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There's been a question that's been bugging me for a long, long time now. What happens when you die? From someones side nothing, other say that your go to their versions of heaven and yet some say that we reincarnate.

That thing got me so bad that a few time's I've been on the verge of killing myself just to see what's happening then, it's killing me to think about it. What are your thoughts? I'm not interested in the christian or virgin filled muslim heaven, I'm interested in your ideas and what are your ideas on what might happen? One theory that stuck with me is that we are born again but in the different time or just born in the same timeline but as soon as you die, you're reborn on some other place.



EDIT: This question refers more the philosophical view on the period after ones death, so please keep the hc religious beliefs or non-religious away from this thread, tho there are already a few. Thank you.

Toss a stone into the pond. The ripples aren't the stone. But like they move upon the face of the pond, even so their vibration might extend forever even if it is in only a tiny, tiny way.

The "essence" of a person is NOT his physical form alone. Emotion, spirit and thought extend beyond the physical. But even they are not the person, entirely. However, we know from people who have lost many parts of their physical body, that although the emotion, and spirit and mind may change from the loss, the emotion, and spirit and mind are still strongly the person... way more strongly than simply the physical.

It seems that the "metaphysical" parts of a person go on just like the vibes of the stone that is tossed into the water. And being way more complex than the stone waves, who knows what will happen to them? Certainly they are not the same as they were when they were held captive in the physical body.

You wanted an answer that didn't have a lot to do with God, directly, so there you have it. However, nobody can remove God from the equation, since He holds everything in place. So, consider what He says before you do something as disastrous as suicide.

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Nicely written piece of prose there, I found it relaxing and pleasant to read even though I don't agree with it.

The problem with your theory is that the majority of a human being's "essence" or consciousness resides in the brain (perhaps some in the spinal cord, or other organs but the brain is where the real shit happens). If someone, for example, lost a limb in a car crash, their essence or consciousness hasn't been directly affected as long as their brain remains intact. If you start lobotomizing people, then their consciousness will become affected.

As for your analogy of "ripples in water", well it's a cute concept but it makes no sense in terms of consciousness. Our influences on the world certainly affect things in an outward, ripply, butterfly effect type of way, but we are not "experiencing" any of those influences in the same way we experience emotions or pain through our conscious brain. So it is a different thing entirely.

If I throw a huge rock into the sea, which creates a tsunami 1000 miles away that kills and injures thousands of people, I am not conscious of their suffering. Yeah I would feel terrible if I heard it on the news the next day, but I'm not intrinsically linked to the people I killed by some sort of metaphysical waves.

On topic, when you die you rot in the ground. The atoms and molecules that make up your body (which were created billions of years ago in multiple interstellar supernovae) are broken down by insects, bacteria, fungi and other strange creatures. The resulting chemicals are consumed by organisms, which prosper and grow, eventually making offspring of their own. These organisms will eventually die, rot, and the chemicals in their dead bodies will provide food for the next generation of plants and animals.

I think it's a beautiful concept personally.

Of course I don't know this for sure, but from what we know it seems like the most likely explanation. We will only know for sure when the time comes, but until then I'm gonna try and make the most of life on this (sometimes shitty) planet.

However, consider body heat. Body heat is energy that moves beyond the body. If you think that the vibrational energy of thought and emotion and spirit remain only in the body, you are missing a lot of science.


Never heard of EEG machines or CAT scans? Both of these show that you are speaking from a very ignorant premise.


However, you do not know that you are NOT subconsciously aware of these things. The subconscious mind protects the conscious mind, so it would not allow your conscious mind to feel these vibes, which would be minor, and confused as they reached you.

In addition, consider when you move to a new city. It takes a long time for people to get used to you being there. A lot of it includes sympathetic and empathetic vibes.

You are trying to cover up the knowledge that exists medically and physically all over the place, that our vibes continue on after death, even though they are in a changed form, and even though they are weaker (are they weaker?) than they might have been in the living body.


Now you are simply talking silly. Dead people are not people. They are dead people. There is a difference. That isn't you rotting in the ground. It is your remains. You don't even sound credible.



Finally. You don't know for sure. Understatement of everything you had to say.

Live on, in your sometimes shitty life. But learn to think a little.

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To me, death is something like before the born, since you're a person who talking here you might born in 20th century, so just think how do you feel when the time roll back to 19th century? you feel nothing. And how about the 2 million years ago? So my thought is there will be nothing after death, you will feel nothing even million years passes by.

The only thing is nothing. It’s terrible to me because I won't be able to see and feel this beautiful world/universe anymore after death but I can't still understand how does this "nothing" feel like, completely. :-\

In my own ideas i don't really believe in reborn or reincarnated because if you do you have the slightest chance to have your past memories because the souls is connected to the brain if your soul is past down by someone you have the same attitude in the past even though you are not interested in christian etc. but i have a theory that when we die we might go to heaven and we don't really know whats in there or whats the nature there but believe me when we die we go to heaven i know its hard to believe it but its real alright when our time comes our answers will be answered my friend but then you have to believe in God in order to solve that big question mark in your head :) its possible really :) just a simple thing you will add up just believe :)

No such thing as reincarnation. Man lives only once. After the death of the dark. The tale of the resurrection seeks to parasitize on the basic human instinct, fear of death. How many terrorists kill people in order to get into a nonexistent heaven!

I think that when human die his consciousness is calm down and there is no such concept as "personality" or "I am"..

Yes, death means end of consciousness as we know and experience it now...it means the end of the physical life or just the opposite of life...death means absence of life. As to different religious explanations and beliefs, they all are contradicting each other and until now there is no judge as to who is telling the truth. In my personal religious belief, death means death until there is a higher power that has the right to resurrect the dead ones.

In many cases, it is us humans who are just confusing things and putting so many colors to many simple concepts...we are using our imaginations to come up with wild explanations.

For my opinion we just have fear that our lives will end and it's not in our power to finish or continue. And people invent different conceptions to "continue their lives" for more psychological comfort

That's a mystery till now. But many of the theories have revealed that soul will be transfer to another body when human died but in my view if the soul of human be transfer to another then the soul of every living beings in world should be transfer like a cycle. Is that be possible? No, then what happen exactly to soul of human body? Will it travel to heaven or hell as what they have done in their life (good work or bad work)?

You have to understand that you are not only flesh but also soul, spirit.
Your body eventually pass and die, but your spirit is eternal.
If you kill yourself, you harm your spirit and can't find peace in the other world.
Please don't even think about it.
You will not be born again on the earth, it's misunderstanding.
You can come back as spirit, and connect with the people on the earth, but it's not the same as be born again.
If you did bad things when you lived on the earth, you will have to help your descendants on the earth not to repeat the same mistakes.
In this way, you will resurrect and get rid from everything evil, what block you to go to the Heaven and to be free.
Because of it, our life on earth is so precious and can't be repeated.

If you could remember anything before you was born, then after death might mean something.
But as we do not, there would be nothing after.
When death comes it is forever imo, you become a very small part of the whole universe mainly dust.

I started to reply to your points, but then I realized not a single one made sense, or even had anything to do with what I said. So I gave up. We'll never agree anyway because you believe in a soul and a god 100%, and I don't, and I know that your stubborness prevents anyone from changing your views.

I will say your comment accusing me of ignorance made no sense - I know how EEG and CAT scans work, and they have nothing to do with life after death. CAT scans are especially irrelevant because they are basically X-rays - they output radiation and record what is reflected back. You could do a CAT scan on a teapot and it would still appear on the screen - does that mean the teapot has a soul?

EEGs are different, because they are measuring the electrical activity in the brain. And yes, some of this energy will certainly reach outside the brain. But that absolutely doesn't mean that we can use this energy in any useful way, and it certainly isn't evidence for a soul.

Your final paragraph just sums up your attitude - yes of course I don't know for sure, but NOR DO YOU! And you believe in some real crazy shit man!

The worst thing is, you think you're above everyone else with your "scientific proofs of god"  etc, when you're actually just very indoctrinated, arrogant, and unwilling to change your mind about literally everything you believe. Open your mind a little, you might learn something!

Well I have been dead for a couple of minutes. Luckily I was on an operating table and they were able to revive me.

I saw nothing.

My personal thoughts on the premise are that there will be nothing after death - your consciousness will dim and end - and that that is all.

Thoughts of having a soul or reincarnation are simply ideas for self-comfort, to ease the idea of death. Why worry about so many things in this life when you can simply have everlasting luxuries in the next? Regardless of religious preference, it should be agreed that in the past, religion was used as a form of control for the masses.

In times of struggle, is it not easier to hold on to hope if you had something to strive for? Why wouldn't you give up in times of great pain, like in a war, unless you had something to look forward to were you to continue? The human body and mind persevere in these points of time.

I have the idea that there is but emptiness after death however it is fine for others to believe differently.

Maybe you're not interested, but the explanation is in the religion of Islam on after death is really reasonable and acceptable. After death, the man will be gathered in one place. For those who do well when alive, the place will feel cool and comfortable, but it was not yet in heaven. And for people who are always doing evil and ugliness did when alive, where it will feel hot and uncomfortable, but it was not hell. Then our behavior over the world will be weighed, if heavier toward goodness, then we will be incorporated into heaven, and it was forever. And if more weight toward evil, we will go to hell, and it's forever.

Like before you were born, that's the answer I get most of the times. But how was it before you were born? :P what happened before that? before you've became a fetus, before even you were conceived? That's the question that's been bothering me. I really want to know that but I guess that's one question that we will never have the answer to or not untill we pass away ourselves.

Nice metaphore truly, but the only reason I asked for opinions was because we all know the of the afterlife of most religions. I wanted a new perspective,  your personal like if you ignore your religious believes for a moment, what could happen to us or our souls after w pass away. unconscious  eternal darkness is something that doesn't satisfy me as the possible answer.

Well there were cases of kids remembering their "past lives" in detail. So that's kind of something to look into. There are a few cases on youtube about that.

How can it be forever if you're not aware of it? Time disapears there and it's completely irrelevant. I can't grasp that concept of eternal nothing.

ok, that's some thought. But how do you go to heaven/hell then? In what state? Like do you keep your appearence of what was it in the moment of your  death or some significant moment of your life? If the first case is the right one, how do blown up or beheaded or in any other way mutilated victims go to heaven/hell? Or is it like a soul on itself but we see us as we want, what we see ourselves as through I life?

