[FULL] DiceBitco.in Signature Campaign - Continued

[mnporter2001]

Your a fucking idiot TF

Now let me spin this around into another way, your actions could be construed as scamming

Hypothetical of coarse !

Lets say you and bitcoininformation and the other fella have all got together and you have 10BTC in hand ( escrow funds as I understand it ).

Now what's the best way of keeping the said funds without being accused of scamming ?

The answer is threaten, blackmail and generally spout shit and slowly get people to remove them selfs from the campaign.

This of coarse would then leave less BTC needed to be paid out at the end of the month thus leaving more left over, to either be sent back, or kept as per the original statement that said any spare funds could be kept.

So in short your trying to force people out of the campaign so YOU and your friends can benefit.!!!

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Now I happen to trust bitcoininformation so in reality the above scenario will not happen, and I feel bitcoininformation is doing a good job and is now stuck between a rock and hard place because of your immature and childish bull shit TF.

I don't give a fuck what you threaten me with, I live my own life and I'm happy with it and I don't care if the site in my signature has been accused of scamming it is down to the individual to do their own due dillagance before investing in anything, its the same in real life with fiat.

Plus having looked at the site this morning it dosn't seem to have done them much harm, there is plenty of BTC flowing there.

Rant over now TF run along and annoy someone else !

Cheers
Mark

[shorena]

They decided not to pay those that did not lose any coins.

Winnings that people should have received are still winnings. Imagine a casino kicking you out after you won a jackpot of a slots machine, and refusing to honor your rightful winnings. But hey, they refunded everyone else that spun and lost their money

There is no way of telling whether they should have won or not. Ofc in hindsight every gambler can predict what move they "would have" made. But actually you cant. If the nounces where not skipped everything would have been different. Thus the only fair thing to do would be a complete rollback and all decisions would have to be made again without knowing the outcome.

[capoeira]

(-4)

so, what is happening? why I recieve a PM with a guy threadening my to give negative trust?

BTW: I'm Hero now

[🏰 TradeFortress 🏰]

There is no way of telling whether they should have won or not. Ofc in hindsight every gambler can predict what move they "would have" made. But actually you cant. If the nounces where not skipped everything would have been different. Thus the only fair thing to do would be a complete rollback and all decisions would have to be made again without knowing the outcome.

Yes, there is. You can use a bet verifier and input the skipped nonce. You will see what you would have got. The results are deterministic, as with every provably fair implementation.

See this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=716312.msg8716674#msg8716674

[redsn0w]

Ok, thanks @bitcoininformation and  @dooglus ( again again ) Now I'm keeping the signature all the month .

[🏰 TradeFortress 🏰]

Ok, thanks @bitcoininformation and  @dooglus ( again again ) Now I'm keeping the signature all the month .

Thanks for proving yourself untrustworthy

[redsn0w]

Ok, thanks @bitcoininformation and  @dooglus ( again again ) Now I'm keeping the signature all the month .

Thanks for proving yourself untrustworthy

I'm sorry for that , but it is not my decision . Do you understand what i mean ?  Have a nice day .


Ps: I don't prove anything .

[sumantso]

All those who are carrying the signature atleast add a message after the posts saying that the site is in trouble. Sig carriers are effectively sending people there to gamble while being aware that they might get scammed. They should be warned at the very least.

[Mitchell]

Alright, Dooglus and I have talked for a while and we decided the following:

• 1. I will pay everyone (even those who dropped out/changed their signature/etc) , that have a positive post count (a few people have a negative or zero post count), with their post count at 14.21 (it's 14.38 now).
• 2. Dooglus will continue this campaign until the remaining ~5.3BTC is used up, decide for yourself if you stay or not.

Payments will be send within an hour.

[shorena]

There is no way of telling whether they should have won or not. Ofc in hindsight every gambler can predict what move they "would have" made. But actually you cant. If the nounces where not skipped everything would have been different. Thus the only fair thing to do would be a complete rollback and all decisions would have to be made again without knowing the outcome.

Yes, there is. You can use a bet verifier and input the skipped nonce. You will see what you would have got. The results are deterministic, as with every provably fair implementation.

See this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=716312.msg8716674#msg8716674

Done act like you dont understand me. The rolls are deterministic the players are not.

[Gianluca95]

Alright, Dooglus and I have talked for a while and we decided the following:

• 1. I will pay everyone (even those who dropped out/changed their signature/etc) , that have a positive post count (a few people have a negative or zero post count), with their post count at 14.21 (it's 14.38 now).
• 2. Dooglus will continue this campaign until the remaining ~5.3BTC is used up, decide for yourself if you stay or not.

Payments will be send within an hour.

What does it mean? If my post count will increase while Dooglus is outside, I'll have another payment for the rest of my message, right?

