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[Paul Revere]

Update: There isn't a good number of consecutive days where that address staked a full day to try to figure out a longer sample. It does appear to be staking at more than 10% from the best days available to check.

It would have changed after the fork if it's a PC?

So we have been told. Not sure what the deal is with this address, or to whom it may belong. Lately the number of PC addresses being bandied about is 50, but it used to be 51. Is this the other one? Was this one left out of the boost to 100% and left @ 10%?

Edit to add:

Update: There isn't a good number of consecutive days where that address staked a full day to try to figure out a longer sample. It does appear to be staking at more than 10% from the best days available to check.

If it averages ~5% over 10 days then it's probably ok. It may have higher payouts on some days if it's been offline for a while.

This might be the case. The thing is, I don't see any specific jump, a "catchup" stake, after  when it skips a period of staking and then restarts. Not exactly sure how that works though.

[miaviator]

Update: There isn't a good number of consecutive days where that address staked a full day to try to figure out a longer sample. It does appear to be staking at more than 10% from the best days available to check.

It would have changed after the fork if it's a PC?

So we have been told. Not sure what the deal is with this address, or to whom it may belong. Lately the number of PC addresses being bandied about is 50, but it used to be 51. Is this the other one? Was this one left out of the boost to 100% and left @ 10%?

Edit to add:

Update: There isn't a good number of consecutive days where that address staked a full day to try to figure out a longer sample. It does appear to be staking at more than 10% from the best days available to check.

If it averages ~5% over 10 days then it's probably ok. It may have higher payouts on some days if it's been offline for a while.

This might be the case. The thing is, I don't see any specific jump, a "catchup" stake, after  when it skips a period of staking and then restarts. Not exactly sure how that works though.

51 was a rumor spread around.

PC's have always been hard-coded so it's easy to find that there have always been 50.

There was also never a "test prime" or "test coins"  that was another rumor/disinformation.  The test node was actually just the first prime node to stake.

[bumpershot]

There was also never a "test prime" or "test coins"  that was another rumor/disinformation.  The test node was actually just the first prime node to stake.

That wasn't a rumor. That was a direct statement from either Garza or Mordica (forgotten which).

So that was a lie.

Edit: It was Mordica.

This is our address that we are using to test staking with (as there have been some problems with the staking in the past week or so).

You can see on the blockchain looking at the other addresses the staking hasn't been working as expected so this is another node used for testing latest fixes.

Thanks.

[miaviator]

There was also never a "test prime" or "test coins"  that was another rumor/disinformation.  The test node was actually just the first prime node to stake.

That wasn't a rumor. That was a direct statement from either Garza or Mordica (forgotten which).

So that was a lie.

Edit: It was Mordica.

This is our address that we are using to test staking with (as there have been some problems with the staking in the past week or so).

You can see on the blockchain looking at the other addresses the staking hasn't been working as expected so this is another node used for testing latest fixes.

Thanks.

So 50 Prime Nodes.

Currently there should be 49 active nodes.

Since private keys were leaked there could be more, I don't believe anyone was able to test the keys or prove they work due to the 125K barrier?

[Paul Revere]

Whether someone is using one of the released keys is precisely what I have been trying to check this morning. There are only 8 candidates for this, and thus far the only one that is suspect is the address with ~148,000 XPY in it, #8 on the Rich List: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/#!rich

P.S: Personally I see no reason why people would not use these keys, if they work that is. Any notions of honoring what any supposed investors paid for having a Hyperstaking wallet were officially tossed out the window with the seizure/theft/deceptions of such and then the changing of the rules by a handful of shady characters. I see nothing that gives the crooks who say they have exclusive right to use these hyperstaking keys this right at all.

[Buckeye2015]

Whether someone is using one of the released keys is precisely what I have been trying to check this morning. There are only 8 candidates for this, and thus far the only one that is suspect is the address with ~148,000 XPY in it, #8 on the Rich List: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/#!rich

P.S: Personally I see no reason why people would not use these keys, if they work that is. Any notions of honoring what any supposed investors paid for having a Hyperstaking wallet were officially tossed out the window with the seizure/theft/deceptions of such and then the changing of the rules by a handful of shady characters. I see nothing that gives the crooks who say they have exclusive right to use these hyperstaking keys this right at all.

