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May 20, 2015, 11:32:17 PM |
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I've never looked at it. I see a whole bunch of signature ads from them, and figured it was "just another dice site", but one with a big ad budget. I hope they're not spending investor funds on ad campaigns with the hope of earning the coins back later. That would be dangerous. If only there was a simple way they could prove they aren't doing that...
If this was the case, we would have already heard it here on BCT. I don't want to comment on rest but the very first point: "it could be them withdrawing the same coins to their own wallet over and over again to make it look good" I think any one can now verify that using blockchain. One of the guys has already posted associated addresses with Da Dice wallet So this would just be speculation / allegation. Its not Da Dice's duty to proof anything, it duty of person who makes such allegations to prove it.
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May 20, 2015, 11:42:36 PM |
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What a stupid analysis composition! See.. you all your transactions show the "Change Back" to 1HMA... address The 18 BTC transaction also carries a withdrawal flag and now regarding Darknet or anything, even you could go there now and as a user of Da Dice withdraw to any bitcoin address of your choice. In fact the very same can be done at any site. I don't personally care how much they have received or paid, it was just a point I raised after noticing. Apart from one transaction, all of them carry withdrawal flags. Have you not found anything such thing on PrimeDice or PRC hot wallets? Do you want me to check that for you ? My point remains same... Many of you are concerned and many of you (dice owners especially Dean the Fraud) didn't post their own cold storage address for MONTHS even after investment option was there. Show your concerns and leave If you over do it, its spamming and hijaking.
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May 20, 2015, 11:46:51 PM |
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Remind me to never piss this guy off lol
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May 20, 2015, 11:49:27 PM |
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Remind me to never piss this guy off lol Huh!!! ahahhahah.... OR you could just offer him a BJ. He is talking about a HOT wallet (suddently the whole debate has moved form COLD to HOT because no one can justify their own delays in publically showing cold storage) A god forsaken hot wallet is a hot wallet... A user can withdraw from it TO ANY address, including but not limited to exchangers, dark net, pimps and hoes, drugs dealers, etc... (Now later dean will come back quoting one these posting, totally negelcting my last that I made for him after quoting him... Usual dean )
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May 20, 2015, 11:54:25 PM |
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Remind me to never piss this guy off lol Huh!!! ahahhahah.... OR you could just offer him a BJ. He is talking about a HOT wallet (suddently the whole debate has moved form COLD to HOT because no one can justify their own delays in publically showing cold storage) A god forsaken hot wallet is a hot wallet... A user can withdraw from it TO ANY address, including but not limited to exchangers, dark net, pimps and hoes, drugs dealers, etc... (Now later dean will come back quoting one these posting, totally negelcting my last that I made for him after quoting him... Usual dean ) You should just use the DaDice account this newbie one is far too knowledgeable.
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May 20, 2015, 11:56:03 PM |
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I've never looked at it. I see a whole bunch of signature ads from them, and figured it was "just another dice site", but one with a big ad budget. I hope they're not spending investor funds on ad campaigns with the hope of earning the coins back later.
If this was the case, we would have already heard it here on BCT. How would anyone know? I don't want to comment on rest but the very first point: "it could be them withdrawing the same coins to their own wallet over and over again to make it look good" I think any one can now verify that using blockchain. One of the guys has already posted associated addresses with Da Dice wallet So this would just be speculation / allegation. Its not Da Dice's duty to proof anything, it duty of person who makes such allegations to prove it. I'm not claiming they are doing anything wrong. I was simply saying that without proof of solvency it *is possible* that they are insolvent. I don't need to prove that they are insolvent, and they don't need to prove that they are solvent. It would just look better for them if they could prove it. It still obviously wouldn't stop them from being able to steal everyone's coins, but it would at least instil extra confidence in potential investors.
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May 20, 2015, 11:58:53 PM |
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However this is clearly not the case. There are no large amounts going into or out of the two known DaDice wallets (mentioned above) of any meaningful magnitude.
Isn't it the same as what Da Dice admin said here earlier? My point is simple -> If PRC, BitDice didn't issue cold storage addresses from the point they offered ivnestmetns on their site, they have no justificaiton to demand it from Da Dice either... If you're not an investor of Da Dice you cannot ask for a cold storage address. If they refuse to do so, You can simply divest your investment on not invest there at all.. Wait until they issue one in public... screaming "Possible Scams" here is IMO just allegations.
