Can I want my money back from SatoshiDICE?

[rockxie]

I'm new bitcoiner here.

Today, I made a serious mistake.

When I withdraw from Mtgox at 2012/07/26 02:40:48, I inputed the address of a SatoshiDICE (1dice97ECuByXAvqXpaYzSaQuPVvrtmz6)  and did not notice the error.

So, I lost 50BTC.

I would like to ask, Can I get back to me the BTC?

Is any SatoshiDICE staff here? Can anybody help me?

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[Clipse]

I'm new bitcoiner here.

Today, I made a serious mistake.

When I withdraw from Mtgox at 2012/07/26 02:40:48, I inputed the address of a SatoshiDICE (1dice97ECuByXAvqXpaYzSaQuPVvrtmz6)  and did not notice the error.

So, I lost 50BTC.

I would like to ask, Can I get back to me the BTC?

Is any SatoshiDICE staff here? Can anybody help me?

Not sure, Can you ?

[rockxie]

I have contacted the Mtgox,and they  suggested  I contact SatoshiDICE .

[rockxie]

 

But I can't find any contact infomation of SatoshiDICE

[DeathAndTaxes]

Really?

"See I was walking by this casino and my money accidentally ended up on red at the roulette table.  Black came up can I get a do-over?"

I am sure if you had won you would be contacting Satoshi Dice to return the funds as you didn't intend to play.

[Frankie]

I assume this is your bet (seems to be a Mt.Gox address)? http://www.satoshidice.com/full.php?tx=73b98215be7fdc6d20de702a9166bfe250f3580d4c4b638ecb426e549adb0c14

Looks like it lost.

If it had won, you would have to ask Mt.Gox for it, but it seems like a moot point unless SatoshiDice wants to give you a newbie freeroll for 50 bitcoin.  I wouldn't--sets a bad precedent, and it's not hard to act like a Newbie.

[wikiaki]

easy come, easy go ...
bad luck

[unclemantis]

Oh come on now. 50 BTC on Satoshi Dice? You are either just really fucking stupid or think we all are just plain dumb!

[unclemantis]

I just looked up the odds for 1dice97ECuByXAvqXpaYzSaQuPVvrtmz6 and it is 50/50. Well guess what. You loose. Good day sir.

[BTCurious]

He could ask for his 0.2495 back from mtgox

[Tril]

But I can't find any contact infomation of SatoshiDICE

Send Erik Voorhees a PM, I believe he operates SatoshiDice.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=12149

[Yankee (BitInstant)]

But I can't find any contact infomation of SatoshiDICE

Send Erik Voorhees a PM, I believe he operates SatoshiDice.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=12149

Yes, this is true. Contact Erik

Although I don't know what he can do, he is a super nice guy.

[rockxie]

But I can't find any contact infomation of SatoshiDICE

Send Erik Voorhees a PM, I believe he operates SatoshiDice.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=12149

Thank you.  I have sended  him a message when I made the mistake,but he didn't reply.I will pm him again.

To unclemantis:

I play the DICE before, I when I　withdraw from Mtgox ,I copy my address and it didn't success, so I past the address of DICE which I copy before. That is it.

[unclemantis]

But I can't find any contact infomation of SatoshiDICE

Send Erik Voorhees a PM, I believe he operates SatoshiDice.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=12149

Yes, this is true. Contact Erik

Although I don't know what he can do, he is a super nice guy.

It's worth a shot.

Hey Eric! My odds have not been all that great with SatoshiDice. Do you think I could get a refund? We are only talking about under 0.5 btc total. Oh and the bets that I won between 0.003 and 3 btc, you can keep those bets :-P

[unclemantis]

But I can't find any contact infomation of SatoshiDICE

Send Erik Voorhees a PM, I believe he operates SatoshiDice.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=12149

Thank you.

To unclemantis:

I play the DICE before, I when I　withdraw from Mtgox ,I copy my address and it didn't success, so I past the address of DICE which I copy before. That is it.

