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I only see hatred flowing in a single direction...

According to studies, an atheist is less trusted than a child molester
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/in-atheists-we-distrust/ (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/in-atheists-we-distrust/)

Several US states have laws barring atheists from running for public office

Atheist are just like everyone else, except they don't believe in fairy tales... why is everyone so scared of atheists?

Any group defines its self by who they hate or who they do not allow into their club. Atheism threatens the church and its argument that really is only pushed by religious types to feel relevant in the dying days of religion. Fingers crossed.

modern atheism works itself as a religion, they're programmed to fight each other

Its a shell game that we all can play even when we think we have no role in the charade.
Find a lot of us call ourselves atheist just because there is no other label for "Do not give a shit"!

I dont think Christians hate atheists. Christianity is not about hate so Christians may feel sorry for atheist or not trust them but hate is too strong word. On the other side, most of atheists are in fact hateists so they hate Christians.

Not hard to guess which side of the fence you sit on. If you base trust in humans based on being religious or not, you have already missed the boat.

There are too many atheists in government right now. That's why we have things like Big Bang taught as fact in many of our schools, and God taught as myth. Get the atheists out of government altogether.

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Are there any atheists in government?

Can you name a single one?

Atheists deny truth, but not fairy tales.

What does this even mean?

The bible is a fairy tale, unless you can prove me wrong. Maybe send uber jesus round to pick me up.

Such a silly question. Even government applications require that a person's employment not be based on his religious affiliation. So, even government doesn't know.

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Since God has been scientifically proven to exist, atheism is the fairytale.

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Stating a truth and showing are two different things.
I know you are steadfast in believing in a god, what happens if the bible was rewritten and you are following a path that is faulty?

Uberjesus never showed, so I guess I still need to be worked on.

Everything else being the same, even if the Bible was proven to be not true, science still has proven that God exists.

So, what is a uberjesus?

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Regardless of whether it is required, most politicians freely announce their religious affiliation... It is far from a silly question... Especially after you claimed there are too many atheists in government... I am only asking you to back up your claim with a single fact

Obama is a Christian. George Bush is a Christian. Ben Carson is a Christian (assuming 7th day Adventist counts). Marco Rubio is a Christian. Donald Trump is a Christian. Bernie Sanders is Jewish. Mitt Romney is Mormon...

I can't think of any atheists... Can you?

Yeah for sure, nothing to see with the fact that God is a mystical concept without any proof whereas Big Bang theory, though being a theory, matches perfectly well with ALL OUR OBSERVATIONS and ALL THE PHYSICS LAWS that we use, understand and discovered.

But else, no reason at all.

your words are so illogical.. nobody should feel so sorry on atheists.. go and pray your so-called holy god.. leave us alone..

Isn't it the other way around? Atheists hating Christians that much?

Believe in whatever you want as long: god or no god. As long as you keep it to yourself and not force it on anyone.

Poor baby. I know, I know. It is so hard to stand up against the four witnesses that are showing you that God exists:
1. A person who tells you that God exists;
2. The Holy Spirit witnessing to you in you heart and spirit;
3. You, yourself, in your early childhood and fetal memories;
4. And now the fact that science has proven that God exists - you can find this information throughout the pages of the "Why do Atheists hate Religion ? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.0)" thread or here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395.

Why is it that you atheists want to believe the truth of all kinds of things and sciences, but you don't want to believe the truth of the existence of God? I can't figure that one out.

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According to Holly Bible Christians can not hate anyone..No they can look them like people whom they should help to find way to God and light

God does not exist...

The God you worship is merely "the God of the gaps"... meaning, you attribute to God, whatever has not (yet) been explained by science...


1000 years ago, God was responsible for lightning, earthquakes and hurricanes... now that we are more educated, we realize lightning is caused by static electricity in the clouds, earthquakes are caused by shifting of the earth's crust, etc... it is no longer caused by God, because it is no longer a 'gap' in our knowledge...

Following this philosophy, your God of the gaps is getting smaller and smaller... less powerful as time progresses, because he is responsible for fewer unexplained events...


If you say, "A universe this complex would need to be created by a more complex God"... well then, who created God?  Something even more complex?

Theists will claim, "Something can't come out of nothing", so where did your God come from?

You can't have a creation (God) without a creator (God's dad)... the flaw with Infinite Regress (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_regress) is the first cause...

"Cause and effect" is real science.

"Complex universe" is real science.

"Universal entropy" is real science.

Combining these three scientific things allows no other way for the universe to exist but by God.

The God expressed by these three scientific things is not necessarily the god of any earthly religion. The science doesn't go far enough to explain which god of which religion might be the real one.

If the dictionary definitions of the word "God" are changed just enough, the word "God" might no longer be appropriate.

Let me say it differently. There is and Entity that made the universe. It is highly intelligent way beyond man. It is supremely powerful and capable, way beyond understanding. The science expressed above proves this.

The science doesn't prove much of anything else about this entity. So far, the term "God" fits what science has proven about this Entity.

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Motheism of Head Brain.

Atheists are to close to socialists and communists, and be a communist in USA is just a crime

http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/

ANSWER THE QUESTION WITHOUT PREACHING YOUR BULLSHIT ;D
YOUR SO BORING WHEN YOU PREACH

Ahah! Totally true! Anything close to "redistribution of wealth" is a capital crime in the USA!!!

"OMG! You want to take money of the rich to give to the poor? Wtf??? Why not giving them rights if you go this way?!?!"

Don't hate them, just don't want to be in touch with them..have nothing about to talk because their views are totally different

Hard to figure which side of the fence you are leaning not that it matters to much.

To write off one side of the issue is to go about life with a half cocked idea in ones head. If you are unable to see things from the other side you are really not living a open life. So as a Christian you are not being excepting of a fellow man/women and as atheist you are not allowing open discussion.
That said I agree to the point that both sides are locked and if I was to look today,I would say religion is still as powerful as ever.
No President can even state he is anything other than Christian in the States and Muslims are increasing in numbers at a pretty good clip.
Atheists have always been around and are slowly gaining traction in the public arena. So it looks like a issue for a long time more and will not be solved in this life.

On one hand I'm sad that I haven't thought about this topic myself. On the other somehow I feel it's useless because the christian nuts will come and say a) how much they don't like atheists and that they're bad and b) atheists are bad because they're bad. No, don't try to understand them. Even they don't understand themselves.

