VOD should be removed from default trust for systematic abuse of his position

[TECSHARE]

I am still waiting for you to provide ANY substance to your rating Vod. Your constant excuses and diversions when asked for a reference are quite transparent. You can not do it because you know very well you left it as a form of retribution, not because I did anything scammy.

Found one on the 8th page of this thread.  There are dozens floating around.

The lack of action here by the staff is clear evidence of his protected position regardless of how much he abuses the trust system.

Tecshare, Badbear removed me from his trust list.  I do not have a protected position on default trust.  Stop lying about me.

I'll go add the reference to the trust now and put this to rest.  

Ok, you go ahead and do that. Dozens, that's funny, yet you resisted so hard to provide even a single example. I wonder why.

Since when is "lying" a justified use of the trust system from someone on the position of the default trust list? How exactly does this make me a scammer even if your almost nonexistent pretenses were true?

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[Vod]

I am still waiting for you to provide ANY substance to your rating Vod. Your constant excuses and diversions when asked for a reference are quite transparent. You can not do it because you know very well you left it as a form of retribution, not because I did anything scammy.

Found one on the 8th page of this thread.  There are dozens floating around.

The lack of action here by the staff is clear evidence of his protected position regardless of how much he abuses the trust system.

Tecshare, Badbear removed me from his trust list.  I do not have a protected position on default trust.  Stop lying about me.

I'll go add the reference to the trust now and put this to rest.  

Ok, you go ahead and do that. Dozens, that's funny, yet you resisted so hard to provide even a single example. I wonder why.

Since when is "lying" a justified use of the trust system from someone on the position of the default trust list? How exactly does this make me a scammer even if your almost nonexistent pretenses were true?

Your constant lying (continuing even to this day) makes you untrustworthy.  Doesn't make you a scammer - it's not called the SCAMMER LIST.

[Quickseller]

I don't see the connection between TECSHARE supposedly lying about Vod being protected by the staff regarding his status on the default trust list and scamming. I don't even see the connection between TECSHARE supposedly lying about Vod being protected by the staff regarding his status on the default trust list and getting Vod removed from the default trust network.

[TECSHARE]

I don't see the connection between TECSHARE supposedly lying about Vod being protected by the staff regarding his status on the default trust list and scamming. I don't even see the connection between TECSHARE supposedly lying about Vod being protected by the staff regarding his status on the default trust list and getting Vod removed from the default trust network.

Because it is not a lie, Vod is just looking for any of the flimsiest of pretexts to have an excuse for using his position on the default trust to settle his little petty personal annoyances.

[Vod]

I don't see the connection between TECSHARE supposedly lying about Vod being protected by the staff regarding his status on the default trust list and scamming. I don't even see the connection between TECSHARE supposedly lying about Vod being protected by the staff regarding his status on the default trust list and getting Vod removed from the default trust network.

Because it is not a lie, Vod is just looking for any of the flimsiest of pretexts to have an excuse for using his position on the default trust to settle his little petty personal annoyances.

Not a lie?  I'm actually protected by the staff?     

[Quickseller]

I don't see the connection between TECSHARE supposedly lying about Vod being protected by the staff regarding his status on the default trust list and scamming. I don't even see the connection between TECSHARE supposedly lying about Vod being protected by the staff regarding his status on the default trust list and getting Vod removed from the default trust network.

Because it is not a lie, Vod is just looking for any of the flimsiest of pretexts to have an excuse for using his position on the default trust to settle his little petty personal annoyances.

Well lie or not, I still don't think there is any connection.

[TECSHARE]

Not a lie?  I'm actually protected by the staff?    

You are still on the default trust list even after exhibiting repeated abusive behavior...

You do not agree with my opinion, that does not make it a lie, even if it was a lie, that is not a legitimate use of a negative rating from some one on the default trust. You even admitted it here yourself when you changed it from a negative to a neutral the FIRST time you did this.

