[ANN] BTCDice.com - The Best Bitcoin Game in the World! - Better Payouts

[BTCDice]

My payout is proper. Only thing not matching to what dooglus said is displayed multiplier (which shows prior to house percent). I updated how it works page to reflect that.

Place a bet, do the math, it is correct.

Anyone who says not correct is not able to do math.

I not run a scam, and it slander for you to say I do.

Example:

Bet transaction: 99b31c20a44827237c1f97341fd3ce3a098d54342b6df14d13647862410e271f
http://www.btcdice.com/details.html?q=51383

Bet placed for 2 BTC to 50% odds, 2.000x multiplier, 1.65% house percent.

2 * 2.000 = 4
4 * .9835 = 3.934

I pay 3.93350000 in return, which is 98.35% return on a bet of 2, multiplied by 2. Exactly what I display on site.

Your preference to have it display different is not meaning I am scam.

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[mem]

My payout is proper. Only thing not matching to what dooglus said is displayed multiplier (which shows prior to house percent). I updated how it works page to reflect that.

Place a bet, do the math, it is correct.

Anyone who says not correct is not able to do math.

I not run a scam, and it slander for you to say I do.

You show a multiplier of 2x payout multiplier and Odds of 50% where in fact it is not.
You say people do not understand maths, I say your grasp of the English language and gambling terms is insufficient.
What you advertise as a "payout multiplier" is not a "payout multiplier".

No casino or game advertises odds and payouts in this manner, for the obvious reason it will confuse the player to the houses advantage.

It is misleading, intentionally or not. What is very clear is that you claim it is a preference and yet I do not see any players requesting payouts to be displayed as such, in fact I cannot envision any scenario where a player would want payouts displayed in such a confusing manner.

If you correct your payouts at a later date, please let me know so I can review and re-add you to the list.

Perhaps SCAM is a to hash label for this issue, I have been considering adding the new category MISLEADING for games in the SCAM/ PENDING list.
Your site is the first to have sufficiently confusing payouts (while still paying out clients) to warrant this..... Well done I guess.

[BTCDice]

My payout is proper. Only thing not matching to what dooglus said is displayed multiplier (which shows prior to house percent). I updated how it works page to reflect that.

Place a bet, do the math, it is correct.

Anyone who says not correct is not able to do math.

I not run a scam, and it slander for you to say I do.

You show a multiplier of 2x payout multiplier and Odds of 50% where in fact it is not.
You say people do not understand maths, I say your grasp of the English language and gambling terms is insufficient.
What you advertise as a "payout multiplier" is not a "payout multiplier".

No casino or game advertises odds and payouts in this manner, for the obvious reason it will confuse the player to the houses advantage.

It is misleading, intentionally or not. What is very clear is that you claim it is a preference and yet I do not see any players requesting payouts to be displayed as such, in fact I cannot envision any scenario where a player would want payouts displayed in such a confusing manner.

If you correct your payouts at a later date, please let me know so I can review and re-add you to the list.

Perhaps SCAM is a to hash label for this issue, I have been considering adding the new category MISLEADING for games in the SCAM/ PENDING list.
Your site is the first to have sufficiently confusing payouts (while still paying out clients) to warrant this..... Well done I guess.

I don't advertise as "payout multiplier", I advertise as "multiplier" and I say quite clear in "How it Works" page that house percent is taken after multiplier is calculated.

I state clearly that return is 98.35%. You look at multiplier and ignore return.

You don't read page, you make judgement without determining whether I mislead or not. You slander me for no reason.

[dooglus]

It looks like you've reduced the payout multipliers that are displayed, but not changed the "how it works":

From http://btcdice.com/howitworks.html :

You place a bet by sending bitcoins to one of the addresses listed in the 'Games' table. BTC Dice sees this, evaluates a win or loss and generates a return transaction. If you lose, we return your bet times 0.005 less house percent, or 0.00000001, whichever is greater. If you win, your bet is multiplied by the prize multiplier, the house percentage is subtracted, and that amount is sent back.

