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[dzimbeck]

You should sync with bootstrap and it should work.

The community forum should allow new registrations, I wasn't aware it doesn't send emails. Myself, Craig, Alec, Yshurik and Alec are still quite active.

The fact that it doesn't trade on other exchanges besides Latoken is not our fault. It's because central exchanges are thieves and we got our listing fee stolen from by 3 of them and only Latoken eventually came through. And none of them would accept double deposit escrow, a few of them it turned into a fight just to even ask for escrow (kind of showing they are scams but we took a gamble on 4 of them). Latoken however was very buggy and that has dramatically effected our trading volumes. Furthermore, Cryptopia stole from everyone and vanished and Bittrex who is partner with Upbit delisted and totally censored us probably because they have a bank in their pocket or just that they are sellouts/censors/jerks. After they made millions off of us they turn their back on the tech that enriches them. So yeah we also dealt with censorship from mainstream exchanges and news and that has made me not motivated to talk to those types of companies as I see them as evil in a sense.

With that said, I'm sure theres some good exchanges but its a very expensive gamble and time burn and adding BAY is custom code because of the peg so many exchanges are too lazy or start to act really entitled when they have to do "work". The peg works incredibly well, we are able to tracking BTC peaks moving BAY price from 20 cents to 45 cents and keeping it perfectly stable. The trade off is a lot of the supply has to go to reserve but the theory is when volume picks up it won't matter.

So we need volume and thus we need to be listed on various DEX or exchanges that are almost fully decentralized.

That means we are just going through this stage where we either trade on Latoken when it works or OTC. But it won't stop the project from ultimately getting listed on the appropriate DEX and solving our bottleneck so in the meantime we just have to be patient.

Hi dzimbeck and thank you for the comprehensive answer.

I am not intending to sell my BAY, I was merely expressing pity and will definitely resume my following of BitBay and wish it would get more attention & adoption! Somebody here mentioned listing on eg. Block DX, which is free and would IMHO make sense? From the technical standpoint it is a blind shot from me, though I understand from your previous text that it would require some work (which, on the other hand, is not an unknown to those people).

I have been unsuccessful to register on the Forum so far (no activation email). I can PM you my nick and/or email, if you are able to look into it?

Back to the untouched main point of my post though: As mentioned, I have eventually been able to fully sync the BitBay Linux Qt Wallet (v3.1.2.0-gf683bd6) but do not see an option to import key1+2 .private and .public -- they may have been exported from the Marketplace, can you please hint?

I would also gladly install & try the Android app, as well as report any issues I encounter -- it's just that I am running a custom deGoogled OS (https://e.foundation/), thus have no access to Google Play and would need an installation APK and a checksum from you, if that is feasible?

Thanks!

Very cool about the de-googled android phone. I also was thinking about how to do that. As for the two keys those are not compatible with QT. QT is single signature and Halo wallet is multisignature so you need Halo wallet. As for the form we will look into that. Thanks

Blocknet is a good idea but we are focusing on side projects and other more high volume DEX solutions for now although its on the list.

I have to check to see where the APK is... in the meanwhile perhaps scrape the google play store.

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[dzimbeck]

 

[lifeiscrypto]

I am using the marketplace client version 2.5. When go to "History" I see a message saying that the coins set as "reserve" are "movable with a one month delay". Right now around 99% of my balance is in Reserve, that was the situation 1 month ago and also 3 or 4 months ago (I hold BitBay since 2017). How do I move them to liquid if I want to move them to an exchange? can I go to Send and try to send the full Actual Balance and it would work but with 1 month delay or will it only let me move "Available Balance"?

[dzimbeck]

I am using the marketplace client version 2.5. When go to "History" I see a message saying that the coins set as "reserve" are "movable with a one month delay". Right now around 99% of my balance is in Reserve, that was the situation 1 month ago and also 3 or 4 months ago (I hold BitBay since 2017). How do I move them to liquid if I want to move them to an exchange? can I go to Send and try to send the full Actual Balance and it would work but with 1 month delay or will it only let me move "Available Balance"?

In advanced sending you can see the option for moving reserve. However when it gets to the exchange it would still probably be reserve and would be delayed one month. As this system is precisely why the liquid coins are worth so much more.

