VOD should be removed from default trust for systematic abuse of his position

[Vod]

Everyone that are fighting the scammers will be "threatened" by those scammers It is normal. Don't worry Vod! You will not be removed from the default trust list, you're a part of the good member in this community .

I would hope not!  I've spent a lot of time tagging scammers and all those three years of work would be wasted.   

I'm confident one lying child will have no affect on my default trust status.

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[worhiper_-_]

Just to be fair, you guys should also point out when people add me to their trust list.

My unbiased trust list (only DefaultTrust) has me up by 2 points since I left the negatives on the MSDN seller's accounts.

Overall, I do good for this forum, and people recognize that.    

Actually, Vod. Depth 2 default trust barely includes you. That's the real DEFAULT trust everyone that doesn't modify it (most people in the forum) has too.

It's just tomatocage that allows you to be in default. More people used to, not any more.

[tidus1097]

Just to be fair, you guys should also point out when people add me to their trust list.

My unbiased trust list (only DefaultTrust) has me up by 2 points since I left the negatives on the MSDN seller's accounts.

Overall, I do good for this forum, and people recognize that.    

Actually, Vod. Depth 2 default trust barely includes you. That's the real DEFAULT trust everyone that doesn't modify it (most people in the forum) has too.

It's just tomatocage that allows you to be in default. More people used to, not any more.

So basically Tomatocage holds Vod's life in his hands right now. I wonder if any discussion has been made if any, or if ones waiting on the other to message them Would love to be a "Fly on the Wall" for this one

[tidus1097]

Just to be fair, you guys should also point out when people add me to their trust list.

My unbiased trust list (only DefaultTrust) has me up by 2 points since I left the negatives on the MSDN seller's accounts.

Overall, I do good for this forum, and people recognize that.    

I also wanted to point this out as well. While you do good on helping the forum, you are held to another set of rules when you take on this undertaking. When your real life and forum life collide, and your using your "Power" for personal life gains or thoughts, then your abusing the trust system thats in place. Your held to a different criteria because of your reputation. If you want to keep that power, you have to abide by the rules that are in place until they are/if changed. I do understand how you would want to try and help with Microsoft, as you said, you've put alot of effort into it and don't want that to be lost. But also, you've put alot of work into this forum and don't want that work to be in vain either I imagine. Basically you've given yourself a ultimatum with the MSDN Keys. Which you decide is up to you, but the choice should reflect the road that you intend to travel. (You can't have your cake and eat it too)

[abyrnes81]

Stop all these bullshit, if you don't trust Vod then put before his name "~" and stop to post and post again in this thread. Totally bullshit, you are acting like kids (not you Vod, I am talking about the OP and the numerous topics in the forum).

[alani123]

Do you people believe that Vod is going to keep his position in default trust if he keeps controversial ratings coming? It's now up to one person, if tomatocage removes him from his trust list he's out.

I personally wouldn't really like to see Vod out of default, but I feel like it's going to happen one day if he doesn't cool off a little bit.

[symantec]

You're both wrong.    I don't have a competing business selling MSDN codes and I haven't been paid anything.  

In any case, I feel this debate has resolved itself.  Have a good day.  

In my opinion, he did use a lot of their powers to impose on all the members of this forum.

If you want to stop all transactions here it is best not to have this forum and should not exist Bitcoin.

Or Do not put the list Marketplace here, Please remove it from forum

[Vod]

Do you people believe that Vod is going to keep his position in default trust if he keeps controversial ratings coming? It's now up to one person, if tomatocage removes him from his trust list he's out.

I personally wouldn't really like to see Vod out of default, but I feel like it's going to happen one day if he doesn't cool off a little bit.

I'm in agreement with you! 

[TECSHARE]

Stop all these bullshit, if you don't trust Vod then put before his name "~" and stop to post and post again in this thread. Totally bullshit, you are acting like kids (not you Vod, I am talking about the OP and the numerous topics in the forum).

Excluding Vod from my trust does not erase the fraudulent negative trust rating he left me, which he previously changed to a neutral under public pressure here. Since he did not like me pointing out his actions towards the key sellers on the forum were abusive, and time has passed, he feels he can get away with abusing his position on the default trust to retaliate against me again because he doesn't like my speech. He is clearly abusing the default trust, ironically in an attempt to try to stop me from pointing out his abuse of the default trust. All of this is detailed in this thread. He has already had a "second" chance in regard to his abuse of the trust system to settle his personal vendettas, and a little time has passed so he feels he can get away with it again. It is the same repeated cycle of behavior with him.

