I found out some very bad news in the family

[Clipse]

Madness, my spelling in that response went to crap, 4am mornings starting to hit me bad.

[pekv2]

Madness, my spelling in that response went to crap, 4am mornings starting to hit me bad.

Over [allways]? meh, don't even bother LoL, I spell checked it with my eyes, from what I seen, all I caught was [allways]

[AndrewBUD]

That's tough.... I could imagine... My son has been in and out of the hospital a few times in his life..... about a year ago he was diagnosed type 1 diabetic..... he'll be two in August....

Oh omy. That's just terrible, man. How is he doing now? Kicking it out? < meaning doing ok.

our little guy is a trooper.... at under 2 years old he's close to testing his own blood sugar and never cries when he's getting his insulin shot... He's tougher then i'll ever be....

[organofcorti]

Marijuana for a child with a possible mental illness? Are you serious?

Firstly, giving any child a mind altering substance is something that should only be done with a psychiatrists' input, and as a last resort. Secondly, don't give a drug that can cause anxiety to a person displaying symptoms of an emotional disorder. Thirdly, don't give marijuana to a person who is at risk of a psychosis.

I'm not sure what institutions are like in your country. In mine they vary a bit, and tend to graduate inmates to half way houses as soon as they're ready for the public. It wouldn't be my first choice as a place to live.

But - and this is the terrible choice here - do you wait for a tragedy to occur first? If not an institution, then there'd need to be full time carers and minimal exposure to the public.

I don't envy you, and I hope there's another option. Pot is not that other option though.

[AndrewBUD]

you think Marijuana is mind altering? are you serious?



Booze is mind altering... I could not drink 20 beers and act normal BUT I could smoke 20 joints and act normal with a little bit of munchies attached


are cigarettes mind altering.... ^ this is why marijuana has such a bad name...... people believe all the shit talk about it.....

[organofcorti]

you think Marijuana is mind altering? are you serious?



Booze is mind altering... I could not drink 20 beers and act normal BUT I could smoke 20 joints and act normal with a little bit of munchies attached


are cigarettes mind altering.... ^ this is why marijuana has such a bad name...... people believe all the shit talk about it.....

So why use it if it doesn't change your mood? Of course it is mind altering. Anything that changes the way your mind works is. Like alcohol, cigarettes, high sugar foods, caffeine.

As a hypothetical I think I'd be more likely to agree to have surgery from a cigarette smoker or coffee drinker than an alcoholic or a pot smoker though.

[Clipse]

I have to agree with organofcorti.

Mind altering drugs even as silly as coffee is bad for anyone who havnt hit puberty yet, their minds are still very fragile and brains are adapting/learning at speed of light every day but adding stimulants to the mix could be degenerate very quickly for them.

This is why young kids have ADD quite often, it doesnt help boosting that natural disorder.

[Gareth Nelson]

Marijuana for a child with a possible mental illness? Are you serious?

Firstly, giving any child a mind altering substance is something that should only be done with a psychiatrists' input, and as a last resort. Secondly, don't give a drug that can cause anxiety to a person displaying symptoms of an emotional disorder. Thirdly, don't give marijuana to a person who is at risk of a psychosis.

I'm not sure what institutions are like in your country. In mine they vary a bit, and tend to graduate inmates to half way houses as soon as they're ready for the public. It wouldn't be my first choice as a place to live.

But - and this is the terrible choice here - do you wait for a tragedy to occur first? If not an institution, then there'd need to be full time carers and minimal exposure to the public.

I don't envy you, and I hope there's another option. Pot is not that other option though.

This

THC is a bad bad idea for anyone with a risk of psychosis and even worse in such a young child.

My advice would be an anti-psychotic - these drugs are specifically DESIGNED for things like this.

[Matthew N. Wright]

I'm sorry about the situation. That is just too bad for that to happen to anyone. 

As a side note, I acted like him when I was 7 too. I threw dishes at my sisters in rage. I grew out of it.

I also had a friend though who was a devout Catholic, studying at Notre Dame to be a priest, had brain surgery when he got in a car crash, and came out wondering who is family was and why he did what he did before, didn't know why he believed in god in the first place and now considers it silly, etc.

The human brain is a scary thing.

[AndrewBUD]

you think Marijuana is mind altering? are you serious?



