1DkyBEKt5S2GDtv7aQw6rQepAvnsRyHoYM

[finkleshnorts]

If he plans on making money in illegitimate ways, why not include the ponzi?

Which is why I expect the SR ops to run with all the money. Just like Tony; Just like Pirate.

Cash out now or get busted later.

[1714966804]

1714966804

[bitcoinBull]

This is a fake screenshot (firebugged / photoshopped).

No, no it isn't.  You're welcome to all the anecdotal evidence you want pointing to the contrary though.  It's not going to change the fact that 1Dky is/was a SR storage address.

Anecdotal evidence? You asked what you could do to prove.

Take your screen shot of that 1 BTC deposit on Aug 6. Now take the transaction you were looking at when you mocked up that screenshot.

Prove that you control any of the other addresses involved in that transaction.
1KVc5AaxgHuhqC9GptsBTUNPVKDqHPLFuT
1AbWGoMfZaMtCiCTN92Lv7zU9L3TojmYgo
or the change address
16Wc6UL5RsR9VurTKExXCjcTWEyKqFCDxU

You can't prove you control those with a screenshot. You have to announce ahead of time how much you will send and to which address, and it must come from one of those addresses.

Can you do that? 25 BTC says you can't. Is that enough for your trouble?

[bitcoinBull]

13aZs is my current SR address.  If I refund from there it will go to whatever address I specify.  I have no direct control of this address short of what SR allows.

Here, this should be easier.

Specify to which address you will "refund" some of the 14 BTC and how much. Then do it.

25 BTC says you can't.

[dropt]

13aZs is my current SR address.  If I refund from there it will go to whatever address I specify.  I have no direct control of this address short of what SR allows.

Here, this should be easier.

Specify to which address you will "refund" some of the 14 BTC and how much. Then do it.

25 BTC says you can't.

I'll "refund" half of that 14BTC held at 13aZs to the first address you listed that was included in the referenced transaction
(1KVc5AaxgHuhqC9GptsBTUNPVKDqHPLFuT).

[dropt]

I'll "refund" half of that 14BTC held at 13aZs to the first address you listed that was included in the referenced transaction
(1KVc5AaxgHuhqC9GptsBTUNPVKDqHPLFuT).

Transaction sent.  The sending address from SR to 1KVc5 does not appear to be 13aZs, but has first bits of 12vKPJ.    I'm interested to see how/when the coins at 13aZs are handled now.

Edit:

Address: [1KVc5AaxgHuhqC9GptsBTUNPVKDqHPLFuT]
Message: [https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=94675.0]
Signed Text: [Gz9Z+QPsN2QwuStofTe6Jd8QVUhFVrqokStZHmBCobCzVyuHshlXlhNdm5I4FB+F3oKhBKz3UC3AUHTwddmpmQ4=]

Remove [] marks when verifying.

[nimda]

Oh ffs guys. Getting on SR is DEAD SIMPLE. If you don't believe dooglus' analysis or my post from PAGE 4 OF THIS THREAD then do your own goddamn experiment and post the results

[legolouman]

Oh ffs guys. Getting on SR is DEAD SIMPLE. If you don't believe dooglus' analysis or my post from PAGE 4 OF THIS THREAD then do your own goddamn experiment and post the results

Exactly, if you don't believe dropt, why not just check the SR yourself?

[bitcoinBull]

I'll "refund" half of that 14BTC held at 13aZs to the first address you listed that was included in the referenced transaction
(1KVc5AaxgHuhqC9GptsBTUNPVKDqHPLFuT).

Transaction sent.  The sending address from SR to 1KVc5 does not appear to be 13aZs, but has first bits of 12vKPJ.    I'm interested to see how/when the coins at 13aZs are handled now.

Edit:

Address: [1KVc5AaxgHuhqC9GptsBTUNPVKDqHPLFuT]
Message: [https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=94675.0]
Signed Text: [Gz9Z+QPsN2QwuStofTe6Jd8QVUhFVrqokStZHmBCobCzVyuHshlXlhNdm5I4FB+F3oKhBKz3UC3AUHTwddmpmQ4=]

Remove [] marks when verifying.

