Bitcoin Camming Site

[wachtwoord]

Minor release v0.10.5 to stop people from injecting HTML code into other people's chat window doing things like muting the chat.

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[d'aniel]

I just checked to see if the broadcaster can boot people from their channel and heard it was in the works.

Was thinking this could be used as a way for broadcasters to enforce "pay to stay" where they'd give out unique bitcoin addresses to incoming viewers that they must pay to in order to stay.  Anything like this, but more automated, in the works?

Could they also have the option to close the channel to new visitors?

[gweedo]

I just checked to see if the broadcaster can boot people from their channel and heard it was in the works.

Was thinking this could be used as a way for broadcasters to enforce "pay to stay" where they'd give out unique bitcoin addresses to incoming viewers that they must pay to in order to stay.  Anything like this, but more automated, in the works?

"pay to stay" goes against what the site was setup for and the vision of a p2p camming site. Also he doesn't want to handle any bitcoin transactions, that is again a vision of the site, the bitcoins go directly to the users.

Also side note, "pay to stay" works in other sites cause people aren't willing to shell out their money. On this site I have seen people tip as much as they can from 0.005 BTC to 5.00 BTC . So that automation would be worthless and just hurt the cam girl.

[Tuxavant]

It may end up being a by-product of another necessity and/or use case... In some circumstances, it may be in everyone's interest to kick/ban people at the whim of the broadcaster.

payments dont need to be handled by the cam site.. broadcasters can relay unique payment addresses on screen or via chat. perhaps even PM if that becomes available in the future.

[d'aniel]

Also he doesn't want to handle any bitcoin transactions, that is again a vision of the site, the bitcoins go directly to the users.

He wouldn't.  The broadcaster would be handing out their own addresses.

So that automation would be worthless and just hurt the cam girl.

Or the tutor, which is what I currently have in mind

Which brings me to my next question: is screencasting in the works?

[Tuxavant]

Which brings me to my next question: is screencasting in the works?

My understanding is there are virtual cam devices for windows that let you select inputs like a real webcam or screencast session. I'm trying to find a linux solution for this and didn't really pay attention to the names of the windows ones when I was poking around.

[d'aniel]

This may be feature creep territory here, but to make this really suitable for tutoring, it'd be nice if the viewers could request that the broadcaster pull up their screencast to play in a window beside theirs, so that communications can become 2-way (or more).  Would that be possible, or is it too far out of scope?

Edit: I know there's the chat, but that's not too suitable for entering math equations...

Further edit: Maybe math is too niche for this feature

[gweedo]

Also he doesn't want to handle any bitcoin transactions, that is again a vision of the site, the bitcoins go directly to the users.

He wouldn't.  The broadcaster would be handing out their own addresses.

In your first post it was automation which if it was automated would then need the user to always put in their bitcoin address to just view and some people may not like that. Also how would the broadcaster know who address is whose? This would cause so many fights and angry people that would just stop coming to the site. The site is simple if you like the broadcaster, or what they are doing on cam. You tip, your over complexing this simple idea.

So that automation would be worthless and just hurt the cam girl.

Or the tutor, which is what I currently have in mind

Which brings me to my next question: is screencasting in the works?

It would hurt the tutor as well Believe me anytime there is a "pay to view thing" people will never pay, as much as if they feel they got things out of the lesson. I know especially for a tutor I wouldn't pay until i figured out if their teaching style helped me learn or not.

For screencasting get manycam for windows/mac or if your on mac OSX get camtwist problem sovled.

[d'aniel]

In your first post it was automation which if it was automated would then need the user to always put in their bitcoin address to just view and some people may not like that. Also how would the broadcaster know who address is whose? This would cause so many fights and angry people that would just stop coming to the site. The site is simple if you like the broadcaster, or what they are doing on cam. You tip, your over complexing this simple idea.

Eh?  I figured the broadcaster would just give the site a batch of addresses, and the site's software would apportion them to the individual viewers, granting access once payment was received.  No automation is fine, though, I was just curious.

It would hurt the tutor as well Believe me anytime there is a "pay to view thing" people will never pay, as much as if they feel they got things out of the lesson. I know especially for a tutor I wouldn't pay until i figured out if their teaching style helped me learn or not.

