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I see several threads at least made every day about how to get out of newbie status and similar things because of the requirement of being online for at least 4 hours while posting at least 5 posts. I was wondering is it really that hard to get out of newbie status? I mean if you really care, spend 10 minutes and post 5 quick posts and then leave your computer on for 4 hours and refresh say every 15 minutes while staying logged in? I don't get why so many people are worried about sneaking out of newbie status.

And anyway, I can honestly say that once I came out of newbie status, while it was interesting at first and I browsed the other sub forums some, the newbie  sub forum is still the sub forum which I spend the most of my time in compared to the other sub forums.

I rather like the Newbie subforum and will miss my status once my time is up.

It is a bit inconvenient, but I understand the reason for it.

It's not hard, but it is very annoying. The newbie restrictions didn't exist when I joined, but if they had, I wouldn't have cared enough to try and get out. I still think we should get rid of the newbie restrictions

I never understood why new members have a problem with it either.  Maybe us bitcoiners tend to be impulsive and want everything right away? 

Its definitely annoying as others have said but it is needed. I could see it being tough for the many who don't really care to be that active here as far as posting/ reading alot of the minutia.

Sometimes people don't want to be stuck at (or at least near) their computer for 4 hours so that they can refresh every once in a while. Given the nature of bitcoin, that's probably not the case for most bitcoiners, but it is for some.

A little frustrating, because my Feathercoin pool is getting hacked, atm, and I have no way of telling the admin my wallet address is incorrect. Other then that, I understand the reasoning behind it

agree

it takes its time unfortunately

I don't think 4 hours restriction's intention was to make one "refresh every once in a while". I believe the real reason is to spend these 4 hours productively on familiarizing yourself with bitcoin and the forum.

whats funny, is threads like this one can bang out the newbie status quite fast.

The 4 hours browsing isn't the hard part.  It's having to post 5 times in the newbie forum on threads you may not want to in order to post on other parts of the forum.

True, just found question in developers section I can answer or I could if I weren't stuck in this limbo.                                                                                                                                                                         

I understand the reason for it, but like others said sometimes it can be annoying, especially if I see something I want to reply to.

It is annoying since I rather post very specific questions/comments in a threads where the OP has a chance of reading and answering. But hard, no.

why even have a newbie status?

Nope took only 4 hours. The worst was the 4 hours :)

I haven't seen one Viagra advert since I've been here, that's why...

K.

That. And I think they try to cut down on people making multiple accounts for give-aways etc. Seems like a necessary evil tbh.

I like it, it doesn't really bother me. Since I am new I have loads to read anyway and it helps stop people signing up and spamming the regular forum and also stops bots from signing up and spamming. I have been on forums before and every day they had 20 - 30 users joining and just spamming adverts for various products all over the place.

Regards,

Martin.

A necessary evil, but like me, i bet plenty of people only initially signed up here to finally contribute to a thread.

Getting put in quarantine, then becomes frustating.

im at 4 hours 24 minutes and still in newbie status. :(

EDIT 4 hours 25. im set free :D

It's psychologically difficult because people, especially the tech-savvy types here, have become used to immediate gratification in the modern technological age.

Is annoying... but close to get out  ;)

I'm pretty sure it wasn't to make one refresh once in a while. I was just pointing out, for someone who really wants to get out without having to actively browse, that's a good way to do it.

That's the interesting part in my opinion. Normally if I find a forum that I feel like I'm going to be lurking I will sign up for an account right away even if I don't use it, it takes like 3 minutes or something:). Many people wait and then there annoyed about quarantine, and I understand why as you said, however I just think people should sign up for an account when they first start lurking.

I agree. It really isn't that hard.  :)

The posting restriction is really annoying.

1. Smart, witty name... props to you.
2. I am not minding this newbie status... however it will be much better when I get rid of it ;)

It's a bit annoying since I'm a lurker type. I wouldn't be posting that newbie zone has its purpose since it's already been mentioned earlier in the thread but trying hoping to get out of here eventually I'm posting this anyway.

I don't see the problem. I joined to ask a question (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=195335.0), posted it in the newbie forum, and soon enough I will have satisfied the other requirements just by using the site normally.

Tis a tad annoying...what can ya do though?

Because there is a flood of new people and most don't even notice the fucking sticky on newbie requirements. Do we really want a bunch of newbs who csnt even read a basic sticky immediate access to all the forums to flood an already packed forum with useless posts because they can't read even basic sticky threads.

It's about as annoying as a red light. You stop, look at the time, sigh, look around some more, then go.

Well we just have to post then

I got whitelisted like a boss.  8)

it's really stupid not to be able to post on forum, unless you spend 4 hours on it... Actually I'm on this forum like for 1 month..didn't bother to register though

it's anoying but posting random pointless posts like this makes it faster... hopfully

seems hard work getting ability to post here :D

It's really a small price to pay that helps out the mods a bit. You would do the same if you were in their shoes. It is what it is...

Moderating new users more carefully would surely be more respectful than disallowing replies in the regular threads.

Having to make 5 filler posts first definitely puts a dumper on the initial impulse to contribute. Maybe that initial impulse will return once I'm approved. Will it still be 'initial impulse' then? Time will tell if there's even an impulse.

One thing is sure, many relevant BTC related topics have already been discussed, so a few searches through the vast archive pre-empted the need to post at all.

Not really, its quiet simple, and if you wanna share something, just comment until your done :) within expected ways ofcourse

Possibly a manual switch the mods need to flick.. 4hrs 7 mins here still a n000b

Freedom! Maybe 1 post past the 4 hour mark does it

They don't have to be "filler" posts. There are some interesting discussions even in the Newbie forum that one can legitimately contribute to.

please let me out of this status :)

pool server is crashing all the time :(

It is a small price to pay if it keeps the forums advertisement/Spam free :P

I agree. It really all right.

