BitBay | Decentralized Marketplace | Unmoderated Thread

[altcoinUK]

Just for the records, the post that was deleted from the official thread.

LOL

Bobsurplus aka @EMC2Whale   https://twitter.com/EMC2Whale aka @CryptoGekko https://twitter.com/CryptoGekko fooled your asses once again.

This guy and his multiple accounts on twitter and numerous on Bitcointalk is literally the new @theblonde82. Every coin this guy calls, you better dump ASAP or get dumped on.

You learn something new everyday right? Let this be your hard lesson for the day.   [/size\

pm me for more Bobsurplus secrets  

In case if these fucking scammers delete your post again, post it to the unmoderated thread at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=857457.0

These guys are getting so desperate with this scam that started to dump the thing at low 100 satoshies, in the meantime the secondary nicks plus a few idiots interpret this as "the coins bought by smart hands". A typical desperate scam operation.

[altcoinUK]

LoL

It seems the dump is urgent for Bob & Co., Bob and the great Bitbay team (you know Nicos from Russia who loves dog and Holly from Taiwan who has a family, but their professional profile can't be revealed as an alleged NDA in place) dump the thing at 110 satoshies.

Epic scam indeed - just as we said it will be.

[altcoinUK]

The scam is epic and the scammers are entered into panic mode, they delete all posts like this:

This is hilarious. You think Bobsurplus will destroy this coin?

Bobsurplus bought in ICO price. If he bought lower then devs are scamers.

How he'll destroy coin? Selling coins to rebuy lower? Market is uncentralised, all of you can sell to buy lower.

I saw this many times: price is falling and ppl see wrong reason of dropping...

They say "whales destroyed our coin" LOL

But the real problem is:

-too expensive ICO

-too much supply

-too low demand

-no buywall support from ICOs funds

-weak community with crypto stockholm syndrome ("price is not important"; treating all good criticism as a fud/sock puppets of pump group etc. classic blind bagholding)

Oh dear ...are you really that stupid ... or you must be joking. Just because Bob says that he bought it as an "independent" investors you believe that? You beleive it regardless, that Bob's buddy the marketing guy was pushing the ICO in 24/7?

Bob pushed this ICO to 3000 BTC with the Bitbay team to create volume and attract naive and legit investors into the ICO, and then Bob gets the BTCs from Bter justlike the Bitbay team gets who bought into their own ICO, and then he and the Bitbay team can sell the coins at any price, even selling at 20  satoshies is a pure profit for them.

You really don't understand the most basic and obvious scam?

[barabbas]

The scam is epic and the scammers are entered into panic mode, they delete all posts like this:

The scam is not epic at all. It is a total failure, as a matter of fact and when all is said and done and BTER is paid their commission, they will probably be in the hole after having paid Zimbeck his 100BTC and 20 million BAY (which he won't be able to cash for anything of significance. I am going to guess that no more than 300BTC -and quite probably much less- was sole between 250-300 sat. And they have had a few expenses. Plus BTER charges commission whether they are in on the back end deal or not, so the "chinese" guy is in for a very rude awakening when this goes to 25 sat well before Christmas and declared technically dead before the new year.

Not to mention that Zimbeck still has to come up with some semblance of a marketplace before BTER releases the final 33%.

So no, as far as scams go, even the guys at XBOT got close to 100 BTC clean. This guys will more than  probably end in the red.

As for Bobsurplus, I don't believe he is in on this one... yet. Now he's trying to get people to bet on a price and, supposedly, he will bet on a higher price than anyone. It could be interested because this will be another scam, quite a different one... and a very risky one... unless the "chinese" fully participates, because while Bob buy massively, the "chinese" will be dumping like mad (unless he is in on it). If "he" is in on it -most likely- it sounds like a master stroke as scams go because a lot of people will believe in Bob pump -with good reason, for it will be real- and would want to participate on the run up.

Now, if that materializes, it is going to be quite epic with both the "chinese" and Bob dumping on the people (after collecting the bets, of course). Macchiavelian scheme and scam, indeed. Needless to say, I'll be watching every step of the way.

