After death

[xdtiagonzhar]

I don't believe in the existence of life after death. I'm sure that after his death the end and nothing. Psychics who communicate with spirits are scammers. They deceive people in order to enrich.

So if you think like that then what is the purpose of this life then? Or you mean it had no purpose at all? Hmm about spirit or ghos, i believe thry are excist but i never see it with my own eyes tho

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[worhiper_-_]

There's been a question that's been bugging me for a long, long time now. What happens when you die? From someones side nothing, other say that your go to their versions of heaven and yet some say that we reincarnate.

That thing got me so bad that a few time's I've been on the verge of killing myself just to see what's happening then, it's killing me to think about it. What are your thoughts? I'm not interested in the christian or virgin filled muslim heaven, I'm interested in your ideas and what are your ideas on what might happen? One theory that stuck with me is that we are born again but in the different time or just born in the same timeline but as soon as you die, you're reborn on some other place.

There are other instances of people who had been raised from the dead, but unlike those mentioned before in the Bible, Lazarus had been dead for an entire period of four days. When Lazarus died, Jesus said, “ ‘Our friend Lazarus sleeps, but I go that I may wake him up.’ Then His disciples said, ‘Lord, if he sleeps he will get well.’ However, Jesus spoke of his death, but they thought that He was speaking about taking rest in sleep.

[gabmen]

There's been a question that's been bugging me for a long, long time now. What happens when you die? From someones side nothing, other say that your go to their versions of heaven and yet some say that we reincarnate.

That thing got me so bad that a few time's I've been on the verge of killing myself just to see what's happening then, it's killing me to think about it. What are your thoughts? I'm not interested in the christian or virgin filled muslim heaven, I'm interested in your ideas and what are your ideas on what might happen? One theory that stuck with me is that we are born again but in the different time or just born in the same timeline but as soon as you die, you're reborn on some other place.

There are other instances of people who had been raised from the dead, but unlike those mentioned before in the Bible, Lazarus had been dead for an entire period of four days. When Lazarus died, Jesus said, “ ‘Our friend Lazarus sleeps, but I go that I may wake him up.’ Then His disciples said, ‘Lord, if he sleeps he will get well.’ However, Jesus spoke of his death, but they thought that He was speaking about taking rest in sleep.

Dude you're quoting he bible here, a book that is not to be taken literally. The story of lazarus may very well be something that has a different meaning and not just about someone raised from the dead. I think we can't really know for sure what is going to happen as even science hasn't proven yet that something else happens to a person who already died

[Mike Christ]

The great paradox: to truly know what there is after death, you must first die, and there's no returning from that AFAIK.  Anyone who tries to sell you on something different is full of it.

As far as anyone can actually tell, what's left after death is what you've done in this world, i.e. your legacy.  Most people are completely eradicated from history, they have no names, no faces, only a lineage if that; very few people are worth remembering, and of those who are remembered, are often not even known by most people: you are fortunate to be remembered by anyone long after your death, and sometimes it's just for infamy; I'm sure Hitler didn't want to be remembered as a villain but alas.

If you want to be remembered, you have to do something great.  Everyone knows who Mozart, Bach and Beethoven are, and everyone knows why they are remembered; everyone knows Plato, and Socrates, and Aristotle, though they may not know precisely why they stick out--these guys are several thousand years old and their works are still studied.  I could go on.

As far as anyone can actually tell, the conscious is tied to the passage of time and the senses as perceived by each individual; our thoughts and feelings are a stream, one after the other, and that is who we are; I can say these thoughts are mine, but once I die, I lose the ability to recognize these thoughts are mine and the ability to recognize that I have the ability to recognize these thoughts are mine, and of course I lose the ability to have thoughts at all.  If the conscious is tied to the mind and the mind perishes upon death, and if the world exists outside of our ability to sense it, then one can conclude that the world will continue on without this one eye in the galaxy to perceive its happening, and perhaps perceive this one eye posthumous too, as we perceive other eyes in our history.  Where can the consciousness go without its shell to generate the stream of "me"?--if the ego is tied to this shell and the shell perishes, so does the ego.  Experience depends on a vessel to experience with; no vessel, no experience.

