[GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide

[cathoderay]

 Black Arrow vs. Minersource... UGLY!

Trust neither that is the only sensible advice moving forward given all the posted information from customers of BOTH entities.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Black-Arrow/477655819009178?fref=nf

In attention to all Minersource customers:

Matt Carson from Minersource has managed to convince our customer support department that we owe them 250 X3 miners. Our customer support did not check if they are paid and partially shipped this order (137 miners were dispatched). These miners were NOT paid and upon confrontation with Matt Carson all communication went blank.

It has been 2 months since the event and we now assume that Minersource has no intention of paying the X3 miners that we have delivered. As it stands at the moment we are beginning legal procedures against Minersource in USA.

All customers who have ordered from Minersource and had not yet received their order should begin legal procedures against them as they will not receive anything else from Minersource.

Ouch! And it's only going to get uglier.......

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[Bicknellski]

 Dogie attempts to strangle the voice of the community.

It really should be worrying that Dogie a paid promoter is trying to degrade and stop open debate about the practices of the ASIC manfucturers.

Why should this community be held hostage to one view point on hardware?

Not looking to do this anymore.

 Since this was cancelled to be fair Spondoolies-Tech ask me to do the thread and poll.
...

Confirmed. I also asked Philip to post whatever questions he wants and to freely change our questions if he wants to.
I believe Dogie's thread become irrelevant.

I opened a meta thread to discuss the poll removal by the mods, without any explanation:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=938782.0

Truly sad to see it closed.  I will not post my thoughts, just that I think someone has a lot of pull on what happens. Apparently this poll he did not like.

Snapshot of the manufacturers poll Philipma1957 ran before the mods killed it off



I find the mods action unbelievable.

Guy

Edit:
I opened a meta thread to discuss the poll removal by the mods, without any explanation:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=938782.0

[Guy Corem]

 Dogie attempts to strangle the voice of the community.

It really should be worrying that Dogie a paid promoter is trying to degrade and stop open debate about the practices of the ASIC manfucturers.

Why should this community be held hostage to one view point on hardware?

Not looking to do this anymore.

 Since this was cancelled to be fair Spondoolies-Tech ask me to do the thread and poll.
...

Confirmed. I also asked Philip to post whatever questions he wants and to freely change our questions if he wants to.
I believe Dogie's thread become irrelevant.

I opened a meta thread to discuss the poll removal by the mods, without any explanation:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=938782.0

Truly sad to see it closed.  I will not post my thoughts, just that I think someone has a lot of pull on what happens. Apparently this poll he did not like.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrrhic_victory

The voice of the community before it was brutally shutdown:

[Bicknellski]

There is seemingly one person in particularly in bitcointalk that likes to hang himself with the rope he gives himself or shoots his own foot off with his own gun... this is certainly a case in point. It was ANYTHING but spam given the lax rules on that and how Dogie posts to bump his paying customers threads.

Nothing gained in deleting these poll posts other than to keep pointing out the inadequacy of the competition at the customer service level. Clearly the polls are embarrassing for most ASIC fabricators.

 Dogie attempts to strangle the voice of the community.

It really should be worrying that Dogie a paid promoter is trying to degrade and stop open debate about the practices of the ASIC manfucturers.

Why should this community be held hostage to one view point on hardware?

Not looking to do this anymore.

 Since this was cancelled to be fair Spondoolies-Tech ask me to do the thread and poll.
...

Confirmed. I also asked Philip to post whatever questions he wants and to freely change our questions if he wants to.
I believe Dogie's thread become irrelevant.

I opened a meta thread to discuss the poll removal by the mods, without any explanation:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=938782.0

Truly sad to see it closed.  I will not post my thoughts, just that I think someone has a lot of pull on what happens. Apparently this poll he did not like.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrrhic_victory

The voice of the community before it was brutally shutdown:

[philipma1957]

Bick it is really hard to make something work.

I have been called a minion of spondoolies-tech for posting the polls.
 I am about the deal for the miners what works best.
 BTW I have told more then one person to use this thread


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=934581.0  for mining with a host.

