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[LongAndShort]

Wow you have really sprung a leak. But other then that, thanks for making you own thread..I hope you get all this resolved so you can go back to maybe spending your time on something productive.

[Pipi]

Too many words.You can give us a brife version.I think not many people will look through the whole posts.

[smokim87]

Effort has put into this thread and that chart with both battbot and ryonmonster's posts as prices change sums up alot. Interesting to see battbot suddenly have "in life circumstances" when prices hit rock bottom.

Haven't seen a shred of your own opinion thus this isn't fud or trolling. A nice summary of events and facts posted by these guys.

[DevCoder]

Cinnicoin Trolls -  stop the smear campaign  

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=700087.msg8142514#msg8142514

"I was not the original developer of CinniCoin, I just built the encrypted messaging system. My team and I decided to create the ShadowCoin project so we would have the freedom to implement our innovations as we saw best."

-rynomster


Situations change as time passes. It's pretty clear to almost everyone that Rynomster was not in control of the development path at CINNI because he was not the original dev. He probably had ideas not in line with the CINNI dev so he made his own coin....there is no problem with that.

It is time you give the man the respect he deserves. The ShadowCoin EM and Stealth projects are open source, you can check for yourself that the code is original. Use the ShadowCoin EM and stealth system, or the full feature staking android and iOS wallets, you will see they work flawlessly. Time for you trolls to respect a real developer and stop this smear campaign.



The OP is being dishonest in the way he constructed this "history". The OP is attempting to implicate rynomster by using quotes from battbot.

You have constructed the OP in attempt to implicate rynomster using quotes from battbot. This is called a guilt by association fallacy. You include rynomster in an undesirable list of quotes made by other people in attempt to implicate him. This is by definition, intellectual dishonesty.

You included rynomster in an undesirable list of quotes made by other people in attempt to slander him.

List the dishonest quotes from rynomster or stop attacking his character.

You clearly dont care at all about honesty or you would not play these games. Im sure this will be abundantly clear to anyone reading these posts.

^ Read here, the OP is a proven lier and slanderous with no cause.

[DevCoder]

Hello,

For those who remember, I was a former volunteer dev / proj mgr / comm mgr for Cinni.  Please allow me to clear the FUD on rynomster's name (as this was brought to my attention by trolls posting in XC's thread).

Rynomster came to help Cinni with it's encrypted messaging system (per a bounty).  After this work was finished, he himself decided to not continue on with Cinni (for his own reasons, which frankly should not matter).  His contribution towards the Cinni project started on good terms, and he left Cinni project on good terms -- as far as the dev team was concerned.  

As for the issue related to Cinni PoS, I can verify that rynomster did indeed email fixes to the PoS code to cinnidev.  And to my knowledge, cinnidev committed them (however, if cinnidev truly committed them will need to be verified by cinnidev / rynomster).  Now, whether or not rynomsters fixes corrected absolutely every issue with Cinni's PoS, I cannot answer -- but I do know that rynomster emailed fixes on the PoS code.

Nevertheless -- why are we attacking rynomster?  If you are going to call him a liar, then you will have to call both myself and cinnidev liars.  But let me ask you -- who else would know the facts better than the dev team?  Cinnidev likewise can and should confirm everything that I have said.  Anyone who says anything contrary to the facts that I have just stated is a liar, or is ignorant to what actually happened.

Again, rynomster was offered a bounty to build encrypted messaging for Cinni -- this he did in a successful and timely manner.  Once this work was completed, he was by no means obligated to continue developing for Cinni.  Even Cinni's PoS issue he was not obligated to look at or fix, but he was kind enough to.  Please refrain from attacking him, his character, or his new coin.  


battbot

THE DEV OF CINNICOIN CONFIRMED THIS POST IS ACCURATE.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=573232.msg8513205#msg8513205

[sdersdf2]

Too many words.You can give us a brife version.I think not many people will look through the whole posts.

TDLR: Battbot and Rynomster are trying to whitewash the past.

They're claiming that they left Cinnicoin in good faith with no obligation to deliver anon tech (that later showed up in rynomster's new Shadowcoin project). The truth is that before they left CINNI they spent weeks hyping development of this anon tech to the CINNI community. Basically, they misled the community into thinking they were developing unique anon tech for CINNI -- 100% decentralised, trustless -- while likely dumping their CINNI portfolios (every attempt the coin made at a rally was dumped on) before both suddenly departed around the same time for "personal"/"family" reasons. Weeks later, the tech turns up in rynomster's new coin Shadowcoin.

Don't care about that anymore, but I do care that battbot (and to a lesser extent rynomster either directly or through his proxies) are trying to whitewash this history. I think anyone who deals with these guys going forward should be informed about this history - and in their own words.

Hope that was brief enough. See CINNI thread for more sordid details:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=573232.5260
It's all there - err, until they delete it, but they cant delete copies and "Re:" responses to those posts and references to their usernames by others.

Others can come to their own judgements about their character after reading their words - before and since their departures from CINNI, including their current round of attempted (and utterly failed) whitewashing.

[St3baS]

Rynomster is a legit and trustworthy dev. If he says something, it is to the best of his knowledge at the time he says it.

[DevCoder]

Too many words.You can give us a brife version.I think not many people will look through the whole posts.

TDLR: Battbot and Rynomster are trying to whitewash the past.

They're claiming that they left Cinnicoin in good faith with no obligation to deliver anon tech (that later showed up in rynomster's new Shadowcoin project). The truth is that before they left CINNI they spent weeks hyping development of this anon tech to the CINNI community. Basically, they misled the community into thinking they were developing unique anon tech for CINNI -- 100% decentralised, trustless -- while likely dumping their CINNI portfolios (every attempt the coin made at a rally was dumped on) before both suddenly departed around the same time for "personal"/"family" reasons. Weeks later, the tech turns up in rynomster's new coin Shadowcoin.

Don't care about that anymore, but I do care that battbot (and to a lesser extent rynomster either directly or through his proxies) are trying to whitewash this history. I think anyone who deals with these guys going forward should be informed about this history - and in their own words.

Hope that was brief enough. See CINNI thread for more sordid details:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=573232.5260
It's all there - err, until they delete it, but they cant delete copies and "Re:" responses to those posts and references to their usernames by others.

Others can come to their own judgements about their character after reading their words - before and since their departures from CINNI, including their current round of attempted (and utterly failed) whitewashing.

Ridiculous nonsense -

I was an investor in CINNI at the time. The anon tech proposal was a node based system with onion routing (check the white paper). SDC has a stealth address system....nothing even close to similar. At least try to figure out what you are talking about before you make an idiot of yourself.

As posted in CINNI thread, UTClover had 1/2 the coins of CINNI. He sold them off and EVERYONE else lost money.

[sdersdf2]

Hello,

For those who remember, I was a former volunteer dev / proj mgr / comm mgr for Cinni.  Please allow me to clear the FUD on rynomster's name (as this was brought to my attention by trolls posting in XC's thread).

Rynomster came to help Cinni with it's encrypted messaging system (per a bounty).  After this work was finished, he himself decided to not continue on with Cinni (for his own reasons, which frankly should not matter).  His contribution towards the Cinni project started on good terms, and he left Cinni project on good terms -- as far as the dev team was concerned.  

As for the issue related to Cinni PoS, I can verify that rynomster did indeed email fixes to the PoS code to cinnidev.  And to my knowledge, cinnidev committed them (however, if cinnidev truly committed them will need to be verified by cinnidev / rynomster).  Now, whether or not rynomsters fixes corrected absolutely every issue with Cinni's PoS, I cannot answer -- but I do know that rynomster emailed fixes on the PoS code.

Nevertheless -- why are we attacking rynomster?  If you are going to call him a liar, then you will have to call both myself and cinnidev liars.  But let me ask you -- who else would know the facts better than the dev team?  Cinnidev likewise can and should confirm everything that I have said.  Anyone who says anything contrary to the facts that I have just stated is a liar, or is ignorant to what actually happened.

Again, rynomster was offered a bounty to build encrypted messaging for Cinni -- this he did in a successful and timely manner.  Once this work was completed, he was by no means obligated to continue developing for Cinni.  Even Cinni's PoS issue he was not obligated to look at or fix, but he was kind enough to.  Please refrain from attacking him, his character, or his new coin.  


battbot

THE DEV OF CINNICOIN CONFIRMED THIS POST.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=573232.msg8513205#msg8513205

Who cares what CINNIcoin dev says - he is a passive, non-existent, non-dev "dev" who seems to have decided to allow CINNI to die, whatever his reasons. Don't care about him or give any weight to his words.

My post is a direct copy of battbot and rynomster's own words with a clear chronology. For all I know, Cinnicoin is in bed with these guys, figuratively speaking.

[DevCoder]

Hello,

For those who remember, I was a former volunteer dev / proj mgr / comm mgr for Cinni.  Please allow me to clear the FUD on rynomster's name (as this was brought to my attention by trolls posting in XC's thread).

Rynomster came to help Cinni with it's encrypted messaging system (per a bounty).  After this work was finished, he himself decided to not continue on with Cinni (for his own reasons, which frankly should not matter).  His contribution towards the Cinni project started on good terms, and he left Cinni project on good terms -- as far as the dev team was concerned.  

As for the issue related to Cinni PoS, I can verify that rynomster did indeed email fixes to the PoS code to cinnidev.  And to my knowledge, cinnidev committed them (however, if cinnidev truly committed them will need to be verified by cinnidev / rynomster).  Now, whether or not rynomsters fixes corrected absolutely every issue with Cinni's PoS, I cannot answer -- but I do know that rynomster emailed fixes on the PoS code.

Nevertheless -- why are we attacking rynomster?  If you are going to call him a liar, then you will have to call both myself and cinnidev liars.  But let me ask you -- who else would know the facts better than the dev team?  Cinnidev likewise can and should confirm everything that I have said.  Anyone who says anything contrary to the facts that I have just stated is a liar, or is ignorant to what actually happened.

Again, rynomster was offered a bounty to build encrypted messaging for Cinni -- this he did in a successful and timely manner.  Once this work was completed, he was by no means obligated to continue developing for Cinni.  Even Cinni's PoS issue he was not obligated to look at or fix, but he was kind enough to.  Please refrain from attacking him, his character, or his new coin.  


battbot

THE DEV OF CINNICOIN CONFIRMED THIS POST.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=573232.msg8513205#msg8513205

Who cares what CINNIcoin dev says - he is a passive, non-existent, non-dev "dev" who seems to have decided to allow CINNI to die, whatever his reasons. Don't care about him or give any weight to his words.

My post is a direct copy of battbot and rynomster's own words with a clear chronology. For all I know, Cinnicoin is in bed with these guys, figuratively speaking.

When you get out of diapers you will realize the world is a little more complex than you see it now. Situations change with time.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=700087.msg8142514#msg8142514

"I was not the original developer of CinniCoin, I just built the encrypted messaging system. My team and I decided to create the ShadowCoin project so we would have the freedom to implement our innovations as we saw best."

-rynomster

[sdersdf2]

Hello,

For those who remember, I was a former volunteer dev / proj mgr / comm mgr for Cinni.  Please allow me to clear the FUD on rynomster's name (as this was brought to my attention by trolls posting in XC's thread).

Rynomster came to help Cinni with it's encrypted messaging system (per a bounty).  After this work was finished, he himself decided to not continue on with Cinni (for his own reasons, which frankly should not matter).  His contribution towards the Cinni project started on good terms, and he left Cinni project on good terms -- as far as the dev team was concerned.  

As for the issue related to Cinni PoS, I can verify that rynomster did indeed email fixes to the PoS code to cinnidev.  And to my knowledge, cinnidev committed them (however, if cinnidev truly committed them will need to be verified by cinnidev / rynomster).  Now, whether or not rynomsters fixes corrected absolutely every issue with Cinni's PoS, I cannot answer -- but I do know that rynomster emailed fixes on the PoS code.

Nevertheless -- why are we attacking rynomster?  If you are going to call him a liar, then you will have to call both myself and cinnidev liars.  But let me ask you -- who else would know the facts better than the dev team?  Cinnidev likewise can and should confirm everything that I have said.  Anyone who says anything contrary to the facts that I have just stated is a liar, or is ignorant to what actually happened.

Again, rynomster was offered a bounty to build encrypted messaging for Cinni -- this he did in a successful and timely manner.  Once this work was completed, he was by no means obligated to continue developing for Cinni.  Even Cinni's PoS issue he was not obligated to look at or fix, but he was kind enough to.  Please refrain from attacking him, his character, or his new coin.  


battbot

THE DEV OF CINNICOIN CONFIRMED THIS POST.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=573232.msg8513205#msg8513205

Who cares what CINNIcoin dev says - he is a passive, non-existent, non-dev "dev" who seems to have decided to allow CINNI to die, whatever his reasons. Don't care about him or give any weight to his words.

My post is a direct copy of battbot and rynomster's own words with a clear chronology. For all I know, Cinnicoin is in bed with these guys, figuratively speaking.

When you get out of diapers you will realize the world is a little more complex than you see it now. Situations change with time.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=700087.msg8142514#msg8142514

"I was not the original developer of CinniCoin, I just built the encrypted messaging system. My team and I decided to create the ShadowCoin project so we would have the freedom to implement our innovations as we saw best."

-rynomster

I leave it to readers to read what these two had to say and when in their own words, as it happened. I'm not interested in what battbot and rynomster have to say now to try to make themselves look better and protect their new or future investments. I'm just documenting the history while they, their proxies and guys like you try to whitewash it.

Unlike you, I don't have to insult anyone - I can simply let readers come to their own judgements and visit the links if they like.

Who the heck was getting in the way of rynomster's "freedom" to innovate? That's the real nonsense - retroactive whitewashing.

[DevCoder]

Hello,

For those who remember, I was a former volunteer dev / proj mgr / comm mgr for Cinni.  Please allow me to clear the FUD on rynomster's name (as this was brought to my attention by trolls posting in XC's thread).

Rynomster came to help Cinni with it's encrypted messaging system (per a bounty).  After this work was finished, he himself decided to not continue on with Cinni (for his own reasons, which frankly should not matter).  His contribution towards the Cinni project started on good terms, and he left Cinni project on good terms -- as far as the dev team was concerned.  

As for the issue related to Cinni PoS, I can verify that rynomster did indeed email fixes to the PoS code to cinnidev.  And to my knowledge, cinnidev committed them (however, if cinnidev truly committed them will need to be verified by cinnidev / rynomster).  Now, whether or not rynomsters fixes corrected absolutely every issue with Cinni's PoS, I cannot answer -- but I do know that rynomster emailed fixes on the PoS code.

Nevertheless -- why are we attacking rynomster?  If you are going to call him a liar, then you will have to call both myself and cinnidev liars.  But let me ask you -- who else would know the facts better than the dev team?  Cinnidev likewise can and should confirm everything that I have said.  Anyone who says anything contrary to the facts that I have just stated is a liar, or is ignorant to what actually happened.

Again, rynomster was offered a bounty to build encrypted messaging for Cinni -- this he did in a successful and timely manner.  Once this work was completed, he was by no means obligated to continue developing for Cinni.  Even Cinni's PoS issue he was not obligated to look at or fix, but he was kind enough to.  Please refrain from attacking him, his character, or his new coin.  


battbot

THE DEV OF CINNICOIN CONFIRMED THIS POST.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=573232.msg8513205#msg8513205

Who cares what CINNIcoin dev says - he is a passive, non-existent, non-dev "dev" who seems to have decided to allow CINNI to die, whatever his reasons. Don't care about him or give any weight to his words.

My post is a direct copy of battbot and rynomster's own words with a clear chronology. For all I know, Cinnicoin is in bed with these guys, figuratively speaking.

When you get out of diapers you will realize the world is a little more complex than you see it now. Situations change with time.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=700087.msg8142514#msg8142514

"I was not the original developer of CinniCoin, I just built the encrypted messaging system. My team and I decided to create the ShadowCoin project so we would have the freedom to implement our innovations as we saw best."

-rynomster

I leave it to readers to read what these two had to say and when in their own words, as it happened. I'm not interested in what battbot and rynomster have to say now to try to make themselves look better and protect their new or future investments. I'm just documenting the history while they, their proxies and guys like you try to whitewash it.

Unlike you, I don't have to insult anyone - I can simply let readers come to their own judgements and visit the links if they like.

Ok. I'm saying grow up, situations change as time passes. It's pretty clear to almost everyone that Rynomster was not in control of the development path at CINNI because he was not the original dev. He probably had ideas not in line with the cinnidev so he made his own coin to implement those ideas. You are on a smear campaign against the wrong guy for the wrong reasons. Grow up!

[sdersdf2]

Effort has put into this thread and that chart with both battbot and ryonmonster's posts as prices change sums up alot. Interesting to see battbot suddenly have "in life circumstances" when prices hit rock bottom.

Haven't seen a shred of your own opinion thus this isn't fud or trolling. A nice summary of events and facts posted by these guys.

Thank you, and thank you bitcointalk.org for maintaining records on all these devs.

[smokim87]

Effort has put into this thread and that chart with both battbot and ryonmonster's posts as prices change sums up alot. Interesting to see battbot suddenly have "in life circumstances" when prices hit rock bottom.

Haven't seen a shred of your own opinion thus this isn't fud or trolling. A nice summary of events and facts posted by these guys.

Thank you, and thank you bitcointalk.org for maintaining records on all these devs.

The truth hurts sometimes...that's why sdc supporterss get on the extreme defensive side.

Remember guys sdersdf2 isn't Fuding/trolling anyone, he just posted past posts and FACTS...its up to the reader to come to their own conclusion.

[sdersdf2]

Ok. I'm saying grow up, situations change as time passes. It's pretty clear to almost everyone that Rynomster was not in control of the development path at CINNI because he was not the original dev. He probably had ideas not in line with the cinnidev so he made his own coin to implement those ideas. You are on a smear campaign against the wrong guy for the wrong reasons. Grow up!

That's not at all clear. Everything rynomster said/proposed at the time appeared to be welcome by everyone. There was nothing stopping him from doing whatever he wanted. Cinnicoin is not a real dev and deferred completely to him. What is he saying now about how his freedom was restricted - ridiculous. Obvious nonsense to anyone who reads the history on the CINNI thread.

Ok. I'm saying grow up, situations change as time passes. It's pretty clear to almost everyone that Rynomster was not in control of the development path at CINNI because he was not the original dev. He probably had ideas not in line with the cinnidev so he made his own coin to implement those ideas. You are on a smear campaign against the wrong guy for the wrong reasons. Grow up!

And you, sir, are on a whitewashing campaign. Open up! To the truth.

[DevCoder]

Ok. I'm saying grow up, situations change as time passes. It's pretty clear to almost everyone that Rynomster was not in control of the development path at CINNI because he was not the original dev. He probably had ideas not in line with the cinnidev so he made his own coin to implement those ideas. You are on a smear campaign against the wrong guy for the wrong reasons. Grow up!

That's not at all clear. Everything rynomster said/proposed at the time appeared to be welcome by everyone. There was nothing stopping him from doing whatever he wanted. Cinnicoin is not a real dev and deferred completely to him. What is he saying now about how his freedom was restricted - ridiculous. Obvious nonsense to anyone who reads the history on the CINNI thread.

Ok. I'm saying grow up, situations change as time passes. It's pretty clear to almost everyone that Rynomster was not in control of the development path at CINNI because he was not the original dev. He probably had ideas not in line with the cinnidev so he made his own coin to implement those ideas. You are on a smear campaign against the wrong guy for the wrong reasons. Grow up!

And you, sir, are on a whitewashing campaign. Open up! To the truth.

A smear campaign against a dev that was not even the dev of CinniCoin...this is one of the most ridiculous FUD attempts yet. Good luck...have fun.

[YesOrNo]

Who cares what CINNIcoin dev says - he is a passive, non-existent, non-dev "dev" who seems to have decided to allow CINNI to die, whatever his reasons. Don't care about him or give any weight to his words.

My post is a direct copy of battbot and rynomster's own words with a clear chronology. For all I know, Cinnicoin is in bed with these guys, figuratively speaking.
[/quote]
1000000++++++
Of course he is not a dev after that he represent for several weeks. I can say he is opposite the developer
It seems that he has become executioner , he want to destroy cinni


P.S.
Fuders will start use the words : child, Grow up! etc.

but the truth is One

[sdersdf2]

A smear campaign against a dev that was not even the dev of CinniCoin...this is one of the most ridiculous FUD attempts yet. Good luck...have fun.

It isn't a smear campaign, it's a history campaign - it's battbot and rynomster in their own words. Good luck with the investments you're focused on protecting with your failed attempts at whitewashing. Be honest - the truth is not your priority here. Well, it is mine. Have fun.

[sdersdf2]

Who cares what CINNIcoin dev says - he is a passive, non-existent, non-dev "dev" who seems to have decided to allow CINNI to die, whatever his reasons. Don't care about him or give any weight to his words.

My post is a direct copy of battbot and rynomster's own words with a clear chronology. For all I know, Cinnicoin is in bed with these guys, figuratively speaking.

1000000++++++
Of course he is not a dev after that he represent for several weeks. I can say he is opposite the developer
It seems that he has become executioner , he want to destroy cinni


P.S.
Fuders will start use the words : child, Grow up! etc.

but the truth is One

The great thing about the truth is that it often speaks for itself. And critics expose their true motives and interests by trying to supress it.

[DevCoder]

Cinnicoin Trolls -  stop the smear campaign  

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=700087.msg8142514#msg8142514

"I was not the original developer of CinniCoin, I just built the encrypted messaging system. My team and I decided to create the ShadowCoin project so we would have the freedom to implement our innovations as we saw best."

-rynomster


Situations change as time passes. It's pretty clear to almost everyone that Rynomster was not in control of the development path at CINNI because he was not the original dev. He probably had ideas not in line with the CINNI dev so he made his own coin....there is no problem with that.

It is time you give the man the respect he deserves. The ShadowCoin EM and Stealth projects are open source, you can check for yourself that the code is original. Use the ShadowCoin EM and stealth system, or the full feature staking android and iOS wallets, you will see they work flawlessly. Time for you trolls to respect a real developer and stop this smear campaign.

[sdersdf2]

The truth

Too many words.You can give us a brife version.I think not many people will look through the whole posts.

TDLR: Battbot and Rynomster are trying to whitewash the past, either directly or through allies, proxies and/or sockpuppets such as DevCoder (a newbie account created just a few days ago with the apparent goal of attacking any perceived threats to SDC: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=367991).

They're claiming that they left Cinnicoin in good faith with no obligation to deliver anon tech (that later showed up in rynomster's new Shadowcoin project). The truth is that before they left CINNI they spent weeks hyping development of this anon tech to the CINNI community. Basically, they misled the community into thinking they were developing unique anon tech for CINNI -- 100% decentralised, trustless -- while likely dumping their CINNI portfolios (every attempt the coin made at a rally was dumped on) before both suddenly departed around the same time for "personal"/"family" reasons. Weeks later, the tech turns up in rynomster's new coin Shadowcoin.

Don't care about that anymore, but I do care that battbot (and to a lesser extent rynomster either directly or through his proxies) are trying to whitewash this history. I think anyone who deals with these guys going forward should be informed about this history - and in their own words.

Hope that was brief enough. See CINNI thread for more sordid details:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=573232.5260
It's all there - err, until they delete it, but they cant delete copies and "Re:" responses to those posts and references to their usernames by others.

Others can come to their own judgements about their character after reading their words - before and since their departures from CINNI, including their current round of attempted (and utterly failed) whitewashing.



Battbot and rynomster in their own words (no "opinions" or "interpretations" or "editorialising"). Straight from the horses mouths.

This isn't "FUD" or "SPAM" - it's the history you might want to know about these devs to be better informed buyers.

Full details: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=573232.msg8510089#msg8510089

June 1:

Announcement!

As promised, the encrypted messaging update will be released within ten to fourteen days. Included in this release is a one of a kind robust encrypted messaging system that is a first in crypto-currency. This system is a framework or protocol within the wallet that allows applications to be built upon it as needed by users. The release will have applications already built upon this framework, these applications will position CINNI as the leading crypto-currency in point of sale systems for both eCommerce and brick and mortar stores. (screen shots of the updated GUI will be available this week)

Included in this release are essential tools to conduct secure encrypted point of sale commerce and are all a first in crypto currency:

1) Encrypted messaging system in client with wallet to wallet messaging platform.
2) Encrypted order form sent wallet to wallet.
3) Encrypted invoice generation sent wallet to wallet.
4) Encrypted receipt delivery sent wallet to wallet.

Future release...est 3-6 weeks.
 
1) Combined wallet for both BTC and CINNI with multiple currency exchange rate support. (this will be the first ever in crypto-currency and will assist point of sale)
2) In wallet chat room.

Future release...est 4-14 weeks. (With this release we will become the best option in crypto-currency as a point of sale solution)

1) A second wallet designed as a "retail wallet" in addition to the "consumer wallet". This wallet is designed specifically for retail eCommerce businesses and is built on the encrypted messaging platform. (this will be the first "retail wallet" ever in crypto-currency and will lead to rapid merchant adoption of CINNI as a form of payment.)
2) Inventory management system for tracking supply in wallet client.
3) SKU number assignment with SKU pricing in wallet client.
4) Full receivables and reporting features in wallet client.
5) QR code generation in wallet client.
6) Export option into accounting software (i.e. Quickbooks, ect.)

Future release...est 12-18 weeks. (This will be an update on the routing of encrypted messages)

1) Optional anonymity features for "consumer wallet". This would allow for anonymity or (dark) send features similar to DRK coin or XC coin system.
2) Optional anonymization of data and messages. This system will use "messagenodes" combined with "masternodes" in the dark send feature. The "messagenodes" and "masternodes" will be paid in transaction fees and will be required to provide "proof of stake" by holding CINNI in wallets developing coin age (more details will follow).