[nextgencoin]

What are you guys going to do when this project turns out to be legit?

[TinEye]

What are you guys going to do when this project turns out to be legit?

Buy them cheap. Instead of wasting money on the overpriced ICO I can have 5-10 times the number by buying at a later time.

[TinEye]

I think in a few months the coin will be top 5.

Fuck off naked Grandpa, are you crazy? That's not the spirit this operation want from you. The coin will be top 1, worst case scenario top 2. And of course it will take on Ebay and revolutionize e-commerce. Have you seen their team at all? They have on the team Nicos from Russia who loves dog and Holly from Taiwan who has a family. Wow. The potential is endless with Nicos (who loves dogs) and Holly.

asking if someone is crazy and then suggesting that because someone loves dogs that is an indication towards crypto currency potential , it is pretty self evident , with your massive lack of any actual evidence. Weird how all these people "speaking the truth" have no evidence of this so called obvious "truth"

You are literally judging someones ability in crypto because they love dogs! do you know how fucking retarded that is? seriously wtf

You might very well be right , it might be a scam, If there is evidence to suggest so , not just someones own personal "truth" then i would believe you. but no one has been able to provide any proof....weird how people are convinced of something and yet unable to actually prove it

But suggesting because someone has a family and another person loves dogs that, that has any relevance to crypto currency is truly warped and delusional .

You need one of these

[altcoinUK]

What are you guys going to do when this project turns out to be legit?

While I agree with Barabbas that the decentralized marketplace is a dead proposition, I don't question the tech and I have no doubt Zimbeck is going to release something, but the released software does not make the project legit. It's a fact that the majority of the ICO was bought by the Bitbay team and that makes this project not legit.

[Bobfuckedus]

Seems they moved on to next scam bitbay to lure suckernoobs with their boiler room scam activity

Who moved? Why do you think so?

Bobsurplus moved to bitbay. they buy and pump their own icos and dump on noobs

nobody knows the real bitbay dev because it is bobsurplus and his pump team scamming noobs again

they already bought all their own coins now the only real pump now is getting more people to give them btc in their ico

then it is to pump the coin to put worth to they coins they has got for free

they left bittrex because there is no more money to scam there now time to empty out bter

[goosoodude]

What are you guys going to do when this project turns out to be legit?

While I agree with Barabbas that the decentralized marketplace is a dead proposition, I don't question the tech and I have no doubt Zimbeck is going to release something, but the released software does not make the project legit. It's a fact that the majority of the ICO was bought by the Bitbay team and that makes this project not legit.

Will it be open source? That will make it very interesting.

[altcoinUK]

The scam is epic and the scammers are entered into panic mode, they delete all posts like this:

The scam is not epic at all. It is a total failure, as a matter of fact and when all is said and done and BTER is paid their commission, they will probably be in the hole after having paid Zimbeck his 100BTC and 20 million BAY (which he won't be able to cash for anything of significance. I am going to guess that no more than 300BTC -and quite probably much less- was sole between 250-300 sat. And they have had a few expenses. Plus BTER charges commission whether they are in on the back end deal or not, so the "chinese" guy is in for a very rude awakening when this goes to 25 sat well before Christmas and declared technically dead before the new year.

Not to mention that Zimbeck still has to come up with some semblance of a marketplace before BTER releases the final 33%.

So no, as far as scams go, even the guys at XBOT got close to 100 BTC clean. This guys will more than  probably end in the red.

As for Bobsurplus, I don't believe he is in on this one... yet. Now he's trying to get people to bet on a price and, supposedly, he will bet on a higher price than anyone. It could be interested because this will be another scam, quite a different one... and a very risky one... unless the "chinese" fully participates, because while Bob buy massively, the "chinese" will be dumping like mad (unless he is in on it). If "he" is in on it -most likely- it sounds like a master stroke as scams go because a lot of people will believe in Bob pump -with good reason, for it will be real- and would want to participate on the run up.

