Does God judge the nations?

[noviapriani]

Most faiths refer to some type of individual judgement, be it from the Creator, or some other source.

Not sure how many refer to God also judging the nations.  The Bible does (both Old and New), and I think the Koran does.

Psalm 2 in the Bible refers to this judgement, among other passages.  So does Psalm 9.  Below iit is being applied to the United States.   Romans chapter 1 comes to mind also.

The nations have sunk down in the pit which they have made;" Psalm 9:15a, NASB

I don't know what better commentary there could be on the world right now than this verse. The nations have literally sunk into a pit! Our nation is far from what it was even fifteen years ago in terms of morality.

Television offers scores of channels which have desensitized us to violence and sexual immorality.

Life has been devalued to the point that late-term abortions are performed and it is now acceptable to kill a child while it's being born.

It will not be long and the same devaluation of life that has been placed on the innocent unborn will be applied to the elderly and disabled.

While men and women gorge themselves on Internet pornography, family life has disintegrated to the point that over fifty percent of children live in homes without a father.

Without a moral compass, once righteous, free nations will lose political discernment and fall prey to the power of enemies hell-bent on their subjection or destruction.

Yet, those who dare raise a voice of warning or dissent are marginalized or demonized.

The Bible warns that the pit the nations have dug, they will fall into and this will be the undoing of our society.

There is a moral line, after which a civilization passes, that will cause it to self-destruct. We must realize God's judgment is often poured out silently. He gives a society over to its evil desires and it cannibalizes itself. It sinks down into the pit it has dug.

As the pit is dug deeper, the window of escape narrows until there is no possibility of turning back, in the will of God, consequences begin to march the society and/or the civilization to destruction.

What can we do? We can continue to make our voice heard and resist growing callous to sin. We must stay hot-hearted in our love and devotion to our Lord Jesus and take strong, courageous stands for the truth. We must gather together to pray. And we must pray, and when we have prayed, we must pray and pray more.

The Lord promises:

"…if my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land." 2 Chronicles 7:14 

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[Rigon]

Of course he does. He instructs good christians to destry nations that worship other gods in Deuteronomy.  Go kill the fuckers and take all their shit if they worship anyone else. Aint the god that man fabricated great?

[kuroman]

according to Christianism, Islam, Judaism, God do punish nations, population, group of people and there were many examples cited in each

[HarmonLi]

If god was real, I guess he/she/it would judge the nations that don't adhere to his/her/its respective religion. So I guess the Christian god judges the islamic countries, and vice versa, for example. I thin it's a bad system, because it's based on hate and intolerance.

[elliwilli]

All questions about "Judgement" are odd, if your religions god is so benevolent why would he feel the need to judge? everyone one has at least one redeeming characteristic. and to pass judgement on an entire nation because of the ideologies and thoughts of their leaders is a bit harsh especially if these people have been indoctrinated/brainwashed (Eg North Korea, Nazi Germany)

[noviapriani]

Hmm.   Seeing there were no Christians before the book of Acts, pretty neat trick, eh?Might check again - who is God giving instructions to in that book?

[sana8410]

God (man who pretended to be god) was writing that all who believe in other gods should be put to death...and he was speaking to (writing for) anyone who believed the bible......which we now call christians.

If you believe God actually wrote or inspired this , then you believe your god wants us to kill anyone who doesnt believe in him.   Great and loving/forgiving god that he is.

[noviapriani]

God (man who pretended to be god) was writing that all who believe in other gods should be put to death...and he was speaking to (writing for) anyone who believed the bible......which we now call christians.

If you believe God actually wrote or inspired this , then you believe your god wants us to kill anyone who doesnt believe in him.   Great and loving/forgiving god that he is.

I agree that God gave instructions to destroy some nations.  Who did he give them to?  Simple question.

 By the way, while it is evil to worship anyone other than our Creator, that is not why he gave the instructions to destroy those select nations - else other nations would have been on the list.

[Rigon]

God (man who pretended to be god) was writing that all who believe in other gods should be put to death...and he was speaking to (writing for) anyone who believed the bible......which we now call christians.

If you believe God actually wrote or inspired this , then you believe your god wants us to kill anyone who doesnt believe in him.   Great and loving/forgiving god that he is.

I agree that God gave instructions to destroy some nations.  Who did he give them to?  Simple question.