Darkcoin and XC coin only anonymize half of the transaction (the actual transfer of payment). The communication between buyer and seller is left wide open and can be intercepted by a third party. There are ways to mitigate the communication risk however the communication risk to anonymity remains more significant than the payment risk to anonymity. The system being developed at CINNI will use the encrypted messaging system to allow CINNI to become the first ever completely anonymous transaction system.

June 5:

These people selling are stupid 

As one who is directly involved with the coders + development of the upcoming wallet -- yes, people selling now will be very sad, very soon.

June 7:

To anyone buying this...kudos, but I hope you know that cinnicoin is releasing a Wallet this weekend with anon encrypted messaging plus anon transfers, and it will be NON beta

June 7:

Hey guys, just a correction to a statement I made earlier -- the new wallet releasing soon will only have anonymous encrypted messaging / invoicing etc features, as reported in the announcement below. I received a report from the coders today but mistakingly read that anon transfers would be in this release. Although anon transfers are currently in development, it will come at a later wallet update. I apologize for the confusion (I am still traveling across the United States so It's been hard to stay well connected this past week. My travels end tomorrow.)

With that being said, expect more info on the upcoming wallet release very soon! 

June 9:

Is there any announcement today?

There was announcement that all going as planned, and new wallet will be released this week.

Cinni's EM feature will be anonymous as well as the transactions (but anon transfers will be added in a second update soon to follow). 

I just spoke to the coders and I should be able to update everyone sometime today with a fairly accurate release date for the wallet with anon encrypted messaging.  Also, I have asked the coders to provide me with a whitepaper as well as a screen-capture video that demos & explains the anon EM feature (these will be posted prior to release).

Edit** Whitepaper and Video should be finished and posted here by this evening (EST)
 
It is 100% new code.  Also, it will not face any of the bloat issues that VRC is currently dealing with.  VRC crashed after ~1000 messages were sent in a period of a few minutes.  We have tested successfully multiple times of near 2000 messages on our system sent within a 20 second period -- and no issues whatsoever.  But it should also be noted that our EM system is uniquely different from VRC (which only sends money transfers via SMS, unless I am mistaken).  Cinni's anon Encrypted Messaging system will revolution the way wallets are used.   

Greater detail will be provided today with the WP and demo video of the method we use for EM and how it works.

June 9:

There is currently no other coin (to my knowledge) that has a working encrypted messaging feature built into the wallet.  So, Cinni would be the first.  Also, yes, the EM feature will be anonymous as well as the transactions (but anon transfers will be added in a second update soon to follow). 

I just spoke to the coders and I should be able to update everyone sometime today with a fairly accurate release date for the wallet with anon encrypted messaging.  Also, I have asked the coders to provide me with a whitepaper as well as a screen-capture video that demos & explains the anon EM feature (these will be posted prior to release).

Edit** Whitepaper and Video should be finished and posted here by this evening (EST)

June 10:

***UPDATE***

Anon Encrypted Messaging

EM White-paper: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10793660/wp.pdf
EM Wallet Demo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTjp6e7RDZo
(another video will be uploaded likely tomorrow going in greater detail)

Target Release Date: Thursday, June 12th

***Sneak-peak Update***

(posted earlier today)

Here is a basic breakdown of how Cinni's anon Encrypted Messaging feature will work (An in-depth explanation will be provided later tonight with release of the white paper):

Cinnicoin Encrypted Messaging Details:

Basic Method:

• The Elliptic Curve Diffie-Hellman (ECDH) key exchange method is used to share a secret key between the sender and receiver.
• The sender generates the secret key using a newly generated random private key and the recipient's public key.
• The payload is encrypted using AES-256-CBC with the first 32 bytes of the SHA512 hash of the secret key.
• If not sending anonymously the sender's address and compact signature are included in the payload.
• The encrypted payload and the public key of the newly generated keypair are sent to the recipient. The recipient generates the same secret key with their private key that matches the public key used by the sender and the public key included in the message.
• The payload is decrypted using the hashed secret key.
• The encrypted messages are stored on the filesytem in buckets by time and distributed to all nodes.
• It is not possible to tell the sender or receiver of the message from the encrypted message without having the private key of the recipient. [1]
• The messages are stored for 48 hours and are then deleted.
• Each node checks every message received from the network against all the addresses it owns. If a match is found a copy of the encrypted message is stored in the node's inbox database.

Additional Features:

• When not sending anonymously the sender's compact signature not only verifies that the message came from the owner of the address, but also enables the public key to be recovered allowing the recipient to reply even if the sender's address has no public key in the blockchain.
• Incoming transaction blocks are scanned for public keys.

(Again, this is just a basic explanation of what is already implemented in the wallet to be released this week.  A screen-cap video that demos & explains Cinni's EM feature will be released shortly alongside the WP)

June 13:

Anonymous Transfer White-paper

(100% true anonymity)

Here is a link to the promised white-paper for anon transfers (which will be uniquely built upon Cinni's EM platform - this method will offer 100% true anonymity, currently not offered in either DRK or XC):
https://www.mediafire.com/?49w5yo2cy7my4xr

(This feature is already in active development.  More details to be revealed soon)

Encrypted Messaging Wallets:

Here is the long awaited EM client. There will be a release to follow, which will include the invoicing, receipts, as well as various minor fixes.
Download and enjoy your new encrypted messages.
Windows
Linux

EM White-paper: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10793660/wp.pdf
EM Wallet Demos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTjp6e7RDZo & https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGpxCcAWz4o&feature=youtu.be

***Announcement***

(posted earlier today)

Update: EM wallets will be released within the next 1-2 hours.  For this release -- only Windows and Linux wallets will be compiled, and we will work on getting MAC wallet ASAP  (Originally this info was to be announced with the wallet updates, but I am making this announcement now because I have a meeting in 10 minutes and will not be around when we release the wallet).


Active Development:
Our Encrypted Messaging system will be the framework by which all future development will be built upon.  Here is a list of active development that will be built upon the EM platform:

   • Mobile wallets that fully support all features which are built into the desktop/PC wallets.
   • A combined Cinni/BTC wallet & Point of sale retailer system [1]
   • Anonymous Transfer System (will offer unprecedented 100% true anonymity uniquely built upon the EM platform) [2]

Notes*
   1. The idea behind the point of sale system and the combined Cinni/BTC wallet is that many retailers are accepting BTC but very few are accepting any alts.  Our goal is to make a point of sale system designed toward retailers that want to accept BTC.  We will offer this system for free, and bundle Cinni with it.  This way, Cinni can have a door into retailers.
   2. Because of Cinni’s unique EM platform, our method for Cinni’s anonymous transfer system, which will be built upon the EM platform, will offer unprecedented 100% true anonymity.  This is currently not something that even DRK or XC can offer.  We will release a white-paper with in-depth details on our method tonight sometime after the wallets are released.

(Greater details on everything here will be provided soon)

June 13:

My hope is that people understand the significance of the 100% true anon transfer feature that we are actively developing on the EM platform just released today.  100% true anonymity is something speculated to NOT be developed until 2015 or later.  This is a BIG DEAL.

June 13:

Evan of DRK recently said that, and I count him a pretty sound voice on anon tech.  Also, Cinni's ETA is less than 1 month until release of it's anon transfers (as I stated earlier).

June 13:

Both Monero and Cryptonote are not 100% anonymous -- transactions can still be traced (with some effort) in the blockchain.  Cinni's anon transfer does not operate on the blockchain, but outside of it.  Please read the whitepaper before you are making these statements -- everything is explained there in some detail.

June 13:

This is not correct.  ALL anon coins in existence right now do NOT offer 100% truly anonymous solutions.  Evan from DRK and Dan of XC will and have admitted to this.  Cinni's proposed method built uniquely upon the EM platform will be 100% truly anonymous (see whitepaper).  And yes, our ETA is ~ a few weeks.

June 13:

My hope is that people understand the significance of the 100% true anon transfer feature that we are actively developing on the EM platform just released today.  100% true anonymity is something speculated to NOT be developed until 2015 or later.  This is a BIG DEAL.

Disagree, zerocash ETA is in 3-6 months.

Our ETA is less than 1 month away.  We will have this out in a few weeks, or sooner.

June 14:

Dumping doesn't matter, IMO.  EM Invoice / receipts are being released this weekend.  And 100% true anon transfers will be released in 2-3 weeks.


But it would probably help the buy support more if I told everyone that we are currently working on a feature that cures cancer.

June 14

Hehe the problems is us Devs are doing what us Devs do we are developing.
I think our main focus right now is having a solid solution, then we can market it hard
We need lots of help from the community, and we are grateful to have such a good community.
After our next wallet release (scheduled for tomorrow evening), which will include a ton of bug fixes and new features, we will be focusing on anonymous transactions.
It would be great if someone in the community could make a promo video

The community is doing loads of work as it stands. This project is almost entirely community driven.
Logos, websites, cinnichain, and almost everything surrounding this coin has come from the community, which in turn are the investors too.

There is more than just investing bitcoin into CINNI on an exchange, yes buying CINNI is investing, but investing time into it is our way of investing, as we don't have the funds to go and buy CINNI, so we have to strengthen the CINNI that we do have

June 24:

Anonymous Transfer

Up next will be Cinni's anon transfers which will be uniquely built upon Cinni's EM platform. 

Our method will use CINNI's Encrypted Messaging system and onion routing (similar to TOR) in combination with “reserve relay nodes," to enable completely anonymous transfers/payments within the blockchain system.  This method will offer 100% true anonymity.

See white-paper:
https://www.mediafire.com/?49w5yo2cy7my4xr

June 26:

well it is opensource, and I am a dev on the team, but cinnidev is still my superior I guess.
I think Cinnidev would probably be the best person to talk to, as I am actively involved in about 4 projects at any given time for the past few years.
Cinnidev really loves his coin, enough to have gotten me on board as well, so he is definitely the guy to talk to
CinniCoin is the only coin I've worked on, and the only coin I probably will work on

July 4:

I have a good feelingabout tthis coin. Sooner or later it will pop. Dont forget drk was at 4 btc volume a day before the rise . I'll be losing at around $25000 + if cinni devs don't deliver but I think this coin is great. I also like how the devs don't release announments just for the sake of making the price go up. Very respectful and honorable to their commitment in making an anonymous transfer coin.

The current price will hover around this level for another 2 weeks or so, maybe hitting a bottom of 4500... as intended then we will see some sparks flying. I don't think we will get any dev updates for about 2 weeks. So good buying time.

2 weeks?

Maybe less. I guess the devs are playing a smart game not giving any release date. Perhaps this comes tomorrow, by the end of the week, or in more than two. We just don't know anything...

Here's a msg from Rynomster last week:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=573232.msg7552014#msg7552014

There is loads of calculations that need to be done, and we are trying to get beyond the point of obfuscation.
It's really easy in theory, but in reality you don't know how its going to work out, and who is going to be online by the time the transactions are created.
With a 15s blocktime it is really difficult in a p2p network, as you never know who you will be communicating with.

Its a really mind blowing concept, and a real challenge, which is why we are taking our time to finalize the actual concept in the R&D phase.

From there onwards its going to be a quick and easy implementation.
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July 6:

bye bye cinni.... 

Rynomster is on IRC.  I'm talking with him, the dev team is absolutely not running away.

Just a tiny update for us loyal investors?

It's hard, i cannot say much, but it definitely seems like everything is fine regarding CINNI's development. If anyone still feels scared of dev is gone fud, just go on IRC to calme down, like that you'll see that everything is alright.

##Cinnicoin

I'm sure that Cinnicoin will make an update soon.

July 6:

Investors need to know when will be any update? Why Rynomster has not written anything here?

I PM'd him for an update, and he sent back a very friendly note, the same day, saying he'd been away, was now back and would get caught up before writing back with an update. That was about 5 days ago and I havent yet heard back.


July 6:

Investors need to know when will be any update? Why Rynomster has not written anything here?

He was on IRC, but i guess he didn't want to post since it was 1st, no time to worry, 2nd if Cinnicoin had ran away he would had been as shocked as us obviously.  He actually told me that posting something just for the sake of calming would be lying.

See how much morality do our devs have guys

July 7:

It was yesterday on IRC.
Rynomster also told me he asked Cinnicoin some time for himself due to personal issues. But he was definitely still holding Cinni and paying interest to the coin!

Anyone with an interest in making a clean exit from the coin at a better price would say that, including that "marketing" guy who was hyperbullish on CINNI... before he left.


July 8:

Hi everyone,

As you may or may not have noticed, I have been fairly inactive lately -- my apologies for this.  There is really no easy way to say this, however, due to life circumstances, I am no longer able to act as community manager for CinniCoin (please remember that I was only a volunteer and not part of the original dev team).  CinniCoin (dev) is still working on projects for this coin.  However, I am no longer able to devote my time and energy to it.

If the community has or does find a replacement, I will be glad to hand over the twitter account.  Just send me a PM.

Thanks, and I wish CinniCoin all the best.

And that's before saying anything about the bug issue.

[sdersdf2]

Great piece of work sdersdf2 thank you !
Please remove those last otherwise people won't treat seriously your tread.
Once again well done !

It was necessary because DevCoder (an apparent sockpuppet account) was spamming the thread with his whitewashing. I've deleted most of the other copies, but will keep the one last one in place to make sure he doesn't bury the truth at the beginning or end of the thread.

And thank you to "DevCoder" for at least temporarily boosting the number of posts/views and therefore the visibility of this thread - dumbass.

[ItsNotMe]

Rynomster was not the dev of CinniCoin. Almost all the quoted posts are from "battbot". It seems lkke you are trying to drag Rynomster down with quotes by battbot. That seems a little dishonest IMO.

[sdersdf2]

Rynomster was not the dev of CinniCoin. Almost all the posts are of "battbot". It seems lkke you are trying to drag Rynomster down with quotes by battbot. Than seems a little dishonest IMO.

Maybe you should actually read the post and learn the truth instead of looking to inoculate rynomster - the truth of what happened and didn't happen is there for anyone to see and come to their own conclusions, which to me are rather obvious. These are both battbot and rynomster in their own words.

There is nothing dishonest about anything in this thread except for Shadowcoin cultists and sockpuppet accounts parachuting into this thread with the pretense of caring about the truth when they're only looking to insulate rynomster from it.

[ItsNotMe]

Rynomster was not the dev of CinniCoin. Almost all the posts are of "battbot". It seems lkke you are trying to drag Rynomster down with quotes by battbot. Than seems a little dishonest IMO.

Maybe you should actually read the post and learn the truth instead of looking to inoculate rynomster - the truth of what happened and didn't happen is there for anyone to see and come to their own conclusions, which to me are rather obvious. These are both battbot and rynomster in their own words.

I am reading. What posts of Rynomster are showing him dishonest?  Are you saying battbot and rynomster are the same person?  If not, rynomster can not be incremented by these postings from battbot.

[sdersdf2]

Rynomster was not the dev of CinniCoin. Almost all the posts are of "battbot". It seems lkke you are trying to drag Rynomster down with quotes by battbot. Than seems a little dishonest IMO.

Maybe you should actually read the post and learn the truth instead of looking to inoculate rynomster - the truth of what happened and didn't happen is there for anyone to see and come to their own conclusions, which to me are rather obvious. These are both battbot and rynomster in their own words.

I am reading. What posts of Rynomster are showing him dishonest?  Are you saying battbot and rynomster are the same person?  If not, rynomster can not be incremented by these postings from battbot.

I can't force anyone to see the obvious - the quotes from battbot and rynomster are all there, complete with the chronology, for people to see the truth for themselves, if they choose to see it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=755834.msg8523524#msg8523524

[ItsNotMe]

Rynomster was not the dev of CinniCoin. Almost all the posts are of "battbot". It seems lkke you are trying to drag Rynomster down with quotes by battbot. Than seems a little dishonest IMO.

Maybe you should actually read the post and learn the truth instead of looking to inoculate rynomster - the truth of what happened and didn't happen is there for anyone to see and come to their own conclusions, which to me are rather obvious. These are both battbot and rynomster in their own words.

I am reading. What posts of Rynomster are showing him dishonest?  Are you saying battbot and rynomster are the same person?  If not, rynomster can not be incremented by these postings from battbot.

I can't force anyone to see the obvious - the quotes from battbot and rynomster are all there, complete with the chronology, for people to see the truth for themselves, if they choose to see it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=755834.msg8523524#msg8523524

What are the dishonest posts from rynomster? You have shown posts from battbot and wrongly attributed them to rynomster...that seems dishonest on your part IMO.

[sdersdf2]

Rynomster was not the dev of CinniCoin. Almost all the posts are of "battbot". It seems lkke you are trying to drag Rynomster down with quotes by battbot. Than seems a little dishonest IMO.

Maybe you should actually read the post and learn the truth instead of looking to inoculate rynomster - the truth of what happened and didn't happen is there for anyone to see and come to their own conclusions, which to me are rather obvious. These are both battbot and rynomster in their own words.

I am reading. What posts of Rynomster are showing him dishonest?  Are you saying battbot and rynomster are the same person?  If not, rynomster can not be incremented by these postings from battbot.

I can't force anyone to see the obvious - the quotes from battbot and rynomster are all there, complete with the chronology, for people to see the truth for themselves, if they choose to see it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=755834.msg8523524#msg8523524

What are the dishonest posts from rynomster? You have shown posts from battbot and wrongly attributed them to rynomster...that seems dishonest on your part IMO.

You keep calling me dishonest and pretend you can't read all the comments from rynomster himself here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=755834.msg8523524#msg8523524

[ItsNotMe]

Rynomster was not the dev of CinniCoin. Almost all the posts are of "battbot". It seems lkke you are trying to drag Rynomster down with quotes by battbot. Than seems a little dishonest IMO.

Maybe you should actually read the post and learn the truth instead of looking to inoculate rynomster - the truth of what happened and didn't happen is there for anyone to see and come to their own conclusions, which to me are rather obvious. These are both battbot and rynomster in their own words.

I am reading. What posts of Rynomster are showing him dishonest?  Are you saying battbot and rynomster are the same person?  If not, rynomster can not be incremented by these postings from battbot.

I can't force anyone to see the obvious - the quotes from battbot and rynomster are all there, complete with the chronology, for people to see the truth for themselves, if they choose to see it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=755834.msg8523524#msg8523524

What are the dishonest posts from rynomster? You have shown posts from battbot and wrongly attributed them to rynomster...that seems dishonest on your part IMO.

You keep calling me dishonest and pretend you can't read all the comments from rynomster here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=755834.msg8523524#msg8523524

I read that link. Again, what are the dishonest posts from rynomster?  There are no dishonest posts from rynomster in that link.
You have wrongly said posts from battbot somehow show dishonesty by rynomster.  This seems dishonest on your part. Please list the dishonest posts by rynomster, not posts by battbot.
I am saying you are being intellectualy dishonest in the way you constructed the OP. You say rynomster is dishonest,  then you list posts made predominantly by battbot and attempt to attribute them to rynomster.  

[sdersdf2]

I read that link. Again, what are the dishonest posts from rynomster?  There are no dishonest posts from rynomster in that link.
You have wrongly said posts from battbot somehow show dishonesty by rynomster.  This seems dishonest on your part. Please list the dishonest posts by rynomster, not posts by battbot.
I am saying you are being intellectualy dishonest in the way you constructed the OP. You say rynomster is dishonest,  then you list posts made predominantly by battbot and attempt to attribute them to rynomster.  

Please specify anything I've said -- for the most part copied -- that isn't true:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=755834.msg8523524#msg8523524

[ItsNotMe]

I read that link. Again, what are the dishonest posts from rynomster?  There are no dishonest posts from rynomster in that link.
You have wrongly said posts from battbot somehow show dishonesty by rynomster.  This seems dishonest on your part. Please list the dishonest posts by rynomster, not posts by battbot.
I am saying you are being intellectualy dishonest in the way you constructed the OP. You say rynomster is dishonest,  then you list posts made predominantly by battbot and attempt to attribute them to rynomster.  

Please specify anything I've said -- for the most part copied -- that isn't true:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=755834.msg8523524#msg8523524

You have constructed the OP in attempt to implicate rynomster using quotes from battbot. This is called a guilt by association fallacy. You include rynomster in an undesirable list of quotes made by other people in attempt to implicate him. This is by definition, intellectual dishonesty.

List the dishonest quotes from rynomster or stop attacking his character.

[sdersdf2]

I read that link. Again, what are the dishonest posts from rynomster?  There are no dishonest posts from rynomster in that link.
You have wrongly said posts from battbot somehow show dishonesty by rynomster.  This seems dishonest on your part. Please list the dishonest posts by rynomster, not posts by battbot.
I am saying you are being intellectualy dishonest in the way you constructed the OP. You say rynomster is dishonest,  then you list posts made predominantly by battbot and attempt to attribute them to rynomster.  

Please specify anything I've said -- for the most part copied -- that isn't true:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=755834.msg8523524#msg8523524

You have constructed the OP in attemp to implicate rynomster using quotes from battbot. This is a guilt by association falacy. You include rynomster in an undesirable list of quotes made by other people in attempt to implicate him. This is by definition, intellectual dishonesty.

I am presenting the chronology as it was -- and allow readers to draw their own conclusions, which seem obvious to me and many others -- while you repeat vague accusations about my dishonesty. I leave the record to speak for itself. This is what battbot and rynomster said and did when they said and did it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=755834.msg8523524#msg8523524

[ItsNotMe]

I read that link. Again, what are the dishonest posts from rynomster?  There are no dishonest posts from rynomster in that link.
You have wrongly said posts from battbot somehow show dishonesty by rynomster.  This seems dishonest on your part. Please list the dishonest posts by rynomster, not posts by battbot.
I am saying you are being intellectualy dishonest in the way you constructed the OP. You say rynomster is dishonest,  then you list posts made predominantly by battbot and attempt to attribute them to rynomster.  

Please specify anything I've said -- for the most part copied -- that isn't true:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=755834.msg8523524#msg8523524

You have constructed the OP in attemp to implicate rynomster using quotes from battbot. This is a guilt by association falacy. You include rynomster in an undesirable list of quotes made by other people in attempt to implicate him. This is by definition, intellectual dishonesty.

I am presenting the chronology as it was -- and allow readers to draw their own conclusions, which seem obvious to me and many others -- while you repeat vague accusations about my dishonesty. I leave the record to speak for itself. This is what battbot and rynomster said and did when they said and did it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=755834.msg8523524#msg8523524

You included rynomster in an undesirable list of quotes made by other people in attempt to implicate him. This is by definition, intellectual dishonesty.

List the dishonest quotes from rynomster or stop attacking his character.

You clearly dont care at all about honesty or you would not play these games. Im sure this will be abundantly clear to anyone reading these posts.

It is now clear to me that intellectual honesty is not your goal, you are just attempting to bring down an honest man. This is shameful on your part and I will no longer participate.

[evtrmm]

well, if Rynomaster is truly not a master of Ryno's then this may be dishonest

[sdersdf2]

I read that link. Again, what are the dishonest posts from rynomster?  There are no dishonest posts from rynomster in that link.
You have wrongly said posts from battbot somehow show dishonesty by rynomster.  This seems dishonest on your part. Please list the dishonest posts by rynomster, not posts by battbot.
I am saying you are being intellectualy dishonest in the way you constructed the OP. You say rynomster is dishonest,  then you list posts made predominantly by battbot and attempt to attribute them to rynomster.  

Please specify anything I've said -- for the most part copied -- that isn't true:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=755834.msg8523524#msg8523524

You have constructed the OP in attemp to implicate rynomster using quotes from battbot. This is a guilt by association falacy. You include rynomster in an undesirable list of quotes made by other people in attempt to implicate him. This is by definition, intellectual dishonesty.

I am presenting the chronology as it was -- and allow readers to draw their own conclusions, which seem obvious to me and many others -- while you repeat vague accusations about my dishonesty. I leave the record to speak for itself. This is what battbot and rynomster said and did when they said and did it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=755834.msg8523524#msg8523524

You included rynomster in an undesirable list of quotes made by other people in attempt to implicate him. This is by definition, intellectual dishonesty.

List the dishonest quotes from rynomster or stop attacking his character.

You clearly dont care at all about honesty or you would not play these games. Im sure this will be abundantly clear to anyone reading these posts.

It is now clear to me that intellectual honesty is not your goal, you are just attempting to bring down an honest man. This is shameful on your part and I will no longer participate.

You haven't challenged any of the quotes or chronology presented (copied from the record) while repeatedly calling me dishonest: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=755834.msg8523524#msg8523524

[DevCoder]

I read that link. Again, what are the dishonest posts from rynomster?  There are no dishonest posts from rynomster in that link.
You have wrongly said posts from battbot somehow show dishonesty by rynomster.  This seems dishonest on your part. Please list the dishonest posts by rynomster, not posts by battbot.
I am saying you are being intellectualy dishonest in the way you constructed the OP. You say rynomster is dishonest,  then you list posts made predominantly by battbot and attempt to attribute them to rynomster.  

Please specify anything I've said -- for the most part copied -- that isn't true:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=755834.msg8523524#msg8523524

You have constructed the OP in attemp to implicate rynomster using quotes from battbot. This is a guilt by association falacy. You include rynomster in an undesirable list of quotes made by other people in attempt to implicate him. This is by definition, intellectual dishonesty.

I am presenting the chronology as it was -- and allow readers to draw their own conclusions, which seem obvious to me and many others -- while you repeat vague accusations about my dishonesty. I leave the record to speak for itself. This is what battbot and rynomster said and did when they said and did it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=755834.msg8523524#msg8523524

You included rynomster in an undesirable list of quotes made by other people in attempt to implicate him. This is by definition, intellectual dishonesty.

List the dishonest quotes from rynomster or stop attacking his character.

You clearly dont care at all about honesty or you would not play these games. Im sure this will be abundantly clear to anyone reading these posts.

