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Not all gold dealers accept BTC, but some of them do and we can already choose BTC in the drop-down preferred payment method.

If more bitcoin enthusiasts played that game, there will be more BTC accepting dealers and more BTC transactions  ;)


Please read, that game shares something else with bitcoin, a limited amount of gold:

GoldenTowns is an economic, political and military simulator in which virtual gold can be converted into real money or exchanged for real gold. The game relies on a paper published by Mr. Vlad Cristian (CEO ANNO1777 Labs) in 2011, describing a deflationary economic system in which the amount of virtual currency is fixed and 100% covered by real gold. In GoldenTowns there is a limited amount of virtual gold (100.000 GoldenTowns Coins or GTC) which is distributed gradually, at a constant pace, to the players. The entire amount is covered by an increasing amount of real gold, measured in 24k ingots.

Everything is fully transparent,  you can see all activities and all statistics.

GoldenTowns.com (http://www.goldentowns.com)


http://opportunitiesfromhome.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/GoldenTownsBannerWeTrustInGold.jpg

Yeah this seems good but in fact is akin to free to play apps and games, i.e. all actions are incredibly slow but pressure the option of spending real money to finish instantly.

How do you make btc from the site ?

Is this site bitcoins for playing game what is the minimum payout of the site.

this site doesn't accept LastPass generated passwords because of some illegal characters, not the strongest security tbh :)

but i'll give it a try :>

@Shallow, in GoldenTowns it would help if you simply calculate what will be more profitable for you.  Some members play,sell and profit without never buying any virtual gold, but having it to spend when needed, surely helps.  But again, it is a pure calculation, and if you know what you are doing, you will be on plus in no time, at least in GoldenTowns. 

I've never played any strategy games online, always laughed at all these FB games etc, but what I saw inside, have impressed me so much, that I started learning and playing in a hurry.  Today, I not only play, I earn from it daily and... I highly enjoy it  :)

 

How?  Simple, you sell your products and sell your virtual gold for BTCs.

There is  a host to guide your first steps, numerous tutorials, both official one and from members (you can find articles for beginners in almost all langage) and of course the FAQ pages.

There really isn't any minimum, as soon as you reach 60% in hapiness level, you can sell all raw products and for gold you do not need anything at the moment, just produce and sell ( having higher happiness level always helps, for your workers live longer and you need workers to mine your gold and upgrade your mine...)  Well, you will figure everything out in no time  ;)

I do not know much about that, but I think their security is OK.  There is a lot of money inside...

Is it free or investment required

Masking ref links is what it's come to? Come on, at least tell us if you're going to use a referral link.

I tought that Referals Links are prohibited.

It looks like a nice game, do you own it?
Also, anyone cashed out yet?
300+ people online, nice!  I love playing these kinds of games :P

If it's by the same guys as anno1777, it's probably legit.

No-one has gotten enough gold yet to cash out.

I have joined the game. can you help how to earn gold from the site.

Super, a lot to answer  :)

@Xanis, thanks for heading my recommendations and if you ever get stacked or need help, please let me know in pm, I gladly give you a hand

@krishatnet, it is completely free.  Members sometimes buy extra energy or some raw materials, at times when they want to build something faster, instead of patiently waiting, they pay to finish it instantly with virtual gold, but there are many members who never deposited anything from their own money and now they are selling their gold...

So yep, there is NOT any investment required; of course, you can invest, you can buy game shares, town shares, bonds, but this is fully optional, the game is free.



@ DiamondCartz


Please look: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=297290.0

From the very beginning I've had hard time with my links here.  When I just posted them, my posts were deleted or I was being accused of not formatting them properly, so yep, this is formating not masking  ;)  I did not mean to go against any regulations, and I saw a post about this game in Marketplace, here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=292624.msg3380278#msg3380278, like I said there, I did not want to hijack that post, and I trusted that the news about them accepting BTC was worth a post in Services

And you know, to write without ref link, does not make too much sense, please read this, it is from our GoldenTalk Forum, Questions & Answers section:

"Question:   if someone does not have a sponsor, (signed from the main url) is such member gaining that 10% what he would normally pay in taxes to his sponsor, or he     is still paying that but instead to his sponsor to some other found or pool?

Moderator: absolutely ALL accounts, even admin's, have a "sponsor".

majkus: So who will be that sponsor, a random member, admin or...? Who will be the sponsor of someone who registers from http://www.goldentowns.com/ url. You do not have a message there that they need to be invited by someone to register, they can just register from main url without a sponsor...

Moderator: admin or whoever rents this right from him."


So you see, it does not matter.  If you register without a sponsor, you will have one anyway, but an invisible one, such who never be there for you...



@monbux, many members are cashing out there daily, as soon as you are inside, you will be able to see this.  Even from the outside you can see some:

    kwsnni sold 2.11 gold for 10.02 euro ( 4 hours ago )
 
    kwsnni sold 2.11 gold for 10.02 euro ( 4 hours ago )
 
    killam sold 2.25 gold for 10.69 euro ( 8 hours ago )
 
    killam sold 3.00 gold for 14.25 euro ( 8 hours ago )
 
    killam sold 6.00 gold for 28.50 euro ( 8 hours ago )
 
    kwsnni sold 2.11 gold for 10.02 euro ( 6 hours ago )

those are not big amounts, but they do accumulate and when you are inside, you can see all the activities, you see how people are selling.


@DiamondCardz, it is An Anno1777 producton


@ krishatnet, how you earn, first you build your town, produce your raw materials and soon you will be able to put your first mine and get your first gold.  

