why do people agree to pay taxes?

[teukon]

The people decide what the government forces them to do...so the people pay takes because they've all agreed they want to pay taxes to pay for collective services.

(emphasis mine)

Even if we were using a perfect, corruption-free, direct democracy, all we could say is that taxes are taken because the majority of people want taxes to be taken.

[NotLambchop]

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Even if we were using a perfect, corruption-free, direct democracy, all we could say is that taxes are taken because the majority of people want taxes to be taken.

Wait, are you saying that not everyone gets to pay exactly what he wants?  And it's like that throughout the whole world?!
How long will these Fascists keep extorting our money in this Lizard Jew HELL?
(emphasis mine)

[picolo]

The people decide what the government forces them to do...so the people pay takes because they've all agreed they want to pay taxes to pay for collective services.

(emphasis mine)

Even if we were using a perfect, corruption-free, direct democracy, all we could say is that taxes are taken because the majority of people want taxes to be taken.

Or the minority that rule want it taken.

[panju1]

Because of government force people pay taxes.

The people decide what the government forces them to do...so the people pay takes because they've all agreed they want to pay taxes to pay for collective services.

The government who counts the votes, forces people to believe that the people decided in favor of infinite amounts of human rights violations, innocent bloodshed, and other tyranny.

This so called tyranny is favourable to the alternatives.
If we don't have an elected government, we would have the rule of the jungle. Anarchy can be terrible.

[valvalis]

We need government
world without government = world without rule
if there are no rule, can you imagine how the world is going?

[TheButterZone]

Because of government force people pay taxes.

The people decide what the government forces them to do...so the people pay takes because they've all agreed they want to pay taxes to pay for collective services.

The government who counts the votes, forces people to believe that the people decided in favor of infinite amounts of human rights violations, innocent bloodshed, and other tyranny.

This so called tyranny is favourable to the alternatives.
If we don't have an elected government, we would have the rule of the jungle. Anarchy can be terrible.

We need government
world without government = world without rule
if there are no rule, can you imagine how the world is going?

"Anarchy and statism are incompatible, which explains why statists must mislead people by defining anarchy as chaos and disorder."
-Darrell Anderson

"If we look at the record of mass murder, exploitation, and tyranny levied on society by governments over the ages, we need not be loath to abandon the Leviathan State and … try freedom."
-Murray N. Rothbard

"If you need government to justify and immunize infinite amounts of human rights violations and innocent bloodshed, then we need anarchy to stop you."
-Me

[picolo]

We need government
world without government = world without rule
if there are no rule, can you imagine how the world is going?

You can have rules without having a government. What we have now is a huge government, there is a lot of space to decrease the size of it.

[Nicolas Dorier]

Paying Taxes is the reason we are getting Health services, Law enforcement, Clean streets and parks, Great Infrastructure.

Government need money to provide us a better place to live that's why they force us to pay taxes.

Agreed

The private market would provide exactly the same services for cheaper and more variety due to competition and consumer choice for the best fit for his need.

world without government = world without rule

Primitive view of anarchism. Because it is simply not true.
Again https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTYkdEU_B4o
A living counter example is why darknet markets are thriving and expanding when there is no central authority "protecting" anyone ?

Government need money to provide us a better place to live that's why they force us to pay taxes.

To that, they failed. Or it would have never crossed my mind to give one read any anarcho capitalism book in my life.
They force me to pay taxes for services I don't want, without giving a damn about my safety. (In france anyway, good if you are not in a country of this kind)

Even if I am convinced that free market would do a better job than bureaucrats only caring about their job safety, I would not really care paying taxes if I liked the services I got for it.

[NotLambchop]

Paying Taxes is the reason we are getting Health services, Law enforcement, Clean streets and parks, Great Infrastructure.

Government need money to provide us a better place to live that's why they force us to pay taxes.

Agreed

The private market would provide exactly the same services for cheaper and more variety due to competition and consumer choice for the best fit for his need.

Last time my grandma went shopping for an army, she wound up returning it.

world without government = world without rule

Primitive view of anarchism. Because it is simply not true.
Again https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTYkdEU_B4o
A living counter example is why darknet markets are thriving and expanding when there is no central authority "protecting" anyone ?

Darknet markets are neither thriving nor expanding.  Asserting that they are implies having financial data, which, AFAIK, said markets do not provide.

Government need money to provide us a better place to live that's why they force us to pay taxes.

To that, they failed. Or it would have never crossed my mind to give one read any anarcho capitalism book in my life.

It would certainly cross your mind if you were an angsty teen or a batshit-crazy senile old coot.  Why not?

They force me to pay taxes for services I don't want, without giving a damn about my safety. (In france anyway, good if you are not in a country of this kind)

Then GTFO, go live under the sea & stop whining.

Even if I am convinced that free market would do a better job than bureaucrats only caring about their job safety, I would not really care paying taxes if I liked the services I got for it.

TL;DR:  Nothing succeeds like success.  There has not been a successful anarchistic society which lasted longer than a DMT trip.  The entire surface of this planet belongs to jackbooted statists.

Deal with it.

[Nicolas Dorier]

It would certainly cross your mind if you were an angsty teen or a batshit-crazy senile old coot.  Why not?

Bring arguments instead of sarcasm. If one can make me believe in statism once again by using reason and not dogma, I would be glad to know the arguments.

Then GTFO, go live under the sea & stop whining.