It is now clear to me that intellectual honesty is not your goal, you are just attempting to bring down an honest man. This is shameful on your part and I will no longer participate.

This is so true. He posted all quotes from that battbots guy and then tried to say rynomaster was a part of it. There are like 2 quotes from rynomaster in the OP and 25 from battbots. The quotes from rynomaster don't say anything dishonest at all. He is trying his hardest to bring rynomaster down. Common troll move.

[Litesire]

Cinnicoin Trolls -  stop the smear campaign  

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=700087.msg8142514#msg8142514

"I was not the original developer of CinniCoin, I just built the encrypted messaging system. My team and I decided to create the ShadowCoin project so we would have the freedom to implement our innovations as we saw best."

-rynomster


Situations change as time passes. It's pretty clear to almost everyone that Rynomster was not in control of the development path at CINNI because he was not the original dev. He probably had ideas not in line with the CINNI dev so he made his own coin....there is no problem with that.

It is time you give the man the respect he deserves. The ShadowCoin EM and Stealth projects are open source, you can check for yourself that the code is original. Use the ShadowCoin EM and stealth system, or the full feature staking android and iOS wallets, you will see they work flawlessly. Time for you trolls to respect a real developer and stop this smear campaign.

The problem with all these devs is they make a living off alt coins. Sticking to one coin won't make them rich. Creating new coins with news features will until they dump and start a new project.
Apparently the cloak dev made himself a lot recently.

[sdersdf2]

This is so true. He posted all quotes from that battbots guy and then tried to say rynomaster was a part of it. There are like 2 quotes from rynomaster in the OP and 25 from battbots. The quotes from rynomaster don't say anything dishonest at all. He is trying his hardest to bring rynomaster down. Common troll move.

Because rynomaster kept most of his remarks to PM, conversing with battbot and other insiders. I've copied what battbot and rynomster were willing to post to the public forum - whatever they deigned to share with outsiders -- before they left CINNI around the same time. Again, just the facts: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=755834.msg8523524#msg8523524

PS: Care for another round of tennis?

[sdersdf2]

The problem with all these devs is they make a living off alt coins. Sticking to one coin won't make them rich. Creating new coins with news features will until they dump and start a new project.
Apparently the cloak dev made himself a lot recently.

Apparently, and that's their prerogative, but its our prerogative as buyers or potential buyers to familiarise ourselves with their patterns and past behavior/actions, inform others and invest (or not invest) accordingly.

[miningfool]

Cinnicoin Trolls -  stop the smear campaign  

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=700087.msg8142514#msg8142514

"I was not the original developer of CinniCoin, I just built the encrypted messaging system. My team and I decided to create the ShadowCoin project so we would have the freedom to implement our innovations as we saw best."

-rynomster


Situations change as time passes. It's pretty clear to almost everyone that Rynomster was not in control of the development path at CINNI because he was not the original dev. He probably had ideas not in line with the CINNI dev so he made his own coin....there is no problem with that.

It is time you give the man the respect he deserves. The ShadowCoin EM and Stealth projects are open source, you can check for yourself that the code is original. Use the ShadowCoin EM and stealth system, or the full feature staking android and iOS wallets, you will see they work flawlessly. Time for you trolls to respect a real developer and stop this smear campaign.

The problem with all these devs is they make a living off alt coins. Sticking to one coin won't make them rich. Creating new coins with news features will until they dump and start a new project.
Apparently the cloak dev made himself a lot recently.

:shrug:  I'm not too happy with the FUD in the cloak thread by some large SDC holders, but on the other hand this thread is kind of a WTF moment.  Devs don't owe you a damn thing.  rnymonster or whoever are free to work on whatever they want.  These are open source decentralized projects, not "stocks" or companies, you aren't paying salaries to these devs.  If you're not happy with some aspect of development on say CINNI coin, write some code and submit pull requests on github and contribute.

[DevCoder]

I read that link. Again, what are the dishonest posts from rynomster?  There are no dishonest posts from rynomster in that link.
You have wrongly said posts from battbot somehow show dishonesty by rynomster.  This seems dishonest on your part. Please list the dishonest posts by rynomster, not posts by battbot.
I am saying you are being intellectualy dishonest in the way you constructed the OP. You say rynomster is dishonest,  then you list posts made predominantly by battbot and attempt to attribute them to rynomster.  

Please specify anything I've said -- for the most part copied -- that isn't true:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=755834.msg8523524#msg8523524

You have constructed the OP in attemp to implicate rynomster using quotes from battbot. This is a guilt by association falacy. You include rynomster in an undesirable list of quotes made by other people in attempt to implicate him. This is by definition, intellectual dishonesty.

I am presenting the chronology as it was -- and allow readers to draw their own conclusions, which seem obvious to me and many others -- while you repeat vague accusations about my dishonesty. I leave the record to speak for itself. This is what battbot and rynomster said and did when they said and did it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=755834.msg8523524#msg8523524

You included rynomster in an undesirable list of quotes made by other people in attempt to implicate him. This is by definition, intellectual dishonesty.

List the dishonest quotes from rynomster or stop attacking his character.

You clearly dont care at all about honesty or you would not play these games. Im sure this will be abundantly clear to anyone reading these posts.

It is now clear to me that intellectual honesty is not your goal, you are just attempting to bring down an honest man. This is shameful on your part and I will no longer participate.

I think you are afraid of the whole quote. This guy was dead on ^

[sdersdf2]

I read that link. Again, what are the dishonest posts from rynomster?  There are no dishonest posts from rynomster in that link.
You have wrongly said posts from battbot somehow show dishonesty by rynomster.  This seems dishonest on your part. Please list the dishonest posts by rynomster, not posts by battbot.
I am saying you are being intellectualy dishonest in the way you constructed the OP. You say rynomster is dishonest,  then you list posts made predominantly by battbot and attempt to attribute them to rynomster.  

Please specify anything I've said -- for the most part copied -- that isn't true:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=755834.msg8523524#msg8523524

You have constructed the OP in attemp to implicate rynomster using quotes from battbot. This is a guilt by association falacy. You include rynomster in an undesirable list of quotes made by other people in attempt to implicate him. This is by definition, intellectual dishonesty.

I am presenting the chronology as it was -- and allow readers to draw their own conclusions, which seem obvious to me and many others -- while you repeat vague accusations about my dishonesty. I leave the record to speak for itself. This is what battbot and rynomster said and did when they said and did it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=755834.msg8523524#msg8523524

You included rynomster in an undesirable list of quotes made by other people in attempt to implicate him. This is by definition, intellectual dishonesty.

List the dishonest quotes from rynomster or stop attacking his character.

You clearly dont care at all about honesty or you would not play these games. Im sure this will be abundantly clear to anyone reading these posts.

It is now clear to me that intellectual honesty is not your goal, you are just attempting to bring down an honest man. This is shameful on your part and I will no longer participate.

I think you are afraid of the whole quote. This guy was dead on ^

I just found it redundant - he repeatedly accuses me of dishonesty but doesn't challenge a single part of the historical record:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=755834.msg8523524#msg8523524

I started this thread as an open thread (not moderated and heavily censored like SDC/Shadowcoin) to allow a free flow of facts/opinion that SDC allies/proxies/sockpuppets like you are desperately trying to supress. I'm not afraid of the truth, unlike you people.

[sdersdf2]

:shrug:  I'm not too happy with the FUD in the cloak thread by some large SDC holders, but on the other hand this thread is kind of a WTF moment.  Devs don't owe you a damn thing.  rnymonster or whoever are free to work on whatever they want.  These are open source decentralized projects, not "stocks" or companies, you aren't paying salaries to these devs.  If you're not happy with some aspect of development on say CINNI coin, write some code and submit pull requests on github and contribute.

You're right - they don't owe us a damn thing. And we, as potential buyers, don't owe them our ignorance or our compliance with supression of the truth of what they did. I don't owe them anything either. I do feel I owe other buyers or potential buyers a counterpoint to their attempted whitewashing of what happened and when. I've posted the historical record, which is what apparently scares these people.

So, who's next? More tennis, "DevCoder"?

[pawlo74]

The problem with all these devs is they make a living off alt coins. Sticking to one coin won't make them rich. Creating new coins with news features will until they dump and start a new project.
Apparently the cloak dev made himself a lot recently.

Apparently, and that's their prerogative, but its our prerogative as buyers or potential buyers to familiarise ourselves with their patterns and past behavior/actions, inform others and invest (or not invest) accordingly.

+1

"these devs" won't be able do this forever their end will come soon.

How many times you can scam someone ? one o or two that's it.

[DevCoder]

I read that link. Again, what are the dishonest posts from rynomster?  There are no dishonest posts from rynomster in that link.
You have wrongly said posts from battbot somehow show dishonesty by rynomster.  This seems dishonest on your part. Please list the dishonest posts by rynomster, not posts by battbot.
I am saying you are being intellectualy dishonest in the way you constructed the OP. You say rynomster is dishonest,  then you list posts made predominantly by battbot and attempt to attribute them to rynomster.  

Please specify anything I've said -- for the most part copied -- that isn't true:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=755834.msg8523524#msg8523524

You have constructed the OP in attemp to implicate rynomster using quotes from battbot. This is a guilt by association falacy. You include rynomster in an undesirable list of quotes made by other people in attempt to implicate him. This is by definition, intellectual dishonesty.

I am presenting the chronology as it was -- and allow readers to draw their own conclusions, which seem obvious to me and many others -- while you repeat vague accusations about my dishonesty. I leave the record to speak for itself. This is what battbot and rynomster said and did when they said and did it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=755834.msg8523524#msg8523524

You included rynomster in an undesirable list of quotes made by other people in attempt to implicate him. This is by definition, intellectual dishonesty.

List the dishonest quotes from rynomster or stop attacking his character.

You clearly dont care at all about honesty or you would not play these games. Im sure this will be abundantly clear to anyone reading these posts.

It is now clear to me that intellectual honesty is not your goal, you are just attempting to bring down an honest man. This is shameful on your part and I will no longer participate.

I think you are afraid of the whole quote. This guy was dead on ^

I just found it redundant - he repeatedly accuses me of dishonesty but doesn't challenge a single part of the historical record:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=755834.msg8523524#msg8523524


I started this thread as open (not moderated, unlike SDC) to allow a free flow of facts/opinion that SDC allies/proxies/sockpuppets like you are desperately trying to supress.

He says you presented the information and quotes dishonestly....you did. Easy to see the game you are playing.
The "didn't challenge the record" bullshit is no defense for your honesty. Your dishonesty was your presentation of the quotes in a purposeful way to implicate rynomaster with the quotes of another person.

Oh BTW, you are yet to answer his challenge. List the dishonest quotes by rynomaster, not the quotes by battbots...of rynomaster. Just list them below so all can see the dishonesty in its rawness.

Noooo, you want to leave the quotes in the context you presented them....there is the dishonesty on your part.

[sdersdf2]

He says you presented the information and quotes dishonestly....you did. Easy to see the game you are playing.
The "didn't challenge the record" bullshit is no defense for your honesty. Your dishonesty was your presentation of the quotes in a purposeful way to implicate rynomaster with the quotes of another person.

I'm going to re-post the post at issue to give you and anyone else an opportunity to point out exactly what is dishonest in any of this. I really look forward to that.

[DevCoder]

I read that link. Again, what are the dishonest posts from rynomster?  There are no dishonest posts from rynomster in that link.
You have wrongly said posts from battbot somehow show dishonesty by rynomster.  This seems dishonest on your part. Please list the dishonest posts by rynomster, not posts by battbot.
I am saying you are being intellectualy dishonest in the way you constructed the OP. You say rynomster is dishonest,  then you list posts made predominantly by battbot and attempt to attribute them to rynomster.  

Please specify anything I've said -- for the most part copied -- that isn't true:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=755834.msg8523524#msg8523524

You have constructed the OP in attemp to implicate rynomster using quotes from battbot. This is a guilt by association falacy. You include rynomster in an undesirable list of quotes made by other people in attempt to implicate him. This is by definition, intellectual dishonesty.

I am presenting the chronology as it was -- and allow readers to draw their own conclusions, which seem obvious to me and many others -- while you repeat vague accusations about my dishonesty. I leave the record to speak for itself. This is what battbot and rynomster said and did when they said and did it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=755834.msg8523524#msg8523524

You included rynomster in an undesirable list of quotes made by other people in attempt to implicate him. This is by definition, intellectual dishonesty.

List the dishonest quotes from rynomster or stop attacking his character.

You clearly dont care at all about honesty or you would not play these games. Im sure this will be abundantly clear to anyone reading these posts.

It is now clear to me that intellectual honesty is not your goal, you are just attempting to bring down an honest man. This is shameful on your part and I will no longer participate.

I think you are afraid of the whole quote. This guy was dead on ^

I just found it redundant - he repeatedly accuses me of dishonesty but doesn't challenge a single part of the historical record:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=755834.msg8523524#msg8523524


I started this thread as open (not moderated, unlike SDC) to allow a free flow of facts/opinion that SDC allies/proxies/sockpuppets like you are desperately trying to supress.

He says you presented the information and quotes dishonestly....you did. Easy to see the game you are playing.
The "didn't challenge the record" bullshit is no defense for your honesty. Your dishonesty was your presentation of the quotes in a purposeful way to implicate rynomaster with the quotes of another person.

Oh BTW, you are yet to answer his challenge. List the dishonest quotes by rynomaster, not the quotes by battbots...of rynomaster. Just list them below so all can see the dishonesty in its rawness.

Noooo, you want to leave the quotes in the context you presented them....that is the dishonesty on your part.

[pawlo74]

Funny, they don't care about battbot reputation anymore, why ?
They try to make them separate.
All SDC tread was so happy that battbot posted his reply.
Not friends any more with battbot ? don't like him ? why ?
Rynomster is a coder so he is even worst than battbot he knew about all problems with Cinni code but he didn't say anything and left in silence.

[sdersdf2]

Funny, they don't care about battbot reputation anymore, why ?
They try to make them separate.
All SDC tread was so happy that battbot posted his reply.
Not friends any more with battbot ? don't like him ? why ?

These guys are laughable and their remarks/behavior just expose them all.

[DevCoder]

Funny, they don't care about battbot reputation anymore, why ?
They try to make them separate.
All SDC tread was so happy that battbot posted his reply.
Not friends any more with battbot ? don't like him ? why ?

I dont know battbots. I do know that the OP is trying to implicate rynomaster with quotes from battbots. OP has the total lack of regard for honesty by attempting to set a contex for rynomaster's quotes where they would appear to be in collusion with battbots. Easy to see. He thinks he is much more smart than he is.

[DevCoder]

I read that link. Again, what are the dishonest posts from rynomster?  There are no dishonest posts from rynomster in that link.
You have wrongly said posts from battbot somehow show dishonesty by rynomster.  This seems dishonest on your part. Please list the dishonest posts by rynomster, not posts by battbot.
I am saying you are being intellectualy dishonest in the way you constructed the OP. You say rynomster is dishonest,  then you list posts made predominantly by battbot and attempt to attribute them to rynomster.  

Please specify anything I've said -- for the most part copied -- that isn't true:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=755834.msg8523524#msg8523524

You have constructed the OP in attemp to implicate rynomster using quotes from battbot. This is a guilt by association falacy. You include rynomster in an undesirable list of quotes made by other people in attempt to implicate him. This is by definition, intellectual dishonesty.

I am presenting the chronology as it was -- and allow readers to draw their own conclusions, which seem obvious to me and many others -- while you repeat vague accusations about my dishonesty. I leave the record to speak for itself. This is what battbot and rynomster said and did when they said and did it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=755834.msg8523524#msg8523524

You included rynomster in an undesirable list of quotes made by other people in attempt to implicate him. This is by definition, intellectual dishonesty.

List the dishonest quotes from rynomster or stop attacking his character.

You clearly dont care at all about honesty or you would not play these games. Im sure this will be abundantly clear to anyone reading these posts.

It is now clear to me that intellectual honesty is not your goal, you are just attempting to bring down an honest man. This is shameful on your part and I will no longer participate.

I think you are afraid of the whole quote. This guy was dead on ^

I just found it redundant - he repeatedly accuses me of dishonesty but doesn't challenge a single part of the historical record:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=755834.msg8523524#msg8523524


I started this thread as open (not moderated, unlike SDC) to allow a free flow of facts/opinion that SDC allies/proxies/sockpuppets like you are desperately trying to supress.

He says you presented the information and quotes dishonestly....you did. Easy to see the game you are playing.
The "didn't challenge the record" bullshit is no defense for your honesty. Your dishonesty was your presentation of the quotes in a purposeful way to implicate rynomaster with the quotes of another person.

Oh BTW, you are yet to answer his challenge. List the dishonest quotes by rynomaster, not the quotes by battbots...of rynomaster. Just list them below so all can see the dishonesty in its rawness.

Noooo, you want to leave the quotes in the context you presented them....that is the dishonesty on your part.

This dumbfuck OP is afraid you will see this.^

[sdersdf2]

Funny, they don't care about battbot reputation anymore, why ?
They try to make them separate.
All SDC tread was so happy that battbot posted his reply.
Not friends any more with battbot ? don't like him ? why ?

I dont know battbots. I do know that the OP is trying to implicate rynomaster with quotes from battbots. OP has the total lack of regard for honesty by attempting to set a contex for rynomaster's quotes where they would appear to be in collusion with battbots. Easy to see. He thinks he is much more smart than he is.

Sorry DevCode but:

Rynomster is a coder so he is even worst than battbot he knew about all problems with Cinni code but he didn't say anything and left in silence.

How you call it HONESTY ?

I didn't even focus on the bug issue - the anon tech stuff alone is damning - but good point.

[sdersdf2]

He says you presented the information and quotes dishonestly....you did. Easy to see the game you are playing.
The "didn't challenge the record" bullshit is no defense for your honesty. Your dishonesty was your presentation of the quotes in a purposeful way to implicate rynomaster with the quotes of another person.

Oh BTW, you are yet to answer his challenge. List the dishonest quotes by rynomaster, not the quotes by battbots...of rynomaster. Just list them below so all can see the dishonesty in its rawness.

Noooo, you want to leave the quotes in the context you presented them....that is the dishonesty on your part.

This dumbfuck OP is afraid you will see this.^

Maybe because you added it after I responded to the previous version.
This is an open, unmoderated thread - nothing is hidden here. This isn't the censored Shadowcoin thread. Don't you get it?

People are free to visit the CINNI thread to see all the message traffic that was going back and forth, including the many reassurances that were repeatedly given to CINNI investors to hold on to their coins - that development was ongoing.. until it wasn't.

I challenge anyone to look at the history I posted and look at the full CINNI thread and maintain that my simmary isn't an accurate summation of that facts. Someone else here even complained my copy-paste of the history was too long.

Oh, and keep posting and raising the post and view count - and therefore the visibility - of this thread. I'll leave it to other readers to conclude who's the dumbass here (and a rather vulgar one).

[DevCoder]

Cinnicoin Trolls -  stop the smear campaign  

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=700087.msg8142514#msg8142514

"I was not the original developer of CinniCoin, I just built the encrypted messaging system. My team and I decided to create the ShadowCoin project so we would have the freedom to implement our innovations as we saw best."

-rynomster


Situations change as time passes. It's pretty clear to almost everyone that Rynomster was not in control of the development path at CINNI because he was not the original dev. He probably had ideas not in line with the CINNI dev so he made his own coin....there is no problem with that.

It is time you give the man the respect he deserves. The ShadowCoin EM and Stealth projects are open source, you can check for yourself that the code is original. Use the ShadowCoin EM and stealth system, or the full feature staking android and iOS wallets, you will see they work flawlessly. Time for you trolls to respect a real developer and stop this smear campaign.



The OP is being dishonest in the way he constructed this "history". The OP is attempting to implicate rynomster by using quotes from battbot.

You have constructed the OP in attempt to implicate rynomster using quotes from battbot. This is called a guilt by association fallacy. You include rynomster in an undesirable list of quotes made by other people in attempt to implicate him. This is by definition, intellectual dishonesty.

You included rynomster in an undesirable list of quotes made by other people in attempt to slander him.

List the dishonest quotes from rynomster or stop attacking his character.

You clearly dont care at all about honesty or you would not play these games. Im sure this will be abundantly clear to anyone reading these posts.

[sdersdf2]

Funny, they don't care about battbot reputation anymore, why ?
They try to make them separate.
All SDC tread was so happy that battbot posted his reply.
Not friends any more with battbot ? don't like him ? why ?

I dont know battbots. I do know that the OP is trying to implicate rynomaster with quotes from battbots. OP has the total lack of regard for honesty by attempting to set a contex for rynomaster's quotes where they would appear to be in collusion with battbots. Easy to see. He thinks he is much more smart than he is.

Sorry DevCode but:

Rynomster is a coder so he is even worst than battbot he knew about all problems with Cinni code but he didn't say anything and left in silence.

How you call it HONESTY ?

I didn't even focus on the bug issue - the anon tech stuff alone is damning - but good point.

No. That is the point Rynomster fixed MAJOR Cinni Pos bug.

Is that makes him honest ?

I guess I consider the anon tech the "original sin", and I'm much more familiar with the facts in that story, but you're right - from what little I've read of the bug allegations, including what rynomster told cryptoasian, that bug issue might be a much bigger, much more serious and much more fundamental issue than the anon tech issue I'm most familiar with.

If the facts on that matter are 100%, feel free to post another thread to get the truth out there.

[DevCoder]

Funny, they don't care about battbot reputation anymore, why ?
They try to make them separate.
All SDC tread was so happy that battbot posted his reply.
Not friends any more with battbot ? don't like him ? why ?

I dont know battbots. I do know that the OP is trying to implicate rynomaster with quotes from battbots. OP has the total lack of regard for honesty by attempting to set a contex for rynomaster's quotes where they would appear to be in collusion with battbots. Easy to see. He thinks he is much more smart than he is.

Sorry DevCode but:

Rynomster is a coder so he is even worst than battbot he knew about all problems with Cinni code but he didn't say anything and left in silence.

How you call it HONESTY ?

I didn't even focus on the bug issue - the anon tech stuff alone is damning - but good point.

No. That is the point Rynomster fixed MAJOR Cinni Pos bug.

Is that makes him honest ?

I guess I consider the anon tech the "original sin", and I'm much more familiar with the facts in that story, but you're right - from what little I've read of the bug allegations, including what rynomster told cryptoasian, that bug issue might be a much bigger, much more serious and much more fundamental issue than the anon tech issue I'm most familiar with.

If the facts on that matter are 100%, feel free to post another thread to get the truth out there.

Even cinnidev said rynomaster fixed the one staking bug. There are many more because cinni code is garbage.  You are such tools.

[pawlo74]

Funny, they don't care about battbot reputation anymore, why ?
They try to make them separate.
All SDC tread was so happy that battbot posted his reply.
Not friends any more with battbot ? don't like him ? why ?

I dont know battbots. I do know that the OP is trying to implicate rynomaster with quotes from battbots. OP has the total lack of regard for honesty by attempting to set a contex for rynomaster's quotes where they would appear to be in collusion with battbots. Easy to see. He thinks he is much more smart than he is.

Sorry DevCode but:

Rynomster is a coder so he is even worst than battbot he knew about all problems with Cinni code but he didn't say anything and left in silence.

How you call it HONESTY ?

I didn't even focus on the bug issue - the anon tech stuff alone is damning - but good point.

No. That is the point Rynomster fixed MAJOR Cinni Pos bug.

Is that makes him honest ?

I guess I consider the anon tech the "original sin", and I'm much more familiar with the facts in that story, but you're right - from what little I've read of the bug allegations, including what rynomster told cryptoasian, that bug issue might be a much bigger, much more serious and much more fundamental issue than the anon tech issue I'm most familiar with.

If the facts on that matter are 100%, feel free to post another thread to get the truth out there.

Even cinnidev said rynomaster fixed the one staking bug. There are many more because cinni code is garbage.  You are such tools.

DevCove please ask digit about it I think he is an expert with that issue.

And that is why all started.

[DevCoder]

I read that link. Again, what are the dishonest posts from rynomster?  There are no dishonest posts from rynomster in that link.
You have wrongly said posts from battbot somehow show dishonesty by rynomster.  This seems dishonest on your part. Please list the dishonest posts by rynomster, not posts by battbot.
I am saying you are being intellectualy dishonest in the way you constructed the OP. You say rynomster is dishonest,  then you list posts made predominantly by battbot and attempt to attribute them to rynomster.  

Please specify anything I've said -- for the most part copied -- that isn't true:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=755834.msg8523524#msg8523524

You have constructed the OP in attemp to implicate rynomster using quotes from battbot. This is a guilt by association falacy. You include rynomster in an undesirable list of quotes made by other people in attempt to implicate him. This is by definition, intellectual dishonesty.

I am presenting the chronology as it was -- and allow readers to draw their own conclusions, which seem obvious to me and many others -- while you repeat vague accusations about my dishonesty. I leave the record to speak for itself. This is what battbot and rynomster said and did when they said and did it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=755834.msg8523524#msg8523524

You included rynomster in an undesirable list of quotes made by other people in attempt to implicate him. This is by definition, intellectual dishonesty.

List the dishonest quotes from rynomster or stop attacking his character.

You clearly dont care at all about honesty or you would not play these games. Im sure this will be abundantly clear to anyone reading these posts.

It is now clear to me that intellectual honesty is not your goal, you are just attempting to bring down an honest man. This is shameful on your part and I will no longer participate.

I think you are afraid of the whole quote. This guy was dead on ^

I just found it redundant - he repeatedly accuses me of dishonesty but doesn't challenge a single part of the historical record:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=755834.msg8523524#msg8523524


I started this thread as open (not moderated, unlike SDC) to allow a free flow of facts/opinion that SDC allies/proxies/sockpuppets like you are desperately trying to supress.

