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September 02, 2014, 09:35:36 AM |
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crazyivan, how do u explain they made that Panama company just 3 weeks ago after people started to ask questions ?
does that mean they operated illegally ? i guess answer is yes ...
... and we all know a Panama company dosent really mean anything ... costs u a few hundred bucks to register one ...
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Each block is stacked on top of the previous one. Adding another block to the top makes all lower blocks more difficult to remove: there is more "weight" above each block. A transaction in a block 6 blocks deep (6 confirmations) will be very difficult to remove.
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crazyivan (OP)
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September 02, 2014, 10:21:43 AM |
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crazyivan, how do u explain they made that Panama company just 3 weeks ago after people started to ask questions ?
does that mean they operated illegally ? i guess answer is yes ...
... and we all know a Panama company dosent really mean anything ... costs u a few hundred bucks to register one ...
Fully agree with you. Their registration was probably non existent before and they went through with it recently. On the other hand, do you really think dicebitco.in from your signature is registered somewhere? If dicebitco.in goes down with your money for example, who are you going to complain? Right, absolutely nobody. Mt.gox. was registered company and look what happened to people having money there. Nobody can help them now. Do not forget we are talking about BTC industry which is unregulated and decentralized per se. This all means people need to be very careful where they invest their money. In my numerous previous posts I have stated people who are risk averse should stay away from Bitcoin in general, including any kind of BTC related investments or businesses. It is simple as that. Asking some kind of solid assurance in an unregulated world is next to impossible. Another thing, I have noticed people considering me as being their representative or connected to them in some other way. Let me be crystal clear on this topic. I JUST use them, I have invested my own money in it and I have no connection to this website of any kind. They have a list of official representatives on their website and I am not one of them. At least 50 times in this thread I have stated this is a potentially risky investment. I have also stated 50 times I cannot be responsible for investment decision of other people. If you like it, fine, use it. If not, fine again, find something which is 100% safe and please do let me know so I can invest as well. |
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September 02, 2014, 10:33:21 AM |
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If you want anyone to believe you "just use them", and are not promoting them and recruiting victims for this ponzi, then remove the referral from your sig.
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crazyivan (OP)
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September 02, 2014, 10:39:18 AM |
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If you want anyone to believe you "just use them", and are not promoting them and recruiting victims for this ponzi, then remove the referral from your sig.
Sorry, after naming me "cancer" and "idiot", you ask me to do something just so you can believe me? I really do not care what you believe, you are an obvious asshole and a total moron and have no intention discussing anything with you. Touche.  |
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September 02, 2014, 10:47:11 AM |
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If not, fine again, find something which is 100% safe and please do let me know so I can invest as well.
I don't want risk free, I just want a positive expected return. For ponzies the expected return is negative, particularly this late in the game. |
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September 02, 2014, 10:48:44 AM |
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If not, fine again, find something which is 100% safe and please do let me know so I can invest as well.
I don't want risk free, I just want a positive expected return. For ponzies the expected return is negative, particularly this late in the game. I respect you opinion. Whoever shares your opinion, please do not invest. HOWEVER, I do not share it, time will tell if I was wrong. That is my whole point. |
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September 02, 2014, 11:29:28 AM |
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after naming me "cancer" and "idiot", you ask me to do something just so you can believe me?
So I can believe you? Lol, no, its the only way anyone with a brain could ever believe you are not constantly bumping this thread with the sole purpose of making money off the referral in your signature. Of course, you dont care about that, because those with a brain are not likely gullible enough to fall for this ponzi in the first place. |
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September 02, 2014, 11:37:50 AM |
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Just debunk the reason for using micro investing vs approaching larger investors that seems to have been avoided?
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crazyivan (OP)
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September 02, 2014, 05:28:52 PM |
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The latest info from their Facebook page:
"The process for the proof of solvency will be started tomorrow and the non-trading day will be on Thursday 4 September 2014. Results will be posted as soon as we receive them. Thank you all for your patience."
So the audit results should be available soon. Lets see what are they going to produce.
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TinaK
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September 03, 2014, 05:50:17 AM |
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Does arbitrage trading still feasible now?
China-related instability is already joined in the global market.
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September 03, 2014, 01:06:41 PM |
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On the other hand, do you really think dicebitco.in from your signature is registered somewhere? If dicebitco.in goes down with your money for example, who are you going to complain? Right, absolutely nobody.
