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January 02, 2015, 08:32:34 PM
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To all GAW fans, please think about/answer for yourself these questions.
1)
The purpose of this coin and what makes it different is that it will have a stable price so that merchants accept it.
The price was to be $20 with some fluctuations.
Right now the price is less than $6, more like $5.50, and still falling.
Sounds like it is fluctuating like every other virtual currency.
Do you think merchants will adapt that?

2)
Where are the announcements from the merchants?
All the positive announcements are from GAW/Josh, none from Amazon, Target, Newegg, etc.
The announcement from Amazon is that they are not working with anyone to adapt paycoin.

3)
Why can hashtalk not take legitimate questions and concerns?
I was silent banned for posting the terms and conditions that everyone agreed to.
I did this in response to questions about the guaranteed $20 price and payout rate of the stakers.
The T&C clearly state the value is NOT guaranteed, neither is the rate.
I didn't call anyone names, simply cut and pasted their T&Cs.

4)
A daily return rate guaranteed at 0.972% daily, that is 174% over 6 months, not compounding.
Can you find that anywhere in the real world?

5)
Why can't we resell the very rare hashstakers?

Just so you know I own hashstakers, I mined XPY during POW, I have sold on Cryptsy for 0.0668 BTC.
I believe it is a scam, but early in and early out on a Ponzi and you can make money.
I figured he had to keep it going for at least 6 months, the first round, so that is why I played.
Now I don't think it will make 6 days.

I'm not sour, I did all this while telling everyone I know I was investing in a Ponzi scheme.

The only things that have surprised me so far are:
How fast things are falling apart, I expected months not days.
I expected he would have allowed the sale of hashstaker on his market since he collect 10% per sale.


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January 02, 2015, 08:37:20 PM
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January 02, 2015, 08:39:22 PM
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To all GAW fans, please think about/answer for yourself these questions.
1)
The purpose of this coin and what makes it different is that it will have a stable price so that merchants accept it.
The price was to be $20 with some fluctuations.
Right now the price is less than $6, more like $5.50, and still falling.
Sounds like it is fluctuating like every other virtual currency.
Do you think merchants will adapt that?

2)
Where are the announcements from the merchants?
All the positive announcements are from GAW/Josh, none from Amazon, Target, Newegg, etc.
The announcement from Amazon is that they are not working with anyone to adapt paycoin.

3)
Why can hashtalk not take legitimate questions and concerns?
I was silent banned for posting the terms and conditions that everyone agreed to.
I did this in response to questions about the guaranteed $20 price and payout rate of the stakers.
The T&C clearly state the value is NOT guaranteed, neither is the rate.
I didn't call anyone names, simply cut and pasted their T&Cs.

4)
A daily return rate guaranteed at 0.972% daily, that is 174% over 6 months, not compounding.
Can you find that anywhere in the real world?

5)
Why can't we resell the very rare hashstakers?

Just so you know I own hashstakers, I mined XPY during POW, I have sold on Cryptsy for 0.0668 BTC.
I believe it is a scam, but early in and early out on a Ponzi and you can make money.
I figured he had to keep it going for at least 6 months, the first round, so that is why I played.
Now I don't think it will make 6 days.

I'm not sour, I did all this while telling everyone I know I was investing in a Ponzi scheme.

The only things that have surprised me so far are:
How fast things are falling apart, I expected months not days.
I expected he would have allowed the sale of hashstaker on his market since he collect 10% per sale.




Price falls because of Fuds. It has nothing to do with what is being delivered or promised. I have seen it happen to every single coin..whether it's a scam or not is out of a question and that is something that can be decided once few months are over.

Even if it's a scam they can milk money out of it for months before letting it die. Saying that it's dead after few days is plain naive OR may be I'm being naive here. lol.

We'll see. I'm pretty pissed at myself for buying it 0.025 but it'll be stupid to judge it and say it's dead. It only takes $100k to bring price to 0.06 so it's not something that's impossible. It'll take time for sure or may be not.

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January 02, 2015, 08:42:24 PM
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If it only takes 100k then why is Josh not supporting the $20 wall? Apparently 'private investors and companies' have pushed a ridiculous amount of $ into XPY and this was said to be used to support the market as well as other happenings. This was a bait and switch, my friend. Except this time, you had to go pick your own switch straight off the whipping willow.
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January 02, 2015, 08:51:43 PM
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I agree with the FUD causing falls.
But to a merchant it presents the same problem that BTC has, wild price swings.
The send BTC within 15 min or instant swap like Coinbase have addressed this.