Nice try. Of course it doesn't come from 13aZs, because that's not your address!

I said you have to send a transaction from 1KVc5. That would prove its yours, and it should be yours since you showed a 1BTC deposit in your wallet, and that was one of the inputs for that 1BTC deposit to 13aZs!

I can make a withdrawal to 1KVc5 as well. Now I feel bad that you just lost control of 7 BTC.

EDIT: if 1KVc5 is actually your address, as your screenshot implied, that 7 BTC should be in your wallet now.

[MrTeal]

Out of curiosity, with the Satoshi client how do you force a payment to be sent from one specific address instead of from a random one in your wallet?

[rdponticelli]

Out of curiosity, with the Satoshi client how do you force a payment to be sent from one specific address instead of from a random one in your wallet?

You can't. What you've to do to prove ownership of an address is signing a message with that private key, so anybody could verify it.

[bitcoinBull]

Oh ffs guys. Getting on SR is DEAD SIMPLE. If you don't believe dooglus' analysis or my post from PAGE 4 OF THIS THREAD then do your own goddamn experiment and post the results

Exactly, if you don't believe dropt, why not just check the SR yourself?

I made a withdrawal from SR myself just the other day, and posted the address here. That's the easy part.

Now I (or someone) will have to find the time to compile znort's tool and do the taint analysis.

dropt didn't do that. He firebugged a screenshot. (I could be wrong here. up to him to prove it.)

I'm interested in actual truth about 1Dky. not endless banter "its pirate!" or "its SR!". and not fake screenshots.

[mb300sd]

Oh ffs guys. Getting on SR is DEAD SIMPLE. If you don't believe dooglus' analysis or my post from PAGE 4 OF THIS THREAD then do your own goddamn experiment and post the results

Exactly, if you don't believe dropt, why not just check the SR yourself?

I made a withdrawal from SR myself just the other day, and posted the address here. That's the easy part.

Now I (or someone) will have to find the time to compile znort's tool and do the taint analysis.

dropt didn't do that. He firebugged a screenshot. (I could be wrong here. up to him to prove it.)

I'm interested in actual truth about 1Dky. not endless banter "its pirate!" or "its SR!". and not fake screenshots.

New withdrawals no longer trace back to 1Dky, since they stopped using that address. It appears their withdrawal hot wallet is filled with approx 50k worth of deposits every day.

[nimda]

Oh ffs guys. Getting on SR is DEAD SIMPLE. If you don't believe dooglus' analysis or my post from PAGE 4 OF THIS THREAD then do your own goddamn experiment and post the results

Exactly, if you don't believe dropt, why not just check the SR yourself?

I made a withdrawal from SR myself just the other day, and posted the address here. That's the easy part.

Now I (or someone) will have to find the time to compile znort's tool and do the taint analysis.

dropt didn't do that. He firebugged a screenshot. (I could be wrong here. up to him to prove it.)

I'm interested in actual truth about 1Dky. not endless banter "its pirate!" or "its SR!". and not fake screenshots.

It's a damn shame you didn't do so before SR stopped using 1Dky. I am a happy man, because I know for a fact that I wasn't lying to myself, and it would be pretty hard for dooglus to lie to me because the payments are embedded in the blockchain for all eternity.

[Dabs]

Version 0.7 of the Satoshi client allows Raw Transactions, so you could send from a specific address. But I don't know how to do that, maybe someone else does.

[dropt]

I made a withdrawal from SR myself just the other day, and posted the address here. That's the easy part.

Now I (or someone) will have to find the time to compile znort's tool and do the taint analysis.

dropt didn't do that. He firebugged a screenshot. (I could be wrong here. up to him to prove it.)

I'm interested in actual truth about 1Dky. not endless banter "its pirate!" or "its SR!". and not fake screenshots.