I'm not a religious person myself, but I'm really interested in the religion and it's beliefs that it preaches.

But how can you know? That's the thing that's bothering me. There a lot of opinions, religious teachings about the afterlife but what's killing me is the fact that we'll never know. There may be nothing and there may some other dimension that we go to after we're separated from our physical body. Just like dreams, maybe, maybe, when we dream we enter that place where we go when we die where the whole world is based on our mind and we actually create the whole world we want it to be. I don't know and it's bugging me.

Oh dear, Tyrantt. Why did you jump to the conclusion ::)? What you said is what happens after the last/dooms/judgment day (that good people go to Heaven and bad ones be punished in Hell). So, until that day comes, dead people are still waiting for it.

Actually, Islam tells what happens after one's death; When someone is dying (either Muslim or Non-Muslim), his/her eyes always follow his/her soul after it's pulled out of his/her body (that's probably why most people stare after death). After that, the soul rise in the sky. While on the way to the last sky, the soul meets its ancestors who will ask it about what he/she did in life (whether he/she was good or bad), they will keep asking, even about the pet lived in that soul's house. If that soul was good, they would be proud of it, otherwise, they would be ashamed of him/her.

Then, when the body of the soul is buried/burnt/mummified/whatever, the soul will reside where the body/remnants is/are.
One will hear, see and speak as he did in life, but no one can hear/feel him/her. If one was good, he/she would see light. If one was bad, he/she would see darkness. He/She can also hear people around him/her (the living), he/she would say to his/her family and friends; O' family and friends, where did you put me? Why did you leave me here? Where are you going? (of course, no one can hear him/her)

Of course, there are some contexts that you wouldn't like (Muslim things, you know), so I won't write them. In brief, Until the day of resurrection, people's bodies and souls will be waiting to be resurrected to be judged.

PS: Gendre Equality is a little annoying here, but whatever.

Actually Islam blindly guesses what happens after one's death, if indeed anything does actually happen. The same as all the other so called "holy" books.

And you know this exactly how?

That's what I thought. Big guess. Easy for you to talk without having any foundation for your big talk.

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Nope. Nobody knows what happens when we die (if anything) because nobody can tell us because they haven't died yet.

Solid logic.

We can only guessing what is after death. I believe in metaphysical world, but I also believe that everything can be explained by science, but for now we are not at this stage.

It's called Hadith, prophet Muhammed (pbuh) told his fellows everything he saw or heard. And then his fellows transfered his sayings generation after generation, until came a great man called Al-imam Albukhari who gathered all those sayings in one book, he spent 16 years, gathering Al-Ahadith (the sayings of prophet Muhammed) from people's chests and hearts. That's how they knew about all of this.

Plus, that story as you call it, was a trial (a test) for both; fellows of the prophet and infidels of Quraysh. prophet Muhammed told them both about his journey to see who would believe him and most of Quraysh's infidels knew the truth (they knew that Prophet Muhammed would never lie), but they were too arrogant and stubborn to submit to it, that's how Islamic writers wrote about it.

You are sooo extremely informative.

When somebody dies, it isn't that person anymore. There is a dead body, and there is the remains of the spirit, etc.  But none of this is that person. It's only living people who think of dead people as dead people.

You tell us nothing.

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If you want to go to heaven, you must "always" do good in the world during your lifetime. Although all is not guarantee that you will go to heaven, but at least you've tried and tried to get into heaven.

Well, so while we were still in our mother's womb, in the content reaches 4 months of age, God breathed life to the fetus us. So we have a soul. And when we die, our souls will be out of our bodies "intact" even when our bodies die are not intact. And the soul that would later go to heaven / hell.

That's roughly outlined in Islam. Even more, my explanation is still lacking.

Indeed. Shame your too stubborn to listen. You'd learn a thing or two.

What you fail to realise is I'm actually following your logic.
You claim we cannot know what the sun is made of because we've never been there.
You claim we cannot know if blackholes are real because we've never been to one.
You claim we cannot know the world is millions of years old because we cannot go back in time to check.

Yet when I follow your logic with, "we cannot know what after death is like because we haven't died yet".... Oh dear, you quickley abandon your position and start hand wringing, puffing your chest in and out and get that funny knotty feeling in your tummy.  :D



Guessing we actually have a spirit of course.


Sorry the truth leaves such a bad taste in your mouth. Sorry about that.

I already asked myself that question.

reincarnate, How could that be possible? If someone reincarnated in another body means that there is a soul?

Let's assume that everyone has soul, person X died in a car accident and saw another body and decided to occupy that other body Y, does this mean that the soul X will fight with the soul Y to occupy his body?

But if the body Y is of a baby who is only a few days old, how does the soul X (soul of an adult) go to occupy the body of a baby?

If we assume that each person has a soul, they also have to admit that there is heaven and hell, angels and demons. Yes, because does someone have to be responsible for guiding these souls and why has not a soul ever appeared to humans?

If a soul can occupy another body does it mean that souls can touch objects?

Can souls take revenge on who took their lives?

There are many more questions, but I believe the following:

People when they die do not come back, they do not reincarnate in other bodies... they just disappear.

My belief is that we are just energy particles. Upon our death and during the time of decomposition or burning, our energy particles move through the energy of the world we live in and move into other masses. These masses could be grass, insects, animals..... whatever. It is just energy particles. Upon the death of that object the energy particles separate and move into another object, thus the cycle repeats itself. This is why people have feelings of de-jav-u. Energy particles which have been linked and momentarily meet up.

I don't know if this is true or not, but this is what I believe. Like it or not.... it works for me.

Every religion tells what's happening after one dies. That's why I didn't ask for religious beliefs.

ahhaha That reminded me on the south park episode (http://southpark.cc.com/full-episodes/s07e12-all-about-mormons#source=6154fc40-b7a3-4387-94cc-fc42fc47376e:25eebc76-ed8e-11e0-aca6-0026b9414f30&position=12&sort=!airdate (http://southpark.cc.com/full-episodes/s07e12-all-about-mormons#source=6154fc40-b7a3-4387-94cc-fc42fc47376e:25eebc76-ed8e-11e0-aca6-0026b9414f30&position=12&sort=!airdate))
When the mormon family tells a story about the mormon fouunder.

And you don't find that a little strange, hm? So, if I start a rumor that I've seen a superman while I was walking all alone in the middle of the night where no one else was around

                       - I was out in the woods, praying  I was
                         asking God if I should be a Protestant,
                         or a Catholic, or what? And suddenly
                         God and Jesus appeared before me.  And
                         they said I should start my own church,
                         because none of the others had it right.
                          And that's exactly how it happened.

                       - You see? You believe it now?

                       - Well yeah, sure. Why would he make that
                         up?

Familliar?

That's the thinking I've asked for in this topic, thought that are different to the religious ones and unique. But I like to see deja vu like a checkpoint in game where you've died last time, so whenever I experience a case of deja vu i go "NICE! I've passed it thistime without dying." :D

One of the best blessings we all have regarding Islam is, the Koran and Hadiths were written down. Why is this a blessing? Because in-depth study of the writings shows that Islam is a religion of wealth-through-violence. Here's what I mean.

If you want to make money, you need organization. Seldom does money just fall into a person's lap. A religious government is a great way to set up an organized structure for making money.

Properly used, fear can be a strong motivator. Islam essentially says that every peaceful person, in times of peace, who is other than a Muslim, must be given a chance to turn to Islam. If, after an unspecified time, he doesn't turn, his Islamic friends and neighbors are supposed to turn on him and kill him. This helps Islam to grow... growth by fear.

If a Muslim leaves the Islamic faith, he is to be executed, like, immediately. The fear of friends turning on friends keeps Muslims firmly embedded in the Muslim worship and practices, which includes paying taxes to the Islamic clerics. So, the money-making, fear scheme of Islam grows.

Stockholm Syndrome sets in among Muslims at an early age. They don't realize that their feelings of freedom that they might have are based on a fear of death at the hands of their friends. Because of this, they are fanatically loyal to their religion.

The mild Islamic groups like the Sunni's simply have gone untended to a great extent. They are among the weakest of the true Islamic followers. Groups like ISIS, while being great among Islamic followers, are often over-zealous in their attempts to purge even weak Muslims from the ranks of Islam, and regarding their religion, do more harm than good.

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The life and soul ends with our death. Being a Hindu, my body will be cremated shortly after my death. I don't believe in any afterlife. Once we die, that is going to be the end. Full stop.

The complex vibes of your spirit, soul and mind go on forever, in a different form after death.

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Don't believe it. There is nothing after death. Life is given to man only once. Idiots Muslims spend your life killing other people is a great crime. I hope that I will not meet with him. I don't go on public transport but it still does not eliminate the possible attacks.

I think heaven and hell is the quality of the coffin. Those who after death go to heaven this means that the body is lying in a nice expensive coffin. Those who fall into hell, their bodies lie in cheap and low-quality coffins. That makes all the difference.

And to people to collect money that could improve the quality of life of their successors, the Church invented the tale about the afterlife and the need to ask this from a non-existent God. And to hear need to make regular donations.

Who told you  there is nothing after death? Are you 100% sure about that? lol..

Well, he's right from the standpoint that it is no longer a man once it is dead. So, no matter how alive it is after death, life might be given to a man only once. It will be something else in the life after death.

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I don't know about that whole afterlife thing. If you ask me, the most interesting one is that we're born again just in teh different timeline. Like, if you die in this 21st century, your next life may be in 16th or 17th... Also, the whole second dimension thought is also interesting to me, similar to the world of dreams, where we do not feel physical senses but mostly visual and audio.

When we die, everything just goes black. Unless you believe in the after life then there might be something else after. I don't believe it though.

Where did you get this information? You already died? It's all a lie based on the stories of those who were in a state of clinical death. I am sure that these memories are nothing more than the result of hallucinations.

If you believe in an afterlife you have to believe in God. This means that you go to Church. The Church teaches that all people are sinful. I don't believe that you are righteous. So anyway in heaven you can't get in.