Leaving the computer alone does not seem to increase my time though.  I've had this open 2 days now with "no timeout" feature selected, and I'm stuck in the 36 minute range.

it creates more spam in the newbie forums, which makes it kind of frustrating to view.  Why not add phone number or e-mail verification to improve status faster, and then add a Captcha on each post.... wouldn't that make more sense to prevent spam bots?

now I have to start an auto it bot to press F5 for the next 4 hours, what's the point?

woot!  Auto it bot seems to do the trick. 1 hour now :P

is not difficult, just be active on the forum I think

Well you can take my example, i've been surfing on bitcointalk for a few months now, just created an account a few days ago, and i need to post on such topics in order to get out of the newbie status, even though i have more than 10hours logged in with my newly created account :)

Newbie status is not hard.  A few posts and a few hours.  My only mistake was not realizing it existed - so I did all my FAQ reading as a guest.  Would have burned the time weeks ago.

I've been here for weeks and decided I should reg today and now I'm posting mostly useless post, like this on.

Same here - I've been following the wall observer thread for weeks, but not commenting.

When I decided to say something, i found I couldn't. So now, this is my last spammy message before I can get down to some hard core economics...
I'M FREE!!!!

I understand the process but their must be a better way. Many people join the forum when a pool problem occurs and feel the need to post within the pool's section but are unable to because of the 5 post restriction (4 hours is easy), but finding worthwhile posts to reply to are harder to come by.
Maybe a trial period in the pools forum only would be better, the moderators do hang out there as well.

I agree, people will just get pissed off when they can't post.
I wonder what anyone is gaining with these rules?

For someone who mostly lurks, the 5 posts requirement is a tough one.

It's a pain in the ass, but at least it prevents heaps of spam accounts posting on the main forums

The 5 posts is pretty easy, there are quite a few decent threads in here.

Regards,

Martin.

I agree, it's far too tedious for spammers to make an account with these regulations :P

+1, I always thought that the 4 hour requirement, not the 5 posts requirement would be the hard one. There are at least several good threads and I think if someone wanted too they could get 5 posts in 10 minutes tops. Though that's just how it was for me.

I made an account just because I saw something interesting and wanted to reply. Guess I can't....

I was newbie 20 yrs. ago.

That's true, but at least all the spam is restricted to one sub-forum. I'm pretty sure you need an e-mail to register and e-mail verification doesn't make a big difference since it takes 3 minutes to create an email these days. I wouldn't like a phone number verification though because I don't like giving out my phone number. Captcha in each post would prevent spam bots but could get annoying for non spam bots.

The think the forum is gaining is that they can limit all of their 'spam' theoretically to one sub-forum. The thing I've noticed is the newbie forum seems to have more moderators than other forums and I think that in a sense is to help limit their spam. I agree though with maybe a trial period in the pools forum but I posted by pools forum questions in the newbie section and they were answered quickly.

Its really annoying to wait this thing.

Sounds to me like an unnecessary maturity test.

Just say a short sentence that adds something to the discussion.  Not all that hard...

I do accept the newbie status with no problem, I guess it is needed to prevent spam and make some sort of filtering !

As this is my first post :P

5 Post is ok but 4 hours of online time is too much.

This is completely untenable. A significant number of competent developers are staying away from this forum because of these posting requirements antics.

I'm not willing to lower the quality of my posts just to break out of newbie-land.  I originally joined this board to PM a seller on the market board; I ended up spending my coins elsewhere.

As a so called newbie I also find this system very annoying.
I have read this forum for quite some time and am quite heavily involved in LTC and have had no reason to create an account here until now. I now need to pm one of the pool operators through hear and cannot till i go through this ritual.  ???

Creative captchas are a better means for that. The current system is just completely gameable using widespread forum bot source and simple text templates.

Finally not a newbie

It removes the incentive to lurk.

I lurk forums and post relatively infrequently, it's just what I do. Not only does this give me a much better overview of the forum's mentality and norms, but it also cuts the chance of me asking stupid questions that already have a thousand answers elsewhere.

I've been lurking unregistered on this forum for just over a month, it was rather patronizing to be lumped into the "Newbies" section for this.

On the other hand, if I had registered and asked a couple inane questions like "how do I mine with the normal client help guys" then I would have been accelerated to the status of a full member far faster - how counter-intuitive! Other forums I visit support what I am going to term 'lazy registration' (after the Functional Programming concept), in which you only register when you first want to post. The only disadvantage to this lazy registration is being seen as a newbie in the eyes of the populace, but that is hardly a problem with an easy solution and is often insignificant enough not to warrant addressing in the first place.

I think this system needs rethinking - what problem(s) does it address?

• Bot spam
  • Bots can adapt to the system rather easily, maybe imitating someone with a shaky grasp on English with some word templates and markov chains.
  • Captchas were designed to solve this problem, don't reinvent the wheel - you might find that your wheel is not as round as you first thought.
• Newbies asking incessant questions in the wrong sections
  • They can and will and do still do this after they are removed from the newbies group.
  • Warnings/bans and topic moves solves this problem rather well
• Something else?

It also looks like a lot of people think the same:

And that those who don't think the same have rather flawed reasons:
These points I addressed above.

Additionally, if you want some stone cold proof that people make unconstructive posts after being revoked of their newbie status, look no further than the posts immediately before and after mine.

Edit: One final point I would like to add is that to have all of your posts quarantined in a barely-read high-turnover forum without any categorization system whatsoever is insanity: what's the point in making a load of posts if nobody is going to read them?

same  8)

This. Amazing how you could find the patience for writing all of this up despite knowing it will be lost in all the rubble in a few minutes.

I am still newbie :)

Meh it doesn't seem like a terrible policy.

