The truthToo many words.You can give us a brife version.I think not many people will look through the whole posts.
TDLR: Battbot and Rynomster are trying to whitewash the past, either directly or through allies, proxies and/or sockpuppets such as DevCoder (a newbie account created just a few days ago with the apparent goal of attacking any perceived threats to SDC:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=367991).
They're claiming that they left Cinnicoin in good faith with no obligation to deliver anon tech (that later showed up in rynomster's new Shadowcoin project). The truth is that before they left CINNI they spent weeks hyping development of this anon tech to the CINNI community. Basically, they misled the community into thinking they were developing unique anon tech for CINNI -- 100% decentralised, trustless -- while likely dumping their CINNI portfolios (every attempt the coin made at a rally was dumped on) before both suddenly departed around the same time for "personal"/"family" reasons. Weeks later, the tech turns up in rynomster's new coin Shadowcoin.
Don't care about that anymore, but I do care that battbot (and to a lesser extent rynomster either directly or through his proxies) are trying to whitewash this history. I think anyone who deals with these guys going forward should be informed about this history - and in their own words.
Hope that was brief enough. See CINNI thread for more sordid details:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=573232.5260It's all there - err, until they delete it, but they cant delete copies and "Re:" responses to those posts and references to their usernames by others.
Others can come to their own judgements about their character after reading their words - before and since their departures from CINNI, including their current round of attempted (and utterly failed) whitewashing.
Battbot and rynomster in their own words (no "opinions" or "interpretations" or "editorialising"). Straight from the horses mouths.
This isn't "FUD" or "SPAM" - it's the history you might want to know about these devs to be better informed buyers.
June 1:Announcement!
As promised, the encrypted messaging update will be released within ten to fourteen days. Included in this release is a one of a kind robust encrypted messaging system that is a first in crypto-currency. This system is a framework or protocol within the wallet that allows applications to be built upon it as needed by users. The release will have applications already built upon this framework, these applications will position CINNI as the leading crypto-currency in point of sale systems for both eCommerce and brick and mortar stores. (screen shots of the updated GUI will be available this week)
Included in this release are essential tools to conduct secure encrypted point of sale commerce and are all a first in crypto currency:
1) Encrypted messaging system in client with wallet to wallet messaging platform.
2) Encrypted order form sent wallet to wallet.
3) Encrypted invoice generation sent wallet to wallet.
4) Encrypted receipt delivery sent wallet to wallet.
Future release...est 3-6 weeks.
1) Combined wallet for both BTC and CINNI with multiple currency exchange rate support. (this will be the first ever in crypto-currency and will assist point of sale)
2) In wallet chat room.
Future release...est 4-14 weeks. (With this release we will become the best option in crypto-currency as a point of sale solution)
1) A second wallet designed as a "retail wallet" in addition to the "consumer wallet". This wallet is designed specifically for retail eCommerce businesses and is built on the encrypted messaging platform. (this will be the first "retail wallet" ever in crypto-currency and will lead to rapid merchant adoption of CINNI as a form of payment.)
2) Inventory management system for tracking supply in wallet client.
3) SKU number assignment with SKU pricing in wallet client.
4) Full receivables and reporting features in wallet client.
5) QR code generation in wallet client.
6) Export option into accounting software (i.e. Quickbooks, ect.)
Future release...est 12-18 weeks. (This will be an update on the routing of encrypted messages)
1) Optional anonymity features for "consumer wallet". This would allow for anonymity or (dark) send features similar to DRK coin or XC coin system.
2) Optional anonymization of data and messages. This system will use "messagenodes" combined with "masternodes" in the dark send feature. The "messagenodes" and "masternodes" will be paid in transaction fees and will be required to provide "proof of stake" by holding CINNI in wallets developing coin age (more details will follow).
Darkcoin and XC coin only anonymize half of the transaction (the actual transfer of payment). The communication between buyer and seller is left wide open and can be intercepted by a third party. There are ways to mitigate the communication risk however the communication risk to anonymity remains more significant than the payment risk to anonymity. The system being developed at CINNI will use the encrypted messaging system to allow CINNI to become the first ever completely anonymous transaction system.