VOD clearly didn't remove those ratings because he "realized the error of his ways" or something, he did it because the community finally stepped up and called him on his bullshit, even if the staff made sure they were looking the other way.

Actually, no.  I removed the ratings for you and tak because I realized I shouldn't use negative feedback for personal gut feelings.

[Vod]

We'll never see eye to eye.  You'll keep twisting my words and lying about me no matter what I post or do.

I've proven my negative feedback is legit and not based on personal feelings.  I'm doing everyone a favor and putting this to rest.  You may continue. 

[TECSHARE]

Not a lie?  I'm actually protected by the staff?    

You referenced a post from this thread as your reference for why you posted your trust rating for me, but your original trust rating was posted BEFORE THIS THREAD, otherwise why would I open a topic abut your negative rating if you had not made it yet? Just because you deleted it and reposted it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Can you tell me why the negative rating was left BEFORE I stated this so called lie about you? If you weren't referencing something in the future what exactly were you referencing. Funny how your explanation just gets tagged on later as you make it up as you go along to justify your abuse of the trust system.

 I am curious how exactly this thread itself is justification for the negative trust rating you left for me when the entire purpose of this thread is to point out your negative rating for me and how it is abusive. This is clearly nonsensical and circular logic.

Your original negative rating for me:

Once again VOD has gone too far and has now left me negative trust because he did not like the fact I criticized his abuse of the trust system. In order to prove he does not abuse the trust system he has abused the trust system to leave me a negative rating:

Vod 16: -0 / +9(9)   2015-01-06  0.00000000    "Constantly posts lies about me in an effort to have me removed from the default trust list. Honest discussion is one thing, but he just posts BS with absolutely no basis.

Not trustworthy."

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=15728

Your reference: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=915823.msg10060458#msg10060458

[Vod]

I am simply pointing out that it is far easier to attack me rather than some one like you whom, it might be fair to say is in "the good old boys" network,

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=846683.msg9454243#msg9454243
November 06, 2014, 01:56:46 AM

Like I posted, there are dozens of examples, some that precede my leaving you negative trust (obviously).  I just don't care to search for them all - you may feel free to.

This debate has run it's course and is over.  

[TECSHARE]

I am simply pointing out that it is far easier to attack me rather than some one like you whom, it might be fair to say is in "the good old boys" network,

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=846683.msg9454243#msg9454243
November 06, 2014, 01:56:46 AM

Like I posted, there are dozens of examples, some that precede my leaving you negative trust (obviously).  I just don't care to search for them all - you may feel free to.

This debate has run it's course and is over.  

Oh I see, so your story has changed now. Amazing how that works after I demonstrate your inconsistencies. I don't need dozens of examples, I need one comment that you can verify as a lie (not that that is an excuse for neg rating me but the fact that you can't provide this demonstrates your disingenuous reasons for leaving the rating).

Please tell me how this is a lie about you, and how you can demonstrate it is false, otherwise you are just trying to fluff up your personal revenge with empty window dressing.

Proof Vod changed the rating to a negative as a direct result of my criticism of his behavior when mass negging key sellers in a related thread. Some one takes notice of his neutral rating for me, suddenly he feels it should be changed back to negative as he is enraged because I dare to challenge him:

2. I see he left a neutral feedback instead of a negative on your account. Weird.

You know what?   That is weird.  I have corrected it.  

He is using the trust system to attempt to silence anyone critical of his actions.

[redsn0w]

Come on guys, Vod willl be never removed from the default trust (level 2 -depth). In these days I have seen the Meta section full of topics about "Vod", can you stopl please? Thanks.

[marcotheminer]

Come on guys, Vod willl be never removed from the default trust (level 2 -depth). In these days I have seen the Meta section full of topics about "Vod", can you stopl please? Thanks.

/thread. Now lock the topic and move on with your life guys.