So you have to comment on random things before you can ask your real question? A bit annoying but their house, their rules.

From my standpoint I feel like 5 posts here is hard to get. I am personally under the assumption posting things should mean something. Words mean more when you say them less often.

I've been on the page for weeks but signed up yesterday.  I've done 5 posts, left the page open and constantly refreshed it over the past 16 hours and it only says i've only been logged in for 3 hours and 36 mins.... so there's something wrong. I've been typing papers for the past 2 days so I haven't really left my computer. 

The noob terms are reasonable but the 4 post thing is kinda dumb.  Many noob posts get deleted because the're spam and the moderators found it.   

I think the quality of this site would improve if noobs were accepted based on the intellectual content of a post or two and not because they hit 'reply' repeatedly.  Moderators should have the power to fast-track the noob status of valuable members.

You have to actively browse the forums, not just refresh it. But you're nearly there anyway so welcome to the forums.

It does take time but i can see the value in having the rule

I am still newbie  :(

It's hard when you need to respond to something like I do now. My situation is that I have been mining at hynodeva.com and was up to about 55 FTC in my account as of yesterday before I went to sleep. I left my cgminer running and when I woke up today I went to check what I was up to(should've been about 75-80 FTC) and now I see zero...NOT a good feeling for me.

+1

I am to:(

I'd been lurking for a bit (definitely >4 hours) and a bit annoyed that I couldn't respond to a forum or two. That being said, I do recognize that the requirement cuts down on spam.

I'm ok with the 5 posts, I'm already at 8. But having to use the site for 4 hours is a bit of a killjoy. I am waiting to ask a question about multibit...and I just have to sit around here for the next 3.5 hours until I can ask my question.

They should open up the tech support forum to newbs.

comment.

Excellent thoughts.

This is why I should have registered back when I started browsing this forum instead of... well, just now. :-\

If I understand correctly, the newbie status is the first step to implement something like this (http://xkcd.com/810/).

It especially sucks when you are an experienced user that haven't signed up to the forum.
But I guess it's "the price to pay" be overwhelmed by dumb questions.

I was newbie 20 yrs. ago.

yep

yep  :D

How long do threads like this normally float at the top of the forum?

Patience...

It doesn't take that long really.

Guess I should get the last few posts needed out of the way, then.

Is there a process time or something after you've completed the requirements?

I hate it when forums implement Newbie status and requirements.

Nothing but very user unfriendly and potentially rejects anyone potentially interested in Bitcoin or this community.

Not a fan here, I prefer to lurk, and then when I do want to reply to a thread it has silly rules

Yes...I am still newbie ;D

Yeah, problem is: Experienced users are forced to spam around before they can join the discussion for which they signed up.
So now I have to make 5 spamposts just to ask one legit question.

So true !!!
hehehe !

The 4 hours was painful ;(

Probably until newbies find a better place to build up their post count

+1

i ma elder newbie...

I don't get it how do I upgrade my status?

What are the real advantages of getting out of newbie status?

counting 4 hours...

I think its a good way to keep the occasional spammer or one-time questioner away from this site. There is always bitcoins.stackoverflow.com for quick questions.

This shall be my second newbie post. I hope this thread grows into a long one. Long live this thread.

 ;)

Also, why can't I create PMs yet? I thought my first post would allow me to do that.

5 POSTS! BUT I'M ANGRY NOW! WTF?   ;D

Nevermind, it just takes a while for new posts to flush into the system. I just successfully posted a new message.

Hey look, this is my fifth post. Long live this thread! May it grow long and mighty. ;D

The newbie thing isn't that hard, I guess... But it does seem to make me want to post a few unimportant posts just to get my 5 in... Guess this thread is as good a place as any!

I joined the forum simply to post on a thread I'd found on a Google search. By the time I'm allowed to post, my comment will be long past meaningful.

ohh, yes!

It's annoying when you've already stalked the forum w/o registering for hours on end trying to find the answers you need --- read everything you can and want to and then by the time you give up and decide to ask for help, realize you can't... :'(

Feels like there is alot of better ways to stop spam then this 5-post thing, but maby that's just me

not really i guess

im newbie & will try my best :D

Lmao.. This about sums it up for many a people that register here, I'm sure. But, at least you know where everything is. I guess that's another reason, as stated before, for the noobie status. So on top of excluding all the spam and BS, it also makes one have to go through this Noob forum to read through for four hours while searching for places to effectively post lol. How many actually read anything, though, is another discussion altogether lmfao. XD

newb initiation...embrace it

^^

I should have signed up when I first started lurking. In the future, I'll be careful to check if other boards having similar policies.

I dont see the point in it - just some power freak going crazy imho

well if someone wants to get around it with a script they can, it only punishes the real people.  No offence but the conversation here isn't quite as good as elsewhere : ) ok maybe not true

Yes, but the script would have to wait 4 hours refreshing. That may not be attractive to spammers who want to post messages in seconds.

So five posts in four hours is the thing? How peculiar!

i hate the newbie status. :D

Newb here to the forum, been mining for awhile though.. I understand the 5 post min..

Down with noob status
!

It's mostly fair but can be a pain if you have been a lurker that suddenly realizes you want to post then get held up as a newb, but I guess you only have one person to blame for that!  ;)

The person who decides to only tell you about the newbie trap at the very last step of registration?

And that should make five, now just to wait...

still....

5 Posts really isn't that big of a deal. There are some forums out there that require 20+ posts in order to unlock certain features.

Not that hard no

The fact that it's not the worst out there doesn't absolve it of its failings.

Jet another noob here ^^

This is the first time I've seen a browsing time being a restriction for a forum...

