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August 17, 2014, 06:19:10 AM |
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what's preventing you to pull a JD and just suddenly stop operations You make it sound like JD did something bad. In other news, it appears that after I block people they can still talk, because blocking is only enforced in their own browser. They also seem to be able to appear like mods themselves, and issue arbitrary text in green, such as appears when people change usernames. All this stuff should be server-side, not client-side! Edit: a picture is worth a thousand words...
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@doog : invest only accounts will come soon to DB Its one of the promised feats Nooooo I like the divest, bet, invest dance! As an investor with strong willpower I discourage this feature XD I assume you will still have a choice, same as with JD. I am with doog here, if I dont get the "invest only" setting soon I have to withdraw in order to restrain myself or probably gamble it all... Well, unless you could maybe give me your willpower +10 ring?
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August 17, 2014, 07:38:59 AM |
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I assume you will still have a choice, same as with JD. I am with doog here, if I dont get the "invest only" setting soon I have to withdraw in order to restrain myself or probably gamble it all... Well, unless you could maybe give me your willpower +10 ring? His point is that he doesn't want *us* to have a choice - then we'll play and lose, and he'll benefit. Get it? Also, the client-side exploits apparently also allow an attacker to impersonate other users. I just saw a 'dooglus' (all lower case) with a crown talking to me... So beware if 'manl' asks for your password in a pm...
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August 17, 2014, 07:43:25 AM |
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I assume you will still have a choice, same as with JD. I am with doog here, if I dont get the "invest only" setting soon I have to withdraw in order to restrain myself or probably gamble it all... Well, unless you could maybe give me your willpower +10 ring? His point is that he doesn't want *us* to have a choice - then we'll play and lose, and he'll benefit. Get it? Also, the client-side exploits apparently also allow an attacker to impersonate other users. I just saw a 'dooglus' (all lower case) with a crown talking to me... So beware if 'manl' asks for your password in a pm... God what kind of person finds these chat exploits.... lol
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August 17, 2014, 10:52:32 AM |
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what's preventing you to pull a JD and just suddenly stop operations You make it sound like JD did something bad. No offense intended, obviously JD did something very right and I do respect your decision to close it down. But speaking in practical terms, a site closing down is not very beneficial for investors and I'm solely speaking in the investors' perspective, so I hope you understand. Btw I'm the guy that won the SwC poker tournament so I'm very grateful for how you & and deb were running things and organising these sorts of fun activities.
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August 17, 2014, 11:07:48 AM |
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dooglus: which dice investment sites do you like the most presently if you don't mind answering? I obv won't hold you liable for anything.
I'm not currently invested in any dice sites. Most recently I invested in dicebitco.in, but they don't offer an "invest only" feature, and I found I was playing too much. At JD it was relatively easy not to play, because it could look like I was cheating (having access to the server seeds). Without that constraint I found it harder to invest without constantly doing the old "divest, gamble, reinvest" dance. If that wasn't an issue, I think dicebitco.in would be my dice site of choice. How do we make sure that the same thing wont happen at DiceBitcoin, i.e. DiceBitcoin owner wont play himself in a different name ?
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August 17, 2014, 11:08:50 AM |
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I assume you will still have a choice, same as with JD. I am with doog here, if I dont get the "invest only" setting soon I have to withdraw in order to restrain myself or probably gamble it all... Well, unless you could maybe give me your willpower +10 ring? His point is that he doesn't want *us* to have a choice - then we'll play and lose, and he'll benefit. Get it? -snip- Whoa! That sneaky bastard. Probably best not to login for a few days...
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Im not really here, its just your imagination.
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August 17, 2014, 11:58:33 AM |
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I assume you will still have a choice, same as with JD. I am with doog here, if I dont get the "invest only" setting soon I have to withdraw in order to restrain myself or probably gamble it all... Well, unless you could maybe give me your willpower +10 ring? His point is that he doesn't want *us* to have a choice - then we'll play and lose, and he'll benefit. Get it? Also, the client-side exploits apparently also allow an attacker to impersonate other users. I just saw a 'dooglus' (all lower case) with a crown talking to me... So beware if 'manl' asks for your password in a pm... God what kind of person finds these chat exploits.... lol It is not surprised to have people exploiting the site and impersonating trusted members, but it is interesting to see a fake dooglus go straight to talk with the real one.