[lifeiscrypto]

Understood. So if I don't use the advance sending, how will my reserve become liquid? is it a matter of time or is there anything I can do? All my balance has been in the wallet since 2017

[dactylion]

Very cool about the de-googled android phone. I also was thinking about how to do that. As for the two keys those are not compatible with QT. QT is single signature and Halo wallet is multisignature so you need Halo wallet. As for the form we will look into that. Thanks

Blocknet is a good idea but we are focusing on side projects and other more high volume DEX solutions for now although its on the list.

I have to check to see where the APK is... in the meanwhile perhaps scrape the google play store.

Hey dzimbeck,

Thanks for the hint, will play around with Halo, although the first experience was quite clunky. The 64bit linux version GUI was somewhat broken (buttons did not work), the 32bit version loaded OK but started syncing from scratch, although I already should have the complete blockchain locally (synced by the Qt wallet). I also tried to dump the bootstrap file into the data filder after flushing its content but that did not make any change and Halo still tries to sync from block 0 :/ My main motivation is to move it to the web wallet (not sell), just to avoid these shenanigans, until the software side is more usable. Any advice welcome, thanks!

..and about the phone: /e/ OS is very easy to install/flash, if you have one of the 100+ officially supported models, for which a binary image is available. If not, you can still build from source.

[dzimbeck]

Very cool about the de-googled android phone. I also was thinking about how to do that. As for the two keys those are not compatible with QT. QT is single signature and Halo wallet is multisignature so you need Halo wallet. As for the form we will look into that. Thanks

Blocknet is a good idea but we are focusing on side projects and other more high volume DEX solutions for now although its on the list.

I have to check to see where the APK is... in the meanwhile perhaps scrape the google play store.

Hey dzimbeck,

Thanks for the hint, will play around with Halo, although the first experience was quite clunky. The 64bit linux version GUI was somewhat broken (buttons did not work), the 32bit version loaded OK but started syncing from scratch, although I already should have the complete blockchain locally (synced by the Qt wallet). I also tried to dump the bootstrap file into the data filder after flushing its content but that did not make any change and Halo still tries to sync from block 0 :/ My main motivation is to move it to the web wallet (not sell), just to avoid these shenanigans, until the software side is more usable. Any advice welcome, thanks!

..and about the phone: /e/ OS is very easy to install/flash, if you have one of the 100+ officially supported models, for which a binary image is available. If not, you can still build from source.

Maybe it's verifying the blocks instead of downloading them. Which should still be a bit faster. Bootstrap doesn't instantly sync however if you synced in advance it should work.
As for 64 bit it should work on most linux versions. I would need system details to see what the issue is. The reason is because there is so many versions of linux and hard to release static build. Which is why you can also just run it from the python code.

[BitBayDoc]

What I said Feb. 2, 2021 still holds true:

Despite the issues we see with LA, isn't it amaaaazing that the Peg does its thing to protect the price?
Even with low numbers it works. It truly brings stability under the harshest conditions.
...BAY will be a leader in the new markets to come.

Once NightTrader.org (our Decentralized Exchange) is done - $ freedom for BAY?

BAY liquid 24H Range on Feb 2, 2021: $ 0.395908 — $ 0.411778
BAY liquid 24H Range on March 1st, 2021: $ 0.467743 — $ 0.721217
Cheers!

[dactylion]

Maybe it's verifying the blocks instead of downloading them. Which should still be a bit faster. Bootstrap doesn't instantly sync however if you synced in advance it should work.
As for 64 bit it should work on most linux versions. I would need system details to see what the issue is. The reason is because there is so many versions of linux and hard to release static build. Which is why you can also just run it from the python code.

So my 32-bit Halo v2.5 eventually synced up and upon loading key2.private, it shows the correct balance. I will still need to catch up with the dynamic peg and terminology, as in "Actual balance: vs. "Available balance" but I should be in control of my BAY again and able to move it to a "lighter" wallet

Thanks for your help @dzimbeck!

[raisinbran]

How thoroughly was the peg tested? I know it was exercised to some extent on the testnet, but that only lasted about 4 weeks as I remember and it was never working 100%.

[dzimbeck]

How thoroughly was the peg tested? I know it was exercised to some extent on the testnet, but that only lasted about 4 weeks as I remember and it was never working 100%.

What do you mean? The peg was tested for over a year. First it was coded in Python in 2018, I personally tested it. Then Yshurik coded it in c++. Then we even coded our own exchange dynamicpeg.com to show exchanges how to use it which was running for a year flawlessly. The thing is we can't know if an exchange properly follows our API and code. This is why Latoken had some issues because they didn't really let us audit their implementation. However they seem to be working okay. I think also a lot of their issues weren't even peg related as their exchange appeared very buggy anyways. Perhaps they worked it out by now... who knows.