GoldenTowns is a construction simulator. You initially receive a small village which you have to develop into a prosperous town. A larger town signifies more resources and more virtual gold, that is more real money. You will spend most of the time building roads, houses, factories or managing an ever increasing number of workers. Town development will represent the main activity during the first week in the game...

But do not worry, you do not need a lot of time to play this game, you need to be consistent though, you need to log in periodically to collect your goods, start new productions, new buildings.  It is fun and challenging and it is highly rewarding,  it truly is a great game.

If you register from my ref link, please let me know about it, I give you a hand as much as I can:
http://goo.gl/xXYLeh
 

SCAM ADVICED ABOUT ANNO1777

I sell my account on Anno1777 with a private territory and lots of company's 2 BTC and my account is yours. This games and all anno labs games, they suck and the admins only thing on take your money as fast as they can. When they don't get enough, just change the rules, even if they can kill the game in the process. Now they open a new game that I don't want to play.

The examples of Killam and kwsnni is completely none trustful because they ever get money from the anon labs game while the other players loose it. I don't know if they have games shares or something.

I tried it. It is not very great. Very slow to earn gold.
I suggest coinchat.org over this.
Instead of playing a game where you would earn an mbtc in a week of playing , in coinchat you can earn 5 mbtc ( minimum cashout ) in under an hour.

Someone who spent 9000 $ probably, or that have 1 million affiliates. Don't trust this kind of sites.

Entirely different things, stop advertising.

You don't instantly get gold, Anno1777 games take wits to eventually start farming money at a good rate.

it will be best, if at the very beginning, you were able to log in every 4-6 hours, then every 8-12 hours, then 12-18 h...  in this game consistency pays off really well.  Nope, it is not time consuming, but you need consistency.

"SCAM ADVICED ABOUT ANNO1777", please kindly research that info before posting it here.   Anno 1777, was paying and still is paying and no one can accuse them any scam... No one - except people who want to get something for nothing...    

AND, I never said that you instantly get gold, what kind of game that would be if you get the highest price instantly...

-  what are you risking, a little bit of your time...   ???   Guys, truly, I do not care, you may give it a try or you may think it is just another scam, whatever...    

GoldenTown game is accepting and paying out in BTC!!!

Of course are paying. But if you want to get some changes you need to put money on the game. If you do, and you are lucky you can have "some money". But after a few weeks, if you found a way to win money, they will change the rules so your income will come down, a lot. Why don't you say how many times you change the war games on anno1777 and why most of the people left the game???

Is this game, again, full of romanese people playing with lots of advantage with from the other players??  Is an admin closing accounts while somebody exploits a bug? Is some admin replying mails when some people exploits bugs on private islands and creating companies even if they are not allowed on the admin panel?

Anno1777 have lose its changes for do an excellent game because they only think in get money from the players. Is not a scam? No it is not, they pay. But don't expect to win money neither.

I never played Anno 1777, my sponsor did not play either, and he is not Romanian and he's the top 7th player in GoldenTown game, so it can't be true what you are saying...  

We have Forum and there is a special thread to report all of our issues and potential bugs: http://forum.goldentowns.com/viewforum.php?f=6&sid=9a635e72befabea0183a7625783b17ff  (http://forum.goldentowns.com/viewforum.php?f=6&sid=9a635e72befabea0183a7625783b17ff)

This game is still in an active development and as far as I know, there are not any islands...  (this is completely diffrent game then Anno 1777 and CashTowns... Admin only is closing accounts of members exploiting the system, having several accounts from the same ip, and using such accounts as feeders for the main account.  

I have not spot anything  not honest, and like in an every business, they must make money somehow, so yep, some members are buying and some are building their towns free.    

@DiamondCardz, I appreciate your reply and comment  :):

These kinds of games take lotsa patience.  I earned 30 euro after 2 months on marketglory, not much, but the more you play the game, the more benefits you acquire.  For impatient people like you jambola2, stay out of it :D

Every member can still get game shares and yes, Killam is an official gold and game shares seller but there are other gold owners who were not in Anno or CashTowns...

BTW, it is $0.50 gold per game share  :)

I looked at MarketGlory too, but I like much more my GoldenTown :-)  in addition, there are not BTC in MG...

"the more you play the game, the more benefits you acquire" - this is very much true in GoldenTowns too!

When they open a new game, they leave the old ones so no support and no admins works on it. So be adviced, is a dangerous investment longterm.

oh well Pinger, isn't that normal?  Isn't normal to keep on moving towards better and better things, better and more profitable games and businesses?  Many members said that GoldenTowns is their best yet, plus, it is 100% backed up by real gold, so it is different and its longevity prognoses, cause of that gold, are much higher. 

Plus, this is not an investment program, this is a game; if someone chooses to invest in it, I bet such someone would do their best to get back their money as soon as they can.  And, if their sell their recently mined virtual gold to official gold owners or to other members, they get for it their real money instantly.

Of course, if they invest in shares and bonds, they will have to wait for their profits longer, but my post was not an invitation to invest but an invitation to play and earn some BTCs.

Townshares: "Each town has 10,000 shares, of which 1,000 can be traded. Towns pay dividends to shareholders from time to time, so owning shares in a town can be very lucrative..."

Bonds:    "Each state budget has 100,000 shares, called treasury bonds, of which 10,000 can be traded. State budgets pay dividends to shareholders from time to time, so owning treasury bonds can be very lucrative..."

Game Shares: "If you like Goldentowns and want a piece of it, you can buy game shares. Every time a player spends gold buying an advantage, the gold goes into a fund called the game fund. When this fund reach 100 gold, it will pay dividends to shareholders. There are 1.000.000 game shares, of which 500.000 can be traded..."