As far as you accusing me of acting like a child, perhaps everyone would like to see the PAGES and PAGES of PMs between you and another trader that bombarded my inbox with bickering over terms where I served as escrow and you could not even be bothered to ask questions BEFORE entering into an agreement and involving a 3rd party. I believe you are here attacking my character because I would not comply to your demands in that case.

Do you people believe that Vod is going to keep his position in default trust if he keeps controversial ratings coming? It's now up to one person, if tomatocage removes him from his trust list he's out.

I personally wouldn't really like to see Vod out of default, but I feel like it's going to happen one day if he doesn't cool off a little bit.

With all of the key seller ratings aside, what about the negative trust rating that Vod left for me is controversial at all? When he originally left it for me, he did it as a form of retribution in an attempt to silence me from pointing out his abusive behavior. Since then people have put pressure on him to change it to a neutral, because as it stood before it was considered abusive and without substance. Now that I have pointed out his excessive  behavior relating to the Microsoft key retailers, suddenly he changes it back to a negative again. He did this solely because I am pointing out his abusive behavior, not because I engaged in any type of scamming behavior. This is abuse of the trust system, especially from someone on the default trust list. In most cases any complaints against Vod are almost universally dismissed without any examination, simply as scammers complaining about being outed and trying to get revenge. In my case he can not simply cast me as a scammer, but he feels he can abuse the trust system to try to make me look like one any way.  

I have been trading here for over three years and I have around 100 positive feedback ratings and I have honored EVERY SINGLE AGREEMENT I entered into demonstrating myself to be a model of honorable trading practices here. Between Vods abusive negative rating and Theymos personally excluding me from the entire default trust tree*, regardless of who within it adds me to their trust list, I now have a +18 trust score.   Does that sound appropriate for a trust system ranking a trader who has had 100 positive ratings and been fronted thousands in value only to honor every agreement made over 3 years of trading? The trust system, as it currently stands, is little more than a way for abusive and controlling individuals ranking highly in the default trust to extort honest traders by exploiting their hard earned reputations as a form of manipulation. Rank high in the trust, then you take that ranking away. Anyone else can be dismissed as a sock or a scammer.


*I was excluded from the entire default trust (not the default trust list) by Theymos for not complying with his demand to remove a rating he did not approve of, yet in the same breath him and all of his minions claim that trust ratings are not moderated. If I am punished for not removing a trust rating with an exclusion by the ADMIN that cascades down the entire default trust, nuking my previously earned trust ratings, how exactly is the trust not moderated? This is just yet another double standard practiced by the staff around here where there are 2 sets of rules, rules for them and theirs, and rules for everybody else. There are no official rules posted anywhere here for a reason, because if they did, they might have to obey them personally.

[Vod]

Excluding Vod from my trust does not erase the fraudulent negative trust rating he left me

I didn't leave you fraudulent negative trust.

BOOM - just like that your entire wall of text loses it's credibility.

Go find a forum you'll enjoy instead of harboring all this hate towards everyone on default trust.   

[TECSHARE]

Excluding Vod from my trust does not erase the fraudulent negative trust rating he left me

I didn't leave you fraudulent negative trust.

BOOM - just like that your entire wall of text loses it's credibility.

Go find a forum you'll enjoy instead of harboring all this hate towards everyone on default trust.  

Vod, please quote the supposed lie I made about you (the reason you left in your trust rating). The trust system is for outing scammers. You claim I am a scammer but you provide no reference or even substance to this claim. It is clear you abuse the system as a form of personal retribution.

BOOM - its just that easy to deny reality. At least I can explain myself. You have nothing but snarky sound byte replies.

[Vod]

Excluding Vod from my trust does not erase the fraudulent negative trust rating he left me

I didn't leave you fraudulent negative trust.

BOOM - just like that your entire wall of text loses it's credibility.

Go find a forum you'll enjoy instead of harboring all this hate towards everyone on default trust.  

Vod, please quote the supposed lie I made about you (the reason you left in your trust rating). The trust system is for outing scammers. You claim I am a scammer but you provide no reference or even substance to this claim. It is clear you abuse the system as a form of personal retribution.

BOOM - its just that easy to deny reality. At least I can explain myself. You have nothing but snarky sound byte replies.

Can you do me a favor and quote it yourself?  Something about me being protected by the forum administrators?

Not going to be bothered looking for it AGAIN when you'll simply ignore it and ask for it again in a couple weeks.   

[TECSHARE]

Excluding Vod from my trust does not erase the fraudulent negative trust rating he left me

I didn't leave you fraudulent negative trust.

BOOM - just like that your entire wall of text loses it's credibility.

Go find a forum you'll enjoy instead of harboring all this hate towards everyone on default trust.   

