Charlie Shrem is scammer, watch out

[Walter Rothbard]

I am glad we started to settle the deal finally

the question remains why "my money" was spent in the first place ?
It is a clear sign that there was no respect towards it.
and what is that action telling about intention to give it back ?

why do I have to get it in chunks ?
Who knows how long will it take,
might be just a continuation of a weird game...
time will tell

but one has to admit that there is something really unusual going on here, right ?

It's already been explained in the thread that his understanding of the agreement was that you would be paid when he sold the coins, not when he received them from you.

[Yankee (BitInstant)]

I am glad we started to settle the deal finally

the question remains why "my money" was spent in the first place ?
It is a clear sign that there was no respect towards it.
and what is that action telling about intention to give it back ?

why do I have to get it in chunks ?
Who knows how long will it take,
might be just a continuation of a weird game...
time will tell

but one has to admit that there is something really unusual going on here, right ?

It's already been explained in the thread that his understanding of the agreement was that you would be paid when he sold the coins, not when he received them from you.

The issue is, I made the mistake and prematurely advanced him coins, therefore setting a precedent.

So, I understand when he saw I sold some of the other coins he wants the additional BTC.

Anyways, were working it out so no worries.

[Walter Rothbard]

I am glad we started to settle the deal finally

the question remains why "my money" was spent in the first place ?
It is a clear sign that there was no respect towards it.
and what is that action telling about intention to give it back ?

why do I have to get it in chunks ?
Who knows how long will it take,
might be just a continuation of a weird game...
time will tell

but one has to admit that there is something really unusual going on here, right ?

It's already been explained in the thread that his understanding of the agreement was that you would be paid when he sold the coins, not when he received them from you.

The issue is, I made the mistake and prematurely advanced him coins, therefore setting a precedent.

So, I understand when he saw I sold some of the other coins he wants the additional BTC.

Anyways, were working it out so no worries.

I suspect he's going to continue to gripe here, but hopefully not.

BTW, Charlie, I like the way you are handling this.  Very concerned about your reputation, but not disrespectful or aggressive.

I think we have here a case where two parties ultimately disagree on what the original agreement was.  From the perspective of the rest of us, neither is "right" or "wrong."  They just need to work it out, or else leave each other alone.  To sit and hurl insults and scam accusations in such a case like was done here is very bad form, IMO.

[Yankee (BitInstant)]

Bracek, can you confirm this is you?

Let me know which address to send more Bitcoin to, please post it here.

So far the only address I have confirmed is this one:
1EYn7SvBGm6PGgzq6XCQ74MB5RXvRT7USd

Someone has been emailing me 2-3 different ones since yesterday, Im afraid to send.

Im nervous because I asked the emailer to post the address in this thread (which Bracek did before) and he ignored me and threatened me 3 times.

Please post the new one here.

a a
11:57 AM (20 minutes ago)

Hi,
Do not send to BTC adresse i give you last time , because it adresse my client , send to adresse i give you now !
this one  :
sent to 1CLURnKcByagZifS7xu4RjK6ZVG9kh5smW

Charlie 'Charles' Shrem <>
12:00 PM (15 minutes ago)

to a
I keep getting fake emails from you

Can you post the address in the public thread on bitcointalk ?

a a
12:05 PM (9 minutes ago)

to me
Man this not funny at all you wanna me to report you again on forum bitcointalk like yesterday !
i am serieuse , what emails fake you talk about !
we deal many times and you send me more then 150 BTC and now you said i sent fake email !
really you changed charlie , you will send my btc or not ?

Charlie 'Charles' Shrem <>
Attachments12:07 PM (8 minutes ago)

to a
See attached,

My computer says these emails are 'phishing'

All I am asking you to do, is post the address here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=817069.msg9154391#msg9154391

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a a
12:11 PM (4 minutes ago)

to me
Yes i see and i told you this is scammer do not send to him , if you see this yelow message when i talk to you do not send me any BTC ,
now you see yelow message alert when i talk to you now ?

