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We cannot pay our members payouts via Bitcoin anymore, this is completely impossible.
We sent payments ranging $1 - $10 with fees of $2 - $6 already 5 days ago and these payments are unconfirmed.

We are going to change our approach and be among the first businesses that pay in Bitcoin Cash and stop paying in Bitcoin.
It's just impossible to work with Bitcoin anymore.

Are you guys wondering why people move to Bitcoin Cash? It's not only because of speculation, it's because Bitcoin in its current form is a dead zombie walking in Crypto land.

I am wondering about the reviews in the media. They show shops and restaurants, where people pay with Bitcoin. How do they get managed to transfer little amounts with lower fees? Maybe they have services with their own miners?

That's very interesting ... if you go to eat in a restaurant and pay $60 for a good meal, would you pay $40 in fees to pay the restaurant?

It's probably going to die anyway, you cannot use Bitcoin to make small payments ... the only ones who buy Bitcoin now is for speculation, and we don't want to affiliate our business with speculation, high fees, 5+ days to confirm small payments and more.

Bitcoin is dead for small payments, simply dead ... and it could be dead in general because it doesn't serve its purpose anymore.

If the fees in Bitcoin were measured by % with a cap (like PayPal does) then it would have been reasonable, if transactions would have been processed on a FIFO basis (first in first out) then it would have been reasonable - but the current shape & form of Bitcoin is just unfeasible.

And we have no interest to pump, dump or affect its price or value, our only interest is to make small payments without any hassles whatsoever.

Yeah Bitcoin is a store of value like Gold. Do you can use gold for daily payments? No.
Do you can shares for shopping? Threra a lot of good coins for small payment and daily use.

No doubt about it, that's why the price of Bitcoin Cash is rising as of the moment. Bitcoin must make a move fast about this micro transactions or else BCH will gain attention and worse surpass the original one. I miss the almost free tx's fees and faster sending/receiving of Bitcoin though.

A few months ago we could use Bitcoin with reasonable fees and reasonable confirmation time.
It's no longer like that.

We don't care if it's virtual gold, similar to it or what's not.
All we care about is making payments to our users with reasonable fees and reasonable timing accordingly.

IMO, without utility, its going to become worthless.  Utility is needed to keep the value high, incentivise miners and keep the network alive.

Feeds need to drop or the network won't survive this and you won't be able to get your money out when you need it.

Similarly, this undermines the aspects of the technology that make it worthwhile.  This is not a revolution without it challenging banking, and payments, and its real worth will tank in line with this.

Fees need to come down or be proportionate to the value of the wallet values rather than the size of the transaction.  Software changes are needed.

Why is almost everyone fixated with micropayments? Bitcoin is what it is, if it could only be succesful when used for paying scones and pancackes, then it would not be where it is.

Nothing stops a cryptocurrency from rising to prominence in the micropayment Space without Bitcoin going anywhere. The economy is big.

Now BCC/BCH is about 20-25% of the BCC value. Does anyone think it would soon be valued at 0.5 BTC? Would BCC and BTC have the same value eventually?

That's where its value came from, if its a piece of software that doesn't work, people will lose faith in it.  I think the system is under strain and there needs to be a solution.  Cutting this out will have a big impact.

You might not like the personalities behind it, but the utility of the coin is very, very important.

Which of them two has the highest transaction?

If people move to BCH, I'll just dump more of my fiat to BTC because BCH will also face the same problem sooner or later.

This is really a big problem, the poor will not like to use bitcoin. But I think the richvpeople will still buy bitcoin for investment. May be bitcoin is only for elite people and the poor only can use altcoin. Bitcoin will never dead.

Utility of bitcoin is simply changing during the time where the network can't keep up.

When new scaling solutions are impelemented, people will be flocking back to bitcoin.

I do applaud you for going this route as it is the only sensible thing to do at the moment.

I agree. I was surprise with the current rise in fee's. Yesterday, I want to transfer some from to cash it out today. However, the fees are insanely high.


I don't know. I don't have bitcoin cash to begin with and I'm not sure if I'm going to support this coins. I don't trust the people behind it.


I don't think that they are moving though to used it as mode of payment. They are moving now because they are just pumping it and take profits just like the last time they did. Bitcoin is not a dead zombie, though its really becoming more of a investment rather than a true P2P that we all want it to be.

They will experience increase against fiat, but the fee is an order of magnitude lower.  They'd need a much higher price and/or a much higher transaction volume to match BTC.

The promise of a 1 cent fee forever is a lie, but i suspect they'll just increase the blocksize again if it ever gets too high.

They don't believe in segwit and lightning because they represent gaming, etc. and don't want potential auditing and restrictions imposed.  i think the fear is lightning networks could be forced to blacklist grey markets, who have carried bitcoin to where it is today

hahaha... bitcash or whatever you call it, because it has nothing to do with bitcoin, is DEAD. It's an altcoin, made by a powerfull group, which is why they are able to pump the price so much, but it's nothing but a crap coin imo

Ok, faucets and Co will also soon deny on BCH. They should use cryptocurrencies, that suite to their payment amounts. There are enough reliable cryptocurremcies like digibyte and Doge.

Why is it a big problem? You re making it out as if poor People are the "powerhouse" behind bitcoin. Why would you think that? If bitcoin no longer is for to be misused as a currency, then why not focus on btc as a commodity anmnd something else for small transactions.

Nobody buys Milk with sovreigns, yet they are perfectly fine

This has to be happened. Sooner or later the transaction issues, insane high fees and long-time taking confirmations is annoying. The best alternative for transactions is to choose Bitcoin Cash. It will grab the market cap slowly and gradually. It will go high.

Bitcoin is dead for payments now.. Its now for very high payments.. But we have sathoshi for small payments.. No need to worry.. Just enjoy btc..

Bidding Bitcoin Cash stopped after adding to Coinbase and an unusual price increase.
An update from Coinbase CEO @brian_armstrong https://t.co/bNeOAgjHBl
Just wow, price on GDAX went to the moon close to $9500

Well still no bitcoin cash is still a shitcoin controlled by roger and jihan's followers just like you i rather to move on litecoin and ethereum instead investing on mainpulated the coin and besides litecoin and ethereum is much faster than bitcoin cash when it comes to block generation. Although your are right the transactions fees are high right now and we are suffering from it but the devs were working on lightning network if implemented microtransactions were available again in bitcoin.

Bitcoin is dead but soon it will have its own resurrection that is if those people in charge for its development would stop sleeping and start working...it is as simple as that. I don't believe that they don't have the capacity to solve the whole mess as the problem has become no more technical but political. This should be the message that must come clear to them...we have to do something because the business environment is very competitive and there are rival cryptocurrencies who are also vying for the top post.

Yes bitcoin is not for the smaller transactions but yes its still the best for the big transactions. Bitcoin is far better than BCC.

To the altcoin section

That's true man. For me payments systems will be good altcoins.

Yes, you are right and this is sadly worrisome. Perhaps that explains why litecoin and Bitcoincash are getting a lot of patronage lately. Besides the discouraging fees for small transactions there is a whole backlog of unconfirmed transactions waiting in the blockchain for days unending.

Bitcoin's current utility as a currency is declining, but still its demand as an asset/store of value is increasing. In fact with the launch of CME Bitcoin futures it has become a mainstream financial investment/asset. So basically, right now Bitcoin is less of a payment network, but evolving into digital gold. Conflicting views, those who prefer a decentralized peer-to-peer payment network over digital gold would find the current situation quite messed up, but for those who are simply holding Bitcoin, this isn't much of a concern. Bitcoin's future utility as a currency depends on LN implementation so IMO 2018 is going to be quite challenging and competitive for Bitcoin.

it's true that bitcoin getting harder and harder everyday but i also don't like switching payment to bitcoin cash (only my opinion) bitcoin cash could drop in price at any time it a manipulative market maybe if you could switch to some other altcoin it will be helpful for you and alot of people will accept that

P.S bitcoin getting harder in payment doesn't mean its worthless but it became like asset you keep not to pay with

Bitcoin is like Altavista Search Engine in 2000.
It was booming, everyone was using it but today nobody even remembers what it is.