So some say there is a vessel within a vessel that is released upon death, they call this the soul.  Of course there is no evidence of such a thing empirically but I suppose one could make any sort of logical argumentation that a soul is potentially existing.  Some take it on the authority of holy documentation that there is a soul, but I don't think this is any such way to get closer to the truth.  Some feel better knowing they will continue on after death, and take it an offense that one such as myself argues against its existence, but what can you do about that.

And then there are those who think this is all a simulation, and perhaps on death you are awakened from the simulation much like in The Matrix, but again, without empirical evidence of such a thing existing, only logical reasoning, it's not something anyone can really say for sure.

IMO you shouldn't waste life thinking you'll be going somewhere after death; the most certain thing is that you get one life and one chance to do something with it, so don't waste it writing long posts of forums contemplating the potentials of posthumous living.

[Losvienleg]

After death you will go to the Purgatory, where you will wait for your judgement, at the end of the times. Then you will end up for eternity in Heaven or in Hell.

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After death you will go to the Purgatory, where you will wait for your judgement, at the end of the times. Then you will end up for eternity in Heaven or in Hell.

And your proof of this is what?

[xdtiagonzhar]

After death you will go to the Purgatory, where you will wait for your judgement, at the end of the times. Then you will end up for eternity in Heaven or in Hell.

And your proof of this is what?

I agree, after death is the judgement, depent on what we do in this world, we will going to heaven or hell. So thats the purpose of our life, we must always doing good thing and avoid bad thing so in the next life we wont suffering from punisment. Thats the purpose of all religion, ya if its artheis then they wont believe it.

I dont had proof i never and someone never going to hell or heaven before born here, if everyone ever had going to heaven and hell before born and the memory still intact then i believe everyone who had that memory will always doing good deed.

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After death you will go to the Purgatory, where you will wait for your judgement, at the end of the times. Then you will end up for eternity in Heaven or in Hell.

And your proof of this is what?

I agree, after death is the judgement, depent on what we do in this world, we will going to heaven or hell. So thats the purpose of our life, we must always doing good thing and avoid bad thing so in the next life we wont suffering from punisment. Thats the purpose of all religion, ya if its artheis then they wont believe it.

I dont had proof i never and someone never going to hell or heaven before born here, if everyone ever had going to heaven and hell before born and the memory still intact then i believe everyone who had that memory will always doing good deed.

You admit there is no proof, so your assumption of what happens after death is therefore based on faith.

Good for you that you have faith, but that does not make it real.

[DD-Lex]

After death you will go to the Purgatory, where you will wait for your judgement, at the end of the times. Then you will end up for eternity in Heaven or in Hell.

And your proof of this is what?

I agree, after death is the judgement, depent on what we do in this world, we will going to heaven or hell. So thats the purpose of our life, we must always doing good thing and avoid bad thing so in the next life we wont suffering from punisment. Thats the purpose of all religion, ya if its artheis then they wont believe it.

I dont had proof i never and someone never going to hell or heaven before born here, if everyone ever had going to heaven and hell before born and the memory still intact then i believe everyone who had that memory will always doing good deed.

You admit there is no proof, so your assumption of what happens after death is therefore based on faith.

Good for you that you have faith, but that does not make it real.

Believers need no evidence. It is enough that they themselves believe. I believe that they are sick. How do sane people can believe in unproven assertions. In addition, these statements are very primitive.

[JC btc]

Believers need no evidence. It is enough that they themselves believe. I believe that they are sick. How do sane people can believe in unproven assertions. In addition, these statements are very primitive.

Correct. The hardest part here is explaining someone who doesn't want to know your belief at all or don't mind it anyway.
That is true even if you have proof still they won't believe you because they have their own mindset and their own belief.
We respect them of course as long as they respect ours.

[SirPol85]

Believers need no evidence. It is enough that they themselves believe. I believe that they are sick. How do sane people can believe in unproven assertions. In addition, these statements are very primitive.

