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July 26, 2012, 07:11:27 PM
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Cry

But I can't find any contact infomation of SatoshiDICE

Send Erik Voorhees a PM, I believe he operates SatoshiDice.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=12149

Thank you.  I have sended  him a message when I made the mistake,but he didn't reply.I will pm him again.

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I play the DICE before, I when I withdraw from Mtgox ,I copy my address and it didn't success, so I past the address of DICE which I copy before. That is it.
I made a similar mistake recently with SD... I intended to be 0.4 BTC and bet 4.0 BTC (Of 5.5 I had just bought)

Guess what?  It lost.

I didn't go whining to erik because it was my mistake, I was bummed the rest of the night.  But at least it wasn't a larger amount.  It has made me much more vigilant and double check everything.  The only stupid mistakes are the ones you don't learn from.

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July 26, 2012, 07:14:15 PM
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Idea: A DB of addresses that pooled funds such as MtGox can contact so they don't send to them. Lottery and SD addresses come to mind.

I submitted a support ticket to Mt. Gox requesting this capability:


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There is the repeating situation where people are withdrawing from a Mt. Gox to an address which is incompatible with a hosted (shared) wallet like how Mt. Gox customer accounts use.

SatoshiDICE is one of these.  The betting site returns winnings (and commissions in losses as well) for all wagers to the sender's bitcoin address.  There have been numerous reports of a party not knowing Mt. Gox accounts aren't compatible in this manner and using it anyway.

While Mt. Gox isn't unique in maintaining a hosted (shared) wallet for its customer accounts, it is the largest.    It might be good customer service to at a minimum maintain a blacklist of static bitcoin addresses where any BTC withdrawal requests from Mt.Gox are checked against this list.  If there is a match either the request is rejected or at a minimum the user is warned before proceeding.

There are multiple services like this ... SatoshiDICE, BTCDice, BitLotto, and a handful of others much smaller.

There might even be a way to automate this where any service that is incompatible with EWallets can submit a request to be blocked.  The request would be a standardized format and be submitted as a message using the message signing feature available in the Bitcoin.org client.  There would probably be two messages for this, one to add a block, anther to clear a block.  That's far down the road though. 

At present it is just a handful of addresses which would be best if they were excluded.

Would Mt. Gox take the proactive step and add some method to either block or warn the user when these withdrawal requests are made?

SatoshiDICE could add one restriction.  If the coin happened to be coming from a green address (such as those from Mt. Gox, Instawallet or wherever else they are offered) to return it without treating it as a wager.  That's would only solve a tiny fraction of these as most are not Green Address withdrawals, but it likely will happen a few times.
Better yet, MtGox can make themselves compatible with SatoshiDice by including a return address in the transactions (by using the feature that many gambling sites now support where you send exactly 0.00543210 to the address you want the funds to go back to) to any address starting with 1dice or that were registered with MtGox with your proposed method.

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July 26, 2012, 07:14:38 PM
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I mean mistakes happen and I feel a little bad for you, but if you even glanced at what you were pasting you would see "1dice...".

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July 26, 2012, 07:15:53 PM
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Can you tell if the bet the OP placed won? Can you tell whether the address it was sent from is one of these send-only Gox addresses? If the bet didn't win and it really did come from a Gox address, you're out no BTC and you know he wasn't trying to scam you, right?
Can you imagine the precedent this will set if they returned a losing bet? 

In that case I think SD should return my 4 BTC bet as I was using a martingale and can prove so that it was a mistake I didn't double check my numbers.  (You can bet your ass if I had won on that bet I wouldn't have sent the balance to erik/SD as a donation).

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July 26, 2012, 07:22:55 PM
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Can you tell if the bet the OP placed won? Can you tell whether the address it was sent from is one of these send-only Gox addresses? If the bet didn't win and it really did come from a Gox address, you're out no BTC and you know he wasn't trying to scam you, right?
Can you imagine the precedent this will set if they returned a losing bet? 

If the BTC returned to the gox addresses really can't be recovered by anyone, it's something of a special case, isn't it?. But Evorhees says he can't return anything, so that's that.

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July 26, 2012, 07:56:21 PM
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Can you tell if the bet the OP placed won? Can you tell whether the address it was sent from is one of these send-only Gox addresses? If the bet didn't win and it really did come from a Gox address, you're out no BTC and you know he wasn't trying to scam you, right?
Can you imagine the precedent this will set if they returned a losing bet? 

If the BTC returned to the gox addresses really can't be recovered by anyone, it's something of a special case, isn't it?. But Evorhees says he can't return anything, so that's that.

