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November 04, 2014, 01:34:44 AM
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There are so many things we take for granted that taxes pay for.
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November 04, 2014, 01:50:39 AM
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There are so many things we take for granted that taxes pay for.

Nothing worse than being dependent on systems that are paid for by our tax dollars.... oh wait...the entire US economy.... shizzz we are toast

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November 04, 2014, 01:50:58 AM
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There are so many things we take for granted that taxes pay for.

That is a lie because everything in this country is pre-paid as per HJR 192.

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November 05, 2014, 12:19:09 AM
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Paying taxes give you access to services from your country. When those services are of low quality people should get things in their hands and start looking at how their money were spent. This is not something we can do today because of how shady our political system makeg things, with cryptocurrencies everything would be at advatange of people.

I doubt if the political system will be changed because of crypto-currencies. We get the politicians we deserve.  Smiley
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November 05, 2014, 08:24:17 AM
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why is it ok for a group of people calling themselves the government to force everyone to buy their services?

The reason is simple: you don't understand the law, and particularly the authority of law. For whatever reason, you have not educated yourself on this topic.

It has been repeatedly declared by the courts of this land (America) that an enacting clause is to appear on the face of every law which the people are expected to follow and obey.

Here, I will help you out; if you are in a rush then simply read the last page or the chapter entitled "Our Nonconstitutional Legal System", but do read the entire document if you can:
http://econcurrent.com/devine/files/08-Law/Authority%20of%20Law%20part%202.pdf

Get people to voluntarily agree to follow a set of laws or rules and get rid of all this murky circular logic.  Of course that would take the power away from government and give it to the people so this is why the ruling elites will never propose such a system. 

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November 05, 2014, 06:59:18 PM
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There are so many things we take for granted that taxes pay for.

That is a lie because everything in this country is pre-paid as per HJR 192.
Nothing in life is "pre-paid". When you don't pay your taxes you are sticking someone else with your bills. It might make you feel self reliant to not pay taxes, but in reality it makes you a deadbeat.

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November 05, 2014, 10:41:33 PM
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There are so many things we take for granted that taxes pay for.

That is a lie because everything in this country is pre-paid as per HJR 192.
Nothing in life is "pre-paid". When you don't pay your taxes you are sticking someone else with your bills. It might make you feel self reliant to not pay taxes, but in reality it makes you a deadbeat.

don't blame the victim for refusing to buy the services the government is trying to force him to buy.
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November 06, 2014, 01:05:38 AM
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There are so many things we take for granted that taxes pay for.

That is a lie because everything in this country is pre-paid as per HJR 192.
Nothing in life is "pre-paid". When you don't pay your taxes you are sticking someone else with your bills. It might make you feel self reliant to not pay taxes, but in reality it makes you a deadbeat.

don't blame the victim for refusing to buy the services the government is trying to force him to buy.
The services the government 'forces' you to buy cannot be purchased by a small number of people, meaning that they cannot be provided to a small group of people. Also these services are theoretically necessary for society to continue in a civilized manner 
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November 06, 2014, 01:17:45 AM
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There are so many things we take for granted that taxes pay for.

That is a lie because everything in this country is pre-paid as per HJR 192.
Nothing in life is "pre-paid". When you don't pay your taxes you are sticking someone else with your bills. It might make you feel self reliant to not pay taxes, but in reality it makes you a deadbeat.

don't blame the victim for refusing to buy the services the government is trying to force him to buy.
The services the government 'forces' you to buy cannot be purchased by a small number of people, meaning that they cannot be provided to a small group of people. Also these services are theoretically necessary for society to continue in a civilized manner  

A theory only "proven" by the systematic perpetration of human rights violations being labeled "civilized society", when those same sociopathic violators without a government to provide official, "legal" cover, would be suicidally risking their lives to do the same were anarchy the dominant system instead.

Saying that you don't trust someone because of their behavior is completely valid.
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November 06, 2014, 03:34:01 AM
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A theory only "proven" by the systematic perpetration of human rights violations being labeled "civilized society", when those same sociopathic violators without a government to provide official, "legal" cover, would be suicidally risking their lives to do the same were anarchy the dominant system instead.
What are human rights in your view? What entitles humans to "human rights"?