For me life is primarily my own consciousness. Even if we assume that reincarnation exists then I still won't remember previous life and experience. This means death. It is not me.

If there was a chance to remember something, it would be evidence of this. Such evidence I do not know. There are certainly people who are talking about this TV show but I treat them as scams. I think that after death there is nothing.

Here in this between the us and Muslim fanatics difference. We are not in a hurry to die because you don't believe in life after death. And they believe in a better life after death and the more they kill people of other faiths the better their life will be.

Our life on earth is temporary only so It's wise to get ready for your next life. Your next life is for eternity... Eternity in hell or eternity with your creator.
Learn more about God to ensure your destiny.

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I think after we death we just vanished, i dont really believe in reincarnation, i dont really believe there are heavens or hell, when you die you will decomposed with soil, i dont believe there are afterlife

Based on what your opinion? You've seen somebody who lives in hell or in heaven? How can you say that? I think you have problems with the head. It is good that you are not a Muslim. Muslims with such thoughts commit acts of terrorism.

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They just believe

when a person die, its all just darkness and nothing else.
that is its reasonable write your last willing testament like feeding your dead carcass to the hungry crocs of conggo. this way you won't end up like useless still even after death.

Nothing you'd not. How can we expect anything after the death of the brain? Though of course I'm not sure that your brain is now alive. As you believe in an afterlife with a living brain? Are you delusional? Do not contact the Church, to the doctor.

But how can you know? :p That's maybe the most reasonable and logical thing to say, just like before you were born, there was nothing so what if that nothingness after you die leads to the nothingness before you were born? :P

My destiny is to become a shaman king! Also, what creator, what hell? There are hundreds of creators and hells... unleast be a little more specific. :D And as much as I can read, OP asked not to involve the main religion theories here...

Only got one life just try to enjoy it !

I think none really can answer this question. I believe that your behavior in this life really matters after death. And I think it's aimlessly to think what will happen after death. We have to face bigger problems than that, in real life, now.  I never say that I didn't thought about,  ''what will happen after death''  scenario, but I think that the life I live now it's more important.

Yes, we have only one, eternal life on Heaven :)
How we will live thus eternal life in spiritual world depends on our life on the earth.
As we prepare in mother's womb for the life on the earth (our physical body) we also have to prepare on the earth for our life in the spiritual world (our spiritual body).
The best way for it is by practicing love, compassion, life for the sake of others etc.

I don't believe in life after death. This story was invented by religious leaders to deceive and intimidate the faithful. Death is a dead end. The end of the road. Your life after death exists only in the memory of friends and relatives, and even then not for long.

There is no life after death. Life is now and what you do with it is your choice. After this life is over its the recycling of carcass that happens next. Nothing more..

Religion was made by rich fuckers because they want to keep us poor fuckers in line. That's it.

Life after death is a fairy tale which allows the religious leaders are very cheap to buy slaves. People are willing to pay money for what they promise to get to the mythical heaven. Agree religion is probably the oldest and most effective Scam on a global scale.

That's what I find most ridiculous in today's time... People are willing to walk the strait line in life just because of something that has been promised after their death and they completely forget about this life, one life that they only have.

I'd like to ask devout christians and muslims to hold themselves from posting therir propaganda here, I've clearly asked that I don't want those religious viewings on this topic (I was refering to christianity and islam since we all know what they propose). I've asked for your personal idea on what MIGHT be, all i wanted was some nice new ideas on the whole after you die time :/ Thank youuu

That is right. Life is temporary and we must live life to the fullest. If the time comes and our time comes to an end. I believe that after death, God will judge as on what we did when we are still living.  If we did a good job when we are still alive, Heaven's gate will open for us. However, If we didn't pass the standards of God, gates of hell welcomes us. I hope that the 10 Commandments based from the Bible will be the best basis while we are still alive(for us Christians).

That's just blind belief. There is no evidence of hell or god so perhaps this was taught to keep you obedient. Don't do bad thing or you'll burn for eternity type of thing. A god wouldn't burn a soul for eternity. If you think that then you don't know god very well do you?


Think about it this way. If your child did something bad like push their little sister down the stairs because she was in their stroller ...  ;D Would you burn him for eternity? So that you can hear her screams daddy daddy.. I think not. So if god is our creator then why in the world would a father burn his own children? That's the stupidest thing I ever heard and there is no way a creator god would do that to his creations.

But you wouldn't know any better since you just believe what your told and repeat it to others. No thought is put into your belief and that's why you'll never make it to your creator. He gave us brains for critical thinking and your not using it, you just believe automatically what your told. For all you know the people that taught you this are Satan worshipers. How would you know you just believe things?

Not agree with you. I don't believe in God, but the commandments are understanding. It's universal values. Only not all. Why do you think the 10 commandments of the new Testament is more important than the 6 commandments of the old Testament? Do you agree that it is impossible to defend?"You are struck on one cheek offer also the other" Is nonsense, and not a commandment!!!

I've thought about this quite a lot also dude. I've read a lot of articles about people coming back from death and talking about a tunnel with a light at the end or sometimes getting their lives played back to them like a movie. We won't really know for sure until our time comes. Though i think what comes after is just darkness and we basically would just cease to exist. I know it's a pretty sad way to look at it but that's how i see it. I don't think there's life after death. Though i really hope there is, where we'll see all our departed loved ones and have a grand reunion or the likes

Christians have great assurance that God will hold them alive after their death in this life. I can't tell you how many times God has intervened for me in this life, both in small ways and large, and has saved me from all kinds of problems and troubles. My assurance that God will save me from death to a life in the hereafter is strengthened by this.

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What the afterlife promises only Christianity? It seems to me that in General, all religions use this tale to deceive his supporters. These tales are based on the exploitation of self-preservation instinct of man.

How can you remain alive after your death? It is just a myth, and science has rubbished this particular myth. I am glad that religion had a positive influence on your life. But even then, I am not ready to believe in all those myths, which lacks logic.

I am surprised that the myth which no logic can operate on people. The Islamists are prepared to die in order to get into a nonexistent heaven. I do not understand these people.

I believe in life after death.

I am surprised that people believe things that scientists say, that there is no God, and that life after death is not real. They have no proof, yet they say it anyway. And people believe them, without proof.

Oh, well. People have false religions and cults all over the place. Believing the fables of science is just another one.

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There is one things i know. we can't run/hide from the Death. about lifes after death? there is no evidence, or any logic can describe that. because it is not something we can see. If you had own faith it will becomes just likes you believe.again who know?..will be a mistery until it comes.

There is only one reason that we know life can exist at all. There is ONLY ONE REASON. That reason is, life is here.

We don't know where life came from. We only guess about how it can exist. We simply don't know why and how life can be here.

Anybody who thinks that there will NOT be a life after death, really does not know it. We don't know why or how this life is here, and we won't know until after death what the future life will be like.

We need to listen to God.

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I believe that my soul has repeatedly incarnated on this earth. Sometimes I think of something that was not me. and sometimes I dream strange dreams, probably because of my past lives

no one has ever proved this had been happening all along. i can't remember what i am before this life regardless of how strange the dreams i have every day. one thing is for sure we all die and we know nothing when we're dead. we don't even know when we die. the moment we are about to die we don;t think about anything else but to gasp for air or maybe struggling for help.

no one has ever proven anything after death besides that we die and decompose... knowing when you're about to die depends on the situation :D

I THINK THERE IS NO LIFE AFTER DEATH

How do we listen to an imaginary creature?  8)
And actually we do know where life came from, it came from our parents, which got it from their parents etc.
We can trace back life all the way to the earths formation

The problem is our technology is not advanced enough to figure out how the big bang happened
And what existed beyond it

We only know a fraction of the universe and its history

And throughout of known history, man has always described things he does not understand to - God and other imaginary creatures (fairies, ghosts etc.)

What do know is that we know very little

And describing our missing knowledge with a - God is even more absurd

For me the only acceptable idea of a "God" is a different name for "Alien"

I believe in life after death however its just not on a level anyone could understand

When you listen to someone reading the Bible, you are listening to God.    8)

The Bible is the Word of God. When you hear it read, you are hearing what God is saying to you.



And they say that deaf people aren't well... in their ears, if nothing else.

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@ BADecker

Please see the request above. You seem to ignore other people's requests to continue preaching your lies and propaganda.

A little common courtesy wouldn't hurt.

haha unleast someone noticed the post.. but no need to point it out, they'll still ignore it. :D

Well can you maybe unleast try to explain? I've asked for more unknown or interesting ideas thought on that subject. :)

Hey,

I dont wanna die young. Maybe +80 yr Own summerhouse in example Lapland or Saimaa.
I am ready to work two jobs for it (Example home and working place)+ mining rig  :-X

only brain identity & our physical selves stop existing.. higher consciousness goes on. if you interested read book by michael newton journey of souls.

Unfortunately you will be proved right.

People like BADecker only have a single mindset.

Must read that book, NASA has found some things about god in space.

No one knows when will die and that's good. It probably would be the worst torture to know what day you will die. I wish you to your dreams come true. I hope that I die after 80 years. The main thing is not to hurt. There are diseases that it is better to die.

Oh when you come in 70 to 80 years your body is already old and you will be bothering other people to help you, are you sure you want to "bother other people to help you?"


Who guarantees that the scriptures of the bible are true, who guarantees that no man has altered the scriptures of the bible? Why is there no prophet to guide us on the right path?

Books?! Books are for losers. We have youtube! https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=michael+newton+journey+of+souls (https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=michael+newton+journey+of+souls)

I will check some of that out. As of now I'm pretty sure once your dead your dead. But maybe this guy can convince me.. doubtful.

I'm a little bit of a prophet. Few atheists even listen to what I say. Why would they listen to any other prophet?

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I believe that after you die, you're just reborn in another place. Either that, or we're maybe sent to another timeline. I dunno.

But how do you define "you", what are "you"?