It's good for now, there is a big hype, but without resolving its core fundamental issues it won't survive.

I think bitcoin will never die, because bitcoin is scattered in all countries, I think bitcoin is the father of all coin-coin, which is on the market, so bitcoin will not die.
If our opinion bitcoin cash is also good in recent times, to get results in the long run.

Well, i feel the same problem will lead bitcoincash to the moon. Really sad to say but this is real.

It is very said but it is also very true. My personal experience not only stands behind those statements, it shouts!

On the flip side, don't you guys have fears that when Bitcoin Cash have the same amount of transactions, the history will repeat itself? I know I know, the block size is bigger. But it is only a few times bigger, while bitcoin's transactions backlog is already 100 blocks long.

Yes and the rise has just hapened tonight and today, so it is not a fixed 25%, rather it is a rise from 10% to 25% and I would predict that rise to continue. So we may be seeing levels like 50% and from there a path is short to bitcoin core being 25% of bitcoin cash

I have never beleived that Bitcoin could have succeeded as currency for everyday life expense. Just for its known problem related to the transaction fees and low speed. For this purpose there are more interesting project like Bitcore (that can make the same amount of 1 year of BTC transactions in just 3 days) or DeepOnion. But I am really sure that the value of Bitcoin will continue to grow up beacuse it can be seen as a  value reserve like gold.

Not sure about Bitcoin Cash as mentioned in the topic, but I totally agree that Bitcoin has slowed down and become more expensive than what was promised.

BitcoinCash is dead now, so I looking to the forks...Some guys trying to do Segwit2X...Sounds promising
ANN: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2595620.0

Great response! I think the fact that bitcoin has gone from a virtual currency meant to be used to pay for things to a store of value is simply a way for bitcoin backers to keep the coin relevant. Now that the network is not able to satisfy the market as a payment method, the only options are either call it something else or acknowledge it is no longer useful.

Nonetheless, the average investor who uses only Coinbase for example will not experience the issues that are prevalent within the technology. They simply buy on Coinbase and let bitcoin sit there, so they do not see the long times for confirmation or high fees.

i agree totally with this point.
I think that the majority of people with Bitcoin dont care about whether they can pay for goods and services with it.
It has become a store of value and something to be traded and make profits.

i think it will survive as a commodity for trading buy not as a payment system.

So every time when there is problem with BTC transaction you open such thread and declare BTC dead in some way,and also promote BCH as some new miraculous cryptocurrency.The team that stands behind BCH with their leader Roger Ver is partly responsible for this situation in a way that try to stop full application of SegWit which is activated almost 4 months ago.

You can also offer your users to be pay in LTC,DASH or maybe DOGE-situation is not good regarding BTC transaction in this moment but we need to adapt and make more pressure on exchanges to start using SegWit.

Yeah the fee for a transaction in bitcoin is too high I think the small payments or transaction is not very advisable in bitcoin,
Back then all of us could use bitcoin but nowadays because of the fee only the rich or those who have a huge amount of money could use it.

You are right. Although Bitcoin price has risen up so much, it hasn't really improved as a mode of payment.

Yes, although many people talk Bitcoin Cash is a failure, but not with me. Because I think Bitcoin Cash is a child of Bitcoin which certainly needs to be glimpsed as an investment target. And can be seen now the price of Bitcoin Cash more than 3000 dollars. Which definitely makes people who say Bitcoin Cash is a "failure" will regret.  8)

yeah it is true because bitcoin price is much high...because of that the transaction fees are much high...so if you want to send small amount,you need to give similar amount  transaction fees as the payment..Bitcoin cash is now growing so everyone thinks that it will be the future bitcoin

The CoFounder of Bitcoin.com has done it, what's wrong with that?  ???

I don't think bitcoin cash is any better than bitcoin... The fees are roughly $1 for a quick transaction... bitcoin cash is 5X cheaper than bitcoin, so it bitcoin cash was $15,000 then the fees would be roughly $5... thats not much better in my opinion, only about 1/2 - 1/3 the transaction fee.

Im more looking forward to SEGwit 2X on the 28th, I hope that will be the adopted coin that gets used, it is almost like bitcoin version 2. Much better than bitcoin cash the alt coin

Who said Segwit2x will happen on Dec 28? Do you have a reliable source? The Twitter for it has only 500 followers.

BCH has a new and modern cryptocurrency; it improved than the bitcoin itself. But when we talked about the transaction and values, BTC is better because it has high price or value than BCH.

We are know that fee transaction of bitcoin is too high, but I am not sure bitcoin is dead and BCH can be replace BTC
Btc is the first cryptocurrency in the world and many of people know bitcoin not bitcoin cash.

I believe that Bitcoin cash will rise quite a lot in 2018, but that doesn't mean that Bitcoin will die. Bitcoin cash may take over for smaller transactions as BTC has quite high fees and slow transaction time. Also if you look at BTC dominance - its first time under 50% since yesterday. Now at 47% - Surely going down slowly (lately).

It's funny.People complain even when bitcoin price is so high.I understand your point OP.I wonder you waited this long to switch to BCH chain,you should have switched to it much earlier.BCH will too have the same problem sooner or later and another problem of centralization because of bigger blocks.LN is the future.Once it is implemented properly in Bitcoin,it will allow BTC again for micro transactions due to offchain low fee payments :) I personally will not switch to BCH because of people behind it.I will keep Hodling BTC  ::)

The Lighting Network is not going to happen:
https://localbitcoincash.org/news/7/How_Did_Bitcoin_Get_So_Messy?_Bitcoin_Cash,_Bitcoin_Segwit,_Bitcoin_Gold,_Bitcoin_S1X,_Bitcoin_S2X

Dogecoin started as a joke and made massive gains.
BCH is no different.

Probably, but not now.

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Good luck with that spammer

Yeah. I'm really curious about how they can deal with the fee in the small transaction for now.

For small payments it is had to disagree.
Average fee for a $100 transfer is $10, nobody will want to get charged ten percent.
For a $1000 transfer you will pay approximately $20, so two percent is more acceptable.
Use Bitcoin for big transfers only.

Bitcoin Cash is strong, but still waiting for merchants to accept it (not many last time I checked).

This^. I'd be curious to see how BCH actually handled the volume of transactions that BTC has. Maybe it has experienced it and has done fine?

I haven't looked and don't care right now. I don't move BTC around. Fees are just that-fees and profit.

Once people can make more money (i.e fees) on BCH transfers, they eventually will.

He just dump his BTC and allegedly bought BCH,nothing is wrong with that,they can do whatever they want.I do not really care what they do,their project is just attempt to privatize BTC and make fortune on that.

What is wrong in this story is your statement that something is dead(again),and free promotion of your site.If you think BTC is dead just switch to BCH and use it from now on,problem solved for you and your users.

For micro transactions bitcoin has long been a less from ideal solution, in time this needs to improve or they will be lost on bitcoin and while the larger transactions may make up the bulk of value transferred the smaller transactions make up the bulk of the user base who will support the currency.

For those who earned "extra Bitcoin" with signature campaigns or other services, I would recommend trading a small amount to get some Bitcoin Cash.
I did just last week and I am happy I did. I am a little upset that I bought my first Bitcoin on August 10 (give or take a day), 10 days earlier and I had free Bitcoin. C'est la vie.
But now with blockchain.info it is very easy to get some Bitcoin Cash, I think the demand could grow just because of that.
Some folks like me are just lazy to register on an exchange platform to trade, so a good move from blockchain.info
Anyway, hold both and see what happens.

