[ANN] [ICOKE] Coca-Cola Coin

[Bansheroom]

I have a feeling that this coin and its author may disappear soon  .

[NILIcoin]

Nili , what your doing IS ILLEAGLE

Of course whether or not this is true becomes a jurisdictional question.  However let us assume for the moment that we are talking about jurisdictions that apply the Berne Convention, which is the international treaty for intellectual property law.  Assuming this convention, we can simply apply what is known as the "Berne Three Step Test" (found in Article 9(2) of the international treaty) to determine if this usage is legitimate or not.

Article 9 reads:

(1) Authors of literary and artistic works protected by this Convention shall have the exclusive right of authorizing the reproduction of these works, in any manner or form.

(2) It shall be a matter for legislation in the countries of the Union to permit the reproduction of such works in certain special cases, provided that such reproduction does not conflict with a normal exploitation of the work and does not unreasonably prejudice the legitimate interests of the author.

(3) Any sound or visual recording shall be considered as a reproduction for the purposes of this Convention.

Did coke give NILI special authorization? (Probably not.)

Is NILI's reproductive use covered under a special exemption in their jurisdiction which does not conflict with a normal exploitation and which does not unreasonably prejudice Coke's interests?
  Is NILI's reproductive use covered under a special exemption in their jurisdiction?
  If so, does this use conflict with a normal exploitation of the work?
  If not, does the use prejudice the legitimate interests of Coke?
(This is all highly dependent on both the jurisdiction in question, as well as Coke's own usage of and legitimate interest in the works within that jurisdiction!!)

Is the reproduction a sound or visual recording? (I think we can all agree, at least, that the answer to this is yes.)

So it is not as simple as "NILI reproduced some IP so now they are screwed" but a question of in what jurisdiction that reproduction was made *AND* if it happens to be a legitimate special exemption in that jurisdiction *AND* what Coke's own ("allowed") exploitation *AND* interests in the matter are.

This is assuming that the Berne convention even applies.  The laws are certainly very different in places that do not adopt this convention.

EDIT: Disclaimer: IANAL!!

you are hired, HMC. :-) (I pay in mouse coins)

I would like now to introduce to our discussion here the issue of appropriation art and show you the direction which I have chosen as a conceptual artist. In the photos below I have use other artist work and made it my art work by applying to it a few new layers, conceptual and visual. The entire piece was created on twitter as twitpics. I was going to a show opening and photographing the art works while incorporating the event visuals in a way that was related to the art itself.  the following pics are a few samples from two of my best works. Remember that the artwork in the pick is another artist's IP

                                                 


                                       

It is important to understand the conceptual end of these works. being done on twitter and tweeting it in real time, is of itself adding a conceptual layer that was not part of the original work. On top of it adding another feature that is part of the body of work remove it even further from the original work and finally stating the original owner of the IP of the appropriated piece, In these case the original creator (by name or gallery opening event) is also get the credit as part of the title of the piece.
(here is a link more example for that type of appropriation art work http://twitpic.com/photos/nililerner?page=6)

My Coca-Cola Coin  and the other brand name Coin I have created as Art-Coins follow that same exact formula. The title of the piece is named after the original author of the piece, In that case it is the coca-coal company that have the IP legal rights. Then there is the added conceptual layer which in this case is the coin itself. and the added feature that entire thread, which I use as the medium of my art like  a picture is the medium of these pieces above.

[NILIcoin]

Now let me lay down my rationale for doing that project the way I do it:

1. Art is my form of expression
2. Credit is the life-line of our economy.
3. The production of credit in the form of a national currency is by law a monopoly held by the state and delegated to private banks.
4. Crypto-currency is a viable alternative to a centralized monetary authority.
5. A competitive market of credit providers which have to be accountable to their failure is in dire need.
6. The existing state of the western economy relied heavily on the central bank quantitative easing policy.
7. No one have clue as to the long term effect of that policy.
8.  States  do not presented to the public, plans for the banking system failure
9. An alternative of a parallel monetary communication system have to be set for the case of 2008 recurrence of a much larger scale.
10. Our social organisations which make the laws, are dependent and financed by the banking system
11. Public interest thus have very little effect on the law makers regarding  financial issues.
12. The "Too big to fail" phenomenon that was Identified as the source of the 2008 failure and was due to be fixed, only got "larger"
13. A non violent rise against the banking system,as demonstrated in the occupy movement using only democratic actions is too weak.
14. Corporates have a much greater power both on finance and government then citizens.
15. Greed is always present and strong, the system relies on it.
16. Get the Greedy and powerful corporates on your side,  to fight the powerful and greedy governments which should have been on your side.
17. Get their attention to realize that option.
18. Make them invest time learning about this option.
19. Protect yourself
20. Make your living doing that and HAVE FUN!!!!
 

