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BTC Lottery 390 ends approximately in 18hrs! First place 0.004800 BTC Second place 0.000900 BTC
Third place 0.000300 BTC Total tickets (of all players) 60 Price per ticket 0.000100 BTC
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DarkDays
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July 19, 2019, 04:17:22 PM |
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I am pretty sure that ILoveLTC is going to be the number 1 LTC of all time if he keeps going with these crazy wins.
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July 19, 2019, 05:47:46 PM |
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I am pretty sure that ILoveLTC is going to be the number 1 LTC of all time if he keeps going with these crazy wins.
He already got the top 1 spot and the max reward for this month.
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July 20, 2019, 04:01:38 PM |
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Let's talk about how much this site misrepresents their investments and misleads potential investors: My investment stats: Start amount: 54.8 strat Today Total: 54.88 strat Return: 0.15% Site Profit Chart (Same time period): Start amount: 35133 strat Today Total: 44178 strat Return: 25.75% return I know some of you will comment on the fact that the total amount invested will influence my personal returns, but the total bankroll remains pretty much the same over the majority of that time period. I just think it is a misleading representation and potential investors should be aware of the large difference in reported site returns and actual personal returns. I'm not necessarily saying that they are cheating us, because it was explained to me once and seemed to add up correctly, I'm just saying the representation of potential personal profit is not even close to the actual earned returns. (Pictures included below) My investment: https://snag.gy/o72qOX.jpgSite profit chart: https://snag.gy/gHeSlp.jpgReturn Calculations: https://snag.gy/duw1hr.jpg
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July 20, 2019, 05:53:36 PM |
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Let's talk about how much this site misrepresents their investments and misleads potential investors: My investment stats: Start amount: 54.8 strat Today Total: 54.88 strat Return: 0.15% Site Profit Chart (Same time period): Start amount: 35133 strat Today Total: 44178 strat Return: 25.75% return I know some of you will comment on the fact that the total amount invested will influence my personal returns, but the total bankroll remains pretty much the same over the majority of that time period. I just think it is a misleading representation and potential investors should be aware of the large difference in reported site returns and actual personal returns. I'm not necessarily saying that they are cheating us, because it was explained to me once and seemed to add up correctly, I'm just saying the representation of potential personal profit is not even close to the actual earned returns. (Pictures included below) My investment: https://snag.gy/o72qOX.jpgSite profit chart: https://snag.gy/gHeSlp.jpgReturn Calculations: https://snag.gy/duw1hr.jpgIt's not misleading. you would get the same result as on graph if you would own 100% of bankroll all the time. But bankroll is changing literally every minute.
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thenerdyone314
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July 21, 2019, 01:46:20 AM |
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Let's talk about how much this site misrepresents their investments and misleads potential investors: My investment stats: Start amount: 54.8 strat Today Total: 54.88 strat Return: 0.15% Site Profit Chart (Same time period): Start amount: 35133 strat Today Total: 44178 strat Return: 25.75% return I know some of you will comment on the fact that the total amount invested will influence my personal returns, but the total bankroll remains pretty much the same over the majority of that time period. I just think it is a misleading representation and potential investors should be aware of the large difference in reported site returns and actual personal returns. I'm not necessarily saying that they are cheating us, because it was explained to me once and seemed to add up correctly, I'm just saying the representation of potential personal profit is not even close to the actual earned returns. (Pictures included below) My investment: https://snag.gy/o72qOX.jpgSite profit chart: https://snag.gy/gHeSlp.jpgReturn Calculations: https://snag.gy/duw1hr.jpgIt's not misleading. you would get the same result as on graph if you would own 100% of bankroll all the time. But bankroll is changing literally every minute. If you look at the total bankroll over that time period, other than one initial spike a day or two after the investment start date, it is almost a flat line for the whole time period. You make it sound like it wildly fluctuates like some pump and dump coin value lol
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July 21, 2019, 03:02:08 AM |
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good morning everyone, let's play gambling because playing gambling Crypto-Games can train my patience and big passion to always win
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July 21, 2019, 04:14:00 AM |
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If you look at the total bankroll over that time period, other than one initial spike a day or two after the investment start date, it is almost a flat line for the whole time period. You make it sound like it wildly fluctuates like some pump and dump coin value lol
We discussed this topic here some weeks ago, you can see my messages. Basically their graphs show "profits" before expenses, which I find misleading, they should indicate their that those are not real profits. You should expect to make more of less 70% of what the graphs shows (you must consider that bankroll keeps fluctuating as you were told, you can see the calculations I made in some previous messages in this thread).