He says you presented the information and quotes dishonestly....you did. Easy to see the game you are playing.
The "didn't challenge the record" bullshit is no defense for your honesty. Your dishonesty was your presentation of the quotes in a purposeful way to implicate rynomaster with the quotes of another person.

Oh BTW, you are yet to answer his challenge. List the dishonest quotes by rynomaster, not the quotes by battbots...of rynomaster. Just list them below so all can see the dishonesty in its rawness.

Noooo, you want to leave the quotes in the context you presented them....and you have the nerve to try to claim the high road. You are a slander and a lier.

[sdersdf2]

DevCove please ask digit about it I think he is an expert with that issue.

And that is why all started.

Are you kidding? This guy isn't interested in the truth - only in insulting people and doing whatever else he thinks he needs to do to defend rynomster and Shadowcoin. By all means, feel free to ask digit to comment on this thread. Again, I'm most familiar with the anon tech issue - not the bug issue which, if 100% true, may be much more serious/fundamental than what I've been talking about.

[DevCoder]

I read that link. Again, what are the dishonest posts from rynomster?  There are no dishonest posts from rynomster in that link.
You have wrongly said posts from battbot somehow show dishonesty by rynomster.  This seems dishonest on your part. Please list the dishonest posts by rynomster, not posts by battbot.
I am saying you are being intellectualy dishonest in the way you constructed the OP. You say rynomster is dishonest,  then you list posts made predominantly by battbot and attempt to attribute them to rynomster.  

Please specify anything I've said -- for the most part copied -- that isn't true:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=755834.msg8523524#msg8523524

You have constructed the OP in attemp to implicate rynomster using quotes from battbot. This is a guilt by association falacy. You include rynomster in an undesirable list of quotes made by other people in attempt to implicate him. This is by definition, intellectual dishonesty.

I am presenting the chronology as it was -- and allow readers to draw their own conclusions, which seem obvious to me and many others -- while you repeat vague accusations about my dishonesty. I leave the record to speak for itself. This is what battbot and rynomster said and did when they said and did it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=755834.msg8523524#msg8523524

You included rynomster in an undesirable list of quotes made by other people in attempt to implicate him. This is by definition, intellectual dishonesty.

List the dishonest quotes from rynomster or stop attacking his character.

You clearly dont care at all about honesty or you would not play these games. Im sure this will be abundantly clear to anyone reading these posts.

It is now clear to me that intellectual honesty is not your goal, you are just attempting to bring down an honest man. This is shameful on your part and I will no longer participate.

I think you are afraid of the whole quote. This guy was dead on ^

I just found it redundant - he repeatedly accuses me of dishonesty but doesn't challenge a single part of the historical record:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=755834.msg8523524#msg8523524


I started this thread as open (not moderated, unlike SDC) to allow a free flow of facts/opinion that SDC allies/proxies/sockpuppets like you are desperately trying to supress.

He says you presented the information and quotes dishonestly....you did. Easy to see the game you are playing.
The "didn't challenge the record" bullshit is no defense for your honesty. Your dishonesty was your presentation of the quotes in a purposeful way to implicate rynomaster with the quotes of another person.

Oh BTW, you are yet to answer his challenge. List the dishonest quotes by rynomaster, not the quotes by battbots...of rynomaster. Just list them below so all can see the dishonesty in its rawness.

Noooo, you want to leave the quotes in the context you presented them....and you have the nerve to try to claim the high road. You are a slander and a lier.

[sdersdf2]

Tennis again, eh, "DevCoder"? I love tennis.

[sdersdf2]

This thread is getting repeated accusations of dishonesty from some users (apparently SDC/Shadowcoin enthusiasts/proxies/sock-puppets, judging from their post history). I'm reposting, for readers'/lukers' convenience, the key post here to give anyone an opportunity to point out what is dishonest about anything I've written (mostly copy/pasted) below.

The full CINNI thread is available to anyone to review here -- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=573232.5260 -- for anyone to check against my summary/copy-paste. Links to the individual posts are also included down below, so people can access as much of the original context as they'd like.


This is an open, unmoderated, uncensored forum where open discussion is allowed and welcomed.

The truth

Too many words.You can give us a brife version.I think not many people will look through the whole posts.

TDLR: Battbot and Rynomster are trying to whitewash the past, either directly or through allies, proxies and/or sockpuppets such as DevCoder (a newbie account created just a few days ago with the apparent goal of attacking any perceived threats to SDC: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=367991).

They're claiming that they left Cinnicoin in good faith with no obligation to deliver anon tech (that later showed up in rynomster's new Shadowcoin project). The truth is that before they left CINNI they spent weeks hyping development of this anon tech to the CINNI community. Basically, they misled the community into thinking they were developing unique anon tech for CINNI -- 100% decentralised, trustless -- while likely dumping their CINNI portfolios (every attempt the coin made at a rally was dumped on) before both suddenly departed around the same time for "personal"/"family" reasons. Weeks later, the tech turns up in rynomster's new coin Shadowcoin.

Don't care about that anymore, but I do care that battbot (and to a lesser extent rynomster either directly or through his proxies) are trying to whitewash this history. I think anyone who deals with these guys going forward should be informed about this history - and in their own words.

Hope that was brief enough. See CINNI thread for more sordid details:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=573232.5260
It's all there - err, until they delete it, but they cant delete copies and "Re:" responses to those posts and references to their usernames by others.

Others can come to their own judgements about their character after reading their words - before and since their departures from CINNI, including their current round of attempted (and utterly failed) whitewashing.



Battbot and rynomster in their own words (no "opinions" or "interpretations" or "editorialising"). Straight from the horses mouths.

This isn't "FUD" or "SPAM" - it's the history you might want to know about these devs to be better informed buyers.

Full details: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=573232.msg8510089#msg8510089

June 1:

Announcement!

As promised, the encrypted messaging update will be released within ten to fourteen days. Included in this release is a one of a kind robust encrypted messaging system that is a first in crypto-currency. This system is a framework or protocol within the wallet that allows applications to be built upon it as needed by users. The release will have applications already built upon this framework, these applications will position CINNI as the leading crypto-currency in point of sale systems for both eCommerce and brick and mortar stores. (screen shots of the updated GUI will be available this week)

Included in this release are essential tools to conduct secure encrypted point of sale commerce and are all a first in crypto currency:

1) Encrypted messaging system in client with wallet to wallet messaging platform.
2) Encrypted order form sent wallet to wallet.
3) Encrypted invoice generation sent wallet to wallet.
4) Encrypted receipt delivery sent wallet to wallet.

Future release...est 3-6 weeks.
 
1) Combined wallet for both BTC and CINNI with multiple currency exchange rate support. (this will be the first ever in crypto-currency and will assist point of sale)
2) In wallet chat room.

Future release...est 4-14 weeks. (With this release we will become the best option in crypto-currency as a point of sale solution)

1) A second wallet designed as a "retail wallet" in addition to the "consumer wallet". This wallet is designed specifically for retail eCommerce businesses and is built on the encrypted messaging platform. (this will be the first "retail wallet" ever in crypto-currency and will lead to rapid merchant adoption of CINNI as a form of payment.)
2) Inventory management system for tracking supply in wallet client.
3) SKU number assignment with SKU pricing in wallet client.
4) Full receivables and reporting features in wallet client.
5) QR code generation in wallet client.
6) Export option into accounting software (i.e. Quickbooks, ect.)

Future release...est 12-18 weeks. (This will be an update on the routing of encrypted messages)

1) Optional anonymity features for "consumer wallet". This would allow for anonymity or (dark) send features similar to DRK coin or XC coin system.
2) Optional anonymization of data and messages. This system will use "messagenodes" combined with "masternodes" in the dark send feature. The "messagenodes" and "masternodes" will be paid in transaction fees and will be required to provide "proof of stake" by holding CINNI in wallets developing coin age (more details will follow).

Darkcoin and XC coin only anonymize half of the transaction (the actual transfer of payment). The communication between buyer and seller is left wide open and can be intercepted by a third party. There are ways to mitigate the communication risk however the communication risk to anonymity remains more significant than the payment risk to anonymity. The system being developed at CINNI will use the encrypted messaging system to allow CINNI to become the first ever completely anonymous transaction system.

June 5:

These people selling are stupid 

As one who is directly involved with the coders + development of the upcoming wallet -- yes, people selling now will be very sad, very soon.

June 7:

To anyone buying this...kudos, but I hope you know that cinnicoin is releasing a Wallet this weekend with anon encrypted messaging plus anon transfers, and it will be NON beta

June 7:

Hey guys, just a correction to a statement I made earlier -- the new wallet releasing soon will only have anonymous encrypted messaging / invoicing etc features, as reported in the announcement below. I received a report from the coders today but mistakingly read that anon transfers would be in this release. Although anon transfers are currently in development, it will come at a later wallet update. I apologize for the confusion (I am still traveling across the United States so It's been hard to stay well connected this past week. My travels end tomorrow.)

With that being said, expect more info on the upcoming wallet release very soon! 

June 9:

Is there any announcement today?

There was announcement that all going as planned, and new wallet will be released this week.

Cinni's EM feature will be anonymous as well as the transactions (but anon transfers will be added in a second update soon to follow). 

I just spoke to the coders and I should be able to update everyone sometime today with a fairly accurate release date for the wallet with anon encrypted messaging.  Also, I have asked the coders to provide me with a whitepaper as well as a screen-capture video that demos & explains the anon EM feature (these will be posted prior to release).

Edit** Whitepaper and Video should be finished and posted here by this evening (EST)
 
It is 100% new code.  Also, it will not face any of the bloat issues that VRC is currently dealing with.  VRC crashed after ~1000 messages were sent in a period of a few minutes.  We have tested successfully multiple times of near 2000 messages on our system sent within a 20 second period -- and no issues whatsoever.  But it should also be noted that our EM system is uniquely different from VRC (which only sends money transfers via SMS, unless I am mistaken).  Cinni's anon Encrypted Messaging system will revolution the way wallets are used.   

Greater detail will be provided today with the WP and demo video of the method we use for EM and how it works.

June 9:

There is currently no other coin (to my knowledge) that has a working encrypted messaging feature built into the wallet.  So, Cinni would be the first.  Also, yes, the EM feature will be anonymous as well as the transactions (but anon transfers will be added in a second update soon to follow). 

I just spoke to the coders and I should be able to update everyone sometime today with a fairly accurate release date for the wallet with anon encrypted messaging.  Also, I have asked the coders to provide me with a whitepaper as well as a screen-capture video that demos & explains the anon EM feature (these will be posted prior to release).

Edit** Whitepaper and Video should be finished and posted here by this evening (EST)

June 10:

***UPDATE***

Anon Encrypted Messaging

EM White-paper: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10793660/wp.pdf
EM Wallet Demo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTjp6e7RDZo
(another video will be uploaded likely tomorrow going in greater detail)

Target Release Date: Thursday, June 12th

***Sneak-peak Update***

(posted earlier today)

Here is a basic breakdown of how Cinni's anon Encrypted Messaging feature will work (An in-depth explanation will be provided later tonight with release of the white paper):

Cinnicoin Encrypted Messaging Details:

Basic Method:

• The Elliptic Curve Diffie-Hellman (ECDH) key exchange method is used to share a secret key between the sender and receiver.
• The sender generates the secret key using a newly generated random private key and the recipient's public key.
• The payload is encrypted using AES-256-CBC with the first 32 bytes of the SHA512 hash of the secret key.
• If not sending anonymously the sender's address and compact signature are included in the payload.
• The encrypted payload and the public key of the newly generated keypair are sent to the recipient. The recipient generates the same secret key with their private key that matches the public key used by the sender and the public key included in the message.
• The payload is decrypted using the hashed secret key.
• The encrypted messages are stored on the filesytem in buckets by time and distributed to all nodes.
• It is not possible to tell the sender or receiver of the message from the encrypted message without having the private key of the recipient. [1]
• The messages are stored for 48 hours and are then deleted.
• Each node checks every message received from the network against all the addresses it owns. If a match is found a copy of the encrypted message is stored in the node's inbox database.

Additional Features:

• When not sending anonymously the sender's compact signature not only verifies that the message came from the owner of the address, but also enables the public key to be recovered allowing the recipient to reply even if the sender's address has no public key in the blockchain.
• Incoming transaction blocks are scanned for public keys.

(Again, this is just a basic explanation of what is already implemented in the wallet to be released this week.  A screen-cap video that demos & explains Cinni's EM feature will be released shortly alongside the WP)

June 13:

Anonymous Transfer White-paper

(100% true anonymity)

Here is a link to the promised white-paper for anon transfers (which will be uniquely built upon Cinni's EM platform - this method will offer 100% true anonymity, currently not offered in either DRK or XC):
https://www.mediafire.com/?49w5yo2cy7my4xr

(This feature is already in active development.  More details to be revealed soon)

Encrypted Messaging Wallets:

Here is the long awaited EM client. There will be a release to follow, which will include the invoicing, receipts, as well as various minor fixes.
Download and enjoy your new encrypted messages.
Windows
Linux

EM White-paper: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10793660/wp.pdf
EM Wallet Demos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTjp6e7RDZo & https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGpxCcAWz4o&feature=youtu.be

***Announcement***

(posted earlier today)

Update: EM wallets will be released within the next 1-2 hours.  For this release -- only Windows and Linux wallets will be compiled, and we will work on getting MAC wallet ASAP  (Originally this info was to be announced with the wallet updates, but I am making this announcement now because I have a meeting in 10 minutes and will not be around when we release the wallet).


Active Development:
Our Encrypted Messaging system will be the framework by which all future development will be built upon.  Here is a list of active development that will be built upon the EM platform:

   • Mobile wallets that fully support all features which are built into the desktop/PC wallets.
   • A combined Cinni/BTC wallet & Point of sale retailer system [1]
   • Anonymous Transfer System (will offer unprecedented 100% true anonymity uniquely built upon the EM platform) [2]

Notes*
   1. The idea behind the point of sale system and the combined Cinni/BTC wallet is that many retailers are accepting BTC but very few are accepting any alts.  Our goal is to make a point of sale system designed toward retailers that want to accept BTC.  We will offer this system for free, and bundle Cinni with it.  This way, Cinni can have a door into retailers.
   2. Because of Cinni’s unique EM platform, our method for Cinni’s anonymous transfer system, which will be built upon the EM platform, will offer unprecedented 100% true anonymity.  This is currently not something that even DRK or XC can offer.  We will release a white-paper with in-depth details on our method tonight sometime after the wallets are released.

(Greater details on everything here will be provided soon)

June 13:

My hope is that people understand the significance of the 100% true anon transfer feature that we are actively developing on the EM platform just released today.  100% true anonymity is something speculated to NOT be developed until 2015 or later.  This is a BIG DEAL.

June 13:

Evan of DRK recently said that, and I count him a pretty sound voice on anon tech.  Also, Cinni's ETA is less than 1 month until release of it's anon transfers (as I stated earlier).

June 13:

Both Monero and Cryptonote are not 100% anonymous -- transactions can still be traced (with some effort) in the blockchain.  Cinni's anon transfer does not operate on the blockchain, but outside of it.  Please read the whitepaper before you are making these statements -- everything is explained there in some detail.

June 13:

This is not correct.  ALL anon coins in existence right now do NOT offer 100% truly anonymous solutions.  Evan from DRK and Dan of XC will and have admitted to this.  Cinni's proposed method built uniquely upon the EM platform will be 100% truly anonymous (see whitepaper).  And yes, our ETA is ~ a few weeks.

June 13:

My hope is that people understand the significance of the 100% true anon transfer feature that we are actively developing on the EM platform just released today.  100% true anonymity is something speculated to NOT be developed until 2015 or later.  This is a BIG DEAL.

Disagree, zerocash ETA is in 3-6 months.

Our ETA is less than 1 month away.  We will have this out in a few weeks, or sooner.

June 14:

Dumping doesn't matter, IMO.  EM Invoice / receipts are being released this weekend.  And 100% true anon transfers will be released in 2-3 weeks.


But it would probably help the buy support more if I told everyone that we are currently working on a feature that cures cancer.

June 14

Hehe the problems is us Devs are doing what us Devs do we are developing.
I think our main focus right now is having a solid solution, then we can market it hard
We need lots of help from the community, and we are grateful to have such a good community.
After our next wallet release (scheduled for tomorrow evening), which will include a ton of bug fixes and new features, we will be focusing on anonymous transactions.
It would be great if someone in the community could make a promo video

The community is doing loads of work as it stands. This project is almost entirely community driven.
Logos, websites, cinnichain, and almost everything surrounding this coin has come from the community, which in turn are the investors too.

There is more than just investing bitcoin into CINNI on an exchange, yes buying CINNI is investing, but investing time into it is our way of investing, as we don't have the funds to go and buy CINNI, so we have to strengthen the CINNI that we do have

June 24:

Anonymous Transfer

Up next will be Cinni's anon transfers which will be uniquely built upon Cinni's EM platform. 

Our method will use CINNI's Encrypted Messaging system and onion routing (similar to TOR) in combination with “reserve relay nodes," to enable completely anonymous transfers/payments within the blockchain system.  This method will offer 100% true anonymity.

See white-paper:
https://www.mediafire.com/?49w5yo2cy7my4xr

June 26:

well it is opensource, and I am a dev on the team, but cinnidev is still my superior I guess.
I think Cinnidev would probably be the best person to talk to, as I am actively involved in about 4 projects at any given time for the past few years.
Cinnidev really loves his coin, enough to have gotten me on board as well, so he is definitely the guy to talk to
CinniCoin is the only coin I've worked on, and the only coin I probably will work on

July 4:

I have a good feelingabout tthis coin. Sooner or later it will pop. Dont forget drk was at 4 btc volume a day before the rise . I'll be losing at around $25000 + if cinni devs don't deliver but I think this coin is great. I also like how the devs don't release announments just for the sake of making the price go up. Very respectful and honorable to their commitment in making an anonymous transfer coin.

The current price will hover around this level for another 2 weeks or so, maybe hitting a bottom of 4500... as intended then we will see some sparks flying. I don't think we will get any dev updates for about 2 weeks. So good buying time.

2 weeks?

Maybe less. I guess the devs are playing a smart game not giving any release date. Perhaps this comes tomorrow, by the end of the week, or in more than two. We just don't know anything...

Here's a msg from Rynomster last week:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=573232.msg7552014#msg7552014

There is loads of calculations that need to be done, and we are trying to get beyond the point of obfuscation.
It's really easy in theory, but in reality you don't know how its going to work out, and who is going to be online by the time the transactions are created.
With a 15s blocktime it is really difficult in a p2p network, as you never know who you will be communicating with.

Its a really mind blowing concept, and a real challenge, which is why we are taking our time to finalize the actual concept in the R&D phase.

From there onwards its going to be a quick and easy implementation.
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July 6:

bye bye cinni.... 

Rynomster is on IRC.  I'm talking with him, the dev team is absolutely not running away.

Just a tiny update for us loyal investors?

It's hard, i cannot say much, but it definitely seems like everything is fine regarding CINNI's development. If anyone still feels scared of dev is gone fud, just go on IRC to calme down, like that you'll see that everything is alright.

##Cinnicoin

I'm sure that Cinnicoin will make an update soon.

July 6:

Investors need to know when will be any update? Why Rynomster has not written anything here?

I PM'd him for an update, and he sent back a very friendly note, the same day, saying he'd been away, was now back and would get caught up before writing back with an update. That was about 5 days ago and I havent yet heard back.


July 6:

Investors need to know when will be any update? Why Rynomster has not written anything here?

He was on IRC, but i guess he didn't want to post since it was 1st, no time to worry, 2nd if Cinnicoin had ran away he would had been as shocked as us obviously.  He actually told me that posting something just for the sake of calming would be lying.

See how much morality do our devs have guys

July 7:

It was yesterday on IRC.
Rynomster also told me he asked Cinnicoin some time for himself due to personal issues. But he was definitely still holding Cinni and paying interest to the coin!

Anyone with an interest in making a clean exit from the coin at a better price would say that, including that "marketing" guy who was hyperbullish on CINNI... before he left.


July 8:

Hi everyone,

As you may or may not have noticed, I have been fairly inactive lately -- my apologies for this.  There is really no easy way to say this, however, due to life circumstances, I am no longer able to act as community manager for CinniCoin (please remember that I was only a volunteer and not part of the original dev team).  CinniCoin (dev) is still working on projects for this coin.  However, I am no longer able to devote my time and energy to it.

If the community has or does find a replacement, I will be glad to hand over the twitter account.  Just send me a PM.

Thanks, and I wish CinniCoin all the best.

And that's before saying anything about the bug issue.

[DevCoder]

I read that link. Again, what are the dishonest posts from rynomster?  There are no dishonest posts from rynomster in that link.
You have wrongly said posts from battbot somehow show dishonesty by rynomster.  This seems dishonest on your part. Please list the dishonest posts by rynomster, not posts by battbot.
I am saying you are being intellectualy dishonest in the way you constructed the OP. You say rynomster is dishonest,  then you list posts made predominantly by battbot and attempt to attribute them to rynomster.  

Please specify anything I've said -- for the most part copied -- that isn't true:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=755834.msg8523524#msg8523524

You have constructed the OP in attemp to implicate rynomster using quotes from battbot. This is a guilt by association falacy. You include rynomster in an undesirable list of quotes made by other people in attempt to implicate him. This is by definition, intellectual dishonesty.

I am presenting the chronology as it was -- and allow readers to draw their own conclusions, which seem obvious to me and many others -- while you repeat vague accusations about my dishonesty. I leave the record to speak for itself. This is what battbot and rynomster said and did when they said and did it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=755834.msg8523524#msg8523524

You included rynomster in an undesirable list of quotes made by other people in attempt to implicate him. This is by definition, intellectual dishonesty.

List the dishonest quotes from rynomster or stop attacking his character.

You clearly dont care at all about honesty or you would not play these games. Im sure this will be abundantly clear to anyone reading these posts.

It is now clear to me that intellectual honesty is not your goal, you are just attempting to bring down an honest man. This is shameful on your part and I will no longer participate.

I think you are afraid of the whole quote. This guy was dead on ^

I just found it redundant - he repeatedly accuses me of dishonesty but doesn't challenge a single part of the historical record:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=755834.msg8523524#msg8523524


I started this thread as open (not moderated, unlike SDC) to allow a free flow of facts/opinion that SDC allies/proxies/sockpuppets like you are desperately trying to supress.

He says you presented the information and quotes dishonestly....you did. Easy to see the game you are playing.
The "didn't challenge the record" bullshit is no defense for your honesty. Your dishonesty was your presentation of the quotes in a purposeful way to implicate rynomaster with the quotes of another person.

Oh BTW, you are yet to answer his challenge. List the dishonest quotes by rynomaster, not the quotes by battbots...of rynomaster. Just list them below so all can see the dishonesty in its rawness.

Noooo, you want to leave the quotes in the context you presented them....and you have the nerve to try to claim the high road. You are a slander and a lier.

[sdersdf2]

This thread is getting repeated accusations of dishonesty from some users (apparently SDC/Shadowcoin enthusiasts/proxies/sock-puppets, judging from their post history). I'm reposting, for readers'/lukers' convenience, the key post here to give anyone an opportunity to point out what is dishonest about anything I've written (mostly copy/pasted) below.

The full CINNI thread is available to anyone to review here -- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=573232.5260 -- for anyone to check against my summary/copy-paste. Links to the individual posts are also included down below, so people can access as much of the original context as they'd like.


This is an open, unmoderated, uncensored forum where open discussion is allowed and welcomed.

The truth

Too many words.You can give us a brife version.I think not many people will look through the whole posts.

TDLR: Battbot and Rynomster are trying to whitewash the past, either directly or through allies, proxies and/or sockpuppets such as DevCoder (a newbie account created just a few days ago with the apparent goal of attacking any perceived threats to SDC: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=367991).

They're claiming that they left Cinnicoin in good faith with no obligation to deliver anon tech (that later showed up in rynomster's new Shadowcoin project). The truth is that before they left CINNI they spent weeks hyping development of this anon tech to the CINNI community. Basically, they misled the community into thinking they were developing unique anon tech for CINNI -- 100% decentralised, trustless -- while likely dumping their CINNI portfolios (every attempt the coin made at a rally was dumped on) before both suddenly departed around the same time for "personal"/"family" reasons. Weeks later, the tech turns up in rynomster's new coin Shadowcoin.

Don't care about that anymore, but I do care that battbot (and to a lesser extent rynomster either directly or through his proxies) are trying to whitewash this history. I think anyone who deals with these guys going forward should be informed about this history - and in their own words.

Hope that was brief enough. See CINNI thread for more sordid details:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=573232.5260
It's all there - err, until they delete it, but they cant delete copies and "Re:" responses to those posts and references to their usernames by others.

Others can come to their own judgements about their character after reading their words - before and since their departures from CINNI, including their current round of attempted (and utterly failed) whitewashing.



Battbot and rynomster in their own words (no "opinions" or "interpretations" or "editorialising"). Straight from the horses mouths.

This isn't "FUD" or "SPAM" - it's the history you might want to know about these devs to be better informed buyers.

Full details: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=573232.msg8510089#msg8510089

June 1:

Announcement!

As promised, the encrypted messaging update will be released within ten to fourteen days. Included in this release is a one of a kind robust encrypted messaging system that is a first in crypto-currency. This system is a framework or protocol within the wallet that allows applications to be built upon it as needed by users. The release will have applications already built upon this framework, these applications will position CINNI as the leading crypto-currency in point of sale systems for both eCommerce and brick and mortar stores. (screen shots of the updated GUI will be available this week)

Included in this release are essential tools to conduct secure encrypted point of sale commerce and are all a first in crypto currency:

1) Encrypted messaging system in client with wallet to wallet messaging platform.
2) Encrypted order form sent wallet to wallet.
3) Encrypted invoice generation sent wallet to wallet.
4) Encrypted receipt delivery sent wallet to wallet.