Charlie 'Charles' Shrem <>
12:15 PM (0 minutes ago)

to a
I'm still afraid this is the scammer.

I can easily send you another 6-7 BTC right now, I just need to confirm the address:

1EYn7SvBGm6PGgzq6XCQ74MB5RXvRT7USd

Or, if you want a new one post the address here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=817069.msg9154391#msg9154391

a a
12:17 PM (4 minutes ago)

to me
Do not send to this BTC adrese i said to you this is my client BTC adresse !
send to this BTC 13YmGZjBTuLqzbRPPkZ7QnbVPwCpmf6xY4
Don't worry Charlie.

a a
12:37 PM (3 minutes ago)

to me
OMG! you are doing like this because you don't want to send me BTC , let me back home and i will not be happy with you in forum , because if sameone wanna scam you that your problem , and you the one ask me to talk on email and to send you BTC adresse on Email for security now you wanna back to forum again , don't make me worried man,  there more deals well do..
if you don't trust that is me create one btc account then send money on it and send me account infos here !
thank you for wasting my time .

[bracek]

I am glad we started to settle the deal finally

the question remains why "my money" was spent in the first place ?
It is a clear sign that there was no respect towards it.
and what is that action telling about intention to give it back ?

why do I have to get it in chunks ?
Who knows how long will it take,
might be just a continuation of a weird game...
time will tell

but one has to admit that there is something really unusual going on here, right ?

It's already been explained in the thread that his understanding of the agreement was that you would be paid when he sold the coins, not when he received them from you.

yes, but you don't know what I have been told through pm's

[Yankee (BitInstant)]

I am glad we started to settle the deal finally

the question remains why "my money" was spent in the first place ?
It is a clear sign that there was no respect towards it.
and what is that action telling about intention to give it back ?

why do I have to get it in chunks ?
Who knows how long will it take,
might be just a continuation of a weird game...
time will tell

but one has to admit that there is something really unusual going on here, right ?

It's already been explained in the thread that his understanding of the agreement was that you would be paid when he sold the coins, not when he received them from you.

yes, but you don't know what I have been told through pm's

Bracek, please see my message above.

[bracek]

I am glad we started to settle the deal finally

the question remains why "my money" was spent in the first place ?
It is a clear sign that there was no respect towards it.
and what is that action telling about intention to give it back ?

why do I have to get it in chunks ?
Who knows how long will it take,
might be just a continuation of a weird game...
time will tell

but one has to admit that there is something really unusual going on here, right ?

There is nothing unusual going on here at all. I advanced you BTC before I sold all your physicals.

I sent you about 160 BTC total.

-Charlie

since you made the receiving address public, people can see it has not received 160 btc,
why the constant augmenting of good stuff, and downplaying the bad,
lets keep it as it is

[Yankee (BitInstant)]

Bracek,

Is this you who keeps emailing me? See my messages above:

a a
12:37 PM (3 minutes ago)

to me
OMG! you are doing like this because you don't want to send me BTC , let me back home and i will not be happy with you in forum , because if sameone wanna scam you that your problem , and you the one ask me to talk on email and to send you BTC adresse on Email for security now you wanna back to forum again , don't make me worried man,  there more deals well do..
if you don't trust that is me create one btc account then send money on it and send me account infos here !
thank you for wasting my time .

Forget everything else, Im trying to figure out of the person emailing me is really you.

See here for more emails: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=817069.msg9154693#msg9154693

Let me know, or private PM me the address you want the Bitcoin sent to from now on.

-Charlie

[bracek]

The issue is, I made the mistake and prematurely advanced him coins, therefore setting a precedent.

So, I understand when he saw I sold some of the other coins he wants the additional BTC.

Anyways, were working it out so no worries.

in your messages, you explicitly said that you have sold the coins and sent me exact amounts

which was it, advance or actual sales ?
why is all the info so fuzzy ?