I'll take a look at it just to see what it's like.

I have joined as your referral. How to increase happiness.

Upgrade more houses, then build more houses and upgrade those.

Upgrade houses & roads ASAP. Do not build 10 homes and upgrade none, or your happiness will suffer.

Just realized you should probably use a ref link, or you just pay referral taxes to the admin. >_>

Really?  I don't think you pay taxes unless you were referred or attacked and seized.
I think marketglory referrals are a ton more profitable.  in Goldentowns you don't get referral bonuses :/
It's not as well established as marketglory, in my opinion.

Hi Krishanet, thx for joining.  If you do not mind, please give me your GoldenTowns username in pm.

The happiness level is all about the level of your houses.  If you upgrade your houses, your happiness will raise.  Please remember that you need services close to your houses, to be able to progress to higher level:

Dwellings   

Dwellings are used to house citizens. They make for one of the most important buildings in town. A dwelling can accommodate between 2 and 20 citizens. If all the houses are full, you can no longer recruit new citizens. Additionally, the town’s degree of happiness is calculated based on the level of the dwellings. They are the only buildings that can be improved to level 10. Houses do not require employees.

                   Influence

Level 1   10   0   0   0   3h   -
Level 2   20   0   10   0   6h   Market
Level 3   30   10   20   0   9h   Police Station
Level 4   40   20   30   10   12h   Firehall
Level 5   50   30   40   20   15h   Hospital
Level 6   60   40   50   30   18h   Restaurant
Level 7   70   50   60   40   21h   Church
Level 8   80   60   70   50   24h   Bank
Level 9   90   70   80   60   27h   Casino
Level 10   100   80   90   70   30h   Brothel

tl;dr: if you upgrade lots of houses, you win, if you make lots of houses without upgrading, you're fucked.

Yes DiamondCartz, not probably, you surely pay referral taxes to admin or whoever rent that right from them, it could be Killam... for example.

If you are there, please check the post about it in the forum, in Questions and Answers.


@monbux, let us agree to disagree, for me GoldenTowns seems much more fun and ... profitable. 


Nope, the war taxes are something entirely different than ref taxes.  If you were attacked and you were not able to successfully defend that attack and your opponent won and he has troops in your town (meaning your town is occupied) then until you liberate, he receives 10% of everything you earn. When you liberate your town, you do not pay anymore.

tl;dr: if you upgrade lots of houses, you win, if you make lots of houses without upgrading, you're fucked.

Well not completely f... but you will have to demolish some of them and put on their places hospital, restaurant, etc.  You just pay a painful lesson, waste some time and play smarter in the future.  Even if you make many mistakes at the beginning, you still better to keep up with the game then wait 25 days and re-register.  (our accounts, if not logged in for 25 days becoming absolute and we can re-register with the same email and username.

My user name is krishatnet in goldentowns thanks for replying my queries.

Why are you advertising this? Is it related to your GBBG ponzi? Does it accept Bitcoin?

It does accept BTC, yeah.

https://discussbitcoin.org/showthread.php?tid=127&pid=498#pid498 <--- btw

Probably.  This user spams every single referral link he/she could get their hands on.
I do like goldentowns though, but I remember playing a game the exact same as this one, called cashtowns or something.  It closed down, huh.

Do I understand right the more people play this game, thus mining more virtual gold, the less is every mined virtual gold worth ?

Based on the fact you can maybe exchange mined virtual gold for real gold

been playing for a few days now, the game is growing on me :) just reached level 2 :)

Nope, the gold is capped at 100,000. The miners fund is topped up by the game fund. Your gold is always getting more valuable, actually.

@jdebunt, thumbs up for you and best of luck with your town!


@gooryheta,


Is just the direct opposite, for GoldenTown is built at the same principle as bitcoin itself, there is a limited number of virtual gold coins, ( 100,000 )
That fixed amount of gold (100.000) moves from game fund to players and back, and is backed up by a growing amount of pure 24 carat real gold.  

The whole game is based on  a paper published by Mr. Vlad Cristian (CEO ANNO1777 Labs) in 2011, describing a deflationary economic system in which the amount of virtual currency is fixed and 100% covered by real gold. The virtual gold in the game can only increase in value, for there never can be more  than 100,000 coins.


@krishatnet, thank you, I found you there! You rock, I can see that you just started a new productions   :)
Are you maybe on SKype, we have a 'GoldenTowns info chat' room  and help each other. But please feel free to contact me here by PM any time you have a question or you need some help.  Keeping my fingers crossed for you!

@b!z, are you f... blind or something, aren't bitcoins in the subject of this thread.  ??? Get lost moron, no one needs you here; you are a player oh right, but not GoldenTowns player, so yep, get lost from here.

Guys, members like monbux, b!z, and few others, which names I do not want to even mention here, are simply scared by GBBG organization and their projects.  They realize it is a serious competition for their own small scams, this is why they went so fiercely after me from the very beginning...  Please click on my username and check for yourself if I was spamming any threads in this forum.

@DiamondCardz, I understand that you are in the game now, too bad we can't work together...  ;)

Are you willing to help out people who just started? :P

Um, I'm not accusing you of anything.  I'm simply mildly annoyed you posted your referral link here, that's all.

@LaudaM,  sure I am, especially if they register in the game from this url: http://www.goldentowns.com/?i=29289

But even if they do not, I gladly answer here all questions and share some of my team strategy. (some, not all :-)


@monbux, so what was that?
All members here are promoting something, if not directly then in their signatures... and those with the bright links in signatures, often post nasty comments in other people threads, just to turn everyone's attention at them and at their colorful links; such strategy is much worse I think...

