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January 12, 2015, 03:56:53 PM
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After spending the past year in a Brooklyn federal prison, Ross Ulbricht will finally head to a New York City court on Tuesday where prosecutors will try to prove he is the mastermind behind the anonymous billion-dollar online drug market Silk ​Road.

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/heres-what-to-expect-from-the-silk-road-trial?utm_source=mbfb
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After spending the past year in a Brooklyn federal prison, Ross Ulbricht will finally head to a New York City court on Tuesday where prosecutors will try to prove he is the mastermind behind the anonymous billion-dollar online drug market Silk ​Road.

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/heres-what-to-expect-from-the-silk-road-trial?utm_source=mbfb

Is there any doubt he is the mastermind at this stage, lets hope they go easy on him but i fear it cant get any better then shrem.
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January 12, 2015, 04:19:54 PM
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After spending the past year in a Brooklyn federal prison, Ross Ulbricht will finally head to a New York City court on Tuesday where prosecutors will try to prove he is the mastermind behind the anonymous billion-dollar online drug market Silk ​Road.

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/heres-what-to-expect-from-the-silk-road-trial?utm_source=mbfb

Is there any doubt he is the mastermind at this stage, lets hope they go easy on him but i fear it cant get any better then shrem.

You don't doubt that he's the mastermind yet you think he should get off easy?  He's a criminal that probably deserves to spend a very long time in prison.
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January 12, 2015, 04:22:13 PM
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I don't think they have to do too much 'proving' as it seems it's pretty clear he was responsible and they pretty much caught him red handed, but what is interesting is what charges he can weasel out of if any and how long he gets. I'll be following this trial closely.
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January 12, 2015, 04:51:00 PM
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It will be interesting to see what actually sticks. The literal "throwing the book" plus Dick Francis, Tom Clancy, Clive Cussler etc fictional embellishments, trick is getting "old".

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From http://www.justice.gov/usao/nys/pressreleases/February14/RossUlbrichtIndictmentPR/US%20v.%20Ross%20Ulbricht%20Indictment.pdf:
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UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
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UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

         - V. -

ROSS WILLIAM ULBRICHT,
     a/k/a "Dread Pirate Roberts,"
     a/k/a "DPR,"
     a/k/a "Silk Road,"

          Defendant.

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...



In court...

Judge: How do you plead?

Ross: I require pen and paper, and leave of court for 5 minutes to prepare my answer.

Judge: Granted.



NOTICE TO THE COURT

Firstly: i, a man, ross william ulbright, am not represented, do not represent myself, am present.

Secondly: If any man/woman claim wrongdoing angainst me, i wish, order and demand that man/woman present and verify his/her claim against me in open court of record.

Thirdly: If no man/woman verify claim against me, and/or;

Fourthly: if verified claim is not attached to me, then;

Fifthly: i require return of my property, and;

Sixthly: i require payment to me in the amount of Two Million Dollars ($2,000,000) in repayment for enslavement and involuntary servitude, by UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

Seventhly: i, say here, and will verify in open court, that all herein be true.


SIGNED
DATED



The attorney for the United States is sworn in and takes the stand.

Ross: Are you UNITED STATES OF AMERICA?

Attorney: No. I have been authorized by the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA to present the case before you.

Ross: Do you have a claim of wrongdoing that I did against you, that you will verify here today in open court?

Attorney: No. I am here to present complaints by the UNITED STATES...

Ross to the judge: Your honor, since this attorney is not the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA as attested to by his own testimony, and since he (she) has claimed by testimony that i have done no wrong to him(her), i wish require this attorney to step down from the stand.

[The attorney steps down.]

Ross: As stated in my NOTICE TO THE COURT, "If any man/woman claim wrongdoing angainst me, i wish, order and demand that man/woman present and verify his/her claim against me in open court of record."

[Nobody takes the stand]

Ross: As stated in my NOTICE TO THE COURT, "i require return of my property. i require payment to me in the amount of Two Million Dollars ($2,000,000) in repayment for enslavement and involuntary servitude, by UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.



Obviously things wouldn't go quite as smoothly as this, but with the help of Karl Lentz at http://www.broadmind.org/ this process can have Ross done and out of court very rapidly, with return of freedom, and return of his property.

If the courts fail to follow their own rules, Karl will have Ross earning a lot more than $2,000,000 off them. Somebody needs to slip Ross a note telling him that he is being screwed by his attorneys, and that he should contact Karl. Karl is a free man, so nobody knows for sure what he might do. But there's a good chance Karl would love this opportunity, and if he does, he will charge only a token fee for his services, far less than any attorneys, yet having far greater success.

