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[shorena]

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That is a reasonable point, whatever you post in a foreign language section is basically unmoderated.  Nevertheless, I think I also have a valid point which is don't these guys want the advertising there?  Also, couldn't the campaign manager communicate with the moderator of that subforum if someone was making rubbish posts.  I imagine that one of the conditions of being a subforum moderator would be the ability to communicate in English.

Lets assume for a second that a manager is looking for constructive posters instead of constructive posts (see my earlier post[1]). In that case the manager of said campaign could hire someone trustworthy that understand the language spoken in the local section. This person could judge the overal quality of the posts of someone applying and maybe reevaluate after some time. This would allow the managers to advertise in local sections and still maintain a reasonable quality of post(s/ers). I think certain section would certainly be worth the investment. E.g. if the site you are advertising for is also available in russian/chinese/thai it makes no sense to leave those markets out of the picture. Esp. China is huge in terms of bitcoin.

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Not only would the advertiser benefit but the system should, at least in theory, increase the average quality of posts across the board since it would provide an incentive for users to create higher quality posts.

I would argue not only does the board (or system) benefit, but its essential to keep signature campaigns an option for admins. I dont think a bot can do this currently either, but I think bitmixer.io is not high enough of the pay per post scale to make a big difference in spam. Esp. since it has no lower limit in posts its an excelent campaign for those that dont post much.

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Of course you're right that this is indeed beyond the scope of most signature ad campaigns but in fact we might have the technology to do this, given the work.  Imagine you train a classifier on the posts of a thread and then measure the perplexity of a given post with respect to that thread, I wonder if you could find the right set of features such that this sort of framework could be a proxy for "constructiveness".  

The question remains who defines what constructive is. As we can see with this thread, there is no easy answer. Anyone of us has a feeling for a posts constructiveness, but its hard to quantify. You cant say this post has 4/7 constructiveness. AI systems do not necessarily need to quantify things to judge them, but who should train such an AI? Maybe if we had 1 billion $ for the new board...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=995029.new#new

Thread will be locked soon. You can continue the discussion there.

Ill just post this there I guess


[1] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=990799.msg10789271#msg10789271

[erikalui]

The limit per week whether min or max should be removed as some members who post constructively make very few posts and it gets difficult to reach the minimum of 20 posts for them but their posts might benefit the campaign 

[shorena]

The limit per week whether min or max should be removed as some members who post constructively make very few posts and it gets difficult to reach the minimum of 20 posts for them but their posts might benefit the campaign 

I think a maximum number of posts is reasonable as it discourages spam. To be honest I get paid very well for 100 posts, Im not even sure I actually made 100 last week, but I trust ndnhc did double check the count. I think Quickseller is somewhere in the region of ~150 posts per week. If someone posts that much its fine, but there should not be an incententive beyond a certain number of posts. There have been unlimited campaigns in the past (e.g. Primedice) and it always caused problems. Im not sure if Bit-X is still without upper limit. Seeing the number of banned accounts with their signature recently, they are proving my point.

I can also understand the reason behind a minimum number of posts. Our manager wants active participants not seemingly dead accounts. I still think it would be a nice guesture to pay those that are activly posting in a constructive way, but just cant reach the minimum. I did not check whether this was done though. Im also a bit biased on this, because I know there will be a time in the future when the semester break is over and I might have trouble reaching the minimum requirements. On the other hand its either a big enough deal for me to switch campaigns or not and keep the signature regardless.

I tend to go for casinos, because I like to gamble. If I like the casino I might as well keep the signature (esp. with a ref link) even though I dont get paid for it. DADICE has an unfinished feeling atm, but thats expected and normal in the beginning. Their admins work hard to improve the site and if they keep doing that we might see another established casino with crowd investors.

[shulio]

I think the maximum of 100 is already hard for me to achieve since it is mentioned that it is a 100 constructive post even if you made more than 100, some could get excluded because it is not constructive enough, bu i voted to raise the maximum to encourage more great poster to join this campaign and also to encourage that poster like quickseller or shorena to be paid more since they always exceeded the 100 constructive post mark

[erikalui]

I think a maximum number of posts is reasonable as it discourages spam. To be honest I get paid very well for 100 posts, Im not even sure I actually made 100 last week, but I trust ndnhc did double check the count. I think Quickseller is somewhere in the region of ~150 posts per week. If someone posts that much its fine, but there should not be an incententive beyond a certain number of posts. There have been unlimited campaigns in the past (e.g. Primedice) and it always caused problems. Im not sure if Bit-X is still without upper limit. Seeing the number of banned accounts with their signature recently, they are proving my point.

I can also understand the reason behind a minimum number of posts. Our manager wants active participants not seemingly dead accounts. I still think it would be a nice guesture to pay those that are activly posting in a constructive way, but just cant reach the minimum. I did not check whether this was done though. Im also a bit biased on this, because I know there will be a time in the future when the semester break is over and I might have trouble reaching the minimum requirements. On the other hand its either a big enough deal for me to switch campaigns or not and keep the signature regardless.

I tend to go for casinos, because I like to gamble. If I like the casino I might as well keep the signature (esp. with a ref link) even though I dont get paid for it. DADICE has an unfinished feeling atm, but thats expected and normal in the beginning. Their admins work hard to improve the site and if they keep doing that we might see another established casino with crowd investors.

Probably you're right about the min and max posts but those who make 10+ posts constructively, they could get a chance if the min post count isn't limited.

Also, since this campaign is taking into account constructive posts only and is stricter than other campaigns, the spamming could be controlled. Just my opinion.

[arallmuus]

Probably you're right about the min and max posts but those who make 10+ posts constructively, they could get a chance if the min post count isn't limited.

Also, since this campaign is taking into account constructive posts only and is stricter than other campaigns, the spamming could be controlled. Just my opinion.

this is a good quote from ndnhc

Never post for the campaign. Post because you want to post.

post because you wanted to post for the forum , to actually voice your opinions here, therefore i voted to not put in any minimum limit, if a guy manage only 1 constructive post, he should be paid for his effort
making a post limit of 20 posts to get paid will only decrease the quality of the post as some people tend to catch this up at the last minutes



I guess this is how the campaign gonna hold of spammers, actually a good idea

A few has been removed for this week.

Enrollment will be stricter from this week. Based on previous post quality. There may be a few denied from this week.

[ndnh]

Special Announcement!

The minimum post restriction has been waived for very good quality posters.

The bonus has been changed to 0.1BTC each for top 3 constructive posters every week..

[arallmuus]

Special Announcement!

The minimum post restriction has been waived for very good quality posters.

The bonus has been changed to 0.1BTC for top 3 constructive posters.

does this mean that there will be a 0.1 x 3 bonus each week for the constructive poster or 3 of the week constructive poster will share the bonus among them?

[ndnh]

Special Announcement!

The minimum post restriction has been waived for very good quality posters.

The bonus has been changed to 0.1BTC for top 3 constructive posters.

does this mean that there will be a 0.1 x 3 bonus each week for the constructive poster or 3 of the week constructive poster will share the bonus among them?

Yeah, there will be 3 winners of 0.1BTC each every week.


Oops, I will edit that to make it more proper. In the Signature thread OP, it was done right, I think.

[arallmuus]

Special Announcement!

The minimum post restriction has been waived for very good quality posters.

The bonus has been changed to 0.1BTC for top 3 constructive posters.

does this mean that there will be a 0.1 x 3 bonus each week for the constructive poster or 3 of the week constructive poster will share the bonus among them?

Yeah, there will be 3 winners of 0.1BTC each every week.


Oops, I will edit that to make it more proper. In the Signature thread OP, it was done right, I think.

I think this is much better words to express that it is actually 3 x 0.1 bonus

BONUS
A bonus of 0.1BTC will be awarded to each of the TOP 3 Constructive Posters every weeks!

anyway im up for correction since English isnt my native language

[tspacepilot]

Special Announcement!

The minimum post restriction has been waived for very good quality posters.

The bonus has been changed to 0.1BTC each for top 3 constructive posters every week..

Oh this is pretty exciting.  I think I may have a chance to end up in the top 3 but there was no way I was gonna outshine Quickseller/Shorena/allusmus.  Also, I was about to post about removing the minimum post requirement (not that I've had a hard time reaching it), just that at approx 1 mBTC per post even one post is quite above the dust limit and, as you say, people should post because they feel inspired to do so, not because they are in a campaign.

Excellent news and good decision, IMO.

[ndnh]

Thanks


Well, I want all of your opinion regarding what payout should each board get:
Like we can say: (with random amounts)
Gambling section gets 1.25x
Other marketplace boards get 1.1x
Offtopic gets 0.1x
Meta gets 0.25x?

etc..


Also, since we don't rely on a bot to do the counting, do you have any ideas we could implement in making this er.. weighted counting more efficient?
(that is assuming we differentiate between constructive and non-constructive)

[tspacepilot]

Thanks


Well, I want all of your opinion regarding what payout should each board get:
Like we can say: (with random amounts)
Gambling section gets 1.25x
Other marketplace boards get 1.1x
Offtopic gets 0.1x
Meta gets 0.25x?

etc..


Also, since we don't rely on a bot to do the counting, do you have any ideas we could implement in making this er.. weighted counting more efficient?
(that is assuming we differentiate between constructive and non-constructive)

I wrote something about this in the main campaign thread (whoops) but I'll reiterate here for convenience sake.  I hope you do not go down this route.  As you insinuate, counting will become more difficult and what's more, we begin to have an incentive to post in boards we wouldn't otherwise post in because of the weights.  You have reiterated "post because you want to post" but implenting weights for subfora works against this, IMO.

[arallmuus]

Thanks


Well, I want all of your opinion regarding what payout should each board get:
Like we can say: (with random amounts)
Gambling section gets 1.25x
Other marketplace boards get 1.1x
Offtopic gets 0.1x
Meta gets 0.25x?

etc..


Also, since we don't rely on a bot to do the counting, do you have any ideas we could implement in making this er.. weighted counting more efficient?
(that is assuming we differentiate between constructive and non-constructive)

I dont think this is actually a good idea, this rules will encourage people to spam the marketplace, especially the gambling boards as people want higher payment

All boards should be equal except those of games and rounds, investor based and off-topic,

[erikalui]

I wrote something about this in the main campaign thread (whoops) but I'll reiterate here for convenience sake.  I hope you do not go down this route.  As you insinuate, counting will become more difficult and what's more, we begin to have an incentive to post in boards we wouldn't otherwise post in because of the weights.  You have reiterated "post because you want to post" but implenting weights for subfora works against this, IMO.

Exactly and completely agree with you. People will start posting mainly in the GAMBLING section and avoid the other sections of the forum and I am not saying all will do that but since that section has a higher weight age, they will restrict their posts to that section which shouldn't be the case. Only people who gamble should post there else others may do it just for the campaign.

[ndnh]

Thanks


Well, I want all of your opinion regarding what payout should each board get:
Like we can say: (with random amounts)
Gambling section gets 1.25x
Other marketplace boards get 1.1x
Offtopic gets 0.1x
Meta gets 0.25x?

etc..


Also, since we don't rely on a bot to do the counting, do you have any ideas we could implement in making this er.. weighted counting more efficient?
(that is assuming we differentiate between constructive and non-constructive)

I wrote something about this in the main campaign thread (whoops) but I'll reiterate here for convenience sake.  I hope you do not go down this route.  As you insinuate, counting will become more difficult and what's more, we begin to have an incentive to post in boards we wouldn't otherwise post in because of the weights.  You have reiterated "post because you want to post" but implenting weights for subfora works against this, IMO.

Well, you still post where you want to post.
You don't have to post in a board just because it has more payout. It won't be a big difference. May be a small increase. Anyway, it is dadice who suggested. We are discussing on it. After that when we reach a conclusion, we can talk more about that.

Yes, it is going to be a pain to count the posts like that. So, we need a method in case it is adopted.

[ndnh]

Well, there is a way to count it indicatively https://docs.google.com/forms/d/14mkNdaj0AYWkThqX1pbVLQUtjvOucg-Iuhr0OY6ppfc/viewform?usp=send_form  (so that we can avoid variations due to human error)


I will start a poll, on the weightage issue soon. But first let us be patient, and wait for the discussion to be over. Otherwise, you won't know what you are fighting against.

Here are the points we have till now:
Pros:
1. Effective advertising (negatives are in cons)
2. Most likely, all boards, even off-topic will have some weight.

Cons:
1. Promotes spam
2. Gets people to post in where they don't really want to?

etc. Let us not discuss this any further for 24 to 48 hours.

[shorena]

Well, there is a way to count it indicatively https://docs.google.com/forms/d/14mkNdaj0AYWkThqX1pbVLQUtjvOucg-Iuhr0OY6ppfc/viewform?usp=send_form  (so that we can avoid variations due to human error)
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I filled that form, not sure what you get out of it though. Maybe you can shed some light on it when you are back.