[freedomsr40]

Now let me lay down my rationale for doing that project the way I do it:

1. Art is my form of expression
2. Credit is the life-line of our economy.
3. The production of credit in the form of a national currency is by law a monopoly held by the state and delegated to private banks.
4. Crypto-currency is a viable alternative to a centralized monetary authority.
5. A competitive market of credit providers which have to be accountable to their failure is in dire need.
6. The existing state of the western economy relied heavily on the central bank quantitative easing policy.
7. No one have clue as to the long term effect off that policy.
8. The Sated do not presented to the public plans for the banking system failure
9. An alternative of a parallel monetary communication system have to be set for the case of 2008 recurrence of a much larger scale.
10. Our social organisations which make the laws are dependent and financed by the banking system
11. Public interest thus have very little effect on the law makers regarding  financial issues.
12. The "Too big to fail" phenomenon that was Identified as the source of the 2008 failure and was due to be fixed, only got "larger"
13. A non violent rise against the banking system,as demonstrated in the occupy movement using only democratic actions is too weak.
14. Corporates have a much grater power both on finance and government then citizens.
15. Greed is always present and strong, the system relies on it.
16. Get the Greedy and powerful corporates on your side,  to fight the powerful and greedy governments which should have been on your side.
17. Get their attention to realize that option.
18. Make them invest time learning about this option.
19. Protect yourself
20. Make your living doing that and HAVE FUN!!!!
 

haha so your going to negotiate with coke? your kidding....dear Lord i hope your kidding

[vipgelsi]

Is this all legal?

[NILIcoin]

Now let me lay down my rationale for doing that project the way I do it:

1. Art is my form of expression
2. Credit is the life-line of our economy.
3. The production of credit in the form of a national currency is by law a monopoly held by the state and delegated to private banks.
4. Crypto-currency is a viable alternative to a centralized monetary authority.
5. A competitive market of credit providers which have to be accountable to their failure is in dire need.
6. The existing state of the western economy relied heavily on the central bank quantitative easing policy.
7. No one have clue as to the long term effect off that policy.
8. The Sated do not presented to the public plans for the banking system failure
9. An alternative of a parallel monetary communication system have to be set for the case of 2008 recurrence of a much larger scale.
10. Our social organisations which make the laws are dependent and financed by the banking system
11. Public interest thus have very little effect on the law makers regarding  financial issues.
12. The "Too big to fail" phenomenon that was Identified as the source of the 2008 failure and was due to be fixed, only got "larger"
13. A non violent rise against the banking system,as demonstrated in the occupy movement using only democratic actions is too weak.
14. Corporates have a much grater power both on finance and government then citizens.
15. Greed is always present and strong, the system relies on it.
16. Get the Greedy and powerful corporates on your side,  to fight the powerful and greedy governments which should have been on your side.
17. Get their attention to realize that option.
18. Make them invest time learning about this option.
19. Protect yourself
20. Make your living doing that and HAVE FUN!!!!
 

haha so your going to negotiate with coke? your kidding....dear Lord i hope your kidding

NO...Im really not kidding, They will eventually get that point and will go ahead to make their Coca-cola coin which they most likely would like to appear as the only coca-cola coin. Then once they will  try to get their hand on my coin it will most likely end up in negotiations. who ever will hold a coin then will most likely profit from that since negotiating with me actually will not do much if the coins are not in my possession.
Anyway this way I will get reworded for my work and effort to educate the corporate on the new prospects of their future.

[NILIcoin]

Due to some temporal  changes in the Counterwallet exchange platform, which do not allow for an exchange with BTC at the moment ( while restructuring the platform to a allow a faster and more secure exchange), I will hold off the sell of my coins on the exchange for a short while. meanwhile  I am also planning to open the coin sell option to a larger crowd of investors, mainly directing it to the art community. For this I am looking into the proper platform of crowd funding that will allow for direct fiat payment using paypal. There are a few consideration I need to contemplate, mainly legal issues. One direction other than the crowdfunding platform is actually an art show which will feature the entire project concept as well as sell the coins in a paper wallet as art pieces which can at any point be put back into a digital form to be exchange. For this project I will be traveling to NYC and plan to stay there for about 2 month.

[balu2]

is it launched?

This shit is going to get some attention. 

[NILIcoin]

is it launched?

This shit is going to get some attention. 

It has been on the counterwallet exchange platform for a while.I withdraw my sell orders of a while and will return  it shortly after having done some more art related promotion work on it.

And yes it have a good chance to get noticed big time once my plan is complete.....

[NILIcoin]

let me now explain the rational of doing this project from the perspective of the law: No lawyer whatsoever would be willing even to advise me on that. I could never explain it without demonstrating, which is the thing Im doing here.
 I may not be educated enough in all that the law say in every jurisdiction, but since it have to follow some common sense, I can use the information that is out there to  to work around  while stay with in safe limits.