Now, if that materializes, it is going to be quite epic with both the "chinese" and Bob dumping on the people (after collecting the bets, of course). Macchiavelian scheme and scam, indeed. Needless to say, I'll be watching every step of the way.

I think we have an issue here :-)))  Since I have a very different figure from David, David Zimbeck was either not truthful with you or me. I have a lot higher payment figure than the 100 BTC you mentioned. It would be great to get clarification from David how much he received for "licensing" and developing the software. I never asked him how much here received, you never asked him as well, but since here revealed it and the figures are different it would be great to get some transparent clarification from him - mainly to establish his trustworthiness.

I would disagree on Bob. Once he advertise that he is buying, up to this date never happened that he buys - when he says he buys in fact he is dumping already. I don't see why this natural method of a P&D operator would be different with Bitbay.

[nextgencoin]

What are you guys going to do when this project turns out to be legit?

Buy them cheap. Instead of wasting money on the overpriced ICO I can have 5-10 times the number by buying at a later time.

That's not logical and also shows you are out to lower the price rather that legitimately call this out as a scam. The only correct answer would be its a scam.

How can it be overpriced if the project is legit and therefore is gunning to be a decentralised ebay? That makes the marketcap of 3,000btc pocket change compared to the potential a semi popular decentralised trading site is worth. Surely we could be talking billions if popular.

I guess you could say you've shown your hand if we were playing poker.

[altcoinUK]

Some posts that were deleted by the scammers.
 

Or they could use those funds to develop the functions that really give this coin it's value. In a way a floor set by them essentially means they'd put their business on sale. Long term investors would never stand for a company doing that in real life, so why are people expecting such a thing for a coin under development?

Who the fuck are you with this newbie nick that you defend and justify all steps/non-steps of these scammmers 24/7 in the last few days?

We understand the nature of the scam that an army of newbie accounts must support the operation, and in this thread the organizers of this money party certainly mobilize the number of secondary, third and newbie accounts that we have never seen before, but take it easy man, your desperation to support these scammers is to obvious here.

 

the problem is that at least 5-6 names in this thread belong to one or more pure scammers. These guys coordinate the conversation with the purpose of getting more people buying into their dumps.

You are too conservative with the 5-6 names estimations. At least 50% of the accounts that post here to support this desperate scam are the secondary, third and newbie nicks of the scammers.

As I can read above, finally there are rational people point out that only the Bitbay team who bought into their own ICO has the incentive to dump at 100 satoshies, and the newbie nicks just try to trick people into this obvious scam.

More in the unmoderated thread at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=857457.0

AltcoinUK's position makes absolutely sense.
Also, Zimbeck's puts his reputation completely at risk. This "I am only a contractor" shit makes me totally laugh. A person of his gage would definitely want to know who he is working for unless he is involved in that scam himself. Of course, in the internet contracting pretty often works anonymously. But if you have a serious reputation overall, you would still be very careful before accepting a role as a developer only for highly shady people.
If this goes to zero, I'll spread the word about Mr. Zimbeck in a way very different from what I spread about him in the past.

That's a very good point. We discussing it at the unmoderated thread at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=857457.msg9775086#msg9775086

David by default configuration is not a bad guy, but in this case - as you pointed it out correctly - he sold himself out to a very shady group of people. Moreover, the main issue with David is, that he is unwilling to make clear publicly that he is just a contractor here and therefore this operation is in the hand of the scammers who presented a laughable team that will take on eBay, you know Nicos from Russia who loves dog and Holly from Taiwan who has a family (as this is the professional bio of the Bitbay team).

Most of the legit investors invested here because of David, however David's role is not what the legit investors anticipated here, and David must be clear about this.

[altcoinUK]

What are you guys going to do when this project turns out to be legit?

Buy them cheap. Instead of wasting money on the overpriced ICO I can have 5-10 times the number by buying at a later time.