I break down that if you have 11 cent or more power the thread above is better then in house mining.

I clearly show that this is better at the moment for a little guy to do over spondoolies-tech cloud mining offering.

So I am picking a China based person using s-5's over SP-techs cloud offerings.

I did this on multiple threads

twice on spondoolies main thread

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=521520.msg10257658#msg10257658
 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=521520.msg10273274#msg10273274

Guy was good enough to let it stay up on the thread.

right now mining is very hard for people to do.

 I looked at the hardware thread page 1.

 Fact 1)Very Slim pickings for gear choices.
        2) most threads have bitmaintech gear or sp-tech gear.
        3) no mechanism for up to date info on what to buy.

Yeah flaws abound for every builder of gear .
One way to make BTC stick around is to have a good forum not one with chiselers and hustlers.

Getting in the middle of this is not my desire but we need a way to inform people of what is worth while. here are  two flaw per each of the top 3 builders.

1) single biggest flaw for bitmaintech is if you gear is not working it is a real hassle.
2) firmware for bitmaintech is spotty.

1) sp-tech fucked up the summer launch of the sp-30 it was under specced
2) sp-tech was optimistic by saying the sp20 does 1700gh

1)asic miner has been late with the tube  and the prisma
2) a ton of asic miner gear runs hot melt downs popped caps etc.

I do not follow avalon or bit fury so it is not fair to complain about them or list two flaws.

Those 6 flaws I listed are true but I will guarantee you the very fact I put down only flaws will bring anger and denials. yada yada yada.

the 3 above are big sellers and have sold a lot of stuff to us miners.

[Bicknellski]

Whatever you need if I can offer assistance let me know we all know that only moving to a group or communal cloud for mining makes economic sense. 2000W is not enough power to see savings in a home or SOHO setting.

My view which is obviously shared and espoused on by Guy in his October talk video is that chasing ZERO $$$ electricity per kWh is the way to go. How?

Solar, Wind, Biodigestor gas gensets with mining providing additional heat to help keep digester temps optimal in winter.

Give me that solution and you will get on top of the problem of building only in Iceland for cooling. There is synergy in using farm waste and green energy solutions to make mining payoff more than just a straight up massive chicken farm or data center arrangement. If you are not working out how to get those electrical costs to ZERO you are going to lose in 2017.

Bick it is really hard to make something work.

I have been called a minion of spondoolies-tech for posting the polls.
 I am about the deal for the miners what works best.
 BTW I have told more then one person to use this thread


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=934581.0  for mining with a host.

I break down that if you have 11 cent or more power the thread above is better then in house mining.

I clearly show that this is better at the moment for a little guy to do over spondoolies-tech cloud mining offering.

So I am picking a China based person using s-5's over SP-techs cloud offerings.

I did this on multiple threads

twice on spondoolies main thread

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=521520.msg10257658#msg10257658
 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=521520.msg10273274#msg10273274

Guy was good enough to let it stay up on the thread.

right now mining is very hard for people to do.

 I looked at the hardware thread page 1.

 Fact 1)Very Slim pickings for gear choices.
        2) most threads have bitmaintech gear or sp-tech gear.
        3) no mechanism for up to date info on what to buy.

Yeah flaws abound for every builder of gear .
One way to make BTC stick around is to have a good forum not one with chiselers and hustlers.

Getting in the middle of this is not my desire but we need a way to inform people of what is worth while. here are  two flaw per each of the top 3 builders.

1) single biggest flaw for bitmaintech is if you gear is not working it is a real hassle.
2) firmware for bitmaintech is spotty.

1) sp-tech fucked up the summer launch of the sp-30 it was under specced
2) sp-tech was optimistic by saying the sp20 does 1700gh

1)asic miner has been late with the tube  and the prisma
2) a ton of asic miner gear runs hot melt downs popped caps etc.

I do not follow avalon or bit fury so it is not fair to complain about them or list two flaws.

