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October 02, 2010, 05:19:14 AM
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We could always pick another recipient. I vote for Stephan Molyneux.

While he is not the eff he is the pre-eminent liberty philosopher of our time.

ESR might be willing to accept bitcoin donations.

He is both a hacker and anarchist and he would fit right in with the bitcoin community.

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October 02, 2010, 07:38:54 AM
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In the future we should not do donations in this manner. We should request that they put up a donation box, and say that IF they do this then and only then will we donate coins.

In any event, I'm going to go ahead and send some sort of follow up to the EFF this weekend.
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October 02, 2010, 08:14:36 AM
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I'm not a supporter of donating something and then later (when they are not interested directly) saying, well then give it back. Especially because many people donated to their cause, not some other organisation. How do you think (let's stretch it a bit far) if people donated for the WWF and saw their money going to the PETA, because the WWF was not interested but the PETA is.

Personally, I see two options that I can feel happy with:
1) Keep the account with the bitcoins for a few years and send an automated mail to the EFF yearly. If bitcoin really catches the market they might become more interested.
2) Contact one of their sister organisations in other countries, asking if they are interested.

<edit>For point 2, mail the EFF with an ultimatum for the EFF to collect the coins.</edit>
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October 02, 2010, 07:03:05 PM
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2) Contact one of their sister organisations in other countries, asking if they are interested.

<edit>For point 2, mail the EFF with an ultimatum for the EFF to collect the coins.</edit>

Ultimatum? I don't understand ...
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October 02, 2010, 08:21:02 PM
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2) Contact one of their sister organisations in other countries, asking if they are interested.

<edit>For point 2, mail the EFF with an ultimatum for the EFF to collect the coins.</edit>

Ultimatum? I don't understand ...

"If we don't hear from you before <some_date> we assume that you are not interested in the donation and we will find an other organisation that might be more interested in this donation."

Or something like that.
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October 02, 2010, 08:30:14 PM
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2) Contact one of their sister organisations in other countries, asking if they are interested.

<edit>For point 2, mail the EFF with an ultimatum for the EFF to collect the coins.</edit>

Ultimatum? I don't understand ...

"If we don't hear from you before <some_date> we assume that you are not interested in the donation and we will find an other organisation that might be more interested in this donation."

Or something like that.

Well it's kinda impossible at this point. I already hand them the mybitcoin account.

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October 02, 2010, 08:32:22 PM
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Well it's kinda impossible at this point. I already hand them the mybitcoin account.

Ah. I was under the impression that we still would have access to the bitcoins (because, other people mentioned to donate them to some other organisation).
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October 03, 2010, 12:44:59 AM
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Well it's kinda impossible at this point. I already hand them the mybitcoin account.

Ah. I was under the impression that we still would have access to the bitcoins (because, other people mentioned to donate them to some other organisation).

None of the coins in the account were ever mine so I don't really have standing here.

But I think you could interpret the interaction thus far as you holding your hand out offering a bag full of coins for 3 weeks and not even getting a nod. You are not stealing if you pull back the bag. They had the ability to take them for a long time and didn't do it.

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October 03, 2010, 02:32:43 AM
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Reminds me of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PayPal#Criticism_and_limitations in September 2005 when PayPal tried to instead divert the donations to a fraudulent charity instead of the Red Cross as Something Awful members had anticipated.

Of course this issue is different in that Kiba is not freezing any funds, however each individual funder should have a say in whether their funds are returned to them, to be preserved in donation to EFF or any other action.  I wouldn't change the course of action for the funds as a whole without permission from all donaters.
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October 03, 2010, 07:59:36 PM
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Okay, I sent a brief follow-up today.

"Hi [name omitted]! I haven't heard back from you so I wanted to do a quick follow-up. Did you managed to get control of the mybitcoin account?

Thanks,
[BrightAnarchist]"

I'll let you know if I hear back.
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October 03, 2010, 08:52:33 PM
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Hmm, is there a reason to censor their (Aaron Jue or Mitchell Kapor) name?
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October 04, 2010, 03:27:42 PM
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Know everything you can about your customers:

http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/10/04/1454231/Free-Software-Foundation-Turns-25

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October 04, 2010, 04:20:53 PM
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Stallman is less receptive than Raymond simply because Stallman is just a moderate socialist. Raymond is an anarchist and he's already siting on the fence about IP abolishment.

Nonetheless, I don't know if the free software crowd would be receptive to bitcoin and ciphergeeks and anarchistic hackers that surround it.

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October 04, 2010, 04:27:34 PM
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Oops! I confused the FSF with the EFF. Sorry!



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October 04, 2010, 06:14:01 PM
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Stallman is less receptive than Raymond simply because Stallman is just a moderate socialist. Raymond is an anarchist and he's already siting on the fence about IP abolishment.

Nonetheless, I don't know if the free software crowd would be receptive to bitcoin and ciphergeeks and anarchistic hackers that surround it.

Individuals aside, I'd wager that Bitcoin is already fairly popular among FS/OSS types whom are aware of it's existance.  I am such a free software geek from long ago, even though I'm not a coder.

"The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the systems was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank...sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world."

- Carroll Quigley, CFR member, mentor to Bill Clinton, from 'Tragedy And Hope'
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October 05, 2010, 10:13:14 PM
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No email from the EFF?  Huh

Maybe ya need to send a letter until it get noticed by the EFF people.

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October 06, 2010, 07:50:03 PM
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No email?  Cry

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October 06, 2010, 08:32:49 PM
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No email?  Cry

Nothing, no response
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October 06, 2010, 08:40:03 PM
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Try again?

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October 06, 2010, 10:18:52 PM
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Maybe someone else should try?
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