Jihan is one of the most influential people in #Bitcoin and one of the largest holders. Of course he will try to squeeze other large holders out of it to gain even more influence.

That would be a bold move friend. Why Bitcoin Cash though? If you're paying in altcoins anyway, why not the better ones?

This could be good in the long run though. I'm all for people temporarily using Bitcoin Cash while the unconfirmed transactions clear up. That's really the only reason why people even consider using Bitcoin Cash anyway. Once Bitcoin fees go back to normal, people always move back. Bitcoin Cash is dead once the Lightning Network rolls out.

Isn't Dash much better than Bitcoin, And/or Bitcoin Cash/Litecoin?
What are your thoughts about possible Bitcoin replacements like Dash, Litecoin, Monero, Bitcoin Cash, Zcash?

When will lightning network be ready for deployment? We need it, badly...

Without it or in case it failed to deliver what it promises, we (BTC hodlers) are in trouble...

Really its so tough for maintaining bitcoin in small payment. Small payments is so expensive for clients.Bitcoin authority should think a another way.
 

Its quoted by loads of news sites:

https://www.financemagnates.com/cryptocurrency/news/ultimate-comeback-bitcoins-segwit2x-fork-scheduled-december-%E2%80%8E%E2%80%8E28/

http://www.livebitcoinnews.com/segwit2x-revival-will-happen-soon/

http://www.newsbtc.com/2017/12/19/segwit2x-old-new-bitcoin-hard-fork/

The bitcoin community should make another fork to change the situation, actually, bitcoin is not fit  small and normal amount transfer now,  I spend $10 fee for transfer, it spent almost 20 hours to confirm.

I am accurate btc costs $20 to trasnfer $1
and is so slow it makes wire transfer look ideal from banks
People compalina bout paying $20 for a $1 chessecake paid by BTC
So we need alt way. I'm not sure about bitcoin cash as I just use it 2 times. with small transaction and it still new so it network still good and super fast, certainly.
But huge pump like this make me don't trust on this. It's like gamble which under control by a small group

At least urs did. I paid 10$ fee on dec 18 and still no confirm and not looking like gonna get one soon also. WBN to be able to take it back and resend with a bigger fee (from normal wallet, without being some elite hacker god) but must wait till u die.

Look what the average fee is to get a quick txn confirmation and you'll be fine.
If you can not or don't want to pay it than just hold or sell and switch to another coin.
Due to the sheer amount of user influx yes there is lots of traffic going on.
Look how much work the exchanges have to do! This is such a huge wave of people joining this space nobody really expected to happen I guess.

just because bitcoin didnt increasing and bch increasing so drasticaly doesnt mean BCH will overcome the btc. i think why bch increasing is cause the way the market is. when bitcoin stop develop BCH will rise and vice versa.

Its just a matter of time. That we will definitely see in our lifetime. I can't wait... BTC is dead for small transactions.

given the fees and transfer times for bitcoin, it's no wonder that other parallel currencies are gaining momentum

Bitcoin Cash seems to have taken over the mantle of Bitcoin as a secure and borderless digital currency... if one of the others like Dash, IOTA, or a privacy-centric version like ZCash doesn't fill the niche.
So what's left for Bitcoin? Digital gold store-of-value but keeping the "centralized" miners they've been griping about all year? High-fee, low-capacity non-cash? Becoming a banking settlement layer to compete with Ripple?
It seems like the use cases are better represented by BCG, BCH, and XRP.

I don't know, but we maybe will see one more fight between these two again soon.
Bitcoins 24h volume is crazy right now. And Bitcoin cash is heating up.
Interesting anyway :)

satoshi is enough for it ı guess dont comparison to each of it

Guys, use a credit card.


You get free credit for a month or so.
Payment is instant.
Your credit card will normally refund you if the company goes bust
Oh, it's accepted everywhere.

...but in this forum apparently the banks are worried that bitcoin is going to make them go bust.

Yeah, right.

With the current situation with transaction fees it is very difficult to use bitcoin for smaller transactions unless you want to pay massive fees. Some are starting to see bitcoin cash as the solution. Over time will any other coin end up the same once its value hits a certain high.

Bitcoin transaction fees are very high.Now small bitcoin transaction is totally stop I think.Because people can't do make a transaction with highly costs.So your article is right niw.Bcc is the next future.

As an advocate of Cryptographic Currencies, I'll support the most decentralized, efficient, accepted, chain available at any point in time.

So yea, I don't have a side other than the general cryptocurrency ideals.

Bitcoin cash it not the only option for small payments .There hundred of alts that can do the same job .I agree with bitcoin you need to transfering a big amount otherwise your going to get killed in fees

It is simply not worth making small payments. Bitcoin is for big things, I would simply keep them for big business that is worth the pen to invest with bitcoins. If I do not prefer, do not leave my wallet.

I wouldn't' go as far as to say that BCH is the new BCT. Are there benefits from this sure if you want to cut down transaction costs and times but there are already other Alts out there which have better promises and technological aspect which will help them wash it out. BCT is the foundation for all crypto and no matter what it will not be dethroned.

BItcoin cash is bitcoin with a slightly higher block size. Both have the exact same underlying technology which means that if the price of Bitcoin Cash and the amount of transactions in Bitcoin Cash equals bitcoin, the same problems with happen with Bitcoin Cash.

Im quite new to crypto, im involved in it since this spring, but as more time passes i can s that bitcoin needs a lot of improvements to be legit, whats the pont of having bitcoin if you cant spend it. As someone mentioned bitcoin is for big purchases or holding, so if bitcoin goes this way less people will be able to use it. it will become like fine art, super overpriced, has no purpose and people who buy it does not care about  nor understands about it, cryptos should be for everyone not just for rich

This topic doesn't make sense

Bitcoin Cash is bitcoin.

The other bitcoin is Bitcoin Core. And the other one is also Bitcoin Gold.

There isn't just one bitcoin. There are many bitcoins. There is no central authority that says which one is the "real bitcoin" so they are all the :real bitcoin".

it's not a store of value because it doesn't have intrinsec value. Don't fool your self. If there is no real use then it's going to be dead soon. Something must be done with the fees because bitcoin today is no longer usable for anything real.

why do not you wait for a while until bitcoin recovers? Today bitcoin hurts. it's because many users are selling bitcoins.
I speculate one of the factors why many people move to BCH is because of the expensive fee.
and I am sure that when bitcoin recovers and gets up, altcoin BCH and other will drop back.

We cannot "wait for a while" whilst our users send us emails complaining their Bitcoin payments were not received even tough we spent fees such as for example $5 to send a $1 payment to one user or another, it doesn't make sense and it's not reasonable for us to continue with this not even for another day.

Businesses like ours rely on the technology but we need it to work, and we have given it too many chances, but as business owners we can tell you this is not only bothering our business solely, this is a major problem and if there is no quick fix then we have to move on.

If you are sure Bitcoin will recover then good for you - as we mentioned before we are not here for speculation, and we are not investing in BCH in order to make money but we simply use it as means to pay our members.

Yes, Ethereum, Ripple and others are also options we consider, but for now based on a Facebook survey we conducted in our Facebook page most respondents have asked for Bitcoin Cash, and that's what we would proceed with.

But for the holders it makes perfect sense :D Go tell that to someone who has 1 Bitcoin and 0 Bitcoin Cash if one day Bitcoin Cash overtakes the other...
If you had Bitcoin before August 1 then you should have received the same equivalent in Bitcoin Cash, in that case I can agree with you.