Those 6 flaws I listed are true but I will guarantee you the very fact I put down only flaws will bring anger and denials. yada yada yada.

the 3 above are big sellers and have sold a lot of stuff to us miners.

[Bicknellski]

SPTech continues to wow customers with superior customer service.

I could have titled this post or "What Dogie won't show you in his ratings about SPTech."

Just thought I'd drop by to congratulate Spondoolies-Tech on their superb customer support & efficient RMA process - truly excellent!

I lost a loop on one of my SP20E's, & after SPTech logged in remotely they quickly decided to RMA it after confirming the fault. I was sent details & info for shipping the unit back & as soon as I had sent them the tracking number they dispatched a replacement which I received yesterday (after a long & still ongoing argument with DHL - see below). Customer service like this is hard to find in the Bitcoin world & is the reason I will be using SPTech for my future mining hardware needs. Again, a big thank you to all SPTech staff - massive kudos  

DHL - different story  

They're still trying to charge me tax & import duty on the replacement unit, despite me sending them all the required documentation to prove that this was a replacement unit, the entire email conversation with SPTech & after SPTech kindly wrote to them to confirm what I had already explained to them on multiple occasions via email & phone conversations. Good luck with that DHL  

Peace  

Edit: I don't see the 2.6.9 or 2.6.10 firmware mentioned above on the manual upgrade button - has it been removed?

[PatMan]

As if there was any more proof needed - as soon as I posted the above message of thanks on SPTechs thread - this happened:

Look at this, as soon as SPTech get a post, dogie splatters the thread with more poop to promote his employers........



Pretty much says it all - what a joke this paid advert "guide" is

Even Bitmain find it embarrassingly painful:

Hi Pat,

Can't believe he popped out again...

But we have no control over his negative repping people and submitting mod requests.

Tried but unsuccessful for now.  Keep looking into situation.  This will be a long time project.

If it was under Bitmain Account, sure we can delete them but under his personal account, we have no control over. 

It is painful watching.  Trust me

Hopefully it won't be too long term.........

How sad.

[Bicknellski]

As if there was any more proof needed - as soon as I posted the above message of thanks on SPTechs thread - this happened:

Look at this, as soon as SPTech get a post, dogie splatters the thread with more poop to promote his employers........



Pretty much says it all - what a joke this paid advert "guide" is

Even Bitmain find it embarrassingly painful:

Hi Pat,

Can't believe he popped out again...

But we have no control over his negative repping people and submitting mod requests.

Tried but unsuccessful for now.  Keep looking into situation.  This will be a long time project.

If it was under Bitmain Account, sure we can delete them but under his personal account, we have no control over. 

It is painful watching.  Trust me

Hopefully it won't be too long term.........

How sad.

Obviously Mr Dogie doesn't care about ruining the reputation of Bitmaintech.

[Bicknellski]

Do you need to file a complaint against Bitmine.ch?

Jail you will go. Let us hope people recoup their investment.

 

My lawyer told me they probably will go to JAIL ^^ because of tax fraud (Steuerhinterziehung)

They earn bitcoins and sell them and don´t pay any taxes. Thats fraud BIG STYLE friends.

So i made a notification to ESTV (swiss tax agency). -> sd@estv.admin.ch

the MORE PEOPLE tell them that Christian Anselmi and Giorgio Massarotto are tax frauders the FASTER THEY DO GUYS, they will check them ^^

Thank you @Alex27!

I filed a complaint at the email address provided.  I HIGHLY encourage everyone on this forum to do the same.  If they have not paid taxes on their earnings in any currency (cash or bitcoin) this is the probably the best way for us to get the government involved with this fraudulent company.  

ESTV (swiss tax agency) -> sd@estv.admin.ch

[Bicknellski]

Minersource and Technobit tag team consumers for more losses.

Or Dogie gives Techonbit a 10/10 for Ethics and 10/10 for delivery on time. Someone ain't watching the boards are they?