You know, I had to google what firebugging even is and it strikes me as really odd that you think I have some sort of motive or reason to generate a bunch of "firebugged" screen shots to prove/disprove some BS on this forum. 

1KVc5 is one of my recipient addresses, that 7BTC is safe in my wallet.  Not only that, but I signed a message just for you with that address.  You say you want to get the truth, it's here dangling in front of your face.  Others have also provided suggestive evidence pointing to the exact same conclusion while there's little (if any) evidence indicating the contrary.

Maybe I should spend the time to update my client to see if they've allowed raw transactions as Dabs suggests and start harassing you for that 25 BTC.  Maybe I should just send the whole balance of that wallet to myself as a final nail in the coffin too.

[bitcoinBull]

I'll "refund" half of that 14BTC held at 13aZs to the first address you listed that was included in the referenced transaction
(1KVc5AaxgHuhqC9GptsBTUNPVKDqHPLFuT).

Transaction sent.  The sending address from SR to 1KVc5 does not appear to be 13aZs, but has first bits of 12vKPJ.    I'm interested to see how/when the coins at 13aZs are handled now.

Edit:

Address: [1KVc5AaxgHuhqC9GptsBTUNPVKDqHPLFuT]
Message: [https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=94675.0]
Signed Text: [Gz9Z+QPsN2QwuStofTe6Jd8QVUhFVrqokStZHmBCobCzVyuHshlXlhNdm5I4FB+F3oKhBKz3UC3AUHTwddmpmQ4=]

Remove [] marks when verifying.

Ouch. /takes it back and eats hat

25 BTC sent.

You know, I had to google what firebugging even is and it strikes me as really odd that you think I have some sort of motive or reason to generate a bunch of "firebugged" screen shots to prove/disprove some BS on this forum.

1KVc5 is one of my recipient addresses, that 7BTC is safe in my wallet.  Not only that, but I signed a message just for you with that address.  You say you want to get the truth, it's here dangling in front of your face.  Others have also provided suggestive evidence pointing to the exact same conclusion while there's little (if any) evidence indicating the contrary.

I didn't bother to speculate on your motives, that wasn't behind my accusation. It was that the 14 BTC stayed at that address just one hop away seemed too coincidental. My deposits hadn't worked that way, so I was highly skeptical. I had assumed their tumbler would've operated more consistently and thoroughly, but I was wrong.

Thank you for the proof. It definitely cost me (should've only bet 10!), but at least I'm glad to have satisfied, to my own personal standards, who controls 1DKy.

[bitcoinBull]

Here's more analysis on 1Dky.


First, here's my mtgox green address withdrawal of 0.4 BTC.

Code:

http://blockchain.info/tx-index/27088624/e7ada838ad28df4921ee7a6ac27981b721687f286ed6fa845c74ac6b924331e4
1LNWw6yCxkUmkhArb2Nf2MPw6vG7u5WG7q - direct ->
1BYhyPtxbnU59NDahJ7DVd8RnwNH1V5D1N 0.4 BTC

1LNWw6yCxkUmkhArb2Nf2MPw6vG7u5WG7q is MtGox's green address.

New withdrawals no longer trace back to 1Dky, since they stopped using that address. It appears their withdrawal hot wallet is filled with approx 50k worth of deposits every day.

Regardless of where new SR deposits are going, the coins from 1Dky had to go somewhere.

Here's my SR withdrawal of 0.6 BTC on Sep 21. Traces back to 1Dky (this still wouldn't have convinced me without dropt's proof of deposit).