The solution is simple. Use a Segwit enabled wallet then underbid the fees and wait for your transaction to confirm. Do not let the miners trick you into overbidding for the fees to have your transaction next in line.

Having a Segwit enabled wallet is easy. Buy a Trezor, if you want a webwallet use GreenAddress, Samourai wallet for mobile, and Electrum.

Use this guide to make a Segwit wallet with the standard "3 addresses" in Electrum.

Bitcoin money can also be a source of money for our future but a lot of opposites. While the money generated by the bitcoin cash hard fork - and the possible money generated by the bitcoin gold hard fork - has played a role in driving bitcoin's price surge, it's not all fun and games. Bitcoin owners have effectively acquired value for free, but there is still a cost associated with the assets.

The BCH is not a decentralized crypto currency. There are many altcoins with much better characteristics for micro and nano payments.
FUD hype raised around this, clearly shows the fictitiousness of this problem.

While I agree that BTC fees are way too high for smaller transactions, I doubt that Bitcoin Cash alone can be the solution. There are better and more anonymous crypto currencies out there like Monero or Verge with even faster and cheaper transactions.

I cannot believe on that, If you are going too look on the market then you will notice that the value of bitcoins is increasing massively and it was very nice idea to invest today because the growth of btc each day is massive.

not everybody cares about the value of bitcoin. The value right now is driven purely by speculation. What we care about is real usage, which right now is a HUGE issue. Businesses are dropping bitcoin because the fees are absurd right now. Instead of getting more adoption, it's loosing current busineses. I work for such a website that uses bitcoin now, and we have suspended all bitcoin payments right now as well. Currently considering implementing other alts like Monero or byteball. The problem is exchanges still only list BTC related pairs.

Again, I cannot stress this enough: if there is no real usage, bitcoin will fall. Speculation alone cannot drive a coin forever.

These could be the most important questions for the market, since without a clear, reliable and transparent pricing mechanism it's impossible for owners to determine the value of their holdings. Right now, many in the business media are reporting on prices as though they were based on well-established and open standards. But they're not.

For small payments, i think, yes, since the fee is much higher now and confirmations are taking too long, however for bitcoin cash, it is much faster, considering the fact that thetr is no congestion yer it their network. Personally, i would still use bitcoin in my transactions, though both have the same traits,  bitcoin's advantage is, there is no one ceo trying to control it, like bitcoin cash.

Today, due to the increased demand for Bitcoin Cash, the transaction price is also growing and if developers do not increase the block size, small transactions will also not be profitable over time.

I agree with you. I've withdraw some of my bitcoin today and got shocked with transaction fee is around 10% is too big amount.
it's very not recommended for transactions with small amounts.
bitcoin is getting popular and high traffic since a few days ago until now

claiming Bitcoin Cash is the future is something we already saw in the past, every new coin were a revolution to crypto world! and then, after couple of days/months/pumps everyone was back to BTC forgetting the new "amazing" coin.
I do agree with you that the transaction fees at the moment are a dealbreaker thing, way too high and not worth for small transaction, as now we just have to wait for the implementation of a new protocol; diversification is always a good choice if you have the money for that but definitely BTC cash is not the new messiah.

The cost of expensive bitcoin transactions is influenced by the bitcoin price itself, the factor of the number of users who send bitcoin also affects transaction costs. Bitcoin is not suitable for small amounts of payment. if we say bitcoin like a diamond, will you buy a plate of food using a diamond?

BCH can not replace the BTC.
There are many negative moments. The biggest problem is not a decentralized currency. At any time, its course can move to the right side of Roger Ver.
I made a translation yesterday in his network. It took 1 hour 23 minutes.
Would this suit a crypto community?

I believe that this is what makes people look more at bitcoin as an investment vehicle than it is for daily transactions. This is a problem that has not been resolved, so some companies decide not to use it again as a means of payment. For example with steam companies, who reject it because of the huge transaction fee that makes users complain. But I do not agree if you say die, maybe better said less used than dead.

I know that today bitcoin has decreased, and I think it's normal when conditions like this. and I'm sure in the new year 2018 bitcoin will rise.
and BCH is also good, in a short time BCH can reach the price of $ 8000. it is very amazing, but we see, whether BCH can survive?

Everytime bitcoin has this transfer fees issue, there are so many people comes and make topic about " bitcoin dead and the future is bitcoin cash" , like ,what?
There will be the "topic starters" in the thread, then the "newbies who supports BCH" boasting about BCH, then there are us who believe in bitcoin.
For all bitcoin believer :
1. Dont be panic and keep holding your coins. Bitcoin is the big thing like gold or maybe diamonds, and nobody use gold or diamonds for daily payments.
2. Remember, people that use bitcoin is massive, so much more than other coins, so it is normal to have a lot of transaction. Not to mention this is considered a high time (christmas + new year eve) season, and the price really goes up before, so people want to cash some to use money to spend on this holiday, or buying things, so i guess it is normal.
3. We, bitcoiners, are doing bitcoin because we want profit right? okay, seeing that price jumps so high, it is natural that a lot (yes a lot) of people do transaction, whether it is exchange, selling, or moving to another wallet.
4. Thats it i guess for bitcoiner. Because i believe there will be many people that hold bitcoin read this topic.

For all bitcoin cash believer :
1. I know you guys want some money, easy money, but just be careful, bitcoin cash is not a decentralized currency, it is owned and operated 51% by a group of criminal in an "making money via online" world. It is like you store your money into the bank and the owner is the robber itself.
2. Do you bitcoin cash believer has a real prove that one of bitcoin.com founder sold all his bitcoins? If yes, then show us !
3. And last, come on, you provoke people with some lowly rank account? Why? Because you scared if your " real" account known as FUD? And it can disturb your earning in BITCOIN on this forum? Well some of you has high rank i guess, maybe you re the person behind these low rank account (newbie etc) ?

maybe you are right  because small payment  really takes  a lot of time. and it is bother me. to my mind it will be better to use one coin  for small and big payments

Even though bitcoins cash might surpass bitcoins i will still pursue on holding the bitcoins and keep on making it increase because i started on this coins so i will further continue till the value will increase to the highest level.

Nowhere in satoshi's vision was Bitcoin to be used only for expensive things. And right now I don't think there is a single real business that uses it as such. All current real users are making small payments, and this market is dieing. I'm not saying BTC Cash is the future, because it's not. It has the exact same problem. But unless these transaction fees are not lowered only speculators will use BTC. And no coin can survive long term with just speculators.

Some people see Bitcoin as speculative means to speculate and make easy gains.
It's just an utterly idiotic thing to do and to look at Bitcoin as speculative "Gold" and not as means of payment.

Officially as of today we stopped supporting Bitcoin and we pay our members in Bitcoin Cash, it's officially done.

HODL BTC  ;D

Well, there is no other opinion that price is not affordable for the microtransactions when it comes to Bitcoin but things will definitely get better soon and I don't see any other good and the long-term option at the moment. It's too early to label 'DEAD' not only to Bitcoin but any other serious and struggling coin as things are not developed yet and even the beta app doesn't work well during development so being optimistic, I think we should give it some time.

now people have moved to bitcoin cash because bitcoin prices are very expensive, besides the number of bitcoin around the world is getting less. at this time people are choosing altcoin instead of bitcoin because bitcoin will be destroyed.

If those high fees will remain like this it will be destroyed.

BTC for Hold, BCash for payments. Also, we do not forget about the possibility to use ATMs for BCash withdrawal.

That was a glitch in gdax and you know it. Trading was stoppped as soon as they noticed the problem, I have read where only a few transactions actually were made, it is in no way an indication as to where bch is heading.

As to the title of your thread https://99bitcoins.com/bitcoinobituaries/?