[Yankee (BitInstant)]

The issue is, I made the mistake and prematurely advanced him coins, therefore setting a precedent.

So, I understand when he saw I sold some of the other coins he wants the additional BTC.

Anyways, were working it out so no worries.

in your messages, you explicitly said that you have sold the coins and sent me exact amounts

which was it, advance or actual sales ?
why is all the info so fuzzy ?

Bracek,

I defended you on the past posts. No need to dwell on this.

We moved on from this, Im paying your BTC, everything is fine. Nothing is fuzzy. I sent you 150 BTC, I owe you 50 more (I sent 10 last night) and I still have some of your physical coins which I will sell, dont worry.

More importantly, can you please respond to all my messages?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=817069.msg9154693#msg9154693
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=817069.msg9154834#msg9154834
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=817069.msg9154930#msg9154930

Im trying to figure out if the scammer is you or not.

[bracek]

I suspect he's going to continue to gripe here, but hopefully not.

BTW, Charlie, I like the way you are handling this.  Very concerned about your reputation, but not disrespectful or aggressive.

I think we have here a case where two parties ultimately disagree on what the original agreement was.  From the perspective of the rest of us, neither is "right" or "wrong."  They just need to work it out, or else leave each other alone.  To sit and hurl insults and scam accusations in such a case like was done here is very bad form, IMO.

I must continue, because of my suspicions that teh strategy is to stall
to defuse the social pressure, and maybe not pay later,

excuse me for thinking out loud, I am not accusing of anything,
just a thought that crossed my mind of how it looks like


and
I also think this is being handled very well by both of us,
considering the stakes

[TikiShack]

The guy is trying to confirm your Bitcoin address and you're ignoring him lol

[bracek]

So far the only address I have confirmed is this one:
1EYn7SvBGm6PGgzq6XCQ74MB5RXvRT7USd


yes, the only one,
it will not change, send only there


ignore all emails, all are fake

[Yankee (BitInstant)]

I suspect he's going to continue to gripe here, but hopefully not.

BTW, Charlie, I like the way you are handling this.  Very concerned about your reputation, but not disrespectful or aggressive.

I think we have here a case where two parties ultimately disagree on what the original agreement was.  From the perspective of the rest of us, neither is "right" or "wrong."  They just need to work it out, or else leave each other alone.  To sit and hurl insults and scam accusations in such a case like was done here is very bad form, IMO.

I must continue, because of my suspicions that teh strategy is to stall
to defuse the social pressure, and maybe not pay later,

excuse me for thinking out loud, I am not accusing of anything,
just a thought that crossed my mind of how it looks like


and
I also think this is being handled very well by both of us,
considering the stakes

I understand your suspicious, and social preassure will not be defused. This bitcointalk thread will always exist and I am a man of my word.

I believe we are both handling it well. I will continue to send you BTC over the next weeks until this is paid off.

So far the only address I have confirmed is this one:
1EYn7SvBGm6PGgzq6XCQ74MB5RXvRT7USd


yes, the only one,
it will not change, send only there


ignore all emails, all are fake

THANK YOU! This scammer keeps emailing me.

From now on, I will only send BTC to addresses that are in this thread.

[bracek]

Bracek,

Is this you who keeps emailing me? See my messages above:

a a
12:37 PM (3 minutes ago)

to me
OMG! you are doing like this because you don't want to send me BTC , let me back home and i will not be happy with you in forum , because if sameone wanna scam you that your problem , and you the one ask me to talk on email and to send you BTC adresse on Email for security now you wanna back to forum again , don't make me worried man,  there more deals well do..
if you don't trust that is me create one btc account then send money on it and send me account infos here !
thank you for wasting my time .

Forget everything else, Im trying to figure out of the person emailing me is really you.

See here for more emails: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=817069.msg9154693#msg9154693

Let me know, or private PM me the address you want the Bitcoin sent to from now on.