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July 21, 2019, 08:22:44 AM Last edit: July 21, 2019, 08:33:36 AM by joter85 |
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If you look at the total bankroll over that time period, other than one initial spike a day or two after the investment start date, it is almost a flat line for the whole time period. You make it sound like it wildly fluctuates like some pump and dump coin value lol
We discussed this topic here some weeks ago, you can see my messages. Basically their graphs show "profits" before expenses, which I find misleading, they should indicate their that those are not real profits. You should expect to make more of less 70% of what the graphs shows (you must consider that bankroll keeps fluctuating as you were told, you can see the calculations I made in some previous messages in this thread). Not really. Graph shows actual profit paid to investors (100%). But total bankroll size is shown wrong on graphs, need to fix that one.
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Timetwister
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July 21, 2019, 01:12:02 PM |
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If you look at the total bankroll over that time period, other than one initial spike a day or two after the investment start date, it is almost a flat line for the whole time period. You make it sound like it wildly fluctuates like some pump and dump coin value lol
We discussed this topic here some weeks ago, you can see my messages. Basically their graphs show "profits" before expenses, which I find misleading, they should indicate their that those are not real profits. You should expect to make more of less 70% of what the graphs shows (you must consider that bankroll keeps fluctuating as you were told, you can see the calculations I made in some previous messages in this thread). Not really. Graph shows actual profit paid to investors (100%). But total bankroll size is shown wrong on graphs, need to fix that one. That's not true, you even confirmed it when we talked about that here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=750760.msg51678418#msg51678418https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=750760.msg51678694#msg51678694
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July 21, 2019, 01:45:27 PM Last edit: July 22, 2019, 08:56:28 AM by joter85 |
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If you look at the total bankroll over that time period, other than one initial spike a day or two after the investment start date, it is almost a flat line for the whole time period. You make it sound like it wildly fluctuates like some pump and dump coin value lol
We discussed this topic here some weeks ago, you can see my messages. Basically their graphs show "profits" before expenses, which I find misleading, they should indicate their that those are not real profits. You should expect to make more of less 70% of what the graphs shows (you must consider that bankroll keeps fluctuating as you were told, you can see the calculations I made in some previous messages in this thread). Not really. Graph shows actual profit paid to investors (100%). But total bankroll size is shown wrong on graphs, need to fix that one. That's not true, you even confirmed it when we talked about that here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=750760.msg51678418#msg51678418https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=750760.msg51678694#msg51678694Then you understood me wrong. Once again, and I hope for the last time: profit on graph is actual profit paid out to investors. It is amount that investors got. EDIT: I found one issue with graph... minesweeper data was not visible, have added that one to graph. So logic is simple: Profit in investment graph is: SUM(amount_dice+amount_slot+amount_blackjack+amount_videopoker+amount_roulette+amount_plinko+amount_mines-expenses) as profit Data is taken from investments_details table, that has data of every single invesment profit paid to investors since the start of investment option on site. Data is grouped by dates, so each calculation that happens between 00:00:00 and 23:59:59 is grouped together. Profit column is actual data that was paid to investors. So if all investors would sum their daily earnings on all of their invesments it would match with graph. Expenses column is sum of referrer and faucet rewards, investors pay 70% and site pays 30% of those expenses (its has already 30% share cut as that happens in investments calculation). amount_dice+amount_slot+amount_blackjack+amount_videopoker+amount_roulette+amount_plinko+amount_mines is profit or loss per game. All data is visible on page: https://www.crypto-games.net/details.aspx?type=investment&id=LONGIDReplace LONGID with your personal longid. Either way I need to optimize this graph as investments_details table has grow big and calculations of graph takes a lot of computing power, and bankroll data is not calculated properly... EDIT2: Ok found one more issue with graph As you can see on investments_details page expenses are always in negative values, so there is a issue with upper formula. It should be: SUM(amount_dice+amount_slot+amount_blackjack+amount_videopoker+amount_roulette+amount_plinko+amount_mines+expenses) as profit Not SUM(amount_dice+amount_slot+amount_blackjack+amount_videopoker+amount_roulette+amount_plinko+amount_mines-expenses) as profit Sorry for that, my bad. But after all investments are calculated correctly, just there were two graph issues that are fixed now. Bankroll size issue on graph will get fixed soon as it requires more changes. EDIT3: Bankroll size issue is resolved too. Now bankroll size won't change for old investments.