Coinbase is just a website, you don't have to use it.
We don't use it to buy Bitcoin neither.

The headlines about Bitcoin Cash with Coinbase are simply irrelevant and meaningless.

Ridiculous fees,Bottlenecked transactions,Unstable prices......BTC has cut it's own throat and is Hemorrhaging. if the Devs don't get control soon BTC will die and BCC wll take it's place. FACT

Not even close

Fees are up, due to hundreds of thousands of new customers.

Transactions are up, due to hundreds of thousand of new customers

Unstable prices, due to past 30 days of phenomenal growth in price, this is just a correction.

BCH, pumped by Roger Ver and his ilk, it will not last and soon it will return to it former position.

BTC, has been pronounced dead at last count it was up around 300 times....and counting....

No wonder why people move to Bitcoin Cash. Look at the fees right now it is very disappointing. Small or big, it doesn't matter at all. I find the fees very unreasonable in every certain respects compared to Bitcoin cash.

yeah , but i think not bitcoin cash , but some other cheap coin that have low price and fast transaction like xrp or stellar ....

well bitcoin cash becomes expensive too, so people move to next cryptocurrency...

If its true that they can manage small payment with lower fee, i think.this is the future system how we can manage the payment with bitcoin. I was interest also with that

Well, i guess it will also serve as a payment system. But I think btc will still be manage to keep those small transaction.

I guess bitcoin cash will serve as a backup that will help and support our payment system.

It is kinda hard to beat bitcoins that easily and yes i see that bitcoin cash are getting expensive in the market but still i am believing that bitcoins will come back because i hold a lot of bitcoins and i am not lossing hope because if i do then it is like i am gonna destroy all of my investment. It is just a roller coaster ride just wait for the next pump. Take the opportunity of buying bitcoins in a much lower price and when it pumps your holdings Will be worth more than it is gonna be.

yes, BTC value is too big and transaction fee so high. we should use other coin for plan B

plenty of alt coins that provide scalable alternative. Look at DAG solutions like byteball or even other blockchain solutions like skycoin. What saddens me is this speculation madness where all the headlines are covered by BTC price increases and the focus on actual usage is lost entirely.

Is 10% recommended for transactions with high amount ??? (I know I know, the pun is intended, for large amounts it will not be 10%). But anyway, the situation is critical with bitcoin in my view.

Bitcoin will be like gold, it will hold so much value but you cant use it to purchase things.

Unfortunately, I guess that BTC can be replaced by the most advanced fork sometimes. It could be Bitcoin cash or Super Bitcoin. I think that the moment of Segwit2X implementation refusing was the point of no return. Now BTC is slowly going to die. I wish to be wrong.

There once was a time where bitcoin showed off its low transfer costs and even had memes about it. Now however the fees are insane and very unrealistic. I think many people are starting to look into other currencies. To be honest I think we should stick mostly with bitcoin because it will be fixed and something will be done. It has to...

Morelikely BTC is starting to burst today, -20% lose for the btc holders right now and seems it will still go down.

Bitcoin Cash is not a future, it's cancer.
Very volatile, centralized and controlled by a greedy and immoral leader who will do anything to make more money.

Say Thanks to Roger Ver for 280+ thousand unconfirmed transactions and $50 average fee.
People supporting Cash only for one reason — it's volatile and allows to make quick money.

I wouldn't say they are dead, i'd use the term hibernating. Bitcoin is dipping now, but who know's what will happen in the new year.
Bitcoin Cash also went on a roller coaster ride.
But since all coins except XRP are on a dip, it would be wise to consider buying now and Hodling til they rise again.

Just took the words out of my mouth. Definitely one of the most nasty things for the last couple of months. Give a people easy way to make some money and they'll awe you so you can control them easily.

Devs should really work on lightening network to make transactions cheap and fast.

I have not sent small payments in Bitcoin for a long time. The commission is very high. This problem should be solved and the block size increased to at least 2Mb. Otherwise BTC would be replaced by alts.

Bitcoin is now used as a storing funds. The first digital currency has already turned out to be the most valuable digital assets. We now have lots of choices of alternative coin for small payment but bitcoin cash is not reliable. Its value being strongly controlled and I have no faith in it. 

This guy is kidding, i dont understand why you all are paying attention to this funny guy.
Bitcoin is not dead, maybe he is right about saying that you can not use bitcoin for small payments anymore, but replacing it with bitcoin cash? Came on, you have been paid by Roger, just say the truth..

Another problem is people think that high fees = more btc to make for miners but it doesn't. Yes you will make more per transaction but if you only solving 5 per day for 30% of it's total value when you could be solving 50 per day at only 5% of it's value. We need more transactions with lower fees gong through this will benefit miners and users.

Most are people hold bitcoin are just for investment, they just keep and hold. They seldom use bitcoin to purchase something, only a few people are use for purchasing..

Yes! If we can change fee when sent Bitcoin! Now, wỉthdaw bitcoin from exchang spend 0.001 bitcoỉn! Very huge!

So is this your argument to support BCH? Really? You gotta get something more serious to exposure your ideas about bitcoin. Nobody is moving to bitcoin cash and stop spreading wrong information about bitcoin.

Commissions are too high, but I heard that it was highly manipulated by trash transactions? Anyway bitcoincash could have a future only in the case of bitcoin stagnation without progress ... and for sure BCH needs the same mass spread and adoption. Only trading on exchanges is not enoupgh to become a FUTURE; D

Bcash is trash, we need people to stop advertising it, because it will ruin the cryptocurrency market. Look at who's running it...Roger Ver - is this really the face of someone you want to represent your coin?  ???

bitcoincash is also usless, we need segwit and ligthening network!

The price is a little fake, there is nobody posting in this forum that sold the coin at that price. If there was then where they at?

Yes, you are absolutely right. Now there is no sense in conducting small transactions with Bitcoin. I use Ethereum, Waves. Personally, I do not use bitcoin cash, but I see that many people have already completely switched to it. A month ago it was considered a fake without a future. And now Cash at the peak of popularity. The world of crypto currency is very variable.

Small payments have not been an option in bitcoin for quite some time so it is nothing new, the fees have been prohibitive for some time, however that problem is lessened if you use segwit since the fee is going to cut down, however we still need to wait and see if the lightning network is going to work as intended and if that is the case then bitcoin could become an option once again to make small payments.

I mainly use ETHEREUM to move money around and really I don't see the point of Bitcoin Cash except the fact that it was cloned from Bitcoin and ROGER VER, JIHAN WU and a bunch of other people want to make bank off of the back of Bitcoin by constantly forking the crap out of it. Anyway I do not mind how many coins there are in the market as there is room for everyone and there are other coins far superior than Bitcoin cash that are cheap and fast for transactions, but everyone has their preferred choices.

That's right, small transactions are not worth it anymore...

I used to buy games (humble bundle - kinguin - ...) for a few US dollars a while back. Now it's not an option...  :(

If Bitcoin development team does not change anything to reduce commissions then it's likely that Bitcoin Cash can come out on top

It´s true that Bitcoin has huge problems with the fees and the time to complete the transactions, however it doesn´t mean that Bitcoin Cash is the solution to these problems. There are other altcoins that are better than bitcoin cash, but they are less popular.

Yeah, i agree. When i pay something with small amount, i get big fees than total pay. But, i'm not agree that bitcash is the future than bitcoin. It's altcoin. Bitcash can't born without bitcoin. And i'm not sure with bitcash and bitcash's team. I'm not follow that's altcoin.

I prefer dash,ltc,doge so many of them i will never touch Roger de Ver coins never

I now use very often Cash. But altcoins I buy for bitcoin and the big commission can not be avoided. From the commission you can not go anywhere if alt is in bitcoins.