First off. Slow the fuck down when sending BTC. DOUBLE CHECK YOUR PAYMENT ADDRESSES.

If this was indeed a mistake and not some kind of scam then I sincerely feel for you. If what you say is true, I would be freaking out too! That is a LOT OF FUCKING MONEY!

http://blockchain.info/ip-address/89.35.193.15
These indeed look like exchange transactions.

[unclemantis]

I just placed 2 bets valued at 0.001btc in honor of our fallen hero here. Both lost

I suggest you all do the same and if you win, forward the winnings to him.

It's worth a shot

[rockxie]

I just placed 2 bets valued at 0.001btc in honor of our fallen hero here. Both lost

I suggest you all do the same and if you win, forward the winnings to him.

It's worth a shot

Thanks for your suggest.

Today is my horrible day.

[unclemantis]

I just placed 2 bets valued at 0.001btc in honor of our fallen hero here. Both lost

I suggest you all do the same and if you win, forward the winnings to him.

It's worth a shot

Thanks for your suggest.

Today is my horrible day.

Live for today, for tomorrow is not guaranteed.

Tomorrow could be better. Tomorrow could very well be a lot worse.

If you are a Holy man then just see this MISTAKE as the word of God and gamble no more. Or you could just brush it off as bad luck and try your hand at the dice again!

Either way what is done is done and what you make of it deterims the rest of your day.

Now if you had just cashed in your weekly pay check bitcoins I am truly sorry to hear that too

[kwukduck]

Chances for that address are 50/50, why don't you try again? Get your coins back quickly

[unclemantis]

Chances for that address are 50/50, why don't you try again? Get your coins back quickly

+0.5

[TTBit]

Idea: A DB of addresses that pooled funds such as MtGox can contact so they don't send to them. Lottery and SD addresses come to mind.

[rjk]

Idea: A DB of addresses that pooled funds such as MtGox can contact so they don't send to them. Lottery and SD addresses come to mind.

Actually, while I am opposed to "blacklists" and such, it would make sense for mtgox to give warning when paying to known satoshidice addresses to prevent issues like this.

[unclemantis]

Idea: A DB of addresses that pooled funds such as MtGox can contact so they don't send to them. Lottery and SD addresses come to mind.

Will call it a the Red List.

[unclemantis]

Since MtGox doubles as a wallet. Perhaps we should make it a double confirm

"You are about to send X btc to a SatoshiDice address. Are you sure?"

[TTBit]

Idea: A DB of addresses that pooled funds such as MtGox can contact so they don't send to them. Lottery and SD addresses come to mind.

Actually, while I am opposed to "blacklists" and such, it would make sense for mtgox to give warning when paying to known satoshidice addresses to prevent issues like this.

Also, mixers such as the one from blockchain.info could add to the DB after the address is deleted

[TTBit]

...Or just call it a stupid tax

[giszmo]

I LOLd )

Idea: A DB of addresses that pooled funds such as MtGox can contact so they don't send to them. Lottery and SD addresses come to mind.

Actually, while I am opposed to "blacklists" and such, it would make sense for mtgox to give warning when paying to known satoshidice addresses to prevent issues like this.

If anything, MtGox and others should prevent sending to 1dice/… from addresses that can't be used as return addresses as this is 99.9% unintentional but on the other hand: I would go with the stupid tax comment and not burden business with any effort like that.

Anyway, thanx for the laugh

[Raoul Duke]

"Can I want my money back from SatoshiDICE?"
Yes you can.

"Can I have my money back from SatoshiDICE?"
I would say no.

[unclemantis]

I LOLd )

Idea: A DB of addresses that pooled funds such as MtGox can contact so they don't send to them. Lottery and SD addresses come to mind.

Actually, while I am opposed to "blacklists" and such, it would make sense for mtgox to give warning when paying to known satoshidice addresses to prevent issues like this.

If anything, MtGox and others should prevent sending to 1dice/… from addresses that can't be used as return addresses as this is 99.9% unintentional but on the other hand: I would go with the stupid tax comment and not burden business with any effort like that.