 By the way, while it is evil to worship anyone other than our Creator, that is not why he gave the instructions to destroy those select nations - else other nations would have been on the list.

Answer 1.  Who gives a shit and what does it matter?  You believe your god instructed people to murder anyone who didnt believe in him.  Thats what is says in black and white in Deuteronomy.  Great god huh? 

Answer 2.  A make believe man cant actually give instructions.

[elliwilli]

God (man who pretended to be god) was writing that all who believe in other gods should be put to death...and he was speaking to (writing for) anyone who believed the bible......which we now call christians.

If you believe God actually wrote or inspired this , then you believe your god wants us to kill anyone who doesnt believe in him.   Great and loving/forgiving god that he is.

I agree that God gave instructions to destroy some nations.  Who did he give them to?  Simple question.

 By the way, while it is evil to worship anyone other than our Creator, that is not why he gave the instructions to destroy those select nations - else other nations would have been on the list.

But if you are given orders to destroy and kill surely that's in Vengeance? Making all gods Vengeful gods, let alone contradicting a load of the 613 commandments...
And now the counterpoint to theism, "If the big bang came from nowhere, where did god come from to create the universe if no universe existed before him?"

[DjPxH]

I think it depends on the god in question (or the supposedly god in question). If they are nice gods they'll most likely only ask their followers to adhere to certain rules or principles. I don't think they'd judge states or nations in general, but rather individual people, according to the things they've done. But then again, there may be 'evil' gods who demand to be the only god.

[noviapriani]

God (man who pretended to be god) was writing that all who believe in other gods should be put to death...and he was speaking to (writing for) anyone who believed the bible......which we now call christians.

If you believe God actually wrote or inspired this , then you believe your god wants us to kill anyone who doesnt believe in him.   Great and loving/forgiving god that he is.

I agree that God gave instructions to destroy some nations.  Who did he give them to?  Simple question.

 By the way, while it is evil to worship anyone other than our Creator, that is not why he gave the instructions to destroy those select nations - else other nations would have been on the list.

Answer 1.  Who gives a shit and what does it matter?  You believe your god instructed people to murder anyone who didnt believe in him.  Thats what is says in black and white in Deuteronomy.  Great god huh? 

Answer 2.  A make believe man cant actually give instructions.

Now, the first answer actual is one of substance.  My point is that you don't really do your homework, so not sure replying to that point is of any value with you.

It is one thing to object - it is another to do with no interest in the facts.

[noviapriani]

God (man who pretended to be god) was writing that all who believe in other gods should be put to death...and he was speaking to (writing for) anyone who believed the bible......which we now call christians.

If you believe God actually wrote or inspired this , then you believe your god wants us to kill anyone who doesnt believe in him.   Great and loving/forgiving god that he is.

I agree that God gave instructions to destroy some nations.  Who did he give them to?  Simple question.

 By the way, while it is evil to worship anyone other than our Creator, that is not why he gave the instructions to destroy those select nations - else other nations would have been on the list.

But if you are given orders to destroy and kill surely that's in Vengeance? Making all gods Vengeful gods, let alone contradicting a load of the 613 commandments...
And now the counterpoint to theism, "If the big bang came from nowhere, where did god come from to create the universe if no universe existed before him?"

But, lets see how far we go - taking the position (for arguement sake) that it is indeed the Creator giving the instructions to eliminate these nations (nations, mind you, involved in great evil according to the text), how is it murder?

[noviapriani]

None of us actually believes that all killing of a human being is murder.  True?  So, what makes this murder?

[elliwilli]

Because taking another humans life is murder...
just because someone is evil does not mean they have to be killed, every civilized country recognizes this and as such have these things called Jails.

[Nik1ab]

Because taking another humans life is murder...
just because someone is evil does not mean they have to be killed, every civilized country recognizes this and as such have these things called Jails.

Yeah because locking them up is so much better than killing them.... /sarcasm

[Rigon]

God (man who pretended to be god) was writing that all who believe in other gods should be put to death...and he was speaking to (writing for) anyone who believed the bible......which we now call christians.

If you believe God actually wrote or inspired this , then you believe your god wants us to kill anyone who doesnt believe in him.   Great and loving/forgiving god that he is.

I agree that God gave instructions to destroy some nations.  Who did he give them to?  Simple question.