Yeah first time I encountered something like this as well..
And I've been browsing for a while here, but never felt the need to post. Now that I did want to post, I can't after registering :(

For some reason I have 10 posts and also 4+ hours but still I am a newbie :/

Or maybe not nvm, just got my status changed. Yay!!

Still waiting for my 'time on forum' to count up,  been stuck at < hr now for a few days even though i've been idling on the page logged in.

WTF, just wanted to make one post 3 days ago  :/

It was hilarious to see Adam Back in newbie jail a short while ago :)

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1clp0f/adam_back_the_inventor_of_hashcash_and_mining_in/

 ;D

Its the worst

it is understandable, but still a bit frustrating

Just a matter of time before we are considered to be human :P

I want the free Ripples, it won't be long now.

Five posts down. Tick-tock. I knew I should have registered in January when I began reading bitcointalk. I wouldn't have to deal with newbie probation now, which is particularly frustrating since I finally have a need to really ost in a non-newbie topic.

guess that's one way to get out of it... thanks for the useful thread :)

SO close yet so far :o

Damn shame  i got into the game late

I thought you can only get free Ripples if registered to the forum in February or earlier?

Yes newbie status sucks I remember it and dread it.  :D

I like the newbie sub forum... but I can't wait to get into the other forums!

I'm logged past 4 hours and have more than 5 posts and am still a newbie. Am I doing something wrong?

In some post 5h and 10 replies

I think it's a paranoid and unnecessary regulation imposed by a central authority that doesn't deserve to be in power and is terrified that the truth will usurp their comfortable station in life.

There should be less hours.

IT's a silly reason.  4 hours is a long time.

too hard to be newbie cant post or reply on the other topic

-0

Don't think newbie status is necessary. Oh well. 3 more

This newbie status leads to more spamming in this subforum, but if nobody cares ;) ...

I guess the time restriction is kind of useful, but the postings are unnecessary

Yeah, I understand it, but it was frustrating when I needed help and couldn't get it, then realized all this time lurking was wasted.

Don't like the restriction, but have to go through it. Just start by posting my 1st post.

feel the same way.

want to dive into mining hardware topics, but have to go through the probation.

Hello,

My first post here  :)

Newbie status is hard :(

My first post too...

Hey!
Hi!
Hello!

It's my first post on this forum.

Hello world... bitcoin world :)

I heard there will be a bitcoin conference in San Jose, California, USA this month. Do anyone have more details about the coming conference?

http://www.bitcoin2013.com/

Thanks m5750xx.
I was looking for this.

well, I found more information about the conference in this link;
http://www.bitcoin2013.com/

It's the same link ...

Yeah, I think you beat me by a key stroke :)

Same here, actually a good thing I think.

I have met the requirements, with 4 posts and 11 hours, and am still a newbie. So it's kind of annoying.

These are the most bizarre forum joining rules I ever came across, I really don't care that much to join a forum...

This entire newbie concept is quite a burden. Ive read through posts in the general discussion I've wanted to post on and can't because of this implementation. I could have contributed to a couple threads but instead found myself closing the fuking forum because was so annoyed with this BS. Find another solution to spam accounts, this is not the answer. It's hard telling if I'll return after I make this post because I'll probably lose interest and forget all about this place. Not going to sit around for hours waiting.

How likely is it getting a legitimate reply to forum post in this newbie forum anyway? I made a post and waiting for a reply. Are there any knowledgeable members that actually read through this disgrace of a section?

Guessing people are anxious to get into the giveaway threads.. It is kinda a strange hoop to have to jump through.

Had that problem also... made another post, logged out/in, and waited another few minutes (not sure which fixed it) and then Newbie flag was gone... /shrug

The n00b concept is sound, but the annoyance is no open notice about it.

It should be clearly stated when you register, exactly what will happen and what is expected.

I have browsed these forums for a few weeks, I generally never register to forums until I want to post, and I don't like bothering people unless I absolutely have to, I only knew about some sort of newbie restriction because of someone onposting a PM on a newbies behalf in a thread I was monitoring, to find the actual rules I had to go digging.

Basically you register and then you can't do anything, and the FAQ tells you nothing about why you can't post, that's dissapointing, the rules of being a newbie should be the first thing you read after you register.

So anyway, there's my opinion on the matter and as my first post hopefully I can now PM so I can go jump onboard a group order. woohoo! ciao for now!

My first post here

Of course it's hard. We will not post anything usefull being newbies anyway.

And for bots it's not really an obstacle. I do not see point in this.

A turing test..

My second post I don't know what to write.

still allot of work compared to other forums

Nope

Final post to escape!!  bye!

It's not too hard.  Just have to get more posts under your belt, and browse the various posts.  You'll be out in no time!

its a bit annoying but i see why it was made for ...

These are the most bizarre forum joining rules I ever came across, I really don't care that much to join a forum...

It's like a straight jacket that forces you to waste some SQL space  ;D

It's a good thing

The main goal must be write useful stuff instead of just, this is my second post, I think that's why newbies are locked out.

well got to get started some how right?

..and that's why I'm still here after 12 hours logged in. Oh look... my 2nd post. One day I'll be free  ;D

Final post to escape!!  bye!

Making posts is so hard... I almost fell off my chair.  :P

What is Newbie Status?


jk :D well if anybody is going to miss the obvious answers it would be new people :)

Nope

I think its a reasonable thing to do. As a newbie I don't mind it.

Nope not at all.  Just have to wait a bit.

I find it somewhat weird to post just for the sake of posting. However, I understand how this protects the forum from unwanted spam.

Understond too, but i dnt have feel like newbie.

I dont get how the total time logged in is calculated, i lurk these forums all day, and it stays on the same amount

seem to make sense to me. but can't they check IP? maybe there are public computers such as library that they don't want to exclude?  :)

Want to bid on some shares. Can't wait for this to be up!