Sounds like you have met a few Christians...

It's the bane of my life, my friend. But of course, all the appliances and commodities of modern life that all Christians enjoy, which they enjoy thanks to science are not evil/bad/from the devil. I'd like them to give up all that comes to science, go live in mud huts and use candles for light.

Oh, how harsh of you.   :D

Christians recognize science at least as much as non-Christians and atheists. How do we know? Because Christians know that everything comes from God.

Christians don't deny factual science. In fact, Christians embrace factual science. The thing that Christians often don't embrace is non-factual science, namely, science theory.

Since many scientists, but mostly amateur scientists and atheists, embrace the non-facts of science theory as though they were facts, it is these people that have the greater religion.

Why do science theory believers have the greater religion? Because, as I have shown over and over in the "Why do Atheists hate Religion (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.0)" thread, and elsewhere, standard science proves that God exists, while believers in science theory often attempt to convince themselves and others that God doesn't exist.

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Yes, we do know that Christians recognize science...

When your child has cancer, do you take your kid to the hospital for chemotherapy (science), or pray to God (religion)?

In most states, if you pray to God instead of taking your child to the hospital, you go to prison for negligent homicide... for good reason... because God doesn't exist and prayer doesn't cure cancer...


In science, theory does not mean hypothesis... Look it up...

This is a common tactic from Christians to imply that a scientific theory means hypothesis... only a fool would argue such a case...

Actually you're just blowing hot air. You haven't proved anything. Just once I'd like to see something concrete, not just you repeating things other people say and then saying they're wrong. Someone says the sky is blue and then you come along saying things like "and you've just proven that the sky it's green and you believe it". It's like the episode from the twilight zone when people don't understand each other anymore because they're just saying nonsense.

Depends on which part of the Bible.
Leviticus is part of the Bible and it's all a question of killing murdering burning alive and shit like that.
I'd say it's rather hainous part of the book xD

When my child gets cancer, it heals automatically, long before anybody knows that he/she has cancer. And then, since the cancer is healed, nobody ever realizes that he/she had cancer.

Here is what cancer is:
http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/nicholas-gonzalez-md-and-trophoblastic-theory-cancer
http://www.newspringpress.com/troph.html
http://www.westonaprice.org/book-reviews/the-trophoblast-and-the-origins-of-cancer-by-nicholas-gonzalez/

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Actually, it is the furnace that blows hot air.

I am not out to prove anything. I am simply stating 3 of the things of science that prove God exists.

Actually, the sky isn't blue. It simply looks blue at times.

Isn't it about time you come out of the Twilight Zone into reality? However, I don't mind if you stay there.

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Stating things that exist is not proof for God's existence. Get your head out of that bucket and look at the world the way it really is.

What does violence have to do with hate? God ordered the work to be done, and the Israelites simply carried it out. Just because the Israelites worked hard at it doesn't mean they had any hate. Many people work hard at work and enjoy it.

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Stating scientific facts that prove God's existence, is definitely proof of God's existence.

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So it's not the israelites who hate people. It's God.

Dude, be reasonable. You haven't proved anything. Do so and not only I'll agree with you but I'll work along you. Until then try and be real.

That's what I have been trying to tell you. I am not trying to prove anything. Why do you want me to start proving something? It isn't my place.

My place is to show you the proof of science. Science proves God exists. Why do you keep on accusing me of proving or not proving something? I'm just the messenger.

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Ok then - bring out the math, physics, whatever science you want. Let's see it messenger man.

Well, that is what I have been doing over and over again. But just for you I will do it again, just for you. Besides, I need the practice typing.

1. Cause and effect.
2. Complex universe.
3. Universal entropy.

When you combine these three things, you find that God exists. There is no other way.

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So if I put all these three things in a bowl I'll get a special formula to see God? Or? Can I see God? Can I talk to Him? Can we measure Him in any way?

Or ask God to post on all forums all at once..:-)

Sounds like the Westboro Baptist Church...

"I don't hate fags, God hates fags!"

LoooooooooooooooooooL!

It's not because you replaced the words "killing massive amount of people, torturing and burning alive some people for no logical reason" by the word "work" that it's not both sadism and horrible hate.

Who said they do? I just hate bad human beings who may belong to any religion/caste/country/etc. It doesn't matter.


Agree here. Never force one's own opinions on others but I've seen both groups doing the same.

Thanks. The thread title shocked me a bit too. No need to force the choice between love and hate. Most Christians don't give a fuck about Atheists.

When you have such good opinions, that you can convince someone else into believing your opinions, that other person is better off accepting the new opinions for himself.

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Come on. God was doing those nations a favor by having the Israelites kill them. Here's what I mean.

The people of those nations did not believe in God. They were never going to believe in God and be saved from the punishment for their sins.

So, when an Israelite killed a young heathen guy, the heathen was saved from all the sins that he was going to commit. If he died at 20-y-o rather than 50-y-o, that's 30 years of sinning that he would never have to pay for in Hell.

God is giving you opportunity to turn to Him for forgiveness so that you can be saved. But you are so obstinately against Him, that He is probably simply going to allow you to live to a ripe old age, because you wanted more sins to pay for in Hell for all eternity.

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No. It was frustration on the part of God.

First God made people in perfection and goodness. But they threw that away. Then God sent His Son Jesus to suffer and die for the people. But they reject that, as well. There ain't nuthin' more He can do for them. He did the best that can be done, but people would rather die and go to Hell. Frustrating, isn't it?

The only reason why God allows wicked people to live is, there are a few of them that will turn to Him and are saved. When you wake up in Hell, it wasn't God's hate that put you there. It was your own... your hate of God.

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It is you who are causing yourself to be bored, by not letting the things I say sink in.

The biggest pain in your life will be missing out on being with God in joy forever. Even Hell can't outdo that loss.

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why bitcoin has alts? and why bitcoin hate banks? why George Bush was president? why you ask these questions?

So god is a fucking crazy dictator asking everyone to kneel down before him.
And there is a difference in your quantity of sin? I thought that as long as you died without believing in God/Jesus/whatever Chtulu you were to burn in Hell for eternity!

But there is actually a system of rate? Like one year of sin = 15 years in hell?

God built things so that you can receive glory and goodness for kneeling down before Him. How does this work?

God is the best there is. He is great and wonderful beyond understanding. When you recognize this and praise Him, you get to partake of some of the Goodness and Glory that He is. If you don't do it, you actually detract from the glory that He voluntarily gave you out of love for you.