Future release...est 3-6 weeks.
 
1) Combined wallet for both BTC and CINNI with multiple currency exchange rate support. (this will be the first ever in crypto-currency and will assist point of sale)
2) In wallet chat room.

Future release...est 4-14 weeks. (With this release we will become the best option in crypto-currency as a point of sale solution)

1) A second wallet designed as a "retail wallet" in addition to the "consumer wallet". This wallet is designed specifically for retail eCommerce businesses and is built on the encrypted messaging platform. (this will be the first "retail wallet" ever in crypto-currency and will lead to rapid merchant adoption of CINNI as a form of payment.)
2) Inventory management system for tracking supply in wallet client.
3) SKU number assignment with SKU pricing in wallet client.
4) Full receivables and reporting features in wallet client.
5) QR code generation in wallet client.
6) Export option into accounting software (i.e. Quickbooks, ect.)

Future release...est 12-18 weeks. (This will be an update on the routing of encrypted messages)

1) Optional anonymity features for "consumer wallet". This would allow for anonymity or (dark) send features similar to DRK coin or XC coin system.
2) Optional anonymization of data and messages. This system will use "messagenodes" combined with "masternodes" in the dark send feature. The "messagenodes" and "masternodes" will be paid in transaction fees and will be required to provide "proof of stake" by holding CINNI in wallets developing coin age (more details will follow).

Darkcoin and XC coin only anonymize half of the transaction (the actual transfer of payment). The communication between buyer and seller is left wide open and can be intercepted by a third party. There are ways to mitigate the communication risk however the communication risk to anonymity remains more significant than the payment risk to anonymity. The system being developed at CINNI will use the encrypted messaging system to allow CINNI to become the first ever completely anonymous transaction system.

June 5:

These people selling are stupid 

As one who is directly involved with the coders + development of the upcoming wallet -- yes, people selling now will be very sad, very soon.

June 7:

To anyone buying this...kudos, but I hope you know that cinnicoin is releasing a Wallet this weekend with anon encrypted messaging plus anon transfers, and it will be NON beta

June 7:

Hey guys, just a correction to a statement I made earlier -- the new wallet releasing soon will only have anonymous encrypted messaging / invoicing etc features, as reported in the announcement below. I received a report from the coders today but mistakingly read that anon transfers would be in this release. Although anon transfers are currently in development, it will come at a later wallet update. I apologize for the confusion (I am still traveling across the United States so It's been hard to stay well connected this past week. My travels end tomorrow.)

With that being said, expect more info on the upcoming wallet release very soon! 

June 9:

Is there any announcement today?

There was announcement that all going as planned, and new wallet will be released this week.

Cinni's EM feature will be anonymous as well as the transactions (but anon transfers will be added in a second update soon to follow). 

I just spoke to the coders and I should be able to update everyone sometime today with a fairly accurate release date for the wallet with anon encrypted messaging.  Also, I have asked the coders to provide me with a whitepaper as well as a screen-capture video that demos & explains the anon EM feature (these will be posted prior to release).

Edit** Whitepaper and Video should be finished and posted here by this evening (EST)
 
It is 100% new code.  Also, it will not face any of the bloat issues that VRC is currently dealing with.  VRC crashed after ~1000 messages were sent in a period of a few minutes.  We have tested successfully multiple times of near 2000 messages on our system sent within a 20 second period -- and no issues whatsoever.  But it should also be noted that our EM system is uniquely different from VRC (which only sends money transfers via SMS, unless I am mistaken).  Cinni's anon Encrypted Messaging system will revolution the way wallets are used.   

Greater detail will be provided today with the WP and demo video of the method we use for EM and how it works.

June 9:

There is currently no other coin (to my knowledge) that has a working encrypted messaging feature built into the wallet.  So, Cinni would be the first.  Also, yes, the EM feature will be anonymous as well as the transactions (but anon transfers will be added in a second update soon to follow). 

I just spoke to the coders and I should be able to update everyone sometime today with a fairly accurate release date for the wallet with anon encrypted messaging.  Also, I have asked the coders to provide me with a whitepaper as well as a screen-capture video that demos & explains the anon EM feature (these will be posted prior to release).

Edit** Whitepaper and Video should be finished and posted here by this evening (EST)

June 10:

***UPDATE***

Anon Encrypted Messaging

EM White-paper: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10793660/wp.pdf
EM Wallet Demo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTjp6e7RDZo
(another video will be uploaded likely tomorrow going in greater detail)

Target Release Date: Thursday, June 12th

***Sneak-peak Update***

(posted earlier today)

Here is a basic breakdown of how Cinni's anon Encrypted Messaging feature will work (An in-depth explanation will be provided later tonight with release of the white paper):

Cinnicoin Encrypted Messaging Details:

Basic Method:

• The Elliptic Curve Diffie-Hellman (ECDH) key exchange method is used to share a secret key between the sender and receiver.
• The sender generates the secret key using a newly generated random private key and the recipient's public key.
• The payload is encrypted using AES-256-CBC with the first 32 bytes of the SHA512 hash of the secret key.
• If not sending anonymously the sender's address and compact signature are included in the payload.
• The encrypted payload and the public key of the newly generated keypair are sent to the recipient. The recipient generates the same secret key with their private key that matches the public key used by the sender and the public key included in the message.
• The payload is decrypted using the hashed secret key.
• The encrypted messages are stored on the filesytem in buckets by time and distributed to all nodes.
• It is not possible to tell the sender or receiver of the message from the encrypted message without having the private key of the recipient. [1]
• The messages are stored for 48 hours and are then deleted.
• Each node checks every message received from the network against all the addresses it owns. If a match is found a copy of the encrypted message is stored in the node's inbox database.

Additional Features:

• When not sending anonymously the sender's compact signature not only verifies that the message came from the owner of the address, but also enables the public key to be recovered allowing the recipient to reply even if the sender's address has no public key in the blockchain.
• Incoming transaction blocks are scanned for public keys.

(Again, this is just a basic explanation of what is already implemented in the wallet to be released this week.  A screen-cap video that demos & explains Cinni's EM feature will be released shortly alongside the WP)

June 13:

Anonymous Transfer White-paper

(100% true anonymity)

Here is a link to the promised white-paper for anon transfers (which will be uniquely built upon Cinni's EM platform - this method will offer 100% true anonymity, currently not offered in either DRK or XC):
https://www.mediafire.com/?49w5yo2cy7my4xr

(This feature is already in active development.  More details to be revealed soon)

Encrypted Messaging Wallets:

Here is the long awaited EM client. There will be a release to follow, which will include the invoicing, receipts, as well as various minor fixes.
Download and enjoy your new encrypted messages.
Windows
Linux

EM White-paper: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10793660/wp.pdf
EM Wallet Demos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTjp6e7RDZo & https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGpxCcAWz4o&feature=youtu.be

***Announcement***

(posted earlier today)

Update: EM wallets will be released within the next 1-2 hours.  For this release -- only Windows and Linux wallets will be compiled, and we will work on getting MAC wallet ASAP  (Originally this info was to be announced with the wallet updates, but I am making this announcement now because I have a meeting in 10 minutes and will not be around when we release the wallet).


Active Development:
Our Encrypted Messaging system will be the framework by which all future development will be built upon.  Here is a list of active development that will be built upon the EM platform:

   • Mobile wallets that fully support all features which are built into the desktop/PC wallets.
   • A combined Cinni/BTC wallet & Point of sale retailer system [1]
   • Anonymous Transfer System (will offer unprecedented 100% true anonymity uniquely built upon the EM platform) [2]

Notes*
   1. The idea behind the point of sale system and the combined Cinni/BTC wallet is that many retailers are accepting BTC but very few are accepting any alts.  Our goal is to make a point of sale system designed toward retailers that want to accept BTC.  We will offer this system for free, and bundle Cinni with it.  This way, Cinni can have a door into retailers.
   2. Because of Cinni’s unique EM platform, our method for Cinni’s anonymous transfer system, which will be built upon the EM platform, will offer unprecedented 100% true anonymity.  This is currently not something that even DRK or XC can offer.  We will release a white-paper with in-depth details on our method tonight sometime after the wallets are released.

(Greater details on everything here will be provided soon)

June 13:

My hope is that people understand the significance of the 100% true anon transfer feature that we are actively developing on the EM platform just released today.  100% true anonymity is something speculated to NOT be developed until 2015 or later.  This is a BIG DEAL.

June 13:

Evan of DRK recently said that, and I count him a pretty sound voice on anon tech.  Also, Cinni's ETA is less than 1 month until release of it's anon transfers (as I stated earlier).

June 13:

Both Monero and Cryptonote are not 100% anonymous -- transactions can still be traced (with some effort) in the blockchain.  Cinni's anon transfer does not operate on the blockchain, but outside of it.  Please read the whitepaper before you are making these statements -- everything is explained there in some detail.

June 13:

This is not correct.  ALL anon coins in existence right now do NOT offer 100% truly anonymous solutions.  Evan from DRK and Dan of XC will and have admitted to this.  Cinni's proposed method built uniquely upon the EM platform will be 100% truly anonymous (see whitepaper).  And yes, our ETA is ~ a few weeks.

June 13:

My hope is that people understand the significance of the 100% true anon transfer feature that we are actively developing on the EM platform just released today.  100% true anonymity is something speculated to NOT be developed until 2015 or later.  This is a BIG DEAL.

Disagree, zerocash ETA is in 3-6 months.

Our ETA is less than 1 month away.  We will have this out in a few weeks, or sooner.

June 14:

Dumping doesn't matter, IMO.  EM Invoice / receipts are being released this weekend.  And 100% true anon transfers will be released in 2-3 weeks.


But it would probably help the buy support more if I told everyone that we are currently working on a feature that cures cancer.

June 14

Hehe the problems is us Devs are doing what us Devs do we are developing.
I think our main focus right now is having a solid solution, then we can market it hard
We need lots of help from the community, and we are grateful to have such a good community.
After our next wallet release (scheduled for tomorrow evening), which will include a ton of bug fixes and new features, we will be focusing on anonymous transactions.
It would be great if someone in the community could make a promo video

The community is doing loads of work as it stands. This project is almost entirely community driven.
Logos, websites, cinnichain, and almost everything surrounding this coin has come from the community, which in turn are the investors too.

There is more than just investing bitcoin into CINNI on an exchange, yes buying CINNI is investing, but investing time into it is our way of investing, as we don't have the funds to go and buy CINNI, so we have to strengthen the CINNI that we do have

June 24:

Anonymous Transfer

Up next will be Cinni's anon transfers which will be uniquely built upon Cinni's EM platform. 

Our method will use CINNI's Encrypted Messaging system and onion routing (similar to TOR) in combination with “reserve relay nodes," to enable completely anonymous transfers/payments within the blockchain system.  This method will offer 100% true anonymity.

See white-paper:
https://www.mediafire.com/?49w5yo2cy7my4xr

June 26:

well it is opensource, and I am a dev on the team, but cinnidev is still my superior I guess.
I think Cinnidev would probably be the best person to talk to, as I am actively involved in about 4 projects at any given time for the past few years.
Cinnidev really loves his coin, enough to have gotten me on board as well, so he is definitely the guy to talk to
CinniCoin is the only coin I've worked on, and the only coin I probably will work on

July 4:

I have a good feelingabout tthis coin. Sooner or later it will pop. Dont forget drk was at 4 btc volume a day before the rise . I'll be losing at around $25000 + if cinni devs don't deliver but I think this coin is great. I also like how the devs don't release announments just for the sake of making the price go up. Very respectful and honorable to their commitment in making an anonymous transfer coin.

The current price will hover around this level for another 2 weeks or so, maybe hitting a bottom of 4500... as intended then we will see some sparks flying. I don't think we will get any dev updates for about 2 weeks. So good buying time.

2 weeks?

Maybe less. I guess the devs are playing a smart game not giving any release date. Perhaps this comes tomorrow, by the end of the week, or in more than two. We just don't know anything...

Here's a msg from Rynomster last week:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=573232.msg7552014#msg7552014

There is loads of calculations that need to be done, and we are trying to get beyond the point of obfuscation.
It's really easy in theory, but in reality you don't know how its going to work out, and who is going to be online by the time the transactions are created.
With a 15s blocktime it is really difficult in a p2p network, as you never know who you will be communicating with.

Its a really mind blowing concept, and a real challenge, which is why we are taking our time to finalize the actual concept in the R&D phase.

From there onwards its going to be a quick and easy implementation.
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July 6:

bye bye cinni.... 

Rynomster is on IRC.  I'm talking with him, the dev team is absolutely not running away.

Just a tiny update for us loyal investors?

It's hard, i cannot say much, but it definitely seems like everything is fine regarding CINNI's development. If anyone still feels scared of dev is gone fud, just go on IRC to calme down, like that you'll see that everything is alright.

##Cinnicoin

I'm sure that Cinnicoin will make an update soon.

July 6:

Investors need to know when will be any update? Why Rynomster has not written anything here?

I PM'd him for an update, and he sent back a very friendly note, the same day, saying he'd been away, was now back and would get caught up before writing back with an update. That was about 5 days ago and I havent yet heard back.


July 6:

Investors need to know when will be any update? Why Rynomster has not written anything here?

He was on IRC, but i guess he didn't want to post since it was 1st, no time to worry, 2nd if Cinnicoin had ran away he would had been as shocked as us obviously.  He actually told me that posting something just for the sake of calming would be lying.

See how much morality do our devs have guys

July 7:

It was yesterday on IRC.
Rynomster also told me he asked Cinnicoin some time for himself due to personal issues. But he was definitely still holding Cinni and paying interest to the coin!

Anyone with an interest in making a clean exit from the coin at a better price would say that, including that "marketing" guy who was hyperbullish on CINNI... before he left.


July 8:

Hi everyone,

As you may or may not have noticed, I have been fairly inactive lately -- my apologies for this.  There is really no easy way to say this, however, due to life circumstances, I am no longer able to act as community manager for CinniCoin (please remember that I was only a volunteer and not part of the original dev team).  CinniCoin (dev) is still working on projects for this coin.  However, I am no longer able to devote my time and energy to it.

If the community has or does find a replacement, I will be glad to hand over the twitter account.  Just send me a PM.

Thanks, and I wish CinniCoin all the best.

And that's before saying anything about the bug issue.

[DevCoder]

I read that link. Again, what are the dishonest posts from rynomster?  There are no dishonest posts from rynomster in that link.
You have wrongly said posts from battbot somehow show dishonesty by rynomster.  This seems dishonest on your part. Please list the dishonest posts by rynomster, not posts by battbot.
I am saying you are being intellectualy dishonest in the way you constructed the OP. You say rynomster is dishonest,  then you list posts made predominantly by battbot and attempt to attribute them to rynomster.  

Please specify anything I've said -- for the most part copied -- that isn't true:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=755834.msg8523524#msg8523524

You have constructed the OP in attemp to implicate rynomster using quotes from battbot. This is a guilt by association falacy. You include rynomster in an undesirable list of quotes made by other people in attempt to implicate him. This is by definition, intellectual dishonesty.

I am presenting the chronology as it was -- and allow readers to draw their own conclusions, which seem obvious to me and many others -- while you repeat vague accusations about my dishonesty. I leave the record to speak for itself. This is what battbot and rynomster said and did when they said and did it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=755834.msg8523524#msg8523524

You included rynomster in an undesirable list of quotes made by other people in attempt to implicate him. This is by definition, intellectual dishonesty.

List the dishonest quotes from rynomster or stop attacking his character.

You clearly dont care at all about honesty or you would not play these games. Im sure this will be abundantly clear to anyone reading these posts.

It is now clear to me that intellectual honesty is not your goal, you are just attempting to bring down an honest man. This is shameful on your part and I will no longer participate.

I think you are afraid of the whole quote. This guy was dead on ^

I just found it redundant - he repeatedly accuses me of dishonesty but doesn't challenge a single part of the historical record:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=755834.msg8523524#msg8523524


I started this thread as open (not moderated, unlike SDC) to allow a free flow of facts/opinion that SDC allies/proxies/sockpuppets like you are desperately trying to supress.

He says you presented the information and quotes dishonestly....you did. Easy to see the game you are playing.
The "didn't challenge the record" bullshit is no defense for your honesty. Your dishonesty was your presentation of the quotes in a purposeful way to implicate rynomaster with the quotes of another person.

Oh BTW, you are yet to answer his challenge. List the dishonest quotes by rynomaster, not the quotes by battbots...of rynomaster. Just list them below so all can see the dishonesty in its rawness.

Noooo, you want to leave the quotes in the context you presented them....and you have the nerve to try to claim the high road. You are a slander and a lier.

[sdersdf2]

This thread is getting repeated accusations of dishonesty from some users (apparently SDC/Shadowcoin enthusiasts/proxies/sock-puppets, judging from their post history). I'm reposting, for readers'/lukers' convenience, the key post here to give anyone an opportunity to point out what is dishonest about anything I've written (mostly copy/pasted) below.

The full CINNI thread is available to anyone to review here -- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=573232.5260 -- for anyone to check against my summary/copy-paste. Links to the individual posts are also included down below, so people can access as much of the original context as they'd like.


This is an open, unmoderated, uncensored forum where open discussion is allowed and welcomed.

The truth

Too many words.You can give us a brife version.I think not many people will look through the whole posts.

TDLR: Battbot and Rynomster are trying to whitewash the past, either directly or through allies, proxies and/or sockpuppets such as DevCoder (a newbie account created just a few days ago with the apparent goal of attacking any perceived threats to SDC: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=367991).

They're claiming that they left Cinnicoin in good faith with no obligation to deliver anon tech (that later showed up in rynomster's new Shadowcoin project). The truth is that before they left CINNI they spent weeks hyping development of this anon tech to the CINNI community. Basically, they misled the community into thinking they were developing unique anon tech for CINNI -- 100% decentralised, trustless -- while likely dumping their CINNI portfolios (every attempt the coin made at a rally was dumped on) before both suddenly departed around the same time for "personal"/"family" reasons. Weeks later, the tech turns up in rynomster's new coin Shadowcoin.

Don't care about that anymore, but I do care that battbot (and to a lesser extent rynomster either directly or through his proxies) are trying to whitewash this history. I think anyone who deals with these guys going forward should be informed about this history - and in their own words.

Hope that was brief enough. See CINNI thread for more sordid details:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=573232.5260
It's all there - err, until they delete it, but they cant delete copies and "Re:" responses to those posts and references to their usernames by others.

Others can come to their own judgements about their character after reading their words - before and since their departures from CINNI, including their current round of attempted (and utterly failed) whitewashing.



Battbot and rynomster in their own words (no "opinions" or "interpretations" or "editorialising"). Straight from the horses mouths.

This isn't "FUD" or "SPAM" - it's the history you might want to know about these devs to be better informed buyers.

Full details: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=573232.msg8510089#msg8510089

June 1:

Announcement!

As promised, the encrypted messaging update will be released within ten to fourteen days. Included in this release is a one of a kind robust encrypted messaging system that is a first in crypto-currency. This system is a framework or protocol within the wallet that allows applications to be built upon it as needed by users. The release will have applications already built upon this framework, these applications will position CINNI as the leading crypto-currency in point of sale systems for both eCommerce and brick and mortar stores. (screen shots of the updated GUI will be available this week)

Included in this release are essential tools to conduct secure encrypted point of sale commerce and are all a first in crypto currency:

1) Encrypted messaging system in client with wallet to wallet messaging platform.
2) Encrypted order form sent wallet to wallet.
3) Encrypted invoice generation sent wallet to wallet.
4) Encrypted receipt delivery sent wallet to wallet.

Future release...est 3-6 weeks.
 
1) Combined wallet for both BTC and CINNI with multiple currency exchange rate support. (this will be the first ever in crypto-currency and will assist point of sale)
2) In wallet chat room.

Future release...est 4-14 weeks. (With this release we will become the best option in crypto-currency as a point of sale solution)

1) A second wallet designed as a "retail wallet" in addition to the "consumer wallet". This wallet is designed specifically for retail eCommerce businesses and is built on the encrypted messaging platform. (this will be the first "retail wallet" ever in crypto-currency and will lead to rapid merchant adoption of CINNI as a form of payment.)
2) Inventory management system for tracking supply in wallet client.
3) SKU number assignment with SKU pricing in wallet client.
4) Full receivables and reporting features in wallet client.
5) QR code generation in wallet client.
6) Export option into accounting software (i.e. Quickbooks, ect.)

Future release...est 12-18 weeks. (This will be an update on the routing of encrypted messages)

1) Optional anonymity features for "consumer wallet". This would allow for anonymity or (dark) send features similar to DRK coin or XC coin system.
2) Optional anonymization of data and messages. This system will use "messagenodes" combined with "masternodes" in the dark send feature. The "messagenodes" and "masternodes" will be paid in transaction fees and will be required to provide "proof of stake" by holding CINNI in wallets developing coin age (more details will follow).

Darkcoin and XC coin only anonymize half of the transaction (the actual transfer of payment). The communication between buyer and seller is left wide open and can be intercepted by a third party. There are ways to mitigate the communication risk however the communication risk to anonymity remains more significant than the payment risk to anonymity. The system being developed at CINNI will use the encrypted messaging system to allow CINNI to become the first ever completely anonymous transaction system.

June 5:

These people selling are stupid 

As one who is directly involved with the coders + development of the upcoming wallet -- yes, people selling now will be very sad, very soon.

June 7:

To anyone buying this...kudos, but I hope you know that cinnicoin is releasing a Wallet this weekend with anon encrypted messaging plus anon transfers, and it will be NON beta

June 7:

Hey guys, just a correction to a statement I made earlier -- the new wallet releasing soon will only have anonymous encrypted messaging / invoicing etc features, as reported in the announcement below. I received a report from the coders today but mistakingly read that anon transfers would be in this release. Although anon transfers are currently in development, it will come at a later wallet update. I apologize for the confusion (I am still traveling across the United States so It's been hard to stay well connected this past week. My travels end tomorrow.)

With that being said, expect more info on the upcoming wallet release very soon! 

June 9:

Is there any announcement today?

There was announcement that all going as planned, and new wallet will be released this week.

Cinni's EM feature will be anonymous as well as the transactions (but anon transfers will be added in a second update soon to follow). 

I just spoke to the coders and I should be able to update everyone sometime today with a fairly accurate release date for the wallet with anon encrypted messaging.  Also, I have asked the coders to provide me with a whitepaper as well as a screen-capture video that demos & explains the anon EM feature (these will be posted prior to release).

Edit** Whitepaper and Video should be finished and posted here by this evening (EST)
 
It is 100% new code.  Also, it will not face any of the bloat issues that VRC is currently dealing with.  VRC crashed after ~1000 messages were sent in a period of a few minutes.  We have tested successfully multiple times of near 2000 messages on our system sent within a 20 second period -- and no issues whatsoever.  But it should also be noted that our EM system is uniquely different from VRC (which only sends money transfers via SMS, unless I am mistaken).  Cinni's anon Encrypted Messaging system will revolution the way wallets are used.   

Greater detail will be provided today with the WP and demo video of the method we use for EM and how it works.

June 9:

There is currently no other coin (to my knowledge) that has a working encrypted messaging feature built into the wallet.  So, Cinni would be the first.  Also, yes, the EM feature will be anonymous as well as the transactions (but anon transfers will be added in a second update soon to follow). 

I just spoke to the coders and I should be able to update everyone sometime today with a fairly accurate release date for the wallet with anon encrypted messaging.  Also, I have asked the coders to provide me with a whitepaper as well as a screen-capture video that demos & explains the anon EM feature (these will be posted prior to release).

Edit** Whitepaper and Video should be finished and posted here by this evening (EST)

June 10:

***UPDATE***

Anon Encrypted Messaging

EM White-paper: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10793660/wp.pdf
EM Wallet Demo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTjp6e7RDZo
(another video will be uploaded likely tomorrow going in greater detail)

Target Release Date: Thursday, June 12th

***Sneak-peak Update***

(posted earlier today)

Here is a basic breakdown of how Cinni's anon Encrypted Messaging feature will work (An in-depth explanation will be provided later tonight with release of the white paper):

Cinnicoin Encrypted Messaging Details:

Basic Method:

• The Elliptic Curve Diffie-Hellman (ECDH) key exchange method is used to share a secret key between the sender and receiver.
• The sender generates the secret key using a newly generated random private key and the recipient's public key.
• The payload is encrypted using AES-256-CBC with the first 32 bytes of the SHA512 hash of the secret key.
• If not sending anonymously the sender's address and compact signature are included in the payload.
• The encrypted payload and the public key of the newly generated keypair are sent to the recipient. The recipient generates the same secret key with their private key that matches the public key used by the sender and the public key included in the message.
• The payload is decrypted using the hashed secret key.
• The encrypted messages are stored on the filesytem in buckets by time and distributed to all nodes.
• It is not possible to tell the sender or receiver of the message from the encrypted message without having the private key of the recipient. [1]
• The messages are stored for 48 hours and are then deleted.
• Each node checks every message received from the network against all the addresses it owns. If a match is found a copy of the encrypted message is stored in the node's inbox database.

Additional Features:

• When not sending anonymously the sender's compact signature not only verifies that the message came from the owner of the address, but also enables the public key to be recovered allowing the recipient to reply even if the sender's address has no public key in the blockchain.
• Incoming transaction blocks are scanned for public keys.