[ndnh]

Well, there is a way to count it indicatively https://docs.google.com/forms/d/14mkNdaj0AYWkThqX1pbVLQUtjvOucg-Iuhr0OY6ppfc/viewform?usp=send_form  (so that we can avoid variations due to human error)
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I filled that form, not sure what you get out of it though. Maybe you can shed some light on it when you are back.

Go to the old spreadsheet and click on 'New Enrollees'  tab and you will see your entry there.

(I removed your entry though. Double entry plus the post count you entered is more than the post count we are supposed to start counting from)

[SebastianJu]

A bonus that will be paid out randomly to any of the constructive posters each time might be an idea. 

Regarding what is constructive. I think the most important thing for posts for an campaign is that the signature takes views. Not only pageviews but people actually looking at the signature. Pointing out to look at the signature would bring something in a post though it would be spam. So the only other solution would be to post something that keeps the eye for some while. Raising the chance to read the signature. Helpful posts might mean this. Too long posts most probably not.

It would be way better when the posts are done in an related area. So like gambling subforum or threads. Because there is the target audience.

And if you put a link in signature. Simply blue, underlined, the way you would await a link too look. Then even make it uppercase. Then you would even get more clicks than with graphics because one overlooks graphics fast but simple textlinks for some reason gain more clicks.

At least thats what i learned from experience with my internet marketing time.

If you really want to go pro then you need to use dynamic links. So you can see where the new visitors to the site came from. Which thread, which writer. Then you can go on optimizing.

If i would run such a campaing then i would make sure to optimize it. Otherwise you most probably throw money out of the window.

[NUFCrichard]

As you can see, I am not a member of the Dadice campaign, but I find the conversation interesting anyway.
I think really, you need to tell us what Dadice want to get out of the campaign, rather than us telling you.  Obviously as signature users, we want to be able to post as often as possible and get the highest returns possible.  I assume Dadice wants to get their name associated with trustworthy forum members and high quality posts made on boards that will encourage users to use Dadice in the future.

To that end, I would say that a minimum post count isn't useful for you.  A maximum is useful, as it is near impossible to post more than 100x a week and not have a lot of filler posts, even if they are not spam.
Weekly/monthly makes no difference really, I personally find weekly better as I don't have to worry about the company running away having had 3+ weeks of advertising, but it isn't a game changer if the campaign is trustworthy.

Fixed rates won't encourage good quality posts, making counting stricter would be good, but would take a lot of your time and would require the payment per qualifying post to be increased. Counting more liberally will only increase the spam levels.

For what it's worth, I hadn't heard of Dadice until the sig campaign started, I haven't used them yet, but might in the future.

[ndnh]

A bonus that will be paid out randomly to any of the constructive posters each time might be an idea.  

Regarding what is constructive. I think the most important thing for posts for an campaign is that the signature takes views. Not only pageviews but people actually looking at the signature. Pointing out to look at the signature would bring something in a post though it would be spam. So the only other solution would be to post something that keeps the eye for some while. Raising the chance to read the signature. Helpful posts might mean this. Too long posts most probably not.

It would be way better when the posts are done in an related area. So like gambling subforum or threads. Because there is the target audience.

And if you put a link in signature. Simply blue, underlined, the way you would await a link too look. Then even make it uppercase. Then you would even get more clicks than with graphics because one overlooks graphics fast but simple textlinks for some reason gain more clicks.

At least thats what i learned from experience with my internet marketing time.

If you really want to go pro then you need to use dynamic links. So you can see where the new visitors to the site came from. Which thread, which writer. Then you can go on optimizing.

If i would run such a campaing then i would make sure to optimize it. Otherwise you most probably throw money out of the window.

We are not making bonuses random because, it will not encourage certain participants to go beyond 100 posts level.

Yes, our main objective is getting people to see the signature of course. But, our secondary objective is making the community better, discouraging spam, and encouraging informative, constructive meaningful posts that you post for the community.

Yeah, we are planning to reward posters who post more in Gambling and related section, but the idea is not encouraged by a few users, so currently it has hit a standstill.

Yes, it might attract clicks. But when it comes to building a brand and trust, I think it is better to use a professional looking signature than a plain code. (I will test it with my signature space anyway. Thanks for posting this )

Dynamic links is on my to-do list. But, since we allow referral links in the signature, it is difficult, since all users will remove the original link and place his/her referral link instead. And I am not sure, how to make different links to different users, while pasting the same code.
I wanted to ask whether I could put my ref link in the signature, lol.

I will consider all your points.
Thanks again

[ndnh]

As you can see, I am not a member of the Dadice campaign, but I find the conversation interesting anyway.
I think really, you need to tell us what Dadice want to get out of the campaign, rather than us telling you.  Obviously as signature users, we want to be able to post as often as possible and get the highest returns possible.  I assume Dadice wants to get their name associated with trustworthy forum members and high quality posts made on boards that will encourage users to use Dadice in the future.

To that end, I would say that a minimum post count isn't useful for you.  A maximum is useful, as it is near impossible to post more than 100x a week and not have a lot of filler posts, even if they are not spam.
Weekly/monthly makes no difference really, I personally find weekly better as I don't have to worry about the company running away having had 3+ weeks of advertising, but it isn't a game changer if the campaign is trustworthy.

Fixed rates won't encourage good quality posts, making counting stricter would be good, but would take a lot of your time and would require the payment per qualifying post to be increased. Counting more liberally will only increase the spam levels.

For what it's worth, I hadn't heard of Dadice until the sig campaign started, I haven't used them yet, but might in the future.

Yep, that is the Mission

Minimum post count is waived for quality users. It is actually implemented for those who might be signing up with an alt just for making money in the meantime. Monthly means less work for the post counter, lol. (Unless you use a bot).

Of course, both the site launch, official thread and the campaign thread, was to start simultaneously. So, lol, you couldn't have heard about it before.

[ndnh]

We won't be implementing higher rates for Gambling boards as requested by participants. At least in the near future.
(Just updating this)

[TriggerX]

Do you plan on using marcotheminer's bot for the sig campaign? I know campaign managers are reluctant in using it because the bot doesn't check quality. You should hire a person to do this and update the bot every few days or so. I like it because it gives up to date stats on your post and your rate and how much you will be getting paid. Really looking forward to this in the future!!

[shorena]

Do you plan on using marcotheminer's bot for the sig campaign? I know campaign managers are reluctant in using it because the bot doesn't check quality. You should hire a person to do this and update the bot every few days or so. I like it because it gives up to date stats on your post and your rate and how much you will be getting paid. Really looking forward to this in the future!!

You should check the spreadsheet. I dont know what marco's or rather the bot they ordered exactly delivers. The only difference I see is that it automatically excludes certain sections.

[marcotheminer]

Do you plan on using marcotheminer's bot for the sig campaign? I know campaign managers are reluctant in using it because the bot doesn't check quality. You should hire a person to do this and update the bot every few days or so. I like it because it gives up to date stats on your post and your rate and how much you will be getting paid. Really looking forward to this in the future!!

I like ndnhc did PM me once saying he was interested, I'll talk to him about it.

[maku]

Do you plan on using marcotheminer's bot for the sig campaign? I know campaign managers are reluctant in using it because the bot doesn't check quality. You should hire a person to do this and update the bot every few days or so. I like it because it gives up to date stats on your post and your rate and how much you will be getting paid. Really looking forward to this in the future!!

I like ndnhc did PM me once saying he was interested, I'll talk to him about it.

Bot is not that bad of an option here, but I am afraid it is nothing more that fancy calculator. I only can show you number of posts, and maybe, number of
characters used for each posts. Nothing more. If you are pursuing quality of posts you will still have to check users posts from time to time. To sum everything up, bot is nice as supportive tool.

[marcotheminer]

Do you plan on using marcotheminer's bot for the sig campaign? I know campaign managers are reluctant in using it because the bot doesn't check quality. You should hire a person to do this and update the bot every few days or so. I like it because it gives up to date stats on your post and your rate and how much you will be getting paid. Really looking forward to this in the future!!

I like ndnhc did PM me once saying he was interested, I'll talk to him about it.

Bot is not that bad of an option here, but I am afraid it is nothing more that fancy calculator. I only can show you number of posts, and maybe, number of
characters used for each posts. Nothing more. If you are pursuing quality of posts you will still have to check users posts from time to time. To sum everything up, bot is nice as supportive tool.

It allows you to spend much more time looking through users' posts rather than counting them.

Also the admin panel gives you a lot of insight on all your participants' performances and where posts are being made and where you could incentivise them to go. 

[arallmuus]

Do you plan on using marcotheminer's bot for the sig campaign? I know campaign managers are reluctant in using it because the bot doesn't check quality. You should hire a person to do this and update the bot every few days or so. I like it because it gives up to date stats on your post and your rate and how much you will be getting paid. Really looking forward to this in the future!!

I like ndnhc did PM me once saying he was interested, I'll talk to him about it.

Bot is not that bad of an option here, but I am afraid it is nothing more that fancy calculator. I only can show you number of posts, and maybe, number of
characters used for each posts. Nothing more. If you are pursuing quality of posts you will still have to check users posts from time to time. To sum everything up, bot is nice as supportive tool.

It allows you to spend much more time looking through users' posts rather than counting them.

Also the admin panel gives you a lot of insight on all your participants' performances and where posts are being made and where you could incentivise them to go. 

The bot is actually a great tool to help campaign managers to monitor it, but I think dadice campaign doesnt really need it for now since there is 2 managers that actually counts and check our post and we got like 43 enrollments

Id rather add a " Report Me " link on our signature so that the community can report us to ndnhc if we are considered to be spamming the forum

[ndnh]

Just informing that we do not have any plans as of now in switching to a bot.

Thanks

P.S. Report link is currently added to the managers signature. I wondered if it was okay to carry a 'Report me' link in one's own signature.. Will consider that suggestion. But it might need redesigning the current signature to make it look better.

[marcotheminer]

Just informing that we do not have any plans as of now in switching to a bot.

Thanks

P.S. Report link is currently added to the managers signature. I wondered if it was okay to carry a 'Report me' link in one's own signature.. Will consider that suggestion. But it might need redesigning the current signature to make it look better.

More work for yourself, your choice though.

[tspacepilot]

Just informing that we do not have any plans as of now in switching to a bot.

Thanks

P.S. Report link is currently added to the managers signature. I wondered if it was okay to carry a 'Report me' link in one's own signature.. Will consider that suggestion. But it might need redesigning the current signature to make it look better.

More work for yourself, your choice though.

Marco, sometimes the hard sell really turns people off.  I'm just sayin'.

[arallmuus]

Just informing that we do not have any plans as of now in switching to a bot.

Thanks

P.S. Report link is currently added to the managers signature. I wondered if it was okay to carry a 'Report me' link in one's own signature.. Will consider that suggestion. But it might need redesigning the current signature to make it look better.

More work for yourself, your choice though.

Not really much work to do, whats the exact point of having bot and you claimed to manual check them in the end? waste of resources? or Id say you dont really check them, that would be more reasonable

I will check everyone's posts along with the bot.

As I have stated in the OP, if I see spam I will exclude all spam posts.

So double work for you? and I dont really heard a complaint at the bit-x sig campaign that someone actually got paid less than what the bot calculated, that means you dont actually check them again.

[ndnh]

Just informing that we do not have any plans as of now in switching to a bot.

Thanks

P.S. Report link is currently added to the managers signature. I wondered if it was okay to carry a 'Report me' link in one's own signature.. Will consider that suggestion. But it might need redesigning the current signature to make it look better.

What is the function of 'Report me' in your signature ?
If about spam post, we better report it use 'Report to moderator' feature

Report me directs to a PM to the me or bf4btc.
Right. Report to mod is used for spam posts. You can also report to us in addition, if there is something we can do about it, 

[networthsigns]

Hey ndnhc and co, i added my vote and that is to "Add fixed rate monthly option with the current one" I am not sure how difficult that would be to integrate and keep track of but i think that could be a good addition to the campaign and it is different to all other campaigns which imho is a really good thing.

[arallmuus]

Just informing that we do not have any plans as of now in switching to a bot.

Thanks

P.S. Report link is currently added to the managers signature. I wondered if it was okay to carry a 'Report me' link in one's own signature.. Will consider that suggestion. But it might need redesigning the current signature to make it look better.

What is the function of 'Report me' in your signature ?
If about spam post, we better report it use 'Report to moderator' feature

Report me directs to a PM to the me or bf4btc.
Right. Report to mod is used for spam posts. You can also report to us in addition, if there is something we can do about it, 

If you report to mod, mod only remove or edit the post if they find it againts a forum rules . i.e refferal link, best thing is to report right to badbear, and badbear is away for now and he got a lot of report everyday on his plate, so the best thing is to report it directly to the managers, if they find it to be abusive or spam, they can warn or immediate terminate the participants, harsh indeed, but this is one of another way to fight spam

[networthsigns]

Just informing that we do not have any plans as of now in switching to a bot.

Thanks

P.S. Report link is currently added to the managers signature. I wondered if it was okay to carry a 'Report me' link in one's own signature.. Will consider that suggestion. But it might need redesigning the current signature to make it look better.