From the very beginning I've been writing here about GBBG and their various projects, and now I write about this new game which I already trust and like very much. 

BTW, CoinTasker, the first link in my signature, is my husband's project, but he is not paying me BTC for it ha ha

I already registered without a referral link..

I never accused of GBBG as anything, now did I?
This is not related to your GBBG affiliation in any way.  It's just simple promoting a referral link.
Most of the time mods remove those kinds of referral links, I'm surprised they haven't removed yours yet.

Ask your questions LaudaM, we surely answer them here,  and try to have fun with the game, do not stress too much over strategies,  action is always the best teacher.  

If you want to play without spending any virtual gold, watch your energy.  Especially at the very beginning energy drops pretty fast and then if you do not buy any, there is nothing to do but wait, and... waiting is boring.

Make friends with the Market, especially Products Market, learn to skillfully exchange your raws for exactly the ones you need most at the moment, and pay attention to prices; watch out, if in your country, members just got paid dividends in vegetables, the vegetable price will drop for a day well below average.

Upgrade your roads and existing stractures and keep on adding the basic services as absolutely needed.  Do not hurry with new constructions.

As soon as you are in level 5th, build your first mine and start digging.

When you have some gold, try to make it more of it by trading as many town shares as you can afford.  Some of the town shares trade super fast, and participating in those trades members, make fast and easy cash in the process.  Town shares and country bonds trading is like a real trading, the price rise or drops with every transaction, so if you keep an eye on them, and you spot brand new shares - jump on them fast,  they will give you sure profits.

Best of luck and please keep us posted with your progress!
 

You asked me to post to this thread, so here I am.

I am annoyed that you have lied, passed off another image from another's blog as your own in an attempt to get referrals for this ponzi.

You claim the image is yours, then it is your sponsors and that you have permission to pass it off as your own.

You state that you can earn serious money in game from mining, when the blog even states that he makes 0.7 virtual gold per day from mining and 8.4 per day from referrals.  therefore the only way to make money is to recruit a lot of referrals (ie hundreds) below you and live off them!  If that's not a ponzi then what is!

I am not sorry I didn't join from you, you are clearly a dishonest individual who will make any claims to get people to sign up under you, in order to try and make a quick buck and I have no time for dishonest people!

Nope, I told you that you are a real monkey and I clearly asked to not pollute this thread and come here only with sincere questions about the game.  Get lost please, enough is enough!

I built my first mine on lvl 1  :D
Energy is 10-20 now, i'm trying to save it..

so how much you make in one month, if you do everything correct?

After 1 month you can probably make 1-10 euros I'm guessing. But then it gets more automated, and you can get major profit.

where to get unskilled worker?

my gold mine is currently being built, i'm so excited :)

It won't let me create an account. I've tried in both Safari and Firefox.

I thought you needed 50% happiness for it? I'm level 3 and I'm only at 21% happiness...

how to get more unskilled worker and what is the use of townhall

Click on the town hall. -.-

townhall= cityhall?

Yep.

Just found out you can build the gold mine without 50% happiness and I'm so annoyed with myself. >_<

They don't allow special characters in the password field. Just letters and numbers.

i smell when you reach a certain numbers of gold mines, you will get taxes, attacked or other shit lmao

We already pay a 20% tax on everything we earn.  :-\

Why so high the tax ?

10% for the state budget - bonuses, etc. 10% for your referrer, and if you don't have a referrer, that 10% is just sent to the admin. :-\

how, it say level 3 required

From what I've learned, it is indeed lvl 3, but for the first month or so they suspended it to jump start the economy. It has recently (the 22nd I think) been re-enabled.

Sorry guys, took a break from this forum for few days...

LaudaM


Now to build a gold mine , you need to be at at least at level 3.  It is better to wait, for GoldMines are most expensive, and it is better to work first on building up our other resources, yo know raw products...

as to energy, we all had challenge with it at the begging, on higher levels energy is not an issue any more.


Amph


This is taken from the game Skype room:

gold has difirent price for us than you
[8:17:27 PM] yyy: we buy 3,5 and sell 4,75
[8:17:33 PM] xxx: We both produce around 25 gold plus around 20k resorces
[8:17:37 PM] ccc: yes I know
[8:17:58 PM] ccc 25 gold per month?
[8:18:07 PM] yyy: eek
[8:18:11 PM] xxx: Per day
[8:18:18 PM]ccc: woot :)
[8:18:23 PM] ccc: great job man
[8:18:39 PM] xxx has 30+ mines i have 25
[8:19:03 PM] (SliPeR): lol
[8:19:09 PM] (SliPeR): 25 gold per day
[8:19:09 PM] (SliPeR): geez
[8:19:16 PM] xxx32 to be exact
[8:19:16 PM]do you guys have a work? I mean, you could live from this
[8:20:10 PM] xxx: I am earning more here than at my job
[8:20:23 PM] xxx: :)

And my already super famous sponsor (he was not in the convo above) now earns around 40-50 euro per day paid directly to his PayPal, but... he is special.  And yes, he has many referrals and he invested some cash in the game at the start too, but please think, if someone can make income without zero investment, how much faster he can make if he puts something in...

The guys from the convo, with that crazy number of gold mines, for them that game is like a science, they are estimating everything, constantly checking the prices of raws and gold, waiting for the most profitable time to mine, etc, etc...  They are pros, but from what I saw, it is normal for the average member to be on plus, but yep, without any investment at the beginning, one needs to be patient and consistent.


DiamondCardz


This is what my super busy friend said after I asked him to tell me the % of him staying in this game:

[12:59:58 PM] xxx: 100%
[1:00:31 PM] * Merry Makowski: lucky me thx
[1:00:32 PM] xxx: It's just 5 mins to play.
[1:00:48 PM] xxx: The rest is wait for it's production.