Who ever these investors are who paid for these controllers were told that they were designed and coded by world class talent. Clearly that wasn't even remotely true. So, if they want to take it as a 'lesson learned' or a case for litigation is up to them. But, those keys have been compromised and there is no way to fix it. That is patently shoddy coding work that no one can deny.

[Paul Revere]

Whether someone is using one of the released keys is precisely what I have been trying to check this morning. There are only 8 candidates for this, and thus far the only one that is suspect is the address with ~148,000 XPY in it, #8 on the Rich List: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/#!rich

P.S: Personally I see no reason why people would not use these keys, if they work that is. Any notions of honoring what any supposed investors paid for having a Hyperstaking wallet were officially tossed out the window with the seizure/theft/deceptions of such and then the changing of the rules by a handful of shady characters. I see nothing that gives the crooks who say they have exclusive right to use these hyperstaking keys this right at all.

Who ever these investors are who paid for these controllers were told that they were designed and coded by world class talent. Clearly that wasn't even remotely true. So, if they want to take it as a 'lesson learned' or a case for litigation is up to them. But, those keys have been compromised and there is no way to fix it. That is patently shoddy coding work that no one can deny.

Exactly. The Coin Coding and the Blockchain dictate the rules. The coding says that if you have a certain key and the minimum amount of coins in a wallet then it will work. People buying XPY have not signed any agreement saying that they will only allow a certain gang of crooks to use these hyperstaking keys. If the code allows it, then it is legitimate. Let the Mass Paycoin Hyperstaking commence! 

[Melech]

Whether someone is using one of the released keys is precisely what I have been trying to check this morning. There are only 8 candidates for this, and thus far the only one that is suspect is the address with ~148,000 XPY in it, #8 on the Rich List: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/#!rich

P.S: Personally I see no reason why people would not use these keys, if they work that is. Any notions of honoring what any supposed investors paid for having a Hyperstaking wallet were officially tossed out the window with the seizure/theft/deceptions of such and then the changing of the rules by a handful of shady characters. I see nothing that gives the crooks who say they have exclusive right to use these hyperstaking keys this right at all.

A wallet with 148k coins, staking at 100% rate would gain around 10k/month, or 300+/day.  #8 appears closer to 17/day (looking back 7 days), which is 5% rate

[Paul Revere]

Whether someone is using one of the released keys is precisely what I have been trying to check this morning. There are only 8 candidates for this, and thus far the only one that is suspect is the address with ~148,000 XPY in it, #8 on the Rich List: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/#!rich

P.S: Personally I see no reason why people would not use these keys, if they work that is. Any notions of honoring what any supposed investors paid for having a Hyperstaking wallet were officially tossed out the window with the seizure/theft/deceptions of such and then the changing of the rules by a handful of shady characters. I see nothing that gives the crooks who say they have exclusive right to use these hyperstaking keys this right at all.

A wallet with 148k coins, staking at 100% rate would gain around 10k/month, or 300+/day.  #8 appears closer to 20/day, which is around 5-10%

Yes, it appears to be staking at around 10%. This could be a fluke due to skipping stake for periods of time though. Keep in mind that the private keys were not all 100%/year, there were others as well. Not sure if the 10/20% keys are still functional after the code change on 4/20?

P.S: Here are the keys:
primenoderate=20
primenodekey=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


primenoderate=20
primenodekey=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


primenoderate=100
primenodekey=308201130201010420c86b7ebeb3a1e83503b060f4e89177a448a9e31b295eaff28c9ac9d18564ba89a081a53081a2020101302c06072a8648ce3d0101022100fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffefffffc2f300604010004010704410479be667ef9dcbbac55a06295ce870b07029bfcdb2dce28d959f2815b16f81798483ada7726a3c4655da4fbfc0e1108a8fd17b448a68554199c47d08ffb10d4b8022100fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffebaaedce6af48a03bbfd25e8cd0364141020101a144034200046ebc739ff7d6a0dbb3ae9bb9260a17b9d2fc40ca77d9c018784834ef863414c17b4fd3a580d9721ec0ee12c823f1eb48821b8135cd32aee26ba3be9cb22f7a31


primenoderate=100
primenodekey=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



primenoderate=100
primenodekey=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



primenoderate=100
primenodekey=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



primenoderate=100
primenodekey=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




primenoderate=100
primenodekey=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



primenoderate=100
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primenoderate=100
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primenoderate=100
primenodekey=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




primenoderate=100
primenodekey=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




primenoderate=10
primenodekey=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

you can copy paste them into notepad to view. You will see there are 10 and 20% keys as well as 100% ones.