June 5:These people selling are stupid
As one who is directly involved with the coders + development of the upcoming wallet -- yes, people selling now will be very sad, very soon.
To anyone buying this...kudos, but I hope you know that cinnicoin is releasing a Wallet this weekend with anon encrypted messaging plus anon transfers, and it will be NON beta
June 7:Hey guys, just a correction to a statement I made earlier -- the new wallet releasing soon will only have anonymous encrypted messaging / invoicing etc features, as reported in the announcement below. I received a report from the coders today but mistakingly read that anon transfers would be in this release. Although anon transfers are currently in development, it will come at a later wallet update. I apologize for the confusion (I am still traveling across the United States so It's been hard to stay well connected this past week. My travels end tomorrow.)
With that being said, expect more info on the upcoming wallet release very soon!
Is there any announcement today?
There was announcement that all going as planned, and new wallet will be released this week.
Cinni's EM feature will be anonymous as well as the transactions (but anon transfers will be added in a second update soon to follow).
I just spoke to the coders and I should be able to update everyone sometime today with a fairly accurate release date for the wallet with anon encrypted messaging. Also, I have asked the coders to provide me with a whitepaper as well as a screen-capture video that demos & explains the anon EM feature (these will be posted prior to release).
Edit** Whitepaper and Video should be finished and posted here by this evening (EST)
It is 100% new code. Also, it will not face any of the bloat issues that VRC is currently dealing with. VRC crashed after ~1000 messages were sent in a period of a few minutes. We have tested successfully multiple times of near 2000 messages on our system sent within a 20 second period -- and no issues whatsoever. But it should also be noted that our EM system is uniquely different from VRC (which only sends money transfers via SMS, unless I am mistaken). Cinni's anon Encrypted Messaging system will revolution the way wallets are used.
Greater detail will be provided today with the WP and demo video of the method we use for EM and how it works.
There is currently no other coin (to my knowledge) that has a working encrypted messaging feature built into the wallet. So, Cinni would be the first. Also, yes, the EM feature will be anonymous as well as the transactions (but anon transfers will be added in a second update soon to follow).
I just spoke to the coders and I should be able to update everyone sometime today with a fairly accurate release date for the wallet with anon encrypted messaging. Also, I have asked the coders to provide me with a whitepaper as well as a screen-capture video that demos & explains the anon EM feature (these will be posted prior to release).
Edit** Whitepaper and Video should be finished and posted here by this evening (EST)
June 10:***UPDATE***
Anon Encrypted Messaging
EM White-paper: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10793660/wp.pdfEM Wallet Demo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTjp6e7RDZo(another video will be uploaded likely tomorrow going in greater detail)
Target Release Date: Thursday, June 12th
***Sneak-peak Update***
(posted earlier today)
Here is a
basic breakdown of how Cinni's anon Encrypted Messaging feature will work (An in-depth explanation will be provided later tonight with release of the white paper):
Cinnicoin Encrypted Messaging Details:
Basic Method: - The Elliptic Curve Diffie-Hellman (ECDH) key exchange method is used to share a secret key between the sender and receiver.
- The sender generates the secret key using a newly generated random private key and the recipient's public key.
- The payload is encrypted using AES-256-CBC with the first 32 bytes of the SHA512 hash of the secret key.
- If not sending anonymously the sender's address and compact signature are included in the payload.
- The encrypted payload and the public key of the newly generated keypair are sent to the recipient. The recipient generates the same secret key with their private key that matches the public key used by the sender and the public key included in the message.
- The payload is decrypted using the hashed secret key.
- The encrypted messages are stored on the filesytem in buckets by time and distributed to all nodes.
- It is not possible to tell the sender or receiver of the message from the encrypted message without having the private key of the recipient. [1]
- The messages are stored for 48 hours and are then deleted.
- Each node checks every message received from the network against all the addresses it owns. If a match is found a copy of the encrypted message is stored in the node's inbox database.
Additional Features: - When not sending anonymously the sender's compact signature not only verifies that the message came from the owner of the address, but also enables the public key to be recovered allowing the recipient to reply even if the sender's address has no public key in the blockchain.
- Incoming transaction blocks are scanned for public keys.