Do you still subtract the house percentage after multiplying by the multiplier?

What about when the player loses?  Do you still subtract the house percentage then too?

[BTCDice]

It looks like you've reduced the payout multipliers that are displayed, but not changed the "how it works":

From http://btcdice.com/howitworks.html :

You place a bet by sending bitcoins to one of the addresses listed in the 'Games' table. BTC Dice sees this, evaluates a win or loss and generates a return transaction. If you lose, we return your bet times 0.005 less house percent, or 0.00000001, whichever is greater. If you win, your bet is multiplied by the prize multiplier, the house percentage is subtracted, and that amount is sent back.

Do you still subtract the house percentage after multiplying by the multiplier?

What about when the player loses?  Do you still subtract the house percentage then too?

It looks like you've reduced the payout multipliers that are displayed, but not changed the "how it works":

From http://btcdice.com/howitworks.html :

You place a bet by sending bitcoins to one of the addresses listed in the 'Games' table. BTC Dice sees this, evaluates a win or loss and generates a return transaction. If you lose, we return your bet times 0.005 less house percent, or 0.00000001, whichever is greater. If you win, your bet is multiplied by the prize multiplier, the house percentage is subtracted, and that amount is sent back.

Do you still subtract the house percentage after multiplying by the multiplier?

What about when the player loses?  Do you still subtract the house percentage then too?

Why don't you start your own site, invest your own money and time, and then you can see how much you like it for people to tell you how they think you should run your game.

BTCDice is NOT satoshidice and it very much is not DooglusDice.

Do not complain about my site not displaying something the way you want, when I tell you it is explained clearly in "how it works" page, and then when I am finally forced to change the displayed number because your complaining makes people spread FUD and claim I'm scam, you complain about "how it works" page that you ignored in the first place.

Do you complain because satoshidice says they use magic in their game? Hmmm?

Maybe I should change my entire "How it works" page to "I use magic because Dooglus thinks he owns this game."

[dooglus]

Why don't you start your own site, invest your own money and time, and then you can see how much you like it for people to tell you how they think you should run your game.

I think I would like it just fine.  Constructive feedback is the breakfast of champions.

Do not complain about my site not displaying something the way you want, when I tell you it is explained clearly in "how it works" page, and then when I am finally forced to change the displayed number because your complaining makes people spread FUD and claim I'm scam, you complain about "how it works" page that you ignored in the first place.

You changed how it works (building the house edge into the multiplier, rather than quoting a higher multiplier and then subtracting the house edge) but didn't update the 'how it works' page.  That resulted in the "how it works" page not correctly documenting how it works, so I pointed it out.

Leave it wrong if you like.

Do you complain because satoshidice says they use magic in their game? Hmmm?

No.  I didn't complain about their tongue-in-cheek "ghost of Satoshi" reference either.  I'm pretty sure none of it is meant to be taken seriously, whereas I suspect that's not the case for your site.

Maybe I should change my entire "How it works" page to "I use magic because Dooglus thinks he owns this game."

Maybe it would be best if you quoted the payouts you actually pay out, and then document it correctly.  Just a crazy idea.

[evoorhees]

Why don't you start your own site, invest your own money and time, and then you can see how much you like it for people to tell you how they think you should run your game.

I think you mean, "Why don't you copy Erik's site, piggyback off his investment, and then mislead players so that they use you instead of him because there's no other distinguishing feature." 

BTCDice is NOT satoshidice

In this, at least, you're correct

[BTCDice]

Why don't you start your own site, invest your own money and time, and then you can see how much you like it for people to tell you how they think you should run your game.

I think you mean, "Why don't you copy Erik's site, piggyback off his investment, and then mislead players so that they use you instead of him because there's no other distinguishing feature." 

BTCDice is NOT satoshidice

In this, at least, you're correct

Competition is the nature of free market.

I don't mislead at all. I pay more than you do. I take less percentage than you do.

If improving upon ideas or service was never done, the world as it is today would not exist.