Code:

1DkyBEKt5S2GDtv7aQw6rQepAvnsRyHoYM 2012-09-10 05:22:24 -->
1491KpNqoY1vGE2Rzdd76BCsuXK7QepNGU 158,336.30 BTC 2012-09-12 19:09:37 -->
1Bq7sdiDx1hQwdjVkjsJAemM6D1AoQ3q26 108,336.30 BTC 2012-09-15 07:33:09 --> 
1FDKQB5aN6w7y8WTfVwqFN4Yj3DyL8BCpu 58,336.30 BTC 2012-09-15 07:33:09 -->
..
19zfvXXoRVZ6AGmJVzuM3WCeeMjjQgJJ8i 52,223.57 BTC 2012-09-19 06:48:29 -->
..
1Jx9zY1eqUFh4MS72mFwbs8sM8eDTJ7EC7 41,998.69 BTC 2012-09-19 16:52:16 -->
..
1Bq99PoCFQ7XjDMezRzqJEp1NgLoLX8Yhz 34,340.76 BTC 2012-09-20 00:09:22 -->
..
18RxjH8ZbjGvPvgh3mX8uzD1B2vqBMCyG 14,188.66 BTC 2012-09-20 09:00:40 -->
..
1Dn8xyyLj1gRDuFfzfkFrvsPhLfH96EkJp 6,215.74 2012-09-20 18:03:49 -->
1Dy6m9skX4QhzuPijYkA7zNwxZrXmfPFXs 1,000 BTC 2012-09-20 18:04:08 --> .. (500) + (500) -->
1H1h8CUwHdxGjcyL1VBPKNovCAoGVi6ANd 2,000 BTC 2012-09-20 23:52:57

1H1h8CUwHdxGjcyL1VBPKNovCAoGVi6ANd (2,000) + 17b9yVxjtaddyiZGj1hYLperbJJacyn2Wi (2,000) + 
1EtDUjG6iqmNWe4DdP5xZGqGNGRE5nhuSU (2,000) + 129ax3NtULonjjFjGxwHp75A4w6Fu4PQ2j (2,000) + 
(279 other addresses, 42,000) -- 2012-09-21 19:44:43 -->
1BHmgv9HW2tBFbQZSPj34iw3RoC8KYfg3 -- 50,000 BTC 2012-09-21 19:48:13 -->
… --> … 
1b8NZnPEy4BY5Hut8ePRU96okXt3qADqE 45,303.0291 BTC 2012-09-21 20:48:20 -->
1BYhyPtxbnU59NDahJ7DVd8RnwNH1V5D1N 0.6 BTC 2012-09-21 20:48:40

Now here's the kicker. The first deposits to 1DKy can be traced back to MtGox's green address.

Code:

http://blockchain.info/tx/31066fbaa7dbfcbde6f7053d5f825c39d0dc3eeafb1fdc9acef4b146e422bf1b
1LNWw6yCxkUmkhArb2Nf2MPw6vG7u5WG7q 437,182.47241018 BTC
2011-12-06 17:14:38 -->

..

http://blockchain.info/tx/478ea915aa3a2e54503c43e1c5659722b42a784412423a05394c83a44affb805
1M1ZkWpHfuQthji2AVsGDvpfY2PrcXQar6 429,935.05508286 BTC
2011-12-08 14:44:46 -->

http://blockchain.info/tx/53eda0deef60165911f34b280480bba250ee85bd35451f456fa22b1227fc20a4
14qKyR7b86JVHn5mfm6Dm3G756BgxhMqMP 203,002.46997894 BTC
2011-12-08 16:24:39 -->

http://blockchain.info/tx/332c4031971e4e11809366cbba16a0a6361cf7498d2a3ef5c2f2c62c9a7380ca
144rbLnQmwH8MbB5iirSqvaPgXB9NMdcdb 108,570.85459015 BTC
2011-12-09 00:51:49 -->

..

http://blockchain.info/tx/1dcbcd41973901c433c2b4993d1d63a48f6ed1a3273fe576f06924a7aace3b6d
15VavDMyjBXnhqY3tiwxwYHJpdbgxR1WXm 17,428.36860705 BTC
2011-12-09 06:00:10 -->

..

http://blockchain.info/tx/7453572098e57aea2971b6705240213dbb549c9de8638372b157ee6bc524aacb
14X7WaLgH1hhRdaz5yEeByDESbVC5sn5YJ 1,436.2498891 BTC 
2011-12-10 02:19:07 -->