Anyway, thanx for the laugh

Let's say for instance that this bloke DID win. Where would the winnings go?

[evoorhees]

I'm new bitcoiner here.

Today, I made a serious mistake.

When I withdraw from Mtgox at 2012/07/26 02:40:48, I inputed the address of a SatoshiDICE (1dice97ECuByXAvqXpaYzSaQuPVvrtmz6)  and did not notice the error.

So, I lost 50BTC.

I would like to ask, Can I get back to me the BTC?

Is any SatoshiDICE staff here? Can anybody help me?

Rockxie - Unfortunately money sent to SatoshiDice from certain ewallets cannot be recovered. There is a warning on the front page of SatoshiDice explaining this:

WARNING: Only use wallets that allow you to receive Bitcoin from the same address you sent from. If you're not sure, test with .001 Bitcoins. If you get nothing back, then your wallet is not compatible.

So I am sorry to say that the funds cannot be returned. Any winnings from these bets go back to Gox, but they go into an account which Gox doesn't/can't access for some reason. It's possible the funds now belong to another Gox account holder. It's not really fair to bother Gox with this either, since SatoshiDice gives a very clear warning not to use it.  And if you lost the bet anyway, then there's no funds to return of course.

Please always be careful with bitcoins. The irreversible nature means you need to be diligent. You should not have sent a 50btc bet to a site that you didn't understand the mechanics of. I feel your pain, but please use this as a lesson for the future 

[rjk]

You should not have sent a 50btc bet to a site that you didn't understand the mechanics of.

It sounds like it was a cut-'n-paste error, but yes - always double and triple check the address and the amount.

[streblo]

You should not have sent a 50btc bet to a site that you didn't understand the mechanics of.

It sounds like it was a cut-'n-paste error, but yes - always double and triple check the address and the amount.

If only SatoshiDICE had some sort of vanity prefix for their addresses...   

[Vladimir]

evoorhees, I have a great idea here.

I want to send to the dice 50 BTC using proper client that can get incoming transfers to the transfer out source address just fine. It'll be 50/50 bet.

Then if I lose the bet I'll post on this forum and will tell ya opps I made a mistake, please refund. Pretty please! Sounds as a decent idea to me. What do you think?

[rebuilder]

Rockxie - Unfortunately money sent to SatoshiDice from certain ewallets cannot be recovered. There is a warning on the front page of SatoshiDice explaining this:

WARNING: Only use wallets that allow you to receive Bitcoin from the same address you sent from. If you're not sure, test with .001 Bitcoins. If you get nothing back, then your wallet is not compatible.

So I am sorry to say that the funds cannot be returned. Any winnings from these bets go back to Gox, but they go into an account which Gox doesn't/can't access for some reason. It's possible the funds now belong to another Gox account holder. It's not really fair to bother Gox with this either, since SatoshiDice gives a very clear warning not to use it.  And if you lost the bet anyway, then there's no funds to return of course.

Please always be careful with bitcoins. The irreversible nature means you need to be diligent. You should not have sent a 50btc bet to a site that you didn't understand the mechanics of. I feel your pain, but please use this as a lesson for the future 

Can you tell if the bet the OP placed won? Can you tell whether the address it was sent from is one of these send-only Gox addresses? If the bet didn't win and it really did come from a Gox address, you're out no BTC and you know he wasn't trying to scam you, right?

[evoorhees]

I'll give the OP the benefit of the doubt. I don't think he was trying to scam SatoshiDice, but in any case that's a good reason why "refunds" can't be given (even if it was possible to do so, which in this case, it's not).

[01BTC10]

Sorry but this look like angle shooting. I'm sorry for your loss.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advantage_gambling#Angle_shooting

[giszmo]

You should not have sent a 50btc bet to a site that you didn't understand the mechanics of.

It sounds like it was a cut-'n-paste error, but yes - always double and triple check the address and the amount.