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July 21, 2019, 02:54:58 PM |
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Let's talk about how much this site misrepresents their investments and misleads potential investors:
My investment stats: Start amount: 54.8 strat Today Total: 54.88 strat Return: 0.15%
Site Profit Chart (Same time period): Start amount: 35133 strat Today Total: 44178 strat Return: 25.75% return
You still read the graph wrong. Despite the errors that have been fixed over the day, your way of reading the graph will never get you the same percentage, because that is not what the graph is, its not what the graph shows, its not even what the graph is titled. "Total investors profit" means the profit all investors combined made since the beginning of when investments have started. If you want to get an idea of how that calculates for your individual investment, you HAVE TO measure it against the bankroll size, because you get a share of it based on the bankroll size and your investment size. I'm not saying that the chart data is 100% accurate, I'm just saying that it's nowhere near as inaccurate as you wrongly make people believe by ignoring what I have explained to you several times in the past. Read my post regarding this again: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=750760.msg49318312#msg49318312Then do your calculations again, and do them correctly, which would lead you to this: The profit over the time you're looking at is 44178 STRAT-35133 STRAT = 9045 STRAT. Those have to be distributed to all investors based on their shares. All investors combine to 92458 STRAT right now, 9045/92458= 0.0978 STRAT profit per 1 STRAT invested. 0.0978*54.8=5.359 STRAT. You would expect a 9.8% increase for your investment based on the previous chart (including all the errors since fixed by Joter), not a 25% increase.
(Side note: The chart isn't working for me right now, as it's being worked on right now, so I can't verify your numbers. I've used the current bankroll size, I don't know if it was higher in the period you're looking at, nor do I currently know the period you refer to, so I can't check it against my own investment either.)
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July 22, 2019, 01:51:46 AM |
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Then you understood me wrong. Once again, and I hope for the last time: profit on graph is actual profit paid out to investors. It is amount that investors got.
How do you explain this then: I run the same exercise but every month from July 25 2018 to July 2 2019, and I get that returns following your graph would have been 10.19% (bigger than if bankroll had been constant since that date, as I previously thought), while I made only 7.43%: Date Bankroll Profit Capital if bankroll is Constant during the month My investment 07/25/18 1523.63 1133.86 1.0000 1.0000 08/01/18 1549.17 1134.93 1.0007 09/01/18 1526.08 1146.17 1.0080 10/01/18 1527.49 1148.98 1.0098 11/01/18 1515.00 1203.59 1.0459 12/01/18 1447.85 1212.71 1.0522 01/01/19 1486.70 1226.54 1.0623 02/01/19 1496.46 1241.40 1.0729 03/01/19 1476.07 1246.89 1.0768 04/01/19 1440.69 1263.00 1.0886 05/01/19 1385.25 1272.56 1.0958 06/01/19 1382.68 1284.69 1.1054 07/01/19 1285.11 1280.17 1.1018 07/02/19 1285.84 1280.30 1.1019 1.0743 The formula to calculate capital is ((profit at that point in time-previous profit)/previous casino bankroll+1)*previous capital. For example, for 8/1/18: ((1134.93-1133.86)/1523.63+1)*1
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July 22, 2019, 05:57:00 AM |
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Then you understood me wrong. Once again, and I hope for the last time: profit on graph is actual profit paid out to investors. It is amount that investors got.
How do you explain this then: I run the same exercise but every month from July 25 2018 to July 2 2019, and I get that returns following your graph would have been 10.19% (bigger than if bankroll had been constant since that date, as I previously thought), while I made only 7.43%: Date Bankroll Profit Capital if bankroll is Constant during the month My investment 07/25/18 1523.63 1133.86 1.0000 1.0000 08/01/18 1549.17 1134.93 1.0007 09/01/18 1526.08 1146.17 1.0080 10/01/18 1527.49 1148.98 1.0098 11/01/18 1515.00 1203.59 1.0459 12/01/18 1447.85 1212.71 1.0522 01/01/19 1486.70 1226.54 1.0623 02/01/19 1496.46 1241.40 1.0729 03/01/19 1476.07 1246.89 1.0768 04/01/19 1440.69 1263.00 1.0886 05/01/19 1385.25 1272.56 1.0958 06/01/19 1382.68 1284.69 1.1054 07/01/19 1285.11 1280.17 1.1018 07/02/19 1285.84 1280.30 1.1019 1.0743 The formula to calculate capital is ((profit at that point in time-previous profit)/previous casino bankroll+1)*previous capital. For example, for 8/1/18: ((1134.93-1133.86)/1523.63+1)*1 Please read my upper post again and try your calculation again.
