DiceBitco.in - New Thread to Discuss

[Joecker]

So what's the total damage here, players got some money refunded, investors took their money out. There is that 500-600BTC loss but no one complaining on forum that they got screwed. Did any investor whale complained on the forum about this?

the people that got hit have already complained.  They lost approximately 85% of their investment.  But because it was lost to a gambler cheater, they don't complain as hard as someone might if they had their bankroll stolen outright.

[jaysabi]

It seems evident that the site will attempt to continue to run. There are still people gambling there. It looks like the investment feature is still functioning. Are those 520 coins currently invested from people who still haven't withdrawn or is it manl's BR?

[Martijnvdc]

So what's the total damage here, players got some money refunded, investors took their money out. There is that 500-600BTC loss but no one complaining on forum that they got screwed. Did any investor whale complained on the forum about this?

the people that got hit have already complained.  They lost approximately 85% of their investment.  But because it was lost to a gambler cheater, they don't complain as hard as someone might if they had their bankroll stolen outright.

Exactly...
I still haven't been refunded. The owner tells me i have been "positively affected"?? I didn't gamble AT ALL... EVER... Not a single roll. I only invested, and i lost it to a cheater. I have been able to withdraw the remaining 0.049 BTC. The rest (0.251 BTC) is still stolen.

[Joecker]

Yep. Someone needs to ice that guy.

[snarlpill]

I'm working on a fully in depth story covering the whole DiceBitco.in scandal. I'm going to try and be as unbiased as possible, but I am also going to state what most likely happened in regards to "mateo's" ridiculously "lucky" betting. What is the final calculation on the chances that mateo could have actually had those results? I need these calculations and odds to be confirmed by several highly mathematical people before I would publish them. Anybody can help me out and confirm these?

[Martijnvdc]

So what's the total damage here, players got some money refunded, investors took their money out. There is that 500-600BTC loss but no one complaining on forum that they got screwed. Did any investor whale complained on the forum about this?

the people that got hit have already complained.  They lost approximately 85% of their investment.  But because it was lost to a gambler cheater, they don't complain as hard as someone might if they had their bankroll stolen outright.

Exactly...
I still haven't been refunded. The owner tells me i have been "positively affected"?? I didn't gamble AT ALL... EVER... Not a single roll. I only invested, and i lost it to a cheater. I have been able to withdraw the remaining 0.049 BTC. The rest (0.251 BTC) is still stolen.

YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE INVESTED WHAT YOU COULD NOT AFFORD TO LOSE

I CAN afford to lose it... It's just that i still have a right to the money if it has been stolen from me. If the gambling was fair, i wouldn't have minded losing the investment...

[Martijnvdc]

I CAN afford to lose it... It's just that i still have a right to the money if it has been stolen from me. If the gambling was fair, i wouldn't have minded losing the investment...

Goes back to Rule #1 in Bitcoin

If you dont own the Private Key you dont own the bitcoins.

I'm well aware of that.
So that makes the theft justified to you? What if you borrow someone some bitcoin? They are not obligated to hand it back to you at some point?

[snuffish]

So what's the total damage here, players got some money refunded, investors took their money out. There is that 500-600BTC loss but no one complaining on forum that they got screwed. Did any investor whale complained on the forum about this?

the people that got hit have already complained.  They lost approximately 85% of their investment.  But because it was lost to a gambler cheater, they don't complain as hard as someone might if they had their bankroll stolen outright.

Exactly...
I still haven't been refunded. The owner tells me i have been "positively affected"?? I didn't gamble AT ALL... EVER... Not a single roll. I only invested, and i lost it to a cheater. I have been able to withdraw the remaining 0.049 BTC. The rest (0.251 BTC) is still stolen.

YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE INVESTED WHAT YOU COULD NOT AFFORD TO LOSE

I CAN afford to lose it... It's just that i still have a right to the money if it has been stolen from me. If the gambling was fair, i wouldn't have minded losing the investment...

There is a huge different to lose an investment or get your investment stolen/cheated.

[Martijnvdc]

So what's the total damage here, players got some money refunded, investors took their money out. There is that 500-600BTC loss but no one complaining on forum that they got screwed. Did any investor whale complained on the forum about this?

the people that got hit have already complained.  They lost approximately 85% of their investment.  But because it was lost to a gambler cheater, they don't complain as hard as someone might if they had their bankroll stolen outright.

Exactly...
I still haven't been refunded. The owner tells me i have been "positively affected"?? I didn't gamble AT ALL... EVER... Not a single roll. I only invested, and i lost it to a cheater. I have been able to withdraw the remaining 0.049 BTC. The rest (0.251 BTC) is still stolen.

YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE INVESTED WHAT YOU COULD NOT AFFORD TO LOSE

I CAN afford to lose it... It's just that i still have a right to the money if it has been stolen from me. If the gambling was fair, i wouldn't have minded losing the investment...

There is a huge different to lose an investment or get your investment stolen/cheated.

Exactly... Why doesn't he see that?

[RoooooR]

There is a huge different to lose an investment or get your investment stolen/cheated.

Exactly... Why doesn't he see that?

Questions - For Reals -

1.  Can anyone prove mateo was manL?
2.  Did mateo get paid?
3.  Did everyone who got snookered as gamblers get their funds bad?
4.  Did investors who had bankroll when mateo was gambling not recieve their other funds?

5. Who the fuck you are? Lawyer of DB..?

[suchmoon]

There is a huge different to lose an investment or get your investment stolen/cheated.