And this guy is a serious web developer with many clients and he plays the game not for fun but for profits...


Amph


You get one in the Market, in Workers tab, but watch out, you would not be able to buy any if your houses are full.  In the market, you pay with gold for a worker, normally, you recruit new citizens in the city hall, same, you need to have available houses, meaning your population needs to be bellow 100%.


Xanis


WOW, congrats, you are really pushing... 
If we know your game username, we would like to buy your townshares when you get at level 5, with your stats, they will surely grow in value fast...

jdebunt


Good for you and best of luck!!!


ahbartsch

Maybe something was going on then, you know, the site was not loading as normally or else, there must be a reason, for the registration is always fast and simple
If you are retrying, just in case use another username and email


DiamondCardz

I thought you needed 50% happiness for it? I'm level 3 and I'm only at 21% happiness...

Yep, I thought that too at the very beginning, the FAQ are not updated...
They talk about it in the forum, so yep, it is useful to register at the forum and at least read all the announcements there.

21% happiness at level 3 is something to be very proud off, nicely done!  As to mines, now we can build at level 3 with no other requirements.  Happiness is always very important though, you can't start selling your product without it.

And do not be annoyed for not building your mine earlier, like I said before, it will be easier for you now.

Amph, I smell that too, but there are ways to defend ourselves

By FAQ we can't mine gold until we are at 50% happiness, but yes, this is not required now, likely it will be in the future:

"Gold Extraction
We mentioned several times that the main attraction in the game is gold. Gold can be obtained in a myriad of ways, but the main one is mining. To extract gold you need gold mines. Only towns with a happiness degree exceeding 50% can extract gold. Additionally, the extraction of gold represents the highest consumer of raw materials. There is only 100.000 gold in the game, which will gradually become available for extraction. Details on how to extract gold, how much it is worth and the exact mechanism by means of which the game distributes a relatively stable amount to the miners are aspects discussed about in the Gold Extraction chapter."

Click on the Bible guys, there's everything.

Yes, we pay 10% tax to our ref and from the level 5,  we pay10% of our city revenues into the shareholders's fund. But, the townshares are one of the quickest ways to earn extra gold ...

Guys look at these pictures and dream BIG:

http://prntscr.com/1zwzxg

http://prntscr.com/20whpm

here he is fixing his roads, can you imagine to have so much raws and workers to do that all at once...

This is a current town of one of the members, not the best one, just a smart guy from Croatia...
Currently that guy is at level 39.

talking about defending ourself, how defense work, or artillery factory? i've built one just for fun, but it doesn't work, it ask me for an employer, but i can't press on it to add that worker...

War and defense are still in development, not everything is active yet,  please keep your eye on the announcements in the forum about it. 

Would you please add an option to skip the tutorial?  I keep getting hung up in it.

Site looks really promising.  Good Luck!

globalvillage doesn't own GoldenTowns. ._.

Thx DC, off course I do not, but I have an access to the admin and I will pass on them this message.

If you are getting stacked with the tutorial, try to restart it in the fresh browser, of course until/if it's made optional.

Thanks globalvillage!  I knew you said you were in contact with the owner and figured you might be in a position to alert them.

I can restart it but it always gets gummed up with the wrong screen showing and the arrow pointing to somewhere I can't click.  I can't close the incorrect menu box.  Usually it's around the "build a market" part of the tutorial.

I've tried restarting and running in a different browser, I even considered making a different account.  I'll keep mucking with things on this end.  Anyway, I think it looks like fun and wish you the best.

EDIT: GOT IT, it works now, thank you!

EDIT: GOT IT, it works now, thank you!

Awww, good that you succeeded to finish the tutorial.  The message is already given, but there are many people who would never start playing if it were not for that guide,  I know I would not... 

I am quite good chess player though, so that helped me to plan few/several moves ahead.

At the beginning, to avoid waste of energy and resources, do not build any new structures, try to upgrade what is already there and add on to the existing ones as necessary to proceed to the next level.  The order of influence clearly shows what and where to build next. 

how to raise ur happiness level?

Read the FAQ, ughhhhhhh.

Upgrade houses.

It's something like

(number_of_house_levels/houses) * 10 = happiness

so it's better to upgrade than building more houses

Lurk moar. This account has been posting scammy marketing nonsense (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=154089.msg1689671#msg1689671) aimed at people who don't bother to read for quite a while.

Happiness is directly connected to the level of your houses.  You upgrade your houses - you raise your happiness level.

In addition, you can't hire more workers if your population is 100% and without workers you can't do anything...  so yep, houses are mighty important.  Still at the very beginning, is better to upgrade some of your production buildings to a higher level before you upgrade your houses.

Different members have different strategies, but some of the basics from FAQ work for all.

Amph, if possible, try to upgrade the ones you have before building new ones.  Like DC mentioned, the happiness level is calculated by this formula:

G=(Nc/No)*10
 
Where G is the degree of happiness,
Nc is the sum of the levels scored by the houses,
and No is the number of houses.

So if a town has three level 1 houses, two level 3 houses and one level 9 house, it will be: (3x1+2x3+1x9)/6 =30% happiness

(in FAQ they have this example: (1+1+1+3+3+9)/6 =30%  but I think mine is clearer :-)


From this formula, you can clearly see that you will get a much higher level of happiness with upgrading then building.


Letter on in the game it pays to add new dwellings, for new (and upgraded of course) houses, mean more workers and higher production.   