[TECSHARE]

Come on guys, Vod willl be never removed from the default trust (level 2 -depth). In these days I have seen the Meta section full of topics about "Vod", can you stopl please? Thanks.

Tell me please, what do those other threads about Vod have to do with me? I didn't start them, why are they my responsibility? Why is it because a lot of other people make threads accusing him some how my complaint has less value? That doesn't sound at all like you are reviewing the facts but simply letting your confirmation bias take its course. Don't you think the continual stack of complaints against Vod might be a symptom of his behavior instead of just being a petty nuisance for you to read so many thread titles with his name in it?

Vod clearly abused his position on the default trust to silence me from speaking out about his abuse. He can't even explain his rating without contradicting himself. Him abusing my reputation costs you nothing, so frankly your opinion is meaningless to me because in reality it doesn't effect you to just pretend he isn't abusing his position on the default trust list. I have a right to bring his abuse to public light regardless of your opinions on the matter. If you don't like all the threads about Vod, perhaps Vod's behavior has something to do with it and you should address him.

I am simply pointing out that it is far easier to attack me rather than some one like you whom, it might be fair to say is in "the good old boys" network,

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=846683.msg9454243#msg9454243
November 06, 2014, 01:56:46 AM

Like I posted, there are dozens of examples, some that precede my leaving you negative trust (obviously).  I just don't care to search for them all - you may feel free to.

This debate has run it's course and is over.  

Oh I see, so your story has changed now. Amazing how that works after I demonstrate your inconsistencies. I don't need dozens of examples, I need one comment that you can verify as a lie (not that that is an excuse for neg rating me but the fact that you can't provide this demonstrates your disingenuous reasons for leaving the rating).

Please tell me how this is a lie about you, and how you can demonstrate it is false, otherwise you are just trying to fluff up your personal revenge with empty window dressing.

Proof Vod changed the rating to a negative as a direct result of my criticism of his behavior when mass negging key sellers in a related thread. Some one takes notice of his neutral rating for me, suddenly he feels it should be changed back to negative as he is enraged because I dare to challenge him:

2. I see he left a neutral feedback instead of a negative on your account. Weird.

You know what?   That is weird.  I have corrected it.  

He is using the trust system to attempt to silence anyone critical of his actions.

It is quite convenient that Vod declares the debate over right as I prove his claims have no substance by demonstrating the inconsistencies in his own statements. You still have not responded as to why this is a lie about you. You have not provided even a single justification for your rating for me that you conveniently decided to make a negative in the middle of a discussion about your abusive behavior that I was a party to. Of course it is because I "lied" about you, not because you are annoyed that I am exposing your abusive actions and you want me to stop talking about it.

[jonald_fyookball]

I think marco is right...time to end
the thread...you made your point. 

[alani123]

TECSHARE, I agree with you to some extent. It seemed like Vod abused his advantage of being in the trust list.

But after all this backlash that he received he gave a very clear chance to people dealing MSDN keys. He removed his negative trust rating from people that stopped selling those keys and didn't bother more with those that didn't.
 
I'd suggest giving this topic some rest. Vod probably learned his lesson. It's just tomatocage that keeps him in level 2 default trust now after this incident. If Vod causes another uproar within this forum it's very likely that he'll eventually lose his position in the default trust list.

[TECSHARE]

TECSHARE, I agree with you to some extent. It seemed like Vod abused his advantage of being in the trust list.

But after all this backlash that he received he gave a very clear chance to people dealing MSDN keys. He removed his negative trust rating from people that stopped selling those keys and didn't bother more with those that didn't.
 
I'd suggest giving this topic some rest. Vod probably learned his lesson. It's just tomatocage that keeps him in level 2 default trust now after this incident. If Vod causes another uproar within this forum it's very likely that he'll eventually lose his position in the default trust list.