Exactly... Why doesn't he see that?

Questions - For Reals -

1.  Can anyone prove mateo was manL?
2.  Did mateo get paid?
3.  Did everyone who got snookered as gamblers get their funds bad?
4.  Did investors who had bankroll when mateo was gambling not recieve their other funds?

1. No.
2. Unknown.
3. Did you mean "back"? AFAIK not everyone. Only ones that had a negative balance.
4. Yes? (i.e. they received their 15% or whatever was left).

[marcotheminer]

There is a huge different to lose an investment or get your investment stolen/cheated.

Exactly... Why doesn't he see that?

Questions - For Reals -

1.  Can anyone prove mateo was manL?
2.  Did mateo get paid?
3.  Did everyone who got snookered as gamblers get their funds bad (back*)?
4.  Did investors who had bankroll when mateo was gambling not recieve their other funds?

1. No
2. Yes, dicebitcoin said that his withdrawal was processed (iirc)
3. No
4. Their investment got (sorry for the language) raped however they got what little was left of it, yes.

[a1choi]

I'm working on a fully in depth story covering the whole DiceBitco.in scandal. I'm going to try and be as unbiased as possible, but I am also going to state what most likely happened in regards to "mateo's" ridiculously "lucky" betting. What is the final calculation on the chances that mateo could have actually had those results? I need these calculations and odds to be confirmed by several highly mathematical people before I would publish them. Anybody can help me out and confirm these?

you can talk to joecker.  he seems to have his math right.

[a1choi]

There is a huge different to lose an investment or get your investment stolen/cheated.

Exactly... Why doesn't he see that?

Questions - For Reals -

1.  Can anyone prove mateo was manL?
2.  Did mateo get paid?
3.  Did everyone who got snookered as gamblers get their funds bad?
4.  Did investors who had bankroll when mateo was gambling not recieve their other funds?

1. does not matter/not relevant
2. no one knows as Manl has not broached the subject about this user AT ALL.  Fishy?
3. they only got back their initial deposits, NOT the winnings that they should have won, had the code been correct and winning bets not been skipped.
4. they only received whatever was left, 15%.   IF they paid out Mateo, then fine, they fucked up and paid out a potential scammer, and the investors were on the hook for that.  BUT if they did not pay out Mateo, then they should refund the investors with that money. have they? Nope.

whats your defense UV?

[onlinepro]

What is the status of signature payouts?
When do we get the money?
Is there theard for this?

[a1choi]

What is the status of signature payouts?
When do we get the money?
Is there theard for this?

wrong thread. there is another one just for sig payouts.

[marcotheminer]

What is the status of signature payouts?
When do we get the money?
Is there theard for this?

Everyone has been paid. You can remove the signature now.

[a1choi]

1. does not matter/not relevant
2. no one knows as Manl has not broached the subject about this user AT ALL.  Fishy?
3. they only got back their initial deposits, NOT the winnings that they should have won, had the code been correct and winning bets not been skipped.
4. they only received whatever was left, 15%.   IF they paid out Mateo, then fine, they fucked up and paid out a potential scammer, and the investors were on the hook for that.  BUT if they did not pay out Mateo, then they should refund the investors with that money. have they? Nope.

whats your defense UV?

1. 100% relevant if not - then how can you blame him
2. Fishy but does anyone other than manl have bet log / seed info?
3. So the "site" got rolled back, same as PRC if I remember
4.  They invested so they where gambling with +EV (assumes new correct RNG installed to prevent the screwed up one) - I watched Nakowa go from +8000 to -8000 to +8000 BTC.  PeterR did a great calculation on this for JD on Nakowa - might be someone who you all pay to verify

My defense - I did not do it so why do I need a defense - I was not invested

1) my arguments don't rely on assuming if manl is or is not mateo.  i'll allow people to examine the evidence
2) Manl has not agreed to release any info on mateo.  so we'll never know for sure.
3) this is NOT the same as the PRC rollback.  PRC went further to payout bets that WOULD have won, had you been afflicted by the bad code.  DB did not do that.  DB simply made your initial deposit whole.  Totally not the same thing.
4) we've already done mathematical analysis on this player that what he did had an extremely small chance of happening.  What nakowa did was perhaps 2-3SD from the mean? but what Mateo did was almost 5SD from the mean.  ALSO, it is not an argument that JUST because investors happened to profit from bad code, that its fair that they lose it back to some lucky player.  Also, what happens if an investor had JUST invested that day?  Did not even get a chance to "profit" from bad code, and gets hit by mateo's "lucky" run?

[jh7phone]

what a nightmare looks like my 8.5btc will never be returned. nothing can be proven in the investment scam. only reason gambling deposits were returned was because it was proven scamming. hopefully somebody can get to the bottom of it. I bet this will be forgotten about because of a very small percentage of the users are actually affected, most profited. he should really stop saying that investors were not affected by them cheating.

[Joecker]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=301412.msg3247358#msg3247358

Here is Peter Rs analysis - somebody do this.

https://i.imgur.com/ooGBuvh.gif
To pull out that graph for manteol, one needs to know each of his bets...not likely to be available in this eon. Yea we could suppose
all at 49.5%
1k at 7btc
12.5k at 2btc
33k at 1btc etc etc you get the idea... but to put into perspective with my previous analysis... here's what world's luckiest gambler managed to do (Attention: profit/loss is reversed with PeterR's graph) :
https://i.imgur.com/e1MHx7U.png