What is the function of 'Report me' in your signature ?
If about spam post, we better report it use 'Report to moderator' feature

Report me directs to a PM to the me or bf4btc.
Right. Report to mod is used for spam posts. You can also report to us in addition, if there is something we can do about it, 

If you report to mod, mod only remove or edit the post if they find it againts a forum rules . i.e refferal link, best thing is to report right to badbear, and badbear is away for now and he got a lot of report everyday on his plate, so the best thing is to report it directly to the managers, if they find it to be abusive or spam, they can warn or immediate terminate the participants, harsh indeed, but this is one of another way to fight spam

That is exactly my thinking behind this, yes the mods job is to execute the forum rules but they have enough to deal with, the guys who are not in signature campaigns but spam refs and abuse.  Badbear has stated he gets 1000' of pms and even though he does get to them we have the chance to make it easier for him and help the forum we are kind of duty bound, the managers need to be strict on spammers and if needed after warnings just kick them to make space in the campaign for someone that is posting because they want to and to a high standard, to both represent Dadice well and also give campaigns (well at least this one) a good name/look. If the crazy spamming didn't stop then it is all of the decent posters that end up paying the price for the few who don't care about quality. Kicking them is not harsh it is necessary and if all campaigns enforced that rule there would be so little spam and the posts of campaigns will be to a high standard it would be awesome. Point being the change happens at home with us

[marcotheminer]

Just informing that we do not have any plans as of now in switching to a bot.

Thanks

P.S. Report link is currently added to the managers signature. I wondered if it was okay to carry a 'Report me' link in one's own signature.. Will consider that suggestion. But it might need redesigning the current signature to make it look better.

More work for yourself, your choice though.

Not really much work to do, whats the exact point of having bot and you claimed to manual check them in the end? waste of resources? or Id say you dont really check them, that would be more reasonable

I will check everyone's posts along with the bot.

As I have stated in the OP, if I see spam I will exclude all spam posts.

So double work for you? and I dont really heard a complaint at the bit-x sig campaign that someone actually got paid less than what the bot calculated, that means you dont actually check them again.

Nope. The bot counts all user's posts automatically (and excludes excluded board posts). This then allows me to have to time to go through as many posts as possible to further eliminate spam.

There have been several complaints about a user being paid less than what the bot calculated; I had lowered their post count due to their spam.

[shulio]

If I remembered correctly, there is a special prize each month, but I dont see it again in the OP, does the special prize changed to 0.1 for 3 participants for each week? well I am just curious about this and dont stand a chance to win because we know who will win this (quickseller) 

[ndnh]

If I remembered correctly, there is a special prize each month, but I dont see it again in the OP, does the special prize changed to 0.1 for 3 participants for each week? well I am just curious about this and dont stand a chance to win because we know who will win this (quickseller)  

Yeah, I will just ask dadice about it. The weekly bonus was raised to by 0.6BTC a month, so I am not really sure about that.

Will update you soon.

[tspacepilot]

If I remembered correctly, there is a special prize each month, but I dont see it again in the OP, does the special prize changed to 0.1 for 3 participants for each week? well I am just curious about this and dont stand a chance to win because we know who will win this (quickseller) 

Yeah, I will just ask dadice about it. The weekly bonus was raised to 0.6BTC a month, so I am not really sure about that.

Will update you soon.

0.6BTC a month as a weekly would leave 0.2BTC per week but you guys gave out 0.3BTC in bonuses last week so I am indeed confused by this statement

[ndnh]

0.6BTC a month as a weekly would leave 0.2BTC per week but you guys gave out 0.3BTC in bonuses last week so I am indeed confused by this statement

Sorry, corrected it. Was typing too fast, and put in 'to' instead of 'by'.

Correted statement: Bonus was raised by 0.6 a month to 1.2BTC a month. (0.15*4 to 0.1*3*4)
So, most likely there won't be an extra monthly bonus. Also, it is very probably that those who already got it more than once will simply get it again.
Edit: Confirmed. There won't be an extra monthly bonus.

[arallmuus]

0.6BTC a month as a weekly would leave 0.2BTC per week but you guys gave out 0.3BTC in bonuses last week so I am indeed confused by this statement

Sorry, corrected it. Was typing too fast, and put in 'to' instead of 'by'.

Correted statement: Bonus was raised by 0.6 a month to 1.2BTC a month. (0.15*4 to 0.1*3*4)
So, most likely there won't be an extra monthly bonus. Also, it is very probably that those who already got it more than once will simply get it again.
Edit: Confirmed. There won't be an extra monthly bonus.

although there will be no extra monthly bonus but the 0.1 x 3 bonus / week is indeed a refreshment for this campaign as none other have it and also the highest paying rate currently on the market

Anyway ndnhc, any news from dadice regarding my suggestion of carrying a "Report Me" link in our signature ?

[ndnh]

The Avatar poll thread has been locked.

Thanks
ndnhc

[dadice]

0.6BTC a month as a weekly would leave 0.2BTC per week but you guys gave out 0.3BTC in bonuses last week so I am indeed confused by this statement

Sorry, corrected it. Was typing too fast, and put in 'to' instead of 'by'.

Correted statement: Bonus was raised by 0.6 a month to 1.2BTC a month. (0.15*4 to 0.1*3*4)
So, most likely there won't be an extra monthly bonus. Also, it is very probably that those who already got it more than once will simply get it again.
Edit: Confirmed. There won't be an extra monthly bonus.

although there will be no extra monthly bonus but the 0.1 x 3 bonus / week is indeed a refreshment for this campaign as none other have it and also the highest paying rate currently on the market

Anyway ndnhc, any news from dadice regarding my suggestion of carrying a "Report Me" link in our signature ?

We are planning to design a new set of signatures in May and will add a 'Report Me' link then.

[WhatTheGox]

I'd like to see bonuses spread out over more than top 3, maybe do 0.05 to top 6.   It seems quickseller has 1 bonus nailed each week (not saying he didnt deserve it last weeks) as nobody can compete with him so that leave 2 bonuses up for grabs.

Im assuming the intention of the bonus is to increase overall posting quality of the group? with only 2 or maybe 3 bonus spots out of 42 people not many will aim to increase their overall posting standards.  

[twister]

I think it's fair. I was just seeing some of the posts made by bonus winners (panju07 & fox19891989) and they're all so constructive.

I don't think I can compete with that. I got C+ and I think that's too generous of them.  

[WhatTheGox]

I think it's fair. I was just seeing some of the posts made by bonus winners (panju07 & fox19891989) and they're all so constructive.

I don't think I can compete with that. I got C+ and I think that's too generous of them.  

Do grades = bonus or # of posts or both?

Its fair the best posters won the top 3 in the week just gone no doubt.  

As someone who got over 100 posts and scored a B i fall just outside the bonus i guess? rightly so this week, i did have some inconsistency for sure.

As feedback to the site, im saying considering the standard needed to get in top 3 i wouldnt necessarily go out of my way to improve my posting standard for next week because i likely cannot compete for top 3 out of 43 people.  

I would think most posters wouldnt aim for the bonus with 43 people signed up, like maybe 8 people are aiming for it out of 43 so overall you have 80% of the group not aiming for higher quality.  Granted, posters can always get kicked out for bad quality which is something to consider.

If the site owners want top 3 because they want a few amazing posters and their quality might drop if the bonus was moved to top 6, 0.05 etc, then thats something to consider sure.

Its just a smallish point, overall i am happy, thanks.

[twister]

Do grades = bonus or # of posts or both?

I have no idea, I am guessing the number of posts is the real factor here and also most of the posts the gentlemen I mentioned above made were in Gambling section, so that might be it.

If the site owners want top 3 because they want a few amazing posters and their quality might drop if the bonus was moved to top 6, 0.05 etc, then thats something to consider sure.

But 0.05 is not really a Winning prize is it?
It's more like a pity bonus.

Its just a smallish point, overall i am happy, thanks.

Actually, I am not too happy about my grade. I think I deserve a B+

[arallmuus]

I think it's fair. I was just seeing some of the posts made by bonus winners (panju07 & fox19891989) and they're all so constructive.

I don't think I can compete with that. I got C+ and I think that's too generous of them. 

Do grades = bonus or # of posts or both?

Its fair the best posters won the top 3 in the week just gone no doubt. 

As someone who got over 100 posts and scored a B i fall just outside the bonus i guess? rightly so this week, i did have some inconsistency for sure.

As feedback to the site, im saying considering the standard needed to get in top 3 i wouldnt necessarily go out of my way to improve my posting standard for next week because i likely cannot compete for top 3 out of 43 people. 

I would think most posters wouldnt aim for the bonus with 43 people signed up, like maybe 8 people are aiming for it out of 43 so overall you have 80% of the group not aiming for higher quality.  Granted, posters can always get kicked out for bad quality which is something to consider.

If the site owners want top 3 because they want a few amazing posters and their quality might drop if the bonus was moved to top 6, 0.05 etc, then thats something to consider sure.

Its just a smallish point, overall i am happy, thanks.

Ill leave it up here so that people can know how to get the bonus

How to choose 3 top constructive posters? Depend on the amount or quality or both?

My post amount is ranked 4th, but I think my post quality can be top 3.

I hope I can get the 0.1 btc bonus. 

Both, quality, constructiveness and consistency.
If still there is a conflict, those who posted more in the relevant boards will be preferred.

Competition is tough.. Post quality is seeing an impressive rise.

It is more to the rating and not the post count, if you remembered sebastianju got half a bonus last week with only 52 posts

For me personally I never thought of it as a bonus, more like a thankyou reward from the campaign for posting quality post in the forum, competition is rising here, more and more participants has got an A rating

The decision to actually split it to 0.1 BTC x 3 was indeed right, 3 weeks ago it was 0.15 BTC for 1 participants, which ofcourse will be hard to get since quickseller is the top candidate for it, although I personally dont mind to split it so that alot more people can get this thankyou bonus from the campaign, with the exception for the posting count to be more stricter

[twister]

Well I can't spam the shit out of a single board to have a chance at getting a Bonus. I post when and if I feel there is a need on a thread and that my comment or opinion would add something to the discussion or help someone or if there is something that I don't understand then I ask a question to clear my doubts.

Otherwise I refrain from posting anything. And I don't choose boards, if I see a thread anywhere in the forum, which I have something to add to, I do. If that doesn't gets me a bonus or lowers my grade then be it.

[arallmuus]

Well I can't spam the shit out of a single board to have a chance at getting a Bonus. I post when and if I feel there is a need on a thread and that my comment or opinion would add something to the discussion or help someone or if there is something that I don't understand then I ask a question to clear my doubts.

Otherwise I refrain from posting anything. And I don't choose boards, if I see a thread anywhere in the forum, which I have something to add to, I do. If that doesn't gets me a bonus or lowers my grade then be it.

This is how it is suppose so, there is actually no specific rules to post in a specific boards and no restriction to post in specific boards either, it is just that some post in specific boards may not be counted for payment
And spamming or posting 100+ posts a week doesnt means that you will be eligible for the bonus, more importantly is the rating of your posts

[WhatTheGox]

Do grades = bonus or # of posts or both?

I have no idea, I am guessing the number of posts is the real factor here and also most of the posts the gentlemen I mentioned above made were in Gambling section, so that might be it.

If the site owners want top 3 because they want a few amazing posters and their quality might drop if the bonus was moved to top 6, 0.05 etc, then thats something to consider sure.

But 0.05 is not really a Winning prize is it?
It's more like a pity bonus.

Its just a smallish point, overall i am happy, thanks.

Actually, I am not too happy about my grade. I think I deserve a B+

I dunno i think 0.05 for a 1 week bonus is decent, you get 0.04 per week for some campaigns total.  If it were top 6 paid there seems like a more realisitc chance of getting the bonus each week provided you are very active and post good quality

It is more to the rating and not the post count, if you remembered sebastianju got half a bonus last week with only 52 posts

For me personally I never thought of it as a bonus, more like a thankyou reward from the campaign for posting quality post in the forum, competition is rising here, more and more participants has got an A rating

The decision to actually split it to 0.1 BTC x 3 was indeed right, 3 weeks ago it was 0.15 BTC for 1 participants, which ofcourse will be hard to get since quickseller is the top candidate for it, although I personally dont mind to split it so that alot more people can get this thankyou bonus from the campaign, with the exception for the posting count to be more stricter

Ok thanks for clearing that up and the bonus and campaign is appreciated, i guess if anyone else wants top 6 they should say

[ndnh]

Do grades = bonus or # of posts or both?

I have no idea, I am guessing the number of posts is the real factor here and also most of the posts the gentlemen I mentioned above made were in Gambling section, so that might be it.

If the site owners want top 3 because they want a few amazing posters and their quality might drop if the bonus was moved to top 6, 0.05 etc, then thats something to consider sure.

But 0.05 is not really a Winning prize is it?
It's more like a pity bonus.

Its just a smallish point, overall i am happy, thanks.