First of all the MSDN keys have nothing to do with me other than the fact I spoke in related threads. How he handled that situation has nothing to do with his negative rating for me, where he also abused his position in the default trust list. However, in the course of me discussing the MSDN key situation, he did not like the fact that I was critical of him so he suddenly declared in the middle of a related thread he was giving me a negative. He didn't neg rate me for "lying" about some long past event which he can't even seem to name, he clearly did it to use his authority to retaliate for calling out his abusive behavior.

VOD has abused the trust system against me personally in the past in an attempt to extort me into silence about his abusive behavior. I am a firsthand witness to his harassment. In my opinion he should not have the authority of the default trust list because he demonstrates he is willing to abuse it over and over again for little to no reason. That is why I am "doing this". ( I know putting words together in a sentence is hard, clearly I must have strong motivations for it)

1. Again, I had no intentions to do that. I'm just unaware of what's happening with the trust system and want to know.
2. I see he left a neutral feedback instead of a negative on your account. Weird.

You know what?   That is weird.  I have corrected it.  

I DID already drop this subject once, after he changed his negative rating to a neutral previously. Clearly he did not "learn his lesson" the first time when he was given a "second" chance, because here we are AGAIN:

Once again VOD has gone too far and has now left me negative trust because he did not like the fact I criticized his abuse of the trust system. In order to prove he does not abuse the trust system he has abused the trust system to leave me a negative rating:

Vod 16: -0 / +9(9)   2015-01-06  0.00000000    "Constantly posts lies about me in an effort to have me removed from the default trust list. Honest discussion is one thing, but he just posts BS with absolutely no basis.

Not trustworthy."
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=15728

And don't forget the other people he did this too, documented earlier in this thread alone:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=915823.msg10058903#msg10058903
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=915823.msg10069566#msg10069566


Technically this would be his 4th or 5th chance at least, yet he still keeps exhibiting the same behavior, and people like you still make excuses for him.

[TECSHARE]

I have two ways I can handle TECSHARE lying about me and doing me harm.

1) I can counter his posts over and over in all the *many* threads he spams his BS about me
2) I can leave negative trust in one spot since I don't trust people who pathologically lie about me.

I chose 1 since 2 would disrupt the forum.  TECSHARE already does enough of that.

TECSHARE and his shills know they lie about me.  They know they deserve the negative.  Since TECSHARE's goal is to troll me as long as possible, I'm not going to discuss this further.  Everyone who hates me can keep this thread alive.

1) I haven't lied about you, even once - I noticed you can not provide a single example. I don't see how you actually providing an example disrupts the forum. This is just a vague baseless accusation that you refuse to flesh out (because it never happened).

2) Me pointing out your abuse of the default trust is not lying about you, and this is clearly an attempt to punish me using the default trust system for taking about your abuse of the trust system. This has nothing to do with lying or trolling - this is you using this community as a cudgel to attack people who rightly criticize your actions.

My goal was never to troll you regardless if you really believe that, but rather point out that you are allowed by the staff to freely abuse the trust system without repercussion, and your actions against me demonstrate this.

This quote from January when Vod did this to me the first time sums up the situation pretty well.

He claims:
1. I am lying about him ("lies" which he has trouble identifying, and can't seem to demonstrate as false)
2. Those alleged lies resulted in harm (again, he can not demonstrate any harm I have caused him)

Therefore his only recourse was to mark me as a scammmer in direct contradiction of the directions clearly stated when leaving trust? Theymos has already established "lying" about someone is not a suitable reason to leave a trust rating for someone who occupies the default trust:

I was removed from level two trust for leaving feedback on a person who was lying and trying to extort money from me. I felt that made the person i left negative feedback on untrustworthy in my eyes but i was still removed.

Why is it that Vod is not also subject to these same standards held for every one else? Why is it that he has already done this once, and did it AGAIN, yet people are still making excuses for him?

[Fuck You Vod 2]

A request for tomatocage

[Vod]

A request for tomatocage

lol that was funny!

Even the guy who records whatever you put in front of him thought it was nonsense!