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November 06, 2014, 11:13:46 AM
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why do people agree to pay taxes?
Because their parents paid taxes.
The greatest tragedy of tradition Smiley

Another possible response from Nineteen Eighty-Four : because they think big brother is watching.

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November 08, 2014, 08:39:35 AM
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why do people agree to pay taxes?
Because their parents paid taxes.
The greatest tragedy of tradition Smiley

Another possible response from Nineteen Eighty-Four : because they think big brother is watching.

All we need is one politician who abolishes income tax. His successors will find it very difficult to reverse policy.  Grin
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November 08, 2014, 01:04:17 PM
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You are forced to pay tax. No one agree to it..
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November 08, 2014, 01:33:27 PM
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I choose to pay taxes and I expect my neighbors to do the same. There are services that I expect to be available in my community, roads need maintained, fires need put out, trash needs to be picked up. If I had the time to do one of these jobs I'd expect to be paid for my work. Since I don't have the time, I expect others to do this work for me, and I have to pay my share so that these folks can feed their families.

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November 08, 2014, 02:58:01 PM
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There are services that I expect to be available in my community, roads need maintained, fires need put out, trash needs to be picked up. If I had the time to do one of these jobs I'd expect to be paid for my work. Since I don't have the time, I expect others to do this work for me, and I have to pay my share so that these folks can feed their families.

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Why do you think that government intervention is necessary for such services ?
Why do you think private business can't be more efficient for that than a bureaucrat ?

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November 08, 2014, 03:04:11 PM
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There are services that I expect to be available in my community, roads need maintained, fires need put out, trash needs to be picked up. If I had the time to do one of these jobs I'd expect to be paid for my work. Since I don't have the time, I expect others to do this work for me, and I have to pay my share so that these folks can feed their families.

TT

Why do you think that government intervention is necessary for such services ?
Why do you think private business can't be more efficient for that than a bureaucrat ?

Because the entire history of mankind?
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November 08, 2014, 03:41:26 PM
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There are services that I expect to be available in my community, roads need maintained, fires need put out, trash needs to be picked up. If I had the time to do one of these jobs I'd expect to be paid for my work. Since I don't have the time, I expect others to do this work for me, and I have to pay my share so that these folks can feed their families.

TT

Why do you think that government intervention is necessary for such services ?
Why do you think private business can't be more efficient for that than a bureaucrat ?

Because the entire history of mankind?

the entire history of mankind had a monarchy, so if we follow your logic we should have a monarch not a government.
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November 08, 2014, 04:09:14 PM
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the entire history of mankind had a monarchy, so if we follow your logic we should have a monarch not a government.

No, Robert Paulson.  Wrong again.  Return to ditch digging pl0x.
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November 08, 2014, 06:03:11 PM
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There are services that I expect to be available in my community, roads need maintained, fires need put out, trash needs to be picked up. If I had the time to do one of these jobs I'd expect to be paid for my work. Since I don't have the time, I expect others to do this work for me, and I have to pay my share so that these folks can feed their families.

TT

Why do you think that government intervention is necessary for such services ?
Why do you think private business can't be more efficient for that than a bureaucrat ?

Because the entire history of mankind?

the entire history of mankind had a monarchy, so if we follow your logic we should have a monarch not a government.

Humans are prone to corruption when they have power. Now what's worse, the power that the state gives to the goverments, or the power that the monetary elites could have in a free market without regulations? thats the question,.
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November 08, 2014, 06:08:22 PM
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There are services that I expect to be available in my community, roads need maintained, fires need put out, trash needs to be picked up. If I had the time to do one of these jobs I'd expect to be paid for my work. Since I don't have the time, I expect others to do this work for me, and I have to pay my share so that these folks can feed their families.

TT

Why do you think that government intervention is necessary for such services ?
Why do you think private business can't be more efficient for that than a bureaucrat ?
There are some services that the government must realistically provide as either the services are not needed often enough by individuals (like fire protection) or that individuals cannot realistically purchase individually (like national defense).

There are many services that the government provides that are contracted to private companies (like road construction)
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