A human soul is designed to last forever. Destruction of it will take forever. This means that whatever level of punishment a person receives in Hell, will last forever.

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You're disagreeing with yourself here.

You said: "So, when an Israelite killed a young heathen guy, the heathen was saved from all the sins that he was going to commit. If he died at 20-y-o rather than 50-y-o, that's 30 years of sinning that he would never have to pay for in Hell."

Then: "A human soul is designed to last forever. Destruction of it will take forever. This means that whatever level of punishment a person receives in Hell, will last forever."

So what's the point of saving them 30 years of sin if it's the same duration of punishment in hell?

It doesn't match with what you said earlier.

How was it good to kill the sinners 30 years before their natural death if they're going to burn in hell for eternity no matter the time they sinned?

It's just barabaric nonsense then, cause they will just suffer from hell earlier!

The point is the intensity. For example. If you were going to be punished in Hell for all eternity, which would you rather have, 1 whip lash a day, or 5?

The intensity of the punishment is based on how much sinning you do. Having 30 years worth of fewer sins to be punished for everyday in Hell, can be a lot less painful each day, and in the long run.

Thank you for suggesting that I am disagreeing with myself. Even though you haven't explained wherein the disagreement lies, it helps me understand that I need to be more direct when talking to you jokers who want to mess up everything that is said.

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Read my previous post for the answer.    :)

You ever get tired of talking to us heathens Bedecker?

Lool!

And there is a chart somewhere? Like a statistical study explaining that being unfaithful to your wife is around 2 pick a day?

I mean that's just such a bizarre way of seeing things xD
And never saw that in the Bible, intensity you say? xD

Good typing practice.    ;D

I don't know what you are talking about in that wife paragraph of yours.

In Luke 12:47,48 Jesus explains punishment levels in simple explanation:
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Nothing to do with what you said.
This paragraph explains that knowing you're not obeying God will grant you big punishment, and doing bad things while not knowing the existence of God will be punished less.
Nothing in common with the idea that the more you sin, the more you get punished!

Actually, you have missed the part that says that the one who doesn't know the law, but does things deserving punishment, will be punished less than the one who intentionally does wrong that he knows he is not supposed to do.

So you can see from Jesus' words that not everyone knows all the law. Thus, there will be levels of punishment in Hell.

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its not true, that christian hates atheists or other religion, i am christian and i dont hate anyone. real Christians cannot hate anyone, our religion teach us only love. 

My Christian friends keep promoting Christianity to me but they never ever hated me. I think it's a bad and wrong assumption to make.

Christians don't hate anybody that religion support love, harmony,friendship and justice for all people so they can not hate.

Yeah let's totally forget about all the horrible things Christians have done and are currently doing.
Or the fact that their fucking book explains precisely how to kill in a horrible way those who dare not following their God of my ass.

Christ never spoke about killing,and hate just about love,peace,creation. Later people spoiled that and made santo officio and incuisition. All people could join and become christians and that is originally no violent religion but people spoiled it

not sure...they are in a belief that all people in the world should follow christainity....wic we cannot accept....bcoz we are atheists

Looool.
No violent religion. Sure.
Based on the Bible no? Ever heard of the Leviticus? You know the part of the bible where people get burned alive for their sins?

Of course it's similar!
Those bigot can't even their own damned book correctly! And they would want us to convert ><

Bahaha... Christian bitogtry is based on the HEBREW BIBLE... same shit, different cult...

P.S. Learn to form a complete sentence man... proof read... use spell check...

All this situation is becoming more and more stupid. Hey christian dudes - do whatever you want. But don't bother other people Don't try to force your ideas upon us. Go, pray stay on your heads, eat crackers and wine, whatever. Just stop bothering people. Let science and people who agree with science to think their own heads. We'll all pay for our sins if it's the case. You want to die for/with God? That's fine! We don't. And that should be also fine. We want science to advance and live forever and play boardgames all day long.

Simply because Atheists do not believe in God or the Holy Trinity. Even tho there can be an atheist and a christian under the same roof, there can be a lot of religious conflict and differences due to their belief.

This really is the crux of the problem. Live and let live seems to be impossible with religions trying to recruit.
If I was a christian I would be keeping it a secret,who wants a over populated heaven!

Christians hate nobody...at least real Christians. This is non violent religion and he will talk with atheist about his point of view but don't hate him for sure

Lol at "real Christians"... Look up the "no true Scotsman (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman)" fallacy

Non-violent? Have you read the bible?!? The bible commands you to murder non-believers (where do you think the Muslims got the idea?)...

Do you have any idea how much murder and genocide the Israelites committed in the bible?  Upwards of 100 cities razed... People were slaughtered by the millions... All by God's command/authority...

What Christians don't understand (and that's really sad) is that the two religions (Islam and Christianity) have a different starting point.

It's difficult to consider this point but that's the most important!
Islam is 1300 years old. Christianity 2000 years old.
Let's them grow and mature. When Christianity was 1300 years old you know what they were doing? They were killing people on their last crusade! At that time Christianity was responsible for dozens of thousands of deaths!!!

Same shit different cult indeed.

No one should be discriminated against their beliefs whether you are a christian, atheist or agnostic,the choice lies within us all who and what we believe.

At the same time, we're not in the 1300's anymore. Things are different. Time are different. We know more and we take pride in being more open minded. Now if Christians are also contemporary, modern people, like us then they should accept this. If not, then they all should move to a remote island and pray and do whatever they want to each other.
We leave you alone, you leave us alone. Stop imposing your ideas upon other people. There are libraries and the internet now. Curious people can inform themselves if they want and choose the right lifestyle without being "helped".

Actually, people are just the same. We can tell, because we have paintings from the 1300s. We can compare what people looked like back then with what they look like now.

Since people are just the same, it stands to reason that many of them are simply changing their religion... just like many people did back in the 1300s. The minor difference is that now days we have the religion of science that people are turning to. The religion of atheism has been around for thousands of years.

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Duuuuuuuuuuuuuude... You're actually saying that because people are physically the same (which is not true) they're all the same?

This amount of stupidity starts bothering me, you sure you don't have a brain cancer or something like that? You checked? :-[

Religion is a mental disorder...

It causes you to think differently than sane people... religious people make poor choices because they abhor logic and reason

Religion makes people do stupid things... like strap a bomb to your chest, or fly a plane into a building...