That's not logical and also shows you are out to lower the price rather that legitimately call this out as a scam. The only correct answer would be its a scam.

How can it be overpriced if the project is legit and therefore is gunning to be a decentralised ebay? That makes the marketcap of 3,000btc pocket change compared to the potential a semi popular decentralised trading site is worth. Surely we could be talking billions if popular.

I guess you could say you've shown your hand if we were playing poker.

Personally, I am not "out for a lower price" and I do not have any agendas. I am just pointing out on an Internet forum that is by definition here to discuss digital currency matters that the Bitbay operation is a scam. I am sure you would agree, that the only logical explanation for the scale of dump is that only the Bitbay team who bought their own ICO has the incentive to dump at 1/3rd of the ICO price.

[dzimbeck]

The scam is epic and the scammers are entered into panic mode, they delete all posts like this:

The scam is not epic at all. It is a total failure, as a matter of fact and when all is said and done and BTER is paid their commission, they will probably be in the hole after having paid Zimbeck his 100BTC and 20 million BAY (which he won't be able to cash for anything of significance. I am going to guess that no more than 300BTC -and quite probably much less- was sole between 250-300 sat. And they have had a few expenses. Plus BTER charges commission whether they are in on the back end deal or not, so the "chinese" guy is in for a very rude awakening when this goes to 25 sat well before Christmas and declared technically dead before the new year.

Not to mention that Zimbeck still has to come up with some semblance of a marketplace before BTER releases the final 33%.

So no, as far as scams go, even the guys at XBOT got close to 100 BTC clean. This guys will more than  probably end in the red.

As for Bobsurplus, I don't believe he is in on this one... yet. Now he's trying to get people to bet on a price and, supposedly, he will bet on a higher price than anyone. It could be interested because this will be another scam, quite a different one... and a very risky one... unless the "chinese" fully participates, because while Bob buy massively, the "chinese" will be dumping like mad (unless he is in on it). If "he" is in on it -most likely- it sounds like a master stroke as scams go because a lot of people will believe in Bob pump -with good reason, for it will be real- and would want to participate on the run up.

Now, if that materializes, it is going to be quite epic with both the "chinese" and Bob dumping on the people (after collecting the bets, of course). Macchiavelian scheme and scam, indeed. Needless to say, I'll be watching every step of the way.

I think we have an issue here :-)))  Since I have a very different figure from David, David Zimbeck was either not truthful with you or me. I have a lot higher payment figure than the 100 BTC you mentioned. It would be great to get clarification from David how much he received for "licensing" and developing the software. I never asked him how much here received, you never asked him as well, but since here revealed it and the figures are different it would be great to get some transparent clarification from him - mainly to establish his trustworthiness.

I would disagree on Bob. Once he advertise that he is buying, up to this date never happened that he buys - when he says he buys in fact he is dumping already. I don't see why this natural method of a P&D operator would be different with Bitbay.

Sure i can clarify this, the original offer for the license was 100 BTC and that was increased during the ico there was an extra 91 which a portion of that was supposed to go towards developing which i was fine with some of it was moved into a joint dev fund only 20 btc. They were supposed to set up a 5 of 5 multisig for that but they never did. I still have the difference set aside on my end.

[Bobfuckedus]

I posted this in the moderated BAY thread and for some strange reason it was deleted. I will just leave it here instead.

All of the positive posts about BAY in this thread come from the few remaining hopeful members of our pump and dump group that were promised BAY was going to go to the moon a month ago. Most of the bitcoin from the ICO went directly in to bob's pocket. He does not care what happens to the rest of us, he is already rolling in profit. How do you guys in our group (you know who you are) plan to get out of this coin at even break even now? It is quite obvious that there is no outside interest in this coin, all of the volume has come from within our group itself. The legitimate investors have gotten wise to these scams, they are not going to be here to pump up the price for you and take the bags out of your hands this time. It's funny, every time bob mentions there might be a pump, you guys get a massive hard on for bay, the thread starts getting bumped frequently, the buys pick up in anticipation for the pump, then what happens? You get dumped right in to, again and again from bob himself, because you are fools that keep believing every word that he says. You guys are a joke. If you still believe his bullshit, you deserve to lose your coins. I am extremely happy that I stayed the fuck out of this one. I came very close to going all in with what I earned from previous pumps with this group, good thing I didn't get blinded by greed like the rest of you.