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May 21, 2015, 12:03:06 AM |
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ANOTHER SHIFT IN THE TOP THREE!!!!!!!
LNMH has retaken top position from DenDiesel! Who will come out on top? Watch this space!
Rank Username Commission 1 LNMH 0.01778543 2 DenDiesel 0.01501130 3 RapToR 0.00730185
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May 21, 2015, 12:05:02 AM |
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How would anyone know?
I mean if I was an investor, I would too be concerned about it and ask the management the very same question here but I didn't simply because I don't have that priviledge. But sooner or later, if this was the case, we would have heard from any Da Dice investor here I'm not claiming they are doing anything wrong. I was simply saying that without proof of solvency it *is possible* that they are insolvent. I don't need to prove that they are insolvent, and they don't need to prove that they are solvent. It would just look better for them if they could prove it. It still obviously wouldn't stop them from being able to steal everyone's coins, but it would at least instil extra confidence in potential investors.
+1 dooglus. Wiser words have never been spoken!!!
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May 21, 2015, 12:09:56 AM |
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However this is clearly not the case. There are no large amounts going into or out of the two known DaDice wallets (mentioned above) of any meaningful magnitude.
Isn't it the same as what Da Dice admin said here earlier? My point is simple -> If PRC, BitDice didn't issue cold storage addresses from the point they offered ivnestmetns on their site, they have no justificaiton to demand it from Da Dice either... If you're not an investor of Da Dice you cannot ask for a cold storage address. If they refuse to do so, You can simply divest your investment on not invest there at all.. Wait until they issue one in public... screaming "Possible Scams" here is IMO just allegations. As mentioned above, just use your DaDice account. It is fairly obvious that you are shilling for them. As Dooglus mentioned above, it usually takes a little while for someone to ask for a cold storage address, however once they do there is no real reason not to show it. Additionally once sites are asked for their cold storage addresses, they are usually very quick to provide them. Furthermore, just because someone else did something wrong in the past does not mean that you (DaDice) have the right to do the same wrong thing. Regarding no one having any standing to demand they show a public cold storage address, that is not how this community works. There have been too many scams in the past that people will simply stand by and allow someone to continue to perpetrate a scam. People ask questions, often times tough questions and when satisfactory answers cannot be provided, then the scam starts to fall apart
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May 21, 2015, 12:13:57 AM |
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As Dooglus mentioned above,....
What dooglus has mentioned, you can read in his last post.
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May 21, 2015, 12:32:32 AM |
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Dyaaahhh! Why don't you try that as well if it seems so easy...
I did, and always have Anyway these are again allegations with out evidence. So you should also do some little research and come back with evidences before posting "anything".
I'm not sure which allegations you are referring to? It does no such thing. Bustabit has never, and still does not take investor money in any form. So it took you 8-10 months to publich cold storage address??? HAHAHAHA
Actually MoneyPot has published proof of assets (in the form of 200 BTC) before it took the first satoshi of investor funding. In fact MoneyPot goes a step further and published a proof-of-liabilities as well: https://www.moneypot.com/proof-of-liabilities.txt So I really have no idea what you're talking about.
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May 21, 2015, 12:38:38 AM |
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So it took you 8-10 months to publich cold storage address??? HAHAHAHA
Actually MoneyPot has published proof of assets (in the form of 200 BTC) before it took the first satoshi of investor funding. MoneyPot goes a step further and published a proof-of-liabilities as well: https://www.moneypot.com/proof-of-liabilities.txt So I really have no idea what you're talking about. Those rubbish hashes are irrelevant and they prove NOTHING... (underlined) What I am talking about is clearly: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=709185.msg9263166#msg9263166You are talking investments from AT LEAST October 2014. Your cold storage address is from 10th April 2015. Here is another proof that by refering to post of dooglus. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=709185.msg9260044#msg9260044 that investment option was there even before october 2014. Bustabit is formerly MoneyPot and the thread link I provided now titles "Bustaabit.com" now you have edited your post. it makes extremely difficult for me to quote every item... About allegations you made... They are what you said "(Constantly depositing and withdrawing). "
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May 21, 2015, 12:43:16 AM |
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Actually MoneyPot has published proof of assets (in the form of 200 BTC) before it took the first satoshi of investor funding. MoneyPot goes a step further and published a proof-of-liabilities as well: https://www.moneypot.com/proof-of-liabilities.txt So I really have no idea what you're talking about. He's understandably confused between moneypot.com (the game, now called bustabit) and moneypot.com (what used to be known as 'vault'). Those rubbish hashes are irrelevant and they prove NOTHING... (underlined) What I am talking about is clearly:
You are talking investments from AT LEAST October 2014. Your cold storage address is from 10th April 2015.