If we lose all our memories we have gained throughout our lifetime and the knowledge of "us", how are exactly "we" reborn?
That is a new person, a new animal

That is not me then

Please prove me wrong, I like the idea of reincarnation  :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnXxC-nVsJY

We're all in a matrix, when you die you can continue with the same character from the beginning, therfore deja vu but also you can go and create a new character and that's why we had cases where people remembered their past lives. :D

ahahah you had me at "I'm a little bit of a prophet."  ;D ;D ;D

btw aren't there some missing bible books? Where are those? The bible must have been altered even by some means and intentions or by accident in translation. Also, as Slow Death said, who guarantees that those pages are true? No one? Why? Tho I already know the answer.

Whether there is a soul after death, not only in Buddhism, in fact, science does not exclude. Nobel prize winner John AIKE jazz, said: people in the embryo or very young, a "self" consciousness into the brain, all functions manipulate brain, brain like computer control. It still exists after the death of the brain, and still has the form of life activity, and can be immortal.

Brain activities remain after the death of a brain? or did I misunderstood something? Because this isn't very clear to me...

Unless someone will show us definitive proof of what is happening after you die. Until that I refuse to accept that there is anything waiting for us there in the underworld.

It is better to believe that this life is the only life you will ever have and live the life to the fullest.

Just as there is a beginning, a starting line, a birth, likewise there is also an end, a finish line. Death is the finish line.

when one is dead, all his parts are also dead. in fact brain can die the first so they say "you're brain dead"  ;D
when you die, every thing darkness and nothing else. those person who committed suicide knows this well because they find it the solution to end all his problem is to sleep eternally.

only the foolish man admitted that he had tried to commit suicide, and the method emperism will explain everything, the prophet Mohammed in the teachings of Islam to travel to heaven and hell called in Islam traveling israj Miraj, the Prophet Mohammed with the empirical method explained everything, so also with Gautama Buddha he did emperisme method for communicating the level to 7 in reincarnation, while the method of emperism you simply absurd to think

You believe in fairy tales about reincarnation? This is nonsense! The less a person is able to think, the more he believes in such nonsense. Terrorists are stupid people and they believe in the existence of heaven and hell. Here the religious leaders have it and use it.

Where do you come from ? if you come from Europe I would berate with heavily, you know soap? You know the days of the Renaissance? the basis of the saints who do not want to be criticized

Any belief should be based on what the facts and evidence. The basis for the belief in reincarnation? Only the stories of the preachers. What is this if not stupidity? And to kill others in order to get into a non-existent world?

How can we believe this is true just by their word?

When we die we turn into nothing. Reincarnation is nothing but a myth. When we die we lost our body and brain functions. Our memories and consciousness will be turn to nothing also since it is present in the brain. So if you ever decided to commit suicide then you are reducing yourself to the level of shit. Dying is the end of life and nothing more. This is my idea outside of Christian realm.

But I do believe that there is life after death it gives me hope that someday I will be resurrected again and join my brothers and sisters in the kingdom of our creator.

I have spent most of todays morning (before sleeping) reading about reincarnation

Most noteable research I found was by Ian Stevenson who researched 2500 children who claimed to have memories from their past lives

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/bering-in-mind/ian-stevensone28099s-case-for-the-afterlife-are-we-e28098skepticse28099-really-just-cynics/

It's... Hmm

It makes me wonder, but he's only one guy
I'd have to see a few more researchers in order to believe something to be valid

But it does make me wonder

If this kind of thinking is embedded in the brains of all people, each person will commit suicide when he got a very big problem. Because if there was nothing after death, they would choose to die rather than face a big problem. But unfortunately, because there is a heaven and hell after death, suicide is a bad thing, and certainty for people who commit suicide is that he will go to hell, tormented for eternity.

From your comment, one thing immediately came to mind. It's actually a twisted Japanese film - Suicide Club. That is actually the very context of the film - since we are all going to die anyway, why don't we just kill ourselves spare us all from the hurt.

Nope I don't agree with this at all. This is assuming that people commit suicide expecting to be reborn in another life. Suicide is mostly brought by depression and when someone is depressed, I don't think the concept of life after death even comes to their mind.

If someone thinks there is nothing after death and he faces a big problem, would he not try and try again to solve the problem, and thus strive to stay alive, because he knows he will not get another chance to do so once he lays his head to rest for the last time?

There are also children here that reported about their previous lives which are not genetically tied to them at all

It's all hallucinations. The human brain can draw pictures that people will believe as if he could see them realistically. The way the brain. This especially affects young people. They often see in the room, who was not there and there.

And how do they describe their deaths, interactions with other people, names, drawings, events that happened in their past lives?

They describe also how you describe your dreams. The same people have been in clinical death describe your feelings. I am inclined to think that it is all imagination. Still many who are trying to capitalize on this play money.

I meant how does it match with actual results

Actual results proving that God is not and cannot be. I agree that all the visions it's all a game of imagination. People believe what they want to believe. They are wishful thinking.

the big question is then:
is the brain's function being the source of consciousness or its a mere transmitter of consciousness which also gives us ability to create taking into account you have a functioning vessel. has anybody heard of 21 grams that people lose the moment they die?

NO

Stop, just stop. You're delusions are getting out of control.

That is interesting, how come it's 21 grams? just like 21 million bitcoins... there must be a connection. But seriously, there are really strange things that happen, like the DMT trip that happens as you die (apparently). I've read that the pinneal gland secretes DMT when you die. I want to try DMT myself to see what's all the fuzz about. I've heard Joe Rogan and Terrence Mckenna talking about DMT and its tempting, but I dont have any good sources.

Hi, Fluffer. According to the definition of prophet at Dictionary.com, at http://www.dictionary.com/browse/prophet?s=t, you can be a prophet, too.

 :D

Yes, but that may be a lose of breath, emptying of bowls and other air that got stuck in body... who knows but that is interesting tho.

A good way to test this would be to replace all the deathbeds in a testing facility type hospital with bed-like electronic scales and monitor the patients one by one as they die. Measurements of weight, perspiration, gas emissions and excretions could be taken to verify all results. If results repeat with all patients and also in a couple different testing facility hospitals then there should be a strong case for this 21-gram consciousness hypothesis. Should be an interesting experiment.

Good idea. I suppose you have read about the one time it was done? My guess is that doctors and hospitals would be opposed to doing this because it might prove that there is such a thing as a spirit, that actually has weight. The expense would be great, because the area where each patient was kept would have to be sealed, physically. Patients are people. So, it might be difficult sealing an area and yet allowing medication to enter as necessary to keep the patient alive.

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Nobody knows what happens next, obviously. We can only be quite sure that we won't have our body anymore. I think the mind will keep living, though. Maybe, it will be just our pure thoughts and thoughts of others. In this case there won't be any specific place we are in, because without a body there is no space for us. So just thought being nowhere. Or we can have phantom bodies and not even know we died. You know, I'm thinking of the problem of us being dead but not knowing that. What if our bodies are already not real and only the mind exists and we just don't remember how we died?

If you die then your brain could anything you draw, but in others it wouldn't work. Once you communicate with other people means you are alive. I say to you, and we do not know. I am sure that you are alive, and after death there will be nothing.

Similarly, when clinical death. Doctors fix heart failure, but the activity of the brain at this moment does not stop. Because oxygen starvation can result in hallucinations, but the person can still hear doctors. This explains the vision of the people.

There is no God. I agree with the previous post. This logically explains the visions during clinical death. Believers do not explain anything. They always just say that it is not because God is. Nonsense!

Nobody can tell you if there is life after death. We can speculate but the chances of there being a life after death are pretty slim to none. Sure if you choose to believe if fairy tales then maybe that gives you some comfort but the reality is no one knows for sure. I personally think that there is only one life and we are living it now. After we die its over and nothing happens after that. Our time has come and gone basically..

I can reassure you. Even if there is a God in Paradise you will not get anyway. The 10 commandments do not abide by no one. It is not possible. Those who wrote them dream about a better world when everyone will comply with them. The Communists also wrote their dreams, but they are not real.

If governments were not interested in the existence of religion this process would go much faster. In our time religious leaders take an active part in political life on the side of the state. Peddling faith in God.

As a Christian, after death if you accepted Christ as your personal Lord and Savior you will have eternal life in Heaven but if you don't, you are going to spend eternity in the Lake of fire.

You think about what you say! If a person is afraid of fire because it burns, then what's the lake of fire after death? How would he suffer all the time? So he will not feel pain. And then what's torture?

I believe the only way to be free from the cycle of births and deaths is to attain 'Moksha' (salvation) which can only be attained by devoting one's life to the welfare of the good. (References from Hindu myths)

It seems to me that such times will not come. At all times there were people who exploited others. The Church is no exception. I don't believe in an afterlife and that I am not getting worse. I live for the day.

try researching if you can do an ayuhasca ceremony. though you gotta find a trusted facilitator/shaman for that. the experience is basically very personal & most get what they need or even perhaps deserve - healing in process. it sort of takes the blinds off this current reality. highly recommend for becoming aware of where our ego being begin and where our spiritual being end withing the construct of your essence.

In the death of life, the knowledge of the various ideas have left the realm of the body to go into the realm of consciousness, there is a seed germination.

Actually human body is like a tree once its dead it just get burried and gives space for new body to exist.

Trees do not grow if the space is completely filled. The same cannot be said about the man. The poorer the country, the more children are born. And parents do not care what they feed their children and the conditions in which they will live.

What the hell are you talking about

I'm talking about the children who said everything about their so called previous lives

Names of parents, friends, neighbours, pictures, images etc.
That he could not know with any possible way

Even things that were later confirmed, and not known in the time of questioning

Please take time to read the replies  :)

It's all nonsense. If I had already lived I would remember something, but I don't remember anything from the past. I don't believe in an afterlife or in reincarnation. Myths exploiting the instinct of fear of death.

I believe that you re-incarnate after death. As another person not an animal. There is evidence of this if you do some research on youtube. People telling about their past lives. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=past+life+stories (https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=past+life+stories)

When people talk about their past lives is not to say that it's true. If the person is a fan of this idea that his sick imagination can paint a very real picture. People can't tell the difference between imagination and reality.

Come on, seriously

Are my posts bloody invisible or are people just ignoring them

What about Ian Stevenson and his 2500 children?

Not that I believe in it, but it makes me consider it

I think from the point of view of science, people after the death of what is not a feeling, not only will not become a ghost, it will not be reincarnated, but like a stick down headlong, no feeling.

