Charlie Shrem is scammer, watch out

[swansong]

I like how the people with the biggest mouths have the least involvement in the situation.

Just because I have no skin in the game is no reason for me not to care.

My reputation for over 3 years has been to call out the scammers that do shady dealings.

How big of a mouth do you have given you have posted in this thread that "doesn't involve you"?  

good job Smoothie! keep up the good work.

and bracek I hope you get your btcs back.

[bitspill]

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      38 | smoothie
      38 | Yankee (BitInstant)
      12 | Walter Rothbard
      11 | Rawted
       7 | ACCTseller
       7 | Blazedout419
       6 | malaimult
       6 | sublime5447
       4 | KingOfSports
       3 | bitcoin_bagholder
       3 | MrTeal
       3 | Stunna
       3 | swansong
       3 | TECSHARE
       3 | tmfp
       2 | BayAreaCoins
       2 | bbit
       2 | BIGbangTheory
       2 | bitspill
       2 | bluemountain
       2 | bobabouey2
       2 | Eisenhower34
       2 | EternalWingsofGod
       2 | Keyser Soze
       2 | moriartybitcoin
       1 | 5dollarbill
       1 | ABitNut
       1 | ashe
       1 | AT101ET
       1 | BadBear
       1 | bf4btc
       1 | BigBitz
       1 | bitgeek
       1 | brand
       1 | BTCfan668
       1 | calim
       1 | crazy-pilot
       1 | deluxeCITY
       1 | desired_username
       1 | drAGon925
       1 | drcore
       1 | evansearle42
       1 | exoton
       1 | FattyMcButterpants
       1 | jakedeez
       1 | justbtcme
       1 | LibertyRemains
       1 | MilesJohan
       1 | R2Pleasent
       1 | r3wt
       1 | s1lverbox
       1 | seedtrue
       1 | Snipe85
       1 | TikiShack
       1 | Velkro
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[bitspill]

I like how the people with the biggest mouths have the least involvement in the situation.

Just because I have no skin in the game is no reason for me not to care.

My reputation for over 3 years has been to call out the scammers that do shady dealings.

How big of a mouth do you have given you have posted in this thread that "doesn't involve you"?  

I didn't quote it in the other post, but this is the context of the above statistics. I was asked via PM what it was for, this way everyone knows.

[Rawted]

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      38 | smoothie
      38 | Yankee (BitInstant)
      12 | Walter Rothbard
      11 | Rawted
       7 | ACCTseller
       7 | Blazedout419
       6 | malaimult
       6 | sublime5447
       4 | KingOfSports
       3 | bitcoin_bagholder
       3 | MrTeal
       3 | Stunna
       3 | swansong
       3 | TECSHARE
       3 | tmfp
       2 | BayAreaCoins
       2 | bbit
       2 | BIGbangTheory
       2 | bitspill
       2 | bluemountain
       2 | bobabouey2
       2 | Eisenhower34
       2 | EternalWingsofGod
       2 | Keyser Soze
       2 | moriartybitcoin
       1 | 5dollarbill
       1 | ABitNut
       1 | ashe
       1 | AT101ET
       1 | BadBear
       1 | bf4btc
       1 | BigBitz
       1 | bitgeek
       1 | brand
       1 | BTCfan668
       1 | calim
       1 | crazy-pilot
       1 | deluxeCITY
       1 | desired_username
       1 | drAGon925
       1 | drcore
       1 | evansearle42
       1 | exoton
       1 | FattyMcButterpants
       1 | jakedeez
       1 | justbtcme
       1 | LibertyRemains
       1 | MilesJohan
       1 | R2Pleasent
       1 | r3wt
       1 | s1lverbox
       1 | seedtrue
       1 | Snipe85
       1 | TikiShack
       1 | Velkro
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     261 | TOTAL POSTS

Odd that I have no right to speak, I was among the first to be screwed over by Charlie and Bitinstant and have been voicing it for the last 2 years. When every other long timer turned their heads because "Charlie wouldn't scam", I was leaving negative trust for him here and on the OTC and catching shit for it. The guy is a scammer through and through, and it's quite evident by his actions in this thread that he planned this, as he responded for months after learning he would be going to jail. Anyone giving Charlie slack right now is just pathetic.

On September 4, 2014, he pleaded guilty to a reduced charge of aiding and abetting unlicensed money transmission.[29][30] On December 19, 2014, he was sentenced to two years in prison for indirectly helping to send $1 million to Silk Road.[31]

[smoothie]

I like how the people with the biggest mouths have the least involvement in the situation.

Just because I have no skin in the game is no reason for me not to care.

My reputation for over 3 years has been to call out the scammers that do shady dealings.