Maybe you don't understand what the hashes prove. That's different than them not meaning anything. MoneyPot (the game) never took public investments. MoneyPot (the vault) only recently opened. They are quite separate things, although I understand your confusion since they've both used the same domain name!
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May 21, 2015, 12:45:10 AM |
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For someone who's riled against alt-accounts so much, why don't you post on your main account? Those rubbish hashes are irrelevant and they prove NOTHING... (underlined) What I am talking about is clearly:
Yes they do. They allow anyone to make sure I'm counting them in the proof of liabilities. Otherwise what could happen is I pretend I owe less money than I do (e.g underestimate the bankroll) and operate fractional reserving that way. The proof of liabilities allows anyone to make sure I'm counting their money in the total money I owe people. Please read your own link. I have never accepted investments before April 11th this year, at which time before I did I went to the trouble of proving both assets and liabilities.
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May 21, 2015, 12:53:58 AM |
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He's understandably confused between moneypot.com (the game, now called bustabit) and moneypot.com (what used to be known as 'vault').
Maybe you don't understand what the hashes prove. That's different than them not meaning anything.
MoneyPot (the game) never took public investments. MoneyPot (the vault) only recently opened. They are quite separate things, although I understand your confusion since they've both used the same domain name!
bustabit has never, and still does not take investor money in any form.
and: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=709185.msg9260044#msg9260044Re: MoneyPot.com -- The Social Gambling Game Yeah, Dooglus' involvement in Money Pot is limited to having a blue username with the ability to temporarily mute spammers =D
I informally invested 53 BTC in the bankroll for about 24 hours and made 11 BTC, or in other words 20% overnight. Eric forcibly divested me the next day. ok I will admit that is a bit confusing and I might have made a mistake too since dooglus is clearing it up as well. But since you have cleared what I misunderstood as well: That's my fault, I think I wasn't overly clear and got misunderstood. I did not mean to accuse DaDice of faking any statistics: I'm referring to players. Players tend to make a lot of deposits and withdrawals. I don't mean that as a bad thing, or an allegation at all. It's just how players behave.
No hard feeling there I am glad this is cleared up now. Thanks!
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May 21, 2015, 05:10:06 AM Last edit: May 21, 2015, 05:59:54 AM by dooglus |
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MoneyPot (the game) never took public investments.
and: I informally invested 53 BTC in the bankroll for about 24 hours and made 11 BTC, or in other words 20% overnight. Eric forcibly divested me the next day. The game never took investments from the public. I came to a private arrangement with Eric to help him out with some coins when the site was going through a rough patch. I didn't actually even send him the 53 BTC, I just told him I would send it if he needed it. I guess it was the first ever "offsite investment", infinitely leveraged. He still sent me the 11 BTC profit though.
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May 21, 2015, 05:45:36 AM |
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MoneyPot (the game) never took public investments.
and: I informally invested 53 BTC in the bankroll for about 24 hours and made 11 BTC, or in other words 20% overnight. Eric forcibly divested me the next day. The game never took investments from the public. I came to a private arrangement with Eric to help him out with some coins when the site was going through a rough patch. I didn't actually even send him the 53 BTC, I just told him I would send it if he needed it. I guess it was the first ever "offsite investment", infinitely leverasged. He still sent me the 11 BTC profit though. Yes, that was the confusing part.
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May 21, 2015, 07:51:35 AM |
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MoneyPot (the game) never took public investments.
and: I informally invested 53 BTC in the bankroll for about 24 hours and made 11 BTC, or in other words 20% overnight. Eric forcibly divested me the next day. The game never took investments from the public. I came to a private arrangement with Eric to help him out with some coins when the site was going through a rough patch. I didn't actually even send him the 53 BTC, I just told him I would send it if he needed it. I guess it was the first ever "offsite investment", infinitely leverasged. He still sent me the 11 BTC profit though. Yes, that was the confusing part. That doesn't seem like the confusing part, but rather thats what you called being honest and transparent. That just how some of the sites operate.
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