Actually, I am not too happy about my grade. I think I deserve a B+

I dunno i think 0.05 for a 1 week bonus is decent, you get 0.04 per week for some campaigns total.  If it were top 6 paid there seems like a more realisitc chance of getting the bonus each week provided you are very active and post good quality

It is more to the rating and not the post count, if you remembered sebastianju got half a bonus last week with only 52 posts

For me personally I never thought of it as a bonus, more like a thankyou reward from the campaign for posting quality post in the forum, competition is rising here, more and more participants has got an A rating

The decision to actually split it to 0.1 BTC x 3 was indeed right, 3 weeks ago it was 0.15 BTC for 1 participants, which ofcourse will be hard to get since quickseller is the top candidate for it, although I personally dont mind to split it so that alot more people can get this thankyou bonus from the campaign, with the exception for the posting count to be more stricter

Ok thanks for clearing that up and the bonus and campaign is appreciated, i guess if anyone else wants top 6 they should say

If we go on splitting it again, say to 6*0.05, it may not serve as a good enough incentive to high quality posters. For instance, if the #1 decreased his quality he might still end up #6 and get the same bonus.
A better way would be to rank them and award the bonus. That is very difficult thing to do, since most of the top posters almost have no difference in their post quality.

On the other hand, none of the other campaigns, atm, give a bonus totalling around 1.2BTC a month.
Also note that in at least a few weeks, there were 4 winners, 0.1*2 and 0.05*2. If there is extreme difficulty, we usually split the prizes to be more fair to all participants.

Thanks

Just my opinion. If everyone wants 6x0.05, we can surely make it that. But, that will be discouraging some of the top quality posters here.

[ndnh]

Do grades = bonus or # of posts or both?

We consider post quality first. That will elimiate a few, and get some 10-15 good quality posters. Then we consider, the rating, stricter evaluation, etc. and finally consistency, post count and even boards posted (less relevant though, if we still can't come to a final 3 or 4) to finally decide on it. We consider all criterion possible to get the final three (or 4 as the case may be).

If you check some of the posts, you will find that the evaluation and elimination for bonus is a pretty difficult thing to do, with so many good high quality posters in our campaign. The choice is diffcult, so we consider all possible things.

Thanks
ndnhc

[WhatTheGox]

If we go on splitting it again, say to 6*0.05, it may not serve as a good enough incentive to high quality posters. For instance, if the #1 decreased his quality he might still end up #6 and get the same bonus.
A better way would be to rank them and award the bonus. That is very difficult thing to do, since most of the top posters almost have no difference in their post quality.

Actually thats a great idea if you can do that as it would increase quality across the group but not bring down the quality of the very top posters too much.  If people cant be separated by quality they could be reward equally more so.  What about something like top 7:

1st = 0.08
2nd-3rd = 0.05
4th-7th = 0.03


edit: i see your problem though if you have 2-3 excellent posters, how do you decide. maybe go

1st - 3rd = 0.06
4th - 7th = 0.03

[ndnh]

If we go on splitting it again, say to 6*0.05, it may not serve as a good enough incentive to high quality posters. For instance, if the #1 decreased his quality he might still end up #6 and get the same bonus.
A better way would be to rank them and award the bonus. That is very difficult thing to do, since most of the top posters almost have no difference in their post quality.

Actually thats a great idea if you can do that as it would increase quality across the group but not bring down the quality of the very top posters too much.  If people cant be separated by quality they could be reward equally more so.  What about something like top 7:

1st = 0.08
2nd-3rd = 0.05
4th-7th = 0.03


edit: i see your problem though if you have 2-3 excellent posters, how do you decide. maybe go

1st - 3rd = 0.06
4th - 7th = 0.03

Another thing to address is, if you are the top poster, you wouldn't like this, would you?

This might soon get to 0.3 divided among whole posters based on their quality etc.
It might be good for those who don't get the bonus, and may be you will say it will be good.
But it has the following issues:
1. 0.3 divided among 40+ will make it insignificant amount for most of the participants.
2. It will fail to persuade those who are at the top.
3. Top 3 rewards are kept high so that it works as a reasonable incentive to the quality posters. It helps making healthy competition. The above way won't.

For instance, Quickseller made 199 posts, last week. 0.1 is the bonus he deserve. I don't think it is a good idea to lower it to 0.06.
1st to 3rd = 0.1 each is a good bonus IMO.

Any votes (for/against)?

[WhatTheGox]

If we go on splitting it again, say to 6*0.05, it may not serve as a good enough incentive to high quality posters. For instance, if the #1 decreased his quality he might still end up #6 and get the same bonus.
A better way would be to rank them and award the bonus. That is very difficult thing to do, since most of the top posters almost have no difference in their post quality.

Actually thats a great idea if you can do that as it would increase quality across the group but not bring down the quality of the very top posters too much.  If people cant be separated by quality they could be reward equally more so.  What about something like top 7:

1st = 0.08
2nd-3rd = 0.05
4th-7th = 0.03


edit: i see your problem though if you have 2-3 excellent posters, how do you decide. maybe go

1st - 3rd = 0.06
4th - 7th = 0.03

Another thing to address is, if you are the top poster, you wouldn't like this, would you?

This might soon get to 0.3 divided among whole posters based on their quality etc.
It might be good for those who don't get the bonus, and may be you will say it will be good.
But it has the following issues:
1. 0.3 divided among 40+ will make it insignificant amount for most of the participants.
2. It will fail to persuade those who are at the top.
3. Top 3 rewards are kept high so that it works as a reasonable incentive to the quality posters. It helps making healthy competition. The above way won't.

For instance, Quickseller made 199 posts, last week. 0.1 is the bonus he deserve. I don't think it is a good idea to lower it to 0.06.
1st to 3rd = 0.1 each is a good bonus IMO.

Any votes (for/against)?

Is quickseller the only one who has makes the bonus consistantly each week? if im quickseller i'd be snap voting against what i suggest haha

If you have different people who make 2nd and 3rd spot each week i think top 7 will work better for consistant overall group quality.

Either way im happy, thanks for your hard work!

[boopy265420]

If we go on splitting it again, say to 6*0.05, it may not serve as a good enough incentive to high quality posters. For instance, if the #1 decreased his quality he might still end up #6 and get the same bonus.
A better way would be to rank them and award the bonus. That is very difficult thing to do, since most of the top posters almost have no difference in their post quality.

Actually thats a great idea if you can do that as it would increase quality across the group but not bring down the quality of the very top posters too much.  If people cant be separated by quality they could be reward equally more so.  What about something like top 7:

1st = 0.08
2nd-3rd = 0.05
4th-7th = 0.03


edit: i see your problem though if you have 2-3 excellent posters, how do you decide. maybe go

1st - 3rd = 0.06
4th - 7th = 0.03

I think this division of price ^ is more reasonable and practical. This type of prize distribution will encourage others too to put their best abilities to make this campaign even more successful.

[ndnh]

Is quickseller the only one who has makes the bonus consistantly each week? if im quickseller i'd be snap voting against what i suggest haha

If you have different people who make 2nd and 3rd spot each week i think top 7 will work better for consistant overall group quality.

Either way im happy, thanks for your hard work!

Nope. here is the list:

Quickseller
arallmuus
SebastianJu
fox19891989
tspacepilot
Asuryan180
panju07


Thanks
There are a lot of others who just almost made it.

I will certainly consider it if I get more votes.

Cheers
ndnhc

[twister]

Do grades = bonus or # of posts or both?

We consider post quality first. That will elimiate a few, and get some 10-15 good quality posters. Then we consider, the rating, stricter evaluation, etc. and finally consistency, post count and even boards posted (less relevant though, if we still can't come to a final 3 or 4) to finally decide on it. We consider all criterion possible to get the final three (or 4 as the case may be).

If you check some of the posts, you will find that the evaluation and elimination for bonus is a pretty difficult thing to do, with so many good high quality posters in our campaign. The choice is diffcult, so we consider all possible things.

Thanks
ndnhc

Well Quickseller's posts were exceptionally great, I don't think anyone can achieve his quality of posts.

But as far as other winners are concerned, no offense but some of the winner's (not taking names) post quality wasn't that great but I think they were awarded because they made huge numbers of posts and their maximum number of posts were in the relevant* section.

It's up to you guys to decide who gets the bonus but as a part of this campaign I expect more fairness to the other members of the campaign, who might have not made too many posts and there posts might have not been in a certain section of the forum but they were by far of better quality than those who were awarded.

I know it's a harsh thing to say but I am just saying it as I see it. And I think many others will agree with me but they might not come out and say it.

[ndnh]

Do grades = bonus or # of posts or both?

We consider post quality first. That will elimiate a few, and get some 10-15 good quality posters. Then we consider, the rating, stricter evaluation, etc. and finally consistency, post count and even boards posted (less relevant though, if we still can't come to a final 3 or 4) to finally decide on it. We consider all criterion possible to get the final three (or 4 as the case may be).

If you check some of the posts, you will find that the evaluation and elimination for bonus is a pretty difficult thing to do, with so many good high quality posters in our campaign. The choice is diffcult, so we consider all possible things.

Thanks
ndnhc

Well Quickseller's posts were exceptionally great, I don't think anyone can achieve his quality of posts.

But as far as other winners are concerned, no offense but some of the winner's (not taking names) post quality wasn't that great but I think they were awarded because they made huge numbers of posts and their maximum number of posts were in the relevant* section.

It's up to you guys to decide who gets the bonus but as a part of this campaign I expect more fairness to the other members of the campaign, who might have not made too many posts and there posts might have not been in a certain section of the forum but they were by far of better quality than those who were awarded.

I know it's a harsh thing to say but I am just saying it as I see it. And I think many others will agree with me but they might not come out and say it.

Well, I don't really think that part is true. You are probably looking at the current post of a winner of a bonus of some other week.
We will check the boards only in certain cases. You can clearly see that Quickseller does not post (at least not many) in Gambling section.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=18640
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=138744;sa=showPosts
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=210100;sa=showPosts
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=153149;sa=showPosts

(P.S. Read the thread too if you like)

Yes, may be certain members got bonus because when everything is summed up, we found many users who qualified the bonus. In the absense of any other criterion, we selected it.
We don't think excellent English and grammar should only be considered as quality posts, though that is very recommended.

If you find any bonus awardees as not fit for it, please review the posts made in the week it was awarded for and shoot me a PM. I will check into it asap.

Thanks

[arallmuus]

Do grades = bonus or # of posts or both?

We consider post quality first. That will elimiate a few, and get some 10-15 good quality posters. Then we consider, the rating, stricter evaluation, etc. and finally consistency, post count and even boards posted (less relevant though, if we still can't come to a final 3 or 4) to finally decide on it. We consider all criterion possible to get the final three (or 4 as the case may be).

If you check some of the posts, you will find that the evaluation and elimination for bonus is a pretty difficult thing to do, with so many good high quality posters in our campaign. The choice is diffcult, so we consider all possible things.

Thanks
ndnhc

Well Quickseller's posts were exceptionally great, I don't think anyone can achieve his quality of posts.

But as far as other winners are concerned, no offense but some of the winner's (not taking names) post quality wasn't that great but I think they were awarded because they made huge numbers of posts and their maximum number of posts were in the relevant* section.

It's up to you guys to decide who gets the bonus but as a part of this campaign I expect more fairness to the other members of the campaign, who might have not made too many posts and there posts might have not been in a certain section of the forum but they were by far of better quality than those who were awarded.

I know it's a harsh thing to say but I am just saying it as I see it. And I think many others will agree with me but they might not come out and say it.

Since this thread is about discussion, if you got something in your mind and/or unsatisfied with the counting result or the bonus result, you should provide data why do you think it is innapropriate

As for the bonus receiver, excluding myself,they are all a great quality poster but due note that the decision to reward the bonus is from bf4btc and ndnhc, they got their own opinion and you should hit ndnhc/ bf4btc with an example of post why someone from last week isnt eligilbe for the quality poster bonus

[dadice]

If we go on splitting it again, say to 6*0.05, it may not serve as a good enough incentive to high quality posters. For instance, if the #1 decreased his quality he might still end up #6 and get the same bonus.
A better way would be to rank them and award the bonus. That is very difficult thing to do, since most of the top posters almost have no difference in their post quality.

Actually thats a great idea if you can do that as it would increase quality across the group but not bring down the quality of the very top posters too much.  If people cant be separated by quality they could be reward equally more so.  What about something like top 7:

1st = 0.08
2nd-3rd = 0.05
4th-7th = 0.03


edit: i see your problem though if you have 2-3 excellent posters, how do you decide. maybe go

1st - 3rd = 0.06
4th - 7th = 0.03

Another thing to address is, if you are the top poster, you wouldn't like this, would you?

This might soon get to 0.3 divided among whole posters based on their quality etc.
It might be good for those who don't get the bonus, and may be you will say it will be good.
But it has the following issues:
1. 0.3 divided among 40+ will make it insignificant amount for most of the participants.
2. It will fail to persuade those who are at the top.
3. Top 3 rewards are kept high so that it works as a reasonable incentive to the quality posters. It helps making healthy competition. The above way won't.

