Links to dead coins INDICATOR DC ...........................

[mart2000]

Hi Rw13enlib88,

It looks to me as though Bit1 has "died"

Bit1

RIP

[bit1]

Rw13enlib88:  Thanks for advice about Irishcoin OP updated........

mart2000:     I just read your message, I had troubles with my account,

So sorry for delay guys, but thread keep alive.....


Edit: I'm surprised for Indicator(NCC), it was on 496 on my last updated  and now it  is 585, they are  89 new coins listed on coinmarketcap on last period.

[silvermetal]

I think that could be more than a week, do you have a better suggestion?

Yes. A two-condition rule: one post a month or, after a longer period, an enquiring “Hey dev, is this coin dead?” post receives a response within a week.

The Chaincoin dev's post history is a good example of why the existing rule #1 is unrealistic in practice.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=198935;sa=showPosts

Mooncoin is a classic example of absentee dev and live coin where rule #1 is mostly irrelevant.

it service of DC is totally free,on basis of a coin is different

It's not all that different for a coin without a premine, as many devs of zero-premine coins will tell you.

Cheers

Graham

Rule number 1 has been changed according with you suggestion, but honestly ChainCoin with post of dev
with intervals of July 30, 2014  to   October 29, 2014, we are talking about 3 months,is a lot of time,There is not reason to a Dev wait a long time to post a simple ´Hello World´......................,
I think that each coin is different, for example we dont need to wait 30 days to declare dead a scam coin
for example nuclearcoin  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=700004.0................
About mooncoin community has been very participative since start, for this reason rule number 1 look irrelevant but it is not so really,remember that it rule appears a lot of time after that mooncoin.Rule number 1 need be to know for all devs, but it is only time question.

Interesting thread, but in my opinion an impossible mission

About chaincoin:

"Rolihlahla" (the dev of chaincoin) = "MaxGuevara" (dev of Quark)= "JohnJoule" (dev of Joulecoin) = "Giskard" (dev of Zeta) = "8bitcoder" (dev of Myriad) = "RedKendra" (dev of Skeincoin) = etcetc (I guess another 10-20 coins + accounts)....

In other words the dev of chaincoin is always active at bitcointalk, only you have no idea with which account he is logged in. It is for him very easy to monitor when somebody posts RIP in his thread. Then he will be "suddenly" active. If his last post in that thread is 29 October 2014 you may consider he doesn't care for that coin anymore and everybody should be careful investing in that coin.

mooncoin is also an interesting example mentioned. There is not an active community present. They pretend there is an active community. This is how scammers work. It is the same with UNO (another coin the dev of chaincoin is involved with). 2/3 people with multiple accounts (you will find there scammer gustav/balu2/v500 etc, one person multiple accounts) posting continuous nonsense.

[gjhiggins]

"Rolihlahla" (the dev of chaincoin) ... etcetc (I guess another 10-20 coins + accounts)....

I've seen this claim before but so far, it's never been substantiated and this is bitcointalk, so if you'll forgive me for being a bit of a wet hen, I'll pass on this one.

mooncoin is also an interesting example mentioned. There is not an active community present.

That's odd, I was part of the community when I posted that response. I don't recall being a scammer but then, what am I like?

You're right about it being an impossible task, just about any blockchain can be re-initialised and re-launched by anyone who fancies their chances. I'm tending towards tagging altcoins as “inactive” vs “active” based on blockchain activity.

Elsewhere I have an OWL ontology which is capable of representing the essential programmatic and economic “profile” of an alt in terms of pchMessageStart, genesis block hash, etc. in such a fashion that the bindings can be used to re-create the coin, if not identically, then at least in core substance.


Cheers

Graham

Edit: added slightly more substantive notes

[KlondikeBear]

mooncoin is also an interesting example mentioned. There is not an active community present. They pretend there is an active community. This is how scammers work. It is the same with UNO (another coin the dev of chaincoin is involved with). 2/3 people with multiple accounts (you will find there scammer gustav/balu2/v500 etc, one person multiple accounts) posting continuous nonsense.

Mooncoin is an active community.

Ask bitcointalk.org admin, we have more than 100 PMs last year.

Many users aren't active in our thread, they are still discouraged with big Mooncoin dump after original dev has left development 1 year ago.
99% of Mooncoin users have bought Mooncoin when it was BTC market/original dev. If you remember Mooncoin had up to 1000-2000 BTC volume a day on coinex.

