why do people agree to pay taxes?

[botany]

0 taxes always end up in unciviliced shitholes, same as way too many taxes.

Not always. Some of the oil rich countries in the Middle East have no personal taxes.
Some of them are great places to live and earn.

[picolo]

0 taxes always end up in unciviliced shitholes, same as way too many taxes.

Not always. Some of the oil rich countries in the Middle East have no personal taxes.
Some of them are great places to live and earn.

They can be good but they are a desert and it's hot

0 taxes always end up in unciviliced shitholes, same as way too many taxes.

If you have low taxes and a civil society with moral and wealth, people should be very happy. It used to be like that or close to it in the USA.

[Atdhe]

0 taxes always end up in unciviliced shitholes, same as way too many taxes.

Not always. Some of the oil rich countries in the Middle East have no personal taxes.
Some of them are great places to live and earn.

1. oil and financial heavens are paradise
2. oil states may not have high taxes, but they have certainly high licence fees..which is another name for tax; same is that there are few countries, like Czech republic, that has quite low taxes, I think 19%, but there is mandatory expense for social security, pensions and health... those expenses are not called taxes, but since nobody can avoid them, it is taxes

Simply put "taxes" are much wider term than what is called taxes by states.

[exoton]

0 taxes always end up in unciviliced shitholes, same as way too many taxes.

Not always. Some of the oil rich countries in the Middle East have no personal taxes.
Some of them are great places to live and earn.

This is only because the country has assets that they can and do sell to pay for the expenses related to running the country and to provide the kinds of services that government provides to it's citizens.

There are few countries that are able to do this, and it is not realistic for any country to be able to do this infinitely as any asset is limited in quantity 

[picolo]

0 taxes always end up in unciviliced shitholes, same as way too many taxes.

Not always. Some of the oil rich countries in the Middle East have no personal taxes.
Some of them are great places to live and earn.

This is only because the country has assets that they can and do sell to pay for the expenses related to running the country and to provide the kinds of services that government provides to it's citizens.

There are few countries that are able to do this, and it is not realistic for any country to be able to do this infinitely as any asset is limited in quantity 

Governments don't provide services to citizens like companies do. The state takes away money by force then use it for what they like and you are not treated as a client and you don't have the choice not to pay for the "services".

[exoton]

0 taxes always end up in unciviliced shitholes, same as way too many taxes.

Not always. Some of the oil rich countries in the Middle East have no personal taxes.
Some of them are great places to live and earn.

This is only because the country has assets that they can and do sell to pay for the expenses related to running the country and to provide the kinds of services that government provides to it's citizens.

There are few countries that are able to do this, and it is not realistic for any country to be able to do this infinitely as any asset is limited in quantity 

Governments don't provide services to citizens like companies do. The state takes away money by force then use it for what they like and you are not treated as a client and you don't have the choice not to pay for the "services".

You are correct to say that citizens do not have any choice to pay for the services the government provides but the government does provide services that are needed and are beneficial to their citizens. A prime example of this is national security, if the government did not provide national security then the counrty would be vulnerable to invasion, and would likely be attacked/taken over by another country who would probably take away more of the invaded citizens' property/money

[Agestorzrxx]

Because of government force people pay taxes.

[bitkilo]

I think if you and your mates grab guns and tell the government that your no longer paying any tax and to get fucked they will probably call it treason or similar and shoot you, or maybe just throw you in jail, either way not a good idea.

[ndnh]

why is it ok for a group of people calling themselves the government to force everyone to buy their services?
if enough armed people refused to pay and told the government to go fuck itself there is nothing they could do.

And what? The armed forces will control the country, set up a government and impose taxes?

Taxes, are supposed to be a good thing as a whole. I mean when it is not excessively done. Social unrest is bad for everyone.

[picolo]

0 taxes always end up in unciviliced shitholes, same as way too many taxes.

Not always. Some of the oil rich countries in the Middle East have no personal taxes.
Some of them are great places to live and earn.

This is only because the country has assets that they can and do sell to pay for the expenses related to running the country and to provide the kinds of services that government provides to it's citizens.