Yeah, I am owed 19 boards.  I received 6 so if anyone wants some just let me know.

And...

Is this company still alive? Sent back 8 boards, they arrived 2 weeks ago, can not get any response from them.

Marto was online yesterday, so he's still around.

Thanks, missed that when I checked a day before his last post. Still not answering support tickets or anything posted here. 8 boards missing, what a joke this whole groupbuy became, people never seeing their hardware, nor their refunds from minersource, and now rma's end up in some void too.

I stayed with BA and my order was never shipped, all these guys are straight up thieves and liars.

[opieum2]

I think I will give SP a try. I been using bitmain as they have done me no wrong personally. But SP also appears to produce solid hardware. Not a fan of how involved they get in sponsoring surveys that favor them. But If the SP20e performs as I have been reading, then its worth at least a trial run in my environment (most of my monitoring is custom). The numbers don't lie when it comes to performance.

[Guy Corem]

I think I will give SP a try. I been using bitmain as they have done me no wrong personally. But SP also appears to produce solid hardware. Not a fan of how involved they get in sponsoring surveys that favor them. But If the SP20e performs as I have been reading, then its worth at least a trial run in my environment (most of my monitoring is custom). The numbers don't lie when it comes to performance.

Yes, I asked Philip to run the poll. Yes, I asked the initial 5 questions. Additional 3 question were added by the community.
This and donating 2 BTC to Wikimedia was my only involvement. Oh, and there was the untimely death of the first poll due to technicality error.

Guy

[Bicknellski]

I think I will give SP a try. I been using bitmain as they have done me no wrong personally. But SP also appears to produce solid hardware. Not a fan of how involved they get in sponsoring surveys that favor them. But If the SP20e performs as I have been reading, then its worth at least a trial run in my environment (most of my monitoring is custom). The numbers don't lie when it comes to performance.

Let us put that survey / poll in perspective given what passes as fanboi promotion time and time again in these forums.

We can give Spondoolies a thumbs up or thumbs down nothing more or less. In the 100s of user posts not one person has remained negative towards buying a Spondoolies product. I can't find one person that has had an issue with Spondoolies that hasn't been happy or at least satisfied with the resolution of the issue. For the most part the units are some of the best being offered. They ship on time and often to spec and if off spec refunds / reimbursements have been offered.

I think the poll is a good gauge of CONSUMER feeling but you can read through all the threads, like I usually do, to find out why Spondoolies is the most trusted fabricator currently. You don't need a poll to prove it. The forum has ample evidence to support that results of that poll.

Unfortunately some people want to make more of stink about say Asicminer or Bitmain given their issues but to be honest those companies also try and do their best to rectify the mountain of problems they have.

That is not the case of say Bitmine, Black Arrow, Minersource, Avalon, Technobit, BFL, KNC, HashFast, Cointerra and others. But if you read my guide you will see that.

There is no real need to buy equipment for home mining or small mining operations you are fighting a losing cause. But if you are still painfully ignorant of the mining world or mine for fun or whatever reason besides a return on your investment then it is either Spondoolies or Bitmaintech right now. Edge goes to Spondoolies based on customers service and superior build quality. I don't need a multiple column framework using a ten point sliding scale to know that. Anyone in direct competition with Spondoolies also knows this and are scared.

However Spondoolies can't turn on a dime and pump out a 'million' miners in a month can they? No they can't and that is where they are scared of their competition.

[Guy Corem]

I think I will give SP a try. I been using bitmain as they have done me no wrong personally. But SP also appears to produce solid hardware. Not a fan of how involved they get in sponsoring surveys that favor them. But If the SP20e performs as I have been reading, then its worth at least a trial run in my environment (most of my monitoring is custom). The numbers don't lie when it comes to performance.

Let us put that survey / poll in perspective given what passes as fanboi promotion time and time again in these forums.