Religious people should be committed into psychiatric care for their own safety

To be fair, I'm not sure if it's Religion which is the cause of that.

Because Badecker and most other bigots I've seen seem so crazy they would be similarly mad even without religion. They would just claim that earth is flat and not that God is the programmer of evolution that's all xD

There you go, mixing up what I said. Let me explain.

We have heads, arms, legs, torsos, hands and feet. We live in a world of plants and animals, and rocks and seas. Why do you think that people in the 1300s were different? You can see from the paintings and the few books we have from back then, that people were just the same as we are. They had heads, arms, legs, torsos, hands and feet. They live in a world of plants and animals, and rocks and seas.

The amount of deception you have would bother me if we didn't have government already doing it, long time before you were around.

Since people of the 1300s are the same as we are today, we have the same needs as they did. Some of those needs are religion. People have simply done what people often have done for thousands of years... changed their religion. In addition to the standard religions that are formally known as religion, we now have the new religion of modern science, and the ancient religion of atheism has grown in recent years.

Why are you acting like you are more ignorant than you are?

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Everyone shows that they have a mental disorder. How? Everyone is religious in one way or another.

Part of the point of religion is to show which religion is more accurate. Since the proof for the existence of God is expressed in science, atheism is less accurate than theism. Because of this, probably all religions that have a god are more accurate that religions that don't.

Because of atheism, people like Stalin, Hitler, Mao, and many others did stupid things, like killing off millions of citizens in the countries that they ruled. Wouldn't they have had way more benefit from those people if they had simply taxed them?

Bankers are made up of Jews. Jews are getting lots more money off living people than off dead ones. But they are often getting money off the dead as well. The Jews are theists, and have a theistic religion.

The point is the stupidity of atheism.

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Actually, it is the other way around. Since science proves that God exists, the whole religion of atheism is based on ignorance bordering on stupidity.

Blind atheist. Wake up and see the little, bitty corner of your mind that you have locked yourself into, so that you can open up and use the rest of your mind rather than letting it stagnate and die away, taking you along with it.

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Maybe religion is one of your needs but not of mine buddy.

Stop blatering shit, people are incredibly different from the ones that existed 700 years ago!

You prove that you are deep into religion. How do you prove it? By what I write in the following paragraph.

People are not incredibly different than people who existed 700 years ago. I have show that they are the same. You have not shown that they are different even though you say it. Thus, you have faith in something that is not true, but might be if you could come up with some facts. This is the way religion acts.

The difference in modern people over people from the past is, in general we are slightly devolved from what they were, due to entropy.

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Proved? The only thing you proved is that we got the same biological composition... Well what a proof!

Our mind evolved a lot between the two ><

The fact that you think your mind has evolved, shows that it has really devolved. You still haven't shown any differences, while I have shown how people are all alike.

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You want differences?
-We now understand most of physics laws which were not even thought about in the 1300
-The duration of life was doubled
-The average human is 30 cm taller and 30Kgs heavier
-The nutrition (and so what our body is made of) is incredibly different and more varied than in 1300

Don't you think those are differences? And that's just what I could think about in 1 min!

Wrong. The simplest physical laws are still the greatest. For example. One of these is Newton's Law of Gravitation. It is such a strong, evident law, that it took a guy who was into organizing aspects of science to state it. Everyone else understood that gravitation is real, naturally, and they had no reason to state it... probably even thought they would look silly to state something so evident.


Wrong. You can find both, today, nations and tribes who live on average less than 40 years, and groups like the Hunzas that outlive us on average.


Simply more meat and protein in the diet. Nothing to do with evolution changes.


Yet you can find groups of people today, who have a less varied diet than that of popular 1300s people.



You talk like you think that people around the world are all the same. Where in the world do some of you people come up with the junk you talk. I know, I know. It is simply evidence of modern devolution in people. You jokers are getting worse than the Roman Catholic Church of the Middle Ages.

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Yeah so evident that we had to wait for Newton's law to be able to calculate with precision the trajectory of each planet. That he revolutionned completely both optic and astronomy. Evident.
The duration life was doubled in Western world. Precision needed indeed.
Who said it's because of Evolution? You claimed there is no difference, I give you some.
yes and? You want to bring perticular case or we talk about average difference?

So evidence of evolution of people is not evidence that people are different?

Wow, it seems we don't have the same definitions of the word "different"...

You completely misunderstand, intentionally. People are the same as they have always been. How are they the same? They are the same in that they have ALWAYS been different, not only different between now and the 1300s. People were different in the 1300s just like they are different now.

People are the same in the fact that they have always been different. There isn't anybody who is not different. Therefore they are all the same in this.

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AND WE HAVE A WINNEEEEEEEEEEEER!!!!

"people are the same as they have always been different"!!!


Good! Well we don't need to do anything now! Everything is right as it has always been different!!!
What? Statistical average? It doesn't count at all! It's not because on average we won 20 years of duration of life that it counts you know? Statistics mean nothing anyway!

Statistical average is a lie. Almost never does anyone fit the average close to perfectly. Averages exist to be used by governments and big business to control and enslave the people. The propaganda that God doesn't exist is being used for the same thing.

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Yeah but you know him, everytime we get to explain him how he's wrong he denies the last argument. He doesn't counter it, he just denies it. He says "no it doesn't work" and then go on ^^

Bible uses laws to impose the best form of orderly freedom.

Atheism is the religion that imposes slavery.

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Yabut, every time I post the laws behind the things I say, nobody counters the laws. They just say that I am wrong. You do the exact thing that you say I do, but you do it almost in everything that you say. At least I give the reason why I say what I say.

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not just christians , all the religions hate atheists.. i dont understand their mindset..

Look what you just asked. You asked about two different subjects. Do I always have to talk about the same subject? Are you the only one who can talk about more than one subject? How dense are you going to continue to prove that you are?

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Generally Christians don't hate atheists. How can we tell? We can tell by the evangelizing that Christians do among atheists. Christians love atheists, and are trying to see that they get saved.

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We can't even determine if the Big Bang is real. And you are trying to determine the cause of it?

At least science proves the existence of God, so we know He is real.

If the Big Bang happened to be real in some strange way, it would have to be God to produce the complexity that we see around us, using cause and effect that directs everything, especially in the face of the all-pervading entropy.

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Because there is no evidence in any of the complexity in the universe, that it comes from something less complex, we know that complexity must come from something at least as complex.