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August 17, 2014, 03:50:13 PM |
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How do we make sure that the same thing wont happen at DiceBitcoin, i.e. DiceBitcoin owner wont play himself in a different name ?
You cannot, exactly like JD. Its the same story as'how we know nakowa was not dooglus?' . You cannot know You just have to trust it. Btw we had some very good bug findings today, thank you again ppl. It goes without saying ofc that you should never ever give your password or any details about your account in chat. For those, we have support tickets. Bugs will be fixed asap (fucking chat, its causing so much trouble :p)
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August 17, 2014, 04:02:55 PM Last edit: August 17, 2014, 04:24:35 PM by dooglus |
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It is not surprised to have people exploiting the site and impersonating trusted members, but it is interesting to see a fake dooglus go straight to talk with the real one. Not just me: (click if the image is broken)
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August 17, 2014, 04:33:28 PM |
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I've seen some discussion about DB running their own bots to artificially inflate bet numbers and get higher on the charts, so I looked at stats over the last week to see how big the average bet is: DB - average BTC per bet: 0.00048317
Sun Aug 10 09:14:48 PDT 2014 profit: -7.46499468 invested: 2,058.85087786 wagered: 2,892.4297 profit: 6.4135 bets: 3,766,398 Sun Aug 17 09:15:06 PDT 2014 profit: -9.12502638 invested: 3,563.99505210 wagered: 6,503.7910 profit: 0.1721 bets: 11,240,610 ---------- ---------- 3,611.3613 7,474,212 ---------- ----------
PRC - average BTC per bet: 0.00044627
Sun Aug 10 09:14:35 PDT 2014 Total Bets:5,024,444 Total Wagered:13,884.30235465 Total Profit:18.35555291 Total Invested:599.19782744 Sun Aug 17 09:14:54 PDT 2014 Total Bets:5,416,633 Total Wagered:14,059.32795257 Total Profit:18.31894234 Total Invested:510.98702115 --------- --------------- 392,189 175.02559792 --------- ---------------
PD - average BTC per bet: 0.00011196
Sun Aug 10 11:14:31 PDT 2014 BTC WAGERED: 408,265.0833 TOTAL BETS: 750,579,613 Sun Aug 17 09:15:35 PDT 2014 BTC WAGERED: 413,316.4439 TOTAL BETS: 795,696,988 ------------ ----------- 5,051.3606 45,117,375 ------------ ----------- Turns out DB has the highest average bet size over the last week of all three dice sites I'm tracking!
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August 17, 2014, 05:03:42 PM |
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I've seen some discussion about DB running their own bots to artificially inflate bet numbers and get higher on the charts, so I looked at stats over the last week to see how big the average bet is: DB - average BTC per bet: 0.00048317
Sun Aug 10 09:14:48 PDT 2014 profit: -7.46499468 invested: 2,058.85087786 wagered: 2,892.4297 profit: 6.4135 bets: 3,766,398 Sun Aug 17 09:15:06 PDT 2014 profit: -9.12502638 invested: 3,563.99505210 wagered: 6,503.7910 profit: 0.1721 bets: 11,240,610 ---------- ---------- 3,611.3613 7,474,212 ---------- ----------
PRC - average BTC per bet: 0.00044627
Sun Aug 10 09:14:35 PDT 2014 Total Bets:5,024,444 Total Wagered:13,884.30235465 Total Profit:18.35555291 Total Invested:599.19782744 Sun Aug 17 09:14:54 PDT 2014 Total Bets:5,416,633 Total Wagered:14,059.32795257 Total Profit:18.31894234 Total Invested:510.98702115 --------- --------------- 392,189 175.02559792 --------- ---------------
PD - average BTC per bet: 0.00011196
Sun Aug 10 11:14:31 PDT 2014 BTC WAGERED: 408,265.0833 TOTAL BETS: 750,579,613 Sun Aug 17 09:15:35 PDT 2014 BTC WAGERED: 413,316.4439 TOTAL BETS: 795,696,988 ------------ ----------- 5,051.3606 45,117,375 ------------ ----------- Turns out DB has the highest average bet size over the last week of all three dice sites I'm tracking! how about 999D ? have u checked it?