My sponsor has achieved something completely incredible, after only 28 days in the game, (he never played Anno or anything alike)  he already has a town with the highest population!  To see this, please click on Financial news, Financial market tab (it is the one just below the affiliate hand) and then click on Town Shares and at the side of the search box, from the drop down menu, choose Population, you will see his name right at the very top, click on it and see his statistics :-)   

Sure, his happiness is suffering cause of it, but eventually he will upgrade to the highest level all of his houses, and then he will be the very top player in the game.  Because he has so many workers, he is already selling more raw products and more gold then members with higher happiness level.  So you see, like I mentioned previously, there are various strategies for making the most income in this game, I hope you find yours...

At least they're consistent :/

@Jabba...., so now you came here to stick in your paid signature...  oh boy

I think he was actually trying to defend you.

Ugh, you do seem like your posts are becoming lower quality each day. inb4yourrage.

Thanks :) Btw may I have the link to the FAQ please?

@leepsteer00, in GoldenTown all the internal links do not open outside of our membership area.  

When you are in Press site, just go to the menu on the left side and click on the Bible, Bible is the FAQ and support

Yes, when I saw MPOE-PR here, I was so stressed that I could misunderstood Jabbatheslutt comment, sorry

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=323840.msg3476452#msg3476452

We have long history together... 

So, you mean your posts there are higher quality: https://discussbitcoin.org/showthread.php?tid=127

ha ha ha...


Guys, if you contact me on PM with your username, I will send you 2 files, one with a town map and another with some basic tips

A little more about the game and value of our refs there.


As you know, we get paid 10% from everything our refs produce from level 3 up
and as soon as our refs reach level 3, we can sell them for virtual gold in the affiliate market
and that gold we can exchange instantly for Euro or Bitcoins :-)

Do not sell good refs though, you will make from them much more later. 
My sponsor, kovandop, was sold when he was only at level 5 for...  guess how much?
He was sold him for 860 EURO!!! Now he is for sale for 2000 gold!
1 virtual gold is 4.75 euro when you are buying and 3.5 when you are selling, so yep, plenty of money.

Please go to the affiliate market (you find it when you click on the hand and then on Market)

and look at some prices there...  There really is a lot of money in this game...

how much cost producing gold from a level 2 gold mine?

i ask this, cuz my cost doubled after i fired one worker from the mine, to hire a new one, if that the case, then this whole thing is just a ponzy scam that force you to invest

Okay, thanks !! =D

Why would you fire a goldmine worker?

All costs go up the higher level the workplace. You get more goods for your time/energy however.

Why does everyone insist on calling this a scam? No one is forcing you to buy anything. On the contrary you can actually MAKE money - with no investment but time. Let's go over this again - you can (will) earn money every single day by clicking a few buttons. You must build up your city a bit first to get to that point.

Please, people, open your eyes and see the opportunity rather than the doubt.

Yep, I don't fill DB with marketing shit constantly.

@Amph, there is a whole science ( well maybe not a science but a simple math) behind those gold prices.
Some members watch the Gold tab Activity site like hawks, allways ready to mine at the most profitable time.  


Look, the whole game market is based on real demand.  There are no fixed prices for anything, all the prices, including the price of mining gold, are based on number of sales in the last 24 hours. If there are more sales, the price increases, if less, the price gets cheaper to stimulate more sales...

When you click on the Gold tab, you will see the current price for gold, meaning how many resources it will take to mine one piece of gold.  Sometimes the price there is 1600, sometimes is only 100.  It all depends on how much gold was recently mined.  


The gold in the game, just like our bitcoin, it's a limited resource.  There  could never be more than 100,000 gold in circulation.  The game fund is constantly adjusting and controlling the amount of gold available to members.  So every hour the fund provides max 3 gold.  If the members mine more, the price to mine raises, if they mine less, the price declines.

"In the last 24 hours, miners extracted 75.22 gold. The last deposit was found 42 minutes ago"

In the last 24 hours members mined 75.22 gold, meaning they mined more then the set standard, the standard is no more than 3 gold per hour,
meaning (3x24) they mined over the limit and now, in the next hour, when the price will be adjusted, we can be sure the price will go up.

There is also one more indication, how long ego was found the last gold deposit...  and same, if it was longer then 3 hours, the price will go down, less - the price will go up.


These gold calculations are not very important at the beginning of the game, but as we progress to raw material and gold sellers, they are becoming more and more crucial... We are not playing any more, we are carefully calculating % of our profits :-)


Getting back to your issue with firing the worker.  Yep, at times, when we are low with our work force, we are pressed to do that, we fire here and hire there...  this is not a big deal, it costs us only 1 energy for each.  We can always hire our workers back.

One thing is sure, the more you play, the more variables you will find in this game and the more you will enjoy it.

akeetlebeetle, I smile big time reading your reply. I think the same, no one is pressing anyone to invest anything there and... so many members are investing.  For, if we surely know, that we earn there without investment, then we start to calculate how much faster we would earn if we invested a little....

Please do not misunderstand me, this is not an invitation to invest, different members have different situations and different motivation, but all can try to play completely free.   When I was starting, I told my sponsor that I will give this game my very best for 2 weeks and then I would decide if I want to bother with it... The rest you know, I more then like it there and...  to tell you the truth, I am investing now in game shares and town shares, but please notice, this is strictly optional.

cuz he was dying

Like akeetlebeetle told us, "All costs go up the higher level the workplace. You get more goods for your time/energy however."

Every level is more efficient, it gives us more gold per hour of production, and the cost of producing it is directly influenced by the level of our mine,
BUT it is also directly influenced by the current cost of mining, by the current cost of resources to mine 1 gold.