If only SatoshiDICE had some sort of vanity prefix for their addresses...   

+1

[Frankie]

Can you tell if the bet the OP placed won? Can you tell whether the address it was sent from is one of these send-only Gox addresses? If the bet didn't win and it really did come from a Gox address, you're out no BTC and you know he wasn't trying to scam you, right?

If only a forum member had identified her bet already and determined the answers to these questions are: "lost, from a Mt.Gox account."

I'm afraid that it doesn't follow that it isn't a scam. If she had won, she would go to Mt.Gox instead and reclaim the profits by showing she placed the withdrawl. A scammee could bet that there's more than 1.8% chance SD would refund, which makes it a nice trick you could only get away with once. And if only once, why not for 50?

I believe OP made an honest mistake, but because it's impossible to know, the best policy is to hold a hard line.

[Kitemike]

rockxie, you need to quickly send 100 btc to that address and when it hits, you'll win back everything you lost.  If it doesn't win, send 200.  It's a sure thing!
 

[Stephen Gornick]

Idea: A DB of addresses that pooled funds such as MtGox can contact so they don't send to them. Lottery and SD addresses come to mind.

I submitted a support ticket to Mt. Gox requesting this capability:

There is the repeating situation where people are withdrawing from a Mt. Gox to an address which is incompatible with a hosted (shared) wallet like how Mt. Gox customer accounts use.

SatoshiDICE is one of these.  The betting site returns winnings (and commissions in losses as well) for all wagers to the sender's bitcoin address.  There have been numerous reports of a party not knowing Mt. Gox accounts aren't compatible in this manner and using it anyway.

While Mt. Gox isn't unique in maintaining a hosted (shared) wallet for its customer accounts, it is the largest.    It might be good customer service to at a minimum maintain a blacklist of static bitcoin addresses where any BTC withdrawal requests from Mt.Gox are checked against this list.  If there is a match either the request is rejected or at a minimum the user is warned before proceeding.

There are multiple services like this ... SatoshiDICE, BTCDice, BitLotto, and a handful of others much smaller.

There might even be a way to automate this where any service that is incompatible with EWallets can submit a request to be blocked.  The request would be a standardized format and be submitted as a message using the message signing feature available in the Bitcoin.org client.  There would probably be two messages for this, one to add a block, anther to clear a block.  That's far down the road though. 

At present it is just a handful of addresses which would be best if they were excluded.

Would Mt. Gox take the proactive step and add some method to either block or warn the user when these withdrawal requests are made?

SatoshiDICE could add one restriction.  If the coin happened to be coming from a green address (such as those from Mt. Gox, Instawallet or wherever else they are offered) to return it without treating it as a wager.  That's would only solve a tiny fraction of these as most are not Green Address withdrawals, but it likely will happen a few times.

[ErebusBat]

But I can't find any contact infomation of SatoshiDICE

Send Erik Voorhees a PM, I believe he operates SatoshiDice.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=12149

Thank you.  I have sended  him a message when I made the mistake,but he didn't reply.I will pm him again.

To unclemantis:

I play the DICE before, I when I　withdraw from Mtgox ,I copy my address and it didn't success, so I past the address of DICE which I copy before. That is it.

I made a similar mistake recently with SD... I intended to be 0.4 BTC and bet 4.0 BTC (Of 5.5 I had just bought)

Guess what?  It lost.

I didn't go whining to erik because it was my mistake, I was bummed the rest of the night.  But at least it wasn't a larger amount.  It has made me much more vigilant and double check everything.  The only stupid mistakes are the ones you don't learn from.

[Maged]

Idea: A DB of addresses that pooled funds such as MtGox can contact so they don't send to them. Lottery and SD addresses come to mind.

I submitted a support ticket to Mt. Gox requesting this capability:

There is the repeating situation where people are withdrawing from a Mt. Gox to an address which is incompatible with a hosted (shared) wallet like how Mt. Gox customer accounts use.