We can give Spondoolies a thumbs up or thumbs down nothing more or less. In the 100s of user posts not one person has remained negative towards buying a Spondoolies product. I can't find one person that has had an issue with Spondoolies that hasn't been happy or at least satisfied with the resolution of the issue. For the most part the units are some of the best being offered. They ship on time and often to spec and if off spec refunds / reimbursements have been offered.

I think the poll is a good gauge of CONSUMER feeling but you can read through all the threads, like I usually do, to find out why Spondoolies is the most trust fabricator currently. You don't need a poll to prove it. The forum has ample evidence to support that results of that poll.

Unfortunately some people want to make more of stink about say Asicminer or Bitmain given their issues but to be honest those companies also try and do their best to rectify the mountain of problems they have.

That is not the case of say Bitmine, Black Arrow, Minersource, Avalon, Technobit, BFL, KNC, HashFast, Cointerra and others. But if you read my guide you will see that.

There is no real need to buy equipment for home mining or small mining operations you are fighting a losing cause. But if you are still painfully ignorant of the mining world or mine for fun or whatever reason besides a return on your investment then it is either Spondoolies or Bitmaintech right now. Edge goes to Spondoolies based on customers service and superior build quality. I don't need a multiple column framework using a ten point sliding scale to know that. Anyone in direct competition with Spondoolies also knows this and are scared.

However Spondoolies can turn on a dime and pump out a million miners in a month can they? No they can't and that is where they are scared of their competition.

We're not scared of the competition.

[Bicknellski]

I think I will give SP a try. I been using bitmain as they have done me no wrong personally. But SP also appears to produce solid hardware. Not a fan of how involved they get in sponsoring surveys that favor them. But If the SP20e performs as I have been reading, then its worth at least a trial run in my environment (most of my monitoring is custom). The numbers don't lie when it comes to performance.

Let us put that survey / poll in perspective given what passes as fanboi promotion time and time again in these forums.

We can give Spondoolies a thumbs up or thumbs down nothing more or less. In the 100s of user posts not one person has remained negative towards buying a Spondoolies product. I can't find one person that has had an issue with Spondoolies that hasn't been happy or at least satisfied with the resolution of the issue. For the most part the units are some of the best being offered. They ship on time and often to spec and if off spec refunds / reimbursements have been offered.

I think the poll is a good gauge of CONSUMER feeling but you can read through all the threads, like I usually do, to find out why Spondoolies is the most trust fabricator currently. You don't need a poll to prove it. The forum has ample evidence to support that results of that poll.

Unfortunately some people want to make more of stink about say Asicminer or Bitmain given their issues but to be honest those companies also try and do their best to rectify the mountain of problems they have.

That is not the case of say Bitmine, Black Arrow, Minersource, Avalon, Technobit, BFL, KNC, HashFast, Cointerra and others. But if you read my guide you will see that.

There is no real need to buy equipment for home mining or small mining operations you are fighting a losing cause. But if you are still painfully ignorant of the mining world or mine for fun or whatever reason besides a return on your investment then it is either Spondoolies or Bitmaintech right now. Edge goes to Spondoolies based on customers service and superior build quality. I don't need a multiple column framework using a ten point sliding scale to know that. Anyone in direct competition with Spondoolies also knows this and are scared.

However Spondoolies can turn on a dime and pump out a million miners in a month can they? No they can't and that is where they are scared of their competition.

We're not scared of the competition.

You should be scared of competitors that can easily out produce you.  Use whatever term you like. Cognizant, aware, respectful... I prefer the term scared. Puts the right point on it. Then again I am not privy to your total production output so I could be wrong. It may have been the case last year... maybe it isn't the case now.

[Guy Corem]

I think I will give SP a try. I been using bitmain as they have done me no wrong personally. But SP also appears to produce solid hardware. Not a fan of how involved they get in sponsoring surveys that favor them. But If the SP20e performs as I have been reading, then its worth at least a trial run in my environment (most of my monitoring is custom). The numbers don't lie when it comes to performance.

Let us put that survey / poll in perspective given what passes as fanboi promotion time and time again in these forums.