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January 12, 2015, 06:29:39 PM
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You don't doubt that he's the mastermind yet you think he should get off easy?  He's a criminal that probably deserves to spend a very long time in prison.

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January 12, 2015, 06:32:56 PM
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From "How to handle an Arraignment" at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy8w3wrvHsY :
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Karl: Ok, look at this way; I’m suing the federal court for gazillion dollars.  They handed me two orders and one was 7 pages long and one was 9 pages long.  You know what I did?  I didn’t read them.  Why?  Why bother?  Because it’s all legalese and I don’t speak legalese.  So this is what I am saying: you are reading all this stuff that they are writing back to you and you are trying to figure it out. Me?  I don’t waste my time.  To me, I am asking, is this common law?  Yes or no?  There is nothing in that order that could be handed down except from a verdict by a jury.  So if I don’t see a verdict from a jury I don’t see anything.  So I laugh when these guys are sending me orders.  I look at the last page just to see if it is actually signed by a man and it’s not; it’s all rubber stamped with the signature of the guy (judge).  

Karl:  I don’t bother reading that stuff because I’m not going to let it get me upset because it has nothing to do with me as a man.   So, I am saying while we still have a common law country, use it.  Just drag it over to the common law side. The claim is going to go above their complaint so your claim is going to get heard first.  That’s how it works in law.  Whoever has paperwork go in last is the first thing heard in court.  So they already have a complaint, warrant or whatever nonsense against you.  Now you are going to come in and put in an original claim.  You are not going to file a counter claim or make a cross complaint.   You are going to file an original claim that says, "they are administrating my property without rights; they are trying to tell me what to do and they have no right to do it." They are gong to say that they have a right under this code.  NO.

Karl:  You don’t have rights under a code; you have duties, obligations or privileges under a code.   You (meaning they) don’t have rights; only a man has rights.  A code is not rights and a code is not law.  This is so simple, it’s scary.  The government comes after you and they have no right to come after you.   You have to establish that.  My lawsuit is so simple:  "I a man claim I have been harmed and I have rights and those are secured by the Constitution."  There you go; that’s it.  I’m done.  I don’t have to give them my name.  You see cases such as Anonymous vs. Anonymous or John Doe vs. John Doe.  You don’t have to give them your name if you don’t want you; you just say, "I am a man."  Then the jury will come down and the jury will decide the matter.  You have the right to move any claim, any complaint or any case against you.

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January 12, 2015, 06:40:48 PM
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They caught the dude swith his laptop open signed in as administrator. He was facilitating the sale of drugs online and not paying taxes on his earnings.

Last time I checked those are serious crimes.

He knew what he was doing and took the risk anyway.

Don't cry for him.
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January 12, 2015, 06:46:25 PM
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They caught the dude swith his laptop open signed in as administrator. He was facilitating the sale of drugs online and not paying taxes on his earnings.

Last time I checked those are serious crimes.

He knew what he was doing and took the risk anyway.

Don't cry for him.

They are not crimes. People might call them crimes, but they are not.

They are code violations. Unless he is employed by government, or unless he is a government official, or unless he has signed a contract with government to not do what he did, he is not liable for code violations.

Nobody is liable for code violations without a contract. People are only liable for "wrongdoing," which is harming someone or damaging his property. The reason government wins in cases like this is, few people stand up as a man/woman and require their rights.

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January 12, 2015, 07:57:44 PM
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You don't doubt that he's the mastermind yet you think he should get off easy?  He's a criminal that probably deserves to spend a very long time in prison.

You're addressing people who actually think anarchy is a viable social solution.  Good luck with that.   Grin

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They caught the dude swith his laptop open signed in as administrator. He was facilitating the sale of drugs online and not paying taxes on his earnings.

Last time I checked those are serious crimes.

He knew what he was doing and took the risk anyway.

Don't cry for him.

They are not crimes. People might call them crimes, but they are not.

They are code violations. Unless he is employed by government, or unless he is a government official, or unless he has signed a contract with government to not do what he did, he is not liable for code violations.

Nobody is liable for code violations without a contract. People are only liable for "wrongdoing," which is harming someone or damaging his property. The reason government wins in cases like this is, few people stand up as a man/woman and require their rights.

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He did damage the goverment "property" as he didn't pay taxes from his "shop".

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From "How to handle an Arraignment" at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy8w3wrvHsY


This is poor advice and rarely works in real life. Courts don't respect common law and the justice system is corrupt and rarely follow their own laws. It is far better to get a high priced lawyer who knows how to manipulate popular opinion and the corrupt system or not participate at all.

