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October 01, 2010, 12:48:33 AM
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I'm unclear on who is acting as spokesperson in this matter, his/her authority, and what information has been exchanged with the EFF.

We were led to believe that this was a group effort, and traded over a hundred posts composing a letter that we could agree on, yet it appears that communications have been held since that we are not privy to.

I am especially concerned with the statement that "they definitely understand that they can exchange their BTC for USD." Did someone in a responsible position make this policy, or was this an ad lib?


Anyone can act upon their own authority, they don't need our approval.  It is to their credit that they asked for commentary and support, but none need that to act.  This is not an action committee.

"The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the systems was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank...sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world."

- Carroll Quigley, CFR member, mentor to Bill Clinton, from 'Tragedy And Hope'
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October 01, 2010, 01:16:36 AM
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May be we should just donate to other foundation? Roll Eyes

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October 01, 2010, 01:44:39 AM
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Perhaps the next step is to ask if they have access to the account or need help.

You could ask them if they would like to receive more bitcoin? Thus leading to the question if they will put up a donation box.

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October 01, 2010, 02:53:51 AM
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Perhaps the next step is to ask if they have access to the account or need help.

You could ask them if they would like to receive more bitcoin? Thus leading to the question if they will put up a donation box.

So there has been no verification that the funds were even received?

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October 01, 2010, 03:59:58 AM
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Perhaps the next step is to ask if they have access to the account or need help.

You could ask them if they would like to receive more bitcoin? Thus leading to the question if they will put up a donation box.

So there has been no verification that the funds were even received?

The only "verification" you have is Kiba and I's word that we were involved in an email thread with one of the heads of the EFF where we gave them the account information.

If you have any ideas on how we can get the EFF to prove that they recieved the funds, I'm definitely game.

If you want I will post the entire email thread here and just block out the names.
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October 01, 2010, 04:22:02 AM
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Edit: this post used to contain the email thread, but I removed it for EFF's privacy.
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October 01, 2010, 04:42:26 AM
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You should remove the account info for the bitcoin account as soon as possible.

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October 01, 2010, 05:50:32 AM
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You should remove the account info for the bitcoin account as soon as possible.

Sorry about that
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October 01, 2010, 10:04:28 AM
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I wasn't saying that I don't trust Kiba to give a record of the correspondance, I just meant I hadn't followed carefully and didn't realize that they didn't even give a "Thanks, we'll check it out" response, or even a stock "We got your email" message.

I'd say they rejected the donation. (Probably because they are busy eating and drinking with politicians.)

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October 01, 2010, 02:33:32 PM
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I wasn't saying that I don't trust Kiba to give a record of the correspondance, I just meant I hadn't followed carefully and didn't realize that they didn't even give a "Thanks, we'll check it out" response, or even a stock "We got your email" message.

I'd say they rejected the donation. (Probably because they are busy eating and drinking with politicians.)

Probably because we failed to show any benefit to EFF or to their community.

We had an opportunity to introduce a new system of accounting, which could revolutionize payments on the web. What we showed them was forty bucks--IF they hassled with our software and sketchy exchange service.

Somebody trade the Bitcoins into money, so they can get something out of this exchange.



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October 01, 2010, 03:50:41 PM
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I'd say they rejected the donation. (Probably because they are busy eating and drinking with politicians.)

I am going to go with the optimistic hypothesis that they got bigger fish to fry than try to exchange bitcoins for paypal dollars.

With the famousness that they have with geeks, it wouldn't be surprising that they simply forgot our email.

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October 01, 2010, 06:44:30 PM
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The fact is, if we don't get a response within the next week ... or 2 weeks at the most ... I mean, at some point we need to follow up, right?

I just need to figure out what to ask.
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October 01, 2010, 08:41:12 PM
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The fact is, if we don't get a response within the next week ... or 2 weeks at the most ... I mean, at some point we need to follow up, right?

I just need to figure out what to ask.


Hi, did you managed to get control of the mybitcoin account?

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October 01, 2010, 09:02:45 PM
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I'd say they rejected the donation. (Probably because they are busy eating and drinking with politicians.)

I am going to go with the optimistic hypothesis that they got bigger fish to fry than try to exchange bitcoins for paypal dollars.

With the famousness that they have with geeks, it wouldn't be surprising that they simply forgot our email.

Even if no money was attached it is pretty lame for a company claiming to be fighting for freedom to not be interested in a money that can be used freely.

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October 01, 2010, 09:47:06 PM
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I'd say they rejected the donation. (Probably because they are busy eating and drinking with politicians.)

I am going to go with the optimistic hypothesis that they got bigger fish to fry than try to exchange bitcoins for paypal dollars.

With the famousness that they have with geeks, it wouldn't be surprising that they simply forgot our email.

Even if no money was attached it is pretty lame for a company claiming to be fighting for freedom to not be interested in a money that can be used freely.

You mean, uh, charity.

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October 01, 2010, 11:22:47 PM
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The fact is, if we don't get a response within the next week ... or 2 weeks at the most ... I mean, at some point we need to follow up, right?

I just need to figure out what to ask.


Hi, did you managed to get control of the mybitcoin account?

Makes sense. What do you say -- wait 1 week and then ask?

Apparently I'm incapable of making an independent decision.
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October 02, 2010, 04:41:04 AM
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The fact is, if we don't get a response within the next week ... or 2 weeks at the most ... I mean, at some point we need to follow up, right?

I just need to figure out what to ask.


Hi, did you managed to get control of the mybitcoin account?

Makes sense. What do you say -- wait 1 week and then ask?

Apparently I'm incapable of making an independent decision.

Have we not wait two weeks already?

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October 02, 2010, 04:43:28 AM
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We could always pick another recipient. I vote for Stephan Molyneux.

While he is not the eff he is the pre-eminent liberty philosopher of our time.
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October 02, 2010, 04:49:16 AM
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A registered letter should be sent to the EFF if you want them to take you seriously.

I also like "stefbot" (Stephen Molyneux). I've been trying to get a hold of him for weeks. I want his site to accept Bitcoin donations. Smiley
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October 02, 2010, 05:15:01 AM
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We could always pick another recipient. I vote for Stephan Molyneux.

While he is not the eff he is the pre-eminent liberty philosopher of our time.

I would prefer not to waste the donations of everyone here in the community. The donation was already sent. At the very least, the EFF would liquidate the coins.

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