Ask Peter Schiff about GoldMoney :)

If you want the future you have to envision where a coin will be in that future. What trends do you see now that will continue in the future.

Bitcoin cash is just another coins in the market, Yes its true bitcoin is not good for small transactions because of the high fees right now.

Looks like BTC not good variant for usual daily transactions. Even lowest commission 10-20k sat is not small now. But BTC good as trading tool and as the underlying asset and as investment instrument

I think it will dip down to the 13k range starting tomorrow or maybe even this evening before rebound back to the 15k range within a few days thereafter.

My thoughts are that if it was going to rebound strongly, then would't be seeing this sideways activity . Even bears take a break over the Christmas holidays.

ok i'll tell you something about the subject of the post
bitcoin is bad for small payments and bitcoincash is good for small payments right now
but it doesnt mean that bitcoin cash is the future.. it wont be good for small payments also when it grows more

the future of small payments are coins with big supply because then even when the marketcap is big, the coins costs 1-5$ and the fee is not that important..

I am also fed up with the situation with bitcoin. My transaction is taking more than 2 weeks. Talking about the speed of transcations of bitcoins makes me sad  :'(

Bitcoin has long stopped to be a coin for payments, it is an asset to be traded. We will have other coins for small payments in future.

Was thinking of same the past week when I sent 15 USD bitcoins to an exchange and paid 7 USD for transaction fees. I was awe. who will do that? Does the miners want bitocoins to go out of existence. If we believe bitcoins is the future currency and is to replace banks, then is a wishful thinking?

True that, bitcoin isn't comfortable for small transactions anymore, it's more for investments. But Bitcoin Cash isn't an answer, as I know Cash is centralized and that's break all the point of cryptocurrency. It's no sense in using it, I prefer other coins.

Yes, this is an alarming problem. For small transactions, the transaction fee can exceed the transfer amount. Bitcoin turns into a VIP-coin gradually

Now there is strong activity in the market. When it is quieter, the price per transaction will decrease. But you are right in something. If the cost of bitcoin goes further up, then for small transactions it will not be possible

Bitcoin right now is not practical to use in small transactions. It is now used for a long term investment and not suitable for payments on our necessities.

I think it will end up in range of 17k during the new year and falling now is little dangerous because it has already fall few days back only and started to recover from that low. Also now for smaller transaction btc is not at all a viable option left anymore. So switching to any other fork coins or altcoin is the only option left now.

I have to thanks to my government then, because they aren't allowed its citizens to use bitcoin as a means of payment, hence we can just save it on our own wallet in the hope to get good profit after some period of time.

It's been dead for quite a while, bitcoin is only a digital asset in my opinion and there's a lot of other coin that is better as a digital currency. Bitcoin cash is indeed good food small payment and the things left to do is to have more merchant accept it as a payment option. The coin with faster adoption will win the race to become the digital currency.

Yeah, you can put it that way. LOL But I think the government was talking about imposing the tax on cryptocurrency and not only in bitcoin. Nevertheless, bitcoin is just for investment and not suitable for other means.

Bitcoin is a nightmare for small payments, but the altcoin of payments like OMG and PAY is much better than BCH, and why BCH?

I like bitcoin cash better than bitcoin, and i have bought large amount of bcc at a very low price, so it has brought much profit for me.

Yeah why BCH? Bitcoin cash is just another coin on the market. It claims as the hardfork of BTC but I still think its just another altcoins.

I think it's too early to judge the fate of bitcoin because of it high cost of transactions. After the New Year there will be a lull and the price should be adjusted

I still don't get the attraction of bitcoin cash. Not trolling, I genuinely don't get it.
I understand the fact that bitcoin is no longer useable for its original purpose - it has become a store of value, like gold as is often said, or like fine art, valued for its scarcity and with no inherent utility.
And I understand that bitcoin cash is a cheaper and faster alternative - but the thing is, it's not the cheapest and fastest thing out there, it's nothing next to - one example - XRP.

IMO there are many better cryptos than bch for small payments. We just need adoption.

Bitcon Cash is not the answer to scalability problems.
The only thing that bch does different is different blocksize.
It has already been proven over and over again that it won't make a dent in the scalability problem if bch sees btc's amount of user base.

On top of that, bch is just flat out scammy as hell.
The main developers are trying their best to strong arm people into seeing bch as the "real" bitcoin.
Using posts such as this one and fud to drive prices up.
Joining powers with whales to make mass manipulations of the marketplace.

In the end, the one that will make decentralized crypto mainstream and usable on a daily basis, will probably not even be bitcoin or any of it's forks at all.
But a next evolution in the blockchain.
Heck, btc's tech is already 10 years old, something better will replace it, and that is not bch.

Due to High transaction fees and long confirmation hours make BTC unsuitable for small payment. BCH on the other hand, being the hard fork of BTC, Have same feature of BTC with an add on of small fees and fast confirmation. This has made BCH quite popular among people in last few days.

Somehow that was true. Bitcoin payments for small transactions are really getting slower than before even though the price of Bitcoin is continuously rising , but the operation are also getting slower as the price rises making many people to get pissed off from waiting for their payments to be confirmed as pay out. I wonder why people are getting their self engage with Bitcoin Cash maybe because it is much better version of cryptocurrency. How I wish that this matter concerning the payments will be fixed so that Bitcoin will be the best choice for investment proper same with transaction purposes.

Probably partly right, still a long way ahead i hope for Bitcoin and Bitcoincash, the transactioncost for BTC are to high for me, i switched to Bitcoin Cash, hopefully a smart move.

Interesting post. Which crypto-currency do you think as the best value and is the most adapted to current needs when it comes to everyday anonymous transactions? Monero? Or perhaps Verge (XVG)?

Monero comes to the privacy coin, it will not the same as the bitcoin cash. But ripple and DAG system may offers a better scalability than the actual coin that used the blockchain as the main network. remember DAG cost zero fees and ripple with its instant transaction. We are not seriously need anonymous transaction when all of the thing still encrypted by Hash algorithm.

It is incorrect to see bitcoin fees as a percentage of the amount you are trying to transact since that is not the way bitcoin works, bitcoin fee is based on the size of the transaction that is why you can try to send 0.001BTC and have  fee higher than what you are trying to send and you can have a transaction of 100BTC charging exactly the same fee, it may seem unfair but that is the way bitcoin works.

I also constantly hear about it, but bitcoin never died.   :D I also hope that the problem with transactions will be solved.

Yup, this is happening more often lately. Komodo Platform immediately adopted Bitcoin Cash when it became impossible/inefficient to make atomic swaps with Bitcoin due to fees and waiting time. They pretty much said (but unconfirmed if it will happen) that the dICO projects they host, they will suggest using Bitcoin Cash to raise funds instead of Bitcoin!

This thread makes me reflect on why there are other altcoins out of there,some must be more efficient in some aspects but perhaps more vulnerable in others.

I like Sexcoin (SXC) better than Bitcoin Cash. It's got a better looking dev team.

In my opinion, bitcoin has ceased to be a means of payment. It is impossible to buy something with such huge commissions. Perhaps bitcoin will remain a means of investment.

If bitcoin has no real use case, why would it's value continue to grow?

The mempool is snowballing again. So here we go again.

Meanwhile , Bitcoin cash is still maintaining Transactions with fees under $0.01

That will only be true once we have tried all the possible solutions and nothing works, there are two solutions being tested one on bitcoin and another on bitcoin cash, bitcoin is going to use segwit plus the Lightning Network and bitcoin cash is going to use bigger and bigger blocks and in the next year we are going to see which one of those solutions work the best.

Because of the high commission, I can use bitcoin only as an investment tool and do not see a big future for this coin. Many altcoins will be able to develop thanks to a lower commission.
         