While it may not have an immediate impact. I believe it's far than just "nothing" when we are to consider science regarding death. Do you recall that there are a lot of things we can calculate that man imbibes? Heat and brainwaves etc are all things that can be measured. If man has released it to the world. Surely it has to go somewhere, remember matter cannot be created nor destroyed.

The vastness of the universe it is hard to imagine, a scientific discovery, the only way to prove the human small Nothing is right. It is not impossible to be higher than the human species or the "God". Similarly, the existence of the soul after the death of the human body, but also the probability may exist. For the present world, we know too little

Actually I'm afraid of death, because I don't know where will I go, because I believe in heaven and hell. So a person like me who made a lot of sins. Im always thinking, Im going to be in heaven  and cherish the moment with our creator, or in hell and regret forever what I've done when I'm living. So better to do good while were still here in this world because whenever know what will happen to us AFTER DEATH.  :-X

After death I will be guided by the Valkyries to the great Hall. There I will fight and feast every day with my friends and family until the wolf swallows the moon and the serpent rises from the ocean.

After death, we never know what will happen to us, i dont know if im going to believe in heaven and hell, as far as i know, if were going to heaven there will be a room for each and everyone of us, and thats a happily ever after.

This is a really cute picture of heaven.
https://www.google.com.ph/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiaptP5m7_RAhWIsJQKHf0hAqAQjRwIBw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2F129977172%40N07%2F16006215592&psig=AFQjCNFrVul4TtRZ3lU3F5ewczCv1qZjeQ&ust=1484400239324435

Well i'm not saying that i am ultimately pro with the concept of heaven. But to me this is actually nice.

The part I was wondering is, if there is an endless continuity after death, what happened before the birth? Do they believe that they exist? Could it be unilateral eternity? The subject comes back to reincarnation (although it has difficulty accepting it). Try to think about yourself a little before the birth. Nice things make you feel. At least it is also a way of thinking about the "ego".

Well that's a colorful way to look at it though. Heaven and hell. You go to heaven when you do the right things and hell when you don't. Though we never will be able to know if there is one aside from some stories by people who's said to have died already and brought back. For me i think death is final. That's why i think we should maximize the time that we have while we're still alive because we won't be able to do anything once our time is finished and we won't even know if there would be a continuation after this life. Although i'd love to believe in the notion that after this, we would be able to see all our departed loved ones, just like a big reunion.

A person is considered alive until he lives his brain. How can it be considered alive if man ceased his thoughts, memories of his knowledge. Even doctors stop to resuscitate the man if he died his brain.

Hello,

After death there will be nothing. So we have to develop scientific approach to longevity as fast as we are capable.

Kind Regards,

Yet the universe will at some point be nothing anyway. Also consider everything in life never turns to nothing - fire burns and turns to smoke which mixes with air etc etc.  After death comes a new journey IMO.

Hello,

A new journey to feed the worms.

It is a necessity to prolong our life as much as we can.

Kind Regards,

Of course, the simple reason why we don't know about what is after death, might be that some of the dead have gone on to such a joyful new life that they don't even remember this one, and others have gone to a prison they can't get out of to come back and tell us.

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Indeed, the maggots are essential little bugs that feed on soft tissue. Therefore, a rotting human corpse is the cornerstone of a complex ecosystem as is feeds into new abundant life.

Right! Even the Bible talks about the super-maggots of Hell when it says, "... where their worm does not die, and their fire is not quenched."

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Seriously, BADecker..... can you not read and respect someone's wishes for an answer which has nothing to do with religion?

As usual, you speak from a standpoint of ignorance. Look at the first response post. It's a non-religious post - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1716341.msg17187756#msg17187756.

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Link doesn't work. I'm afraid I'm going to come back as a cockroach or a worm or a fuckin' anal bead.

And yet you now move to a point of religion.....

Hijacking much? Feel the need to speak about your religion because it is so worthless when you have been asked not too...... that shows you have no respect for others.

I guess for some others, this can't really be helped. I've seen this a lot of times, and I am not sure if I can really blame them. Anyhow I still have to admit, that this can at times be really offensive and frustrating. We can't always involve religion on every matter.

Since religion is in the lives of all people, there is no way out of it. Just to post in the forum is a religious talk. It might be philosophical, but it is religious, as well. Since you are talking religion, I am responding in religion.

My post to Tyrantt was about as far as anyone can get from religion.

So, knowing all this, and even talking against it, why do you keep on posting your religious stuff?

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If you believe me to be religious then I will stop posting to show respect to others.... will you?

Anyone fear death. You cannot run if it is your time of death, you must face if it is your time. For me, I believe in after death, we cannot say where does our souls and body goes after death. You should only believe in God, God knows where we will go.

Very well said.
We fear from unknown, it's natural.
In the Bible is said that God created man according to his image. He created our physical body from the dust and our spiritual body from his spirit.
So, when our physical body dies and return to the earth, our spiritual body returns to God.
It's great to know that our soul is eternal and that we will be reunited with our Creator, Heavenly Father, after physical death.

Not everyone fears death. How would you explain those who are trying to kill themselves and are attempting suicide. But take this aside - those who has accepted life and tried to live it do not exactly fear death, at some level they might be scared of it perhaps, but they lived a life of contentment and fulfillment that they welcome death if it is to come.

I think it's about perapective. Do people fear death itself? Or the process of dying? Or the thought of losing whatever they have now? I don't think death should be feared because it's basically inevitable and we're going that path sooner or later. I think what scares most people ia the manner of how they'll meet death. In can be through old age, or an accident , or sickness. I think people who actually believe that there will be a continuation after they die can accept the notion of dying better than those who think that death is already a finality to ecerything

It is many fears combined. Top among them are...

When you get a cut, or if you lose a finger, there is usually some pain involved. Same said when you have an operation at the hospital. The body is built with a natural aversion to pain and death.

People who know that they are dying, especially if it happens quickly, like in a car accident where you have only minutes of life left, become very realistic. They put aside their foolish ideals of life, including the fact that God does not exist. They fear having to meet Him, because they know instinctively that they have not obeyed His laws during their lives.

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You too, will one day put aside your foolish ideals of your life and realize when you meet the Great One, that you have not obeyed his laws during your life. It will be too late then.

i have heard many stories about people who die and went to hell or heaven,but at times I personally have been having nightmare of my late mother and in that dream she will tell me something which do happened later physically ,so I believe that when a person dies the spirit in him comes out of his body the body decays into the soil,where the spirit goes depends on the good works the person does while on heart,Christ love you

Well all of us here was alive and there is no way for us to identify what will happen after our death , death is a inescapable scenario that every one of us will encounter , This might not be relevant but I will still post that there is a hint given to us by the scriptures what will happen to use after death read John 3:16

See you couldn't resist again with your crap BADecker.

I take it from your comments BADecker that you've been present when many people have died, holding their hand and comforting them in their dying moments. May I ask what line of work you did this in? Or is this simply an opinion based on your own beliefs?

[tongue in cheek] The thing that I fear most in death, is that BADdecker is right and there is a God. I'll have to put up with his religious nonsense for the rest of eternity....yes, that's right, he bet on the wrong God  ;) [/tongue in cheek]

If you believe in Jesus then you go to Heaven, if you don't, you go to Hell.

His laws? What laws? There aren't any.

When you reply please try to avoid any assumptions, fallacies or circular logic.

I can't believe that here we are in 2017 and people still got this ridiculous idea in their head.
Nobody know what happens when we die. Nobody.
People that claim they know what happens and present it as fact are liars.
Speculation what happens is fine of course (we've all done that), claiming it as fact is not.

That's all it ever will be, blind speculation. Nothing more.

Succumbing to religion. Sigh, nothing ever changes...

And what would this prove? I for example do not believe in God or heaven or hell. Religion is a fairy tale for adults which aims to intimidate people and force them to pay off the mythical threat. And after his death a void, but you do not tell us.

In this modern day and age, you seem a little uninformed. Let me make it easy for you, what happens: Clinical death occurs when the person's heartbeat, breathing and circulation stop. Four to six minutes later, biological death occurs. That's when brain cells begin to die from lack of oxygen, and resuscitation is impossible.

There, now you too are informed with knowledge we possess in 2017. :)

After death nothing will happen. I also think a person's life while the human brain alive. I know of no convincing argument to believe in an afterlife. Sure it is a fiction for the purpose of exploitation by the religious instinct of man.

The human brain is simply the interface that the real, spiritual, spirit-body human uses to interact with this world. Death will simply cause the person to lose his connection with this world. Many (if not all) of his other spiritual connections will remain intact.

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Interface never manages life support system. You are contrary to the principles of management. If the brain doesn't want to do something then nobody can force you. So the interface itself does not.

I remember child I was very afraid of the death, me even had a nightmare there. My parents to reassure me told me that when that we died we were reincarnated in animal. This theory to market until certain one age or I me sui reported that when died we became again dust.

Unfortunately life after death does not exist. For their complacency, of course you can think that, but I believe that we have to live now. Then you have no chance. And don't be afraid to die. It is a deliverance from suffering.

No one can really be sure if theres life after death or if death is already final. And i think we shouldn't really worry about that because we have our lives in front of us and we need to make the most out of it. For me i think in a way death is finality. So whatever you can do to make your stay in this life worthwhile then by all means do it.

This is a really hard question. I think that the only the body die and the soul life further.

We live than only in another dimesion.
We now only see 3 dimesions because our body, but i think,
that there are a lot of more what we can see when we leave our body.

We already know that human body creates energy and that energy goes back to the universe after our death, because energy can't cease to exist, it can only change its form. There were even experiments where human body was weighted before and after death and there were significant differences, so something escapes from the body when we die. Is it a soul? Who knows. THere are people who were born with memories of other people, who lived before them. How would you explain it?

No one really knows if life after death exist or not, but there's one thing for sure. As the post above said, " There were even experiments where human body was weighted before and after death and there were significant differences" is a great proof that something is going out of a person's body that we can't see when one dies. Maybe reincarnation is real, but there's a possibility that it isn't and there is another possibility we can't even think of that happens when someone dies.