Since there is no complexity in the universe that we see coming from something equally complex, what is left?

Since we know that there is no real random because everything comes about by cause and effect, what is left?

The only thing that is left is that complexity comes from something more complex.

Science bears this out. Two people of opposite sex are more complex than one person. Why? The one person has only one sex. Even if the person is Bi, the two are still more complex than the one. Only less complexity comes from greater complexity.

Or take a car for example. The car is complex. But the people who made it are way more complex.

There are so extremely many of examples of less complexity coming from greater complexity, and no examples of greater complexity coming from lesser complexity, that this is a law of the universe... at least until someone proves it wrong. They need to start by finding even one example.

The complexity of the universe, and of the brain and mind of man, was made by greater complexity. And since man, complex as he is, barely knows how to extend life a little, the complexity that made life must be way beyond the complexity of man and the universe.

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This is a horrible argument...

If nothing can come from something less complex, means that God must have created the universe... who created God?!?  You just said you need something more complex to create complexity... You can't use this to justify God's existence without using it to exclude the possibility of God...

This is known as the Infinite Regress (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_regress) fallacy




You should really stop saying that since nobody on the planet agrees with this statement... not even other Christians

If you state something as fact, and nobody agrees with your evidence or conclusion... You are wrong. Period. Full Stop.

We don't know enough about God to suggest that He needed creating - I'm talking from a scientific viewpoint. However, the standard suggestion would be that He doesn't need creating. Here's how it works.

If you build a garage, you might be inside the garage part of the time that you are building it. Yet, you are never part of the garage (except if you accidentally nail your hand to a stud with the nail gun). Neither is God part of the universe He created.

Even if God is within the universe, He is never part of it. Why should He have to follow the laws of the universe? If He followed universe laws, he might become part of the universe a little. But such wouldn't necessitate that He exist completely according the laws of the universe.

While from a scientific standpoint, we might speculate that God might need a cause or reator, we have a long way to go to see if He does or not.

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Are you a robot?  Are you Marco Rubiobot 3000?

Nevermind... silly question... a robot would understand logic...

We just explained why you were wrong and you answer "statistics means nothing".

I can't really say we go much further, if statistics are useless it'll be hard to conclude anything on whole humanity...

Bible has been rewritten to many times to suit the current power to hold weight in todays world. A lot of the things that are claimed to happen are mostly just mushrooms taking effect. Bring back mushrooms in churches and I will come join.

Robots only seem to understand the things that are programmed into them. Why are you trying to imitate a robot all the time?

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I understand your frustration. You don't want God to exist for some reason, so you act like you explained something, which you didn't.

Explain what is wrong with the laws or the combining of them.

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Wow, you noticed the shroom thing in the bible too? I thought I was the only one...

Manna = shrooms


According to the bible, manna sprouts up overnight (just like shrooms)... mana resembles a small loaf of bread (like shrooms)

"And when the dew fell upon the camp in the night, the manna fell upon it" (Numbers 11:9)

"And when the dew that lay was gone up, behold, upon the face of the wilderness there lay a small round thing, as small as the hoar frost on the ground" (Exodus 16:14)

"...and when the sun waxed hot it melted" (Exodus 16:21)

"And the house of Israel called the name there of manna: and it was like coriander seed" (Exodus 16:31)

The biggest evidence for manna = shrooms, is the effect it has... eat shrooms, see a burning bush and talk to God...

Which laws? You were just talking about how humans don't change and are the same since 1300 and even before...

These are not necessarily yes or no questions.

We are considered mammalian by many.

Nobody has scientific proof that we have common ancestry with chimpanzees.

Life changes in some ways. The definition of evolve or evolution has only been assumed so far, but has not been given.

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No proof? LOL!  The Wikipedia article is 25+ pages long, citing 192 different sources... not much proof there...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_common_descent (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_common_descent)


Topics include:
A) Genetics
1) Universal biochemical organisation and molecular variance patterns
2) DNA sequencing
3) Endogenous retroviruses
4) Proteins
5) Pseudogenes
6) Other mechanisms

a) Specific examples
1) Chromosome 2 in humans
2) Cytochrome c and b
3) Recent African origin of modern humans

B) Evidence from comparative anatomy
1) Atavisms
2) Evolutionary developmental biology and embryonic development
3) Homologous structures and divergent (adaptive) evolution
4) Nested hierarchies and classification
5) Vestigial structures

C) Evidence from paleontology
...

D) Evidence from geographic distribution
...

E) Evidence from selection
...

F) Evidence from speciation
...

G) Evidence from computation and mathematical iteration
...

Is that not enough for you?

Read my lips. Theory of evolution. Not fact of evolution. Anybody can edit Wikipedia to say whatever he wants.   

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You seem to be stuck on the misunderstanding of the word theory... theory does not mean hypothesis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory)

You will find that anybody who suggests that animals change via an evolution that is part of the process of going from the inanimate to the animate, is doing so by guesswork. There is no evolution process of this kind that has anywhere near all the holes filled, to show a clear, possible process.

Since God has been proven to exist, and since everything exists through cause and effect, whatever evolution exists has come about through pre-programming.

But I want to thank you for constantly bringing the same things up. It helps me get the answers in plce so that I can answer you easier each time.

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Then again, http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/theory?s=t says:
All the definitions, even the ones you posted, have at least a factor of uncertainty in them.

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I showed you the 3 parts. I even showed that Newton proved one of the parts. If you really want to know, do the research.

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Well, like it or not, I DO understand science. That's why you are focusing on me. Because it is you who don't understand science enough to even attempt to prove that God doesn't exist, or that my proofs of the existence of God are wrong.

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There is no uncertainty. There are 2 different common uses of the word theory...

1) A colloquial idiom meaning a guess, hypothesis

Or

2) A coherent group of tested general propositions, commonly regarded as correct, that can be used as principles of explanation and prediction for a class of phenomena:
Einstein's theory of relativity.
Synonyms: principle, law, doctrine.


You are trying to imply "The Theory of Gravity" is just a guess... Which makes you look like a moron

Now why are you suggesting that I am implying anything? I gave you the dictionary defs, above.

Sounds more and more like you are acting the part of a troll. However, you are a bit humorous. Besides, good typing practice for me.

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And of course that he's going to start with definitions in order to avoid acknowledging that he has no proof.

BADecker is an idiot gotten confuse between Scientific irrevelancy for no reason and absurd faith for no reason...