Yes! I get wrapped up reading a thread, decide to comment, then realize I'm not allowed to... Can't believe I still don't even have 2 hours logged!

lol this is not all that bad / 4hours and 5 posts lolz :)

Yes I remember my newbie days, and they suck. they really do.

You can see it right under your "hello %username%" caption on the top as well as under "profile" -> "show stats".
Make sure to ctrl+f5 your web browser in case it's stored somewhere in cookies.
And how it is calculated - it's a different story.. I've had problems with it too, but never figured it out sine my newbies ended pretty fast

The Jr. Status is as hard as the Newbie Status, if not harder.

Nevermind, it just takes a while for new posts to flush into the system. I just successfully posted a new message.

It's a walk in the park 100%  :P

Hey! my first post ever!
 :-X

Its definitely annoying as others have said but it is needed. I could see it being tough for the many who don't really care to be that active here as far as posting/ reading alot of the minutia

5 Posts is just great.

followed your advice on refreshing and installed autorefresh addon for ffox to reload page every 5 secs
counter goes up nicely now.

It's funny how I've spent much much more than 4 hours on these forums while being unregistered

I think just write sensible things and help the forum :)

Need to wait 4 hours, thats understandable ... but why 5 post limit :? just need to make some random useless post like this to get out of newbie section. Need to think it through...

coins have been paid to the payoutaddress which was set in your account.

hynodeva

Yes 4h is very hard

Took me quite some time to even find this board. The rules wouldn't be so bad if they were posted in a FAQ page linked to the menu so us newbies know what to do. I'm still looking for a reply button... Do you have to quote a post? Is that the only way to reply?

Leaving the browser open will be difficult after this post.

Why is the newbie status in place please?
I'm sure there is a reason, but I don't know where to start looking for that reason.
I have learnt quite a bit, thinking about it, but I don't tend to learn very well, in a linear fashion, like reading through things in order. My mind tends to seize up once I try to give it a bit of order and control, so I tend to dip in and out, as if it were a big textbook, and I was dipping in and out of different random pages, depending on what area of expertise I was wanting to learn at that time.
Anyway, this post is in danger of getting boring, so..............:P

WTF, 5 posts and a 4 hours of casual browsing?  It's easy.

It took me three days to find this board. Finally.

It would be great if this board was moved up to the "Bitcoin" section of the message board, so Newbies will SEE it. I was interested in all the talk going on towards the top of the message board, and had no idea I had to scroll down to discover the Newbie section.

It's easy if you know those are the rules. I couldn't find this forum or anything that said 4 hours of browsing/ 5 posts for three days cause I was reading all the cool discussions above this forum. I finally find this folder after scrolling.

Here's my random first post replying to your random first post. Cue Inception music...

I think the hilarious parroting of shared opinions in this thread to inflate post-count is absolutely impossible to criticize without becoming part of the very same problem… We’re all here to post, but posting feels so disingenuous in a thread like this as we don’t actually get anywhere. 

The worst part is, this post is hypocritical – I wouldn't even bother to comment on the absurdity of this thread if it didn't help me get out of newbie status!

gotta follow the rules i guess... so jumping on the wagon!

Want to buy asic from group buy....so...here we go...

Newbs have more fun than anyone!!  ;)

still....

Bumping for non newbie status ;)

It's easy, there are so many threads that you will allways find a nice one to reply in

So in order to get ouf of newbie status we just write something where we have a reply button... seems rather silly...

How long do threads like this normally float at the top of the forum?

I missed out on buy 10,000 CNC from a guy, because I didnt realize I was stuck in newbie status.. then the coin jumped up to .003 /BTC and I could have made some loot.. lol better luck next time I guess..

Don't ask a newbie!

I don't get it, I've been clicking around on different threads while logged in, but it doesn't seem like my time logged in is advancing... Hence, another comment, to see if that helps.

I'm finding the commenting part of being a newbie is WAY easier than the time part...

LOL!

I can't top that answer.

I'm new here, but I've been a BBS'er and forum rat since, oh, about 1976. I have no problem with a "newbie" section. It's an easy twit filter for the admins, and on a popular forum you NEED an easy twit forum. It gets rid of the easy twits. Unfortunately, that doesn't weed out the hardcore twits, but it does cut down the administrative overhead.

And frankly, 5 posts and four hours ain't shit.

This is all about spam. I hate it all.
Currently the worst kind of spam are phone calls advertising.

Hmmm, lurking is giving me zero time! What, do I have to post every 5 minutes to keep my logged in clock moving? The closer I get to 4 hrs, the slower my clock moves... I feel like I'm being punked.

I hate that I have to browse around for 4 freaking hours. The minimum post isn't that bad. That's normal and easy to get.

I'm not sure if I have some setting wrong in one of my browsers or something, because just browsing around isn't doing it for me! I actually have to keep making comments... I wouldn't complain in a comment, except it's killing two birds with one stone.

I dont have that problem atm, so IDK dude.

There should be less hours.

Yeah, the 4 hours of browsing is kind of annoying.

I wish I had registered a long time ago, because I have already spent hours browsing the forums as a guest.  Oh well, it shouldn't take too long to get out of this newbie state.

I feel like i am not a noob, i joined just to answer someones post they were having trouble with something... Now i gotta try and make 5 meaningful posts... hmmm :-\

Hey, if this gate-keeper method is truly effective, than the quality of the posts should be at least marginally better outside the newb area than inside the newb area. But I haven't really noticed a difference. Hmmmmm...

Two more minutes, and I can post where I want! And by now I've discovered there's plenty to keep me busy just in the newbie zone!

+1

The time logged on counter seems to stop counting if inactive too...

First post.