I really think that science, soon or later, will be able to find out about spiritual world and what happen with our body after death.
We have many experience from people who died or was death for a short time, but recovered and come back (close to death experiences).
When you read all this testimonies, it's impossible to deny that we continue to live after our physical death (death of our body).
I think that God didn't created us to live only short time on the earth but to live eternally with him in Heaven.

When you died i know that you will live again in another world you only died in your body not your soul it self so maybe you're going to travel into another world that no one will see it only you and also those people who died already too. I know science will discover this kind where soul come.

That's a good way to look at though not very realistic. I don't see any way that science can prove there's another life after the one that we're living right now as I think scientists know well enough to study first the things that can benefit us while we're still alive than venturing to what's going to happen after death.

The problem is that many of these people saw completely different things. Some saw the light, some a tunnel with a light on one end, some complete darkness. Maybe these are images our brain projects right before the complete shutdown. You'd have to somehow connect to the nervous system of a dying brain and see what it does when the neurons are degenerating. I think a good idea would be to ask people who suffered a stroke, what visions they had and how it felt when part of their brain stopped working.

When biological death takes hold, rest assured this is the very end of you. There is no more "you" left when the brain neurons finally stop firing. The only reason people feel there is something more like a "soul" or a "spirit", is because in homo sapiens, life has reached a self-conscious state. This self consciousness can easily lead you to believe that there is more than the biological, but self consciousness is itself grounded in the biological makeup, as it emerges out of the neuronal firings going on in our brains and bodies, but primarily our brains. When reality settles in, darkness prevails. Believe it. The light only goes on in the living. In fact, technically you can't speak of the dead, because there are no more of "you" to be referred to at all. There is simply nothing.

After death is judgment Notting more than that. Should we question about what we have limited knowledge of? The only word that is real is the words of God. The words of God came to his prophets through revelations and that words said " after death then judgment. For those that do good will be with the lord and for those that do evil to hell fire.

Since man is a spirit, Death is the separation of the human spirit from the body. Eventually the spirit returns to the maker which is God, who judges all spirits. I am speaking as a Christian on this issue.

who know after death ? , if you life ? put poison or sianida and then talk me , how life after death . post here :D

I believe that there is life after death and it is what they called "eternity", I believe in it. I don't know how to explain but as simple as I believe in God and it is what written in bible. But, according to some belief they  said that after death your soul  will live again in another body and they call it "reincarnation"

Post death existance is completely based on our faith because it's totally immaterial condition, so we can not argue about it with classical logical approach. As for me, I believe in the life after death and existance of heaven and hell but I don't have even a little idea what it'll be like, hence I advice all not to overthink :-)

Glad to hear that.  I always try not to make people influenced with my ideas in a bad way . It's not only about life after death, every issue that has little amount of proofs doesn't worth to argue very seriously. That's why sciences divide into exact and non-exact categories.

I don't believe in life after death. It is not possible to prove from a scientific point of view, and all would see and prove the existence to me. We have to live now and to abandon many of the benefits now for the sake of what will happen after I'm not ready.

Your soul will return to your creator, God.
It's true that some souls are ''not ready yet'' to return to God and staying here, on earth, because of some ''unfinished'' business.
Such souls can influence earthly people, often in a bad way, and such people can act in a evil way, because of such spirits.
People wrongly believe that such phenomena means "reincarnation"  but in fact, we have earthy person with weak spiritual mind, competly dominated by the ''ghost''.

One thing is for sure - death will come, so enjoy your life while you can then who knows

I don't also believe that there is life after death , because if you are dead the soul will only go in 2 places the heaven and hell, so it is impossible that you will live again. It is written in the bible so that is what I am believing. Anyway, whenever we believe it or not still we will die and that is certain.

Our life wouldn't matter if there is no death. Our consciousness, feelings, relations and wisdom gives us life. I feel that death is not just a bad thing because it can also be our freedom from the materialistic world. But, we may never know what may happen after death unless we our in the process of dying.

I'm sure that after death there will be nothing. Life is given to us only once. If I back out now from any of the goods in order that after death you go to heaven which I think is stupid. Think about it.

We do not remember the pre-birth. With death we will disappear in our body. Scientifically there is no soul.
So you do not have to worry. You will remember nothing after you die.

In the idea our opinions don't confront each other :-) I also believe that arguing about non-proofable issues is ignorance and nothing more.

I also don't believe in life after death. These stories invented by religious leaders to be able to manage people and asking for money. The funny thing to me is that there are people who change their real life to virtual life after death.

We're all afraid of death and if someone talks about death some of us will get goosebumps. Sometimes I am wondering where will I go if I die, Heaven or Hell? I know to myself that I did good things as well as bad things, probably 80% of what I did to my life was bad, well I just want to be honest. :) So whether Im going to heaven or hell, I will do whatever I want and live happily, because Life is given just once.

Yes, earthly physical life is given justr once but after that you will enter in eternal spiritual life.
How you will live in this, next life, depends on your life on the earth.
You see, when you are in mother's womb, you have to prepare your body so that you can breathe in the next, physical world.
In the same way, while you live in the physical world, you have to prepare your spiritual ''body'' so that you can breathe in the next, spiritual world.
In spiritual world you can breathe only if you developed love, while you lived on the earth.
If you can't breathe and live in the Heaven, you know where you will go, don't you?

Yes, you may not believe in re-incarnation or heaven, but you cannot be so definitive about it, nobody can. Do I

believe in reincarnation, no, but I do believe in the soul, and that you are more than simply bone and muscle. Science

cannot explain consciousness, and what you think of when you think of "me", and where that comes from. It has been

said that bodies directly after death weigh slightly less than before death. People that I personally know and trust

have held loved ones, even dogs, and have said that they without a doubt felt their soul leave the body. Where that

soul goes, we can never know for sure.

When we look at the history of humanity, wars are generally religion-based.
Like you said, religion is a great device for people to use.
As Marx said, "Religion is the opium of the people"

All wars have always involved religion. This is because religious leaders have always cooperated with the state authorities. Therefore, the state supports religious activities. Religion is responsible for war.

Yes, we should not mind what would happen after our death. What we should mind is how can we make our life meaningful. I do not believe on something that I don't see but God. I beleieve in existence if God but the way we are created, I am with science. Same as death, I don't beleieve in souls for the reason that there is no evidence/witness that can prove on its existence. Let's just tend to be nice as we live, be thankful because we do still exist.

Since death is the end of everything that we do and are in this life, there are only two good things that we can do:
1. Find Jesus salvation so that we can live in the next life;
2. Help others find Jesus salvation so that they can live, as well.

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You forgot option 3.

3. Nothing. You die. End of Story. No afterlife.

the 3rd option is the most possible  of all.
there is nothing after death. its all darkness there, you wouldn't want to live in that dark. notice when someone die in an accident and you look at their eyes wide open yet?

if you are that dead man and you just discover there's life after death and you watch yourself, ain't that painful? pain is never a heaven.  if there's life after death you are just going to remember the ones you left like sons, daughters and you're going to live miserably after death.

I am sure that there is nothing after death. People instinctively fear death and therefore invented the tale in order to limit the temptation to take with them to the light of anyone with whom they quarreled.

You are right, if you want an assurance in life find Jesus in your heart and life. Live with His Words and believe that without Him we are nothing.
We are not perfect that is why if we have Jesus in our hearts then we should not be worry about our after death, and Jesus will be With us because He is the Way, the Truth and the Life.

The most popular person who was resurrected after death is Jesus. But even with him, there is no confirmation. You are not worrying? I think this is proof that there is no life after death does not exist.

Because religion can guide people very easily. It is very difficult to fool an atheist. But using beliefs you can do things to people. They can vote for the elections to you. You can make them fight.

That's untrue.

Remember USSR and North Korea?

Their populations were/are mostly atheist and they followed their leaders blindly into poverty

I believe in life after death. I also think that we may be reincarnated after such time. I don't think that we just stop at one point and just stay there. This is why I believe in God. I believe that after we die, we get to see him and then we're given a chance to be much better in our next life.

How can you believe in life after death? With the death of the human brain, life stops. Even if she were the life of the soul after death, to live and not be able to communicate with their loved ones is this life

Ya i believe there is life after death too but not for reincarnation because if there is then isnt our life will endless, life > death > reincarnated > life > death.

I wonder if you now erase the memory, you will find that you continue to live? I think not. You will live a new life. This means that only one life. There's a sequel or not is a different life. So why spoil yourself this?

You think its only one life huh, i completely disagree because you ripe what you sow, in this life is trial, and depend on what you doing, you will get punishment or pleasure in the world of after life :)

I don't believe in the existence of life after death. I'm sure that after his death the end and nothing. Psychics who communicate with spirits are scammers. They deceive people in order to enrich.

So if you think like that then what is the purpose of this life then? Or you mean it had no purpose at all? Hmm about spirit or ghos, i believe thry are excist but i never see it with my own eyes tho :)

There are other instances of people who had been raised from the dead, but unlike those mentioned before in the Bible, Lazarus had been dead for an entire period of four days. When Lazarus died, Jesus said, “ ‘Our friend Lazarus sleeps, but I go that I may wake him up.’ Then His disciples said, ‘Lord, if he sleeps he will get well.’ However, Jesus spoke of his death, but they thought that He was speaking about taking rest in sleep.

Dude you're quoting he bible here, a book that is not to be taken literally. The story of lazarus may very well be something that has a different meaning and not just about someone raised from the dead. I think we can't really know for sure what is going to happen as even science hasn't proven yet that something else happens to a person who already died

The great paradox: to truly know what there is after death, you must first die, and there's no returning from that AFAIK.  Anyone who tries to sell you on something different is full of it.

As far as anyone can actually tell, what's left after death is what you've done in this world, i.e. your legacy.  Most people are completely eradicated from history, they have no names, no faces, only a lineage if that; very few people are worth remembering, and of those who are remembered, are often not even known by most people: you are fortunate to be remembered by anyone long after your death, and sometimes it's just for infamy; I'm sure Hitler didn't want to be remembered as a villain but alas.