Bitcoin payments are a nightmare for micropayments, but I don't think BCH can replace BTC, and there will be more encrypted money to replace it.

This is contrary to my country though, where people are now enjoying and taking advantage on how easy bitcoin transactions are. Such as in paying bills and online shopping. Those are the top 2 ways on how people utilize their respective bitcoin as payments or for transactions.

Its true that bitcoin cash is really growing its value but for me, Bitcoins is still the the best cryptocurrency because it can grow its value immediately and it will also decrease sometimes but that's normal. The only way for us to earn profit in the market is the volatile value of every coin so we should always think on our strategy before investing or selling.

We are seeing bitcoin settling in as a place to store value so it is definitely dead for small transactions...for now.  Btc can always adopt changes to make transaction fee lower and speed up transactions and the market will have to figure out if btc can be more than a store of value. The way I see it, bch is competing more with the Itc's of the world.

there's already forks with like 0.00000001 comissions  ::) (watch achain doing fork for example)

Actually the adoption MAY KILL a seamingy low fee cryptocurrency. Look at bitcoin: it had nice and small fees a few years ago. Now look again, today. My thinking goes along the following lines: the higher adoption, the more transactions, the harder to fit all the transactions into a blockchain, then the miners can freely choose only high fee transactions for their confirmations and then we arrive at a high fee problem.

I agree. Bitcoin shouldn't be used for micro payments! The fees are horrifying...

I'm before the same problem about member payout for small payout.
Fortunately my system integrate this high fees problem because my members are as well "owner" of the system.
But it can be the end for little transactions,But I'm sure solutions will be found to put together the "dust".
Solutions like "faucethub" will be found,I'm sure.

In my opinion, the bubble will not burst for a long time, there is no reason for this. Bitcoin should grow smoothly in 2018, without sudden jumps.

Bitcoin is an asset, and should be treated like gold, gold is not for day to day payments

That is a huge mistake, the population of the world are not going to use 20 different currencies, most people only hold two types of currencies, their local currency and dollars or euros, you cannot expect that a shop will accept 20 different coins, there are only going to be at most two coins accepted and it is obvious to me that the two coins leading the race as a currency are bitcoin and litecoin.

Have you agreed to use green address? Low fees? I bet you didn't! I bet you haven't heard of it.

Another thing - lightning network is in development, so when they finish with it be ready for low fees and fast transactions.

Indeed, while it can be considered that bitcoin for small payments is dead, since such payments are already economically unprofitable, the commission fee is on average now $ 40 which makes small payments impractical. In order for bitcoin to revive, it is necessary to urgently eliminate this problem otherwise it will continue to lose its popularity and eventually may leave the market.
    Whether the bitcoin is replaced by bitcoin in cash will show the time. Although it is quite possible.

BitCash is a temporary solution. We need other options.

I would definitely not talk of Bitcoin as dead in the means of payments that can be made. But its true, a transaction of a small amount in BTC is kind of useless with the high fees that are currently having theirs ways with us. However Im not really into Bitcoin Cash and dont think that this currency will replace Bitcoin anytime soon. I believe that there are much better projects out there that can be used for small or even micropayments. Im looking forward to the developments EOS will bring to the table this year.

because bitcoin's fee is higher and higher , i am already use other method for small payment

such like ethereum or others . i hope bitcoin's fee will come back low.

I like your comparison over there, Bitcoins is very profitable today since market is volatile and it was a huge advantage for those restaurants and even online store to use cryptocurrency as a payment method to pay bills, in this case, the products and goods will be a lot cheaper.

The transaction fees will drop as soon as trading volume drops due to number of small value transactions decreasing, until the fees are low again. There are plenty of alternatives for small payments.

You are so wrong to use bitcoin as payment at first,the network congestion are getting worst,you should be paying doge if you want faster transaction or other fast tx confirmation coins out there.

Actually we first need secure and easily usable wallets that can be used for fast transactions by anyone. Until then, no wide spread adoption.

btc is sure not a way to make small transactions

Bitcoin certainly is not suitable for small transactions, but you can keep your investments in it. I think that soon more promising coins will come to replace bitcoin, bitcoin will of course remain, but I think he will go to the background, most importantly bitcoin played a role he helped many people to believe in the crypt

The future is not Bcash, bcash is of ROGER VER. He owns bitcoin.com and hates bitcoin. Go figure that one out, he is a dickhead who copied bitcoin and tries to claim it his own. A future coin would probably be one with a more healthy concept you know... Good team that made their OWN blockchain and didn’t call it bitcoin haha.

Dogecoin is fast payment and low fees.
but bitcoin always good future , if you want fast paymet you using Dogecoin for spend.
but if you want good future bitcoin is answers guys.

Bitcoin had fast transaction times and low fees too when it was used by almost no one. The reason the real Bitcoin has high fees is because people are willing to pay that amount to be included in the blockchain. Bcash is useless. If you want fast and small transactions you can use hundreds of other coins like Dogecoin, Litecoin etc.

Fees can be high, I understand that. But I don't think that bitcoin cash is the ''future''. I have seen many bad comments about the bitcoin cash so far, and I don't trust that coin.

I think the fee is a solvable problem and I hope that it will be solved in a near future.

Agreed about Litecoin, which is a better version of Bitcoin IMO, while Bitcoin Cash is pretty much a Bitcoin clone coming from a fork and getting popular because if its name + some big hype from Roger Ver and the likes.

Yes, now it is very difficult and senseless to make small payments in BTC. The commission exceeds the payment amount and this makes bitcoin useless for small payments. If this does not change new people will not want to use bitcoin. And this will lead to a drop in the popularity of the crypto currency. But I do not think that BCC is the solution to the problem. This coin depends too much on the founder.

Not only for BTC
every small cryptos payment are more or less not interesting because the fees.

For ethereum it is in average nowadays $0.50 up to $1.00
Small transactions have so a very high fees rate.

During the sharp jumps in the bitcoin rate, the transaction really lasts a very long time. The commission for the transfer is also very much increasing. At this time bitcoin ceases to be a means of payment. But I think bitcoin continues to be a means of investment.

I believe in ethereum, in my opinion bitcoin will exist for several more years, and then it will go to retirement. The future of ethereum should be promising.  :)

You almost read my thoughts. I also think that bitcoin will retire in a couple of years. It's time to give way to younger and more promising coins.  :D

Bitcoin will remain king, all these coins are weighed up against bitcoin. And bitcoin will go through it's needed developments as well.
What if btc all of the sudden adds smart contracts?

Then I'll first run to sell my altcoins to buy bitcoin on them.  ;D Smart contracts are very important for future crypto currency.

Yes, definitely bitcoin has flaws. These shortcomings have become noticeable in the periudes of a high load on the bitcoin network. If no serious changes occur in bitcoin, then in the future we will lose bitcoin.

micropayment its the battle between lightning adoption or move to bch!

Yes there are some flaws in bitcoin which is been getting unwanted attentions like higher transaction charges and all but on the other hand we have crypto currencies with zero transaction fees and better features so there is a lot which has to be changed if bitcoin wants to remain leader of crypto world.

i dont agree with you. bitcoin cash is a shit coin. lightning transfer feature will come to bitcoin and it will be the best payment method.

Yes, changes are necessary to bitcoin. Without modernization, this coin will soon be useless to anyone.  ;)

I do not think that bitcoin will die and bitcoin cache completely replace it. I think the ether will soon be the leader, and bitcoin cache will be the younger brother of bitcoin.

Yes, indeed, during the peak loads for bitcoins, the transfer fee is unreasonably high. Use bitcoin as a payment tool is unbearable. Many of my friends no longer make payments through bitcoin.