Well reputation/word of mouth would probably help here.  The tutors I know get a lot of their students that way.  None that I know of work by donation either, though, but I'd rather not have this coversation here

For screencasting get manycam for windows/mac or if your on mac OSX get camtwist problem sovled.

Thanks!

[giszmo]

Pay to stay sounds like easy to implement. At least assuming the author wants to get a way of telling who tipped how much.
If this is implemented I see no problem in setting up a pay to stay/proof you have bitcoins option. It would become normal that if you want to see one performer more than one minute in one day you would have to pay something to the address given or if he defined a min price, that price.
This would definitely keep stupid spammers at distance, at least most of them.

[gweedo]

Pay to stay sounds like easy to implement. At least assuming the author wants to get a way of telling who tipped how much.
If this is implemented I see no problem in setting up a pay to stay/proof you have bitcoins option. It would become normal that if you want to see one performer more than one minute in one day you would have to pay something to the address given or if he defined a min price, that price.
This would definitely keep stupid spammers at distance, at least most of them.

I see a couple of big issues with pay to stay. One is every time I want to login I will have to supply a bitcoin address, and that will remove the anonymity of yourself since now your linking a bitcoin address to your user name.

Second issue, some of the people I enjoy what they do and I want to tip them, other times I am just hanging out on there. Either way I should be in control of at what times I tip and not.

Third this is an easy way to scam people if implemented you can easily start a pay to stay channel, get a good round of bitcoins and leave. They should just do what they are doing and people tip along the way.

In conclusion pay to stay is dumb and shouldn't be implemented. It is hassle, it removes the core value of the site, and can be exploited to take advantage of people.

[Tuxavant]

I see a couple of big issues with pay to stay. One is every time I want to login I will have to supply a bitcoin address, and that will remove the anonymity of yourself since now your linking a bitcoin address to your user name.

Tip from an instawallet. Minimal trust required for insta/easy wallet. Automatically washes your dough if left there long enough.

Second issue, some of the people I enjoy what they do and I want to tip them, other times I am just hanging out on there. Either way I should be in control of at what times I tip and not.

Sometimes entertainers don't mind people hanging around and they are just there doing it for fun... but other entertainers might have other use cases. Atleast they have the option.

Third this is an easy way to scam people if implemented you can easily start a pay to stay channel, get a good round of bitcoins and leave. They should just do what they are doing and people tip along the way.

Reputation and verification. Don't tip until you know it's not a loop.

In conclusion pay to stay is dumb and shouldn't be implemented. It is hassle, it removes the core value of the site, and can be exploited to take advantage of people.

There are valid use cases for an entertainer to kick/ban (more secret squirrel stuff on this coming later). An entertainer abusing this feature would suffer a bad rep and we all ultimately have the control of our own purse strings.

[wachtwoord]

To sum things up:

1) Screencasting can be done via external software which mimics a camera and shows the screen on it
2) The site has been optimized for one way traffic of audio/video material.
   a) The stream has been set to half_deplex
   b) I have introduced a buffer time which would make it annoying talking to each other but works because audio/video is one way (this increases the quality tremendously)
(so for now, no, later perhaps as separate functionality)

3) Kicking or banning people from your own channel (read:not from the webiste) is something that I';ll be looking to add
4) Pay to stay does not seem like the best idea to me as the default option. I'd like the normal functionality to remain because of the low barrier of entry and because I firmly believe in the concept of tipping (voluntarily deciding what to pay).
I am planning to implement functionality for broadcasters to start a private stream to which they can invite certain people. I think this will enable the functionality you desire but please correct me if I'm wrong.

5) I do think the tutor idea is great (I have had the idea already as well)
6) @Tux, I never used iInstawallet so I have trouble deciphering what you mean there Could you please clarify?

Keep ideas/feedback coming you guys

[wachtwoord]

V 0.11.1: Automated detection of Bitcoin tips which are now shown in the chat channel as they occur!  

So:
* 0-confirmations (doing a double spend for a tip seems utterly retarded to me)
* These messages are displayed in red (Admin messages) and are said by System.