I've been reading this forum for over 18 months but never had anything useful to say. I signed up to claim bounty for adapting cpuminer to scrypt-jane. I need to make 5 posts before I can reply to that thread. I don't like this very much, because I have to make five useless posts before I can post something useful that people actually wanted. I tend to think it makes post quality worse because it does nothing to stop people who have a lot of nothing to say.

What's a "Newbie"?  ;D

First Post!

Newbies suffer "anxiety"... LOL

I'm mostly in agreement with the other people saying "I wish I'd known" so that my time spent curiously browsing the other boards would have counted in my favor. I only made an account when I wanted to reply and was surprised by the Newbie restrictions. Hopefully the services I hoped to barter haven't gone to another poster by the end of my four hours.  :D

I will make sure that I warn other people about the Newbie restriction when I direct them to this board, though. I have at least one friend browsing right now, and his own Newbie status would probably be less than painful if he was building up board time while lurking.

SO close yet so far

Well there is a reason, I need to post on another section.
I guess I will just have to wait...

Still waiting... :D

There should be less hours.

No.

still....

I've served 3 hours and 20 minutes of my newbie sentence.

40 more gruelling minutes to go.

not, just to help the forum with your posts and help people who need :)

I'm fed up with NEWBIE status, as i've got some genuine questions etc... (This bumps me another post  ;D )

Never

I Think 4 Hours isn't hard to completed, you can read many post to learn all about this forum.

You're; the 4h resistriction is...

Got a few posts and logged 4+ hours. Still can't post anywhere else....

The fact that you need to create a newbie status in order to avoid scammers and spammers is an interesting commentary on the community.

^ i like this. its a good idea.

No.

At least you don't have to pay like on the wiki...

It's a walk in the park, you'll never want to leave.

That's true, the scammers are a good sign indeed, sounds strange but I get it.

Yes it is...

+1

No

Yes it is.

It's hard if you're in a hurry to post outside the newbie forum.   :)

The 4 hour restriction is kind of silly. I spent probably 50+ hours lurking this site before creating an account, but have to leave my account logged in for 4 hours just so I can post in the auction threads :(

The four hours is the worst part of the requirement for people that lurked for months beforehand.  I wanted to make a post in the discussion board, but by the time I'll get the four hours, it'll be too late since I only spend a about ~20 minutes a day here.  The five posts are really easy to get.

Agreed, I've been lurking and only registered now to post in a specific thread

Newbie status is silly if you want to participate in auctions. I am interested in ASICMiner shares but can't bid or ask questions.

kinda annoying

Do you get logged out after 15 mins? That is a really silly requirement.

+1

I see people saying the 4 hour restriction isn't a big deal because it gives you a chance to read some posts and learn more about cryptocurrencies.  However, if you've already spent hundreds of hours reading posts before registering to post in a thread that's actually interesting and worth posting in, spending 4 hours "learning" is probably moot.

very very hard
I have 7 posts and no way to post on other forum...

Agreed. They should just make you solve a tonne of captchas.

I like the "Newbie" approach much much cleaner forum FTW  ;D

Thanks for the advice  :P

Time logged in has stopped going up? What is up with that?

So how does this "Be 4 hours online" thing work exactly.
I've been browsing this forum the last couple of hours and only have:

Curse of the newbies  :o

How these people that say they have been lurking for years have never been aware of the newbie limitations?

I want to get out of newbie status :)

So I've been logged in reading posts for quite some time, but just noticed that it shows my logged in time as 0 minutes...Does it only count logged in time from the time of the first post? (I read some comments that seemed to allude to that possibility).

Well, if that is the case..... doh! SMH

Do you have cookies turned off? That might be a problem. This is my first post but I already see I have a total logged in time of 3 minutes.

For me it shows:
Total Time Spent Online:  40 minutes.

...and this is my very first post.
So you shouldn't have to have posted before it counts your online minutes.

HTH.

Second that! It starts counting from first log in, my first post just happened, and it says "total Time logged in 15 minutes"

Not sure what's going on for you guys with the no time or time stopped problems. I posted a couple things and went browsing the forum. No problems. I'm new to bitcoin, so I didn't run out of interesting things to read. (still haven't, in fact. Methinks I may  have a new favorite forum!).

4 hours only seems long if you're watching the clock. If you're learning new things, it goes pretty quick.

Not so bad...

Aye, waiting around for 4 hours is painful

More painful having to have posts before posting anywhere else.

It

Edit
I was going to say: it causes pointless posts. I was going to use one post per word but it looks like I need to wait 5 minutes between posts. I was goint to do this to reach my 5 post threshold. I get that spam may be a problem, but this is a pain for new users. I'm not even that new, I've been lurking for a while, but it is my belief that if I have nothing useful to say then it's useful to say nothing. My first post here was about a technical question to do with the mtGox websocket API, but I got no replies, most likely because I wasn't posting somewhere people interested in that stuff read. I really don't want to have to make a bunch of meaningless posts, "Hey, BTC is teh bomb!" or somesuch. It's a waste of time for me, anyone who reads such pointless posts, and of the site's bandwidth. Perhaps I'll finally grow past my newbie status in another few months, but I refuse to jump through hoops for anyone, even you guys.

Grrrrrr!

:)

more annoying then anything

Yes it is.

Here's a pointless post, just to help me reach the 5 I need to slough off the newbie status. This is a waste of time for me and for you. Pointless. See what I mean?

Grrrrr!

:)

I rather like the Newbie subforum and will miss my status once my time is up.

I rather like the Newbie subforum and :P will miss my status once my time is up.

Well, my cookies are enabled...2nd day hour...5-6 and I'm still showing 21 minutes wtf?

Add this to my vote that this is pointless.

Any Litecoin interest from the Newbies? Looks like best use for GPU right now.

everyone was a noob once

I don't know yet.