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August 17, 2014, 05:19:30 PM |
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how about 999D ? have u checked it?
I took a look once. I doubt it's possible to run a site that is both legit and successful with such a tiny edge. 1% edge is bad enough.
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August 17, 2014, 05:24:17 PM |
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I've seen some discussion about DB running their own bots to artificially inflate bet numbers and get higher on the charts, so I looked at stats over the last week to see how big the average bet is: DB - average BTC per bet: 0.00048317
Sun Aug 10 09:14:48 PDT 2014 profit: -7.46499468 invested: 2,058.85087786 wagered: 2,892.4297 profit: 6.4135 bets: 3,766,398 Sun Aug 17 09:15:06 PDT 2014 profit: -9.12502638 invested: 3,563.99505210 wagered: 6,503.7910 profit: 0.1721 bets: 11,240,610 ---------- ---------- 3,611.3613 7,474,212 ---------- ----------
PRC - average BTC per bet: 0.00044627
Sun Aug 10 09:14:35 PDT 2014 Total Bets:5,024,444 Total Wagered:13,884.30235465 Total Profit:18.35555291 Total Invested:599.19782744 Sun Aug 17 09:14:54 PDT 2014 Total Bets:5,416,633 Total Wagered:14,059.32795257 Total Profit:18.31894234 Total Invested:510.98702115 --------- --------------- 392,189 175.02559792 --------- ---------------
PD - average BTC per bet: 0.00011196
Sun Aug 10 11:14:31 PDT 2014 BTC WAGERED: 408,265.0833 TOTAL BETS: 750,579,613 Sun Aug 17 09:15:35 PDT 2014 BTC WAGERED: 413,316.4439 TOTAL BETS: 795,696,988 ------------ ----------- 5,051.3606 45,117,375 ------------ ----------- Turns out DB has the highest average bet size over the last week of all three dice sites I'm tracking! Dooglus, hates gonna hate. We cant run bots AND have investments as well, quite the contrary. 90% of PDs traffic if not more, its coming from faucets. PRCs max bet is almost 1/10th from ours. People miss the most important part --> INVESTED amount! That, no site can fake it(well, they can IF they dont provide proof of funds, which we do - see 999DICE). So i guess, when others still cant believe how they are keep losing ground day by day, accusing us for inflating the bet numbers(?) could work for them. Good luck with your theories tl;dr Im not surprised at all that we have the highest bet size of all dice sites The target of surpass the 5k BTC+ invested till end of August looks more realistic than ever !
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August 17, 2014, 05:59:50 PM |
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how about 999D ? have u checked it?
I took a look once. I doubt it's possible to run a site that is both legit and successful with such a tiny edge. 1% edge is bad enough. if you may give me an advice, what is the best dice site for both you and me (as newbie gambler) ?
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August 17, 2014, 06:20:00 PM |
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how about 999D ? have u checked it?
I took a look once. I doubt it's possible to run a site that is both legit and successful with such a tiny edge. 1% edge is bad enough. if you may give me an advice, what is the best dice site for both you and me (as newbie gambler) ? You are asking what the best dice site is, in the thread of a specific dice site -_- Not only that, but Dooglus has already answered the question, he likes DiceBitco.in but wishes there was an invest only mode so he does not play.
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August 17, 2014, 06:55:51 PM |
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see dooglus i throw out ideas(98% bad ones 2% good ones) and you make them happen.