We can give Spondoolies a thumbs up or thumbs down nothing more or less. In the 100s of user posts not one person has remained negative towards buying a Spondoolies product. I can't find one person that has had an issue with Spondoolies that hasn't been happy or at least satisfied with the resolution of the issue. For the most part the units are some of the best being offered. They ship on time and often to spec and if off spec refunds / reimbursements have been offered.

I think the poll is a good gauge of CONSUMER feeling but you can read through all the threads, like I usually do, to find out why Spondoolies is the most trust fabricator currently. You don't need a poll to prove it. The forum has ample evidence to support that results of that poll.

Unfortunately some people want to make more of stink about say Asicminer or Bitmain given their issues but to be honest those companies also try and do their best to rectify the mountain of problems they have.

That is not the case of say Bitmine, Black Arrow, Minersource, Avalon, Technobit, BFL, KNC, HashFast, Cointerra and others. But if you read my guide you will see that.

There is no real need to buy equipment for home mining or small mining operations you are fighting a losing cause. But if you are still painfully ignorant of the mining world or mine for fun or whatever reason besides a return on your investment then it is either Spondoolies or Bitmaintech right now. Edge goes to Spondoolies based on customers service and superior build quality. I don't need a multiple column framework using a ten point sliding scale to know that. Anyone in direct competition with Spondoolies also knows this and are scared.

However Spondoolies can turn on a dime and pump out a million miners in a month can they? No they can't and that is where they are scared of their competition.

We're not scared of the competition.

You should be scared of competitors that can easily out produce you.  Use whatever term you like. Cognizant, aware, respectful... I prefer the term scared. Puts the right point on it.

Aware and respectful it is.

[opieum2]

I think I will give SP a try. I been using bitmain as they have done me no wrong personally. But SP also appears to produce solid hardware. Not a fan of how involved they get in sponsoring surveys that favor them. But If the SP20e performs as I have been reading, then its worth at least a trial run in my environment (most of my monitoring is custom). The numbers don't lie when it comes to performance.

Yes, I asked Philip to run the poll. Yes, I asked the initial 5 questions. Additional 3 question were added by the community.
This and donating 2 BTC to Wikimedia was my only involvement. Oh, and there was the untimely death of the first poll due to technicality error.

Guy

Having a marketing background prior to my IT background, I am of the opinion (which is just that) that it can be poor form. That said, you did donate to a cause of philip's choosing instead of paying him directly as he declined it. You are making an honest effort to work with the community and communicate with them. So kudos there. Your track record speaks for itself. I am not a particular fanboy of any product, I just prefer what works best and meets my needs best. Your hardware clearly demonstrates the chops for that. So again kudos. Overall I do think there needs to be more meaningful vendor related discussion, but the issue/concern is the vendors tainting results as has happened in the past. They can jump in and certainly defend themselves, but the OP needs to pose the questions/surveys on their own. Otherwise it just comes off as biased.

While Dogie provides some excellent information, his vendor affiliation certainly can create a situation that shows bias. Well can't fault bick here he CLEARLY states this is biased and opinionated lol. My issue with poll results is...how do we know it was not gamed? Do we know who voted? We have no meaningful information as sock puppets are a common thing on these forums. It is easy to game the results. Lots of unanswered questions that can put this in a negative light unless its done in a way that shows it was done transparently.

[opieum2]

I think I will give SP a try. I been using bitmain as they have done me no wrong personally. But SP also appears to produce solid hardware. Not a fan of how involved they get in sponsoring surveys that favor them. But If the SP20e performs as I have been reading, then its worth at least a trial run in my environment (most of my monitoring is custom). The numbers don't lie when it comes to performance.

Let us put that survey / poll in perspective given what passes as fanboi promotion time and time again in these forums.

We can give Spondoolies a thumbs up or thumbs down nothing more or less. In the 100s of user posts not one person has remained negative towards buying a Spondoolies product. I can't find one person that has had an issue with Spondoolies that hasn't been happy or at least satisfied with the resolution of the issue. For the most part the units are some of the best being offered. They ship on time and often to spec and if off spec refunds / reimbursements have been offered.