[dzimbeck]

Maybe it's verifying the blocks instead of downloading them. Which should still be a bit faster. Bootstrap doesn't instantly sync however if you synced in advance it should work.
As for 64 bit it should work on most linux versions. I would need system details to see what the issue is. The reason is because there is so many versions of linux and hard to release static build. Which is why you can also just run it from the python code.

So my 32-bit Halo v2.5 eventually synced up and upon loading key2.private, it shows the correct balance. I will still need to catch up with the dynamic peg and terminology, as in "Actual balance: vs. "Available balance" but I should be in control of my BAY again and able to move it to a "lighter" wallet

Thanks for your help @dzimbeck!

Actual vs available balance is effected by several things. First of all your ratio of liquid to reserve which you can see in the "history" tab which shows a more detailed ratio of liquid/reserve/frozen. I do think there should be more on the homepage to express that though.

Available balance may also be effected by pending transactions waiting for confirmations, pending contracts and marketplace offers, etc.

I don't know why so many people want to move to lighter wallet. I think the two keys are so much stronger security, I even use BitHalo to store BTC(BitHalo works with Bitcoin and dates back to 2014). Also the markets it's unfortunate people don't use them because they are full decentralized with security possibly better than TOR.

[raisinbran]

I didn't mean my question as an affront. I spend a lot more time not checking in on the board than I do staying active. I miss a lot and I was just wondering. That's all there is to it.

Thanks for getting back so fast.

Om, Shanti, Shanti. Peace.

[BitBayDoc]

Yo Raisin... lol
Yes, the peg has been tested quite exhaustively for literally years, as David so vividly recounts above, before it went live.
Reading the time line brought back memories, both good and not so good, over the past 4+ years I have been involved.
BAY is truly special on so many levels and should be in the top 10 coins... And maybe it will be after NightTrader.org goes live.
One thing is for sure - our base price keeps going up, following BTC - as planned, despite hardly any real adaptation by the masses. Yet.

Speaking of Coin...
Someone emailed me this weekend with a question, and referenced a couple of alternative domain names for BAY, since they obviously followed what I had to say about all that about 2 months or so ago.
One of the .com names they mentioned stuck in my mind, as I had looked it up more than a few times years past and it was always taken.
But I did a search again anyway, just to check.

AND lo and behold, this time it wasn't taken and was available   ! AND, so were the .net and .org!!!

HOLY S***! I almost fell off my chair. I quickly put the .com, .net and .org URL's in the shopping cart as quickly as I could and checked out.
YES, We Got Them All! And what are these miracle domain names an Anon helped the team get?

Wait a second...
It's coming...
We're almost there...
Hang on...

BitBayCoin.com also .net & .org!

Now - I want everyone to carefully digest what I have to say next:

1. Nothing needs to change in our plans for BitBay except to add the word "coin" to the domain name.

2. Adding the word "coin" describes who we are better than just BitBay.market anyway.

3. Most Importantly it will finally distinguish us from the Polish Exchange - BitBay.net.

4. We will finally have a .com (the #1 domain ending in the world for any URL).

5. Because I got .com, .net and .org we finally will not have any SEO name competion.

6. No more F***ing name confusion .
    Public Perception - "What is the name of that Alt Coin BitBay again?"
   "Is it BitBay.com, .net, .org, .info, .us, .co, .io, .live, .store, .global, .biz, .online, .market, .site, .shop, .me, .today, .app, .company, etc?
    WTF is it?!?!??!!!! I'm totally confused."

BitBayCoin.com, .net and .org will be a drop kick in the cohones (Spanish slang for testicles, balls, nuts) of the folks who set up David Z. with a classic but highly flawed name that causes major confusion just about everywhere - on purpose!

To the BitBay.com owners in China (?) whoever you are - F*** OFF! BAY wont be here to get a finger poke in-the-eye when we begin to have huge success!
To the BitBay.net Exchange owners in Poland - Good Riddance, you never wanted or tried to lift a hand to help us anyway!
To the BitBay.org owners in ? - Chow bella!
To the FUTURE owners of BitBay.info, .us, .co, .io, .live, .store, .global, .biz, .online, .site, .shop, .me, .today, .app, .company, etc. F*** OFF.