Now Luckycoin developer Titan is helping us, there is also a developer peme since autumn of 2014.

[silvermetal]

"Rolihlahla" (the dev of chaincoin) ... etcetc (I guess another 10-20 coins + accounts)....

I've seen this claim before but so far, it's never been substantiated and this is bitcointalk, so if you'll forgive me for being a bit of a wet hen, I'll pass on this one.

Hm a quick look in post history of gjhiggins learns me he supported Qubitcoin, another "dead" coin from "developer" Rolihlahla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=411065.msg10874752#msg10874752

Thanks for refreshing my memory on that one. What was his accountname for Qubitcoin? wasn't it "neuromode"?

Mooncoin is an active community.

Right. Was/is Digitalindustry also not very active in your community? What do I need to say more...

[gjhiggins]

Hm a quick look in post history of gjhiggins learns me he supported Qubitcoin, another "dead" coin from "developer" Rolihlahla:

Look further and you'll see I've made technical contributions to a number of altcoins incl. BeecoinV2, DeepCoin, Bitcredits, Spreadcoin and VCoin.

What's your point?


Cheers

Graham

[KlondikeBear]

Mooncoin is an active community.

Right. Was/is Digitalindustry also not very active in your community? What do I need to say more...

Digitalindustry? He was active in our thread an year ago or around that.
If I remember correct, he has posted funny stuff about Mooncoin, like a project of building a base on a dark side of Moon etc.
Does it mean that Mooncoin is a scam? What if digitalindustry posts something about Dogecoin, will it mean that Dogecoin is a scam?

Mooncoin thread has 9,622 posts and a lot of Bitcointalk users have posted there. The thread is not self moderated and, I hope, will never be.

[silvermetal]

Mooncoin is an active community.

Right. Was/is Digitalindustry also not very active in your community? What do I need to say more...

Digitalindustry? He was active in our thread an year ago or around that.
If I remember correct, he has posted funny stuff about Mooncoin, like a project of building a base on a dark side of Moon etc.
Does it mean that Mooncoin is a scam? What if digitalindustry posts something about Dogecoin, will it mean that Dogecoin is a scam?

Were you asleep when I visited the mooncoin thread in December 2014?
I posted some information about DI in combination with mooncoin:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=389403.msg9714496#msg9714496

Hm a quick look in post history of gjhiggins learns me he supported Qubitcoin, another "dead" coin from "developer" Rolihlahla:

What's your point?

My point is that I find it remarkable that when I post some facts about a developer that he clones many coins and uses many account names there is always some "plausible denial" from someone. If I want to find out from who, then there are always some connections from the poster and that developer....

[gjhiggins]

My point is that I find it remarkable that when I post some facts about a developer that he clones many coins and uses many account names there is always some "plausible denial" from someone. If I want to find out from who, then there are always some connections from the poster and that developer....

Hmm, this has descended into trolling.

1. You posted unsupported allegations, not facts
2. “never substantiated” != "plausible denial”

And your sceptical stance does not justify offensively gratuitous innuendo.

Cheers

Graham

[KlondikeBear]

Were you asleep when I visited the mooncoin thread in December 2014?
I posted some information about DI in combination with mooncoin:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=389403.msg9714496#msg9714496

The information you had posted regarding Mooncoin was that "DI has bought 1 mln Mooncoin and has made a pump since Jan 2014 and other active Mooncoin users are just his clones/friends".
But
1) some Mooncoin users own BILLIONS not 1 mln
2) I know several active Mooncoin users, they are for sure from different countries, Spain, Italy, Germany, NL... we're talking a lot via PM so I can say they are real persons, each of them has own mentality, language, problems...

Here is just a very small part of Mooncoin users

coinflow
peme
agswinner
redjedievolution
Titan
Wekkel
jaipagare
johnbrainless
Zeta0S
placebo
Don007
gogota
CryptoDatabase
ZorroPai
Angora
siameze
muhrohmat
Lboss
sigwo
Erkallys
fredeq
gormadoc
bit tired

I'm not sure about a pump since Jan 2014, either.

Remember that an original dev (and maybe his team if any) has left Mooncoin development an year ago. Old Mooncoin's issues are being fixed now.
Let people work, don't discredit them!

I've sent you PM not to flood this unappropriate thread. Please respond it first, or stop these unverified accusations.

[silvermetal]

Hmm, this has descended into trolling.