For instance, Quickseller made 199 posts, last week. 0.1 is the bonus he deserve. I don't think it is a good idea to lower it to 0.06.
1st to 3rd = 0.1 each is a good bonus IMO.

Any votes (for/against)?

Is quickseller the only one who has makes the bonus consistantly each week? if im quickseller i'd be snap voting against what i suggest haha

If you have different people who make 2nd and 3rd spot each week i think top 7 will work better for consistant overall group quality.

Either way im happy, thanks for your hard work!

I think we should reward the top posters in stages. Still leave it like it is for the top poster, but considering adding 2 more spots. We can add another 0.1 btc to the weekly top posters campaign and distribute the prize according to a still to be determined schedule. I will discuss this in the coming days with ndnhc, since I feel it is more fair than paying the top 3 all the same amount.

[twister]

Well, I don't really think that part is true. You are probably looking at the current post of a winner of a bonus of some other week.
We will check the boards only in certain cases. You can clearly see that Quickseller does not post (at least not many) in Gambling section.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=18640
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=138744;sa=showPosts
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=210100;sa=showPosts
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=153149;sa=showPosts

(P.S. Read the thread too if you like)

Yes, may be certain members got bonus because when everything is summed up, we found many users who qualified the bonus. In the absense of any other criterion, we selected it.
We don't think excellent English and grammar should only be considered as quality posts, though that is very recommended.

If you find any bonus awardees as not fit for it, please review the posts made in the week it was awarded for and shoot me a PM. I will check into it asap.

Thanks

Since this thread is about discussion, if you got something in your mind and/or unsatisfied with the counting result or the bonus result, you should provide data why do you think it is innapropriate

As for the bonus receiver, excluding myself,they are all a great quality poster but due note that the decision to reward the bonus is from bf4btc and ndnhc, they got their own opinion and you should hit ndnhc/ bf4btc with an example of post why someone from last week isnt eligilbe for the quality poster bonus

As I already mentioned, I wasn't talking about Quickseller. His posts are absolutely unique and I think it is because he has a vast knowledge on a lot of subjects.

I was simply presenting my opinion that I feel there were other posters who were equally good if not more entitled. It's only my personal opinion, maybe I am right or wrong but if there are same winners in a contest every week repeatdly, it gives impression in others mind that maybe they are the pre-determined and it's not worth making an effort because in the end result will be the same.

For ex. If a company has 40-50 employees and out of that there are only 4-5 people who are graded better than others every week and are chosen as the employee of the week repeatdly, than others will start to think that maybe it's fixed. Even if that were not the case.

I don't think it's wise or necessary to point fingers at anybody but I just had some doubts about a matter and I expressed my opinion on it. My intention was not to offend anybody. If I did, I apologize. But as a member of this campaign I think I have the right to say what I feel about a subject.

[arallmuus]

Since this thread is about discussion, if you got something in your mind and/or unsatisfied with the counting result or the bonus result, you should provide data why do you think it is innapropriate

As for the bonus receiver, excluding myself,they are all a great quality poster but due note that the decision to reward the bonus is from bf4btc and ndnhc, they got their own opinion and you should hit ndnhc/ bf4btc with an example of post why someone from last week isnt eligilbe for the quality poster bonus

As I already mentioned, I wasn't talking about Quickseller. His posts are absolutely unique and I think it is because he has a vast knowledge on a lot of subjects.

I was simply presenting my opinion that I feel there were other posters who were equally good if not more entitled. It's only my personal opinion, maybe I am right or wrong but if there are same winners in a contest every week repeatdly, it gives impression in others mind that maybe they are the pre-determined and it's not worth making an effort because in the end result will be the same.

For ex. If a company has 40-50 employees and out of that there are only 4-5 people who are graded better than others every week and are chosen as the employee of the week repeatdly, than others will start to think that maybe it's fixed. Even if that were not the case.

I don't think it's wise or necessary to point fingers at anybody but I just had some doubts about a matter and I expressed my opinion on it. My intention was not to offend anybody. If I did, I apologize. But as a member of this campaign I think I have the right to say what I feel about a subject.

I do encourage you to speak up your opinion to ndnhc or bf4btc regarding those who are better and more eligible in getting the bonus instead of those who won last week, you dont need to point any fingers in here as it will be not ethical, but instead you can discuss this privately with ndnhnc or bf4btc

And it is not predetermined, everyone got the chance to get the bonus, if everyone did their best to get it, they will get it but not everyone will get it eventually.

As for the bonus, dadice seems to agreed to add another 0.1 BTC to the prize pool and reward those as of the stage prizes structure

I wish to propose another thing , the loyalty bonus, it will be good to have a loyalty bonus to award those who stay up for atleast 4 weeks periods .

The reason for this is to provide some bonus for those who didnt get the quality poster bonus and to encourage people to stay in the campaign, because if someone made 100+ posts previous week and change to another campaign after that, the previous posts will be useless as the signature from the previous post will change, with this bonus, it is to encourage participants to stay for a month, and dadice will get an advertising from that user's signature for the whole month before the participants decided to jump into another campaign ship

[dadice]

I wish to propose another thing , the loyalty bonus, it will be good to have a loyalty bonus to award those who stay up for atleast 4 weeks periods .

The reason for this is to provide some bonus for those who didnt get the quality poster bonus and to encourage people to stay in the campaign, because if someone made 100+ posts previous week and change to another campaign after that, the previous posts will be useless as the signature from the previous post will change, with this bonus, it is to encourage participants to stay for a month, and dadice will get an advertising from that user's signature for the whole month before the participants decided to jump into another campaign ship

This is indeed a brilliant idea mate. Rest assured I will discuss this with our campaign manager and we will update you all soon of what we can do.

Thank you - I am really proud of our campaign community, as well as of all our players, supporters and friends.

[ndnh]

I wish to propose another thing , the loyalty bonus, it will be good to have a loyalty bonus to award those who stay up for atleast 4 weeks periods .

The reason for this is to provide some bonus for those who didnt get the quality poster bonus and to encourage people to stay in the campaign, because if someone made 100+ posts previous week and change to another campaign after that, the previous posts will be useless as the signature from the previous post will change, with this bonus, it is to encourage participants to stay for a month, and dadice will get an advertising from that user's signature for the whole month before the participants decided to jump into another campaign ship

This is indeed a brilliant idea mate. Rest assured I will discuss this with our campaign manager and we will update you all soon of what we can do.

Thank you - I am really proud of our campaign community, as well as of all our players, supporters and friends.

Yeah, I agree. That would be an excellent idea.

[SebastianJu]

If we go on splitting it again, say to 6*0.05, it may not serve as a good enough incentive to high quality posters. For instance, if the #1 decreased his quality he might still end up #6 and get the same bonus.
A better way would be to rank them and award the bonus. That is very difficult thing to do, since most of the top posters almost have no difference in their post quality.

Actually thats a great idea if you can do that as it would increase quality across the group but not bring down the quality of the very top posters too much.  If people cant be separated by quality they could be reward equally more so.  What about something like top 7:

1st = 0.08
2nd-3rd = 0.05
4th-7th = 0.03


edit: i see your problem though if you have 2-3 excellent posters, how do you decide. maybe go

1st - 3rd = 0.06
4th - 7th = 0.03

Another thing to address is, if you are the top poster, you wouldn't like this, would you?

This might soon get to 0.3 divided among whole posters based on their quality etc.
It might be good for those who don't get the bonus, and may be you will say it will be good.
But it has the following issues:
1. 0.3 divided among 40+ will make it insignificant amount for most of the participants.
2. It will fail to persuade those who are at the top.
3. Top 3 rewards are kept high so that it works as a reasonable incentive to the quality posters. It helps making healthy competition. The above way won't.

For instance, Quickseller made 199 posts, last week. 0.1 is the bonus he deserve. I don't think it is a good idea to lower it to 0.06.
1st to 3rd = 0.1 each is a good bonus IMO.

Any votes (for/against)?

I think if you take the bonus as a reward someone can reach for then 3 bonuses mean that everyone lower might think that he cant reach the bonus anyway, there are 3 or 4 top posters who will take them with high certainty.

So even if you have small bonuses like 1-0.1 2-3-0.05 and the last 0.1 spread in 4 maybe. Then you might reach a broader effect because many more user see the possibility to reach at least one of the bonuses.

Thats at least how i see it as an incentive. Of course i guess the top three poster wouldnt like it. Though they wouldnt go because they still would earn way more than in other campaigns.

[ndnh]

I think if you take the bonus as a reward someone can reach for then 3 bonuses mean that everyone lower might think that he cant reach the bonus anyway, there are 3 or 4 top posters who will take them with high certainty.

So even if you have small bonuses like 1-0.1 2-3-0.05 and the last 0.1 spread in 4 maybe. Then you might reach a broader effect because many more user see the possibility to reach at least one of the bonuses.

Thats at least how i see it as an incentive. Of course i guess the top three poster wouldnt like it. Though they wouldnt go because they still would earn way more than in other campaigns.

That is exactly what it is going to be.

[Hazir]

I wish to propose another thing , the loyalty bonus, it will be good to have a loyalty bonus to award those who stay up for atleast 4 weeks periods .

The reason for this is to provide some bonus for those who didnt get the quality poster bonus and to encourage people to stay in the campaign, because if someone made 100+ posts previous week and change to another campaign after that, the previous posts will be useless as the signature from the previous post will change, with this bonus, it is to encourage participants to stay for a month, and dadice will get an advertising from that user's signature for the whole month before the participants decided to jump into another campaign ship

This is indeed a brilliant idea mate. Rest assured I will discuss this with our campaign manager and we will update you all soon of what we can do.

Thank you - I am really proud of our campaign community, as well as of all our players, supporters and friends.

Yeah, I agree. That would be an excellent idea.

Any news on this idea? I find it really awesome that you could reward long time posters who are loyal to DaDice signature campaign. The only question is after what time does this bonus would be available: would it be 3, 4, 5 weeks of constant membership? And do we need additional conditions beside time spent on posting for Dadice? And of cours how big would be that bonus, similar to top poster's bonus or maybe progressive and it would be increasing with each week?

[arallmuus]

I wish to propose another thing , the loyalty bonus, it will be good to have a loyalty bonus to award those who stay up for atleast 4 weeks periods .

The reason for this is to provide some bonus for those who didnt get the quality poster bonus and to encourage people to stay in the campaign, because if someone made 100+ posts previous week and change to another campaign after that, the previous posts will be useless as the signature from the previous post will change, with this bonus, it is to encourage participants to stay for a month, and dadice will get an advertising from that user's signature for the whole month before the participants decided to jump into another campaign ship

This is indeed a brilliant idea mate. Rest assured I will discuss this with our campaign manager and we will update you all soon of what we can do.

Thank you - I am really proud of our campaign community, as well as of all our players, supporters and friends.

Yeah, I agree. That would be an excellent idea.

Any news on this idea? I find it really awesome that you could reward long time posters who are loyal to DaDice signature campaign. The only question is after what time does this bonus would be available: would it be 3, 4, 5 weeks of constant membership? And do we need additional conditions beside time spent on posting for Dadice? And of cours how big would be that bonus, similar to top poster's bonus or maybe progressive and it would be increasing with each week?

It will be for 4 weeks I suppose and for now ndnhc is having a discussion with dadice regarding the loyalty bonus

There will be no conditions for the idea I am proposing, the only conditions will be staying the campaign for atleast 4 weeks, but ndnhc and dadice could perhaps got a different idea, and the bonus Im proposing will be atleast 25 % of what we earn from 4 weeks campaign

i.e
1st week = 0.1 BTC
2nd week = 0.13 BTC
3rd week = 0.09 BTC
4th week = 0.1 BTC

The bonus will be 25 % = 0.25 x 0.42 = 0.105 BTC


Of course this is solely my idea about the bonus, anyone having a better idea can spit it out here since this is a discussion, I expect the bonus to be atleast 25% but perhaps ndnhc or dadice could get us a better bonus 

[ndnh]

I wish to propose another thing , the loyalty bonus, it will be good to have a loyalty bonus to award those who stay up for atleast 4 weeks periods .

The reason for this is to provide some bonus for those who didnt get the quality poster bonus and to encourage people to stay in the campaign, because if someone made 100+ posts previous week and change to another campaign after that, the previous posts will be useless as the signature from the previous post will change, with this bonus, it is to encourage participants to stay for a month, and dadice will get an advertising from that user's signature for the whole month before the participants decided to jump into another campaign ship

This is indeed a brilliant idea mate. Rest assured I will discuss this with our campaign manager and we will update you all soon of what we can do.

Thank you - I am really proud of our campaign community, as well as of all our players, supporters and friends.

Yeah, I agree. That would be an excellent idea.

Any news on this idea? I find it really awesome that you could reward long time posters who are loyal to DaDice signature campaign. The only question is after what time does this bonus would be available: would it be 3, 4, 5 weeks of constant membership? And do we need additional conditions beside time spent on posting for Dadice? And of cours how big would be that bonus, similar to top poster's bonus or maybe progressive and it would be increasing with each week?