Enjoy

[Tuxavant]

6) @Tux, I never used iInstawallet so I have trouble deciphering what you mean there Could you please clarify?

Insta/EasyWallet is an online wallet system. InstaWallet does not actually keep your bitcoins for you, rather, it is a shared pool of Bitcoins. When you deposit Bitcoins, the ones you get back out will almost certainly not be the same Bitcoins you get out. (You have to watch the bitcoin address and wait for them to be removed, then when you withdraw, you get "new" bitcoins.).

My suggestion was to fund a Bitcoin wallet, so your coins automatically get washed and use that wallet to fund your tipping. As good anonymity as you can expect - if you trust InstaWallet to not be the FBI or vomit up log files at the slightest hint of desire for them.

[giszmo]

my point of pay to stay in general was that some streamers might want to only have watchers with bitcoins. they might want to set a price of 1 satoshi just to know the effort is worth it aka. the spectators are not some jerks in some internet cafe without bitcoins. i guess i would feel pretty stupid giving a lesson on anything finding out only later that they all would pay me in paypal ... but what was that bitcoin-thing?

pay to stay is not pay to enter, so the first x minutes could be free to not be vulnerable to loop-scammers.

with these 2 points i see a pay to stay as a valuable optional addition to the system that is not dumb and should be implemented

WW: what wording would you suggest? broadcaster/watcher as on the button? streamer/consumer? source/sink? sender/receiver? performer/audience? teacher/student? host/guest? actor/spectator?
Some of these options are definitely better than others but I guess strongly supporting some wording can influence the direction the atmosphere on your site will be.

You said it again and again that the channels can be linked directly but for my baking-classes I need yet another feature. You know even with the direct link to the channel those old ladies happen to click at other channels all the time which is really a little embarrassing. Could you allow me to hide those other channels as a configuration of my baking channel? Or at least allow me to open my channel on some sfw.cam4btc.com or send those ... others ... to nsfw.cam4btc.com?

[Technomage]

I think that the spirit of the whole thing is better if it's simply tipping. One could eventually add an alternative method of pay to stay and simply let the entertainers choose though. Having both options would probably be best.

[gweedo]

my point of pay to stay in general was that some streamers might want to only have watchers with bitcoins. they might want to set a price of 1 satoshi just to know the effort is worth it aka. the spectators are not some jerks in some internet cafe without bitcoins. i guess i would feel pretty stupid giving a lesson on anything finding out only later that they all would pay me in paypal ... but what was that bitcoin-thing?

pay to stay is not pay to enter, so the first x minutes could be free to not be vulnerable to loop-scammers.

with these 2 points i see a pay to stay as a valuable optional addition to the system that is not dumb and should be implemented

WW: what wording would you suggest? broadcaster/watcher as on the button? streamer/consumer? source/sink? sender/receiver? performer/audience? teacher/student? host/guest? actor/spectator?
Some of these options are definitely better than others but I guess strongly supporting some wording can influence the direction the atmosphere on your site will be.

You said it again and again that the channels can be linked directly but for my baking-classes I need yet another feature. You know even with the direct link to the channel those old ladies happen to click at other channels all the time which is really a little embarrassing. Could you allow me to hide those other channels as a configuration of my baking channel? Or at least allow me to open my channel on some sfw.cam4btc.com or send those ... others ... to nsfw.cam4btc.com?

Dude honestly your looking for so many features that are only beneficial to you. This is a cam site, where turn on your cam and earn bitcoins if people enjoy your stream. You are looking to features that would complete destroy this making the site probably fail or make the admin mirco manage the site. I think you should be doing shows to prove that you actually need these features, I think you be very surprised, yet you never did a test run on the site, so I honestly think your opinion of features should be taken with a gain of salt. So stop requesting and actually make a stream and put it on the scheduler so we can all see.

[giszmo]

Dude honestly your looking for so many features that are only beneficial to you.</snip>

why you hate cooks?

[d'aniel]

Dude honestly your looking for so many features that are only beneficial to you.</snip>

why you hate cooks?

And tutors?  They couldn't have students stumbling on all the porn either...