Correct. The hardest part here is explaining someone who doesn't want to know your belief at all or don't mind it anyway.
That is true even if you have proof still they won't believe you because they have their own mindset and their own belief.
We respect them of course as long as they respect ours.

I don't believe in the existence of life after death. There is no evidence of the existence of the afterlife. Psychics who say that know how to talk with spirits they really are just crooks. I do not believe them!

[transabox]

Believers need no evidence. It is enough that they themselves believe. I believe that they are sick. How do sane people can believe in unproven assertions. In addition, these statements are very primitive.

Correct. The hardest part here is explaining someone who doesn't want to know your belief at all or don't mind it anyway.
That is true even if you have proof still they won't believe you because they have their own mindset and their own belief.
We respect them of course as long as they respect ours.

I don't believe in the existence of life after death. There is no evidence of the existence of the afterlife. Psychics who say that know how to talk with spirits they really are just crooks. I do not believe them!

And I believe it. I do not want to know that there is nothing after death. I am sure that only the body dies, but the soul of man is immortal.

[Dem-artini]

Believers need no evidence. It is enough that they themselves believe. I believe that they are sick. How do sane people can believe in unproven assertions. In addition, these statements are very primitive.

Correct. The hardest part here is explaining someone who doesn't want to know your belief at all or don't mind it anyway.
That is true even if you have proof still they won't believe you because they have their own mindset and their own belief.
We respect them of course as long as they respect ours.

I don't believe in the existence of life after death. There is no evidence of the existence of the afterlife. Psychics who say that know how to talk with spirits they really are just crooks. I do not believe them!

And I believe it. I do not want to know that there is nothing after death. I am sure that only the body dies, but the soul of man is immortal.

There is nothing after death. Emptiness. Do not rely on the afterlife. Live now. It makes no sense to give up existing benefits of life in a fictitious heaven or hell. Even great saints were not born again.

[Losvienleg]

After death you will go to the Purgatory, where you will wait for your judgement, at the end of the times. Then you will end up for eternity in Heaven or in Hell.

And your proof of this is what?

The Holy Bible. You will not have much problems searching for the exact pages on the Internet.

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After death you will go to the Purgatory, where you will wait for your judgement, at the end of the times. Then you will end up for eternity in Heaven or in Hell.

And your proof of this is what?

The Holy Bible. You will not have much problems searching for the exact pages on the Internet.

A fantasy book! No more accurate than Lord of the Rings or Harry Potter.

Sorry, more proof needed.

[fikihafana]

There's been a question that's been bugging me for a long, long time now. What happens when you die? From someones side nothing, other say that your go to their versions of heaven and yet some say that we reincarnate.

That thing got me so bad that a few time's I've been on the verge of killing myself just to see what's happening then, it's killing me to think about it. What are your thoughts? I'm not interested in the christian or virgin filled muslim heaven, I'm interested in your ideas and what are your ideas on what might happen? One theory that stuck with me is that we are born again but in the different time or just born in the same timeline but as soon as you die, you're reborn on some other place.

Little proof that life after death there is Heaven or hell, i dont want to talk too much in this forum

If I kill your mother you will definitely punish me in order to create fairness, but what if you can not find me? The answer is you do not get justice, therefore hell created for those who do not get justice in the world.

There is hitler, Shiro Ishii,pol pot, Josef Stalin, theese people in an evil, they kill thousand or million human. In this case i choose hitler, hitler make WW and kill million human and no one can punish him, he did suicide. Let say you can punish hitler, what will you do with hitler?? Kill him, burn him, torment him?? is that enough?

Hitler:victim
1 : 1.000.000

You punish him once so
1:999.999

Is this enough? there are so many victim now still 999.999, you have to punish him 1.000.000, huh??

Let say he reincarnate to be something diffrent and not as a human, so he need reincarnate 1.000.000. If he reincarnate as a musquito, wow he is very easy to kill huh? it's not sense

If reincarnation is a way to Punish hitler, i will say it's not sense.