It will be for 4 weeks I suppose and for now ndnhc is having a discussion with dadice regarding the loyalty bonus

There will be no conditions for the idea I am proposing, the only conditions will be staying the campaign for atleast 4 weeks, but ndnhc and dadice could perhaps got a different idea, and the bonus Im proposing will be atleast 25 % of what we earn from 4 weeks campaign

i.e
1st week = 0.1 BTC
2nd week = 0.13 BTC
3rd week = 0.09 BTC
4th week = 0.1 BTC

The bonus will be 25 % = 0.25 x 0.42 = 0.105 BTC


Of course this is solely my idea about the bonus, anyone having a better idea can spit it out here since this is a discussion, I expect the bonus to be atleast 25% but perhaps ndnhc or dadice could get us a better bonus  

My idea is a little different.   (ETA : 15th April. - I will become Hero member Hobbit )
I had thought of around 20% of the total of preceding 4 weeks.

[Hazir]

I saw that you created thread and you are seeking the best ideas for DaDice's Avatar. That mean you will be opening Avatar's campaign soon? It will independent campaign or it will be available only for people who are already are part of DaDice's signature campaign? Can you tell us the rates now etc?

[ndnh]

I saw that you created thread and you are seeking the best ideas for DaDice's Avatar. That mean you will be opening Avatar's campaign soon? It will independent campaign or it will be available only for people who are already are part of DaDice's signature campaign? Can you tell us the rates now etc?

It might launch soon. It will be conducted in a small scale initially and restricted to the members enrolled in the signature campaign.

We keep the suspense.

[arallmuus]

It might launch soon. It will be conducted in a small scale initially

and restricted to the members enrolled in the signature campaign.

By conducted in a small scale initially does you mean that only some of the dadice participants will be given a tryout for the avatar campaign?

and restricted to the members enrolled in the signature campaign.

Sounds good, we wouldnt want someone using The bit-x signature trying to participate in the dadice avatar campaign wouldnt we? It will be weird to have someone who advertised two different sites with an account

[marcotheminer]

It might launch soon. It will be conducted in a small scale initially

and restricted to the members enrolled in the signature campaign.

By conducted in a small scale initially does you mean that only some of the dadice participants will be given a tryout for the avatar campaign?

and restricted to the members enrolled in the signature campaign.

Sounds good, we wouldnt want someone using The bit-x signature trying to participate in the dadice avatar campaign wouldnt we? It will be weird to have someone who advertised two different sites with an account

They're two completely different sites so I don't suppose it would matter much, like personal messages.

[arallmuus]

It might launch soon. It will be conducted in a small scale initially

and restricted to the members enrolled in the signature campaign.

By conducted in a small scale initially does you mean that only some of the dadice participants will be given a tryout for the avatar campaign?

and restricted to the members enrolled in the signature campaign.

Sounds good, we wouldnt want someone using The bit-x signature trying to participate in the dadice avatar campaign wouldnt we? It will be weird to have someone who advertised two different sites with an account

They're two completely different sites so I don't suppose it would matter much, like personal messages.

Im sorry for targetting bit-x , I dont mean any harm, just wanted to point out my opinion

That is correct, but It will actually weird imho
Lets say I use up bit-x avatar, supposely someone attracted to my avatar and wish to find out about bit-x, but there will be no clickable link for him in the avatar, and he finds up dadice signature in my signature space, it will then be weird.

If someone will be participating in avatar campaign, I suppose it is better to put in the avatar which is the same sites as your signatures

[WhatTheGox]

Liking the new bonus schedule and the loyality points is a good idea, thanks dadice!

If the bitcoin price keeps dropping i will glady rent out advertising space to you guys on the side of my car/house/clothing.

[ndnh]

Liking the new bonus schedule and the loyality points is a good idea, thanks dadice!

If the bitcoin price keeps dropping i will glady rent out advertising space to you guys on the side of my car/house/clothing.

lol
I really hate this price drop too. 

Bitcoin is growing exponentially, and the price is falling.. wow.

[ndnh]

New poll on.


Edit: please select only one option.

Edit2: Anyone can vote. You need not be a participant of the campaign to vote.

[trafficolaa]

i voted there for avatrat campaign so how can i wear the dadice avatar?
i saw many members already have that?

[ndnh]

i voted there for avatrat campaign so how can i wear the dadice avatar?
i saw many members already have that?

1. You can create your own
1.a. Full Avatar
1.b. Avatar add on

2. You can use one of the avatars from here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=973949.msg11092737#msg11092737
(you can edit on that)

3. You can wait till the contest is over and winners are selected so that there are more options to choose from.

[irfan_pak10]

I voted For Other. Please specify., Because member should have the option what he want to Do, Does he want to add an addon on his personal avatar or he wanted to add full dadice avatar. Upto you lets have a fun.

[shulio]

I voted For Other. Please specify., Because member should have the option what he want to Do, Does he want to add an addon on his personal avatar or he wanted to add full dadice avatar. Upto you lets have a fun.

huh is this what other please specify means? I thought this is wrong, and I voted for #2 which is

Both . At the option of participants

I thought this means that we have the option to use either the full avatar or just the add ons for your personal avatar at your own choice?

[ndnh]

I voted For Other. Please specify., Because member should have the option what he want to Do, Does he want to add an addon on his personal avatar or he wanted to add full dadice avatar. Upto you lets have a fun.

That is option #2 lol.

I voted For Other. Please specify., Because member should have the option what he want to Do, Does he want to add an addon on his personal avatar or he wanted to add full dadice avatar. Upto you lets have a fun.

huh is this what other please specify means? I thought this is wrong, and I voted for #2 which is

Both . At the option of participants

I thought this means that we have the option to use either the full avatar or just the add ons for your personal avatar at your own choice?

You are right. That is what it is supposed to mean.

Other. please specify means some other idea that those two.

[Hazir]

First of all I think that for me the only valid option is to add DaDice sign to my existing avatar. But I am reluctant to do this because I am afraid it would make my avatar unreadable.
But the truth is, I wish for people to have choice and I think the best option here is: let them choose to be less greedy and keep part of their uniqueness, or let them choose ads...

[arallmuus]

First of all I think that for me the only valid option is to add DaDice sign to my existing avatar. But I am reluctant to do this because I am afraid it would make my avatar unreadable.

True that, due to the nature of your avatar almost taking up all the space for the avatar, evem putting an add on will make your personal avatar less readable, unless there is someone good in editing to shrink your current avatar

But the truth is, I wish for people to have choice and I think the best option here is: let them choose to be less greedy and keep part of their uniqueness, or let them choose ads...

Some people just want more money for every post they make, this is actually in human's nature called as greed. Personally the current unofficial avatar campaign doesnt demand every participants of the signature campaign participants to use the avatar, which I think will keep on staying this way.

Participants should be able to consider wether he want to join the avatar campaign or not since avatar is abit personall to reflect yourself

[ndnh]

I am considering making both full avatar and add-on rates the same, so that participants will be more encouraged to wear the add-on.
Rate will be around 8% then.

What do you think?

[arallmuus]

I am considering making both full avatar and add-on rates the same, so that participants will be more encouraged to wear the add-on.
Rate will be around 8% then.

What do you think?

Actually I dont think that is a good idea. Are you willing to drop the avatar campaign to be add on campaign instead?
Because if you are going to make the rate for both the campaign the same then there will be no more reason for someone to give up his own personal avatar spot anymore isnt it? all participants who wish to participate will be wearing the add ons instead since they got the same rate.

[marcotheminer]

I am considering making both full avatar and add-on rates the same, so that participants will be more encouraged to wear the add-on.
Rate will be around 8% then.

What do you think?

Actually I dont think that is a good idea. Are you willing to drop the avatar campaign to be add on campaign instead?
Because if you are going to make the rate for both the campaign the same then there will be no more reason for someone to give up his own personal avatar spot anymore isnt it? all participants who wish to participate will be wearing the add ons instead since they got the same rate.

I think that's the point, so people do not make their entire avatar the company but the option is still there for those doing it out of goodwill.

[arallmuus]

I am considering making both full avatar and add-on rates the same, so that participants will be more encouraged to wear the add-on.
Rate will be around 8% then.

What do you think?

Actually I dont think that is a good idea. Are you willing to drop the avatar campaign to be add on campaign instead?
Because if you are going to make the rate for both the campaign the same then there will be no more reason for someone to give up his own personal avatar spot anymore isnt it? all participants who wish to participate will be wearing the add ons instead since they got the same rate.

I think that's the point, so people do not make their entire avatar the company but the option is still there for those doing it out of goodwill.

That is correct, that is why Im asking if ndnhc will be dropping the avatar campaign to be add on campaign instead since there will be no different in payment rates then of course people will not be willing to use the full avatar .

[ndnh]

I am considering making both full avatar and add-on rates the same, so that participants will be more encouraged to wear the add-on.
Rate will be around 8% then.

What do you think?

Actually I dont think that is a good idea. Are you willing to drop the avatar campaign to be add on campaign instead?
Because if you are going to make the rate for both the campaign the same then there will be no more reason for someone to give up his own personal avatar spot anymore isnt it? all participants who wish to participate will be wearing the add ons instead since they got the same rate.

I think that's the point, so people do not make their entire avatar the company but the option is still there for those doing it out of goodwill.

That is correct, that is why Im asking if ndnhc will be dropping the avatar campaign to be add on campaign instead since there will be no different in payment rates then of course people will not be willing to use the full avatar .

Well, the point was to encourage people to pick up dadice add-ons instead of giving up full avatars.

Point taken.

[shorena]

I am considering making both full avatar and add-on rates the same, so that participants will be more encouraged to wear the add-on.
Rate will be around 8% then.

What do you think?

Actually I dont think that is a good idea. Are you willing to drop the avatar campaign to be add on campaign instead?
Because if you are going to make the rate for both the campaign the same then there will be no more reason for someone to give up his own personal avatar spot anymore isnt it? all participants who wish to participate will be wearing the add ons instead since they got the same rate.

I think that's the point, so people do not make their entire avatar the company but the option is still there for those doing it out of goodwill.

That is correct, that is why Im asking if ndnhc will be dropping the avatar campaign to be add on campaign instead since there will be no different in payment rates then of course people will not be willing to use the full avatar .

Well, the point was to encourage people to pick up dadice add-ons instead of giving up full avatars.

Point taken.

Im personally not a big fan of avatar campaigns, but this is probably because I got used to identifying posters by their avatar. Now that changing them is possible, it happens regularly and its harder to identify someone by their avatar. Besides that I would still offer both versions.

If you want to see more add-ons offer the same rates as it discourages using the full version. On the other hand offering the full version regardless gives those have no avatar they want to uses an option to just select one from a list.

If you want to encourage full avatars offer a higher rate for them.

[ndnh]

Would anyone mind if we exclude Meta and Beginners and Help boards from next week?

You can certainly post there, but only it won't be counted. But, if we find very useful posts in Beginners and Help we will certainly count them.

What do you think?

[marcotheminer]

Would anyone mind if we exclude Meta and Beginners and Help boards from next week?

You can certainly post there, but only it won't be counted. But, if we find very useful posts in Beginners and Help we will certainly count them.

What do you think?

Of course people will say that they mind, those boards are places where members can make 100s of posts.

[cakir]

Would anyone mind if we exclude Meta and Beginners and Help boards from next week?

You can certainly post there, but only it won't be counted. But, if we find very useful posts in Beginners and Help we will certainly count them.

What do you think?

I don't mind.

edit: Beginners section should be discouraged actually. Lots of newbies could be affected and loose money on gambling. I don't want something like that. Gambling is for fun not for ripping off people.

[arallmuus]

Would anyone mind if we exclude Meta and Beginners and Help boards from next week?

You can certainly post there, but only it won't be counted. But, if we find very useful posts in Beginners and Help we will certainly count them.

What do you think?

I dont mind about it since I dont posted in beginners and help section , the same goes for meta section which I spent less time to monitor there

Any reason why meta is excluded because I dont see much spam for this section , instead, politics and society is the section that has higher spam post imo


EDIT : another option is to stricten up the counting as I do see some of the post in beginners and help is usefull enough .

For example when someone newbie asking about what is a signed message, first and second posts explaining about it might be usefull , but continous explanation about the same answer is considered a spam

[ndnh]

Would anyone mind if we exclude Meta and Beginners and Help boards from next week?

You can certainly post there, but only it won't be counted. But, if we find very useful posts in Beginners and Help we will certainly count them.

What do you think?

I don't mind.

edit: Beginners section should be discouraged actually. Lots of newbies could be affected and loose money on gambling. I don't want something like that. Gambling is for fun not for ripping off people.

Agreed. Beginners & Help boards will be excluded from next week.

I also think it will be very easy for someone to rephrase and post what someone else posted before.

I dont mind about it since I dont posted in beginners and help section , the same goes for meta section which I spent less time to monitor ther

EDIT : another option is to stricten up the counting as I do see some of the post in beginners and help is usefull enough .