[sumantso]

Alright, Dooglus and I have talked for a while and we decided the following:

• 1. I will pay everyone (even those who dropped out/changed their signature/etc) , that have a positive post count (a few people have a negative or zero post count), with their post count at 14.21 (it's 14.38 now).
• 2. Dooglus will continue this campaign until the remaining ~5.3BTC is used up, decide for yourself if you stay or not.

Payments will be send within an hour.

What does it mean? If my post count will increase while Dooglus is outside, I'll have another payment for the rest of my message, right?

Why do you want to keep promoting it now that you are aware that it is dodgy? You are pretty much making others lose money.

[Gianluca95]

Alright, Dooglus and I have talked for a while and we decided the following:

• 1. I will pay everyone (even those who dropped out/changed their signature/etc) , that have a positive post count (a few people have a negative or zero post count), with their post count at 14.21 (it's 14.38 now).
• 2. Dooglus will continue this campaign until the remaining ~5.3BTC is used up, decide for yourself if you stay or not.

Payments will be send within an hour.

What does it mean? If my post count will increase while Dooglus is outside, I'll have another payment for the rest of my message, right?

Why do you want to keep promoting it now that you are aware that it is dodgy? You are pretty much making others lose money.

No, I only want to understand all of history, because all is so strange 

Anyway, life of this campaign will not beat 1 week.

[Mitchell]

The payment has been send: 8f1de07ddd69207a34f84e87371f63656f065005ca6383039fc782e997275126

What does it mean? If my post count will increase while Dooglus is outside, I'll have another payment for the rest of my message, right?

Mitchell: "What does it mean? If my post count will increase while Dooglus is outside, I'll have another payment for the rest of my message, right?"
Correct right?

Dooglus: I'm gonna check sigs regularly
and split the remaining coins between people who keep the sig until I pay
according to count of new posts made
so yeah, as long as he keeps the sig

Quick update: Dooglus is currently out of town and will post here as soon as he gets back.

[pawel7777]

TF, thanks for your pm.

Hi,

You currently carry DiceBitco.in in your forum signature. DiceBitco.in has scammed by rigging the dice rolls through skipping betting nonces. DiceBitco.in has not compensated all affected users for the rigging.

You can read more about the DiceBitco.in scam here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=774120.0

Please don't promote scams - please join a different signature ad campaign.
You will still be paid for posts made up to this point. You will not lose out on earnings.

To review your signature, go to Profile -> Forum Profile Information.

I consider promoting scams (like this site) untrustworthy, and will be leaving you negative trust if you continue to promote it.

PS: I do not accept PMs. To contact me, please email me at ciphertext@cryptolab.net (make sure to mention your Bitcointalk name).

Thanks!

The above is bullshit. You cannot guarantee that anyone will not lose out their earnings. Dooglus said so, but it may have been valid only till yesterday (9th) and he based it on the assumption that there will be a lot of early droppers. As for now, no one knows how much will be paid. We'll need to wait till Doog is back. edit: just saw the latest update

Other thing, If I went into agreement and obliged myself to wear the sig for the full month, wouldn't dropping it and breaking the contract be considered 'untrustworthy'?

Also, can you prove (above any doubt) that DB is currently scamming players?

ps Reported your pm to admins

[redsn0w]

Alright, Dooglus and I have talked for a while and we decided the following:

• 1. I will pay everyone (even those who dropped out/changed their signature/etc) , that have a positive post count (a few people have a negative or zero post count), with their post count at 14.21 (it's 14.38 now).
• 2. Dooglus will continue this campaign until the remaining ~5.3BTC is used up, decide for yourself if you stay or not.

Payments will be send within an hour.

Ok ,   thanks .  ( I think this is a good decision   ) .

[mnporter2001]

Alright, Dooglus and I have talked for a while and we decided the following:

• 1. I will pay everyone (even those who dropped out/changed their signature/etc) , that have a positive post count (a few people have a negative or zero post count), with their post count at 14.21 (it's 14.38 now).
• 2. Dooglus will continue this campaign until the remaining ~5.3BTC is used up, decide for yourself if you stay or not.

Payments will be send within an hour.

I think that is a very fair compromise and one to be applauded.

Further more after my payment I would like to remove my self from this campaign, not just because its an alleged fraud but because it has no future.

I would also like to put on record that I think  bitcoininformation has been put in an extremely hard position by the cock TF and that he ( bitcoininformation ) has acted correctly in refusing to bow to the clowns request !

Cheers
Mark

[redsn0w]

Payment received and sig. removed .  Thanks for all @bitcoininformation and @dooglus.

[Mitchell]

The remaining coins (0.226BTC) have been send to Dooglus: 3488f07ff5101b0185d312fff566709a14c71e98b87b0ff593bf9b799b85f8ad.
All the escrow-ed coins that have been send to me are now gone.

[alani123]

 bitcoininformation, thanks so much. Thanks you for taking this decision and getting us out of this sticky situation.