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July 23, 2019, 12:52:46 AM |
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ILoveLTC is absolutely hammering it again, 70 LTC won in the space of less than 10 minutes.
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stomachgrowls
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July 23, 2019, 12:48:42 PM |
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ILoveLTC is absolutely hammering it again, 70 LTC won in the space of less than 10 minutes.
Another day for ILoveLTC. BTC Lottery round 391 ends approximately in 18 hrs! First place 0.003200 BTC Second place 0.000600 BTC Third place 0.000200 BTC Total tickets (of all players) 40 Price per ticket 0.000100 BTC
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July 24, 2019, 11:25:33 PM |
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BTC Lottery round 391 ends approximately in 18 hrs! That round has ended but I'll leave it upto you to post results should you wish to. The raining bot has showered at the right time exactly after the price went up! 23:41 * Raining to Paecga129 0.00204821 LTC 23:41 * Raining to Devanalove 0.00060242 LTC 23:41 * Raining to August534 0.00038153 LTC 23:41 * Raining to Smitty337 0.00028113 LTC 23:41 * Raining to Diana 0.00020081 LTC 23:41 * Raining to s0lidus 0.00018072 LTC
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July 25, 2019, 01:45:21 PM |
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If you look at the total bankroll over that time period, other than one initial spike a day or two after the investment start date, it is almost a flat line for the whole time period. You make it sound like it wildly fluctuates like some pump and dump coin value lol
We discussed this topic here some weeks ago, you can see my messages. Basically their graphs show "profits" before expenses, which I find misleading, they should indicate their that those are not real profits. You should expect to make more of less 70% of what the graphs shows (you must consider that bankroll keeps fluctuating as you were told, you can see the calculations I made in some previous messages in this thread). Not really. Graph shows actual profit paid to investors (100%). But total bankroll size is shown wrong on graphs, need to fix that one. That's not true, you even confirmed it when we talked about that here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=750760.msg51678418#msg51678418https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=750760.msg51678694#msg51678694Then you understood me wrong. Once again, and I hope for the last time: profit on graph is actual profit paid out to investors. It is amount that investors got. EDIT: I found one issue with graph... minesweeper data was not visible, have added that one to graph. So logic is simple: Profit in investment graph is: SUM(amount_dice+amount_slot+amount_blackjack+amount_videopoker+amount_roulette+amount_plinko+amount_mines-expenses) as profit Data is taken from investments_details table, that has data of every single invesment profit paid to investors since the start of investment option on site. Data is grouped by dates, so each calculation that happens between 00:00:00 and 23:59:59 is grouped together. Profit column is actual data that was paid to investors. So if all investors would sum their daily earnings on all of their invesments it would match with graph. Expenses column is sum of referrer and faucet rewards, investors pay 70% and site pays 30% of those expenses (its has already 30% share cut as that happens in investments calculation). amount_dice+amount_slot+amount_blackjack+amount_videopoker+amount_roulette+amount_plinko+amount_mines is profit or loss per game. All data is visible on page: https://www.crypto-games.net/details.aspx?type=investment&id=LONGIDReplace LONGID with your personal longid. Either way I need to optimize this graph as investments_details table has grow big and calculations of graph takes a lot of computing power, and bankroll data is not calculated properly... EDIT2: Ok found one more issue with graph As you can see on investments_details page expenses are always in negative values, so there is a issue with upper formula. It should be: SUM(amount_dice+amount_slot+amount_blackjack+amount_videopoker+amount_roulette+amount_plinko+amount_mines+expenses) as profit Not SUM(amount_dice+amount_slot+amount_blackjack+amount_videopoker+amount_roulette+amount_plinko+amount_mines-expenses) as profit Sorry for that, my bad. But after all investments are calculated correctly, just there were two graph issues that are fixed now. Bankroll size issue on graph will get fixed soon as it requires more changes. EDIT3: Bankroll size issue is resolved too. Now bankroll size won't change for old investments. The graphs definitely look better now. I appreciate you fixing them
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July 25, 2019, 06:24:37 PM |
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BTC Lottery round 392 end approximately 1d 13h First place 0.003040 BTC Second place 0.000570 BTC Third place 0.000190 BTC Total tickets (of all players) 38 Price per ticket 0.000100 BTC
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Cent21
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July 25, 2019, 06:59:53 PM |
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I'm so unlucky with ethereum lottery.... A player with about 50% of tickets was able to win all 3 prizes of the last lottery... I play since a lot of weeks but i've never been able to win something interesting, even if almost every time i have atleast 20% of tickets.
Am i missing something about this game or as i think i'm just unlucky?
Thanks
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