Booze is mind altering... I could not drink 20 beers and act normal BUT I could smoke 20 joints and act normal with a little bit of munchies attached


are cigarettes mind altering.... ^ this is why marijuana has such a bad name...... people believe all the shit talk about it.....

So why use it if it doesn't change your mood? Of course it is mind altering. Anything that changes the way your mind works is. Like alcohol, cigarettes, high sugar foods, caffeine.

As a hypothetical I think I'd be more likely to agree to have surgery from a cigarette smoker or coffee drinker than an alcoholic or a pot smoker though.

I will have to say that those are all minor things.. I am talking mind altering... as in you can't act like yourself... MOST prescribed drugs have worse side affects then any amount of marijuana.  If I take 1 10mg valium I have a hang over for 2 days from one pill.. Think of the side affects from someone taking that stuff numerous times daily.

I was a pretty bad kid to... I enjoyed settings fires and fighting, I grew out of it..... Have been self medicating with marijuana for 10+ years...

[organofcorti]

you think Marijuana is mind altering? are you serious?



Booze is mind altering... I could not drink 20 beers and act normal BUT I could smoke 20 joints and act normal with a little bit of munchies attached


are cigarettes mind altering.... ^ this is why marijuana has such a bad name...... people believe all the shit talk about it.....

So why use it if it doesn't change your mood? Of course it is mind altering. Anything that changes the way your mind works is. Like alcohol, cigarettes, high sugar foods, caffeine.

As a hypothetical I think I'd be more likely to agree to have surgery from a cigarette smoker or coffee drinker than an alcoholic or a pot smoker though.

I will have to say that those are all minor things.. I am talking mind altering... as in you can't act like yourself... MOST prescribed drugs have worse side affects then any amount of marijuana.  If I take 1 10mg valium I have a hang over for 2 days from one pill.. Think of the side affects from someone taking that stuff numerous times daily.

You're wrong in almost every important respect.

"Mind altering" is not defined as "When AndrewBUD can't act like himself". It means to alter the way your mind works. It's not a sliding scale from barely noticeable to totally fucked up. Compare hallucinogens and narcotics, which alter the way your mind works in quite different ways. Your idea of "mind altering" is not just wrong, it ignores what altering your mind actually is.

Side effects between drugs cannot be compared as "worse", except as personal reaction and personal preference. What you mean is "side effects of most prescribed drugs AndrewBUD has taken are worse than the side effects of marijuana on AndrewBUD".

The side effects you experience are not the same as the side effects others experience. You're making a judgement call on a sample size of 1 - you. Or maybe a few of your friends who agree. This does not constitute a double blind study of efficacy or a comparison of side effects in a particular area.

Finally, as well as possibly not suiting your neurochemical make up, prescription drugs are prescribed for a purpose. From what you've written, your use of valium would be considered "off label" at best.

I'm criticising what you wrote, but don't take it the wrong way. I'm not criticising your choices. I understand that for you, marijuana has been a godsend and has enabled you to live a normal life which otherwise may not have been possible. However your own experiences do not mean a random 7 year old will enjoy the same benefits. You should not be giving other forum members medical advice about children based on personal experience and preferences.

[pekv2]

End the fucking shit, right here, organofcorti.

I have a theory though, if we lived in cali, I bet small amounts of cannabis would benefit, but by permission of a doctor and parent "my sister".

If the doctor think it would not help, then so be it. If it would, then so be it.

/end of your fucking rant in this thread.

[pekv2]

I'm sorry about the situation. That is just too bad for that to happen to anyone. 

As a side note, I acted like him when I was 7 too. I threw dishes at my sisters in rage. I grew out of it.

I also had a friend though who was a devout Catholic, studying at Notre Dame to be a priest, had brain surgery when he got in a car crash, and came out wondering who is family was and why he did what he did before, didn't know why he believed in god in the first place and now considers it silly, etc.

The human brain is a scary thing.

It is. Yea, I think my sister had time to let it soak in, she and the rest of use just found this out yesterday. So, were all easing, making plans on what to do next.

[rjk]

End the fucking shit, right here, organofcorti.

I have a theory though, if we lived in cali, I bet small amounts of cannabis would benefit, but by permission of a doctor and parent "my sister".

If the doctor think it would not help, then so be it. If it would, then so be it.