This coin was to make all of this unnecessary.
I don't see that happening.
All the money behind it was suppose to stop these wild swings, I don't see that either.
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January 02, 2015, 08:52:11 PM
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If it only takes 100k then why is Josh not supporting the $20 wall? Apparently 'private investors and companies' have pushed a ridiculous amount of $ into XPY and this was said to be used to support the market as well as other happenings. This was a bait and switch, my friend. Except this time, you had to go pick your own switch straight off the whipping willow.

because people will start dumping or may be he is accumulating so price can be more stable at $20 with less people selling. It also happened during 31st so lot of people sold at loss so they could claim it on their tax return..I won't be surprised if they come back and price goes back to .04+.

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January 02, 2015, 08:58:35 PM
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You honestly thought paycoin was legit ?
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January 02, 2015, 09:04:58 PM
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and up she goes again.
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January 02, 2015, 09:06:33 PM
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You honestly thought paycoin was legit ?

personally, I don't care. What I do know is that it'll get pumped few times a month.  Grin

Josh whole career depends on this and if it fails he'll lose lot of customers. So far I haven't seen many people on hashtalk leave YET. So, I think he'll do everything he can to make it work

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January 02, 2015, 10:55:22 PM
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Some helpful links - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Y9qBOX-VUfsR3femQ9ggmqvgepksImqag1R2SPVUiNk/edit#gid=0

Josh Garza saying $20 floor is to big for it to fail.

https://i.imgur.com/HAIL73L.png
https://hashtalk.org/topic/20296/hashstaker-q-a/266
https://web.archive.org/web/20150102212450/https://hashtalk.org/topic/20296/hashstaker-q-a/266
   

   Josh Garza saying they will buy Paycoin at $20 and modified version of original statement.

https://i.imgur.com/0ALEUYW.png
https://www.facebook.com/Hashlets/posts/965168623510798
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Paybase is stolen logo
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Statement from Josh Garza they will push the exchanges past $20
https://web.archive.org/web/20150102220147/https://hashtalk.org/topic/25441/paybase-launch-rescheduled/39   

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January 02, 2015, 11:02:56 PM
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You know the copied logo isn't going to fly since it could be easily classed as misrepresentation because the GoPago is a Point OF Sale hardware and software business but could easily be mistaken that POS means Proof of Stake, that gopago is an affiliate of paybase and the technology is made for PayCoin.
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January 02, 2015, 11:09:43 PM
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I have not bothered reading up on paycoin, but someone claimed it's ICO raised more than Ethereum. Is this true and can the dev dump the ICO bitcoins? Is there an address where we can see the ICO bitcoins?
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You know the copied logo isn't going to fly since it could be easily classed as misrepresentation because the GoPago is a Point OF Sale hardware and software business but could easily be mistaken that POS means Proof of Stake, that gopago is an affiliate of paybase and the technology is made for PayCoin.

The fact that they aren't concerned about future litigation from Amazon TOS conflicts , gopago trademark infringement, and the fact that they may face legal action over stealing another coins name -paycoin worries me that they may not be concerned about the long term viability of their business model.

I have not bothered reading up on paycoin, but someone claimed it's ICO raised more than Ethereum. Is this true and can the dev dump the ICO bitcoins? Is there an address where we can see the ICO bitcoins?

Since it is almost completely premined, and josh only created a floor for around 30 minutes, it has been extremely profitable for him. There isn't much transparency so there is no way of knowing how much gaw has made off this scheme as they have been trading on their own exchange and with anomynous bots on other exchanges without having a single ICO investment wallet. Most of the coins are still in control of GAW(They will suggest that they own it with secret investors but so far no evidence supports this) so the market could be drop out much further if these coins start hitting the market.

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January 02, 2015, 11:30:38 PM
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Denial Bargaining Anger Depression Acceptance
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Denial Bargaining Anger Depression Acceptance
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January 03, 2015, 03:30:24 AM
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its getting dumped fast now, buy order side almost empty  Shocked

try to pick up some coins of it gets dumped below 0.010

 
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January 03, 2015, 04:00:29 AM
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I've never seen a coin crash this fast and this hard. Not even a decent dead cat bounce. This speaks volumes.

I'm stuck with some mined coins but no way in hell am I buying any.   Cheap coins are useless if you can't sell them.

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yeah true but so much volume that it seems likely someone will pump it up a bit again. doesnt have to be much. just bought a few btc at 0.011 hope i can sell it at 0.016/0.017 tomorrow. now im going to bed Smiley

buy support is already growing...so im positive i can make some small trades Smiley

 
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