For example when someone newbie asking about what is a signed message, first and second posts explaining about it might be usefull , but e

Any reason why meta is excluded because I dont see much spam for this section , instead, politics and society is the section that has higher spam post imo
continous explanation about the same answer is considered a spam

Meta board is not being considered because of that, just that it is not very relevant to signature campaigns.

There is an issue with stricting up more though, some of the participants will get very small amounts...

[arallmuus]

I dont mind about it since I dont posted in beginners and help section , the same goes for meta section which I spent less time to monitor there

EDIT : another option is to stricten up the counting as I do see some of the post in beginners and help is usefull enough .

For example when someone newbie asking about what is a signed message, first and second posts explaining about it might be usefull , but e

Any reason why meta is excluded because I dont see much spam for this section , instead, politics and society is the section that has higher spam post imo
continous explanation about the same answer is considered a spam

Meta board is not being considered because of that, just that it is not very relevant to signature campaigns.

There is an issue with stricting up more though, some of the participants will get very small amounts...

Good point, but also you should note that limiting the boards will actually makes the spammers to move their spam post too, once you excluded meta, beginners and help and the other boards, the spammer will find another boards to spam. That is why I choose to stricten up the counting tho 

[ndnh]

I dont mind about it since I dont posted in beginners and help section , the same goes for meta section which I spent less time to monitor there

EDIT : another option is to stricten up the counting as I do see some of the post in beginners and help is usefull enough .

For example when someone newbie asking about what is a signed message, first and second posts explaining about it might be usefull , but e

Any reason why meta is excluded because I dont see much spam for this section , instead, politics and society is the section that has higher spam post imo
continous explanation about the same answer is considered a spam

Meta board is not being considered because of that, just that it is not very relevant to signature campaigns.

There is an issue with stricting up more though, some of the participants will get very small amounts...

Good point, but also you should note that limiting the boards will actually makes the spammers to move their spam post too, once you excluded meta, beginners and help and the other boards, the spammer will find another boards to spam. That is why I choose to stricten up the counting tho  

Yes, that is exactly the counter point we face..

Since bit-x might soon exclude the entire part of other section and we also do kind of the same, all spam will go to marketplace and economy boards. (If that is the case, it is going to be stricter as you said)

[marcotheminer]

I haven't excluded, nor have I said that I will exclude, the whole other board.

[ndnh]

I haven't excluded, nor have I said that I will exclude, the whole other board.

I certainly included "might" and "soon".

Well, you got Archival, Beginners & Help, Politics and Society, Off-topic, Meta....

Our campaign already excludes Off-topic, partially Politics & Society, and Beginners & Help will be excluded from next week.

Meta is being considered now.

[arallmuus]

I dont mind about it since I dont posted in beginners and help section , the same goes for meta section which I spent less time to monitor there

EDIT : another option is to stricten up the counting as I do see some of the post in beginners and help is usefull enough .

For example when someone newbie asking about what is a signed message, first and second posts explaining about it might be usefull , but e

Any reason why meta is excluded because I dont see much spam for this section , instead, politics and society is the section that has higher spam post imo
continous explanation about the same answer is considered a spam

Meta board is not being considered because of that, just that it is not very relevant to signature campaigns.

There is an issue with stricting up more though, some of the participants will get very small amounts...

Good point, but also you should note that limiting the boards will actually makes the spammers to move their spam post too, once you excluded meta, beginners and help and the other boards, the spammer will find another boards to spam. That is why I choose to stricten up the counting tho  

Yes, that is exactly the counter point we face..

Since bit-x might soon exclude the entire other section and we also do kind of the same, all spam will go to marketplace and economy boards. (If that is the case, it is going to be stricter as you said)

right, this is like double edge swords, whichever option is selected there will be a counter for that and there is already alot of spam in there which you can see that lot of same user keep on asking this

can you sign a message from an old edited posts

has the account been banned before?

the account price is too high, bla bla bla ...

your site is great, bla bla bla

Not to mention alot more  

I haven't excluded, nor have I said that I will exclude, the whole other board.

If i remember correctly , you posted that you gonna exclude meta and the beginners and help, but I could find it, did you delete them or you never posted it?

[ndnh]

I haven't excluded, nor have I said that I will exclude, the whole other board.

If i remember correctly , you posted that you gonna exclude meta and the beginners and help, but I could find it, did you delete them or you never posted it?

NO CHANGES UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE.

From this moment on: Meta, auctions, politics & society do not count towards a user's post count. This will last until the start of the new campaign, when things will change. (1 or 2 weeks from now).

This big change was brought by the large increase in spam.

Beginners & help may soon be excluded too, if posters do not improve.

If you spam, or post unneeded replies, you will be kicked. End of discussion.

Please play your part in keeping this forum readable .

[xuan87]

I haven't excluded, nor have I said that I will exclude, the whole other board.

I certainly included "might" and "soon".

Well, you got Archival, Beginners & Help, Politics and Society, Off-topic, Meta....

Our campaign already excludes Off-topic, partially Politics & Society, and Beginners & Help will be excluded from next week.

Meta is being considered now.

That's was a wise decision since I saw many account re-create some old thread or useless topic with same replies again and again.

I'm wonder what next section that will be spam if those section (Off-topic, partially Politics & Society, and Beginners & Help)  got excluded  

[marcotheminer]

I haven't excluded, nor have I said that I will exclude, the whole other board.

I certainly included "might" and "soon".

Well, you got Archival, Beginners & Help, Politics and Society, Off-topic, Meta....

Our campaign already excludes Off-topic, partially Politics & Society, and Beginners & Help will be excluded from next week.

Meta is being considered now.

Archival, Beginners & Help, Politics and Society, and Meta are allowed in the Bit-X campaign just to clear any confusion.

[ndnh]

I haven't excluded, nor have I said that I will exclude, the whole other board.

I certainly included "might" and "soon".

Well, you got Archival, Beginners & Help, Politics and Society, Off-topic, Meta....

Our campaign already excludes Off-topic, partially Politics & Society, and Beginners & Help will be excluded from next week.

Meta is being considered now.

Archival, Beginners & Help, Politics and Society, and Meta are allowed in the Bit-X campaign just to clear any confusion.

O, sorry, I didn't mean it that way. lol.

Thanks for clarifying.

[ndnh]

I haven't excluded, nor have I said that I will exclude, the whole other board.

I certainly included "might" and "soon".

Well, you got Archival, Beginners & Help, Politics and Society, Off-topic, Meta....

Our campaign already excludes Off-topic, partially Politics & Society, and Beginners & Help will be excluded from next week.

Meta is being considered now.

That's was a wise decision since I saw many account re-create some old thread or useless topic with same replies again and again.

I'm wonder what next section that will be spam if those section (Off-topic, partially Politics & Society, and Beginners & Help)  got excluded  

Yeah, if the spam redirects to any other board, we will make the post counting extra strict. Dunno what else to do...

Or instead of making the exclusions, simply make post counting super strict?? I am considering this alternative now. lol..

[Joca97]

ndhnc do you accept more senior members
because i seen that you got 25/25 would you accept more?

[ndnh]

ndhnc do you accept more senior members
because i seen that you got 25/25 would you accept more?

It is ndnhc.  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1026731.0  lol

Yeah, Just changed it to 7 total spots available..

[Joca97]

ndhnc do you accept more senior members
because i seen that you got 25/25 would you accept more?

It is ndnhc.  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1026731.0  lol

Yeah, Just changed it to 7 total spots available..

please reserve me 1 spot
i will be joining next sunday!!!i really like you campaign!!

[arallmuus]

ndhnc do you accept more senior members
because i seen that you got 25/25 would you accept more?

It is ndnhc.  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1026731.0  lol

Yeah, Just changed it to 7 total spots available..

please reserve me 1 spot
i will be joining next sunday!!!i really like you campaign!!

Im sorry but I do think there is no reserve in spot for this since the demand to join this campaign is quite high at the moment  . Since you will be joining in next sunday which is 7 more days from now, I do think that is it better for you to just join up now since you have just gotten your payment

[ndnh]

ndhnc do you accept more senior members
because i seen that you got 25/25 would you accept more?

It is ndnhc.  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1026731.0  lol

Yeah, Just changed it to 7 total spots available..

please reserve me 1 spot
i will be joining next sunday!!!i really like you campaign!!

Confirming the above post.

I cannot reserve a spot. If I was to reserve a spot, no spot would have been available atm. lol.
Well, chances are there might a few spots left when you intend to join.

Thanks
ndnhc

[tspacepilot]

Would anyone mind if we exclude Meta and Beginners and Help boards from next week?

You can certainly post there, but only it won't be counted. But, if we find very useful posts in Beginners and Help we will certainly count them.

What do you think?

I guess I think it's kinda a bad idea.  The more you limit which posts you pay for the less competitive your campaign is (remember "da best campaign"?).  Secondarily, why wouldn't dadice want to advertize in these sections.  In Meta you often have very intelligent discussions going about the forum itself and how it should be run, how it is run.  There are a lot of old-school bitcoiners in that section.  Surely dadice wants them to come gambling.

Similarly, beginners and help can be a great place where the dadice message can be associated with positivity and contructiveness.  When someone is stuck on a technical detail, and someone else answers them with dadice signature, I would think that would be a valuable association for dadice.

[arallmuus]

Would anyone mind if we exclude Meta and Beginners and Help boards from next week?

You can certainly post there, but only it won't be counted. But, if we find very useful posts in Beginners and Help we will certainly count them.

What do you think?

I guess I think it's kinda a bad idea.  The more you limit which posts you pay for the less competitive your campaign is (remember "da best campaign"?).  Secondarily, why wouldn't dadice want to advertize in these sections.  In Meta you often have very intelligent discussions going about the forum itself and how it should be run, how it is run.  There are a lot of old-school bitcoiners in that section.  Surely dadice wants them to come gambling.

Similarly, beginners and help can be a great place where the dadice message can be associated with positivity and contructiveness.  When someone is stuck on a technical detail, and someone else answers them with dadice signature, I would think that would be a valuable association for dadice.

You got a point, but ndnhc has already excluded two boards for next week due to the high number of spam in that boards. For me, I do think that it is better to stricten up the post counting rather than excluding some boards as there are always potential new player for the sites and also the spammer will move from the excluded boards because it is not counted anymore.

By strictening the post counting, some spammers will get their lesson and the risk of not getting paid for their spam post and also a risk to be reported to badbear as well

Well, this is how I see it should be handled, anyway the decision will be up to ndnhc, bf4btc and also dadice

Announcement:
Beginners & Help and Politics & Society boards will be excluded from next week on-wards.

You may however post there as usual. They won't be counted tho.

[twister]

Would anyone mind if we exclude Meta and Beginners and Help boards from next week?

You can certainly post there, but only it won't be counted. But, if we find very useful posts in Beginners and Help we will certainly count them.

What do you think?

Yeah I agree, read my suggestion here : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1031511.msg11133478#msg11133478

I think Politics & Society should also be excluded, that board more or less has turned into another sub-forum where all the off-topic discussions take place. Apply this rule from next week and post your agreement their if you agree, so other campaign managers can also follow this decision if they see it right.

[ndnh]

Thanks

Here are the almost finalized new rules:
1. Politics & Society and Beginners & Help partially excluded.
Only strictly constructive posts in both sections will be counted. If it has already been answered and does not contribute anything significant, the post will be ignored.

2. Off-topic excluded.

3. Meta boards included.

4. Local boards included. (Constructive, non off-topic, only as usual. counting of such posts capped at 15% of total posts in the week)

5. Constructive posts in Altcoin boards included.


Grading will be based fully on constructiveness.

Post counting will be stricter.

Grades with C- or less will run the risk of getting removed from the campaign next week.

How should we encourage participants who post in relevant boards like Gambling board?

[shorena]

Thanks

Someone posted Beginners & Help should be excluded because we don't want newbies who may not be aware of responsible gambling and risk only what you can afford to lose concepts. So, it can also take be taken as a ethics based move.

One could also argue that there is no reason to act like a guardian or treat newbies like kids. The thing with bitcoin is that there essentially is no one protecting you and you have to get used to it.

[ndnh]

One could also argue that there is no reason to act like a guardian or treat newbies like kids. The thing with bitcoin is that there essentially is no one protecting you and you have to get used to it.

K, removed that part. 

That is how I learned things here.

[shorena]

One could also argue that there is no reason to act like a guardian or treat newbies like kids. The thing with bitcoin is that there essentially is no one protecting you and you have to get used to it.

K, removed that part.  

That is how I learned things here.

I did read this post yesterday that I think is very troubling.

+1 posts would have been fine in my opinion if it weren't for sig campaigns. Getting paid for posting meaningless posts is the problem, so once you disallow them for people with sig campaigns you have to disallow them for everyone else.

Following that logic signature campaigns make this board more and more useless for other people. What can we do about this?

I think I as a participant can make sure my posts are fine or just dont post them.
I think campaign managers need to think who to pay. Im not sure if removing section after section is the right way, but I am certainly willing to try it.

Edit:

Maybe we could start to post here which posts are of someone wearing a dadice signature are (elaborated) spam?

