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[marto74]

We'll order samples for sure
Will see where it goes

Right in the shitter with so many more of your projects. How about giving people what they order before ramping up production on another DOA miner?

You can not resist, do you TROLL
And could you be so kind to share your projects progress ?

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p.s.  single module is coming soon

Any info on this module?

[loshia]

We'll order samples for sure
Will see where it goes

Right in the shitter with so many more of your projects. How about giving people what they order before ramping up production on another DOA miner?

Hey bickLEDski,
We all know that the main reason for doa miners is the chip price. I am talking in general. You are the one who was receiving free chips in quantities right?
And what you have blinking LEDs alive on arival right
Ops I beg your pardon it was just a YouTube video and no one has seen them alive  
So let me remind you that Christmas is coming so get your ass back to work. Walmart is waiting for your LEDs.  
You know I remember the picture of you wasp pool with the bug behind your ass

https://bitcointa.lk/threads/the-wasp-project-collective-information-thread.240650/page-14


I am wandering how is your ass lately doing
By the way con made a free pool open sourced . It is brilliant pice of work. All you need to do is steal it and put wasp logo on it. So hurry up  
That is where you are good at
And to troll of course

[cesarm]

For anyone who can't be bothered to use their brains, the prices are specifically high because they are SAMPLE chips. Its to discourage one developer buying more than they need which is unfair - Avalon will only have a tiny batch until their actual batches for SALE come in.

Hmm i think they should be free for established proven developers.
Such strategy is better for chips adoption.

They don't need better chip adoption, there is limited supply and they have to open it up as a level playing field. There are more developers than there are chips.

Asia has been busy buying 1,000,000s of Avalon chips while the forums have 'boycotted' them thinking its still Yifu when they quite simply don't care. This isn't the company Avalon, this isn't the company that did trade ins, this isn't the company that random batch 1 2 and 3. If people don't want to buy, they don't have to.

You will receive a module to test ? If yes, when ?

[dogie]

For anyone who can't be bothered to use their brains, the prices are specifically high because they are SAMPLE chips. Its to discourage one developer buying more than they need which is unfair - Avalon will only have a tiny batch until their actual batches for SALE come in.

Hmm i think they should be free for established proven developers.
Such strategy is better for chips adoption.

They don't need better chip adoption, there is limited supply and they have to open it up as a level playing field. There are more developers than there are chips.

Asia has been busy buying 1,000,000s of Avalon chips while the forums have 'boycotted' them thinking its still Yifu when they quite simply don't care. This isn't the company Avalon, this isn't the company that did trade ins, this isn't the company that random batch 1 2 and 3. If people don't want to buy, they don't have to.

You will receive a module to test ? If yes, when ?

Absolutely no idea. I have no information more than anyone else does.

[Avalon-pr]

For anyone who can't be bothered to use their brains, the prices are specifically high because they are SAMPLE chips. Its to discourage one developer buying more than they need which is unfair - Avalon will only have a tiny batch until their actual batches for SALE come in.

Hmm i think they should be free for established proven developers.
Such strategy is better for chips adoption.

They don't need better chip adoption, there is limited supply and they have to open it up as a level playing field. There are more developers than there are chips.

Asia has been busy buying 1,000,000s of Avalon chips while the forums have 'boycotted' them thinking its still Yifu when they quite simply don't care. This isn't the company Avalon, this isn't the company that did trade ins, this isn't the company that random batch 1 2 and 3. If people don't want to buy, they don't have to.

You will receive a module to test ? If yes, when ?

Absolutely no idea. I have no information more than anyone else does.

engineering sample still needs 1~2 weeks

[J4bberwock]

And a note to any developers
Don't use a few chips clocked up to the max, use lots of chips at the lowest w/GH as that's where the market needs to go.

I totally agree with this, but for the manufacturer of the chip, it's more profit to sell less chips on a board for the same price/hashrate.
And for the "independant" builders, the chips are expensive, so they need to do the same, but only to have a fair margin.
I was looking at building my custom boards, mainly for my own use.
The chips would cost me almost half the price of the finished product, and final price was similar to what is actually selling at 0.6$/GH
I had to put roughly 30% more chips on the board to reach better efficiency.
At this point, you'd better buy a finished product and undervolt it, unfortunately.

[marto74]

Asia has been busy buying 1,000,000s of Avalon chips while the forums have 'boycotted' them thinking its still Yifu when they quite simply don't care. This isn't the company Avalon, this isn't the company that did trade ins, this isn't the company that random batch 1 2 and 3. If people don't want to buy, they don't have to.

I got royally screwed by avalon but they aren't on my boycott list as I appreciate it's not Yifu anymore

Sadly all their products since then have been way overpriced/power hungry compared to the competition.