How big of a mouth do you have given you have posted in this thread that "doesn't involve you"?  

I didn't quote it in the other post, but this is the context of the above statistics. I was asked via PM what it was for, this way everyone knows.

To compose a list of this caliber it sure looks like you are attempting to be involved.

I still stick to my reputation on how I have dealt with scammers and shady dealings on this forum: Calling them out no matter who they are.

[WhatsBitcoin]

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      38 | smoothie
      38 | Yankee (BitInstant)
      12 | Walter Rothbard
      11 | Rawted
       7 | ACCTseller
       7 | Blazedout419
       6 | malaimult
       6 | sublime5447
       4 | KingOfSports
       3 | bitcoin_bagholder
       3 | MrTeal
       3 | Stunna
       3 | swansong
       3 | TECSHARE
       3 | tmfp
       2 | BayAreaCoins
       2 | bbit
       2 | BIGbangTheory
       2 | bitspill
       2 | bluemountain
       2 | bobabouey2
       2 | Eisenhower34
       2 | EternalWingsofGod
       2 | Keyser Soze
       2 | moriartybitcoin
       1 | 5dollarbill
       1 | ABitNut
       1 | ashe
       1 | AT101ET
       1 | BadBear
       1 | bf4btc
       1 | BigBitz
       1 | bitgeek
       1 | brand
       1 | BTCfan668
       1 | calim
       1 | crazy-pilot
       1 | deluxeCITY
       1 | desired_username
       1 | drAGon925
       1 | drcore
       1 | evansearle42
       1 | exoton
       1 | FattyMcButterpants
       1 | jakedeez
       1 | justbtcme
       1 | LibertyRemains
       1 | MilesJohan
       1 | R2Pleasent
       1 | r3wt
       1 | s1lverbox
       1 | seedtrue
       1 | Snipe85
       1 | TikiShack
       1 | Velkro
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Odd that I have no right to speak, I was among the first to be screwed over by Charlie and Bitinstant and have been voicing it for the last 2 years. When every other long timer turned their heads because "Charlie wouldn't scam", I was leaving negative trust for him here and on the OTC and catching shit for it. The guy is a scammer through and through, and it's quite evident by his actions in this thread that he planned this, as he responded for months after learning he would be going to jail. Anyone giving Charlie slack right now is just pathetic.

On September 4, 2014, he pleaded guilty to a reduced charge of aiding and abetting unlicensed money transmission.[29][30] On December 19, 2014, he was sentenced to two years in prison for indirectly helping to send $1 million to Silk Road.[31]

Took some time to read this thread in its entirety...Rawted did you ever get the check that Charlie claim he would cut for you in fiat to settle the bitinstant fiasco?

[Rawted]

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      38 | smoothie
      38 | Yankee (BitInstant)
      12 | Walter Rothbard
      11 | Rawted
       7 | ACCTseller
       7 | Blazedout419
       6 | malaimult
       6 | sublime5447
       4 | KingOfSports
       3 | bitcoin_bagholder
       3 | MrTeal
       3 | Stunna
       3 | swansong
       3 | TECSHARE
       3 | tmfp
       2 | BayAreaCoins
       2 | bbit
       2 | BIGbangTheory
       2 | bitspill
       2 | bluemountain
       2 | bobabouey2
       2 | Eisenhower34
       2 | EternalWingsofGod
       2 | Keyser Soze
       2 | moriartybitcoin
       1 | 5dollarbill
       1 | ABitNut
       1 | ashe
       1 | AT101ET
       1 | BadBear
       1 | bf4btc
       1 | BigBitz
       1 | bitgeek
       1 | brand
       1 | BTCfan668
       1 | calim
       1 | crazy-pilot
       1 | deluxeCITY
       1 | desired_username
       1 | drAGon925
       1 | drcore
       1 | evansearle42
       1 | exoton
       1 | FattyMcButterpants
       1 | jakedeez
       1 | justbtcme
       1 | LibertyRemains
       1 | MilesJohan
       1 | R2Pleasent
       1 | r3wt
       1 | s1lverbox
       1 | seedtrue
       1 | Snipe85
       1 | TikiShack
       1 | Velkro
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Odd that I have no right to speak, I was among the first to be screwed over by Charlie and Bitinstant and have been voicing it for the last 2 years. When every other long timer turned their heads because "Charlie wouldn't scam", I was leaving negative trust for him here and on the OTC and catching shit for it. The guy is a scammer through and through, and it's quite evident by his actions in this thread that he planned this, as he responded for months after learning he would be going to jail. Anyone giving Charlie slack right now is just pathetic.