average bet per week is a great way to find the bad seeds
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August 18, 2014, 05:47:39 PM |
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Script that deducts commision @ Sundays was run successfully Will post in awhile investor sums as well
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August 18, 2014, 06:19:13 PM |
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Script that deducts commision @ Sundays was run successfully Will post in awhile investor sums as well People often ask in the chat "why are the investor and player profits so different?" or "why are they both negative?" etc. The way it seems to be is that the investor profit only shows investor profits which didn't yet have commission charged. That includes all investors with negative profit, and also those who have new profits this week which they didn't divest yet. If you add the two profit numbers together, you get an amount representing how much investor profit *has* had commission charged (you need to remove the minus sign). So dividing that by 10 we see how much commission the house has taken so far: ---------------------------- ------------ -------- -------- ---------- timestamp investors players sum commission ---------------------------- ------------ -------- -------- ---------- Sat Aug 9 09:45:31 PDT 2014 -1.02023755 0.0676 -0.9526 0.09526 Sat Aug 9 16:45:21 PDT 2014 -11.76352107 10.7138 -1.0497 0.10497 Sat Aug 9 21:52:27 PDT 2014 -24.90444403 23.8547 -1.0497 0.10497 Sun Aug 10 00:05:33 PDT 2014 -8.34426980 7.2945 -1.0497 0.10497 Sun Aug 10 09:14:48 PDT 2014 -7.46499468 6.4135 -1.0514 0.10514 Sun Aug 10 16:34:10 PDT 2014 -2.10331754 1.0519 -1.0514 0.10514 Sun Aug 10 20:46:30 PDT 2014 -11.18470165 8.1202 -3.0645 0.30645 Sun Aug 10 23:11:45 PDT 2014 -3.01033436 -0.0542 -3.0645 0.30645 Mon Aug 11 07:26:20 PDT 2014 -0.84091577 -2.2244 -3.0653 0.30653 Mon Aug 11 10:12:19 PDT 2014 -0.92128851 -2.1469 -3.0681 0.30681 Mon Aug 11 11:11:21 PDT 2014 -1.45793241 -1.6145 -3.0724 0.30724 Mon Aug 11 12:12:09 PDT 2014 -2.81295786 -0.2619 -3.0748 0.30748 Mon Aug 11 13:52:22 PDT 2014 -3.79059272 0.7158 -3.0747 0.30747 Mon Aug 11 16:50:14 PDT 2014 6.03795364 -9.1128 -3.0748 0.30748 Mon Aug 11 17:29:34 PDT 2014 16.37734460 -19.5852 -3.2078 0.32078 Mon Aug 11 18:49:34 PDT 2014 16.51143206 -19.7202 -3.2087 0.32087 Mon Aug 11 20:50:19 PDT 2014 17.23022306 -22.0545 -4.8242 0.48242 Mon Aug 11 22:10:11 PDT 2014 1.63262492 -6.4635 -4.8308 0.48308 Tue Aug 12 10:46:12 PDT 2014 12.78951049 -20.0278 -7.2382 0.72382 Tue Aug 12 11:17:46 PDT 2014 12.38990609 -19.6282 -7.2382 0.72382 Tue Aug 12 11:51:40 PDT 2014 16.38110048 -23.6194 -7.2382 0.72382 Tue Aug 12 12:55:02 PDT 2014 16.41029840 -24.1461 -7.7358 0.77358 Tue Aug 12 15:39:44 PDT 2014 14.41459208 -22.1646 -7.7500 0.77500 Tue Aug 12 22:36:18 PDT 2014 12.19320664 -19.9860 -7.7927 0.77927 Wed Aug 13 20:35:10 PDT 2014 9.33558425 -18.0817 -8.7461 0.87461 Thu Aug 14 09:51:59 PDT 2014 8.35361472 -17.2468 -8.8931 0.88931 Fri Aug 15 00:22:47 PDT 2014 -16.41275632 7.5195 -8.8932 0.88932 Fri Aug 15 08:55:01 PDT 2014 -13.77637795 4.8832 -8.8931 0.88931 Fri Aug 15 18:04:55 PDT 2014 -11.70299980 2.8098 -8.8931 0.88931 Sat Aug 16 10:34:20 PDT 2014 -10.68917099 1.7371 -8.9520 0.89520 Sun Aug 17 09:15:06 PDT 2014 -9.12502638 0.1721 -8.9529 0.89529 Sun Aug 17 23:22:20 PDT 2014 -6.85068663 -4.6562 -11.5068 1.15068 Mon Aug 18 10:20:26 PDT 2014 -3.50361675 -8.0057 -11.5093 1.15093
I think this is how it works, but I could be wrong. If I'm right, it means the site has taken 1.15 BTC commission so far, on 8 BTC of player losses, and investors together have at least 3.5 BTC of losses to recover before becoming due for new commission.
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MRKLYE
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August 18, 2014, 06:21:20 PM |
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Doog knows all about this commission thing and knowing how many BTC need to be lost to the house before it gets paid.. *remembers weeks on JD with no profit*
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