(Again, this is just a basic explanation of what is already implemented in the wallet to be released this week. A screen-cap video that demos & explains Cinni's EM feature will be released shortly alongside the WP)
Anonymous Transfer White-paper
(100% true anonymity)
Here is a link to the promised white-paper for anon transfers (which will be uniquely built upon Cinni's EM platform - this method will offer
100% true anonymity, currently not offered in either DRK or XC):
https://www.mediafire.com/?49w5yo2cy7my4xr(This feature is already in active development. More details to be revealed soon)
Encrypted Messaging Wallets:
Here is the long awaited EM client. There will be a release to follow, which will include the invoicing, receipts, as well as various minor fixes.
Download and enjoy your new encrypted messages.
Windows
Linux
EM White-paper: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10793660/wp.pdf
EM Wallet Demos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTjp6e7RDZo & https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGpxCcAWz4o&feature=youtu.be
***Announcement***
(posted earlier today)
Update: EM wallets will be released within the next 1-2 hours. For this release -- only Windows and Linux wallets will be compiled, and we will work on getting MAC wallet ASAP
(Originally this info was to be announced with the wallet updates, but I am making this announcement now because I have a meeting in 10 minutes and will not be around when we release the wallet).Active Development:Our Encrypted Messaging system will be the framework by which all future development will be built upon. Here is a list of active development that will be built upon the EM platform:
• Mobile wallets that fully support all features which are built into the desktop/PC wallets.
• A combined Cinni/BTC wallet & Point of sale retailer system [1]
• Anonymous Transfer System (will offer unprecedented 100% true anonymity uniquely built upon the EM platform) [2]
Notes* 1. The idea behind the point of sale system and the combined Cinni/BTC wallet is that many retailers are accepting BTC but very few are accepting any alts. Our goal is to make a point of sale system designed toward retailers that want to accept BTC. We will offer this system for free, and bundle Cinni with it. This way, Cinni can have a door into retailers.
2. Because of Cinni’s unique EM platform, our method for Cinni’s anonymous transfer system, which will be built upon the EM platform, will offer unprecedented 100% true anonymity. This is currently not something that even DRK or XC can offer. We will release a white-paper with in-depth details on our method tonight sometime after the wallets are released.
(Greater details on everything here will be provided soon)My hope is that people understand the significance of the 100% true anon transfer feature that we are actively developing on the EM platform just released today. 100% true anonymity is something speculated to NOT be developed until 2015 or later. This is a BIG DEAL.
June 13:
Evan of DRK recently said that, and I count him a pretty sound voice on anon tech. Also, Cinni's ETA is less than 1 month until release of it's anon transfers (as I stated earlier).
June 13:Both Monero and Cryptonote are not 100% anonymous -- transactions can still be traced (with some effort) in the blockchain. Cinni's anon transfer does not operate on the blockchain, but outside of it. Please read the whitepaper before you are making these statements -- everything is explained there in some detail.
June 13:This is not correct. ALL anon coins in existence right now do NOT offer 100% truly anonymous solutions. Evan from DRK and Dan of XC will and have admitted to this. Cinni's proposed method built uniquely upon the EM platform will be 100% truly anonymous (see whitepaper). And yes, our ETA is ~ a few weeks.
June 13:My hope is that people understand the significance of the 100% true anon transfer feature that we are actively developing on the EM platform just released today. 100% true anonymity is something speculated to NOT be developed until 2015 or later. This is a BIG DEAL.
Disagree, zerocash ETA is in 3-6 months.
Our ETA is less than 1 month away. We will have this out in a few weeks, or sooner.
Dumping doesn't matter, IMO. EM Invoice / receipts are being released this weekend. And 100% true anon transfers will be released in 2-3 weeks.
But it would probably help the buy support more if I told everyone that we are currently working on a feature that cures cancer.
June 14
Hehe the problems is us Devs are doing what us Devs do
we are developing.
I think our main focus right now is having a solid solution, then we can market it hard
We need lots of help from the community, and we are grateful to have such a good community.
After our next wallet release (scheduled for tomorrow evening), which will include a ton of bug fixes and new features, we will be focusing on anonymous transactions.
It would be great if someone in the community could make a promo video
The community is doing loads of work as it stands. This project is almost entirely community driven.