On September 4, 2014, he pleaded guilty to a reduced charge of aiding and abetting unlicensed money transmission.[29][30] On December 19, 2014, he was sentenced to two years in prison for indirectly helping to send $1 million to Silk Road.[31]

Took some time to read this thread in its entirety...Rawted did you ever get the check that Charlie claim he would cut for you in fiat to settle the bitinstant fiasco?

Yes, I received a check for $360, my initial purchase amount in Jan 2013. I had originally purchased 20 BTC from his company.

[smoothie]

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      64 | bracek
      38 | smoothie
      38 | Yankee (BitInstant)
      12 | Walter Rothbard
      11 | Rawted
       7 | ACCTseller
       7 | Blazedout419
       6 | malaimult
       6 | sublime5447
       4 | KingOfSports
       3 | bitcoin_bagholder
       3 | MrTeal
       3 | Stunna
       3 | swansong
       3 | TECSHARE
       3 | tmfp
       2 | BayAreaCoins
       2 | bbit
       2 | BIGbangTheory
       2 | bitspill
       2 | bluemountain
       2 | bobabouey2
       2 | Eisenhower34
       2 | EternalWingsofGod
       2 | Keyser Soze
       2 | moriartybitcoin
       1 | 5dollarbill
       1 | ABitNut
       1 | ashe
       1 | AT101ET
       1 | BadBear
       1 | bf4btc
       1 | BigBitz
       1 | bitgeek
       1 | brand
       1 | BTCfan668
       1 | calim
       1 | crazy-pilot
       1 | deluxeCITY
       1 | desired_username
       1 | drAGon925
       1 | drcore
       1 | evansearle42
       1 | exoton
       1 | FattyMcButterpants
       1 | jakedeez
       1 | justbtcme
       1 | LibertyRemains
       1 | MilesJohan
       1 | R2Pleasent
       1 | r3wt
       1 | s1lverbox
       1 | seedtrue
       1 | Snipe85
       1 | TikiShack
       1 | Velkro
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Odd that I have no right to speak, I was among the first to be screwed over by Charlie and Bitinstant and have been voicing it for the last 2 years. When every other long timer turned their heads because "Charlie wouldn't scam", I was leaving negative trust for him here and on the OTC and catching shit for it. The guy is a scammer through and through, and it's quite evident by his actions in this thread that he planned this, as he responded for months after learning he would be going to jail. Anyone giving Charlie slack right now is just pathetic.

On September 4, 2014, he pleaded guilty to a reduced charge of aiding and abetting unlicensed money transmission.[29][30] On December 19, 2014, he was sentenced to two years in prison for indirectly helping to send $1 million to Silk Road.[31]

Took some time to read this thread in its entirety...Rawted did you ever get the check that Charlie claim he would cut for you in fiat to settle the bitinstant fiasco?

Yes, I received a check for $360, my initial purchase amount in Jan 2013. I had originally purchased 20 BTC from his company.

This is good to hear about. Hopefully he doesnt leave Bracek hanging on this debt.

[KingOfSports]

Doubt hes going to pay it. Probably gonna do his time and come out thinking he owes nobody as all will have forgotten (if thats the case couple years down the road).

[drAGon925]

Doubt hes going to pay it. Probably gonna do his time and come out thinking he owes nobody as all will have forgotten (if thats the case couple years down the road).

I think the opposite way. By now he was under pressure, the jail will be a break for it, he will have time to think.
After being released from prison will become a "rehabilitated" and different, like the guys after military service become men 
then he can start to resolve his debts to continue normal life.

If Bracek could wait success of BTC as early adopter, I think it is not difficult to wait for that scammer to come back and squeezed him in perhaps a more sophisticated way.

[bracek]

Charlie, buy some bitoin now with that money you said you had...

[applesRyummy]

Charlie, buy some bitoin now with that money you said you had...

Buy bitcoin? I thought he was suppose to use the bitcoin he received from sales of physical coins?

Why don't you explain how him buying bitcoin to pay you would be fair?

[ABitNut]

Charlie, buy some bitoin now with that money you said you had...

Buy bitcoin? I thought he was suppose to use the bitcoin he received from sales of physical coins?

Why don't you explain how him buying bitcoin to pay you would be fair?

Alright. Charlie agreed to sell the physical coins. He created the impression that they were an easy sell and that he had buyers lined up. Yet, months down the line bracek has not been paid for the sale. It is fair for bracek to get paid. How Charlie obtains the funds to pay is not that relevant.

Would you please explain how it is fair that bracek doesn't have his physical coins and didn't get paid for them either?

And on a side note - if you're in the explaining mood already - why did you buy an account that has only 36 posts? Good luck on your posting spree to get some money out of that signature campaign.

[applesRyummy]

Charlie, buy some bitoin now with that money you said you had...