I wanna be a boon

I think it is the spirit of being free without restrictions that prompts us to jump out of the Newbie bandwagon
I too am a newbie LOL

Since members come from various back grounds I am sure they bring in diverse knowledge and  points of view and some times this can be restricting. Though I agree about the pointless post issue that you have raised. 

It's killing me... I need to conduct biz in the atl forums... need to "level up" :)

Level me up, Scottie!

well a 4 hours wait isnt that long!

I have to agree why rush getting out of newbie status , it just means you not looking to stick around long IMO.
and to just post 5 random posts is also a bit meaningless don't you think. I 'd much rather browse the site (not for 4 full hours straight though) and try and actually add some value
after all isn't that what community is about ?

Avatars aren't available if you've got newbie status?
I have this account for quite a while now, but I'm rather a long time lurker than a poster  ;D

Personally "newbie status" prevented me from making several helpful posts in the past.  The threads weren't in the "newbie" section, and thus I wasn't allowed to post.  The problem with "newbie status" is that it relegates honest users to the kiddie pool.  It certainly has value in stopping spam posts, but I'm sure there are other ways to go about doing it.

Plus, if someone wanted to spam, they would have no trouble creating an account, waiting 4 hours, making 5 spam posts, and then proceeding on to spam the rest of the site.

I just wanted to back this up, the exact same thing happened for me. I started posting rather quickly but this is true, if you lurk, you can make an account which are logged into and it is quite easy to just browse and have the time pass.

Its interesting I've heard some people saying the waiting is the hard part and others saying that the five posts are the hard part. I would recommend just browsing and trying to learn more about bitcoins while being logged in in order to solve your waiting problem if the posts are easy for you.

Lol:). It does cause some pointless posts, however when you look at it the other way you will have a maximum of five useless posts for each user and then you won't really have them as much anymore because there is really no advantage to people posting anymore. Five useless posts per user seems a lot better to me than people bot spamming posts by the dozens or more:)

> Is Newbie Status Really That Hard?

With my 5th post, I say no, but it is annoying  ;)

It's a minor annoyance, really.  But I've been reading the forums for years, it's too bad that time isn't useful somehow.  ;)

I could not figure out why I could not post after a registered a couple of weeks ago it was driving me crazy. So I went to re-register and read the info that I apparently ignored the first time. O well live and let learn

I think it's a good way to keep spam low, especially on the non-newbie boards. Personally it doesn't bother me much, the logged in time is long past, just been lurking most of the time. :)

Regards,
cK'

No, but I find it irritating because the newbie threads aren't really what interest me. Of course noobs can always read the other threads, we just cannot make any comments. Getting the 10 posts is easy, but it is taking some time to get up to 4 hours. I'll admit I tried leaving the browser open and hoping the clock wouldn't stop, but it does stop rather quickly. I suppose it does have a purpose though, sort of like the speed limit and I don't like that much either.

I hate these damn post requirements. Also there's nothing interesting in the newbie section damnit.

The 4 hour requirement makes sense though. Should fly by for anyone truly interested in bitcoin.

Hmmpf.
I've done my 5 posts, and over 4.5 hours logged in.
Still do not seem to have moved out of newbie status...

Maybe you must relogin?

smiling but no saying！ :D

It seems to be considered reasonable and proper...

I asked my girlfriend and she said: 'yes, status really is that hard'. But I say who cares, he's a noob.

its not that hard

yes

Final post to escape!!  bye!

5 Posts is just great.

Not every newbie is interested in writing posts. One may just want read topics and learn. The problem is when one decide to make a bid in an auction, one have to wait 4 hours and write 5 silly posts without any value...

Annoying for me is the limit of the residence time on the forum.

getting out of newbie status is the most tilting difficult thing f**king ever.  its forcing me to troll whereas if I was just enabled to begin with I would have been able to stick to intelligent posts.

Intelligent or not I need also 5 posts  ;D

yep. And feathercoin. I'z a po' boy, so I'm trying to get in as cheap as possible while waiting for ASIC's to come online.

im keen to get out of newbie status and be able to take part in real discussion.

+2 thank

Indeed..

Newbs have more fun than anyone!!

Piece of cake actually.

I agree, read, read, and read some more! Not difficult at all!

i am newbie but I am affraid i cannot join todays auction to buy 4 erupter blades, right?

I think it's not that hard.
And while waiting to get out of newbie status i'll browse other forums and i'll learn lots of stuff, so it's kinda cool

I am finding it annoying. 2 posts to go.

yes

I love noobs, im a noob (technically speaking)!!!! :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

Yes. 4 remains

Need an one more...

This is my 5th one  ::)

Am I there yet?

It's not that bad.  Gives me time to read.  Although I guess I should have registered before lurking for a few days lol.

posting worthless comments in random newbie threads to be able to reply in a thread that matters :/
maybe it could have been that newbies can't create threads and just reply for a bit

If you love Bitcoin, and love to read about Bitcoin, then it's easy to get.

If you have no clue about Bitcoin and want to learn, and you read a lot and ask questions, then it's easy.


If you're not fussed on Bitcoin or see it as a 'quick rich scheme' then it WILL take all the patience you got.

I know a bit about btc. I'm just trying to get connections with the mincoin client and as a bunch of people said, I get none. Hopefully i can reply in the mincoin thread soon.

Okay now that was quite funny!  +1 ;)

Someone is trying 5 posts around here.

Someone is trying 5 posts around here.
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Indeed but it doesn't make it any less true!

I couldn't find the section that described how to get out of newbie. I do know now.

I cannot comment. I haven't hit 5 messages yet nor 4 hours but am working on it. I'd prefer it if it was easier though. I guess I can comment then. One thing I'll say is that the 5 message requirement will lower the quality of posts (especially from me) for the first 5. On saying that, I don't really expect my later ones to improve that much but I use as an excuse for the first 5.