(Again, this is just a basic explanation of what is already implemented in the wallet to be released this week.  A screen-cap video that demos & explains Cinni's EM feature will be released shortly alongside the WP)

June 13:

Anonymous Transfer White-paper

(100% true anonymity)

Here is a link to the promised white-paper for anon transfers (which will be uniquely built upon Cinni's EM platform - this method will offer 100% true anonymity, currently not offered in either DRK or XC):
https://www.mediafire.com/?49w5yo2cy7my4xr

(This feature is already in active development.  More details to be revealed soon)

Encrypted Messaging Wallets:

Here is the long awaited EM client. There will be a release to follow, which will include the invoicing, receipts, as well as various minor fixes.
Download and enjoy your new encrypted messages.
Windows
Linux

EM White-paper: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10793660/wp.pdf
EM Wallet Demos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTjp6e7RDZo & https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGpxCcAWz4o&feature=youtu.be

***Announcement***

(posted earlier today)

Update: EM wallets will be released within the next 1-2 hours.  For this release -- only Windows and Linux wallets will be compiled, and we will work on getting MAC wallet ASAP  (Originally this info was to be announced with the wallet updates, but I am making this announcement now because I have a meeting in 10 minutes and will not be around when we release the wallet).


Active Development:
Our Encrypted Messaging system will be the framework by which all future development will be built upon.  Here is a list of active development that will be built upon the EM platform:

   • Mobile wallets that fully support all features which are built into the desktop/PC wallets.
   • A combined Cinni/BTC wallet & Point of sale retailer system [1]
   • Anonymous Transfer System (will offer unprecedented 100% true anonymity uniquely built upon the EM platform) [2]

Notes*
   1. The idea behind the point of sale system and the combined Cinni/BTC wallet is that many retailers are accepting BTC but very few are accepting any alts.  Our goal is to make a point of sale system designed toward retailers that want to accept BTC.  We will offer this system for free, and bundle Cinni with it.  This way, Cinni can have a door into retailers.
   2. Because of Cinni’s unique EM platform, our method for Cinni’s anonymous transfer system, which will be built upon the EM platform, will offer unprecedented 100% true anonymity.  This is currently not something that even DRK or XC can offer.  We will release a white-paper with in-depth details on our method tonight sometime after the wallets are released.

(Greater details on everything here will be provided soon)

June 13:

My hope is that people understand the significance of the 100% true anon transfer feature that we are actively developing on the EM platform just released today.  100% true anonymity is something speculated to NOT be developed until 2015 or later.  This is a BIG DEAL.

June 13:

Evan of DRK recently said that, and I count him a pretty sound voice on anon tech.  Also, Cinni's ETA is less than 1 month until release of it's anon transfers (as I stated earlier).

June 13:

Both Monero and Cryptonote are not 100% anonymous -- transactions can still be traced (with some effort) in the blockchain.  Cinni's anon transfer does not operate on the blockchain, but outside of it.  Please read the whitepaper before you are making these statements -- everything is explained there in some detail.

June 13:

This is not correct.  ALL anon coins in existence right now do NOT offer 100% truly anonymous solutions.  Evan from DRK and Dan of XC will and have admitted to this.  Cinni's proposed method built uniquely upon the EM platform will be 100% truly anonymous (see whitepaper).  And yes, our ETA is ~ a few weeks.

June 13:

My hope is that people understand the significance of the 100% true anon transfer feature that we are actively developing on the EM platform just released today.  100% true anonymity is something speculated to NOT be developed until 2015 or later.  This is a BIG DEAL.

Disagree, zerocash ETA is in 3-6 months.

Our ETA is less than 1 month away.  We will have this out in a few weeks, or sooner.

June 14:

Dumping doesn't matter, IMO.  EM Invoice / receipts are being released this weekend.  And 100% true anon transfers will be released in 2-3 weeks.


But it would probably help the buy support more if I told everyone that we are currently working on a feature that cures cancer.

June 14

Hehe the problems is us Devs are doing what us Devs do we are developing.
I think our main focus right now is having a solid solution, then we can market it hard
We need lots of help from the community, and we are grateful to have such a good community.
After our next wallet release (scheduled for tomorrow evening), which will include a ton of bug fixes and new features, we will be focusing on anonymous transactions.
It would be great if someone in the community could make a promo video

The community is doing loads of work as it stands. This project is almost entirely community driven.
Logos, websites, cinnichain, and almost everything surrounding this coin has come from the community, which in turn are the investors too.

There is more than just investing bitcoin into CINNI on an exchange, yes buying CINNI is investing, but investing time into it is our way of investing, as we don't have the funds to go and buy CINNI, so we have to strengthen the CINNI that we do have

June 24:

Anonymous Transfer

Up next will be Cinni's anon transfers which will be uniquely built upon Cinni's EM platform. 

Our method will use CINNI's Encrypted Messaging system and onion routing (similar to TOR) in combination with “reserve relay nodes," to enable completely anonymous transfers/payments within the blockchain system.  This method will offer 100% true anonymity.

See white-paper:
https://www.mediafire.com/?49w5yo2cy7my4xr

June 26:

well it is opensource, and I am a dev on the team, but cinnidev is still my superior I guess.
I think Cinnidev would probably be the best person to talk to, as I am actively involved in about 4 projects at any given time for the past few years.
Cinnidev really loves his coin, enough to have gotten me on board as well, so he is definitely the guy to talk to
CinniCoin is the only coin I've worked on, and the only coin I probably will work on

July 4:

I have a good feelingabout tthis coin. Sooner or later it will pop. Dont forget drk was at 4 btc volume a day before the rise . I'll be losing at around $25000 + if cinni devs don't deliver but I think this coin is great. I also like how the devs don't release announments just for the sake of making the price go up. Very respectful and honorable to their commitment in making an anonymous transfer coin.

The current price will hover around this level for another 2 weeks or so, maybe hitting a bottom of 4500... as intended then we will see some sparks flying. I don't think we will get any dev updates for about 2 weeks. So good buying time.

2 weeks?

Maybe less. I guess the devs are playing a smart game not giving any release date. Perhaps this comes tomorrow, by the end of the week, or in more than two. We just don't know anything...

Here's a msg from Rynomster last week:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=573232.msg7552014#msg7552014

There is loads of calculations that need to be done, and we are trying to get beyond the point of obfuscation.
It's really easy in theory, but in reality you don't know how its going to work out, and who is going to be online by the time the transactions are created.
With a 15s blocktime it is really difficult in a p2p network, as you never know who you will be communicating with.

Its a really mind blowing concept, and a real challenge, which is why we are taking our time to finalize the actual concept in the R&D phase.

From there onwards its going to be a quick and easy implementation.
[/i]

July 6:

bye bye cinni.... 

Rynomster is on IRC.  I'm talking with him, the dev team is absolutely not running away.

Just a tiny update for us loyal investors?

It's hard, i cannot say much, but it definitely seems like everything is fine regarding CINNI's development. If anyone still feels scared of dev is gone fud, just go on IRC to calme down, like that you'll see that everything is alright.

##Cinnicoin

I'm sure that Cinnicoin will make an update soon.

July 6:

Investors need to know when will be any update? Why Rynomster has not written anything here?

I PM'd him for an update, and he sent back a very friendly note, the same day, saying he'd been away, was now back and would get caught up before writing back with an update. That was about 5 days ago and I havent yet heard back.


July 6:

Investors need to know when will be any update? Why Rynomster has not written anything here?

He was on IRC, but i guess he didn't want to post since it was 1st, no time to worry, 2nd if Cinnicoin had ran away he would had been as shocked as us obviously.  He actually told me that posting something just for the sake of calming would be lying.

See how much morality do our devs have guys

July 7:

It was yesterday on IRC.
Rynomster also told me he asked Cinnicoin some time for himself due to personal issues. But he was definitely still holding Cinni and paying interest to the coin!

Anyone with an interest in making a clean exit from the coin at a better price would say that, including that "marketing" guy who was hyperbullish on CINNI... before he left.


July 8:

Hi everyone,

As you may or may not have noticed, I have been fairly inactive lately -- my apologies for this.  There is really no easy way to say this, however, due to life circumstances, I am no longer able to act as community manager for CinniCoin (please remember that I was only a volunteer and not part of the original dev team).  CinniCoin (dev) is still working on projects for this coin.  However, I am no longer able to devote my time and energy to it.

If the community has or does find a replacement, I will be glad to hand over the twitter account.  Just send me a PM.

Thanks, and I wish CinniCoin all the best.

And that's before saying anything about the bug issue.

[pawlo74]

Hello,

For those who remember, I was a former volunteer dev / proj mgr / comm mgr for Cinni.  Please allow me to clear the FUD on rynomster's name (as this was brought to my attention by trolls posting in XC's thread).

Rynomster came to help Cinni with it's encrypted messaging system (per a bounty).  After this work was finished, he himself decided to not continue on with Cinni (for his own reasons, which frankly should not matter).  His contribution towards the Cinni project started on good terms, and he left Cinni project on good terms -- as far as the dev team was concerned.  

As for the issue related to Cinni PoS, I can verify that rynomster did indeed email fixes to the PoS code to cinnidev.  And to my knowledge, cinnidev committed them (however, if cinnidev truly committed them will need to be verified by cinnidev / rynomster).  Now, whether or not rynomsters fixes corrected absolutely every issue with Cinni's PoS, I cannot answer -- but I do know that rynomster emailed fixes on the PoS code.

Nevertheless -- why are we attacking rynomster?  If you are going to call him a liar, then you will have to call both myself and cinnidev liars.  But let me ask you -- who else would know the facts better than the dev team?  Cinnidev likewise can and should confirm everything that I have said.  Anyone who says anything contrary to the facts that I have just stated is a liar, or is ignorant to what actually happened.

Again, rynomster was offered a bounty to build encrypted messaging for Cinni -- this he did in a successful and timely manner.  Once this work was completed, he was by no means obligated to continue developing for Cinni.  Even Cinni's PoS issue he was not obligated to look at or fix, but he was kind enough to.  Please refrain from attacking him, his character, or his new coin.  


battbot

I can confirm that what Battbot is saying is correct.

^

except there has been no confirmation.  where is the link to the commit on github that contains this fix for the staking bug?
or copy of the email that ryno/sdcdev sent to Cinnicoin dev containing the fix to implement?
No one has been able to provide a link to the commit that relates to this.  

I hope digit don't mind me quoting him here

[DevCoder]

DevCove please ask digit about it I think he is an expert with that issue.

And that is why all started.

Are you kidding? This guy isn't interested in the truth - only in insulting people and doing whatever else he thinks he needs to do to defend rynomster and Shadowcoin. By all means, feel free to ask digit to comment on this thread. Again, I'm most familiar with the anon tech issue - not the bug issue which, if 100% true, may be much more serious/fundamental than what I've been talking about.

...says the guy who outright lies, persents information in a missleading way, ignores facts, attempt to implicate an honest man with quotes made by others, does not accept cinnidev collaboration of events, so basically pulls shit out of his ass and calls it history. QUOTES ARE ONLY INFORMATIVE IN CONTEXT. This dumbfuck is the worst kind of individual. Lies about an honest man because he is butthurt over a loss...

HEY DUMBFUCK LOOK UP UTCLOVER HE OWNED 1/2 OF CINNI. HE SOLD AND THE PRICE DROPPED.

[DevCoder]

Hello,

For those who remember, I was a former volunteer dev / proj mgr / comm mgr for Cinni.  Please allow me to clear the FUD on rynomster's name (as this was brought to my attention by trolls posting in XC's thread).

Rynomster came to help Cinni with it's encrypted messaging system (per a bounty).  After this work was finished, he himself decided to not continue on with Cinni (for his own reasons, which frankly should not matter).  His contribution towards the Cinni project started on good terms, and he left Cinni project on good terms -- as far as the dev team was concerned.  

As for the issue related to Cinni PoS, I can verify that rynomster did indeed email fixes to the PoS code to cinnidev.  And to my knowledge, cinnidev committed them (however, if cinnidev truly committed them will need to be verified by cinnidev / rynomster).  Now, whether or not rynomsters fixes corrected absolutely every issue with Cinni's PoS, I cannot answer -- but I do know that rynomster emailed fixes on the PoS code.

Nevertheless -- why are we attacking rynomster?  If you are going to call him a liar, then you will have to call both myself and cinnidev liars.  But let me ask you -- who else would know the facts better than the dev team?  Cinnidev likewise can and should confirm everything that I have said.  Anyone who says anything contrary to the facts that I have just stated is a liar, or is ignorant to what actually happened.

Again, rynomster was offered a bounty to build encrypted messaging for Cinni -- this he did in a successful and timely manner.  Once this work was completed, he was by no means obligated to continue developing for Cinni.  Even Cinni's PoS issue he was not obligated to look at or fix, but he was kind enough to.  Please refrain from attacking him, his character, or his new coin.  


battbot

I can confirm that what Battbot is saying is correct.

^

except there has been no confirmation.  where is the link to the commit on github that contains this fix for the staking bug?
or copy of the email that ryno/sdcdev sent to Cinnicoin dev containing the fix to implement?
No one has been able to provide a link to the commit that relates to this.  

I hope digit don't mind me quoting him here

Yes there was confirmation.  Cinnidev confirmed it. Check the cinni thread.

[pawlo74]

DevCove please ask digit about it I think he is an expert with that issue.

And that is why all started.

Are you kidding? This guy isn't interested in the truth - only in insulting people and doing whatever else he thinks he needs to do to defend rynomster and Shadowcoin. By all means, feel free to ask digit to comment on this thread. Again, I'm most familiar with the anon tech issue - not the bug issue which, if 100% true, may be much more serious/fundamental than what I've been talking about.

...says the guy who outright lies, persents information in a missleading way, ignores facts, attempt to implicate an honest man with quotes made by others, does not accept cinnidev collaboration of events, so basically pulls shit out of his ass and calls it history. QUOTES ARE ONLY INFORMATIVE IN CONTEXT. This dumbfuck is the worst kind of individual. Lies about an honest man because he is butthurt over a loss...

HEY DUMBFUCK LOOK UP UTCLOVER HE OWNED 1/2 OF CINNI. HE SOLD AND THE PRICE DROPPED.

Yes thank you for pointing that.

"...says the guy who outright lies, persents information in a missleading way, ignores facts"

that is exactly what Rynomster did at Crypto Asian webside.

[pawlo74]

Thank you DevCode.
I am done here.
I believe that true always wins.

[defaced]

[HappyHogan]

Thanks for posting this, this took a lot of work and anyone who will look at this carefully will see the truth.

I know there's a lot of people giving you shit. They're either SDC investors who are reacting out of fear for their investment. Or it's those two guys trying to save face.

SDC is going to turn into dust. You've done everything you can to warn people about what will happen. It's great to see some of this kind of spirit in the cryptocommunity.

Sorry SDC investors, get out while you can

[DevCoder]

DevCove please ask digit about it I think he is an expert with that issue.

And that is why all started.

Are you kidding? This guy isn't interested in the truth - only in insulting people and doing whatever else he thinks he needs to do to defend rynomster and Shadowcoin. By all means, feel free to ask digit to comment on this thread. Again, I'm most familiar with the anon tech issue - not the bug issue which, if 100% true, may be much more serious/fundamental than what I've been talking about.

...says the guy who outright lies, persents information in a missleading way, ignores facts, attempt to implicate an honest man with quotes made by others, does not accept cinnidev collaboration of events, so basically pulls shit out of his ass and calls it history. QUOTES ARE ONLY INFORMATIVE IN CONTEXT. This dumbfuck is the worst kind of individual. Lies about an honest man because he is butthurt over a loss...

HEY DUMBFUCK LOOK UP UTCLOVER HE OWNED 1/2 OF CINNI. HE SOLD AND THE PRICE DROPPED.

Yes thank you for pointing that.

"...says the guy who outright lies, persents information in a missleading way, ignores facts"

that is exactly what Rynomster did at Crypto Asian webside.

Are all u cinni holders such dumbfucks? Cinnidev confirmed rynomster fixed one of tne staking bugs. Check your own thread.

[DevCoder]

Anyway...im done with u lying,  ignorant peices of shit. I sold all my cinni at 16,000sat...enjoy your 800sat cinni.

Edit: 600sat cinni.

[HappyHogan]

Anyway...im done with u lying,  ignorant peices of shit. I sold all my cinni at 16,000sat...enjoy your 800sat cinni.

Edit: 600sat cinni.

Enjoy the volume on Shadowcoin. It looks like the cryptocommunity is very keen on buying your coin.

[sdersdf2]

Anyway...im done with u lying,  ignorant peices of shit. I sold all my cinni at 16,000sat...enjoy your 800sat cinni.

Edit: 600sat cinni.

Enjoy the volume on Shadowcoin. It looks like the cryptocommunity is very keen on buying your coin.

This guy was never about the truth - only about promoting/defending whatever his interests are today. Today SDC (yesterday CINNI? if he's to be believed), tomorrow, some other blipcoin, Maybe rynomster's next coin.

[pawlo74]

Anyway...im done with u lying,  ignorant peices of shit. I sold all my cinni at 16,000sat...enjoy your 800sat cinni.

Edit: 600sat cinni.

Enjoy the volume on Shadowcoin. It looks like the cryptocommunity is very keen on buying your coin.

This guy was never about the truth - only about promoting/defending whatever his interests are today. Today SDC (yesterday CINNI? if he's to be believed), tomorrow, some other blipcoin, Maybe rynomster's next coin.

Sad thing he and his group might be already involved in other projects.

[sdersdf2]

Thanks for posting this, this took a lot of work and anyone who will look at this carefully will see the truth.

I know there's a lot of people giving you shit. They're either SDC investors who are reacting out of fear for their investment. Or it's those two guys trying to save face.

SDC is going to turn into dust. You've done everything you can to warn people about what will happen. It's great to see some of this kind of spirit in the cryptocommunity.

Sorry SDC investors, get out while you can

It was actually pretty easy to assemble and the banter from the newbie account "DevCoder" (or whoever he really is) was entertaining - these guys expose themselves and show their true intent and character better than I ever could. And yes, a lot more truthtelling and history lessons like this are needed to clean out the putrid rot that risks destroying the altcoin ecosystem.

[sdersdf2]

Anyway...im done with u lying,  ignorant peices of shit. I sold all my cinni at 16,000sat...enjoy your 800sat cinni.

Edit: 600sat cinni.

Enjoy the volume on Shadowcoin. It looks like the cryptocommunity is very keen on buying your coin.

This guy was never about the truth - only about promoting/defending whatever his interests are today. Today SDC (yesterday CINNI? if he's to be believed), tomorrow, some other blipcoin, Maybe rynomster's next coin.

Sad thing he and his group might be already involved in other projects.

LOL - probably. I mean, the return on their investment in SDC, at least for now, isn't looking all that great. On to the next blipcoin.

[HappyHogan]

Anyway...im done with u lying,  ignorant peices of shit. I sold all my cinni at 16,000sat...enjoy your 800sat cinni.

Edit: 600sat cinni.

Enjoy the volume on Shadowcoin. It looks like the cryptocommunity is very keen on buying your coin.

This guy was never about the truth - only about promoting/defending whatever his interests are today. Today SDC (yesterday CINNI? if he's to be believed), tomorrow, some other blipcoin, Maybe rynomster's next coin.

Sad thing he and his group might be already involved in other projects.

LOL - probably. I mean, the return on their investment in SDC, at least for now, isn't looking all that great. On to the next blipcoin.

Yep, and you know some schmucks are going to buy into it again.... The tide's turning though. So many people are getting burnt, they're more and more moving their money into BTC and some other more established coins.

[pawlo74]

Anyway...im done with u lying,  ignorant peices of shit. I sold all my cinni at 16,000sat...enjoy your 800sat cinni.

Edit: 600sat cinni.

Enjoy the volume on Shadowcoin. It looks like the cryptocommunity is very keen on buying your coin.

This guy was never about the truth - only about promoting/defending whatever his interests are today. Today SDC (yesterday CINNI? if he's to be believed), tomorrow, some other blipcoin, Maybe rynomster's next coin.

Sad thing he and his group might be already involved in other projects.

LOL - probably. I mean, the return on their investment in SDC, at least for now, isn't looking all that great. On to the next blipcoin.

Yep, and you know some schmucks are going to buy into it again.... The tide's turning though. So many people are getting burnt, they're more and more moving their money into BTC and some other more established coins.

Funny, I hold some SDC too.

[sdersdf2]

Anyway...im done with u lying,  ignorant peices of shit. I sold all my cinni at 16,000sat...enjoy your 800sat cinni.

Edit: 600sat cinni.

Enjoy the volume on Shadowcoin. It looks like the cryptocommunity is very keen on buying your coin.

This guy was never about the truth - only about promoting/defending whatever his interests are today. Today SDC (yesterday CINNI? if he's to be believed), tomorrow, some other blipcoin, Maybe rynomster's next coin.

Sad thing he and his group might be already involved in other projects.

LOL - probably. I mean, the return on their investment in SDC, at least for now, isn't looking all that great. On to the next blipcoin.

Yep, and you know some schmucks are going to buy into it again.... The tide's turning though. So many people are getting burnt, they're more and more moving their money into BTC and some other more established coins.

I dont know what you think of Ethereum (like the team, but not the way the ICO is structured, which functions more like a donation than an investment), but I think that's part of the heavy investment into Ethereum and other blockchain 2.0 stuff. Even Sys, which turned out to be a dud, but the heavy interest reflects strong interest in true innovation by professional teams (or teams that look professional and have street cred).

I think the mess we're seeing now is a transitory phase, hopefully to something better - the crap we've seen these past few months is unsustainable, for a host of reasons.

[utclover]

As posted in CINNI thread, UTClover had 1/2 the coins of CINNI. He sold them off and EVERYONE else lost money.

oh please

who in their right mind believes that.
if i had half of cinni i would be effing rich.
i had at most 202,300 cinni ever!
sold low and didnt make much.
i am just a normal guy , not a whale or anything.

but when the pump group who pumped cinni were dumping on eachother, they used me as a scapegoat to point the finger at.

[HappyHogan]

As posted in CINNI thread, UTClover had 1/2 the coins of CINNI. He sold them off and EVERYONE else lost money.

oh please

who in their right mind believes that.
if i had half of cinni i would be effing rich.
i had at most 202,300 cinni ever!
sold low and didnt make much.
i am just a normal guy , not a whale or anything.

but when the pump group who pumped cinni were dumping on eachother, they used me as a scapegoat to point the finger at.

I believe you. These guys have no morals.

[mr_random]

Did the Cinni wallet ever get encrypted messaging working?

[pawlo74]

Did the Cinni wallet ever get encrypted messaging working?

Very good question

[HappyHogan]

Anyway...im done with u lying,  ignorant peices of shit. I sold all my cinni at 16,000sat...enjoy your 800sat cinni.

Edit: 600sat cinni.

Enjoy the volume on Shadowcoin. It looks like the cryptocommunity is very keen on buying your coin.

This guy was never about the truth - only about promoting/defending whatever his interests are today. Today SDC (yesterday CINNI? if he's to be believed), tomorrow, some other blipcoin, Maybe rynomster's next coin.

Sad thing he and his group might be already involved in other projects.

LOL - probably. I mean, the return on their investment in SDC, at least for now, isn't looking all that great. On to the next blipcoin.

Yep, and you know some schmucks are going to buy into it again.... The tide's turning though. So many people are getting burnt, they're more and more moving their money into BTC and some other more established coins.

I dont know what you think of Ethereum (like the team, but not the way the ICO is structured, which functions more like a donation than an investment), but I think that's part of the heavy investment into Ethereum and other blockchain 2.0 stuff. Even Sys, which turned out to be a dud, but the heavy interest reflects strong interest in true innovation by professional teams (or teams that look professional and have street cred).

I think the mess we're seeing now is a transitory phase, hopefully to something better - the crap we've seen these past few months is unsustainable, for a host of reasons.

Still haven't looked into it yet, but meaning too. Just haven't had the chance yet and think I might wait until it actually starts being traded. I really like what Blackcoin is doing. Innovating like crazy with a whole bunch of enthusiasts and managing to grow besides the difficulty of holding onto people in the crypto market. They've also really putting an effort into getting accepted by merchants with some reasonable success. So recently decided to go in some more on Black. Though I don't own any NXT, I've also been pretty impressed by them, especially how they managed after the theft. Although I don't own any of the coins focused on anonymity, some of them do seem quite active like DRK and Monero. I think there' probably one to two dozen coins that have real development that will last through this ugly, ugly phase.

[sdersdf2]

As posted in CINNI thread, UTClover had 1/2 the coins of CINNI. He sold them off and EVERYONE else lost money.

oh please

who in their right mind believes that.
if i had half of cinni i would be effing rich.
i had at most 202,300 cinni ever!
sold low and didnt make much.
i am just a normal guy , not a whale or anything.

but when the pump group who pumped cinni were dumping on eachother, they used me as a scapegoat to point the finger at.

No way to know for sure, of course, but I really believe it was battbot, rynomster and maybe Cinnicoin dev and other insiders who kept dumping into all those attempts cinnicoin tried to make to rally through early summer.

I think they were dumping on knowledge that anon tech wasnt going to come out and the dev team would be exiting. They were notably silent on all the speculation of anonymous dirty whales that kept being discussed back and forth - probably because they were the whales.

[pawlo74]

If Cinnicoin dev is Rynomster's group sock puppet account that explains why they don't want community handover.
Probably they will try to use Cinni again to make money because they now Cinni has potential future.
But first put the price down as low as possible to buy low sell high.

They put a lot of efforts to create that coin thought.
They made it quick to pump and dump that is why source code is a mess and staking issues.

[Schild_]

Is this serious?

Let's stop wasting energy on that. Ryno isn't the monster painted here.
It is not a fair trial, and proof aren't loyal.

I like you a lot guys, but I cannot support you on that. 

[Schild_]

As posted in CINNI thread, UTClover had 1/2 the coins of CINNI. He sold them off and EVERYONE else lost money.

oh please

who in their right mind believes that.
if i had half of cinni i would be effing rich.
i had at most 202,300 cinni ever!
sold low and didnt make much.
i am just a normal guy , not a whale or anything.

but when the pump group who pumped cinni were dumping on eachother, they used me as a scapegoat to point the finger at.