If you want to be remembered, you have to do something great.  Everyone knows who Mozart, Bach and Beethoven are, and everyone knows why they are remembered; everyone knows Plato, and Socrates, and Aristotle, though they may not know precisely why they stick out--these guys are several thousand years old and their works are still studied.  I could go on.

As far as anyone can actually tell, the conscious is tied to the passage of time and the senses as perceived by each individual; our thoughts and feelings are a stream, one after the other, and that is who we are; I can say these thoughts are mine, but once I die, I lose the ability to recognize these thoughts are mine and the ability to recognize that I have the ability to recognize these thoughts are mine, and of course I lose the ability to have thoughts at all.  If the conscious is tied to the mind and the mind perishes upon death, and if the world exists outside of our ability to sense it, then one can conclude that the world will continue on without this one eye in the galaxy to perceive its happening, and perhaps perceive this one eye posthumous too, as we perceive other eyes in our history.  Where can the consciousness go without its shell to generate the stream of "me"?--if the ego is tied to this shell and the shell perishes, so does the ego.  Experience depends on a vessel to experience with; no vessel, no experience.

So some say there is a vessel within a vessel that is released upon death, they call this the soul.  Of course there is no evidence of such a thing empirically but I suppose one could make any sort of logical argumentation that a soul is potentially existing.  Some take it on the authority of holy documentation that there is a soul, but I don't think this is any such way to get closer to the truth.  Some feel better knowing they will continue on after death, and take it an offense that one such as myself argues against its existence, but what can you do about that.

And then there are those who think this is all a simulation, and perhaps on death you are awakened from the simulation much like in The Matrix, but again, without empirical evidence of such a thing existing, only logical reasoning, it's not something anyone can really say for sure.

IMO you shouldn't waste life thinking you'll be going somewhere after death; the most certain thing is that you get one life and one chance to do something with it, so don't waste it writing long posts of forums contemplating the potentials of posthumous living.

After death you will go to the Purgatory, where you will wait for your judgement, at the end of the times. Then you will end up for eternity in Heaven or in Hell.

And your proof of this is what?

I agree, after death is the judgement, depent on what we do in this world, we will going to heaven or hell. So thats the purpose of our life, we must always doing good thing and avoid bad thing so in the next life we wont suffering from punisment. Thats the purpose of all religion, ya if its artheis then they wont believe it.

I dont had proof i never and someone never going to hell or heaven before born here, if everyone ever had going to heaven and hell before born and the memory still intact then i believe everyone who had that memory will always doing good deed.

You admit there is no proof, so your assumption of what happens after death is therefore based on faith.

Good for you that you have faith, but that does not make it real.

Believers need no evidence. It is enough that they themselves believe. I believe that they are sick. How do sane people can believe in unproven assertions. In addition, these statements are very primitive.

Correct. The hardest part here is explaining someone who doesn't want to know your belief at all or don't mind it anyway.
That is true even if you have proof still they won't believe you because they have their own mindset and their own belief.
We respect them of course as long as they respect ours.

I don't believe in the existence of life after death. There is no evidence of the existence of the afterlife. Psychics who say that know how to talk with spirits they really are just crooks. I do not believe them!

And I believe it. I do not want to know that there is nothing after death. I am sure that only the body dies, but the soul of man is immortal.

There is nothing after death. Emptiness. Do not rely on the afterlife. Live now. It makes no sense to give up existing benefits of life in a fictitious heaven or hell. Even great saints were not born again.

The Holy Bible. You will not have much problems searching for the exact pages on the Internet.

A fantasy book! No more accurate than Lord of the Rings or Harry Potter.

Sorry, more proof needed.

Little proof that life after death there is Heaven or hell, i dont want to talk too much in this forum

If I kill your mother you will definitely punish me in order to create fairness, but what if you can not find me? The answer is you do not get justice, therefore hell created for those who do not get justice in the world.

There is hitler, Shiro Ishii,pol pot, Josef Stalin, theese people in an evil, they kill thousand or million human. In this case i choose hitler, hitler make WW and kill million human and no one can punish him, he did suicide. Let say you can punish hitler, what will you do with hitler?? Kill him, burn him, torment him?? is that enough?

Hitler:victim
1 : 1.000.000

You punish him once so
1:999.999

Is this enough? there are so many victim now still 999.999, you have to punish him 1.000.000, huh??

Let say he reincarnate to be something diffrent and not as a human, so he need reincarnate 1.000.000. If he reincarnate as a musquito, wow he is very easy to kill huh? it's not sense

If reincarnation is a way to Punish hitler, i will say it's not sense.

If I can not be found and if there is no heaven and hell, surely I will do a lot of negative things to make me happy, I will be raped someone, I will kill people and I would rob people. Because nothing is going to punish me, and i will happy if i can reincarnation, so i can be better or the worst again huh??

Thats Your opinion and your opinion also has no evidence because no one has ever prroved if there is a life or their is nothing after death ! but for me I believe it has ! when we die where are going to the place we are destined to be and that is the Creator of the heaven and earth , the Creator of all the existence you've seen during your lifetime ! because nothing ever existed if there nothing created it ? and that is the true evidence !

If you like this or not, the Holy Bible is at the root of our conception of what is good and what is not. The 10 Commandments are at the root of the morality.

Name me one person who keeps all the 10 commandments. There is no such. Additionally, good intentions pave the road to hell. Religion under the guise of morality making a black case and it is not uncommon! Religion is a lie.

I can name a few: Jesus, Francis of Assisi, Mother Theresa etc. :)
If you can't keep 10 commandments, it doesn't mean that such commandments are unrealistic and out of reach for us.
In fact, 10 commandments are root of today's morality and law in our societies.
Religion talks about fundamental issue like origin of the universe, root of sin, salvation, absolute moral standards etc.
Philosophers and scientists have thousands of ideas on these issues but no so much concrete answers, which they can prove as true.
So, I still prefer religious truth as unchanging and absolute.
Human truth is changeable and relative and it's fact.
 

Yes, Holy Bible speak of 10 Commandments and that is root of morality in religion. But can you tell me for certain that morality comes from 10 Commandments and Holy Bible. Nop i think that morality comes from person no matter which religion he is. You have Buddhism and they have morality too, but they dont have 10 Commandments or Holy Bible... I approve religion for trying to show people good way, if they cant find it on there own. But i dont approve when someone force other to believe in something they dont want. God bless free will XD !

You do not speak the truth. You know personally these people talking about? No, you told me. And how can you believe those who tells you something? Why then do you not believe in tcm who says that there is no God?

Yes even if he believes it or not, we don't know all if what we believe is true or not it is just a matter or conviction and rely on what has written in the bible. If you don't believe in life after death maybe you know that there is hell? Right? If you don't believe? then, it is your problem anyway.

Exactly my friend. This makes me laugh when people say "But we are not in the XVIIIth Century !", assuming that things that were true at this era were not today. The fundamental value of Truth is that it does not change, as religion.

This is not a problem. In my understanding, people who believe in an afterlife is people are more stupid than animals. I have a dog and to teach some sort of team she needs to show the sausage. One does not need to show, for training it is enough to tell.

No one knows life after death. There are only arguments in the middle. But the idea that life after death is not yet proven.
But we know what will happen when the creatures die. Our body will start to rot. And the living creatures in the earth will eat our bodies.

Then we will only have bones.

Well I guess you didn't quite understand what I've meant in this topic. I've asked on opinions, thoughts on what happens with us after death but not in the means of rotting away even tho that's the thing we're only sure of but the soul/consciousness and whatnot aspect. How you do yourself see the period after ones death?

Why do you guys have to turn everything about a religion? This was intended to be more of a philosophical question than a clashing of religions and atheists. I'll need to edit the original post so you don't start flame wars again.

I agree with you. How modern people can believe in what he believed primitive people? For me it is nonsense!. There is nothing after death. Live and enjoy life now. A second chance you will not.

So, you like the religion of philosophy.    8)

On the other hand, since you know very little of everything that is there to be known, you do NOT know that there is no life after death.

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On the other hand, since you know very little of everything that there is to be known, you do NOT know that there is life after death.

But I know more than you, since I know that God exists, while you don't accept the proof:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

God says that there is life after death. Just as life as it exists now is essentially impossible, even so the impossible life after death will exist, as well.

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Your links are not proof. They are links to your own words.

Claiming YOUR words as proof shows how delusional you are.

I suggest you accept your fate that when you die you will be dead.... nothing more.

Well I like to think that we would just be born again or reincarnate,
I have watch a documentary about it and some kid's have said that they know something about their past life.

Since my words show the proof that God exists, they are simply a guide for those who want to prove God to themselves. Go out and research what I say. God is proven by science and nature. Then, turn to find God Who you so fervently deny, even to the point of denying science.

Since God made all science, attempting to use science to disprove God has only failed in the past, and will only fail in the future. The past failure of science to disprove God is what is making some scientists turn to fables of science theory. Science theory is the fiction that they are often using to attempt to disprove God. They will fail.

But you, stats. You simply blab against God without anything to back up what you say. Why not acknowledge the fact of God in your life? Why not acknowledge reality? You will only wind up destroying yourself if you continue this way. Turn to God. He is willing to accept you... for now.

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Are you saying that I was already funny. Give me one proof that God created all of science. On the contrary there is no science which would not deny the existence of God. Your statements are contrary to common sense.

I don't know if you are funny or not. Why did you bring it up?

In the links above in this post, the proof that God created all things is available. All things includes science.

So far, we only have science theory that attempts to deny the existence of God. Such theory will never become science fact. Believing it to be science fact because of a consensus among scientists doesn't make it fact.

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I don't need to repeat myself to prove that your God is a false lie.

If people want to see the truth.... read the christian bible. It is full of false tales and contradictory commands.

Anyone who reads the book with an open mind can see for themselves.

You choose to see scientific results and "assume" they lead to an answer of your God. You twist the truth and speculate. That my little chuckle buddy is not science but delusions.

There is nothing after death. I am sure that there is no God. Stories about God moving in order to have control over people. I do not understand how people nowadays are willing to become the slaves even of God does not exist.

The vision of the tunnel during near-death this is due to the peculiarities of the human brain. After death the human brain is dying. No tunnels will be gone. There will be darkness. This proves that life after death does not exist.

I don't necessarily agree with you when you talk bad about the Christian God, but...