SatoshiDICE is one of these.  The betting site returns winnings (and commissions in losses as well) for all wagers to the sender's bitcoin address.  There have been numerous reports of a party not knowing Mt. Gox accounts aren't compatible in this manner and using it anyway.

While Mt. Gox isn't unique in maintaining a hosted (shared) wallet for its customer accounts, it is the largest.    It might be good customer service to at a minimum maintain a blacklist of static bitcoin addresses where any BTC withdrawal requests from Mt.Gox are checked against this list.  If there is a match either the request is rejected or at a minimum the user is warned before proceeding.

There are multiple services like this ... SatoshiDICE, BTCDice, BitLotto, and a handful of others much smaller.

There might even be a way to automate this where any service that is incompatible with EWallets can submit a request to be blocked.  The request would be a standardized format and be submitted as a message using the message signing feature available in the Bitcoin.org client.  There would probably be two messages for this, one to add a block, anther to clear a block.  That's far down the road though. 

At present it is just a handful of addresses which would be best if they were excluded.

Would Mt. Gox take the proactive step and add some method to either block or warn the user when these withdrawal requests are made?

SatoshiDICE could add one restriction.  If the coin happened to be coming from a green address (such as those from Mt. Gox, Instawallet or wherever else they are offered) to return it without treating it as a wager.  That's would only solve a tiny fraction of these as most are not Green Address withdrawals, but it likely will happen a few times.

Better yet, MtGox can make themselves compatible with SatoshiDice by including a return address in the transactions (by using the feature that many gambling sites now support where you send exactly 0.00543210 to the address you want the funds to go back to) to any address starting with 1dice or that were registered with MtGox with your proposed method.

[FreeMoney]

I mean mistakes happen and I feel a little bad for you, but if you even glanced at what you were pasting you would see "1dice...".

[ErebusBat]

Can you tell if the bet the OP placed won? Can you tell whether the address it was sent from is one of these send-only Gox addresses? If the bet didn't win and it really did come from a Gox address, you're out no BTC and you know he wasn't trying to scam you, right?

Can you imagine the precedent this will set if they returned a losing bet? 

In that case I think SD should return my 4 BTC bet as I was using a martingale and can prove so that it was a mistake I didn't double check my numbers.  (You can bet your ass if I had won on that bet I wouldn't have sent the balance to erik/SD as a donation).

dumb dumb dumb

[rebuilder]

Can you tell if the bet the OP placed won? Can you tell whether the address it was sent from is one of these send-only Gox addresses? If the bet didn't win and it really did come from a Gox address, you're out no BTC and you know he wasn't trying to scam you, right?

Can you imagine the precedent this will set if they returned a losing bet? 

If the BTC returned to the gox addresses really can't be recovered by anyone, it's something of a special case, isn't it?. But Evorhees says he can't return anything, so that's that.

[ErebusBat]

Can you tell if the bet the OP placed won? Can you tell whether the address it was sent from is one of these send-only Gox addresses? If the bet didn't win and it really did come from a Gox address, you're out no BTC and you know he wasn't trying to scam you, right?

Can you imagine the precedent this will set if they returned a losing bet? 

If the BTC returned to the gox addresses really can't be recovered by anyone, it's something of a special case, isn't it?. But Evorhees says he can't return anything, so that's that.

That is the problem... everyone thinks their case is special.  Trust me the last thing erik wants to do is start making exceptions.  The rule of "all bets are final" is *much* better.  The support headache that would be incurred by SD would be astronomical.

It sucks, I know.  I didn't do it with 50BTC, but I am not rich and even 4 BTC (4.6 actually) is still significant for me.  But I learn and I move on so hopefully i don't have to pay the stupid tax on another larger, or more important transfer, in the future.

[rockxie]

But I can't find any contact infomation of SatoshiDICE

Send Erik Voorhees a PM, I believe he operates SatoshiDice.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=12149

Thank you.  I have sended  him a message when I made the mistake,but he didn't reply.I will pm him again.

