Charlie Shrem is scammer, watch out

[bracek]

Thanks Walter.

I addressed the payment this morning, about 7 hours ago.

Since this is going to get dragged into public whether anyone likes it or not, we might as well ask for clarification for the record - by "addressed the payment," do you mean you mailed the rest of it, as fiat currency?  Or am I confused?

Hey Walter,

What I meant by 'addressed' was that I addressed the issue. I told Bracek that every week he would receive a payment. I ended up sending 2 payments the first week a few days apart to show my commitment. Next payment is due this coming week.

hey, Charlie,
can you "address the issue" some more ?

[bracek]

people, I hope you see now what kind of guy he really is,
beware...

If I ever get my btc back, it will be because he saw a bigger chunk to steal elsewhere.

[Rawted]

I really hope things get resolved for you soon, Bracek. Good luck bud.

[bitcoin_bagholder]

people, I hope you see now what kind of guy he really is,
beware...

If I ever get my btc back, it will be because he saw a bigger chunk to steal elsewhere.

Maybe Charlie is low on cash (btc) and is having problems ponying up the required btc.

[bracek]

people, I hope you see now what kind of guy he really is,
beware...

If I ever get my btc back, it will be because he saw a bigger chunk to steal elsewhere.

Maybe Charlie is low on cash (btc) and is having problems ponying up the required btc.

well, he addressed that one too,
said explicitly that I need not worry,
that he has more than enough to cover the debt

and even so,
how come he spent my money in the first place ?

[deluxeCITY]

people, I hope you see now what kind of guy he really is,
beware...

If I ever get my btc back, it will be because he saw a bigger chunk to steal elsewhere.

Maybe Charlie is low on cash (btc) and is having problems ponying up the required btc.

well, he addressed that one too,
said explicitly that I need not worry,
that he has more than enough to cover the debt

and even so,
how come he spent my money in the first place ?

I don't think it is accurate to say that he spent your money. The agreement was for him to sell the physical coins on your behalf and he would send you the money as he sold the coins (after the buyer confirmed receipt and confirmed there were no problems with them.

It was only after you opened a frivolous scam accusation against him that did he agree to pay you ahead of schedule

[bracek]

people, I hope you see now what kind of guy he really is,
beware...

If I ever get my btc back, it will be because he saw a bigger chunk to steal elsewhere.

Maybe Charlie is low on cash (btc) and is having problems ponying up the required btc.

well, he addressed that one too,
said explicitly that I need not worry,
that he has more than enough to cover the debt

and even so,
how come he spent my money in the first place ?

I don't think it is accurate to say that he spent your money. The agreement was for him to sell the physical coins on your behalf and he would send you the money as he sold the coins (after the buyer confirmed receipt and confirmed there were no problems with them.

It was only after you opened a frivolous scam accusation against him that did he agree to pay you ahead of schedule

I admire your strength to sustain the wrong view,
nothing is frivolous here, guy is not returning my money,
he said he sold the coins long ago and did not pay up

nothing is ahead of schedule, and those first two payments were described as a token of good will ?
come on

lets do this :
send me some coins, and I'll give you third of them back as a show of good will,
do we have a deal ?

[bracek]

Charlie, where are you, why the delay ?
what is going on ?

[ACCTseller]

Charlie, where are you, why the delay ?
what is going on ?

Did Charlie not say that you have his telephone number, email address an home address? Wouldn't it be a lot easier to contact him via one of those means instead of bumping this thread daily? If he is not online then he will obviously not see this, but he would almost certainly receive a text message and/or a phone call

[smoothie]

why iz none of you righteous boyz calling Charlie out ?

he did not honor his words, again...

Sorry for my brevity but what exactly did Charlie not do?

he said he will make payments weekly,
no btc incoming since october 11th

I guess he is again "offline for a few days"

Can you quote your claim?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=817069.msg9320804#msg9320804

I see.

And he isn't responding to email, phone, text etc?

[Yankee (BitInstant)]

Charlie, where are you, why the delay ?
what is going on ?

Sorry for the delay, I havent been online in a few weeks. Im going to buy some BTC or sell some more physicals to pay you more this week.

I just sent you 1.26 thats left in my wallet. https://blockchain.info/address/1EYn7SvBGm6PGgzq6XCQ74MB5RXvRT7USd

I should be getting a payment of a few BTC early this week, will send to you when I do.

Already, I have sent 150 BTC. If I was going to scam you, I would not have sent anything at all.

You will be paid for these coins, every cent of it. I am a man of my word.

Charlie, where are you, why the delay ?
what is going on ?

Did Charlie not say that you have his telephone number, email address an home address? Wouldn't it be a lot easier to contact him via one of those means instead of bumping this thread daily? If he is not online then he will obviously not see this, but he would almost certainly receive a text message and/or a phone call

And he isn't responding to email, phone, text etc?

This is what I am saying. I dont know why we're keeping this thread going. I've paid him half and continuing to do it. I don't come onto the forums at all anymore.

If you don't hear from my, email me. My address is on CharlieShrem.com

Thanks.

[smoothie]

Charlie, where are you, why the delay ?
what is going on ?

Sorry for the delay, I havent been online in a few weeks. Im going to buy some BTC or sell some more physicals to pay you more this week.