If I can not be found and if there is no heaven and hell, surely I will do a lot of negative things to make me happy, I will be raped someone, I will kill people and I would rob people. Because nothing is going to punish me, and i will happy if i can reincarnation, so i can be better or the worst again huh??

[frendsento]

Believers need no evidence. It is enough that they themselves believe. I believe that they are sick. How do sane people can believe in unproven assertions. In addition, these statements are very primitive.

Correct. The hardest part here is explaining someone who doesn't want to know your belief at all or don't mind it anyway.
That is true even if you have proof still they won't believe you because they have their own mindset and their own belief.
We respect them of course as long as they respect ours.

I don't believe in the existence of life after death. There is no evidence of the existence of the afterlife. Psychics who say that know how to talk with spirits they really are just crooks. I do not believe them!

Thats Your opinion and your opinion also has no evidence because no one has ever prroved if there is a life or their is nothing after death ! but for me I believe it has ! when we die where are going to the place we are destined to be and that is the Creator of the heaven and earth , the Creator of all the existence you've seen during your lifetime ! because nothing ever existed if there nothing created it ? and that is the true evidence !

[Losvienleg]

After death you will go to the Purgatory, where you will wait for your judgement, at the end of the times. Then you will end up for eternity in Heaven or in Hell.

And your proof of this is what?

The Holy Bible. You will not have much problems searching for the exact pages on the Internet.

Did you guys know that The Holy Bible is is 80% cases reason why people decided to become atheists? There are many ways that Bible can be understood, and people often tend to understand it wrong. Too many people have dont some terrible things because of Bible, so live that book aside. Live life by moral rules, and everyone will be happy...

If you like this or not, the Holy Bible is at the root of our conception of what is good and what is not. The 10 Commandments are at the root of the morality.

[Cherry Girl]

After death you will go to the Purgatory, where you will wait for your judgement, at the end of the times. Then you will end up for eternity in Heaven or in Hell.

And your proof of this is what?

The Holy Bible. You will not have much problems searching for the exact pages on the Internet.

Did you guys know that The Holy Bible is is 80% cases reason why people decided to become atheists? There are many ways that Bible can be understood, and people often tend to understand it wrong. Too many people have dont some terrible things because of Bible, so live that book aside. Live life by moral rules, and everyone will be happy...

If you like this or not, the Holy Bible is at the root of our conception of what is good and what is not. The 10 Commandments are at the root of the morality.

Name me one person who keeps all the 10 commandments. There is no such. Additionally, good intentions pave the road to hell. Religion under the guise of morality making a black case and it is not uncommon! Religion is a lie.

[Daniel91]

After death you will go to the Purgatory, where you will wait for your judgement, at the end of the times. Then you will end up for eternity in Heaven or in Hell.

And your proof of this is what?

The Holy Bible. You will not have much problems searching for the exact pages on the Internet.

Did you guys know that The Holy Bible is is 80% cases reason why people decided to become atheists? There are many ways that Bible can be understood, and people often tend to understand it wrong. Too many people have dont some terrible things because of Bible, so live that book aside. Live life by moral rules, and everyone will be happy...

If you like this or not, the Holy Bible is at the root of our conception of what is good and what is not. The 10 Commandments are at the root of the morality.

Name me one person who keeps all the 10 commandments. There is no such. Additionally, good intentions pave the road to hell. Religion under the guise of morality making a black case and it is not uncommon! Religion is a lie.

I can name a few: Jesus, Francis of Assisi, Mother Theresa etc.
If you can't keep 10 commandments, it doesn't mean that such commandments are unrealistic and out of reach for us.
In fact, 10 commandments are root of today's morality and law in our societies.
Religion talks about fundamental issue like origin of the universe, root of sin, salvation, absolute moral standards etc.
Philosophers and scientists have thousands of ideas on these issues but no so much concrete answers, which they can prove as true.
So, I still prefer religious truth as unchanging and absolute.
Human truth is changeable and relative and it's fact.