Then that was super smart, bravo, you read your tutorial  :)


When worker lifetime is less then it would take for him to finish his production shift, our best move is to fire him.  It's cruel, but... economical  ;)

actually i haven't read that part in the tutorial, was just common sense, to fire someone if he is dying, as i would do in real life lol

ha ha, do not believe you about that real life part :-) 

Yep, you will build a nice city with your common sense... do not get discouraged, give yourself at least 2 weeks and then judge this game.

If I have gold and get attacked, do I loose some part of it ?
Or just 10% of my production (gold too) goes to the attacker as long as he occupy me?

Just the 10% of your production (until you kick the dude out).

Town shares seem strange. It seems like you're forced to give away 10% of your profits again for no reason at all.

It's another way to share in the profits. Buy up shares from profitable town and collect when they make 100 (or 1 gold).

Town shares are super if... you know what you are doing.

For members who do not have any reffs (my hubby for example) town shares are the main way to get free, extra resources.  They are choosing their shares carefully and treat them as a solid long term investment.
 
Other members, trade town shares strictly for a fast  profits.  They try to be one of the first to purchase new level 5 towns shares, then they wait till someone else buys more shares and sell their own right away.  Then they do same thing over and over, until they are ready to invest in some shares of well established, strong cities, which with their output will pay for themselves without selling.

DC, yep, you are paying another 10% to your town fund, but then that fund is maintaining itself and paying out other members who purchased your shares. Another 10% in taxes... well you have to remember that this game is not only a town construction, but political simulator too  ;)

Yep, another 10%, but it is not as hard (at least not yet) to defend the attacker.

Is the site down or just me?

It happens for everyone, but only momentarily.  Usually when I click on reload, the site is back.

The game is fun, I've been playing it for a while.

It is fun. It looks simple, but there is a very deep, rich strategy that fits together like an interlocking puzzle. It's rough around the edges, but that's to be expected as it's still in beta.

That isn't needed. Upgrade this and that, you will eventually get it right.

yeah it's not complicated at all, it is more complicated to upgrade mex in supreme commander(if you played it you know what i mean) lmao

I didn't say it was complicated, I said there was strategy involved. For example, if you want to upgrade a house, you need a police station. But the police station doesn't reach very far on 1st level. So, to upgrade the station, you need a firehouse. Now you need to train a fireman at the school. But for that you need 50 Meat and 15 (I think) vegetables. You need to have a free (not an original) worker to train. Then, when you finally train your fireman, you need to have 2 workers to upgrade your PD. 1 to work there (another 50meat/15veg) and one to start the upgrade. Once all that's done then you can get to work on upgrading the house (with the proper road of course).

Doesn't sound "easy" to me. It does sound (and is) rather fun, however.

There may be some layouts that are better than others, but you will still need multiple markets, firehouses, PDs etc. All this has to be balanced against your energy and resource needs. That's not even getting into the mining aspect of it.

it's a market not the police station, that is used to upgrade the house, but yeah i got it, it's just all connected that's it

I think you meant that the police station upgrades the market, not the houses. You're right, it does upgrade the market, but you also need it for other things such as the houses and fire stations and schools. To upgrade the police station (among other things), you need a fire station. But for your fire station to reach, you might have to build a church (the Church of the GoldenCoin? lol) and so on.

Here is the list of what you need to upgrade the houses (not including the roads):

 Houses
Level 1 - None
Level 2 - Market
Level 3 - Police Station
Level 4 - Firehall
Level 5 - Hospital
Level 6 - Restaurant
Level 7 - Church
Level 8 - Bank
Level 9 - Casino
Level 10 - Brothel


Haha, I was just reading where the hookers are taught in the schools. I want to find that school and enroll  ;D

I used to play Forge of Empires and thought how cool it would be if the online gold was real and you could trade for bitcoin. Hopefully, this is just the beginning of games like this.

Ha Ha, yep, they are, this is from FAQ:

"In real life, the last profession (hooker) does not require a qualification, but the developers’ team see that as a mistake, and wished to correct at least in a virtual environment the prostitutes’ unskilled worker image."  


And as to the scale of difficulty, guys, please wait, I guarantee you that sooner or later you will get to that point in your production, where you would feel like in a stale mate situation  ;)  Keep cool, there always is a solution, but sometimes we need to reach it, through going all around... and... that could be painful sometime.

@cryptoanarchist, in GT we not only can exchange our gold for bitcoins but also the game main principle works a little like bitcoin itself:
 "there is a limited amount of virtual gold (100.000 GoldenTowns Coins or GTC) which is distributed gradually, at a constant pace, to the players".

yeah my bad, i mean market needed to upgrade house, and police station for the market

hey globalvillage, someone already made an attack, so war is ready? but only with barracks units i suppose, because my artillery factory do not work

No, you're right. You need a market to upgrade houses to level 2. But for level 3, you will need a PD (plus level 3 roads).

IMO, this game is genius.

WOW, yes, the war is already everywhere in GoldenTowns!  We have plenty of local attacks and 5 country wars in which everyone can participate.  There were big discussions today in the chat rooms, the usual pre-war noise...

http://www.goldentowns.com/pages/war/GIF/war_pending_on.png http://www.goldentowns.com/pages/war/GIF/special_troops_on.png http://www.goldentowns.com/pages/inventory/GIF/militari/infanterie_on.png

People are getting ready for something bigger, and everyone is agreeing that these wars are long awaited and that they will raise the value of all products and of course the value of our gold.    With the golden town coins "GTC" and the internal wallet with payment system integration:



http://forum.goldentowns.com/download/file.php?id=73

there are absolutely wild speculations about the future value of GTC...