I am no particular fan of publicly shaming someone into conformation, but it would certainly give you ndnhc a few ideas who to look closer at.

[arallmuus]

Edit:

Maybe we could start to post here which posts are of someone wearing a dadice signature are (elaborated) spam?

I am no particular fan of publicly shaming someone into conformation, but it would certainly give you ndnhc a few ideas who to look closer at.

I dont think that posting someone's post spam here is a good idea, since doing so will lead this thread into a quarrel thread between few other people who trashed someone's post by considering it as a spam. Best thing to do is to PM ndnhc privately about someone's spam post

How should we encourage participants who post in relevant boards like Gambling board?

We shouldn't do this, everyone should be free on where to posts, by encouraging someone with less interest to post in the gambling boards will only lead the board to be spammed by the spammers

[Hazir]

I will something I think is relevant here:

Announcement:
Beginners & Help and Politics & Society boards will be excluded from next week on-wards.

You may however post there as usual. They won't be counted tho.

Why don't you just deal with spam/spammers on a case-by-case basis instead? All this does is make the spammers post elsewhere where their posts are counted so next week you'll probably be banning Meta & Bitcoin discussion. People who make decent posts shouldn't be penalised so rather than discounting all posts in certain sections remove the people who make poor quality contributions instead.

It is valid point actually. It is not the way to deal with the spam. I'm worried that in couple of weeks there will be only Gambling section left to post in. I think the best way to cut the spam amount will be capping max limit post at lower level I think 50 post per week would be good, maybe even less. Not just for this campaign but for every campaign on the forum, that way people won't be tempted to post more just for money.

And I just repeat that what hilarious said is true. That will only made spam in section where posting is still allowed more - because people would be forced to post in threads they are not so fond of.
Mr. Hobbit know that you are mainly interested of promoting DaDice in gambling section. But forcing people to post there when they are not interested are just wrong. I've seen in the past that you wanted to cut Meta, Beginer and Help, Politics, and altcoins even if I am not mistaken. Don't do that. Lower the post cap as I proposed. I think every campaign should do that it should be forum regulated rule.
Or maybe you have better idea?

[arallmuus]

Lower the post cap as I proposed. I think every campaign should do that it should be forum regulated rule.
Or maybe you have better idea?

why is limiting the post is an excelent way of reducing the spam posts?please elaborate more of this. if you check on the weekly/ bi weekly sig campaign with small posts requirement, you can actually see that most of them are still spamming their post count at almost the end of their pay week

In short, spammers will always spam no matter what the post requirement is, best thing to do is to warn them or to cut off their payment immediately. The current idea of ndnhc to check on personally each posts is actually a good idea, lets see how this goes for tomorrow

[ndnh]

Dang! I actually replied to everyone above and instead of alt+s, I closed the tab.  

No draft too.  

Edit: This is the problem with not making consecutive posts...

[ndnh]

One could also argue that there is no reason to act like a guardian or treat newbies like kids. The thing with bitcoin is that there essentially is no one protecting you and you have to get used to it.

K, removed that part.  

That is how I learned things here.

I did read this post yesterday that I think is very troubling.

+1 posts would have been fine in my opinion if it weren't for sig campaigns. Getting paid for posting meaningless posts is the problem, so once you disallow them for people with sig campaigns you have to disallow them for everyone else.

Following that logic signature campaigns make this board more and more useless for other people. What can we do about this?

I think I as a participant can make sure my posts are fine or just dont post them.
I think campaign managers need to think who to pay. Im not sure if removing section after section is the right way, but I am certainly willing to try it.

Edit:

Maybe we could start to post here which posts are of someone wearing a dadice signature are (elaborated) spam?

I am no particular fan of publicly shaming someone into conformation, but it would certainly give you ndnhc a few ideas who to look closer at.

Yes, that is an issue.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1028868.msg11132175#msg11132175

No, I don't think discussing with examples like that will be a good idea. There will be WAR, lol.
Also, many genuine participants, who simply are not quality posters will feel bad too.

Edit:

Maybe we could start to post here which posts are of someone wearing a dadice signature are (elaborated) spam?

I am no particular fan of publicly shaming someone into conformation, but it would certainly give you ndnhc a few ideas who to look closer at.

I dont think that posting someone's post spam here is a good idea, since doing so will lead this thread into a quarrel thread between few other people who trashed someone's post by considering it as a spam. Best thing to do is to PM ndnhc privately about someone's spam post

How should we encourage participants who post in relevant boards like Gambling board?

We shouldn't do this, everyone should be free on where to posts, by encouraging someone with less interest to post in the gambling boards will only lead the board to be spammed by the spammers

It is a debatable topic. lol.
From the campaign viewpoint, it is fair. Those who make the campaign effective should be rewarded more, however insignificant that may be, that those who may not. I am only talking about a small incentive, may be a bonus for those who actually post in the boards associated with the campaign. It might result in campaigns excluding certain members otherwise. So, speaking long term, this is actually good for those who are interested in other boards.

Lower the post cap as I proposed. I think every campaign should do that it should be forum regulated rule.
Or maybe you have better idea?

why is limiting the post is an excelent way of reducing the spam posts?please elaborate more of this. if you check on the weekly/ bi weekly sig campaign with small posts requirement, you can actually see that most of them are still spamming their post count at almost the end of their pay week

In short, spammers will always spam no matter what the post requirement is, best thing to do is to warn them or to cut off their payment immediately. The current idea of ndnhc to check on personally each posts is actually a good idea, lets see how this goes for tomorrow

The max limit is kept to keep a check on forced posting. That is the only reason that is keeping us from raising it as suggested.

No, reducing it further, will not have a good effect.

Thanks

[ndnh]

btw, just clarifying,
we are not going to offer different rates to different boards, different rates to different participants or anything like that.

This is just discussion, and don't conclude that any decision I post here is final or something like that.

[ndnh]

I don't want to write this in the campaign thread, but what is your opinion about the issue with tspacepilot? I saw you removed his profile link from the sheet, are you planning to kick him out?

I think the trust given to him was an obvious retaliation and he shouldn't be removed from the campaign because of that. Sometimes the trust system does not work as intended and a campaign manager should decide if the accusations are valid.

Dunno he is currently removed.

He will be paid for his posts, since I am not really sure about that.

He will be re-enrolled next week, if everything is fine. I don't have the time to check into the details atm.

[arallmuus]

It is a debatable topic. lol.
From the campaign viewpoint, it is fair. Those who make the campaign effective should be rewarded more, however insignificant that may be, that those who may not. I am only talking about a small incentive, may be a bonus for those who actually post in the boards associated with the campaign. It might result in campaigns excluding certain members otherwise. So, speaking long term, this is actually good for those who are interested in other boards.

Fair points, but it could be resulted in more spam dont you think? since people might be trying to post in there although he has no interest in it and just trying to get some extra tips for posting there

The max limit is kept to keep a check on forced posting. That is the only reason that is keeping us from raising it as suggested.

No, reducing it further, will not have a good effect.

Thanks

Raising it wont be necessary, it is less than 24 hours for the counting to start and no one reached 100 posts yet as of now. The average posts for those who reach 100 posts in a week is usually 100-110 posts ( not to count quickseller's ). Clearly I dont mind making another 10 posts extra for the campaign since there is an extra bonus in play  

[ndnh]

It is a debatable topic. lol.
From the campaign viewpoint, it is fair. Those who make the campaign effective should be rewarded more, however insignificant that may be, that those who may not. I am only talking about a small incentive, may be a bonus for those who actually post in the boards associated with the campaign. It might result in campaigns excluding certain members otherwise. So, speaking long term, this is actually good for those who are interested in other boards.

Fair points, but it could be resulted in more spam dont you think? since people might be trying to post in there although he has no interest in it and just trying to get some extra tips for posting there,

lol, it won't be that big enough to persuade unwilling people to post there. lol. It is better than campaigns that state 10 etc. posts minimum in this particular board to get payout.
Yet, the latter seems to be okay with the participants

[arallmuus]

It is a debatable topic. lol.
From the campaign viewpoint, it is fair. Those who make the campaign effective should be rewarded more, however insignificant that may be, that those who may not. I am only talking about a small incentive, may be a bonus for those who actually post in the boards associated with the campaign. It might result in campaigns excluding certain members otherwise. So, speaking long term, this is actually good for those who are interested in other boards.

Fair points, but it could be resulted in more spam dont you think? since people might be trying to post in there although he has no interest in it and just trying to get some extra tips for posting there,

lol, it won't be that big enough to persuade unwilling people to post there. lol. It is better than campaigns that state 10 etc. posts minimum in this particular board to get payout.
Yet, the latter seems to be okay with the participants

For some people, perhaps it is enough to persuade them. Reemembered the first avatar campaign on the boards? some people quickly sell their avatar off for such small rates so yes even with a small amount, some people can be persuaded to do something
and yes the latter seems to be a common rules for most of the gambling signature campaign like minimum of X posts in gambling boards

[ndnh]

and yes the latter seems to be a common rules for most of the gambling signature campaign like minimum of X posts in gambling boards

That is more acceptable

It would actually force every participant to make posts in the board. That is forced posting, which is what I am trying to avoid now.. 
Would rather go without it.

[shorena]

-snip-
Yes, that is an issue.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1028868.msg11132175#msg11132175

No, I don't think discussing with examples like that will be a good idea. There will be WAR, lol.
Also, many genuine participants, who simply are not quality posters will feel bad too.
-snip-

Yep its the best way to get people hurt over a post. I honestly dont know what the solution is besides: cherry pick those you want to promote dadice. If you want more posts in the gambling section, take participants that post mainly there and kick others out (regardless of constructiveness). E.g. if the majority of my posts are in tech support, but thats not a section you are interested promoting in you should probably "let me go".

[sukamasoto]

How should we encourage participants who post in relevant boards like Gambling board?

At least people need to play the site before able to replied on the topic.
So this is undirectly forced to us to play it and it seems fair to company and for campaigner

[ndnh]

-snip-
Yes, that is an issue.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1028868.msg11132175#msg11132175

No, I don't think discussing with examples like that will be a good idea. There will be WAR, lol.
Also, many genuine participants, who simply are not quality posters will feel bad too.
-snip-

Yep its the best way to get people hurt over a post. I honestly dont know what the solution is besides: cherry pick those you want to promote dadice. If you want more posts in the gambling section, take participants that post mainly there and kick others out (regardless of constructiveness). E.g. if the majority of my posts are in tech support, but thats not a section you are interested promoting in you should probably "let me go".

I agree. But then it will be something like closed to the community or something like that.
Edit: We certainly don't want that. We need it open to everyone.
I am just thinking of a fairer system to the campaign.

We will just go with the current set up as long as change is necessary..
Just wanted to know what you guys think about all these.

[shorena]

-snip-
Yes, that is an issue.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1028868.msg11132175#msg11132175

No, I don't think discussing with examples like that will be a good idea. There will be WAR, lol.
Also, many genuine participants, who simply are not quality posters will feel bad too.
-snip-

Yep its the best way to get people hurt over a post. I honestly dont know what the solution is besides: cherry pick those you want to promote dadice. If you want more posts in the gambling section, take participants that post mainly there and kick others out (regardless of constructiveness). E.g. if the majority of my posts are in tech support, but thats not a section you are interested promoting in you should probably "let me go".

I agree. But then it will be something like closed to the community or something like that.
Edit: We certainly don't want that. We need it open to everyone.
I am just thinking of a fairer system to the campaign.

We will just go with the current set up as long as change is necessary..
Just wanted to know what you guys think about all these.

Im sure you will do what you think is best. Im just a bit tired of these discussion the last days. Its frustrating because there is no good solution. Well besides maybe to stock up on mods, but thats outside of our possibilities. It might not even be helping, depending on the number of reports that come in. This is pretty much for all ideas that I have read lately, there is always a flipside to the coin.

[SebastianJu]

Would anyone mind if we exclude Meta and Beginners and Help boards from next week?

You can certainly post there, but only it won't be counted. But, if we find very useful posts in Beginners and Help we will certainly count them.

What do you think?

I think as long as constructive posts are counted its fine. Because i think those forums are the first point where real new users apply. And those will more likely check out a dice site than older users. They dont know what it is and might click more easy. And play if they are minded that way.

So campaigners answering questions there could be a valuable marketing. Counting those posts is good i think.

Maybe its best that way. Though i wonder if there really is so much hard to identify spam.

I think if you take the bonus as a reward someone can reach for then 3 bonuses mean that everyone lower might think that he cant reach the bonus anyway, there are 3 or 4 top posters who will take them with high certainty.

So even if you have small bonuses like 1-0.1 2-3-0.05 and the last 0.1 spread in 4 maybe. Then you might reach a broader effect because many more user see the possibility to reach at least one of the bonuses.

Thats at least how i see it as an incentive. Of course i guess the top three poster wouldnt like it. Though they wouldnt go because they still would earn way more than in other campaigns.

That is exactly what it is going to be.

Great that this campaign is open to suggestions. Others are missing that for a reason i dont see from a marketing perspective.

[ndnh]

Open for discussions.