There are few countries that are able to do this, and it is not realistic for any country to be able to do this infinitely as any asset is limited in quantity 

Governments don't provide services to citizens like companies do. The state takes away money by force then use it for what they like and you are not treated as a client and you don't have the choice not to pay for the "services".

You are correct to say that citizens do not have any choice to pay for the services the government provides but the government does provide services that are needed and are beneficial to their citizens. A prime example of this is national security, if the government did not provide national security then the counrty would be vulnerable to invasion, and would likely be attacked/taken over by another country who would probably take away more of the invaded citizens' property/money

If there were no big states you wouldn't need protection against big states armies but you could secure the USA for 10% of what is spent right now. You don't need to invade 2 countries a year to protect yourself.

Other services that the government take care of end up costing twice as much as if people were paying for it due to the cost of collecting the taxes, the waste on administration, the lack of innovation and competition.

[teukon]

... if the government did not provide national security then the counrty would be vulnerable to invasion,...

Not necessarily.  One could imagine a collection of competing defense contractors interacting with insurance companies to provide very efficient defense services to a significant number of high-profile clients.  There would of course be some free-riding but it's far from clear that the situation is unworkable and, indeed, the inefficiency attributed to free-riders may turn out to be far less potent than the inefficiencies inherent to state-managed national security.

[NotLambchop]

... if the government did not provide national security then the counrty would be vulnerable to invasion,...

Not necessarily.  One could imagine a collection of competing defense contractors interacting with insurance companies to provide very efficient defense services to a significant number of high-profile clients...

Multiple competing armies bidding for defence contracts.  You guys eat a lot of wall candy when you were little?

[picolo]

... if the government did not provide national security then the counrty would be vulnerable to invasion,...

Not necessarily.  One could imagine a collection of competing defense contractors interacting with insurance companies to provide very efficient defense services to a significant number of high-profile clients...

Multiple competing armies bidding for defence contracts.  You guys eat a lot of wall candy when you were little?

The current system is killing so many people that most other system based of free choice should be better.

[NotLambchop]

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The current system is killing so many people that most other system based of free choice should be better.

"The current system is killing so many people" compared to what?  Where do you get this nonsense?

[picolo]

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The current system is killing so many people that most other system based of free choice should be better.

"The current system is killing so many people" compared to what?  Where do you get this nonsense?

The current system of fiat currencies, big government and big armies induce a lot of murders and suffering. period. I am pointing out that other systems should not be as harmful if they involve free choice, free market and less coercion.

[NotLambchop]

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The current system is killing so many people that most other system based of free choice should be better.

"The current system is killing so many people" compared to what?  Where do you get this nonsense?

The current system of fiat currencies, big government and big armies induce a lot of murders and suffering. period. I am pointing out that other systems should not be as harmful if they involve free choice, free market and less coercion.

D00d, "a lot" is a relative term.  A lot of people die on the operating table, doesn't mean that fewer would die if doctors didn't exist.
I know you like to think that your reduced circumstances are not your fault, that eVol forces have conspired to keep you down, but it just ain't true, bro.  You're simply not very good at living.
Get good & stop acting like a petulant child.

[youngmike]

I get welfare checks from taxpayers and use also my offshore money so I like people paying me 

[Nicolas Dorier]

... if the government did not provide national security then the counrty would be vulnerable to invasion,...

Not necessarily.  One could imagine a collection of competing defense contractors interacting with insurance companies to provide very efficient defense services to a significant number of high-profile clients...

Multiple competing armies bidding for defence contracts.  You guys eat a lot of wall candy when you were little?

What an argument man, I am speechless.
Here is why it can work https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTYkdEU_B4o

[Possum577]

Because of government force people pay taxes.

The people decide what the government forces them to do...so the people pay takes because they've all agreed they want to pay taxes to pay for collective services.

[TheButterZone]

Because of government force people pay taxes.

The people decide what the government forces them to do...so the people pay takes because they've all agreed they want to pay taxes to pay for collective services.

The government who counts the votes, forces people to believe that the people decided in favor of infinite amounts of human rights violations, innocent bloodshed, and other tyranny.