[Mig-23]

how to deal with
is only We just have to prove together which and who's the true
time will tell
so for the king of fuder @altcoin uk
we will see together,
no need to talk anymore
I'm going to challenge of you personally if you gentlemen

[illodin]

I posted this in the moderated BAY thread and for some strange reason it was deleted. I will just leave it here instead.

All of the positive posts about BAY in this thread come from the few remaining hopeful members of our pump and dump group that were promised BAY was going to go to the moon a month ago. Most of the bitcoin from the ICO went directly in to bob's pocket. He does not care what happens to the rest of us, he is already rolling in profit. How do you guys in our group (you know who you are) plan to get out of this coin at even break even now? It is quite obvious that there is no outside interest in this coin, all of the volume has come from within our group itself. The legitimate investors have gotten wise to these scams, they are not going to be here to pump up the price for you and take the bags out of your hands this time. It's funny, every time bob mentions there might be a pump, you guys get a massive hard on for bay, the thread starts getting bumped frequently, the buys pick up in anticipation for the pump, then what happens? You get dumped right in to, again and again from bob himself, because you are fools that keep believing every word that he says. You guys are a joke. If you still believe his bullshit, you deserve to lose your coins. I am extremely happy that I stayed the fuck out of this one. I came very close to going all in with what I earned from previous pumps with this group, good thing I didn't get blinded by greed like the rest of you.

Are you saying Bob finally scammed his group as well?

[JohnTheSalch]

I posted this in the moderated BAY thread and for some strange reason it was deleted. I will just leave it here instead.

All of the positive posts about BAY in this thread come from the few remaining hopeful members of our pump and dump group that were promised BAY was going to go to the moon a month ago. Most of the bitcoin from the ICO went directly in to bob's pocket. He does not care what happens to the rest of us, he is already rolling in profit. How do you guys in our group (you know who you are) plan to get out of this coin at even break even now? It is quite obvious that there is no outside interest in this coin, all of the volume has come from within our group itself. The legitimate investors have gotten wise to these scams, they are not going to be here to pump up the price for you and take the bags out of your hands this time. It's funny, every time bob mentions there might be a pump, you guys get a massive hard on for bay, the thread starts getting bumped frequently, the buys pick up in anticipation for the pump, then what happens? You get dumped right in to, again and again from bob himself, because you are fools that keep believing every word that he says. You guys are a joke. If you still believe his bullshit, you deserve to lose your coins. I am extremely happy that I stayed the fuck out of this one. I came very close to going all in with what I earned from previous pumps with this group, good thing I didn't get blinded by greed like the rest of you.

Thanks for the heads up. I was planning on buying some at 10 satoshi but now even that seems expensive. Will now proceed to cancel my bids.

[Mig-23]

What are you guys going to do when this project turns out to be legit?

Buy them cheap. Instead of wasting money on the overpriced ICO I can have 5-10 times the number by buying at a later time.

That's not logical and also shows you are out to lower the price rather that legitimately call this out as a scam. The only correct answer would be its a scam.

How can it be overpriced if the project is legit and therefore is gunning to be a decentralised ebay? That makes the marketcap of 3,000btc pocket change compared to the potential a semi popular decentralised trading site is worth. Surely we could be talking billions if popular.

I guess you could say you've shown your hand if we were playing poker.

Personally, I am not "out for a lower price" and I do not have any agendas. I am just pointing out on an Internet forum that is by definition here to discuss digital currency matters that the Bitbay operation is a scam. I am sure you would agree, that the only logical explanation for the scale of dump is that only the Bitbay team who bought their own ICO has the incentive to dump at 1/3rd of the ICO price.

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