SRSLY the EFF loves this sort of stuff, and have people who are well qualified to cover even the differing jurisdictional concerns.  You should definitely take this to them.  If nothing else they will offer some general guidance.  I suspect that they will take an interest beyond just that, because they tend to be very active with anything that "asks the new questions" in our virtual frontiers.

Again, even if they choose not to get involved they are some very fun people and I suspect that you will enjoy the discussion of it with them.

As I check my options I would like the Coke lawyers check this option on behalf of their clients. While doing this though, please keep in mind that it is only a representation for the real thing. an illustration if you wish. To make it legal and economic sound will require much more work . So as I work up my applied texture  you can concentrate on making the world a better place to us all

COUPON-COIN monetary model

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1 coupon unit = 1 product unit
price of 1 coupon unit < price of 1 product unit in the market

The coupon units has no expiration date (unlike most coupons)
The coupon units will always be redeemable by issuer (or risk management agent) for the monetary value that it was issued at.

The monetary benefits of the model:

1. coin value stability - A value that range between the market price of the product unit ,and the issue price of the coupon unit.
    The smaller the gap is, the less fluctuations of value are possible
2. Ease of rating the real value and risks of the coin - The balance of,  products in production, damned for this product and the total value of      
    other assets can be evaluated to determine the real value of the coin at any given moment

* There are more complex benefits once the coin enter a credit pool and is lent out on behalf of the borrower potential production power.  I will issue these points in another document which I will post soon

The reason that I choose Coca-Cola to illustrate the Coupon-Coin model is that the company's products are sold almost in any corner of the world, and thus the coin can be accepted and redeemed physically in every street corner. It is like having an ATM option everywhere for a global currency that don't have to be exchanged. It is the thing many bitcoiners vision to the bitcoin, only that for bitcoin it is hard to be accepted at any corner . Also the Coupon-Coin model is  such that it reduce volatility to a minimum level. The margins between the market price of the product, and the discount given by using the coin, sets the upper and lower levels of the coin value. Though if being abused by issuer like having many more coins than actual product or future calculated production, it can cost the company it's consumer trust and lose all its value. Which is another crucial factor for a healthy sustainable monetary and credit system. (A factor that have been ignored by the monopoly of central banks fiat money, while having the public pay for its devastating effect)

[surgexvb]

Digging the artwork!  Keep it up.  Interesting concept for a coin.

[Equate]

Just noticed this thread , looks interesting but need to do lots of reading.

[NILIcoin]

It is very possible to break the rules without breaking a single law. It is a bit more complex to break the rules without shattering the game. And it is most fun to break the rules without breaking the law while changing the game and still play it. It is also of great service to the public.   

[NILIcoin]

5. A competitive market of credit providers which have to be accountable for their failure is in dire need.

6. The existing state of the western economy relies heavily on the central bank quantitative easing policy.

7. No one have a clue as to the long term effect of that policy.
8. States do not present to the public plans for a banking system failure

9. An alternative of a parallel monetary communication system have to be set for a case of 2008 recurrence, of a much larger scale

10. Our social organisations which make the laws are dependent and financed by the banking system

11. Public interest thus have very little effect on the law makers regarding  financial issues.

12. The "Too big to fail" phenomenon that was Identified as the source of the 2008 failure and was due to be fixed, only got "larger"

13. A non violent rise against the banking system, as demonstrated in the occupy movement, using only democratic actions is too weak.

14. Corporates have a much greater power then citizens, both on finance and government.

[NILIcoin]

15. Greed is always present and strong. The system relies on it.





16. Get the Greedy and powerful corporates on your side, to fight the powerful and greedy governments which should have been on your side.

17. Get their attention to realize that option.

18. Make them invest time learning about this option.

19. Protect yourself

20. Make your living doing that and HAVE FUN!!!!

[NILIcoin]

Bitcoin alone, as currency, can not change the fragile state of our economic system.
We need to use it as an alternative fo "bank credit" in order to create the change

Just took that pic on the way back from the cafe.
Click on the photo and go to google search for similar image

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Bitcoin as a protocol is indid much more than a currency, but it might be too late to use, in the dark age that will follow the next "too big to fail" crash, which can become too big to handle

 

[djm34]

20.Stop making horrid photo

21.Learn how to take a shot [/center]

[NILIcoin]

[madmartyk]

I guess what really bothers me about this coin is that you are selling your art for your coins.  BUT, you steal images off google, and not post your art!

[djm34]

I guess what really bothers me about this coin is that you are selling your art for your coins.  BUT, you steal images off google, and not post your art!

I don't think he sells anything (otherwise crypto is in an even bigger trouble that I was thinking), he is just trolling