That is the problem... everyone thinks their case is special.  Trust me the last thing erik wants to do is start making exceptions.  The rule of "all bets are final" is *much* better.  The support headache that would be incurred by SD would be astronomical.

It sucks, I know.  I didn't do it with 50BTC, but I am not rich and even 4 BTC (4.6 actually) is still significant for me.  But I learn and I move on so hopefully i don't have to pay the stupid tax on another larger, or more important transfer, in the future.

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July 27, 2012, 03:29:28 AM
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Cry

But I can't find any contact infomation of SatoshiDICE

Send Erik Voorhees a PM, I believe he operates SatoshiDice.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=12149

Thank you.  I have sended  him a message when I made the mistake,but he didn't reply.I will pm him again.

To unclemantis:

I play the DICE before, I when I withdraw from Mtgox ,I copy my address and it didn't success, so I past the address of DICE which I copy before. That is it.
I made a similar mistake recently with SD... I intended to be 0.4 BTC and bet 4.0 BTC (Of 5.5 I had just bought)

Guess what?  It lost.

I didn't go whining to erik because it was my mistake, I was bummed the rest of the night.  But at least it wasn't a larger amount.  It has made me much more vigilant and double check everything.  The only stupid mistakes are the ones you don't learn from.



It looks that  I am not the only one to make the same mistakes.

I am glad that my example has caused people some of the thinking and discussion about the bitcoin address copy mistake.

In fact, I'm just new in this forum,and I have  heard bitcoin  for a long time.

I was fascinated when I first know it.

I have been committed to the promotion and introduction to other new bitcoiners at my site www.TTbit.com.

I know, it is almost impossible to get my bitcoins back because this is my mistake,but it is meaningful for  bitcoiners who are always careless.

And  I have another question:

If there is a virus  who's the only function is make some bitcoiner's pasteboard to his master's address,what will happen ? Each person will always make mistakes especially when he isn't familar with the deal.





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July 27, 2012, 03:40:15 AM
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How did you pick the name TTbit.com?

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July 27, 2012, 04:05:17 AM
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This isn't really a discretionary decision for Erik either. He really cannot reliably know that the 50 btc dice roll originated from the same person as claimed. Even if he accepted it was a mistake and it came from a Gox address he can't return it to that address without it vanishing randomly since that return address doesn't belong to the claimant. And it isn't reasonable to return it to some other address the claimant provides since there's no link between the origin address with the claimant.

Anyone could scan the blockchain, find a suitable candidate loss, claim it was sent by him and beg for it back. He really has no choice but to just stick to the posted rules and not manually intervene, despite it being a real shame.


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July 27, 2012, 04:36:37 AM
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I have been committed to the promotion and introduction to other new bitcoiners at my site www.TTbit.com.


I just happen to reply to the thread of the guy who owns TTBit.com? Am I being setup?

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July 27, 2012, 04:39:41 AM
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I have been committed to the promotion and introduction to other new bitcoiners at my site www.TTbit.com.


I just happen to reply to the thread of the guy who owns TTBit.com? Am I being setup?
Now I wonder who actually owns ttbit.com.  Shocked

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August 03, 2012, 05:17:55 PM
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If the coin happened to be coming from a green address (such as those from Mt. Gox, Instawallet or wherever else they are offered) to return it without treating it as a wager.

Return it to what address?  If they return it to the green address then the originating account won't get credit for it.

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August 03, 2012, 05:21:39 PM
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rockxie, you need to quickly send 100 btc to that address and when it hits, you'll win back everything you lost.  If it doesn't win, send 200.  It's a sure thing!
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It looks like he tried winning it back, won, and then wasn't paid out: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=96664

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August 04, 2012, 06:37:10 PM
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If you think about it, I truly think he did make the mistake. Who would bet, without an address that is accessible by him?

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August 04, 2012, 07:14:58 PM
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If you think about it, I truly think he did make the mistake. Who would bet, without an address that is accessible by him?

Someone who had read the forums and seen anecdotal evidence that with enough nagging MtGox will refund you you your SatoshiDice winnings?

I think he made an honest mistake though.

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August 06, 2012, 05:30:35 AM
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You should not have sent a 50btc bet to a site that you didn't understand the mechanics of.
It sounds like it was a cut-'n-paste error, but yes - always double and triple check the address and the amount.

If only SatoshiDICE had some sort of vanity prefix for their addresses...   Cheesy

This is what I have been thinking.  Something doesn't add up.

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August 07, 2012, 01:01:07 AM
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I just placed 2 bets valued at 0.001btc in honor of our fallen hero here. Both lost Sad

I suggest you all do the same and if you win, forward the winnings to him.

It's worth a shot Smiley

Thanks for your suggest.

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