AT least those gambling sites have a clearly profitable, credible business model, they have a publicly verifiable cold storage and offer mathematically verifiable odds. In the long run they earn a lot more by staying honest than by a one time money grab. None of this is true for this ponzi. |
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September 03, 2014, 03:39:22 PM |
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"The process for the proof of solvency will be started tomorrow and the non-trading day will be on Thursday 4 September 2014. Results will be posted as soon as we receive them. Thank you all for your patience."
That's a good news. I expect to see their obligation and asset they have. So the audit results should be available soon. Lets see what are they going to produce.
Also if it is the audit, there should be disclosure of their commission, or management fee structure. Still there is only "hard to believe" explanation, which is common in such investment products. |
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September 03, 2014, 03:50:40 PM |
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Yes you are right. In fact, just a half year ago, BTC-arbs was promoted and went down. But nobody blamed you  On the other hand, do you really think dicebitco.in from your signature is registered somewhere? If dicebitco.in goes down with your money for example, who are you going to complain? Right, absolutely nobody.
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September 03, 2014, 04:44:57 PM
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"The process for the proof of solvency will be started tomorrow and the non-trading day will be on Thursday 4 September 2014. Results will be posted as soon as we receive them. Thank you all for your patience."
That's a good news. I expect to see their obligation and asset they have. So the audit results should be available soon. Lets see what are they going to produce.
Also if it is the audit, there should be disclosure of their commission, or management fee structure. Still there is only "hard to believe" explanation, which is common in such investment products. It was said many times: It's a proof of solvency, that shows that they have more assets than liabilities. That is it. Don't expect any numbers to be pulished. It will be similar to the proof of solvency audits of Kraken or OKCoin. Which is fine for me and all we need to know. |
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September 03, 2014, 07:06:29 PM |
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1) Show me one single piece of evidence which proves they are ponzi and I ll immediately close down this thread. Just 1. But real proof, not your opinion. Cause you see, I think a lot of things about you, but this does not mean this is true.
Show me one single reason ANYONE EVER, especially financially apt people, should have to pay several hundred percent real interest on their loans to finance a profitable business. This proves it's a ponzi more than anything else. Profitable businesses may seek funding but even risky businesses never pay these kinds of rates. That it's an "investment" with varying daily "profits" is just smoke and mirrors. Some people want to believe in a magical money making machine, and other people are smart and greedy enough to exploit that. Funny thing, many ponzi scammers don't get out when they should. They waste a lot, or maybe even all, of their money continuing their confidence scam until they run out. A ponzi scammer profits most if he gets out immediately when the total sum of actual money he has peaks. I think in bitcoin world it's smartest to vanish when the weekly average of total money is less than the last weekly average. BT scammer, if you're reading this, pay attention. It's far to easy to be sucked into your own scam and to start to believe in your own invulnerability after having tricked a lot of people into giving you their money. |
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September 04, 2014, 02:15:29 PM |
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1) Show me one single piece of evidence which proves they are ponzi and I ll immediately close down this thread. Just 1. But real proof, not your opinion. Cause you see, I think a lot of things about you, but this does not mean this is true.
Show me one single reason ANYONE EVER, especially financially apt people, should have to pay several hundred percent real interest on their loans to finance a profitable business. This proves it's a ponzi more than anything else. Profitable businesses may seek funding but even risky businesses never pay these kinds of rates. That it's an "investment" with varying daily "profits" is just smoke and mirrors. Some people want to believe in a magical money making machine, and other people are smart and greedy enough to exploit that. Funny thing, many ponzi scammers don't get out when they should. They waste a lot, or maybe even all, of their money continuing their confidence scam until they run out. A ponzi scammer profits most if he gets out immediately when the total sum of actual money he has peaks. I think in bitcoin world it's smartest to vanish when the weekly average of total money is less than the last weekly average. BT scammer, if you're reading this, pay attention. It's far to easy to be sucked into your own scam and to start to believe in your own invulnerability after having tricked a lot of people into giving you their money. Just the usual polemic from mp420... |
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September 04, 2014, 03:19:26 PM |
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Show me one single reason ANYONE EVER, especially financially apt people, should have to pay several hundred percent real interest on their loans to finance a profitable business.
This proves it's a ponzi more than anything else. Profitable businesses may seek funding but even risky businesses never pay these kinds of rates.
Just the usual polemic from mp420... It's ok, other than being a ponzi, there is no logical explanation to why they pay so much for capital. No surprise it (and similar questions) have been dodged in the various BT threads. |
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