BitBayCoin.com, .net and .org all landing at BitBayCoin.com, will finally allow BAY to - "Be Free!"
(We also have BitBayCoins.com, .net and .org in the portfolio that will be forwarded also )

AND - we can do this without hardly any effort needed on our part.
We can have our cake AND eat it too!!!
Viola!

Let's discuss transitioning to BitBayCoin.com by the time NightTrader.org goes live.
All we have to do is mirror BitBay.market to BitBayCoin.com and simply change the name on CMC, CoinGecko and CoinCodex. Easy Peasy.
We keep BAY as our short name for reference. That's it! Nothing else needs to change.
Plus, we could always use a little free advertising when people see the name shift.
Maybe David, Craig, Bjorn, etc. could get an interview or two out of it.
God knows we need the exposure...

In my humble opinion this proposed name modification could play a big part of our future success!  Peace

[hopenotlate]

This is an awesome news : nice improvement without having to struggle too much for it , patience paid this time as often happens.
All in one place/name is something that might help the project that unfortunately still didn't gain much traction. Lets hope new site domain, unique SEO identification and new exchange going live may benefit this project which am lurking/hodling for long time now.

[dactylion]

Maybe it's verifying the blocks instead of downloading them. Which should still be a bit faster. Bootstrap doesn't instantly sync however if you synced in advance it should work.
As for 64 bit it should work on most linux versions. I would need system details to see what the issue is. The reason is because there is so many versions of linux and hard to release static build. Which is why you can also just run it from the python code.

So my 32-bit Halo v2.5 eventually synced up and upon loading key2.private, it shows the correct balance. I will still need to catch up with the dynamic peg and terminology, as in "Actual balance: vs. "Available balance" but I should be in control of my BAY again and able to move it to a "lighter" wallet

Thanks for your help @dzimbeck!

Actual vs available balance is effected by several things. First of all your ratio of liquid to reserve which you can see in the "history" tab which shows a more detailed ratio of liquid/reserve/frozen. I do think there should be more on the homepage to express that though.

Available balance may also be effected by pending transactions waiting for confirmations, pending contracts and marketplace offers, etc.

I don't know why so many people want to move to lighter wallet. I think the two keys are so much stronger security, I even use BitHalo to store BTC(BitHalo works with Bitcoin and dates back to 2014). Also the markets it's unfortunate people don't use them because they are full decentralized with security possibly better than TOR.

Thanks, I will read up on the Liquid/Reserve coins some more, so I understand it better.

As for the wallet, I may keep my BAY in Halo for now, I just wanted to spare myself having to spend a week making the binaries to work on two different platforms :/ If you can find the APK, I would be grateful, I think it may be safer to use than the webwallet, although since the login information is probably only used for hashing & key generation, I wouldn't be too worried, my password keeping is safe enough I think. I still find it difficult to navigate Halo. I understand that the Offers and Contracts sections are empty as my only interaction so far has been syncing and importing keys, however I've been unable to show any Marketplace listings, just can't figure out how to get anything show up. There's the BitBay and ALL markets dropdown, Sell Coins, Auctions etc. but clicking Go with anything selected does not do anything.. Then again, I'm probably just unexperienced. A good UX feedback anyway maybe? Sorry for being this direct. Compared to Haven or Particl Marketplace I'm feeling completely lost..

[BitBayDoc]

Hi Dactylion - Please go to: TELEGRAM at https://t.me/bitbayofficial to ask technical questions.
Telegram always has somebody there and they are very good at technical inquiry's. David hangs out there a lot also!
This is a bitcointalk blog... More focused on the business and roadmap of BAY coin. Thanks!
Doc

[dactylion]

Hi Dactylion - Please go to: TELEGRAM at https://t.me/bitbayofficial to ask technical questions.
Telegram always has somebody there and they are very good at technical inquiry's. David hangs out there a lot also!
This is a bitcointalk blog... More focused on the business and roadmap of BAY coin. Thanks!
Doc

Thanks for the advice @BitBayDoc. I don't use Telegram (Signal maximalist, as well as app count minimalist, heh) but in case of pressing technical questions or severe issues (funds/transactions stuck), I will install TG and ask there. Cheers!

[dzimbeck]

Maybe it's verifying the blocks instead of downloading them. Which should still be a bit faster. Bootstrap doesn't instantly sync however if you synced in advance it should work.
As for 64 bit it should work on most linux versions. I would need system details to see what the issue is. The reason is because there is so many versions of linux and hard to release static build. Which is why you can also just run it from the python code.