Sure, makes sense to troll in a "popular" thread that only klondikebear, you and me are reading.
Why should I do that in this thread? Chaincoin and Qubitcoin are dead for a long time. Even you don't bother anymore for those coins.

I've sent you PM not to flood this unappropriate thread. Please respond it first, or stop these unverified accusations.

If you are bothered by my posts then it is best to stop posting more inappropriate information about mooncoin addressed to me .

[gjhiggins]

I suppose that it's remotely possible your model is so impoverished that you genuinely don't realise your posts are badly misinformed, so much so that they are effectively indistinguishable from trolling:

Chaincoin and Qubitcoin are dead for a long time. Even you don't bother anymore for those coins.

Wrong again. I lend a hand in curating a number of alts, some of which are listed here: https://minkiz.co/acme

Specifically ...

Code:

Welcome to the Chaincoin RPC console.
Use up and down arrows to navigate history, and Ctrl-L to clear screen.
Type help for an overview of available commands.

getpeerinfo

[
{
"addr" : "66.172.10.28:11994",
"services" : "00000001",
"lastsend" : 1434895580,
"lastrecv" : 1434895583,
"bytessent" : 504205,
"bytesrecv" : 1289494,
"conntime" : 1434702157,
"version" : 70001,
"subver" : "/Satoshi:0.8.99.11/",
"inbound" : false,
"startingheight" : 482126,
"banscore" : 0,
"syncnode" : true
},
{
"addr" : "5.9.56.229:11994",
"services" : "00000001",
"lastsend" : 1434895584,
"lastrecv" : 1434895583,
"bytessent" : 510189,
"bytesrecv" : 598320,
"conntime" : 1434702194,
"version" : 70001,
"subver" : "/Satoshi:0.8.99.14/",
"inbound" : false,
"startingheight" : 482126,
"banscore" : 0
},
{
"addr" : "37.59.24.15:11994",
"services" : "00000001",
"lastsend" : 1434895584,
"lastrecv" : 1434895584,
"bytessent" : 803105,
"bytesrecv" : 1395591,
"conntime" : 1434702238,
"version" : 70001,
"subver" : "/Satoshi:0.8.99.14/",
"inbound" : false,
"startingheight" : 482126,
"banscore" : 0
},
{
"addr" : "108.61.191.186:11994",
"services" : "00000001",
"lastsend" : 1434895583,
"lastrecv" : 1434895583,
"bytessent" : 725093,
"bytesrecv" : 598000,
"conntime" : 1434764690,
"version" : 70001,
"subver" : "/Satoshi:0.8.99.14/",
"inbound" : false,
"startingheight" : 482878,
"banscore" : 0
},
{
"addr" : "104.238.146.223:11994",
"services" : "00000001",
"lastsend" : 1434895581,
"lastrecv" : 1434895583,
"bytessent" : 63004,
"bytesrecv" : 50463,
"conntime" : 1434886856,
"version" : 70001,
"subver" : "/Satoshi:0.8.99.15/",
"inbound" : false,
"startingheight" : 484092,
"banscore" : 0
}
]

Code:

gjh@chrome:~$ ifconfig
eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr c8:60:00:be:3f:f7  
          inet addr:5.9.56.229  Bcast:5.9.56.255  Mask:255.255.255.224
          inet6 addr: fe80::ca60:ff:febe:3ff7/64 Scope:Link
          inet6 addr: 2a01:4f8:161:52e1::2/64 Scope:Global
          UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
          RX packets:209313064 errors:0 dropped:514695 overruns:0 frame:0
          TX packets:278628915 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
          collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 
          RX bytes:119352316807 (119.3 GB)  TX bytes:128921890770 (128.9 GB)

AIUI, Qubitcoin is still limping along. The blockchain remains active so I don't consider it “dead”.

You haven't chosen to favour us with your definition of “dead” (I suspect largely due to you not having bothered* to put in the intellectual effort to build an understanding of what “dead” means for a p2p app) but it'll have to be a deeply idiosyncratic one because of all the facts you choose to ignore. 

At this point, if you were a friend of mine, I'd be advising you to concentrate on identifying some hard facts to counter your horribly flawed understanding.

This is a topic concerning dead coins, I have an interest in characterising the definition of such. Any list is necessarily and inherently out of date as soon as it is published but you can try picking the bones out of this one:

https://minkiz.co/coin/inactive/

You are quite poorly informed and your risk model is totally off the wall as a consequence. You're positing the existence of a single bad actor with a ludicrous work rate when the evidence in the source code itself suggests only that a small cabal of serial altcoin devs might be responsible for somewhere around 50-60% of launched alts.