Vod, please quote the supposed lie I made about you (the reason you left in your trust rating). The trust system is for outing scammers. You claim I am a scammer but you provide no reference or even substance to this claim. It is clear you abuse the system as a form of personal retribution.

BOOM - its just that easy to deny reality. At least I can explain myself. You have nothing but snarky sound byte replies.

Can you do me a favor and quote it yourself?  Something about me being protected by the forum administrators?

Not going to be bothered looking for it AGAIN when you'll simply ignore it and ask for it again in a couple weeks.   

So, let me get this straight, you are now demanding that I quote a lie that YOU claim I made that does not exist?
You can not even provide a reason why you left me a negative rating, because there is none (except to use it to settle your personal squabbles).


I will ask you once again, please quote the EXACT WORDS that you claim I supposedly used when lying about you. You left me a negative rating, why is it that you can not substantiate the one and only claim you make in it?

[Vod]

I will ask you once again, please quote the EXACT WORDS that you claim I supposedly used when lying about you. You left me a negative rating, why is it that you can not substantiate the one and only claim you make in it?

I'll tell you again - you've posted I'm protected by the forum admins at least a dozen times - go find one and quote it. 

[Snagglebone]

Yes HostFat removed Vod from his trust list :

He actually excluded him from his trust list. However in order for him to be excluded from the default trust network an additional person on level one default trust would need to exclude him. Even if he is excluded though his ratings would still show up for a lot of people because so many people have tomatocage on their trust list.

I am not sure if Vod should be removed though. I do think he shouldn't apply such a liberal use of the negative trust button though.

Why should VOD not apply such liberal use of the negative trust? You should be able to use the trust system as you wish, or so we're told, since it's hands off and a free-for-all as far as trust goes, according to the site ops and moderators.

The problem is not VOD and his liberal use of the trust button, it's the fact that DefaultTrust exists. It needs to go away. The "default trust" should be "trust no one." People should build up their own trust lists and there should not be a set of people, some of which are not trustworthy, trusted by default when you sign up. The trust system is opaque enough as it is, so people leave it alone, which means they are stuck with the DefaultTrust. A new users trust list should be completely blank and detailed instructions left on the trust page to explain to them what it is and how to use it.

We should not be calling out or penalizing users for their use of the trust system as it is designed. Either change the design or fix the problem, and the problem here is the fact that DefaultTrust exists.

[TECSHARE]

I will ask you once again, please quote the EXACT WORDS that you claim I supposedly used when lying about you. You left me a negative rating, why is it that you can not substantiate the one and only claim you make in it?

I'll tell you again - you've posted I'm protected by the forum admins at least a dozen times - go find one and quote it. 

Excuse me, but YOU are the one making the claim, and you have NOT EVEN ONCE made a direct quote from me about you that is a lie. The burden of proof is ON YOU, you made the claim. Your little diversionary games are very transparent.

[Vod]

I will ask you once again, please quote the EXACT WORDS that you claim I supposedly used when lying about you. You left me a negative rating, why is it that you can not substantiate the one and only claim you make in it?

I'll tell you again - you've posted I'm protected by the forum admins at least a dozen times - go find one and quote it. 

Excuse me, but YOU are the one making the claim, and you have NOT EVEN ONCE made a direct quote from me about you that is a lie. The burden of proof is ON YOU, you made the claim. Your little diversionary games are very transparent.

Well then you can look right through them and not be bothered. 

[Wardrick]

Holy shit can we please stop with the he said she said bullshit. When you make a thread or post provide evidence to back up your claims or else stop arguing. It's getting really old and annoying.

[TECSHARE]

I am still waiting for you to provide ANY substance to your rating Vod. Your constant excuses and diversions when asked for a reference are quite transparent. You can not do it because you know very well you left it as a form of retribution, not because I did anything scammy.

Found one on the 8th page of this thread.  There are dozens floating around.

The lack of action here by the staff is clear evidence of his protected position regardless of how much he abuses the trust system.

Tecshare, Badbear removed me from his trust list.  I do not have a protected position on default trust.  Stop lying about me.

Ok, what lie did I make about you? Please tell me exactly what is untrue about that statement? You are still on the default trust list, one person removing you does not change that.

[Vod]

I am still waiting for you to provide ANY substance to your rating Vod. Your constant excuses and diversions when asked for a reference are quite transparent. You can not do it because you know very well you left it as a form of retribution, not because I did anything scammy.

Found one on the 8th page of this thread.  There are dozens floating around.

The lack of action here by the staff is clear evidence of his protected position regardless of how much he abuses the trust system.

Tecshare, Badbear removed me from his trust list.  I do not have a protected position on default trust.  Stop lying about me.

I'll go add the reference to the trust now and put this to rest.