You mean apart from genetics and physical caracteristics?

Well what do you want as proofs. We've got all the evidence you need you just have to ask!

Maybe if they'll print it in the Bible. That would make him believe it. It would be the ultimate proof for him.

Problem is that they cannot reconcile the Bible with the Bible. There are so many contradictions in there I don't even know where to start.

You can start here ;D
http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html

Yeah, it was rhetorical. But I'm sure our religious friends will ignore the link whatsoever. Because it might just prove them wrong.

The evidence can be interpreted in other ways. Because of this, it is not really evidence.

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LOL!

Ok how do you interprete the fact that we got all those similarities with Chimpanze?

The worst part is probably after the end of Eden when they all fuck with each other in an infamous incest story cause you know Eve is the only woman and she gives birth to boys only sooooooooo...

Virtually all life is in the range of 97% or less.

Just because cars have wheels, and most cars have 4 wheels, and even motorcycles and bicycles have 2 wheels, doesn't mean that they all evolved from the same inorganic round rock.

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When you look at the fossil record, there are even more, that are extinct today. Yet none of them is a crossover. Each of them are distinct in their DNA, with no DNA showing both of them. In fact, when you try adding DNA from one group to another, the added DNA is gradually "weeded out" of their system in their descendents. This is another great evidence for the fact that God made all the various kinds of plants and animals to be their own distinct species.

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AHAAHHAHAHHAAH I just love this guy's posts. :D He's eathera master troll or a complete idiot, anyways I just love his posts that are that stupid, they are actually funny. Also, whenever someone puts " :) " a tthe end of the stupid argument, I'd burn them on the city square.

"Since God has been scientifically proven to exist, atheism is the fairytale."

"God has been scientifically proven to exist"

"has been scientifically proven"

"scientifically proven" 

lol wat? where's the proof? :D

"We are considered mammalian by many."

"Nobody has scientific proof that we have common ancestry with chimpanzees."

Have you payed any attention at your biology class? did you even bother to go to school? No one can be this dense, this stupid and blind. Maybe if you're in some cult and brainwashed, but if that's not the case.... then boy, you have some problems.

We carry between 3-6% of Neanderthal DNA.  Case closed.

If you really interested in learning about human history,  I strongly recommend this book:

http://www.amazon.com/Sapiens-Humankind-Yuval-Noah-Harari/dp/0062316095/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8 (http://www.amazon.com/Sapiens-Humankind-Yuval-Noah-Harari/dp/0062316095/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8)

Well, this isn't entirely correct. First of all, all life on earth has about 97% of the same DNA just to be alive. Perhaps we have 3-6% of the remainder that we match Neanderthals in. But probably it is only 3-6% of the remainder that we are different in. In other words, we are virtually very like neanderthals.

Some people suggest that neanderthals are simply very aged humans. Since our understanding of the age of the earth is really only theoretical, we don't really know when neanderthals walked the earth. Since evolution flow is entirely theoretical, there is really no clarity that we had a common ancestry with either neanderthals or chimpanzees. More than likely neanderthals were a form of early human before some of the genetics died out of people.

See http://www.jackcuozzo.com/.

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Again, the proof is found in combining these 3 scientific laws:
1. Cause and effect;
2. Complex universe;
3. Universal entropy.

I have explained these in reasonable detail in this and other threads. If you would like to peruse my posts, go here - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=149737;sa=showPosts.

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The things of science that talk about evolution are scientific theory. Cause and effect is basic scientific law. Scientific law trumps scientific theory. Cause and effect show that evolution is simply pre-programmed changes... pre-programmed to happen, by God, Who has been proven by science to exist.

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Wtf are you even talking about?

That's totally wrong! DNA is deeply shared between species! We even have 45% of DNA of common with a banana ><

You have missed some of what we have been saying cross-thread. Sameness in DNA is more like 97%. But the parts that distinctly determine a species, never cross over to another species.

However, this talk about DNA is going away from much of what we were originally talking about... that it is frustration with atheist stupidity that Christians mostly have. It only looks like hate.

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Yeah frustration of atheist even if YOU'RE the one talking about it in the first place...

And that's dumb of saying that what is nto common... Is not common....

That's obvious! The parts of DNA that are unique of one specie are... Unique for one specie!

Here is your logical fallacy: https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-nature

Hey, thanks man. I am not going to look up your site, because I don't really want to get into an argument about DNA and such.

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This website is not about DNA but about all the logical falacies that your explanations contain... You should look it up...

You are wrong about evolution. The fact of universal cause and effect shows that everything is pre-programmed by Something. This changes how you and science generally understand evolution entirely.

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The thing that I am right about is that science proves that God exists, through cause and effect, combined with a complex universe, combined with universal entropy.

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It would be true, if you wouldn't be completely wrong about entropy cause you absolutely don't understand what is entropy, and if you were not wrong with cause and consequences too!

And what is the cause of God then? Go to the end of your reasonning!

Oh so carbon datation is also theoritical now?

Funny how everything proving you wrong becomes a theory and is not proven while the entire scientific community considers it proven ^^

Carbon dating is a fact. The results from using it are inconclusive. You can see this by how many times it is wrong... way off by miles and thousands of years in some cases.

If you want to believe as truth, something that has been proven incorrect time after time, you have yourself a neat little religion going there, and your faith in it is almost as strong as your ignorance about it.

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When you build a garage, you aren't in the blueprint of the thing.

God built the universe. He isn't in the blueprint.

Cause and effect are not something that control Him. They are simply used by Him. He is outside of them.

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Okay. You don't like the fact that entropy is the gradual dispersing and diffusing of the complexity in the universe, into simplicity. I can understand that you don't like it.

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Too funny... I accused BADecker of pulling assertions, "straight out of his ass", within 2 minutes of your post (in another thread)

I explained it already. You ignored it. Why should I explain it again?

However, it isn't that important. Why not? Because nobody has the answer to where the Big Bang came from. Lots of ideas, maybe. Nothing except speculation. However, that's all that could exist regarding where the Big Bang came from. Because the Big Bang is simply some silly speculation in its entirety.

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As an atheist from a christian school, i think it's because the perspective do not jive and both parties are sometimes judgmental to each. And if i ask christians they always answer it with blank reasons.

Yes, it is kinda sad that the churches didn't explain the answers clearly. But would the atheists have accepted the answers if the Christians had them?