That isn't the point.

Okay, so you don't want to believe in the Christian God for some reason. Then you better find a way to get right with God, because God definitely exists.

There is no speculation in the scientific facts that prove God exists. There are only people who know God, and people who aren't willing to look at the fact that God exists. However...

If science hadn't proven God, the machine nature of the universe has proven Him for thousands of years. Your willing ignorance of the truth is destroying you. Change while you still have time. God hasn't given up on you yet. Don't force Him to do so.

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Oh chuckles.... can you from now on post with a beginning of.....

"Knock Knock"

Your arguments are getting lamer.

They are now extremely fanciful.

Lol! Name me one scientific theory which admits that God exists. People lied about the existence of different gods and no one has confirmed the existence of at least one of them. You're blind if you believe without evidence.

You are wrong my friend. Its not blindness, the thing that you described is called faith. And faith is not something that can be proved with science. Real faith comes from within person, and if someone try to explain what faith is to a person that doesnt want to believe in it, there will be a lot of discussion and they wont agree on anything. There are no scientific theory about God and there will never be... but people will still believe in God.

Children believe in fairy tales, but we laugh about it. Why when adults believe in fairy tales we laugh and call it faith? What's the difference? For me, believers are also children, just more aggressive. Islam even for me, the main spreader of terror.

Children believe in some fairy tales and people laugh because that fairy tales are proven to be false. That is why when human grown up they learn what is possible and what is not. There is possibility that God exist and till now it was not proven otherwise. So that is why people still believe in God. But i fear even when science prove that God does not exist, some people will still believe in God...

what happens when we die ? i think we just die

Many who promote life after death refer to the memories of those who were in clinical death. Hence the talk about the tunnel and other stuff. It's all a lie. Just as the human brain is not dead, he can see visions. After the death of the brain death.

Well that's where religion is different, it has something that fairy tales don't. Churches, books, legends, stories, saints, etc... and also, fairy tales are wrote as an escape from this reality for kids, nothing else. Religion has some deeper meaning to it.

That's right. Believing in science theory as fact is fairy tales = religion. The churches of science that hold the scientists that believe this way, have spread their theory religion around the world.

Science fact, on the other hand, has proven that God exists:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

Further, scientific study of the Bible shows that it is a book that can't exist according to the laws of the way books come into being and are transmitted among people. In addition, the things that the Bible shows us, when studyed in depth, show us that the Bible must be truth.

Now that we know by science and nature that God is real, and that the Bible is at least near truth, God and Christianity become reality for us. Science itself blends into a thing that God has provided. Truthful religion is available from God in the Bible. Science theory religion is a failure.

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You haven't changed at all, were gone for some time but now you're back and still posting your own posts as a scientific proof. :D
ut I'd  ask you not to poison my thread with your posts like those. There are other threads for that, I didn't ask for that kind of opinion here. Thanks.

He can't leave this topic. Believers are very aggressive towards those who do not believe in God. They also are aggressive to other religions. That is why between them arise from time to time of war. True Christianity is less aggressive than Muslims.

The first response in this thread, my response, at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1716341.msg17187756#msg17187756, is a non-religious response. However, nobody can get away from religion... even if it is their own personal religion.

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No, his first post was perfect and on point to this topic, but I see there are some arguments over something that I wasn't asking for. I didn't ask for religious thoughts like christian,muslim or hindu, because we're all familiar with those. I'm interested more in some other views on that topic.

I have always think about what happens after dying, do you even know that you already died or what happens to the memories that lies in you brain would they just vanish after dying or would the memories remain. After death is something a person who died can answer, but after dying there's no chance that a human being can solve this conclusion.

Science hasn't really found a big spot where memories are stored in the brain. There are places spread out through the brain where some small piles of memories are located. But the big spot hasn't been found.

Some people think that there is a spiritual body that contains the true memories. This spiritual body is much larger in its realm than the physical body is in this realm. The spiritual body is the real person, riding in the physical body like people ride in machines. A good movie example of this was the movie Avatar.

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Well I like to think that we would just be born again or reincarnate,
I have watch a documentary about it and some kid's have said that they know something about their past life.

And the starting comment asked that no religion thoughts be posted. Fancy that you continue to ignore the polite request by someone to thrash your own beliefs.

BADecker you display the characteristics I despise about anyone from religion. You have zero respect for others and do not follow their requests. You are a controlling zealot with total disregard for others.

I hope you do not live your life the same way you act on this forum. I really hope you find peace!

What, a fictional story?

Yeah I agree.

There you go, posting some of your personal religious thoughts again.    8)

Avatar was a good example. Star Wars war machines are another. Thanks.    8)

Robots from Star Wars... Hmm if you think on that stupid trooper robots from Episode One, that thanks but no thanks XD . I would rather die that turn into that thing XD . Maybe it would be nice if Force exist. Whole Jedi view of things, Force everywhere. In every living thing, just like Jedi code said There is no death, there is the Force . :D Well that would be cool :D .

The point is, our bodies are like almost infinitely more complex machines. Our spirits ride in our body machines, controlling them like storm troupers controlled their humanoid, robot-like machines that they rode in. It's all way more complex than science has come close to figuring out.

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I think that our brains are somekind of receptors. What do they receive exactly? It's the soul, but in some form of data, or even energy. So when the brain is created and a person is born, the brain acts as a receptor and receives the necessary data for the soul. After dying, the brain stops working, and the soul comes out, because the brain can no longer store it. What happens next is a mystery. The data may go to another brain, but without the original memories (thus reincarnation), or it might become somekind of energy and be lost in the vast universe. Well, this is just what I like to think. :)

The initial poster highlighted the fact you went against what he asked for you not to do and you still go on.

BADecker (chuckles) I initially enjoyed our discussions, however, you have now proven you are nothing more than a serial Troll. You ignore requests for no religious points and push your own agenda.

Show some respect please and have the decency to allow a topic to progress without your need to attempt to indoctrinate others.

Most likely nothing happens to you after you die. Just nothingness.

He also highlighted the fact that I remained within his requests. So I go on. But what are you doing with your post that doesn't do anything to further the "after death" discussion, but only attempts to pick on me?

You have a problem. You can't find anything wrong in what I say. You can't rebut my facts. So you attempt to demean my character... mostly with direct lies. Start to realize that the things that I post are for the most part truth.

Check out what I said about after death... https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1716341.msg17187756#msg17187756.

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Within the Christian faith, there is a significant amount of confusion regarding what happens after death. Some hold that after death, everyone “sleeps” until the final judgment, after which everyone will be sent to heaven or hell. Others believe that at the moment of death, people are instantly judged and sent to their eternal destinations. Still others claim that when people die, their souls/spirits are sent to a “temporary” heaven or hell, to await the final resurrection, the final judgment, and then the finality of their eternal destination. So far no one knows what happens after death. Still religious people  and scientists speak of death without any proof/ evidence.

I checked it out and sorry Chuckles but you totally ignored the request. 

Now check out the original post..... He has asked for you not to discuss the christian or muslim belief.

So what do you do..... sprout your crap.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1716341.msg17187572#msg17187572 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1716341.msg17187572#msg17187572)

All I do is highlight your rudeness and your one minded philosophy of crap. That shouldn't worry you but for some reason it does.

If you don't want me to comment, then I suggest we both drop the religious discussion and allow this thread to be about "non-religious" aspects and thoughts of after death.

I know I can do that.... but can you?

We are eternal. The death theory is all about control.
When you play the game right there is no death (in the physical form) :)

You are speaking about yourself ^^^, not me.

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No.... it's about you.

So we have an agreement. This topic is about non-religious thoughts and ideas.

Good working with you!

We have body and soul. After death our soul will come out from our crass body. Some philosophers say after death our soul will be vanished. some say that our soul has eternal life so after death it will to the eternal world. Some religions like Hinduism believe that after death our soul will take next birth. Whatever maybe we do not know about our death and the things happen after death.   

Religions propagate such unsubstantiated myths, to make their adherents slaves to the faith. They will say that if you don't donate money to the temple or the church or the mosque, then you will be reborn as an animal. The reason for coming up with this garbage is very clear. They instill a sense of fear in the minds of the retarded religious followers.

Why do you bring up such a minor agreement? Of course all thoughts and ideas that are unsubstantiated are non-religious until they are thought about. Then they become a part of the religion of the thinker, one way or the other, believed or not believed... at least until they are substantiated.

The thing that we are talking about is the proof... proof for the existence of God. No religion there. Only knowledge. Of course, there are people who won't look at the proof for fear that God just might be real. They would rather keep their knowledge of God in a religious position where they can believe or not believe about God.

Religion following the proof starts for some people when they believe or don't believe the things that God says... and in some cases, that God even says things.

Once a person understands that God exists, his next step would be to understand the proof that the Bible is the Word of God. Then he can start to believe in the things that the Bible says... often things for which there will never be any proof before the Judgment Day.

Proof that the Bible is the Word of God is secondary to what we are discussing. Let's get the proof for the existence of God clearly embedded within ourselves. Then we can tackle the proof that the Bible is the Word of God.

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I like that line^^^. That's exactly what scientists, science media, and universities do when they talk about science theory as though it were fact. These religious entities are becoming stronger and stronger among the lay people of today.

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I think the religions are the one responsible for these matter. They opened the minds of the people to death and reincarnation which noone really knows.
They say that there will be a god waiting above or whatsoever but for me, dying will be nust the end of my precious life, im not expecting it to be early or late though when it comes, it cant be avoided.
The excitement of dying is knowing something that other people know, it is obviously what happens when someone died.

Thank you Chuckles..... you have proven my point you are a self righteous, egocentric individual who pushes his own agenda even when asked not to.

That alone is enough to drive people to the truth of "There is no God".

You appear to be desperate to prove your point.

Good luck squire.

LOL! You are so funny. Listen to you. I have science facts on my side. And you can't even bring any up. In fact, you probably wouldn't know how to rebut anything even if it were not fact. All you have is hot air. The fact that God exists has been scientifically proven long ago. I simply point out how.

However, thanks for blowing your hot air around. Doing so only serves to strengthen the fact of God's existence in the minds of those who are open to science. Keep it up.

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