[miaviator]

Yes, it appears to be staking at around 10%. This could be a fluke due to skipping stake for periods of time though. Keep in mind that the private keys were not all 100%/year, there were others as well. Not sure if the 10/20% keys are still functional after the code change on 4/20?

As of 4/20 all keys are 100% 

New keys were not issued the rates for all previous keys was changed.

[Buckeye2015]

Whether someone is using one of the released keys is precisely what I have been trying to check this morning. There are only 8 candidates for this, and thus far the only one that is suspect is the address with ~148,000 XPY in it, #8 on the Rich List: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/#!rich

P.S: Personally I see no reason why people would not use these keys, if they work that is. Any notions of honoring what any supposed investors paid for having a Hyperstaking wallet were officially tossed out the window with the seizure/theft/deceptions of such and then the changing of the rules by a handful of shady characters. I see nothing that gives the crooks who say they have exclusive right to use these hyperstaking keys this right at all.

Who ever these investors are who paid for these controllers were told that they were designed and coded by world class talent. Clearly that wasn't even remotely true. So, if they want to take it as a 'lesson learned' or a case for litigation is up to them. But, those keys have been compromised and there is no way to fix it. That is patently shoddy coding work that no one can deny.

Exactly. The Coin Coding and the Blockchain dictate the rules. The coding says that if you have a certain key and the minimum amount of coins in a wallet then it will work. People buying XPY have not signed any agreement saying that they will only allow a certain gang of crooks to use these hyperstaking keys. If the code allows it, then it is legitimate. Let the Mass Paycoin Hyperstaking commence! 

You joke, but this was promoted as a solution for a global currency with the intention of usurping all forms of fiat. That was the promise promoted by the schemers and that was the basis for their thinking that $20 would be just a temporary floor until it sailed to $100/coin then on past the value of bitcoin itself. Instead, it's a poorly re-worked peercoin that stole the name of another failed altcoin that is currently (very possibly) being propped up by fake trade activity to keep the noobs who can't admit that they were taken pumping more fiat and BTC into their scam. (e.g. the crowdfunding doesn't even take XPY, it has to be donated in fiat or BTC!).... the fact that this whole scam is being run by grown adults and assisted by businesses like cryptsy is just getting to be really disgusting to me.

The fact that people who do care about the actual future of cryptocurrency are having to reverse engineer their shit to try to make heads or tails of it... when they claimed "transparency" is even more disgusting. Right now, for all we know, ISIS (the terrorist group ISIS) owns those other controllers and all those hundreds of thousands... millions? of dollars have been funneled into supporting their blood bath over there. And, this paycoin foundation and xpytrust don't give a flying fuck about it... think about that for a minute... Matlack got his family and friends to cash out their retirement funds to send the money to ISIS.... that is just how disgusting this who coin is getting. AND, until they prove otherwise, that is exactly what MIGHT be happening to every additional $ or BTC put into this coin.

As far as I can tell, Stuart Fraser of Cantor Fitzgerald and Homero Joshua Garza are just a front end terrorist funding organization. And, if any of the paycoin holders don't think ISIS can stand up Prime Controllers... they're mistaken. Yes, they're killing a shit ton of innocents in barbaric ways, but they also have more than enough technology and connectivity to be running these Prime Controllers. Cantor Fitzgerald, after the losses they took in 9/11, should be disgusted by what their Stuart Fraser has done and continues to do.

[Melech]

Yes, it appears to be staking at around 10%. This could be a fluke due to skipping stake for periods of time though. Keep in mind that the private keys were not all 100%/year, there were others as well. Not sure if the 10/20% keys are still functional after the code change on 4/20?

As of 4/20 all keys are 100%  

New keys were not issued the rates for all previous keys was changed.

I'm not entirely familiar with paycoin, but I believe the wallet in question, is an 'orion node', staking at 5%

[Paul Revere]

Yes, it appears to be staking at around 10%. This could be a fluke due to skipping stake for periods of time though. Keep in mind that the private keys were not all 100%/year, there were others as well. Not sure if the 10/20% keys are still functional after the code change on 4/20?

As of 4/20 all keys are 100% 

New keys were not issued the rates for all previous keys was changed.