No way to know for sure, of course, but I really believe it was battbot, rynomster and maybe Cinnicoin dev and other insiders who kept dumping into all those attempts cinnicoin tried to make to rally through early summer.

I think they were dumping on knowledge that anon tech wasnt going to come out and the dev team would be exiting. They were notably silent on all the speculation of anonymous dirty whales that kept being discussed back and forth - probably because they were the whales.

There is something I can add about this... one of the reason i doubt this theory of the "united dev to scam us" is the lack of communication between the devs. They could not coordinate. For instance, Ryno is often on IRC, and batbott you could find there at some moment, but Cinnicoin was only talking to Ryno via PM which isn't immediate. I remember that well... they were not aware of what the other one was doing.

Cinnicoin thought Ryno wasn't living him for good, i guess. Probably Ryno thought he was out and it wasn't his duty to announce publicly he was gone... I dunno... it's only supposition... I think they might have misunderstood each other...

[rynomster]

I had personal issues, I went away, and I started my own thing.. Where I could have control and oversee the project.
When I boarded CINNI, it was a sinking ship... How could I have ever dumped CINNI?

Cinnidev is a great guy, and when I left I did say publicly that he has the best intentions for CINNI.

If you want to talk, PM me or come on IRC. I'm always there.

[O_Omaha]

Anyway...im done with u lying,  ignorant peices of shit. I sold all my cinni at 16,000sat...enjoy your 800sat cinni.

Edit: 600sat cinni.

Enjoy the volume on Shadowcoin. It looks like the cryptocommunity is very keen on buying your coin.

This guy was never about the truth - only about promoting/defending whatever his interests are today. Today SDC (yesterday CINNI? if he's to be believed), tomorrow, some other blipcoin, Maybe rynomster's next coin.

Sad thing he and his group might be already involved in other projects.

LOL - probably. I mean, the return on their investment in SDC, at least for now, isn't looking all that great. On to the next blipcoin.

Yep, and you know some schmucks are going to buy into it again.... The tide's turning though. So many people are getting burnt, they're more and more moving their money into BTC and some other more established coins.

Funny, I hold some SDC too.

You better dump quick! TrollsRoyce AKA CoolStoryTeller own 1,8 million SDC and he is dumper. He dump cloak coin and crash price like falling stone.

I dump my SDC when this was uncovered. It is bad for 30% of coin for one investor.

[pawlo74]

I had personal issues, I went away, and I started my own thing.. Where I could have control and oversee the project.
When I boarded CINNI, it was a sinking ship... How could I have ever dumped CINNI?

Cinnidev is a great guy, and when I left I did say publicly that he has the best intentions for CINNI.

If you want to talk, PM me or come on IRC. I'm always there.

was this all necessary ?
why didn't you reply at the begging instead of removing posts from your topic  ?
sorry I don't want to be rude but hope not personal issues again
anyway thank you for the answer

[pawlo74]

Is this serious?

Let's stop wasting energy on that. Ryno isn't the monster painted here.
It is not a fair trial, and proof aren't loyal.

I like you a lot guys, but I cannot support you on that. 

Thank you Schild

Ignoring and removing posts is not fair too

What did they expect ? they force us to do it, that is the only way to find the true I'm afraid.

True always wins ! If you are clean and have got nothing to hide you will win.

[sdersdf2]

I had personal issues, I went away, and I started my own thing.. Where I could have control and oversee the project.
When I boarded CINNI, it was a sinking ship... How could I have ever dumped CINNI?

Cinnidev is a great guy, and when I left I did say publicly that he has the best intentions for CINNI.

If you want to talk, PM me or come on IRC. I'm always there.

rynomster, respectfully, there's what you and battbot are saying now, when it serves your interests. Below is what you were both saying through early summer, when it served your interests. These again are the facts, which I leave to readers to interpret. My interpretation follows at the end.

And as a P.S., I don't pretend to understand the nature of your relationship with Cinnicoin dev, but to describe him as a great guy who has the best intentions for CINNI is laughable.
His conduct on the thread and the charts speak for themselves. I wish cryptoasian's proof of dev had been around way back when.

June 1:

Announcement!

As promised, the encrypted messaging update will be released within ten to fourteen days. Included in this release is a one of a kind robust encrypted messaging system that is a first in crypto-currency. This system is a framework or protocol within the wallet that allows applications to be built upon it as needed by users. The release will have applications already built upon this framework, these applications will position CINNI as the leading crypto-currency in point of sale systems for both eCommerce and brick and mortar stores. (screen shots of the updated GUI will be available this week)

Included in this release are essential tools to conduct secure encrypted point of sale commerce and are all a first in crypto currency:

1) Encrypted messaging system in client with wallet to wallet messaging platform.
2) Encrypted order form sent wallet to wallet.
3) Encrypted invoice generation sent wallet to wallet.
4) Encrypted receipt delivery sent wallet to wallet.

Future release...est 3-6 weeks.
 
1) Combined wallet for both BTC and CINNI with multiple currency exchange rate support. (this will be the first ever in crypto-currency and will assist point of sale)
2) In wallet chat room.

Future release...est 4-14 weeks. (With this release we will become the best option in crypto-currency as a point of sale solution)

1) A second wallet designed as a "retail wallet" in addition to the "consumer wallet". This wallet is designed specifically for retail eCommerce businesses and is built on the encrypted messaging platform. (this will be the first "retail wallet" ever in crypto-currency and will lead to rapid merchant adoption of CINNI as a form of payment.)
2) Inventory management system for tracking supply in wallet client.
3) SKU number assignment with SKU pricing in wallet client.
4) Full receivables and reporting features in wallet client.
5) QR code generation in wallet client.
6) Export option into accounting software (i.e. Quickbooks, ect.)

Future release...est 12-18 weeks. (This will be an update on the routing of encrypted messages)

1) Optional anonymity features for "consumer wallet". This would allow for anonymity or (dark) send features similar to DRK coin or XC coin system.
2) Optional anonymization of data and messages. This system will use "messagenodes" combined with "masternodes" in the dark send feature. The "messagenodes" and "masternodes" will be paid in transaction fees and will be required to provide "proof of stake" by holding CINNI in wallets developing coin age (more details will follow).

Darkcoin and XC coin only anonymize half of the transaction (the actual transfer of payment). The communication between buyer and seller is left wide open and can be intercepted by a third party. There are ways to mitigate the communication risk however the communication risk to anonymity remains more significant than the payment risk to anonymity. The system being developed at CINNI will use the encrypted messaging system to allow CINNI to become the first ever completely anonymous transaction system.

June 5:

These people selling are stupid  

As one who is directly involved with the coders + development of the upcoming wallet -- yes, people selling now will be very sad, very soon.

June 7:

To anyone buying this...kudos, but I hope you know that cinnicoin is releasing a Wallet this weekend with anon encrypted messaging plus anon transfers, and it will be NON beta

June 7:

Hey guys, just a correction to a statement I made earlier -- the new wallet releasing soon will only have anonymous encrypted messaging / invoicing etc features, as reported in the announcement below. I received a report from the coders today but mistakingly read that anon transfers would be in this release. Although anon transfers are currently in development, it will come at a later wallet update. I apologize for the confusion (I am still traveling across the United States so It's been hard to stay well connected this past week. My travels end tomorrow.)

With that being said, expect more info on the upcoming wallet release very soon!  

June 9:

Is there any announcement today?

There was announcement that all going as planned, and new wallet will be released this week.

Cinni's EM feature will be anonymous as well as the transactions (but anon transfers will be added in a second update soon to follow).  

I just spoke to the coders and I should be able to update everyone sometime today with a fairly accurate release date for the wallet with anon encrypted messaging.  Also, I have asked the coders to provide me with a whitepaper as well as a screen-capture video that demos & explains the anon EM feature (these will be posted prior to release).

Edit** Whitepaper and Video should be finished and posted here by this evening (EST)
 
It is 100% new code.  Also, it will not face any of the bloat issues that VRC is currently dealing with.  VRC crashed after ~1000 messages were sent in a period of a few minutes.  We have tested successfully multiple times of near 2000 messages on our system sent within a 20 second period -- and no issues whatsoever.  But it should also be noted that our EM system is uniquely different from VRC (which only sends money transfers via SMS, unless I am mistaken).  Cinni's anon Encrypted Messaging system will revolution the way wallets are used.  

Greater detail will be provided today with the WP and demo video of the method we use for EM and how it works.

June 9:

There is currently no other coin (to my knowledge) that has a working encrypted messaging feature built into the wallet.  So, Cinni would be the first.  Also, yes, the EM feature will be anonymous as well as the transactions (but anon transfers will be added in a second update soon to follow).  

I just spoke to the coders and I should be able to update everyone sometime today with a fairly accurate release date for the wallet with anon encrypted messaging.  Also, I have asked the coders to provide me with a whitepaper as well as a screen-capture video that demos & explains the anon EM feature (these will be posted prior to release).

Edit** Whitepaper and Video should be finished and posted here by this evening (EST)

June 10:

***UPDATE***

Anon Encrypted Messaging

EM White-paper: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10793660/wp.pdf
EM Wallet Demo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTjp6e7RDZo
(another video will be uploaded likely tomorrow going in greater detail)

Target Release Date: Thursday, June 12th

***Sneak-peak Update***

(posted earlier today)

Here is a basic breakdown of how Cinni's anon Encrypted Messaging feature will work (An in-depth explanation will be provided later tonight with release of the white paper):

Cinnicoin Encrypted Messaging Details:

Basic Method:

• The Elliptic Curve Diffie-Hellman (ECDH) key exchange method is used to share a secret key between the sender and receiver.
• The sender generates the secret key using a newly generated random private key and the recipient's public key.
• The payload is encrypted using AES-256-CBC with the first 32 bytes of the SHA512 hash of the secret key.
• If not sending anonymously the sender's address and compact signature are included in the payload.
• The encrypted payload and the public key of the newly generated keypair are sent to the recipient. The recipient generates the same secret key with their private key that matches the public key used by the sender and the public key included in the message.
• The payload is decrypted using the hashed secret key.
• The encrypted messages are stored on the filesytem in buckets by time and distributed to all nodes.
• It is not possible to tell the sender or receiver of the message from the encrypted message without having the private key of the recipient. [1]
• The messages are stored for 48 hours and are then deleted.
• Each node checks every message received from the network against all the addresses it owns. If a match is found a copy of the encrypted message is stored in the node's inbox database.

Additional Features:

• When not sending anonymously the sender's compact signature not only verifies that the message came from the owner of the address, but also enables the public key to be recovered allowing the recipient to reply even if the sender's address has no public key in the blockchain.
• Incoming transaction blocks are scanned for public keys.

(Again, this is just a basic explanation of what is already implemented in the wallet to be released this week.  A screen-cap video that demos & explains Cinni's EM feature will be released shortly alongside the WP)

June 13:

Anonymous Transfer White-paper

(100% true anonymity)

Here is a link to the promised white-paper for anon transfers (which will be uniquely built upon Cinni's EM platform - this method will offer 100% true anonymity, currently not offered in either DRK or XC):
https://www.mediafire.com/?49w5yo2cy7my4xr

(This feature is already in active development.  More details to be revealed soon)

Encrypted Messaging Wallets:

Here is the long awaited EM client. There will be a release to follow, which will include the invoicing, receipts, as well as various minor fixes.
Download and enjoy your new encrypted messages.
Windows
Linux

EM White-paper: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10793660/wp.pdf
EM Wallet Demos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTjp6e7RDZo & https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGpxCcAWz4o&feature=youtu.be

***Announcement***

(posted earlier today)

Update: EM wallets will be released within the next 1-2 hours.  For this release -- only Windows and Linux wallets will be compiled, and we will work on getting MAC wallet ASAP  (Originally this info was to be announced with the wallet updates, but I am making this announcement now because I have a meeting in 10 minutes and will not be around when we release the wallet).


Active Development:
Our Encrypted Messaging system will be the framework by which all future development will be built upon.  Here is a list of active development that will be built upon the EM platform:

   • Mobile wallets that fully support all features which are built into the desktop/PC wallets.
   • A combined Cinni/BTC wallet & Point of sale retailer system [1]
   • Anonymous Transfer System (will offer unprecedented 100% true anonymity uniquely built upon the EM platform) [2]

Notes*
   1. The idea behind the point of sale system and the combined Cinni/BTC wallet is that many retailers are accepting BTC but very few are accepting any alts.  Our goal is to make a point of sale system designed toward retailers that want to accept BTC.  We will offer this system for free, and bundle Cinni with it.  This way, Cinni can have a door into retailers.
   2. Because of Cinni’s unique EM platform, our method for Cinni’s anonymous transfer system, which will be built upon the EM platform, will offer unprecedented 100% true anonymity.  This is currently not something that even DRK or XC can offer.  We will release a white-paper with in-depth details on our method tonight sometime after the wallets are released.

(Greater details on everything here will be provided soon)

June 13:

My hope is that people understand the significance of the 100% true anon transfer feature that we are actively developing on the EM platform just released today.  100% true anonymity is something speculated to NOT be developed until 2015 or later.  This is a BIG DEAL.

June 13:

Evan of DRK recently said that, and I count him a pretty sound voice on anon tech.  Also, Cinni's ETA is less than 1 month until release of it's anon transfers (as I stated earlier).

June 13:

Both Monero and Cryptonote are not 100% anonymous -- transactions can still be traced (with some effort) in the blockchain.  Cinni's anon transfer does not operate on the blockchain, but outside of it.  Please read the whitepaper before you are making these statements -- everything is explained there in some detail.

June 13:

This is not correct.  ALL anon coins in existence right now do NOT offer 100% truly anonymous solutions.  Evan from DRK and Dan of XC will and have admitted to this.  Cinni's proposed method built uniquely upon the EM platform will be 100% truly anonymous (see whitepaper).  And yes, our ETA is ~ a few weeks.

June 13:

My hope is that people understand the significance of the 100% true anon transfer feature that we are actively developing on the EM platform just released today.  100% true anonymity is something speculated to NOT be developed until 2015 or later.  This is a BIG DEAL.

Disagree, zerocash ETA is in 3-6 months.

Our ETA is less than 1 month away.  We will have this out in a few weeks, or sooner.

June 14:

Dumping doesn't matter, IMO.  EM Invoice / receipts are being released this weekend.  And 100% true anon transfers will be released in 2-3 weeks.


But it would probably help the buy support more if I told everyone that we are currently working on a feature that cures cancer.

June 14

Hehe the problems is us Devs are doing what us Devs do we are developing.
I think our main focus right now is having a solid solution, then we can market it hard
We need lots of help from the community, and we are grateful to have such a good community.
After our next wallet release (scheduled for tomorrow evening), which will include a ton of bug fixes and new features, we will be focusing on anonymous transactions.
It would be great if someone in the community could make a promo video

The community is doing loads of work as it stands. This project is almost entirely community driven.
Logos, websites, cinnichain, and almost everything surrounding this coin has come from the community, which in turn are the investors too.

There is more than just investing bitcoin into CINNI on an exchange, yes buying CINNI is investing, but investing time into it is our way of investing, as we don't have the funds to go and buy CINNI, so we have to strengthen the CINNI that we do have

June 24:

Anonymous Transfer

Up next will be Cinni's anon transfers which will be uniquely built upon Cinni's EM platform.  

Our method will use CINNI's Encrypted Messaging system and onion routing (similar to TOR) in combination with “reserve relay nodes," to enable completely anonymous transfers/payments within the blockchain system.  This method will offer 100% true anonymity.

See white-paper:
https://www.mediafire.com/?49w5yo2cy7my4xr

June 26:

well it is opensource, and I am a dev on the team, but cinnidev is still my superior I guess.
I think Cinnidev would probably be the best person to talk to, as I am actively involved in about 4 projects at any given time for the past few years.
Cinnidev really loves his coin, enough to have gotten me on board as well, so he is definitely the guy to talk to
CinniCoin is the only coin I've worked on, and the only coin I probably will work on

July 4:

I have a good feelingabout tthis coin. Sooner or later it will pop. Dont forget drk was at 4 btc volume a day before the rise . I'll be losing at around $25000 + if cinni devs don't deliver but I think this coin is great. I also like how the devs don't release announments just for the sake of making the price go up. Very respectful and honorable to their commitment in making an anonymous transfer coin.

The current price will hover around this level for another 2 weeks or so, maybe hitting a bottom of 4500... as intended then we will see some sparks flying. I don't think we will get any dev updates for about 2 weeks. So good buying time.

2 weeks?

Maybe less. I guess the devs are playing a smart game not giving any release date. Perhaps this comes tomorrow, by the end of the week, or in more than two. We just don't know anything...

Here's a msg from Rynomster last week:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=573232.msg7552014#msg7552014

There is loads of calculations that need to be done, and we are trying to get beyond the point of obfuscation.
It's really easy in theory, but in reality you don't know how its going to work out, and who is going to be online by the time the transactions are created.
With a 15s blocktime it is really difficult in a p2p network, as you never know who you will be communicating with.

Its a really mind blowing concept, and a real challenge, which is why we are taking our time to finalize the actual concept in the R&D phase.

From there onwards its going to be a quick and easy implementation.
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July 6:

bye bye cinni....  

Rynomster is on IRC.  I'm talking with him, the dev team is absolutely not running away.

Just a tiny update for us loyal investors?

It's hard, i cannot say much, but it definitely seems like everything is fine regarding CINNI's development. If anyone still feels scared of dev is gone fud, just go on IRC to calme down, like that you'll see that everything is alright.

##Cinnicoin

I'm sure that Cinnicoin will make an update soon.

July 6:

Investors need to know when will be any update? Why Rynomster has not written anything here?

I PM'd him for an update, and he sent back a very friendly note, the same day, saying he'd been away, was now back and would get caught up before writing back with an update. That was about 5 days ago and I havent yet heard back.


July 6:

Investors need to know when will be any update? Why Rynomster has not written anything here?

He was on IRC, but i guess he didn't want to post since it was 1st, no time to worry, 2nd if Cinnicoin had ran away he would had been as shocked as us obviously.  He actually told me that posting something just for the sake of calming would be lying.

See how much morality do our devs have guys

July 7:

It was yesterday on IRC.
Rynomster also told me he asked Cinnicoin some time for himself due to personal issues. But he was definitely still holding Cinni and paying interest to the coin!

Anyone with an interest in making a clean exit from the coin at a better price would say that, including that "marketing" guy who was hyperbullish on CINNI... before he left.


July 8:

Hi everyone,

As you may or may not have noticed, I have been fairly inactive lately -- my apologies for this.  There is really no easy way to say this, however, due to life circumstances, I am no longer able to act as community manager for CinniCoin (please remember that I was only a volunteer and not part of the original dev team).  CinniCoin (dev) is still working on projects for this coin.  However, I am no longer able to devote my time and energy to it.

If the community has or does find a replacement, I will be glad to hand over the twitter account.  Just send me a PM.

Thanks, and I wish CinniCoin all the best.

=====

My "interpretation" of these facts:

1) Before you both left CINNI roughly around the same time, you spent weeks hyping development of anon tech in progress to the CINNI community.
2) They the community was misled into thinking they were developing unique anon tech for CINNI -- 100% decentralised, trustless
3) strange, anomolous dumps of CINNI kept happening every time CINNI's price made serious attempts to rally during the seemingly positive updates
4) You both suddenly departed around the same time for "personal"/"family"/"life" reasons.
5) Weeks later, new anon tech turns up in your new coin Shadowcoin.

And, yes, this is all my "interpretation"...in the same way I "interpret" that something stinks if I see people coming out of a room holding their noses, even if I don't smell it directly yet...

Again, I don't particular care about this history anymore. I only dredge it up because I do care that battbot (and to a lesser extent you and your allies/proxies/sock-puppets?) are trying to whitewash this history, amid a sorry lack of any accountability by devs in this forum. I won't stand for it. I think more people should be informed about recent history and the concept of track records needs to be established here.

Anyone else can see CINNI thread for all details to review the full, original context and see if I've taken anything out of context:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=573232.5260

If I missed anything relevant that was *publicly posted*, feel free to let me know.
This is an open, unmoderated forum - unlike other threads, open discussion is welcome here.

[sdersdf2]

Is this serious?

Let's stop wasting energy on that. Ryno isn't the monster painted here.
It is not a fair trial, and proof aren't loyal.

I like you a lot guys, but I cannot support you on that.  

I'm not privvy to everything you know about private conversations, but I'm sorry - I disagree with you on this based on what was posted publicly on the forum, available for everyone to see. People are free to look at all the facts presented and "interpret" for themselves.

And, again, I was willing to let all this go, and frankly dont care about the history itself anymore -- this is crypto, it is what it is and we are all, to one extent or another, self-interested here -- but having battbot come back to the CINNI thread to protest his innocence and whitewash what he did/said and when is just not something I can allow to stand.

[Schild_]

Is this serious?

Let's stop wasting energy on that. Ryno isn't the monster painted here.
It is not a fair trial, and proof aren't loyal.

I like you a lot guys, but I cannot support you on that.  

I'm not privvy to everything you know about private conversations, but I'm sorry - I disagree with you on this based on what was posted publicly on the forum, available for everyone to see. People are free to look at all the facts presented and "interpret" for themselves.

And, again, I was willing to let all this go, and frankly dont care about the history itself anymore -- this is crypto, it is what it is and we are all, to one extent or another, self-interested here -- but having battbot come back to the CINNI thread to protest his innocence and whitewash what he did/said and when is just not something I can allow to stand.

For Battbot I can't tell at all, but for Ryno my own synthesis is that he didn't try to scam anyone. I'll keep it simple by saying that, cause I don't have the time nor the energy to write a long speech about how and why i made that conclusion.

Of course, you are free to have your opinion on that one, but it becomes a bit of problem if your action have consequences for others. I mean... As long as you can't show clearly with perfect proofs that someone is a scammer, i'd not post things that can hurt his work, or reputation because he might be not guilty of what you think he's guilty for.

[gpools]

loser you are loser Rynomster  not ask you buy cinni.  gameofcoin.

[sdersdf2]

Can not we try to report the crime? It now seems that cinnicoin conscious people have scammed.

We can report it online, let the Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3) investigate it.

Government overregulation and interference in the economy has basically destroyed growth and innovation across the western world - crypto is one of the few free markets left. We should all try to keep it that way.

We're all responsible for the decisions we make or don't make in this ecosystem. What happened is not a crime requiring regulators. I think it's enough to simply post the facts of what happened (or rather, what didn't happen) so that people can make better informed decisions in the future going forward. With POD and other developments sure to come, the ecosystem will hopefully get a lot healthier and transparent, and better able to regulate itself.

The people looking to regulation now are forgetting one of the basic principles of crypto - that free informed people, eventually, are capable of self-regulating themselves for mutual benefit, without corrupt bureaucrats and governments bringing their own corruption into the mix. Well, at least, here's hoping.

[sdersdf2]

For Battbot I can't tell at all, but for Ryno my own synthesis is that he didn't try to scam anyone. I'll keep it simple by saying that, cause I don't have the time nor the energy to write a long speech about how and why i made that conclusion.

Of course, you are free to have your opinion on that one, but it becomes a bit of problem if your action have consequences for others. I mean... As long as you can't show clearly with perfect proofs that someone is a scammer, i'd not post things that can hurt his work, or reputation because he might be not guilty of what you think he's guilty for.

I posted the facts and leave it to people to interpret them for themselves. Also, this is an open, unmoderated, uncensored thread - unlike other threads. People are free to contest what I've written, although most of it is copy-paste of the facts. Interesting that no one's come to battbot's defense, except maybe Cinnicoin dev.

[HappyHogan]

Can not we try to report the crime? It now seems that cinnicoin conscious people have scammed.

We can report it online, let the Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3) investigate it.

Government overregulation and interference in the economy has basically destroyed growth and innovation across the western world - crypto is one of the few free markets left. We should all try to keep it that way.

We're all responsible for the decisions we make or don't make in this ecosystem. What happened is not a crime requiring regulators. I think it's enough to simply post the facts of what happened (or rather, what didn't happen) so that people can make better informed decisions in the future going forward. With POD and other developments sure to come, the ecosystem will hopefully get a lot healthier and transparent, and better able to regulate itself.

The people looking to regulation now are forgetting one of the basic principles of crypto - that free informed people, eventually, are capable of self-regulating themselves for mutual benefit, with corrupt bureaucrats and governments bringing their own corruption into the mix. Well, at least, here's hoping.

Sorry, but I'm serious. I understand the government's story. But that is not a license for scammers. Hackers often steal bitcoin of people. Would you say that someone should do not make a report of it?

I never complained about my losses in other currencies. This is indeed a risk.

but cinnicoin deliberately people scammed.

so it seems anyway.

Unfortunately, I'm almost certain governments are going to start interfering with markets that have practices such as this. It's already happening to a certain degree. I have no doubt that a lot of the scammers in crypto are going to get away with it, I also have no doubt that some are going to land in hot water.

[sdersdf2]

Can not we try to report the crime? It now seems that cinnicoin conscious people have scammed.

We can report it online, let the Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3) investigate it.

Government overregulation and interference in the economy has basically destroyed growth and innovation across the western world - crypto is one of the few free markets left. We should all try to keep it that way.

We're all responsible for the decisions we make or don't make in this ecosystem. What happened is not a crime requiring regulators. I think it's enough to simply post the facts of what happened (or rather, what didn't happen) so that people can make better informed decisions in the future going forward. With POD and other developments sure to come, the ecosystem will hopefully get a lot healthier and transparent, and better able to regulate itself.

The people looking to regulation now are forgetting one of the basic principles of crypto - that free informed people, eventually, are capable of self-regulating themselves for mutual benefit, with corrupt bureaucrats and governments bringing their own corruption into the mix. Well, at least, here's hoping.

Sorry, but I'm serious. I understand the government's story. But that is not a license for scammers. Hackers often steal bitcoin of people. Would you say that someone should do not make a report of it?