It's annoying, but I do get the purpose with all the derping around about BTC.

It's extremely irritating when you (I) have to come here and post something useless (this) in the hope that at some point soon I can contribute what I wanted to in another thread.

It forces you to browse and adapt a tiny bit to the forums. So it's not useless.

check

nope still a newbie after 4 hours

5 is out I think? ::)

+1
Actually "out of newbie" should require +20 post with some point (at least few words!) and at least 8 hour online time!

Patience...

still....

I don't think it is a good idea. We r here to discuss, so why u r hurry.

Why were there even any responses?

/Thread ^^

seems like a hassle

Have you waited at least 10 minutes?

From https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=15958.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=15958.0) (Newbie restrictions):

Now that I'm out of Newbie status, I'll update and say it's not really that bad as long as you're not super eager to comment on something, such as in the marketplace. Browsing a little at a time over the course of four or five days made it not seem like the requirement was difficult at all.

So hang in there, Newbies. It's not that bad.

i have newbie status ......... but if something has to be done ... it just has to be done and there's no reason to bitch about that, 4 hours is nothing

Quite interesting learning about all the different multi-faceted people joining each day in the Newbie section.

1st newbie message from me=p

Back at ya!

It's not that it's hard, it's just that I don't like to contribute low value posts (including this one) in a subforum in order to get to the higher value posts that I may want to contribute.  But I fully understand the need, to prevent spammers.

I do see value in enforcing rules like those to avoid spam. If 4 hours and 5 posts sounds tough, try other some other forums with tougher rules!

First msg too  ;)

Came here to farm comment :-D hope it doesn't bother anyone... and to answer question: NO, I don't think that it is that hard

noobs for a reason

check

Yes it is very hard

Ive been logged in for 10 days and have now 6 posts and cannot post anywhere else buy noob section :/

Prolly spent here 100+ hours lurking and now have to fake browse for few hours and post to be able to get out of n00b status, oh well :>

Hard? No. Mildly frustrating? Yes.

Newbie status sucks bigtime

I'm excited for the world outside  ;D

lol newbie status... I've been here for years but never post and today I wanted to post but didn't have the 5 so... #3 here

There is such a thing as newbie status for a reason.  It is necessary to get to know the forum first and contribute a bit to the forum in order to post so the people who made this forum can prevent spam.

it is very hard

It's worth it to be an active part of the community, especially with new coins releasing lately

And so begins my quest, upon this first post in my first hour.

I don't mind the newbie status. In reality, it's just a label.

I like it and i don't having to wait to be able to post outside i understand for bots and everything but there should be other verification processes that could let you bypass it and let you move up

It is funny to see all these short sentences in the newbies thread

a little frustating

This is the first forum where I have encountered something like it.
Seeing as I only register once I want to post something (i.o.w. I have already read the forum for some time), this forces me to hammer out 5 posts on other topics before I can do so (this is one of them  ::)).
Since I have also already seen that it in no way hinders trolls, I don't really get the advantage it has, apart from wasting everybodies time...

Newb status is a rough patch but necessary for a while.

I think its kind of stupid. If you don't want spammers just implement recaptcha.

As I kept going to the mining section for software configuration issues it took me a while to find my way to the newbie section and I found out that I couldn't post immediately. Luckily I found everything I needed without having to post, but it could have been a small problem to me.

It's not so hard, just post few messages and you're done.

It's not really hard, just playing around for a night :)

It still is one of the best ways to kill off forum spam.

I wouldnt say it kills it off... just causes more of it to fall in a particular sub-forum rather than spread all over.

I understand why they do it. It protects the other boards while giving new users a chance to get known. 
It's not so hard; it's just that we want it NOW. On the internet 4 hours is a small eternity.  Most of us don't have attention spans that long.

really in the modern era I would have thought that forum software would be advance enough to combat spam!

It's not hard to get the posts, obviously, but since the time counter only tracks active browsing or whatever- I hardly accumulate anything because I'm constantly switching between other browsing windows and applications and then the timer stops. (Even if I'm reading bitcoin forum on other monitor, the window is not active)

Bump because I have nothing better to do

It's not too bad.  I've seen a couple of other forums get totally destroyed by spambots, so this is better than that alternative.

However, the quality of everyone's first five posts is probably pretty low.

Always gotta *Bump* so I can make my quota.

It's the 4 hours that's really getting me.
Also, it's an absolutely terrible and indefensible method of spam prevention. I've outlined why in one of the first few pages of this thread.

We do not do this because its easy, we do this because its hard.  ;D

I don't mind waiting, I'm sure it doesn't take that long.

Lets go newbies!!! It's a good policie!

Newbie status is not hard at all, lots of interesting posts to read

The only problem for me is that I used to use another login for a business but since I am no longer affiliated with them I have to start from scratch.

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Yes it is hard , I signed up to make some money and now I've to wait

It is

I dont think its horrible.  It's given me time to read up on the threads on this forum.  Over all win win.

I've been reading the forums for ages but ive only decided to sign up now, it seems like the longest wait ever to get out of this newbie status. Saying that it's made me browse the other sections that ive never really read as i mainly read the mining section.

I'd love to get my hands on these spammers for making me wait. Our planet probably has the best network security or restrictions to circumvent security issues, in the galaxy. I wonder if aliens have problems with spammers, hoaxsters, scammers etc....  ???

Just gotta plough through it then :)

BTC: 13xTLdKnD8hjooiyAAYgGa4Pu8rFtHMnha

Newbie status isn't hard... its basically a test of patience.

newbie is limited in this subforum.

worth it, just to weed out the rats

You realize you bumped almost 2 year old thread?  And newbies I don't think have most of the limitations they once had?  I think only limitation still is timer between posts, but I could be wrong.