Thanks for clarifying that. Currently it would take 78 BTC worth of XPY to find out if these work. If the historical Paycoin Price Plunge continues at near the same rate it has been, this should be down to 1-3 BTC in a couple months. For that price I would try it, just for shits and giggles. Not that 100% continuously compounding interest would make you a profit when the coin is losing value so rapidly.

[Melech]

The fact that people who do care about the actual future of cryptocurrency are having to reverse engineer their shit to try to make heads or tails of it...

True story.

I'd rather be working on making crypto better, instead of researching and exposing scams like paycoin.

Is PayCoin a red-herring to slow bitcoin progress?

[Paul Revere]

The fact that people who do care about the actual future of cryptocurrency are having to reverse engineer their shit to try to make heads or tails of it...

True story.

I'd rather be working on making crypto better, instead of researching and exposing scams like paycoin.

Is PayCoin a red-herring to slow bitcoin progress?

More like a dead whale washed up on the beach. We are just trying to keep the kids from playing in it and watching and pointing at all of the vultures picking away at the rotten carcass.

[miaviator]

The fact that people who do care about the actual future of cryptocurrency are having to reverse engineer their shit to try to make heads or tails of it...

True story.

I'd rather be working on making crypto better, instead of researching and exposing scams like paycoin.

Is PayCoin a red-herring to slow bitcoin progress?

Don't give the Muggle so much credit. 

[CryptoBuds]

Whether someone is using one of the released keys is precisely what I have been trying to check this morning. There are only 8 candidates for this, and thus far the only one that is suspect is the address with ~148,000 XPY in it, #8 on the Rich List: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/#!rich

P.S: Personally I see no reason why people would not use these keys, if they work that is. Any notions of honoring what any supposed investors paid for having a Hyperstaking wallet were officially tossed out the window with the seizure/theft/deceptions of such and then the changing of the rules by a handful of shady characters. I see nothing that gives the crooks who say they have exclusive right to use these hyperstaking keys this right at all.

The only person I could think of with that many coins would be the wonderful Mr. Coins himself.  He has been awfully quite lately on HT and on twitter...

[Melech]

More like a dead whale washed up on the beach.

The only thing I like about PayCoin is the strength of community. (Though I do not like that they blindly follow a scammer like he's a prophet)

It's a shame these guys got scammed out of $$$ and are now working for PayCoin trying to recoup their losses.  They could prolly help a real coin be successful if they would just ditch the scam...

XPY had such a strong community, they could have easily been the #1 altcoin, if they were legit instead of money-hungry scammers.

[Paul Revere]

More like a dead whale washed up on the beach.

The only thing I like about PayCoin is the strength of community. (Though I do not like that they blindly follow a scammer like he's a prophet)

It's a shame these guys got scammed out of $$$ and are now working for PayCoin trying to recoup their losses.  They could prolly help a real coin be successful if they would just ditch the scam...

XPY had such a strong community, they could have easily been the #1 altcoin, if they were legit instead of money-hungry scammers.

I don't think the community is strong at all. Just a handful of gullible fools that don't know when to quit and keep throwing good money after bad. Hashtalk is basically just a bunch of semi-retarded children playing pretend games at this point. Any people with a lick of common sense got out of the Paycoin Cult a long time ago.

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More like a dead whale washed up on the beach.

The only thing I like about PayCoin is the strength of community. (Though I do not like that they blindly follow a scammer like he's a prophet)

It's a shame these guys got scammed out of $$$ and are now working for PayCoin trying to recoup their losses.  They could prolly help a real coin be successful if they would just ditch the scam...

XPY had such a strong community, they could have easily been the #1 altcoin, if they were legit instead of money-hungry scammers.

I don't think the community is strong at all. Just a handful of gullible fools that don't know when to quit and keep throwing good money after bad. Hashtalk is basically just a bunch of semi-retarded children playing pretend games at this point. Any people with a lick of common sense got out of the Paycoin Cult a long time ago.

Hashtalk needs a professional de-programmer.  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deprogramming

Deprogramming refers to measures aimed at bringing a person that has been indoctrinated into a given belief system to recognize that s/he has been indoctrinated so as to gain his or her agreement to abandon allegiance to the religious, political, economic, or social group associated with the belief system.[1][2] Methods and practices of self-identified "deprogrammers" have been identified to involved kidnapping and coercion.[3] Classic deprogramming regimens are designed for individuals taken against their will, which has led to controversies over freedom of religion, kidnapping and civil rights, as well as the violence which is sometimes involved.[4]