Good advice, which I already took. Have you read Atlas Shrugged ? Atlantis exists. (and not only in the dnm)

TL;DR:  Nothing succeeds like success.  There has not been a successful anarchistic society which lasted longer than a DMT trip.  The entire surface of this planet belongs to jackbooted statists.

In Atlas Shrugged, during his speech, Francisco said :
Money is so noble a medium that is does not compete with guns and it does not make terms with brutality.

Which is why we get statist and taxes instead of free market. But where force can't be used, free market will stay.

Darknet markets are neither thriving nor expanding.  Asserting that they are implies having financial data, which, AFAIK, said markets do not provide.

Very interesting, specially when such financial both data and metrics are artificially created by our statists to support their policy and not the other way around. Say, should the GDP need to include prostitution ? (or other interesting stories with greece http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2009/nov/16/greece-eu-eurostat-statistics-fudge)

What you can see, is that before the SR got closed there were more or less one market. Now they are dozens. Businesses flourishes where money can be made, and it shows no sign of slowing down.

But I admit, interesting metrics can be taken objectively. Should be interesting to count how much products are being sold each days on all these markets, a simple web crawler could do that, and would show the trend.

[NotLambchop]

Bro, I'll respond with logical arguments once you stop posting anarcap slogans and cliches.
And you're a randian on top of all the other fail?  Once you graduate to Go, Dog, Go!, we can talk some more
In the mean time,

[Kevin77]

Most people don't actually agree to pay taxes. But as long as you live in a country that makes you pay them...

Work directly for goods, don't use money at all and you don't have to pay takes. Will you do that? I don't think so.

[picolo]

Most people don't actually agree to pay taxes. But as long as you live in a country that makes you pay them...

Work directly for goods, don't use money at all and you don't have to pay takes. Will you do that? I don't think so.

If you work for money without being registered then you buy directly without going to a shop, you will not pay direct taxes.

[Kevin77]

Most people don't actually agree to pay taxes. But as long as you live in a country that makes you pay them...

Work directly for goods, don't use money at all and you don't have to pay takes. Will you do that? I don't think so.

If you work for money without being registered then you buy directly without going to a shop, you will not pay direct taxes.

Maybe I am wrong, but while what I suggested is legal, what you suggested is tax evasion, which is punished.

[NotLambchop]

You're wrong.
If you are paid in goods and services, you owe tax on the fair market value of those goods & services. 
I'm surprised this still comes up, Google is your friend.

[picolo]

You're wrong.
If you are paid in goods and services, you owe tax on the fair market value of those goods & services. 
I'm surprised this still comes up, Google is your friend.

It would be illegal to do what I wrote in the last post, I was just saying some people do that not to pay revenue taxes

[STT]

why is it ok for a group of people calling themselves the government to force everyone to buy their services?
if enough armed people refused to pay and told the government to go fuck itself there is nothing they could do.

That would be the creation of a new country most likely.   People live together en masse because its efficient to do so and actually costs less then your stand alone proposal; even with taxes.    Yet USA and many other places have excessive taxes and worse still, unrestrained interference by government in normal trade and activities of its citizens.  
This is when taxes becomes a problem, not because it was always invalid but when it fails the majority in any purpose and undermines society.   Why do people choose to do so, I think society is naturally inclined to continue with recognised practise and even though its in downward spiral we follow it down till its overwhelmingly uncomfortable and people depart, take painful measures, etc

[scarsbergholden]

You're wrong.
If you are paid in goods and services, you owe tax on the fair market value of those goods & services. 
I'm surprised this still comes up, Google is your friend.

It would be illegal to do what I wrote in the last post, I was just saying some people do that not to pay revenue taxes

There are very few taxes on a company's revenue (the only tax on revenue is via the ACA on medical devices). The rest of the taxes in the US are based on either income or asset levels.

There is also sales tax but this is not a revenue tax, it is a consumption tax

[picolo]

You're wrong.
If you are paid in goods and services, you owe tax on the fair market value of those goods & services. 
I'm surprised this still comes up, Google is your friend.

It would be illegal to do what I wrote in the last post, I was just saying some people do that not to pay revenue taxes

There are very few taxes on a company's revenue (the only tax on revenue is via the ACA on medical devices). The rest of the taxes in the US are based on either income or asset levels.

There is also sales tax but this is not a revenue tax, it is a consumption tax

I was saying that if you work without being registered you don't pay any taxes on your revenue

[Nicolas Dorier]

Bro, I'll respond with logical arguments once you stop posting anarcap slogans and cliches.
And you're a randian on top of all the other fail?  Once you graduate to Go, Dog, Go!, we can talk some more Smiley
In the mean time,

You really can't find a better argument than an "-ism" or "-ian" attack ? Come on, man you can do better.
There are some statists on this forum that sometimes present arguments worth debating and that at least made me do some research. (twiifm  )

But you are just boring

Come on give me some statist author, books, video that made you vibrate and want to pay your taxes. Something that can at least make me see a government of any kind with a better light whatever.

My point is that there is no government services that could not be better served by the private sector.
From road, to school, to police.
I gave you the an argument police (with the youtube link the argument is Rothbard's one), now explain me why it would not work, that's all.

Now I don't agree with the system. And I don't have to play with their rules. A government is less agile than an individual, an individual you can always adapt to their arbitrary rules, and finding ways to protect money from taxes legally. I don't want to debate whether it is good or bad, since it is not worth debating two different morality.

That being said, explain me why a private police would not work and make the debate progress.