A recent case in point: compare the source code of transformerscoin and dubstep, launched within a couple of weeks of each other.

Of course, if you have any actual evidence for your particular notion, do trot it out.


Cheers

Graham

* you can take it as a compliment that I consider you likely capable of such a task

[silvermetal]

blabla

What is your point?

If you read my post better, then I already questioned whether it is possible to define a died coin.
And that the intention of the OP is a mission impossible because "developers" who copy coins also have numerous accounts. An example was given above by me. In your opinion it is a bad example, and that is understandable because you work closely with him after reading your post history. I could have also mentioned for example "hazard", "r3wt", "iGotSpots" etc and then another person would have popped up here.

And active communities...Well there are numerous threads with "active community". I also could have mentioned UNO, where it looks like there is a whole list of "unique posters":
V500
forlackofabettername
gustav
balu2
voluntarist500
venlo
smalltimer
kkoin

And guess what?
They are all one and the same person.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=299308.msg10667896#msg10667896

The interesting part of UNO is that your developer is also working there (as 8bitcoder and WillowRosenberg). He merge mined UNO with some other coins he copied.

[bit1]

Well,

        
        Looks that Chaincoin had activity again, Dev  made an announcement something today after nearly a year without activity https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=422149.440 , so it is mentioned  OP on "Special cases".

[gjhiggins]

In your opinion it is a bad example, and that is understandable because you work closely with him after reading your post history.

Okay-doke, enough with the sly innuendo. Let's have this out in the open where everyone can see it. You have stated that I work closely with someone you have proof is a scammer. You now need to:

1. Put a name to “him”
2. Post here all the posts from him to me and vice versa that you consider fall into the category of “work closely with”

If you don't, I will.

You did good work on the caveate emptor but you're way out of order here.

And, while we're at it ... would you care to step out from behind the pseudonym and share your identity, home address and contact details?

Cheers

Graham Higgins

[silvermetal]

You have stated that I work closely with someone you have proof is a scammer. You now need to:

No you are making this up!
Where do I indicate he is a scammer? He doesn't scam, he works closely with people who scams for him (Digitalindustry, gustav and "friends" etc).

1. Put a name to “him”

I only knew him as a very absent developer "MaxGuevara" from Quark.
When somebody revealed he is also "WillowRosenberg":
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=260031.msg10331605#msg10331605
then it was very easy to find dozens of other accountnames of him at bitcointalk. (see my first post in this thread).

2. Post here all the posts from him to me and vice versa that you consider fall into the category of “work closely with”

If you don't, I will.

Ok that saves time for me. I only have seen your posts in Qubitcoin and Chaincoin so you can skip those posts. By the way, I am not interested so not sure for who you want to do it? And you don't have to convince me .

You did good work on the caveate emptor

Thanks

[bit1]

About BITCASH looks dead.

I tried post  on   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737857.0 but I received it message:

Warning: this topic has not been posted in for at least 120 days.
Unless you're sure you want to reply, please consider starting a new topic.

I guess that is necessary reply for ask about if it coin is definitely dead an mark it.

What do you think? Somebody else?

[Rick Storm]

About BITCASH looks dead.

I tried post  on   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737857.0 but I received it message:

Warning: this topic has not been posted in for at least 120 days.
Unless you're sure you want to reply, please consider starting a new topic.

I guess that is necessary reply for ask about if it coin is definitely dead an mark it.

What do you think? Somebody else?

I think define "dead coin" as when you cannot download the blockchain anymore. This way you can download the wallet and check for yourself if the coin is "dead" and you won't have to post "coin is dead?" in every thread.

[bit1]

About BITCASH looks dead.

I tried post  on   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737857.0 but I received it message:

Warning: this topic has not been posted in for at least 120 days.
Unless you're sure you want to reply, please consider starting a new topic.

I guess that is necessary reply for ask about if it coin is definitely dead an mark it.

What do you think? Somebody else?

I think define "dead coin" as when you cannot download the blockchain anymore. This way you can download the wallet and check for yourself if the coin is "dead" and you won't have to post "coin is dead?" in every thread.

But in case that coin  is dead, Could be necessary to revives thread to can mark with RIP anyway, so better and more effective ask on the thread.    Don´t you think so?

Anyway your idea of download wallet  could work in cases where thread is locked for long time.........