So my 32-bit Halo v2.5 eventually synced up and upon loading key2.private, it shows the correct balance. I will still need to catch up with the dynamic peg and terminology, as in "Actual balance: vs. "Available balance" but I should be in control of my BAY again and able to move it to a "lighter" wallet

Thanks for your help @dzimbeck!

Actual vs available balance is effected by several things. First of all your ratio of liquid to reserve which you can see in the "history" tab which shows a more detailed ratio of liquid/reserve/frozen. I do think there should be more on the homepage to express that though.

Available balance may also be effected by pending transactions waiting for confirmations, pending contracts and marketplace offers, etc.

I don't know why so many people want to move to lighter wallet. I think the two keys are so much stronger security, I even use BitHalo to store BTC(BitHalo works with Bitcoin and dates back to 2014). Also the markets it's unfortunate people don't use them because they are full decentralized with security possibly better than TOR.

Thanks, I will read up on the Liquid/Reserve coins some more, so I understand it better.

As for the wallet, I may keep my BAY in Halo for now, I just wanted to spare myself having to spend a week making the binaries to work on two different platforms :/ If you can find the APK, I would be grateful, I think it may be safer to use than the webwallet, although since the login information is probably only used for hashing & key generation, I wouldn't be too worried, my password keeping is safe enough I think. I still find it difficult to navigate Halo. I understand that the Offers and Contracts sections are empty as my only interaction so far has been syncing and importing keys, however I've been unable to show any Marketplace listings, just can't figure out how to get anything show up. There's the BitBay and ALL markets dropdown, Sell Coins, Auctions etc. but clicking Go with anything selected does not do anything.. Then again, I'm probably just unexperienced. A good UX feedback anyway maybe? Sorry for being this direct. Compared to Haven or Particl Marketplace I'm feeling completely lost..

No the markets are working 100%. It's simply that there are no listings. Anyone can post anything to the markets. You can even start your own market. They are fully anonymous and arguably better security than TOR. We were before Particl and actually Particl started as Shadowcoin which was inspired by my work. Of course contracts on the market are also unbreakable and impervious to fraud or theft due to the nature of double deposit escrow. I think it would be nice to also connect to a dedicated node that always shows some basic listings to populate the markets with something however our community is currently trying to get more exchanges, especially DEX.

Login info for web wallet is only kept in cache so the moment you close the tab it logs you out. It's safe as long as you don't have malicious plugins that read keystrokes or something.

As for APK, we had some updates to web wallet recently so we will rebuild it. Also moving some code from bitbucket to github. Then next APK we build I will make sure it's hosted on github. Although the one at the playstore is working fine anyways.

[BitBayDoc]

Attention - Why is this?:

"No the markets are working 100%. It's simply that there are no listings. Anyone can post anything to the markets. You can even start your own market. They are fully anonymous and arguably better security than TOR. We were before Particl and actually Particl started as Shadowcoin which was inspired by my work. Of course contracts on the market are also unbreakable and impervious to fraud or theft due to the nature of double deposit escrow." David Z. March 3, 2021.

A huge part of the reason all this is built, is functioning 100% but has ZERO product listings is partly because of this; and I don't care what anyone says or how they try to justify our lack of adaptation to date:

"What is the address of that Alt Coin BitBay again, Jethro?
Is it bitbaymarket.com, or is it bitbay.com, .net, .org, .info, .us, .co, .io, .live, .store, .global, .biz, .online, .market, .site, .shop, .me, .today, .app, or .company, etc?

BitBayCoin.com, .net and .org will solve a classic but highly flawed name that causes major confusion just about everywhere.

When I'm talking to people about BAY and wanting to send them somewhere online to review the coin and not the exchange (btw - the exchange makes us look bad because of their down time - we get all the credit in the write ups for being down - as well as them); it's hard, every single time, trying to tell people of all ages, races, sexes, creeds and colors to go to bitbay.market. "...I know it's a terrible domain name, ...no, no, not marketS, ...no, it really is a domain suffix - it's not a scam, ...again, I know the name sucks - no one there listens to me, ...no, no just bitbay.MARKET - that's it!!! AAAAARRRGH! There you go.
EVERYONE F's it up the 1st time you tell them. EVERYONE.    

BitBayCoin.com will end ALL the sketchiness, malarky, name and owner confusion. Period.

I'm going back to Miami; have a great weekend Ya'll - Peace