-Charlie

I am not sending any of that, ignore all of it,
why did you ever want to drag the comunication to emails anyway ?
lets just keep it here in the open
actually, no need for any communication,
just send to this address

1EYn7SvBGm6PGgzq6XCQ74MB5RXvRT7USd

[Yankee (BitInstant)]

Bracek,

Is this you who keeps emailing me? See my messages above:

a a
12:37 PM (3 minutes ago)

to me
OMG! you are doing like this because you don't want to send me BTC , let me back home and i will not be happy with you in forum , because if sameone wanna scam you that your problem , and you the one ask me to talk on email and to send you BTC adresse on Email for security now you wanna back to forum again , don't make me worried man,  there more deals well do..
if you don't trust that is me create one btc account then send money on it and send me account infos here !
thank you for wasting my time .

Forget everything else, Im trying to figure out of the person emailing me is really you.

See here for more emails: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=817069.msg9154693#msg9154693

Let me know, or private PM me the address you want the Bitcoin sent to from now on.

-Charlie

I am not sending any of that, ignore all of it,
why did you ever want to drag the comunication to emails anyway ?
lets just keep it here in the open
actually, no need for any communication,
just send to this address

1EYn7SvBGm6PGgzq6XCQ74MB5RXvRT7USd

Sorry, I thought it was you emailing me. If I ignored the emails, I was afraid you would come here and tell people I was ignoring you

Agreed, everything in the open and will send to that address.

I will post updated every time I sent.

Thank you and have a nice day

-Charlie

[Rawted]

and what about rawted's accusation, 17 btc, while we are clearing all this mess ?

He claims BitInstant owes him money from about a year ago. Anyone who was owed money I personally paid them (even though the company closed and Im not personally liable). He never emailed me any deposit slips or anything I can cross reference, only an order number that I can't even check.

[/quote]
This is mostly incorrect.

1. I posted on the official "Bitinstant Support" thread within 20 minutes of the deposit going missing (i believe it was around page 38 at the time). I had done 2 previous transactions with BI.

2. I spoke to you initially, and the first person you directed me to (a female support agent), confirmed the debt with just the order number. She was supposed to pay me back in April 2013. Never happened.

3. I spoke to zipzap (took about 10 days to actually get a response), they confirmed the order number and were supposed to contact Bitinstant. Never happened.

4. After a few months (7, to be exact) you referred me to another support agent and he confirmed the order number as well and was very helpful, and confirmed the debt.

5. You asked me for my moneygram deposit slip after almost 16 months from the date of the transaction, despite having my order number, and confirmation from BI employees. I admit, I have no clue where it went.

I've been asking and posting about it here and on IRC for almost two years. It wasn't until I posted here and left you negative feedback that you started coming around and responding again. What is it going to take to resolve this, man?

[Yankee (BitInstant)]

I've been asking and posting about it here and on IRC for almost two years. It wasn't until I posted here and left you negative feedback that you started coming around and responding again. What is it going to take to resolve this, man?

Rawted,

This was a BitInstant matter, not one of me personally. I've done my best to refund every customer, paying thousands out of my own pocket.

I sent you an email and I am offering again here to fully refund the $360 you deposited that day.

You have my email, as we were in conversation, feel free to email me an address where to mail the check.

I will overnight a FedEx check to you today if you email me your address right now.

-Charlie

Edit: I just sent you an email offering a full refund.

[Rawted]

I've been asking and posting about it here and on IRC for almost two years. It wasn't until I posted here and left you negative feedback that you started coming around and responding again. What is it going to take to resolve this, man?

Rawted,

This was a BitInstant matter, not one of me personally. I've done my best to refund every customer, paying thousands out of my own pocket.

I sent you an email and I am offering again here to fully refund the $360 you deposited that day.

You have my email, as we were in conversation, feel free to email me an address where to mail the check.

I will overnight a FedEx check to you today if you email me your address right now.