Now days you can Google search for Christian points on lots of scientific questions. One of the easiest places to go to see that atheism is wrong, scientifically, is to watch the Illustra videos at https://www.youtube.com/user/IllustraMedia.

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Or you could watch videos from people who actually understand what they are talking about...

For example, AronRa (Texas state director for American Atheists) (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAJfDidJyukTekgSRZrjadw) posted this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EqvPi24dcU) just 9 hours ago... detailing exactly how Christians twist the words of Charles Darwin to suit their own agenda:
Correcting Darwin's Critics (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EqvPi24dcU)

He also has a continuing series on Foundational Falsehoods of Creationism (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL126AFB53A6F002CC)

Another fun series of his, Refuting the Irrefutable Proof of God (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isV9hWXpNjc), utterly annihilates the best 'proof of God' that Christians can think up...

If that ain't enough, he also does science education videos, like Intro to Photosynthesis (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hp3xzezZ1Wk) and Organelles and Homeostasis (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcfuZ1rmOus)

Hey, man. The scientific laws of cause and effect, complex universe, and universal entropy aren't twisted by believers in God. They are twisted by the atheists.

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If you bothered to watch the video you are responding to, you would see exactly what I am referring to... this is proven fact, not speculation like everything you post

Universal cause and effect throws Darwin right out the window. Why? Cause and effect allows no random. No random completely destroys Darwin, because the only way things can happen Darwin's way, is if there is randomness.

The only reason probability exists is to fill the gaps of human weakness. People can't measure everything. So, to help them with their measurements, they have developed a thing called probability. In reality, probability does not exist.

Everything that exists, exists precisely according to whatever causal laws and actions made them exist. This is standard science. The probability of quantum, and Darwinism, shows that both of them belong to a virtual world.

Both exist. They exist virtually, not in reality.

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EDIT: Btw, your video is simply some joker talking about some things he seems to believe. No proof is offered for or against Darwinism.

You clearly did not watch the video... please stop pretending you did... I believe the bible says you are not supposed to lie, correct?

I never said it offered proof for or against Darwinism... I said he details exactly how Christians twist the words of Darwin to imply something that Darwin did not intend

Specifically, Christians will quote:

But they always neglect to put the quote in context...

I expect that everybody twists something sometime. What does that have to do with anything that we were discussing?

Proof for the existence of God is found in the 3 scientific laws:
1. cause and effect;
2. complex universe;
3. universal entropy.

If you can't figure out how it works, look at some of my previous posts where I explain it.

To recap, the existence of God is scientific law.

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No matter how many times you state this nonsense, it will never make it true

If you actually want to convince someone that you are correct, you must elaborate with supporting evidence, sources, examples, etc... otherwise you are simply a troll repeating bullshit that you pulled out of your ass

I don't particularly care that you are convinced of anything. It's a whole lot easier for me to not spend time explaining things. I did it for your benefit and for the benefit of others who read it.

Thanks for letting me know that you don't like the truth, at least in some ways.

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It's not because you post it again and again that it's true...

Not sure the quote is true, but it suits well the moment.

He did repost those things for the n'teenth time. It must be true. I mean, he wouldn't repeat himself if it wasn't, would he?

naaaaaaaaaaah how could he?

The worst is that even the statements in themselves are not really true...

I don't think you should talk like that bud. He might just talk to the right person and get you smitten by lightning or something.

You know it's something that should exactly prove the existence of God.

I claim here and now: if God exists then he shall do something exceptionnal enough to make me have faith in him!

So? Did you get that 1 bitcoin that you've secretly asked for?

atheism is not a religious system..  it is even apart from any religious stuff.. dont give atheism a bad name..

This is completely the reason why to stop attempting to examine all the possibilities, and accept the truth that God exists. Once you accept the truth of the existence of God, you can move on to healing yourself through the various things that God provides... especially healing your mortality through the Jesus salvation provided by God.

Of course, the reason why people don't want to heal their morTality, is that it would include healing much of their morality. And people want death rather than to stop being immoral.

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Newsflash: Atheists are more moral than Christians

If you need examples, look up Norway, Sweden, etc... Do your own research since you won't take my word for it

Atheists do not need a God to command them not to kill, steal, etc... We understand the reason why these crimes are detrimental to society without God dictating such
Many Christians willingly admit... if they knew for sure God didn't exist... nothing would stop them from becoming a murdering rapist!

Take a look at prison statistics... how many Atheists are in prison vs Christians?

How many Atheists shoot up a Muslim mosque, abortion clinic or planned parenthood?

How many Atheists are in the KKK lynching niggers?

How many Atheists are in the WBC protesting soldier funerals, calling them fags?

How many Atheists have told you that God will torture you in hell for eternity because you didn't believe their fairy tale?

From http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/religion?s=t:

1.	-	a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe	-	especially in stronger atheists, even though each atheist might have his/her own basic set
1.	-	involving devotional and ritual observances	-	like staying away from the beliefs of other religions
1.	-	often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs	-	atheists live by moral codes
2.	-	a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects	-	many atheists adhere to things like Big Bang Theory and Black Hole Theory, which has been proven to be self-contradictory - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhYsOQTfYEc - and they stick together in their beliefs
3.	-	the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices	-	many atheists stick together in their proclamation of theories, often theories that have been proven to be incorrect
5.	-	the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith	-	since many scientific theories that atheists adhere to as fact have never been proven, yet atheists and atheist groups ritually brainwash themselves into maintaining their belief in them as truth; these are religious beliefs that atheists hold to by faith, just like any other religion
6.	-	something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience	-	weak atheists might not have this, just like weak believers of other religions; strong atheists have this, just like strong believers of other religions
8.	-	Archaic. strict faithfulness; devotion	-	many atheists hold to their ideas even when they have been proven wrong... not daring to even examine the proof lest their faith be weakened or even fail

By examining the above, it can be easily seen that atheism is a religion. Just like many other religions, atheism doesn't follow all the parts of the definition. But it follows a majority of them... just like many other religions. However, if atheism happens to NOT be a religion, it is so extremely close to a religion that many of its adherents and proponents are religiously atheistic people anyway.


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We are mortal.  Nothing to heal there.  It is a fact. People who die never come back.  We don't have a mechanism to revive dead cells, yet.
AI might offer immortality, once we completely understand how our brain works and can be transplanted to another host.

I hope you are not getting your morality from the Bible.  