I did not piggyback off your investment. I simply saw an idea that was good and felt I could improve it. Instead of telling you how to run your game like Dooglus thinks he has some right to do to me, I wrote all code myself, developed site myself and invested my own time and money to make changes I saw fit to make.

Same scenario causes multiple exchanges, pools, miners, etc.

I gave users a choice.

[SteamGamesBTC.com]

Hey BTCDice! :-) 2 weeks ago system was much faster. After bet (send BTC to specified address) it took 2-10 seconds to back the BTC.
Now it takes 50-80 seconds. What's going on? Will you fix it?

[dooglus]

Instead of telling you how to run your game like Dooglus thinks he has some right to do to me

I don't tell you how to run your game.  I point out where I find your site either misleading or just plain incorrect.  It's up to you whether you want to listen or not.  Run it however you like; I don't care.

I've never played your game and don't intend to.  I use SatoshiDice myself since they have a proven history of being reputable.  You might just disappear one day and not pay out pending bets, whereas I trust that SatoshiDice won't.  I might be wrong with that - it's a personal choice who to trust.

If you prefer that I don't point out errors on your site when I see them, that's easy enough for me to accommodate.

[BTCDice]

Hey BTCDice! :-) 2 weeks ago system was much faster. After bet (send BTC to specified address) it took 2-10 seconds to back the BTC.
Now it takes 50-80 seconds. What's going on? Will you fix it?

I will be perform maintenance to improve speed this weekend, hopefully it resolve all issues.

[BTCDice]

I've never played your game and don't intend to.  I use SatoshiDice myself since they have a proven history of being reputable.  You might just disappear one day and not pay out pending bets, whereas I trust that SatoshiDice won't.  I might be wrong with that - it's a personsal choice who to trust.

More FUD from dooglus. For someone who does not play, you sure spend lot of time on my site.

If you prefer that I don't point out errors on your site when I see them, that's easy enough for me to accommodate.

Do not comment unless you have real issue, about bet you placed on my game, for me to deal with.

[SRoulette]

Instead of telling you how to run your game like Dooglus thinks he has some right to do to me

I don't tell you how to run your game.  I point out where I find your site either misleading or just plain incorrect.  It's up to you whether you want to listen or not.  Run it however you like; I don't care.

I've never played your game and don't intend to.  I use SatoshiDice myself since they have a proven history of being reputable.  You might just disappear one day and not pay out pending bets, whereas I trust that SatoshiDice won't.  I might be wrong with that - it's a personsal choice who to trust.

If you prefer that I don't point out errors on your site when I see them, that's easy enough for me to accommodate.

Hi dooglus, we welcome any criticisms you may have on our new "Clone Dice" game: http://satoshiroulette.com/clone_dice

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Competition is the nature of free market.

This at least I agree with

[BTCDice]

Maintenance has been performed to increase speed of game. Bets should now respond in only a few seconds where they were before delayed.

Happy betting!

[SteamGamesBTC.com]

Maintenance has been performed to increase speed of game. Bets should now respond in only a few seconds where they were before delayed.

Happy betting!

I made a test bets and they took more time than before: 125 sec, 35 sec, 58 sec, 116 sec, 98 sec. So it's even worse. Month ago it was much faster like satoshidice or clone - up to 10 seconds.

[Bigal]

"Receiving Payouts to a Specific Address" doesn't seem to be working correctly.

[Tittiez]

Processing backlog again.

[BTCDice]

Maintenance has been performed to increase speed of game. Bets should now respond in only a few seconds where they were before delayed.

Happy betting!

I made a test bets and they took more time than before: 125 sec, 35 sec, 58 sec, 116 sec, 98 sec. So it's even worse. Month ago it was much faster like satoshidice or clone - up to 10 seconds.

I'm having issue with hosting that is cause for slowness. I'm try to sort out as quickly as possible.

[BTCDice]

"Receiving Payouts to a Specific Address" doesn't seem to be working correctly.

Could you give me example txid? It worked fine in test I did.