You and your frinds are not alone who thinks so. The payment operator Stripe announced that it will leave bitcoin within the next three months and completely abandon it on April 23. A long time of transaction processing, an increase in the number of unsuccessful transactions and growing charges made bitcoin less in demand among Stripe users.  
http://www.businessinsider.com/stripe-ends-its-bitcoin-payments-product-2018-1

LTC might be a better option?

Low price and no-fee txns?

Faster and gaining traction among online commerce and payments.

Litecoin is indeed sort of a better version of Bitcoin.
By the way talking about Bitcoin Cash, the community is ready to increase the block size to 32 MB last time I checked, don't think it was necessary yet, wonder if this was to manipulate the price, we'll know more about this news soon.

I told many time in forum and I'm going to remind again.

Bitcoin: Gold like investment asset/tool
Bitcoin Cash: Payment tool/currency.

Please accept this reality. It doesn't decrease BTC's value or historical development. Embrace the sensible way.

In my opinion, commissioning the ightning network will give a new burst of power to bitcoin. Instant payments without commission mean a lot in the modern world.  ;)

I do not think bitcoincash is the right option for micropayments. In my opinion i would use xrp ripple for micropayments. The transactions are very cheap and super fast. Also it is a major and very stable altcoin. So the risk of loosing value during the transaction is very small.

That seems unlikely, it may happen of course but the development of bitcoin continues and the developers are doing everything they can to maintain bitcoin relevant besides any coin based on the blockchain is going to have the same troubles as bitcoin so a new coin with new technology will have to appear to change this and I do not see any coin ready to do that.

wondering nothing because i see no people moving to bitcoin cash lol..i admit that in december bitcoin transactions fucked,that so many has experienced bigger fees and long period of delayed..but that doesnt mean transfering of bitcoin users to that bitcoin cash.and if didnt realiss why still now the second coin cant make it on top?because hes just only a copycat,with those whales and miners and developers at hes back to pump it up for good publicity.

Yes, it is true that small payments of BItcoin has a transaction fee much larger than the transaction costs. I'm  using Bitcoin in a large transaction only so that I will not feel the large transaction fees. I am also thinking that due to rise of Bitcoin value that is why they are charging us of high transaction fees.

Yes, you can use almost any altcoin, the choice is very wide. You can use for example litecoin or ethereum. I do not like ripple because banks control this crypto currency.

Ethereum fees are very low nowadays.
it is why I have create the token WSPU2 to save much fees.

While it may be true that bitcoin is indeed facing some scaling issues currently, I see no reason why a buggy Bitcoin Cash would replace it as a payment system when there are many other altcoins next in-line such as Eth or even Ripple.

Ethereum fees is most suitable for transaction, when after using ethereum I send payments in BTC I was dissatisfied. >:(

Bitcoin cash is a trashy coin,ethereum is a lot better than this copycat,ethereum has a solid platform and community which bitcoin cash doesnt have.Ethereum would repalce bitcoin if BTC will come to its end.

The cost of expensive bitcoin transactions is influenced by the bitcoin price itself, the factor of the number of users who send bitcoin also affects transaction costs. Bitcoin is not suitable for small amounts of payment. if we say bitcoin like a diamond, will you buy a plate of food using a diamond?

It makes a lot of sense, I usually do it with ETH but fees have been going up while speed has been going down so I might try DOGE for a bit.
Anyhow, transferring BTC to BTC is insanity imo, fees are way too high and the speed is slower than me just going to bittrex's building, ripping out the server that has my BTC stored in it and bringing that server to another exchange.

Bitcoin has become a bad steward of the platform. Its values has caused it to become useless. Btc has more flaws than features currently ( relative to other equally available coins). That being said, I'll never get totally out of btc. Kind of like how people frame the first dollar paid at a restaurant, it will serve as a trophy or representative of success in the space.

It's not useless if it's bringing in millions of potential investors a month who will inevitably invest in other coins too.

Very subjective point of view, because you can very easily buy bitcoin and wait for it to cost several hundred thousand dollars for 1BTC, do you think that 21.000.000 BTC for the whole human race will be enough for the price of $ 10,000? I think that the price for it will be higher than a million dollars

Even if Bitcoin is dead for small payments, it doesn't automatically goes to Bitcoin Cash.
There are way better coins out there, including IOTA and Nano, that have zero fees.
Even Stellar Lumens makes for a much better coin than Bitcoin Cash and even Litecoin that have only delayed the scalability issue.

The thing which you said is already around us. You can check small payments with bitcoin. I am nowadays putting too much lower fees and the transaction is confirmed very faster within a minute. So it means that you can also do small payments with bitcoin and the fees you put on it will not be required as a bigger which we were used to put a few months ago. Now bitcoin is much smoother in transactions.

I don't think so, theres still litecoin.

I think bitcoin will never die very cheap because bitcoin demand is very high everyone wants bitcoin and not only that bitcoin is also supported by all founders and companies who already use bitcoin for its payment if bitcoin price collapsed is sure to be many who bought it, but for bitcoin cash it seems I still doubt it because bitcoin cash is still not much supported by other coin, with bitcoin cash is still a little coin that I can buy.

We just need to wait for the implementing of Lightning Network. Fees are going to be extremely low and the speed will increase to the VISA and XRP level.

But I agree, when you were creating this thread, fees were unbelievably high, something like 6$ for a standard transaction.

The cost of expensive bitcoin transactions is influenced by the bitcoin price itself, the factor of the number of users who send bitcoin also affects transaction costs. Bitcoin is not suitable for small amounts of payment. if we say bitcoin like a diamond, will you buy a plate of food using a diamond?

I do not agree...the fees depend on the number of transactions and how much the sender fix the fees and above all it depends on the dust in your wallet.

Exactly. Although a fork of Bitcoin, creator Charlie Lee has stated that Litecoin works best as a transactional complement to Bitcoin’s use as a store of value. As Bitcoin implements the Lightning Network and the two coins become interchangeable through Atomic Swaps, it’s possible for Bitcoin’s scaling issues to be a thing of the past.

What are you people talking about? Bitcoin is much much cheaper now then it was before. I paid $0.50 sending just over $300 the other day. Much better then when it was like $12-20 that was insane and a crazy time. Funny to think bitcoin went up in price during that time too.

this is why bitcoin is didn't meet the terms and conditions as currency
so, i like to call bitcoin is a digital asset
the excess of bitcoin is only privacy and decentralized, and i believe in the future of cryptocurrency privacy coin will be the champion
but with less and very small transactions fee  ;)

ooo congrulations for 100. new bitcoin ideas :)

please there is one king and this is bitcoin.

we do not need similar projects and ideas. We need innovative approaches..

There is nothing wrong if one day many people will switch from Bitcoin to small payment business because of the lack of transactions at the time of transaction and cost so it is impossible if you have to use Bitcoin, and for BCH is the right solution because the transaction cost is also cheap fast.

Yes, we must admit the obvious. Bitcoin recently did not fulfill its main function as a means of payment, and above all it was related to small-sized payments, in which commission fees almost equaled the amount of transfer. However, bitcoin is restored. After the release of a new version of bitcoin, which is fully supported by SegWit, the main problem with scaling bitcoin and the amount of commission fee is solved. All this goes right back to normal. Many note that bitcoin has become much faster and commission fees are decreasing. So even this time bitcoin did not die. Only while it is unclear why he does not want to grow in price, despite the fact that almost all the reasons that hampered his growth, have disappeared.

it is a miracle bitcoin is still alive today. are you wondering why bitcoin is above bitcoin cash despite you saying people are moving to bitcoin cash?. people still choose bitcoin that is why it is number one compare to your coin that is rank lower.

Yes, it is. Bitcoin now only suitable for holding large funds. I think it will soon be a new ICO which is able to solve this problem, the distribution of funds.