Don't romanticize about bronze age.  Those there brutal, cruel times in human history.  You would be afraid, cold and hungry most of your life.
You would not want to live in those times, with Bible or without.

BTW, we are Gods to all the people who lived in the times of Jesus.  If you showed up with your smartphone, car or helicopter in the times when the bible was written, you'll be worshiped or killed.

 

One of the first things that scientists and researchers who are looking for anti-aging methods think about is, that someday we may not be mortal any longer.

We don't have enough information scientifically speaking, to know whether or not we had immortality at some time in the past, but then threw it away.

Religiously speaking we know about this, however.

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Fact: Atheists do not have any specific beliefs or dogma

Not all Atheists believe in evolution or the big bang... It is not required to be an Atheist...

The only requirement to be an Atheist is the lack of belief in any specific god...

If you do not believe the bible provides enough evidence that the Christian God exists, you are an Atheist with respect to Christianity

If you feel the Koran does not provide solid evidence for Allah, then you are an Atheist with respect to Islam/Allah

But, none of this requires anyone to believe in evolution or the big bang... Atheist tend to believe these theories because they are supported by massive amounts of credible evidence, confirmation via multiple branches of study (archeology, genetics, physics, etc), decades of experimentation and peer review, etc

Simplifying things a bit, and going to the definition: the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.

Now if you want to call it a religion, fine. Still it means what is means. Whether you call it a religion or not.

Moloch, you beat me to it.

Not that it matters... BADecker knows he is lying... He thinks if he can get another fool to believe his lies, that he is doing Gods work... (which is the reason I started clipping his nonsense out of replies I make)

I owe you a beer sir!  :D

This is quite evident from the mush that they spout.


But many atheists DO believe in these things. So, what?


Since there is lots of evidence that can be interpreted in ways that show that there at least might be a God...

And since I have shown the scientific proof that God exists...

And since no atheist knows for a fact that God does not exist...

The atheist is setting himself up as god just by attempting to believe that God does not exist. Thus, atheism is self-contradictory, and therefor a lie.


The bible is eye-witness reports about things that could only exist if God exists.


The Koran is great evidence for allah. It proves itself a liar by being such evidence.



Until you look at contradictory evidence. Then evolution and big bang crash out of even being theory.

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As I have said before (above) the fact that atheists do not know that God doesn't exist, yet try to believe that God doesn't exist, shows that they are setting themselves up as gods. So, atheism is self-contradictory and a lie.

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Go talk to James Randi and claim your $1,000,000 if you think you can


Be careful with Randi though, he's smart:
James Randi Debunks Peter Popoff Faith Healer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7BQKu0YP8Y)

Hey, thanks for the advice and encouragement.    8)

I just want to see the video he makes for the lols

Dude if you get the one million I swear to God I'll give you another one! You can quote me for future reference xD

I don't think he knows he's lying. i think he can't really understand this ^^

I will also give you a million, and I think every other user that contradicted you here.

So, (BADecker) as to continue with the idea, I'd like to personally inform you that theoretically you're a millionaire. On the practical side - not so much. I think you got the general idea.

I hate to break this to you, but Atheists do have a belief.... They believe there is no god and there is no almost atheist. You are or you are not and anyone who feels they don't believe something that is in the Koran or in the bible (this includes the "evidence," as you put it, which isn't the entire reason people read the bible or the Koran) does not mean that they do not believe in God. It would really be the interpretation of what they read and would be the main reason for the numerous amounts of religion and factions of religion.

Now I am under the impression that many Atheists are misguided and are really just Non-Theists, which is what I would claim to be. A Non-Theist of course would define themselves as someone who doesn't understand why people even care about the belief and even disbelief in god and also someone doesn't care about proof or no proof.



This is probably your greatest post. It is full of good points, I suppose, but you negate to notice key events in history.

The Nazi agenda was not fueled by religion, it was quite the opposite and would see the decimation of millions; over ten million to be exact.

Stalin's Soviet Russia is another that had a great impact who would see millions also killed under his rule. This again, was practically Atheist. Karl Marx would write that religion was the opiate for the masses.

So if you want to make a tally, at least ensure that you are not forgetting the tens of millions dead due to anti-religious agendas.

Hitler killed in the name of Nazism not Atheism or Christianity.
Stalin killed in the name of Communism not Atheism.

From what I remember communists were really not that religious. But again, I'm not exactly sure about that.

That is simply not true...

If you tell me that the Christian God exists, and I do not believe you... that does not mean I believe no gods exist

Atheism is not a belief that no gods exist... Atheism is the lack of belief in a god


False, and irrelevant... you can't blame Hitler on Atheism, though there is a case to be made that Hitler was a Christian...

Have you read Mein Kampf?  Hitler often refers to his Christian religious beliefs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler)

You are thinking about Agnosticism - Gnosis is greek for knowledge and A+gnosis would be "No Knowledge" or simply put, "I do not know." This person is awaiting further evidence to allow them to properly decide to believe in god or even disbelieve. x or not x.

Atheism - Believes there is no god -- Regardless of proof or no proof.


and because I don't want to quote everyone.

Hitler was Catholic when he was younger. Hitler pushed for the elimination of Christianity. EDIT: Hitler wrote Mein Kampf when he was younger and by the end of the war, his views changed dramatically, I also didnt make the claim that it was purely based on Atheism. You are jumping the gun on argument.

Stalin's Soviet state was very much committed to the destruction of religion and even went about removing anything related to related to religion: churches, mosques, and temples. The schools also pushed the idea of Atheism and even promoted it as what society should follow. 12-20 million Christians killed as a result.

Trust me, I know exactly what I am talking about (why do Christians always think they know more about Atheism than an Atheist?)

Christians try to twist the definition of every word, this is nothing new... feel free to speak with BADecker about how little I give a fuck about what your personal definition of a word is...

You are correct about Agnosticism, Gnosis = knowledge, etc...  You can be an Agnostic Atheist, or an Agnostic Christian... the terms are not mutually exclusive (and any honest Christian is Agnostic... any Christian who claims to know for certain that God exists is either a liar or a fool)

Atheism falls into multiple categories...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism)

The most basic of which is a lack of belief in a deity... also referred to as negative Atheism, weak Atheism, or soft Atheism...

You are conflating soft/weak/negative Atheism with hard/strong/positive Atheism... but both categories are Atheists, I assure you
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_and_positive_atheism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_and_positive_atheism)