-Charlie

I can appreciate the fact that you're no longer involved with BI. I can totally appreciate the amount you have had to pay out of your pocket to clear up issues. My problem is that I started this support request through you/your company back when you were in charge of it all. You know exactly who I am, as you just emailed me right away after I posted. If you notice the email you replied to was sent March of 2014. That's 7 months since you last replied to me about this.  You even knew the exact amount (360). Why did it have to get to this?

I'm torn as I realize you have no control over BI assets anymore, but I feel like my situation is different (due to the length of time I have been in contact about this, and the hoops I've been forced through), and that I have been more then patient enough. The offer of $360 is commendable, but again, I bought bitcoins with that money - I didn't place it in a no-interest savings plan for 18 months. I am honestly not happy at all with that appeasement. I appreciate you responding, and honestly attempting to resolve this (which I would like as well), but this is not fair, imo.

I have removed  the negative from your profile while we work towards an amicable solution, and thank you for stepping up.

EDIT: The email you just replied to from feb 2014 even has the order ID, event details, store, and location sent from in it. Would it be worth trying to get a hold of zipzap again about this?

[Yankee (BitInstant)]

I can appreciate the fact that you're no longer involved with BI. I can totally appreciate the amount you have had to pay out of your pocket to clear up issues. My problem is that I started this support request through you/your company back when you were in charge of it all. You know exactly who I am, as you just emailed me right away after I posted. If you notice the email you replied to was sent March of 2014. That's 7 months since you last replied to me about this.  You even knew the exact amount (360). Why did it have to get to this?

I'm torn as I realize you have no control over BI assets anymore, but I feel like my situation is different (due to the length of time I have been in contact about this, and the hoops I've been forced through), and that I have been more then patient enough. The offer of $360 is commendable, but again, I bought bitcoins with that money - I didn't place it in a no-interest savings plan for 18 months. I am honestly not happy at all with that appeasement. I appreciate you responding, and honestly attempting to resolve this (which I would like as well), but this is not fair, imo.

I have removed  the negative from your profile while we work towards an amicable solution, and thank you for stepping up.

Thanks for your message.

I was able to know the amount and who you are because after you posted this I searched "Rawted" in my gmail search and only 1 email came up. I also know it was $360 because that was the amount you told me, so I am going by your word.

There are many places where your order could have failed, and Im sorry for the length of time it has taken to resolve this. ZipZap may have not paid us for your order, or it could have failed. Bitcoins were never purchased for this order. If there was, we would have had the coins to give you

I was only apprised to this situation when once I got your email on Feb 17th 2014. Up until that point, I had no idea of this situation.

The day I got your email, I copied my partner and said (you have this email as well)

Hey Gareth,

Can you look this up and confirm?

Ill pay the refund out of my pocket if the details match up.

Steve - I stepped down, but like I said be glad to help.

Since then I received 1 other email from you in March. Gareth has not responded to me, and I dont have any corresponded between you and him.

My current offer stands. We dont have much information to go on here, but Im happy to refund you to just end this.

Currently, as part of my bail conditions I am not allowed to engaged in any BitInstant activity. This includes investigating this further and buying more Bitcoin for the company. The only thing I can do is refund you out of my pocket. The $360 would come from me personally and not the company

There is a clear legal line between what a company and a person. All of these dealings are between you and the company. I am no longer part of the company. However Im doing this because I know $360 is alot of money and I would be pissed as well.

-Charlie

EDIT: The email you just replied to from feb 2014 even has the order ID, event details, store, and location sent from in it. Would it be worth trying to get a hold of zipzap again about this?

All ZipZap will do is confirm this order exists in their system and that you paid.

From then on, I have no way to check the BitInstant system of what happened to your order.

This is why Im offering to give you a full refund.

Edit: I'm not even legally allowed to send you Bitcoin as a refund, as that constitutes money transmission which I'm guilty of. I can only refund you in the way you paid which is why I offered to FedEx a bank check.