To unclemantis:

I play the DICE before, I when I　withdraw from Mtgox ,I copy my address and it didn't success, so I past the address of DICE which I copy before. That is it.

I made a similar mistake recently with SD... I intended to be 0.4 BTC and bet 4.0 BTC (Of 5.5 I had just bought)

Guess what?  It lost.

I didn't go whining to erik because it was my mistake, I was bummed the rest of the night.  But at least it wasn't a larger amount.  It has made me much more vigilant and double check everything.  The only stupid mistakes are the ones you don't learn from.

It looks that  I am not the only one to make the same mistakes.

I am glad that my example has caused people some of the thinking and discussion about the bitcoin address copy mistake.

In fact, I'm just new in this forum,and I　have  heard bitcoin  for a long time．

I was fascinated when I first know it.

I have been committed to the promotion and introduction to other new bitcoiners at my site www.TTbit.com.

I know, it is almost impossible to get my bitcoins back because this is my mistake,but it is meaningful for  bitcoiners who are always careless.

And  I have another question:

If there is a virus  who's the only function is make some bitcoiner's pasteboard to his master's address,what will happen ? Each person will always make mistakes especially when he isn't familar with the deal.

[FreeMoney]

How did you pick the name TTbit.com?

[BkkCoins]

This isn't really a discretionary decision for Erik either. He really cannot reliably know that the 50 btc dice roll originated from the same person as claimed. Even if he accepted it was a mistake and it came from a Gox address he can't return it to that address without it vanishing randomly since that return address doesn't belong to the claimant. And it isn't reasonable to return it to some other address the claimant provides since there's no link between the origin address with the claimant.

Anyone could scan the blockchain, find a suitable candidate loss, claim it was sent by him and beg for it back. He really has no choice but to just stick to the posted rules and not manually intervene, despite it being a real shame.


Re: TTbit.com - wow, I wonder what all those Chinese symbols are saying...

[TTBit]

I have been committed to the promotion and introduction to other new bitcoiners at my site www.TTbit.com.

I just happen to reply to the thread of the guy who owns TTBit.com? Am I being setup?

[John (John K.)]

I have been committed to the promotion and introduction to other new bitcoiners at my site www.TTbit.com.

I just happen to reply to the thread of the guy who owns TTBit.com? Am I being setup?

Now I wonder who actually owns ttbit.com. 

[dooglus]

If the coin happened to be coming from a green address (such as those from Mt. Gox, Instawallet or wherever else they are offered) to return it without treating it as a wager.

Return it to what address?  If they return it to the green address then the originating account won't get credit for it.

[dooglus]

rockxie, you need to quickly send 100 btc to that address and when it hits, you'll win back everything you lost.  If it doesn't win, send 200.  It's a sure thing!
 

It looks like he tried winning it back, won, and then wasn't paid out: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=96664

[Jake]

If you think about it, I truly think he did make the mistake. Who would bet, without an address that is accessible by him?

[dooglus]

If you think about it, I truly think he did make the mistake. Who would bet, without an address that is accessible by him?

Someone who had read the forums and seen anecdotal evidence that with enough nagging MtGox will refund you you your SatoshiDice winnings?

I think he made an honest mistake though.

[Dalkore]

You should not have sent a 50btc bet to a site that you didn't understand the mechanics of.

It sounds like it was a cut-'n-paste error, but yes - always double and triple check the address and the amount.

If only SatoshiDICE had some sort of vanity prefix for their addresses...   

This is what I have been thinking.  Something doesn't add up.

[smoothie]

I just placed 2 bets valued at 0.001btc in honor of our fallen hero here. Both lost

I suggest you all do the same and if you win, forward the winnings to him.

It's worth a shot

Thanks for your suggest.

Today is my horrible day.

Yes also you're horrible engrish day. 

[dooglus]

Today is my horrible day.

Yes also you're horrible engrish day. 

Your.

[rjk]

Today is my horrible day.

Yes also you're horrible engrish day. 

Your.

http://badum-tish.com/