..

http://blockchain.info/tx/4f829c54727d4f8626f4501351ff0adffef66d0151e5203d08c25296cef0309e
1DFEjAEWvfyYWRjKvegAztKsh9Tuv3aJ2z 621 BTC + (..)  -->
15esSGvZ5zAVqGehCHxMTRHi8eL3FP9kyo 995 BTC 
2011-12-17 03:23:27

http://blockchain.info/tx/5dea50b0ff0356dfcdda4e6936175d2d3cb662870114d3e4772464eda4e9c51f
15esSGvZ5zAVqGehCHxMTRHi8eL3FP9kyo 995 BTC + (~600) -->
19fBUDYpUTjPiJp1ZxZGeArmhGpy4Ae7Mn 1,613.55 BTC
first big deposit to 19fBUDY
2011-12-17 03:29:01

http://blockchain.info/tx/e2453c0ba2318cefa55f04196d1922863bb308d4122cbdb15e712c2a42843e4d
19fBUDYpUTjPiJp1ZxZGeArmhGpy4Ae7Mn 1,613.55 BTC + (8,387) -->
first big deposit to 1Dky
2012-01-09 17:34:25
10,000.02206122 BTC --> 1DkyBEKt5S2GDtv7aQw6rQepAvnsRyHoYM 
0.01006122 BTC --> 1EUFpXQUAEdsHE7hTTPjQN2zVoqGEtDX6X

I guess its not too surprising. But yeah..

[elux]

Thank you for the proof. It definitely cost me (should've only bet 10!), but at least I'm glad to have satisfied, to my own personal standards, who controls 1DKy.

Agreed. The timing of the rise and fall of 1Dky is still quite curious. (Especially the wind down.)

Has SilkRoad simply adopted a "new" 1DkyBEK-type address, or have they changed their tumbling/cleaning scheme completely?

Also: When did GPUMax first start laundering? (Was SilkRoad cleaning profits through GPUMax?)

[dropt]

I didn't bother to speculate on your motives, that wasn't behind my accusation. It was that the 14 BTC stayed at that address just one hop away seemed too coincidental. My deposits hadn't worked that way, so I was highly skeptical. I had assumed their tumbler would've operated more consistently and thoroughly, but I was wrong.

Thank you for the proof. It definitely cost me (should've only bet 10!), but at least I'm glad to have satisfied, to my own personal standards, who controls 1DKy.

I know, my response was pretty much a knee-jerk reaction to your posts.  Since you're still on the hunt, I should add that all of those withdrawals from 13aZs are lump sums when the coins were not 'distributed' in that fashion on my end.  Seems as though it holds them in the depositing address until the lump some is spent or swept at pre-determined intervals

[Frankie]

1)  this is the god damn pirate wallet, 90%+ confidence.

2)  built this year, starting right when his scam was ramping up

3) died when the scam died

4)  rule out Gox / Silk Road, and it's only Pirate left:
4a)   SR does 22M in business per year, profits about 1M, and is likely quickly converted to USD
4b)  Gox isn't that stupid, wouldn't build a 500kBTC wallet (that's 5% of ALL btc) and this is not how a Gox cold storage wallet would look (why is it built in weekly / monthly regular headshots? only during this yr?  ending with a super-launder?)

It's Trendon   

Re. 4a) This doesn't need to be SR's profits.  It's just the BTC they're currently holding.  Customers deposit BTC at SR then trade them with sellers.  While the BTC are on the site, they need to keep them safe.  Hence the use of this offline wallet.  Since the address became public knowledge they've split the contents up into several smaller addresses to avoid scrutiny.

Re. the other points, that's useless circumstantial evidence and doesn't prove anything.

It's SR.

Evidence is compelling.

Besides, if Pirate kept his booty in bitcoin, he likely wouldn't have more than 100,000ish; most of his deposits were imaginary.