Time will tell if these new chips and the machines they spawn are worth buying.

And a note to any developers
Don't use a few chips clocked up to the max, use lots of chips at the lowest w/GH as that's where the market needs to go.

I could not agree more.
BUT depends on pricing.
AM is asking 0.3 USD per GHS for bare chips based on overclocked range and in the same time 0.32-0.4 for full un assembled solution.
Usualy sweet spot is @ about 60-70 % of the full speed ASIC chip can do , but the pricing of chips is in the overclocked mode range .
Ant thoughts ?

[Bicknellski]

I have respect to AM and Bitmain past achievements, but they're not high on my list. I don't believe China will be able to compete in 2015

Can you elaborate as to why?

I'm under NDA with various parties, so I can't give concrete information.

In general, to win in 2015 you'll need in descending order of importance:
1) Team or access to team with years of circuit design experience in advance nodes.
2) Access to cheap electricity - sub 0.03 $/KWh or less
3) Cheap production

From what I was able to learn, the Chinese teams (including some publically unknown) has only (3) above.
Some of them are rushing to bleeding edge nodes (TSMC 16 or Samsung/GF 14) but it's not enough.

These competition points raised by Sptech could be valid, but i think he forgot about a major factor that may undermine the whole industrials at this point: btc price..
Whatever cheap electricity or manufacturing costs you could get, peofitability will be driven by btc price obviously. And with it stabilisîng or tanking even more, some rushers might get squeezed and go bankrupt.
Interesting times ahead.

Under current BTC value, the bounty is $1.2BN until the next block incentive halve.
For sake of argument (only ), let's assume you're able to develop 0.2 $/GHs or 0.1 $/GHs (or below ) hardware.
How does the math look like ?

Just don't bother buying broken down over priced crap is the lesson for today. Especially from people that have failed to adequately deliver on time to spec consistently. Avoiding this offering might save you more coin in the longer term given the realities of the marketplace.

Avalon's math doesn't add up nor will Marto's. Look elsewhere people.

[superduh]

F YOU scammers - reimburse people for your crap from last year. otherwise gtfo

[Blazed]

F YOU scammers - reimburse people for your crap from last year. otherwise gtfo

You are supposed to forgive them now...it is different this time 

[Finksy]

You are supposed to forgive them now...it is different this time 

Lol



I was going to hold out for a new BFL product to post that, but might as well here.

[dogie]

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[superduh]

F YOU scammers - reimburse people for your crap from last year. otherwise gtfo

You are supposed to forgive them now...it is different this time 

f*ck yifu and his shady bs outfit. scammer for life. he can shove his tech up his as* until he reimburses what he stole

[Avalon-pr]

F YOU scammers - reimburse people for your crap from last year. otherwise gtfo

You are supposed to forgive them now...it is different this time 

f*ck yifu and his shady bs outfit. scammer for life. he can shove his tech up his as* until he reimburses what he stole

Bitsyncom(Yifu Guo) have left Avalon project, right now the Avalon project running by Canaan Creative, Ltd., (founded by     ngzhang) Locate Beijing China.

[Avalon-pr]

Encapsulation: QFN56-8×8，0.5mm pitch
Rated working voltage: 0.65V – 0.8V
Rated working frequency: 400MHz (typical)
Rated mining speed: 25GHS@400MHz (typical)
Chip reference energy efficiency: 0.4~0.6W/G

Can you prove the stated performance?

Yep.
We've got the chips and tested(~2 weeks ago

You can check the datasheet and waiting for the machine  
You'll never be disappointed

[Avalon-pr]

2btc/TH ?
only chips?

omg, too much

Sample chips for developer

[Avalon-pr]

Ahaha this must be a joke

We will see.     

[RoadStress]

F YOU scammers - reimburse people for your crap from last year. otherwise gtfo

You are supposed to forgive them now...it is different this time 

f*ck yifu and his shady bs outfit. scammer for life. he can shove his tech up his as* until he reimburses what he stole

Bitsyncom(Yifu Guo) have left Avalon project, right now the Avalon project running by Canaan Creative, Ltd., (founded by     ngzhang) Locate Beijing China.

Then change the damn company name. "Avalon" makes me itchy! Is that so hard to find a new name?

Yep.
We've got the chips and tested(~2 weeks ago

You can check the datasheet and waiting for the machine 
You'll never be disappointed

Why not show a proof? People need to pay for the chips in order to see for themselves the performance? Post a damn picture, video, whatever! Otherwise it's BS because you can write whatever you want in the datasheet.

Scammers!

[dogie]

Then change the damn company name. "Avalon" makes me itchy! Is that so hard to find a new name?

Canaan Creative is the company name, Avalon is the product brand name like Antminer.