/end of your fucking rant in this thread.

If you bothered to carefully read what he said, all he said was that AndrewBUD is not a doctor and should not be prescribing things, and that you just need to ask a real doctor.

What works for one person DOES NOT always work for another.

[pekv2]

End the fucking shit, right here, organofcorti.

I have a theory though, if we lived in cali, I bet small amounts of cannabis would benefit, but by permission of a doctor and parent "my sister".

If the doctor think it would not help, then so be it. If it would, then so be it.

/end of your fucking rant in this thread.

If you bothered to carefully read what he said, all he said was that AndrewBUD is not a doctor and should not be prescribing things, and that you just need to ask a real doctor.

What works for one person DOES NOT always work for another.

This is where I caught it.

Marijuana for a child with a possible mental illness? Are you serious?

Firstly, giving any child a mind altering substance is something that should only be done with a psychiatrists' input, and as a last resort. Secondly, don't give a drug that can cause anxiety to a person displaying symptoms of an emotional disorder. Thirdly, don't give marijuana to a person who is at risk of a psychosis.

I'm not sure what institutions are like in your country. In mine they vary a bit, and tend to graduate inmates to half way houses as soon as they're ready for the public. It wouldn't be my first choice as a place to live.

But - and this is the terrible choice here - do you wait for a tragedy to occur first? If not an institution, then there'd need to be full time carers and minimal exposure to the public.

I don't envy you, and I hope there's another option. Pot is not that other option though.

& this is where he didn't read.

I have a theory though, if we lived in cali, I bet small amounts of cannabis would benefit, but by permission of a doctor and parent "my sister".

[rjk]

MJ is known to cause or exacerbate the effects of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychosis and therefore should be approached extremely carefully. That is all.

[pekv2]

MJ is known to cause or exacerbate the effects of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychosis and therefore should be approached extremely carefully. That is all.

Yes, i understand. I personally would not just shove cannaboids down his throat. By going to a doctor, where it is legal, this enables for an evaluation by a doctor/doctors in his case, I probably think there will be a few doctors in his case anyways, and see what the doctors come up with and to see what they have to say, if they said it would cause more harm, we would go to the next option/opions of medicines for him.

It was theory and the thread got out of control.

[AndrewBUD]

a lot of close minded people around here.

[organofcorti]

I apologise, pekv2. I wasn't trying to tell you what to do, and I should know better than to become involved with something as upsetting as a family member's ill health. I just wanted you to be aware that recreational drugs can be damaging for a brain still developing its own model of how reality works - and this is exactly what any brain under the age of 18 years is doing.

Most of what I wrote was aimed at AndrewBUD's comments but I can see I didn't make any clear delineation between my responses aimed at him and at you.

I'm not at all against adult use of whatever substance the adult chooses - it was just worrying to see you even think that marijuana could possibly be helpful for a person whose brain has not yet finished maturing and who may be at risk of mental illness. I have no agenda, and I have posted my thoughts on the matter in other threads. This is the first time I've posted an anti-recreational drug post, and this is because children and recreational drugs shouldn't mix.

I hope everything goes well for your family.


@AndrewBUD: I'm not closed minded. I just base my opinions on all available evidence, not just personal experience.

[pekv2]

I apologise, pekv2. I wasn't trying to tell you what to do, and I should know better than to become involved with something as upsetting as a family member's ill health. I just wanted you to be aware that recreational drugs can be damaging for a brain still developing its own model of how reality works - and this is exactly what any brain under the age of 18 years is doing.

Most of what I wrote was aimed at AndrewBUD's comments but I can see I didn't make any clear delineation between my responses aimed at him and at you.

I'm not at all against adult use of whatever substance the adult chooses - it was just worrying to see you even think that marijuana could possibly be helpful for a person whose brain has not yet finished maturing and who may be at risk of mental illness. I have no agenda, and I have posted my thoughts on the matter in other threads. This is the first time I've posted an anti-recreational drug post, and this is because children and recreational drugs shouldn't mix.

I hope everything goes well for your family.


@AndrewBUD: I'm not closed minded. I just base my opinions on all available evidence, not just personal experience.

Well, I apologize for freakin out, but the thread got out control. If you like, create a new thread about the cannabis and children. Then I'll pop my head in there and show you some facts. But not in here, plz.