Buy bitcoin? I thought he was suppose to use the bitcoin he received from sales of physical coins?

Why don't you explain how him buying bitcoin to pay you would be fair?

Alright. Charlie agreed to sell the physical coins. He created the impression that they were an easy sell and that he had buyers lined up. Yet, months down the line bracek has not been paid for the sale. It is fair for bracek to get paid. How Charlie obtains the funds to pay is not that relevant.

Would you please explain how it is fair that bracek doesn't have his physical coins and didn't get paid for them either?

It would be very difficult to sell the physical coins unless you are very trusted. My impression of the situation was that barek approached charlie to sell the coins on his behalf and charlie is giving barek a premium over the value of the bitcoin in the physical coins. Charlie will need to sell the coins above both their face value and above the premium (or at the premium) that barcek is getting in order to pay him "back". Charlie has also paid money out of his own pocket in order to get the coins graded (getting coins graded is not free). He is providing barcek a service by selling the coins on his behalf.

If barcek were to have the physical coins in his possession then all he could do with them is hold them as if he were to spend the bitcoin in the coins they would lost the majority of their value

[smoothie]

It is very simple: Charlie has not paid bracek the remaining balance of BTC owed to him for coins he has sold of has in his possession.

Charlie stood to gain from grading the coins as he could mark them up and get a larger cut should the grading be on the high end. I bet bracek could care less about grading and just wanted to sell the coins.

[ABitNut]

Charlie, buy some bitoin now with that money you said you had...

Buy bitcoin? I thought he was suppose to use the bitcoin he received from sales of physical coins?

Why don't you explain how him buying bitcoin to pay you would be fair?

Alright. Charlie agreed to sell the physical coins. He created the impression that they were an easy sell and that he had buyers lined up. Yet, months down the line bracek has not been paid for the sale. It is fair for bracek to get paid. How Charlie obtains the funds to pay is not that relevant.

Would you please explain how it is fair that bracek doesn't have his physical coins and didn't get paid for them either?

It would be very difficult to sell the physical coins unless you are very trusted. My impression of the situation was that barek approached charlie to sell the coins on his behalf and charlie is giving barek a premium over the value of the bitcoin in the physical coins. Charlie will need to sell the coins above both their face value and above the premium (or at the premium) that barcek is getting in order to pay him "back". Charlie has also paid money out of his own pocket in order to get the coins graded (getting coins graded is not free). He is providing barcek a service by selling the coins on his behalf.

If barcek were to have the physical coins in his possession then all he could do with them is hold them as if he were to spend the bitcoin in the coins they would lost the majority of their value

Your understanding of the stituation appears to be very poor. There, one more post for you to reply to on your signature spam run. Mind you, this is the last one I'm giving you.

[smoothie]

More so Charlie has time before he goes to prison to make good on this past due debt.

Will he?

The outcome of the question will truly determine his character.

Right now he is a scammer. I could care less how well known he is.

The facts are all well documented in this thread.

[Inotanewbie]

More so Charlie has time before he goes to prison to make good on this past due debt.

Will he?

The outcome of the question will truly determine his character.

Right now he is a scammer. I could care less how well known he is.

The facts are all well documented in this thread.

The definition of "scammer" generally differs from person to person, so it is unlikely the community will be able to agree on if Charlie is a "scammer"

I would say that he is most likely not going to repay the OP prior to him going to prison. He has not posted since being sentenced and has little reason to do so now. It is unlikely that many/any people will remember this incident by the time he gets out (regardless of if he repays him after he does so).

[drAGon925]

More so Charlie has time before he goes to prison to make good on this past due debt.

Will he?

The outcome of the question will truly determine his character.

Right now he is a scammer. I could care less how well known he is.

The facts are all well documented in this thread.

The definition of "scammer" generally differs from person to person, so it is unlikely the community will be able to agree on if Charlie is a "scammer"

I would say that he is most likely not going to repay the OP prior to him going to prison. He has not posted since being sentenced and has little reason to do so now. It is unlikely that many/any people will remember this incident by the time he gets out (regardless of if he repays him after he does so).

The most important thing is that bracek will not forget.

I see  bracek have good advice for Charlie, this is his chance to buy at low price!

[Rawted]

Charlie will hide until it's time for him to go to prison - that's his character. He will have spent most if not all his BTC by then, including Bracek's.

A smart person would contact the New York District Attorney's office and inform them of this most recent theft by Charlie. Conduct like this most certainly violates any agreement, and would likely result in additional charges and a much lengthier prison sentence. If there's one thing Charlie has proven, is that he will not do right unless backed into a corner. Put him in that corner, OP.

EDIT: Here is the New York District Attorney's cyber crimes division phone number. 212-335-9600