 By the way, while it is evil to worship anyone other than our Creator, that is not why he gave the instructions to destroy those select nations - else other nations would have been on the list.

But if you are given orders to destroy and kill surely that's in Vengeance? Making all gods Vengeful gods, let alone contradicting a load of the 613 commandments...
And now the counterpoint to theism, "If the big bang came from nowhere, where did god come from to create the universe if no universe existed before him?"

But, lets see how far we go - taking the position (for arguement sake) that it is indeed the Creator giving the instructions to eliminate these nations (nations, mind you, involved in great evil according to the text), how is it murder?

Deuteronomy was attributed to Moses according to the bible.  Jesus himself says Moses wrote it and that people should believe the words.

 "For if ye believed Moses, ye would believe me; for he wrote of me (See Deut. 18:15-18). But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words? (John 5:46-47).

So jesus is saying that Moses is right in Deuteronomy...and jesus is lord....no???

[Rigon]

How is it murder you ask?

Deuteronomy 13:
 The Lord your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 It is the Lord your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him. 5 That prophet or dreamer must be put to death for inciting rebellion against the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt and redeemed you from the land of slavery. That prophet or dreamer tried to turn you from the way the Lord your God commanded you to follow. You must purge the evil from among you.


Let me ask you , if you stoned someone to death for worshing someone other than your god tomorrow.....would anyone consider that murder you think???

[noviapriani]

God (man who pretended to be god) was writing that all who believe in other gods should be put to death...and he was speaking to (writing for) anyone who believed the bible......which we now call christians.

If you believe God actually wrote or inspired this , then you believe your god wants us to kill anyone who doesnt believe in him.   Great and loving/forgiving god that he is.

I agree that God gave instructions to destroy some nations.  Who did he give them to?  Simple question.

 By the way, while it is evil to worship anyone other than our Creator, that is not why he gave the instructions to destroy those select nations - else other nations would have been on the list.

But if you are given orders to destroy and kill surely that's in Vengeance? Making all gods Vengeful gods, let alone contradicting a load of the 613 commandments...
And now the counterpoint to theism, "If the big bang came from nowhere, where did god come from to create the universe if no universe existed before him?"

But, lets see how far we go - taking the position (for arguement sake) that it is indeed the Creator giving the instructions to eliminate these nations (nations, mind you, involved in great evil according to the text), how is it murder?

Deuteronomy was attributed to Moses according to the bible.  Jesus himself says Moses wrote it and that people should believe the words.

 "For if ye believed Moses, ye would believe me; for he wrote of me (See Deut. 18:15-18). But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words? (John 5:46-47).

So jesus is saying that Moses is right in Deuteronomy...and jesus is lord....no???

Yes, Jesus is right about Moses.  And yes, Moses words are from God.   And therefore.....?

[Rigon]

God (man who pretended to be god) was writing that all who believe in other gods should be put to death...and he was speaking to (writing for) anyone who believed the bible......which we now call christians.

If you believe God actually wrote or inspired this , then you believe your god wants us to kill anyone who doesnt believe in him.   Great and loving/forgiving god that he is.

I agree that God gave instructions to destroy some nations.  Who did he give them to?  Simple question.

 By the way, while it is evil to worship anyone other than our Creator, that is not why he gave the instructions to destroy those select nations - else other nations would have been on the list.

But if you are given orders to destroy and kill surely that's in Vengeance? Making all gods Vengeful gods, let alone contradicting a load of the 613 commandments...
And now the counterpoint to theism, "If the big bang came from nowhere, where did god come from to create the universe if no universe existed before him?"

But, lets see how far we go - taking the position (for arguement sake) that it is indeed the Creator giving the instructions to eliminate these nations (nations, mind you, involved in great evil according to the text), how is it murder?

Deuteronomy was attributed to Moses according to the bible.  Jesus himself says Moses wrote it and that people should believe the words.

 "For if ye believed Moses, ye would believe me; for he wrote of me (See Deut. 18:15-18). But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words? (John 5:46-47).

So jesus is saying that Moses is right in Deuteronomy...and jesus is lord....no???

Yes, Jesus is right about Moses.  And yes, Moses words are from God.   And therefore.....?

......therefore god instructs us to put to death anyone who worships another.   Are you fucking dense or something? Have you been paying any attention at all?  (Rhetorical questions)