I never complained about my losses in other currencies. This is indeed a risk.

but cinnicoin deliberately people scammed.

so it seems anyway.

As far as the specifics of what Cinnicoin did or didn't do - I certainly think he's a joke and that he has mismanaged Cinnicoin into the ground. I still think Cinni can be rebuilt if he's kicked out. Going beyond that doesn't really help the situation.

As far as the separate example of hackers, obviously that's a crime, but that's not what Cinnicoin did. I think the biggest problem with Cinnicoin is that he iis passive (or pretends to be) and does nothing. I just wish he'd hand over the thread to someone who actually does something for Cinni.

On the larger issue of government interference - beware unintended consequences. I think what many of us have learned, and what brought many of us to crypto, is the awareness that many governments, regulators and bureaucrats often are not serving the public interest - they are often serving their own interests. Government interference is a Trojan Horse that turned what was once America, a constitutional republic, into a socialist cesspool of influence peddling and power concentrated among elites in Washington that would have made Louis XIV's Versailles blush. And it's turned much of Western Europe into a museum for Chinese tourists.

[gorgo]

If you really want to take over cinni and he is not willing to do so you can do it anyway
The only thing you really need is the community behind you

1. gather the community
2. create a new thread
3. fork the cinnicoin repository
4. contact exchanges
5. proceed cinnicoin development with your new team

it would be easier if cinnicoindev agrees to hand over the thread and github repo but since it is all open source there are ways around that

[sdersdf2]

If you really want to take over cinni and he is not willing to do so you can do it anyway
The only thing you really need is the community behind you

1. gather the community
2. create a new thread
3. fork the cinnicoin repository
4. contact exchanges
5. proceed cinnicoin development with your new team

it would be easier if cinnicoindev agrees to hand over the thread and github repo but since it is all open source there are ways around that

As I've written on the CINNI thread, the concern, from a marketing perspective, is that, at least for a while, people searching on Google or Bing for CINNI will end up on a thread controlled (passively) by Cinnicoin "dev". No one's willing to commit any time, energy or resources to any development/marketing rescue plan that could conceivably at some point in time -- some critical point in time -- be held hostage by Cinnicoin "dev"'s absence, incompetence and/or passivity.

btw, he's been promising that his "plan" is coming "soon" for weeks, and who's to say, even if such a plan exists that it wouldn't conflict with any other plan. Just too much risk to try something new unless he's out and there's a responsive leadership team that coordinates and speaks with one voice.

[Schild_]

For Battbot I can't tell at all, but for Ryno my own synthesis is that he didn't try to scam anyone. I'll keep it simple by saying that, cause I don't have the time nor the energy to write a long speech about how and why i made that conclusion.

Of course, you are free to have your opinion on that one, but it becomes a bit of problem if your action have consequences for others. I mean... As long as you can't show clearly with perfect proofs that someone is a scammer, i'd not post things that can hurt his work, or reputation because he might be not guilty of what you think he's guilty for.

I posted the facts and leave it to people to interpret them for themselves. Also, this is an open, unmoderated, uncensored thread - unlike other threads. People are free to contest what I've written, although most of it is copy-paste of the facts. Interesting that no one's come to battbot's defense, except maybe Cinnicoin dev.

They are not FACTS. Since when what people write on forum become 100% indiscutable facts? Why are you interpreting everything literal?  The forum is not the holly bible.

Things have to be replaced in their own context. When you quote me, you are not being objective, you use it as a proof to illustrate your theory.
I can tell you your interpretations of my OWN quote, are absolutely partial, plus you were not in my mind nor shared my experience, the reality you imagine is not the one that i experienced...

When i said Ryno refused to post, you cannot consider it as Ryno refused to post because he didn't care and was creating his new way to rip us off or whatever you might imagine. The only "fact" that seems objective in this story is that he didn't post, and that's it, but you cannot claim you know why he didn't post as a fact.


I'd tend to say if you guys wants to discuss all of this, just go on SDC IRC, find Rynomster and debate.

[HEISENAIR]

Schild, it's obvious you get on well with Ryonmaster and feel obligated to defend him. I have no doubt you believe him and he has done no wrong.

I wholeheartedly disagree though. Ryonmaster had family issues at a very very coincidental time. Complete lie IMO. But, again, just my opinion.

Probably better to let people speak for themselves Schild. It looks a bit weird tbh the way you are his spokesperson.

[battbot]

Okay, I just noticed this thread this morning. Here are my initial thoughts.

I'm not a coder so I was not directly involved in any of the actual coding development. But for every post I made regarding the anonymous transfer feature for Cinni, I was under the impression that it was in progress, and had no reason to think otherwise.  

As for the reason I stepped down as community manager, I had a summer internship that obligated 80 hour work weeks from June to August. I am just returning home from that internship now. I will return on Thursday, after which I would be happy to discuss any and all clarifying questions on IRC to the best of my knowledge.

Again, I joined cinni project as a volunteer community manager after the project was about 1-2 weeks old. This much should be evident if you go digging through the old thread. I was not involved in the original creation of this coin. Neither did I know cinnidev or rynomster prior to the creation of cinni, but only afterwards.

 I don't know what to say regarding the conspiracy theories other than that they are simply not true. I would be happy to provide a log of every single private message between cinnicoin dev and myself via bitcointalk when I return on Thursday - from reading this, it should become clear that i was not collaborative with him with any ill intention, and that I did not know him prior to cinnicoin.

I have sent cinnidev in the first weeks of cinni being created, numerous PMs trying to get him to publicly reveal his identity to me and the community for the good of the coins image - why would I do this if I was already conspiring with him? I have also sent cinnidev numerous PMs to get him to communicate with the team via irc, email, etc, but he would only communicate via bct.  Communication with him was infuriating, to say the least. Anyways, I will post this if desired.

I would ask that we be respectful to each other, if possible, and I apologize for any confusion on my part.

[Schild_]

Schild, it's obvious you get on well with Ryonmaster and feel obligated to defend him. I have no doubt you believe him and he has done no wrong.

I wholeheartedly disagree though. Ryonmaster had family issues at a very very coincidental time. Complete lie IMO. But, again, just my opinion.

Probably better to let people speak for themselves Schild. It looks a bit weird tbh the way you are his spokesperson.

I've let people fight each other during a long time without saying a word. I started posting when tevayo first posted about me, and shorty after this thread was created. I didn't post because i felt obligated to defend him,  I posted because this was not fair and this theory, regarding the elements I know isn't true, not to mention i have a right to give precision, because I got quoted to illustrate something.

EDIT: The only thing I see is that we are losing our time posting in here.  As you said  "I have no doubt you believe him and he has done no wrong" .

I'm also sure you believe he scammed you and nothing can change that apparently.

Now regarding all these elements, people will judge by themselves and think whatever they want about this situation. At least i made my contribution.

Regards...

[Schild_]

Okay, I just noticed this thread this morning. Here are my initial thoughts.

I'm not a coder so I was not directly involved in any of the actual coding development. But for every post I made regarding the anonymous transfer feature for Cinni, I was under the impression that it was in progress, and had no reason to think otherwise.  

As for the reason I stepped down as community manager, I had a summer internship that obligated 80 hour work weeks from June to August. I am just returning home from that internship now. I will return on Thursday, after which I would be happy to discuss any and all clarifying questions on IRC to the best of my knowledge.

Again, I joined cinni project as a volunteer community manager after the project was about 1-2 weeks old. This much should be evident if you go digging through the old thread. I was not involved in the original creation of this coin. Neither did I know cinnidev or rynomster prior to the creation of cinni, but only afterwards.

 I don't know what to say regarding the conspiracy theories other than that they are simply not true. I would be happy to provide a log of every single private message between cinnicoin dev and myself via bitcointalk when I return on Thursday - from reading this, it should become clear that i was not collaborative with him with any ill intention, and that I did not know him prior to cinnicoin.

I have sent cinnidev in the first weeks of cinni being created, numerous PMs trying to get him to publicly reveal his identity to me and the community for the good of the coins image - why would I do this if I was already conspiring with him? I have also sent cinnidev numerous PMs to get him to communicate with the team via irc, email, etc, but he would only communicate via bct.  Communication with him was infuriating, to say the least. Anyways, I will post this if desired.

I would ask that we be respectful to each other, if possible, and I apologize for any confusion on my part.

would like to see these PM from Cinnidev.

Lol. No need to see them, here everybody will believe batbott on that point. We all experienced that.

[sdersdf2]

Can not we try to report the crime? It now seems that cinnicoin conscious people have scammed.

We can report it online, let the Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3) investigate it.

Government overregulation and interference in the economy has basically destroyed growth and innovation across the western world - crypto is one of the few free markets left. We should all try to keep it that way.

We're all responsible for the decisions we make or don't make in this ecosystem. What happened is not a crime requiring regulators. I think it's enough to simply post the facts of what happened (or rather, what didn't happen) so that people can make better informed decisions in the future going forward. With POD and other developments sure to come, the ecosystem will hopefully get a lot healthier and transparent, and better able to regulate itself.

The people looking to regulation now are forgetting one of the basic principles of crypto - that free informed people, eventually, are capable of self-regulating themselves for mutual benefit, with corrupt bureaucrats and governments bringing their own corruption into the mix. Well, at least, here's hoping.

Sorry, but I'm serious. I understand the government's story. But that is not a license for scammers. Hackers often steal bitcoin of people. Would you say that someone should do not make a report of it?

I never complained about my losses in other currencies. This is indeed a risk.

but cinnicoin deliberately people scammed.

so it seems anyway.

Unfortunately, I'm almost certain governments are going to start interfering with markets that have practices such as this. It's already happening to a certain degree. I have no doubt that a lot of the scammers in crypto are going to get away with it, I also have no doubt that some are going to land in hot water.

You may be right - it will be an absolute tragedy if the short-sightedness of scammer devs and the short sightedness of buyers calling for all the wrong-headed regulation and government interference and corruption that has distorted and ruined commerce across the West bring that corruption here. Absolutely tragic. I am optimistic that, in fits and starts, we're evolving toward something better and that higher standards (cryptoasian, POD, etc.) and more p2p innovation (Ethereum, blockchain 2.0, decentralised autonomous organisations, smart contracts) will head this off before it's too late.

[sdersdf2]

For Battbot I can't tell at all, but for Ryno my own synthesis is that he didn't try to scam anyone. I'll keep it simple by saying that, cause I don't have the time nor the energy to write a long speech about how and why i made that conclusion.

Of course, you are free to have your opinion on that one, but it becomes a bit of problem if your action have consequences for others. I mean... As long as you can't show clearly with perfect proofs that someone is a scammer, i'd not post things that can hurt his work, or reputation because he might be not guilty of what you think he's guilty for.

I posted the facts and leave it to people to interpret them for themselves. Also, this is an open, unmoderated, uncensored thread - unlike other threads. People are free to contest what I've written, although most of it is copy-paste of the facts. Interesting that no one's come to battbot's defense, except maybe Cinnicoin dev.

They are not FACTS. Since when what people write on forum become 100% indiscutable facts? Why are you interpreting everything literal?  The forum is not the holly bible.

Things have to be replaced in their own context. When you quote me, you are not being objective, you use it as a proof to illustrate your theory.
I can tell you your interpretations of my OWN quote, are absolutely partial, plus you were not in my mind nor shared my experience, the reality you imagine is not the one that i experienced...

When i said Ryno refused to post, you cannot consider it as Ryno refused to post because he didn't care and was creating his new way to rip us off or whatever you might imagine. The only "fact" that seems objective in this story is that he didn't post, and that's it, but you cannot claim you know why he didn't post as a fact.


I'd tend to say if you guys wants to discuss all of this, just go on SDC IRC, find Rynomster and debate.

Respectfully, Schild_, all of these quotes are facts directly copied from the thread and any one is welcome to visit CINNI's thread to see if my summary takes anything out of context or out of chronological order. It doesn't. I don't say anything about Ryno's refusal to post, I just copied the comments from him, you and battbot.

[sdersdf2]

Okay, I just noticed this thread this morning. Here are my initial thoughts.

I'm not a coder so I was not directly involved in any of the actual coding development. But for every post I made regarding the anonymous transfer feature for Cinni, I was under the impression that it was in progress, and had no reason to think otherwise.  

As for the reason I stepped down as community manager, I had a summer internship that obligated 80 hour work weeks from June to August. I am just returning home from that internship now. I will return on Thursday, after which I would be happy to discuss any and all clarifying questions on IRC to the best of my knowledge.

Again, I joined cinni project as a volunteer community manager after the project was about 1-2 weeks old. This much should be evident if you go digging through the old thread. I was not involved in the original creation of this coin. Neither did I know cinnidev or rynomster prior to the creation of cinni, but only afterwards.

 I don't know what to say regarding the conspiracy theories other than that they are simply not true. I would be happy to provide a log of every single private message between cinnicoin dev and myself via bitcointalk when I return on Thursday - from reading this, it should become clear that i was not collaborative with him with any ill intention, and that I did not know him prior to cinnicoin.

I have sent cinnidev in the first weeks of cinni being created, numerous PMs trying to get him to publicly reveal his identity to me and the community for the good of the coins image - why would I do this if I was already conspiring with him? I have also sent cinnidev numerous PMs to get him to communicate with the team via irc, email, etc, but he would only communicate via bct.  Communication with him was infuriating, to say the least. Anyways, I will post this if desired.

I would ask that we be respectful to each other, if possible, and I apologize for any confusion on my part.

Sorry, but the timing is all really suspect - and, yes, that's my interpretation. Also, and this isn't even touched upon in the summary, the reality is that you became disengaged from CINNI before your made your absence official. Again, I dont fault anyone for pursuing their own interests and other coins - heck, I have, who wouldn't. I just feel the CINNI community was hyper-sold a bill of goods about this anon tech before key devs all left around the same time, leaving CINNI an empty shell. The chronology and quotes are all there for people to review, challenge and "interpret" for themselves.

Feel free to add anything independently verifiable to the record of what happened, because the facts I know that were public paint a pretty clear picture to me.

[sdersdf2]

Okay, I just noticed this thread this morning. Here are my initial thoughts.

I'm not a coder so I was not directly involved in any of the actual coding development. But for every post I made regarding the anonymous transfer feature for Cinni, I was under the impression that it was in progress, and had no reason to think otherwise.  

As for the reason I stepped down as community manager, I had a summer internship that obligated 80 hour work weeks from June to August. I am just returning home from that internship now. I will return on Thursday, after which I would be happy to discuss any and all clarifying questions on IRC to the best of my knowledge.

Again, I joined cinni project as a volunteer community manager after the project was about 1-2 weeks old. This much should be evident if you go digging through the old thread. I was not involved in the original creation of this coin. Neither did I know cinnidev or rynomster prior to the creation of cinni, but only afterwards.

 I don't know what to say regarding the conspiracy theories other than that they are simply not true. I would be happy to provide a log of every single private message between cinnicoin dev and myself via bitcointalk when I return on Thursday - from reading this, it should become clear that i was not collaborative with him with any ill intention, and that I did not know him prior to cinnicoin.

I have sent cinnidev in the first weeks of cinni being created, numerous PMs trying to get him to publicly reveal his identity to me and the community for the good of the coins image - why would I do this if I was already conspiring with him? I have also sent cinnidev numerous PMs to get him to communicate with the team via irc, email, etc, but he would only communicate via bct.  Communication with him was infuriating, to say the least. Anyways, I will post this if desired.

I would ask that we be respectful to each other, if possible, and I apologize for any confusion on my part.

would like to see these PM from Cinnidev.

You know, amid all this, sometimes I forget Cinnidev exists.

[sdersdf2]

Schild, it's obvious you get on well with Ryonmaster and feel obligated to defend him. I have no doubt you believe him and he has done no wrong.

I wholeheartedly disagree though. Ryonmaster had family issues at a very very coincidental time. Complete lie IMO. But, again, just my opinion.

Probably better to let people speak for themselves Schild. It looks a bit weird tbh the way you are his spokesperson.

I've let people fight each other during a long time without saying a word. I started posting when tevayo first posted about me, and shorty after this thread was created. I didn't post because i felt obligated to defend him,  I posted because this was not fair and this theory, regarding the elements I know isn't true, not to mention i have a right to give precision, because I got quoted to illustrate something.

EDIT: The only thing I see is that we are losing our time posting in here.  As you said  "I have no doubt you believe him and he has done no wrong" .

I'm also sure you believe he scammed you and nothing can change that apparently.

Now regarding all these elements, people will judge by themselves and think whatever they want about this situation. At least i made my contribution.

Regards...

Agree about the time spent. Fair enough, but I will respond where a response is merited. This CINNI history was just a bad memory for me, until I saw battbot's comments, which to me required a response.

[battbot]

Okay, I just noticed this thread this morning. Here are my initial thoughts.

I'm not a coder so I was not directly involved in any of the actual coding development. But for every post I made regarding the anonymous transfer feature for Cinni, I was under the impression that it was in progress, and had no reason to think otherwise.  

As for the reason I stepped down as community manager, I had a summer internship that obligated 80 hour work weeks from June to August. I am just returning home from that internship now. I will return on Thursday, after which I would be happy to discuss any and all clarifying questions on IRC to the best of my knowledge.

Again, I joined cinni project as a volunteer community manager after the project was about 1-2 weeks old. This much should be evident if you go digging through the old thread. I was not involved in the original creation of this coin. Neither did I know cinnidev or rynomster prior to the creation of cinni, but only afterwards.

 I don't know what to say regarding the conspiracy theories other than that they are simply not true. I would be happy to provide a log of every single private message between cinnicoin dev and myself via bitcointalk when I return on Thursday - from reading this, it should become clear that i was not collaborative with him with any ill intention, and that I did not know him prior to cinnicoin.

I have sent cinnidev in the first weeks of cinni being created, numerous PMs trying to get him to publicly reveal his identity to me and the community for the good of the coins image - why would I do this if I was already conspiring with him? I have also sent cinnidev numerous PMs to get him to communicate with the team via irc, email, etc, but he would only communicate via bct.  Communication with him was infuriating, to say the least. Anyways, I will post this if desired.

I would ask that we be respectful to each other, if possible, and I apologize for any confusion on my part.

Sorry, but the timing is all really suspect - and, yes, that's my interpretation. Also, and this isn't even touched upon in the summary, the reality is that you became disengaged from CINNI before your made your absence official. Again, I dont fault anyone for pursuing their own interests and other coins - heck, I have, who wouldn't. I just feel the CINNI community was hyper-sold a bill of goods about this anon tech before key devs all left around the same time, leaving CINNI an empty shell. The chronology and quotes are all there for people to review, challenge and "interpret" for themselves.

Feel free to add anything independently verifiable to the record of what happened, because the facts I know that were public paint a pretty clear picture to me.

They also paint a clear picture of a community manager who was working voluntarily to try to help a coin, and made announcements of features that, at the time, he believed were truly in development.

Yes, I went silent and stepped down as comm mgr, mainly due to my internship obligations. I did at some point come to the understanding that no anon transfers would be released for Cinni, however this was after all announcements I made. Perhaps I should have been the one to break the bad news, but I decided to let rynomster open that can of worms as he saw best, it was his decision, after all. Ultimately, I had no control over his continued development for Cinni, but neither was he obligated. And cinnidev did not make things easier, though he seemed sincere enough, his poor communication was disabling, I can't blame rynomster for leaving one bit.

[sdersdf2]

Okay, I just noticed this thread this morning. Here are my initial thoughts.

I'm not a coder so I was not directly involved in any of the actual coding development. But for every post I made regarding the anonymous transfer feature for Cinni, I was under the impression that it was in progress, and had no reason to think otherwise.  

As for the reason I stepped down as community manager, I had a summer internship that obligated 80 hour work weeks from June to August. I am just returning home from that internship now. I will return on Thursday, after which I would be happy to discuss any and all clarifying questions on IRC to the best of my knowledge.

Again, I joined cinni project as a volunteer community manager after the project was about 1-2 weeks old. This much should be evident if you go digging through the old thread. I was not involved in the original creation of this coin. Neither did I know cinnidev or rynomster prior to the creation of cinni, but only afterwards.

 I don't know what to say regarding the conspiracy theories other than that they are simply not true. I would be happy to provide a log of every single private message between cinnicoin dev and myself via bitcointalk when I return on Thursday - from reading this, it should become clear that i was not collaborative with him with any ill intention, and that I did not know him prior to cinnicoin.

I have sent cinnidev in the first weeks of cinni being created, numerous PMs trying to get him to publicly reveal his identity to me and the community for the good of the coins image - why would I do this if I was already conspiring with him? I have also sent cinnidev numerous PMs to get him to communicate with the team via irc, email, etc, but he would only communicate via bct.  Communication with him was infuriating, to say the least. Anyways, I will post this if desired.

I would ask that we be respectful to each other, if possible, and I apologize for any confusion on my part.

Sorry, but the timing is all really suspect - and, yes, that's my interpretation. Also, and this isn't even touched upon in the summary, the reality is that you became disengaged from CINNI before your made your absence official. Again, I dont fault anyone for pursuing their own interests and other coins - heck, I have, who wouldn't. I just feel the CINNI community was hyper-sold a bill of goods about this anon tech before key devs all left around the same time, leaving CINNI an empty shell. The chronology and quotes are all there for people to review, challenge and "interpret" for themselves.

Feel free to add anything independently verifiable to the record of what happened, because the facts I know that were public paint a pretty clear picture to me.

They also paint a clear picture of a community manager who was working voluntarily to try to help a coin, and made announcements of features that, at the time, he believed were truly in development.

Yes, I went silent and stepped down as comm mgr, mainly due to my internship obligations. I did at some point come to the understanding that no anon transfers would be released for Cinni, however this was after all announcements I made. Perhaps I should have been the one to break the bad news, but I decided to let rynomster open that can of worms as he saw best, it was his decision, after all. Ultimately, I had no control over his continued development for Cinni, but neither was he obligated. And cinnidev did not make things easier, though he seemed sincere enough, his poor communication was disabling, I can't blame rynomster for leaving one bit.

Well, that's one thing we agree on - Cinnidev is a joke.

[battbot]

Would it help if I told you that my internship was with a Presbyterian Church and I'm currently a student in Seminary studying to be a pastor? I suppose you could call me a liar or perhaps a hypocritical Christian, or perhaps it means nothing at all to you. But I don't know what else to say. It seems nothing I can say will sway what you are already convinced of.

[HEISENAIR]

Can you say an extra prayer for Cinnicoin then.  And chuck in a request for the Dev to give us the keys

[battbot]

Can you say an extra prayer for Cinnicoin then.  And chuck in a request for the Dev to give us the keys

Yes, I will send cinnidev a PM asking him to hand over the keys if he is no longer developing for Cinni. No guarantees, but I don't see why he would be necessarily opposed to this.

Edit - just sent him a PM. Will let you know what he says.

[sdersdf2]

Can you say an extra prayer for Cinnicoin then.  And chuck in a request for the Dev to give us the keys

LOL

[Schild_]

Can you say an extra prayer for Cinnicoin then.  And chuck in a request for the Dev to give us the keys

LOL

  lol

[battbot]

Hey buddy,

Well, it looks like the cinni community would like to receive the keys from you so they can continue development. If you are no longer developing for Cinni, I think this would be a good thing, and everyone would be much happier.

Do you think you can hand over the keys to them? I also would appreciate this. Let me know your thoughts.

Thanks!

Hi Battbot

Ok. If you think it is a good idea.

I don't know what keys they need though.
The i don't have access to the website. The access is with devachelekar or godwits.
The twitter account access is with newb4now

The github source can be found here https://github.com/Cinnicoin/CinniCoin

The thread access:
they can make a new thread and i can lock this one and include a link to the new one.


Really sad that they want this. I really wanted to make timeshares and distribute it to cinnicoin holders.
I still own all my cinni too.

Okay, see above for cinnidev's response to my PM.  It seems he is willing to hand over the keys (but it also seems he is confused on how to do this).  

Whoever in the cinni community is planning to retrieve the keys and continue development -- I will leave it up to you to follow-up with cinnidev and work with him on this issue.  Please let me know if you need any further assistance.  

[sdersdf2]

Hey buddy,

Well, it looks like the cinni community would like to receive the keys from you so they can continue development. If you are no longer developing for Cinni, I think this would be a good thing, and everyone would be much happier.

Do you think you can hand over the keys to them? I also would appreciate this. Let me know your thoughts.

Thanks!

Hi Battbot

Ok. If you think it is a good idea.

I don't know what keys they need though.
The i don't have access to the website. The access is with devachelekar or godwits.
The twitter account access is with newb4now

The github source can be found here https://github.com/Cinnicoin/CinniCoin

The thread access:
they can make a new thread and i can lock this one and include a link to the new one.


Really sad that they want this. I really wanted to make timeshares and distribute it to cinnicoin holders.
I still own all my cinni too.

Okay, see above for cinnidev's response to my PM.  It seems he is willing to hand over the keys (but it also seems he is confused on how to do this).  

Whoever in the cinni community is planning to retrieve the keys and continue development -- I will leave it up to you to follow-up with cinnidev and work with him on this issue.  Please let me know if you need any further assistance.  

We need his/your assistance to get everything - thread, twitter, website and whatever else is out there. I'll give him a new thread to link to over the coming week and if he's fully cooperative and effective in facilitating all of the above, as a peace/truce/good-faith gesture, I'll delete this thread.

[battbot]

We need his/your assistance to get everything - thread, twitter, website and whatever else is out there. I'll give him a new thread to link to over the coming week and if he's fully cooperative and effective in facilitating all of the above, as a peace/truce/good-faith gesture, I'll delete this thread.

I'll do what I can to help.  But I never had access to anything other than social media accounts -- and I already gave these passwords away to 1-2 other cinni community people around the time I stepped down as comm manager.  If the passwords were not changed, I can re-provide them if needed.  I can also tell you who I gave the passwords to, if needed.