I just sent you 1.26 thats left in my wallet. https://blockchain.info/address/1EYn7SvBGm6PGgzq6XCQ74MB5RXvRT7USd

I should be getting a payment of a few BTC early this week, will send to you when I do.

Already, I have sent 150 BTC. If I was going to scam you, I would not have sent anything at all.

You will be paid for these coins, every cent of it. I am a man of my word.

Charlie, where are you, why the delay ?
what is going on ?

Did Charlie not say that you have his telephone number, email address an home address? Wouldn't it be a lot easier to contact him via one of those means instead of bumping this thread daily? If he is not online then he will obviously not see this, but he would almost certainly receive a text message and/or a phone call

And he isn't responding to email, phone, text etc?

This is what I am saying. I dont know why we're keeping this thread going. I've paid him half and continuing to do it. I don't come onto the forums at all anymore.

If you don't hear from my, email me. My address is on CharlieShrem.com

Thanks.

Just a thought, perhaps you should honor what you say to a T and not waiver. I can see why the OP would be frustrated if you say you will pay every week then delay on a week's payment.

If you are a man of your word then you should be consistent in it on everything you say you do to a T.

[tmfp]

Strange thread, but as it's public here's my .0002   

Mr. Shrem has agreed there's a debt, offered a payment schedule and broken it.
He obviously has some stuff going on, not being online for a couple of weeks and never going on the forums, especially when there's a current one with his name and scammer in the same sentence, apart from his legal position.
There seems to be a subtext here as well, I understand that Mr. Shrem is high profile and well regarded by many, but I can't help thinking that Joe Normal would be getting a lot harder time for the way he seems, to me anyway, to be blowing bracek off.
It's no good keep saying everything's cool when it's not and then just walking off.

[5dollarbill]

Just a thought, perhaps you should honor what you say to a T and not waiver. I can see why the OP would be frustrated if you say you will pay every week then delay on a week's payment.

If you are a man of your word then you should be consistent in it on everything you say you do to a T.

According to what has been said above, Charlie agreed to pay bracek as he sold the coins. When bracek made the scam accusation he was wanting to get paid ahead of schedule. Charlie made the mistake of creating precedent of paying ahead of time. 

[smoothie]

Just a thought, perhaps you should honor what you say to a T and not waiver. I can see why the OP would be frustrated if you say you will pay every week then delay on a week's payment.

If you are a man of your word then you should be consistent in it on everything you say you do to a T.

According to what has been said above, Charlie agreed to pay bracek as he sold the coins. When bracek made the scam accusation he was wanting to get paid ahead of schedule. Charlie made the mistake of creating precedent of paying ahead of time. 

I just read that he was going to be making weekly payments then missed one. That would not be keeping to one's word.

[drAGon925]

I read very carefully the whole debate.

Bracek is not pushy, and in my opinion has the right to create pressure.

After half a minute of browsing history of Charlie, I found this post
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=724737.msg8600678#msg8600678

conclusion may be drawn that he managed to sell it, and then he was disappeared...

Talking that he has his email, phone nmb is just diversion, in my opinion.

[bitgeek]

I read very carefully the whole debate.

Bracek is not pushy, and in my opinion has the right to create pressure.

After half a minute of browsing history of Charlie, I found this post
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=724737.msg8600678#msg8600678

conclusion may be drawn that he managed to sell it, and then he was disappeared...

Talking that he has his email, phone nmb is just diversion, in my opinion.

The trust given by the guy who bought the coin confirms it.

First off, Charlie is a VERY TRUSTABLE PERSON. Basically I sent first, and received my coin in immaculate condition. Again, this man can be trusted and the value is beyond anything monetary, will do business again and again in the future in a heartbeat.
Best of luck to you.
Culex

At least he paid back some of the coins to OP.

[bracek]

thank you, guys,
for your support,

the game that is being played on me is becoming obvious

[Blazed]

Well like I said via PM to bracek I have already bought one of his coins from Charlie, and if more are for sale hit me up. I am sure Charlie will pay you back, but I can understand the frustration also. Try to put yourself in Charlie's shoes...house arrest for a long time and finally some freedom...he is probably catching up on life and will deal with this soon. If he was scamming he certainly would not have paid you this much already. Anyways good luck and hope this deal finishes up soon. For what it is worth these coins are immaculate for anyone potentially buying them...my 5BTC Error coin graded MS-66!

[smoothie]

Well like I said via PM to bracek I have already bought one of his coins from Charlie, and if more are for sale hit me up. I am sure Charlie will pay you back, but I can understand the frustration also. Try to put yourself in Charlie's shoes...house arrest for a long time and finally some freedom...he is probably catching up on life and will deal with this soon. If he was scamming he certainly would not have paid you this much already. Anyways good luck and hope this deal finishes up soon. For what it is worth these coins are immaculate for anyone potentially buying them...my 5BTC Error coin graded MS-66!

Not to say Charlie is a scammer (because I have not enough info to make that judgement), but didn't PirateAt40 also pay lots of people over time as a sign of good faith while he ran his ponzi?

MNW also did the same concerning his pirate bet which I am one of the owed winners of the bet which MNW has not paid (now going on 2 years). He paid some out of "good faith".

I guess the question becomes "At what point in time does one become defined as a scammer after delaying to repay a debt?"