Logos, websites, cinnichain, and almost everything surrounding this coin has come from the community, which in turn are the investors too.
There is more than just investing bitcoin into CINNI on an exchange, yes buying CINNI is investing, but investing time into it is our way of investing, as we don't have the funds to go and buy CINNI, so we have to strengthen the CINNI that we do have
Anonymous Transfer
Up next will be Cinni's anon transfers which will be uniquely built upon Cinni's EM platform.
Our method will use CINNI's Encrypted Messaging system and onion routing (similar to TOR) in combination with “reserve relay nodes," to enable
completely anonymous transfers/payments within the blockchain system. This method will offer
100% true anonymity. See white-paper:
https://www.mediafire.com/?49w5yo2cy7my4xrwell it is opensource, and I am a dev on the team, but cinnidev is still my superior I guess.
I think Cinnidev would probably be the best person to talk to, as I am actively involved in about 4 projects at any given time for the past few years.
Cinnidev really loves his coin, enough to have gotten me on board as well, so he is definitely the guy to talk to
CinniCoin is the only coin I've worked on, and the only coin I probably will work on
I have a good feelingabout tthis coin. Sooner or later it will pop. Dont forget drk was at 4 btc volume a day before the rise . I'll be losing at around $25000 + if cinni devs don't deliver but I think this coin is great. I also like how the devs don't release announments just for the sake of making the price go up. Very respectful and honorable to their commitment in making an anonymous transfer coin.
The current price will hover around this level for another 2 weeks or so, maybe hitting a bottom of 4500... as intended then we will see some sparks flying. I don't think we will get any dev updates for about 2 weeks. So good buying time.
2 weeks?
Maybe less. I guess the devs are playing a smart game not giving any release date. Perhaps this comes tomorrow, by the end of the week, or in more than two. We just don't know anything...
Here's a msg from Rynomster last week:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=573232.msg7552014#msg7552014
There is loads of calculations that need to be done, and we are trying to get beyond the point of obfuscation.
It's really easy in theory, but in reality you don't know how its going to work out, and who is going to be online by the time the transactions are created.
With a 15s blocktime it is really difficult in a p2p network, as you never know who you will be communicating with.
Its a really mind blowing concept, and a real challenge, which is why we are taking our time to finalize the actual concept in the R&D phase.From there onwards its going to be a quick and easy implementation.[/i]
bye bye cinni....
Rynomster is on IRC. I'm talking with him, the dev team is absolutely not running away.
Just a tiny update for us loyal investors?
It's hard, i cannot say much, but it definitely seems like everything is fine regarding CINNI's development. If anyone still feels scared of dev is gone fud, just go on IRC to calme down, like that you'll see that everything is alright.
##Cinnicoin
I'm sure that Cinnicoin will make an update soon.
Investors need to know when will be any update? Why Rynomster has not written anything here?
I PM'd him for an update, and he sent back a very friendly note, the same day, saying he'd been away, was now back and would get caught up before writing back with an update. That was about 5 days ago and I havent yet heard back.
July 6:
Investors need to know when will be any update? Why Rynomster has not written anything here?
He was on IRC, but i guess he didn't want to post since it was 1st, no time to worry, 2nd if Cinnicoin had ran away he would had been as shocked as us obviously. He actually told me that posting something just for the sake of calming would be lying.
See how much morality do our devs have guys
It was yesterday on IRC.
Rynomster also told me he asked Cinnicoin some time for himself due to personal issues. But he was definitely still holding Cinni and paying interest to the coin!
Anyone with an interest in making a clean exit from the coin at a better price would say that, including that "marketing" guy who was hyperbullish on CINNI... before he left.
July 8:Hi everyone,
As you may or may not have noticed, I have been fairly inactive lately -- my apologies for this. There is really no easy way to say this, however, due to life circumstances, I am no longer able to act as community manager for CinniCoin (please remember that I was only a volunteer and not part of the original dev team). CinniCoin (dev) is still working on projects for this coin. However, I am no longer able to devote my time and energy to it.
If the community has or does find a replacement, I will be glad to hand over the twitter account. Just send me a PM.
Thanks, and I wish CinniCoin all the best.
And that's before saying anything about the bug issue.