I think the poll is a good gauge of CONSUMER feeling but you can read through all the threads, like I usually do, to find out why Spondoolies is the most trust fabricator currently. You don't need a poll to prove it. The forum has ample evidence to support that results of that poll.

Unfortunately some people want to make more of stink about say Asicminer or Bitmain given their issues but to be honest those companies also try and do their best to rectify the mountain of problems they have.

That is not the case of say Bitmine, Black Arrow, Minersource, Avalon, Technobit, BFL, KNC, HashFast, Cointerra and others. But if you read my guide you will see that.

There is no real need to buy equipment for home mining or small mining operations you are fighting a losing cause. But if you are still painfully ignorant of the mining world or mine for fun or whatever reason besides a return on your investment then it is either Spondoolies or Bitmaintech right now. Edge goes to Spondoolies based on customers service and superior build quality. I don't need a multiple column framework using a ten point sliding scale to know that. Anyone in direct competition with Spondoolies also knows this and are scared.

However Spondoolies can turn on a dime and pump out a million miners in a month can they? No they can't and that is where they are scared of their competition.

We're not scared of the competition.

You should be scared of competitors that can easily out produce you.  Use whatever term you like. Cognizant, aware, respectful... I prefer the term scared. Puts the right point on it.

Aware and respectful it is.

Won't knock you guys, sure competitors could outproduce but often at the cost of quality, but they (SP) do have a solid engineering background and are making very solidly made hardware. I stayed away before because of price and other considerations that did not meet my immediate short term concerns. But SP is a solid player. They are now competing better in a way one should consider doing business with them. That does not mean Bitmain is bad. They are still IMO a great company, but it seems some people are having issues with them. That could be due to a number of things. Personally I am not having issues. But that is speaking for me alone. I have not had an experience with SP yet as far as hardware, so I am ready to take the plunge. 

SP can compete in other ways. The sheer quality of hardware alone is a selling point. If they build solid hardware and are diehard about any warranties they state, that already sets them apart. Customer service goes a long way too. If those areas are the ones they excel in, then there is indeed nothing to be concerned about. I mean really KnC? If that is one of their competitors then yea they got nothing to be scared about. Bitmain is about the only real competition IMO.

[Guy Corem]

I think I will give SP a try. I been using bitmain as they have done me no wrong personally. But SP also appears to produce solid hardware. Not a fan of how involved they get in sponsoring surveys that favor them. But If the SP20e performs as I have been reading, then its worth at least a trial run in my environment (most of my monitoring is custom). The numbers don't lie when it comes to performance.

Yes, I asked Philip to run the poll. Yes, I asked the initial 5 questions. Additional 3 question were added by the community.
This and donating 2 BTC to Wikimedia was my only involvement. Oh, and there was the untimely death of the first poll due to technicality error.

Guy

Having a marketing background prior to my IT background, I am of the opinion (which is just that) that it can be poor form. That said, you did donate to a cause of philip's choosing instead of paying him directly as he declined it. You are making an honest effort to work with the community and communicate with them. So kudos there. Your track record speaks for itself. I am not a particular fanboy of any product, I just prefer what works best and meets my needs best. Your hardware clearly demonstrates the chops for that. So again kudos. Overall I do think there needs to be more meaningful vendor related discussion, but the issue/concern is the vendors tainting results as has happened in the past. They can jump in and certainly defend themselves, but the OP needs to pose the questions/surveys on their own. Otherwise it just comes off as biased.

While Dogie provides some excellent information, his vendor affiliation certainly can create a situation that shows bias. Well can't fault bick here he CLEARLY states this is biased and opinionated lol. My issue with poll results is...how do we know it was not gamed? Do we know who voted? We have no meaningful information as sock puppets are a common thing on these forums. It is easy to game the results. Lots of unanswered questions that can put this in a negative light unless its done in a way that shows it was done transparently.

Thank you for your feedback.

Guy