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January 12, 2015, 08:18:54 PM
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They caught the dude swith his laptop open signed in as administrator. He was facilitating the sale of drugs online and not paying taxes on his earnings.

Last time I checked those are serious crimes.

He knew what he was doing and took the risk anyway.

Don't cry for him.

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They caught the dude swith his laptop open signed in as administrator. He was facilitating the sale of drugs online and not paying taxes on his earnings.

Last time I checked those are serious crimes.

He knew what he was doing and took the risk anyway.

Don't cry for him.

Good for him, he was an important instrument in taking drugs and violence off the streets and providing a valuable service to millions.

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From "How to handle an Arraignment" at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy8w3wrvHsY


This is poor advice and rarely works in real life. Courts don't respect common law and the justice system is corrupt and rarely follow their own laws. It is far better to get a high priced lawyer who knows how to manipulate popular opinion and the corrupt system or not participate at all.

That's right. Things like this don't "work."

When a judge or attorney or prosecutor goes against the law and the rules of the court, he has to shut you up fast. Why? Because you have your copy of his actions that you can uses against him. And if he doesn't take you out right then and there, you will come and take him out by using his own stuff against him, as proof positive that he acted unlawfully.

Karl doesn't get messed with. No judge is going to outguess him. He has enough experience and guts that the judge will only dig himself in deeper.

The neat thing about this is, Karl is training a whole bunch of us to do the same things that he does. And because there are a bunch of us now, we all stand together, holding up the legal actions of each other.

Stay in the slavery if you want. But there are a whole bunch of us who don't like it this way. And we are doing something about it, legally and lawfully.

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January 12, 2015, 08:33:05 PM
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DPR knew the risks and is getting unfairly punished.  DPR is not much different than a "Sovereign Citizen."  These beliefs, while contrary to law, are not something we need to spend millions prosecuting.  Paying your taxes is an obligation and not paying them is a crime (while taking all of the benefits of tax payment).  At the same time, he's no Aaron Swartz but it is an injustice to punish him so severely for a victimless crime.  He did displace violent criminals with an operation that catered to demands from adult humans willing to also undertake risks.  Society needs to better implement its laws to avoid injustice at all ends of the spectrum.
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Also everybody has right to do whatever they want (with their body for example) as long as they don't harm other so why are drugs forbidden but most harmful one (alcohol) to society and the body is legal one?

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That's right. Things like this don't "work."

When a judge or attorney or prosecutor goes against the law and the rules of the court, he has to shut you up fast. Why? Because you have your copy of his actions that you can uses against him. And if he doesn't take you out right then and there, you will come and take him out by using his own stuff against him, as proof positive that he acted unlawfully.

Karl doesn't get messed with. No judge is going to outguess him. He has enough experience and guts that the judge will only dig himself in deeper.

The neat thing about this is, Karl is training a whole bunch of us to do the same things that he does. And because there are a bunch of us now, we all stand together, holding up the legal actions of each other.

Stay in the slavery if you want. But there are a whole bunch of us who don't like it this way. And we are doing something about it, legally and lawfully.

Smiley

I am an anarchist and believe your intentions are well placed but my suggestion is made because many of my brethren have been locked up and harmed using these common law techniques.

watch this or read the book for some background into what happens when you play by their rules:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cw3-s172yA4

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January 12, 2015, 08:42:14 PM
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DPR knew the risks and is getting unfairly punished.  DPR is not much different than a "Sovereign Citizen."  These beliefs, while contrary to law, are not something we need to spend millions prosecuting.  Paying your taxes is an obligation and not paying them is a crime (while taking all of the benefits of tax payment).  At the same time, he's no Aaron Swartz but it is an injustice to punish him so severely for a victimless crime.  He did displace violent criminals with an operation that catered to demands from adult humans willing to also undertake risks.  Society needs to better implement its laws to avoid injustice at all ends of the spectrum.

Paying your taxes isn't the question. Obviously, if the taxes are yours, then pay them. The question is, how do taxes get to be yours? The answer is, one way. You agree that they are yours. That's it. If you don't agree, then they aren't yours.

The IRS and law enforcement will make all kinds of threats, tell you all kinds of lies, put all kinds of pressure on you, until they trick you into saying that the taxes are yours. Once you believe they are yours, there is little way for you to be convinced that they are not. Why? Because you BELIEVE it.

Go the other direction. Make them prove that the taxes are yours. Then, drop back on the common law and get them, as people, to show you the damage and harm you have done to them individually when you don't pay. Did they get cut? Did they get a broken bone? How were they harmed? Prove it and prove that it was you that harmed them.

Quit playing devil's advocate for a bunch of IRS and government criminals that are trying to make slaves of us all.

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