Please remember, there are only 100,000 gold in circulation, 100% backed up by real gold...


This is what my sponsor said when I asked him about GoldenTown game shares:


He is Czech, so his Eng is not perfect, but he's game knowledge and skills surely is>

a turret is enough to defend me?

i think Guizzo is a cheater, he have 861+ population, that's impossible

I've came from having a lack of energy to lacking resources now.

Amph, check kovandap population.... surely is possible, but they help themselves with extra resources, energy, bought workers and at times with instant ending of the processes.

Later on, when we have more workers, instant ending is possible without paying for it, just by hiring more workers.

Linda, upgrade your production buildings, and upgrade to the highest level starting with wood and through stone and meat, with the current market prices, upgrade your veggies last, you can always exchange other resources to veggies with profit.

Amph, you're likely already know that everything depends on the force of the attack...  but we know about it in advance, so it's easy to defend.

what happens if i let one building degrade, without renew it? can i demolish it then?

My favourite Bitcoin game! It's very difficult to keep energy though.

I've found a bug it seems. I can't hire anyone for my gold mine. The loading bar loads right to the end and stays that way. I have enough energy and meet all the requirements.

I've been having bugs with a worker that went missing for a few hours and now the one I just hired at city hall didn't show up. I posted it in their forum and it looks like a lot of other people have as well. No answers yet though.

Hopefully, there will be a fix. I'll contact support now. Because this is preventing me from generating any gold.

Update: It's magically working again now. After I had to leave it a long time.

I really like this game.

There's a few issues which I have found along my travels. The market place says:

Very small issue there.

Just pointing out some issues which I will be trying to update. I've had other problems which I've previously stated. Although, it's small this game has been running for a very long time and should of been corrected.

Okay keep up the good work.

Nope, not long at all, only 3 months in beta now, I think this is very short time for this kind of a game...

I think we should learn to be more patient with the occasional bugs, always let the support know about them and give them fair chance to fix it. 
Also, at times, like recently with the warehouse capacity feature, we think is a bug and it's not any bug but the newly activated feature.

Very often when we can't perform the regular operation, cleaning the cookies and starting on a fresh browser normalize everything.

It's a good thing to make a habit to pay attention to the red alerts in our accounts.  I had not stoped to read them, and before I realized what was going on, I lost quite a lot of my raws...  Stupidity sometimes hurts...

Amph. do not make the same mistake I did, do not allow your misplaced buildings to collapse,  (you will have to clear the land same like a bush land and this is costly and time consuming)  it is a lot of cheaper and faster to demolish the buildings.  Please note that the buildings which you need to demolish must be active, they need the required influence and workers.  Also, please know that the workers from demolished building will get back to your inventory, from collapsed buildings, they will not.

Indeed. Just halfway level 2 and I have less than 40 energy now :(

What is the best way to contact support? I have tried the forum and the contact us methods, but I am yet to get any response.

Edit: They got back to me by the forum and said that is the best way.

Some things in the game are surely taking its time.

@TheQuin, both of these ways are working, through the contact form and through posting in the forum.

Even if the moderator would not answer,  he always immediately reports all bugs to the administration and I know that for sure :-)

how much money people are investing in this game considering it's still in beta and they have so high levels already?

@Vani, it will get better and better with the energy.  

But an extra shot of energy, would carry you through these low levels much faster.

@tutkarz, it's hard to answer that question, but from the Skype chat I know that some of them invested more than 2K Euro.

Thanks globalvillage, I got an answer on the forum.

Energy isn't needed in higher levels though.

Well, energy is always needed, but we spent it much less.  We collect our production from buildings on the 5th level every 48 hours...

I have a good news, I heard that the value of our gold and raw products will be very soon adjusted to make it more worthwhile to mine gold.  As it is at the moment, the price to mine 0. 01 gold does not always warrant the price of spent for it raws .  

Yeah, we are mining way too many decimals on gold.

That is good to know. Then I will work harder to level up ;)

Thanks for all the information you give in this thread, it is really helpful and it is on my watchlist!

How much golds have you collected so far ?

Storage is an issue for me now. They should have specified the capacity of each level.

@Vani, thank you for reading   :)


@LaudaM, yes, the capacity of our warehouses were always stated in FAQ.

This is from FAQ, Building Types section:

Warehouses store raw materials.
A level 1 warehouse can store up to 600 raw material units.
Its capacity increases with 600 units / level, up to 3000 units at level 5.
The town’s storage capacity is the aggregated capacity of the warehouses.
If you have2 level 5 warehouses and a level 3 one, the storage capacity shall be 7800 raw material units.
Material warehouses use up to 5 employees.
If all the warehouses are full, you will no longer be able to store raw materials.

And if we are not able to store our materials, we simply loose them, which is painful but fair.
Every game has to be played according to its rules and although GoldenTowns it's a way to earn online money, it's a game too.



@Eternity, if you go to the Gold section, in Activity, you can see how much gold  specific members mined...

Your question is impossible for me to answer, it's a little like asking how much money I have in my wallet, ha ha

Plus, I really do not know my total, I care about how many mines I have and on what level.  I know that top players have already around 30- 35 level 5 mines,
so you can easily calculate how much gold they mine every 24 h and how much in total they have already collected ;-)

I am not even close to them yet, but I know that eventually I will get there.

Also, please notice, that small players mine at any price, big players seldom mine if the cost of gold is over 600 raws.
I know some who stay whole nights glued to their screens, to catch the right moment to produce their gold.

Storehouses are not really needed until later levels when you are upgrading/building new buildings. At the start of the game you should struggle with materials and will not keep more than 300 if you keep upgrading and building more regular.


But, I agree they should specify the capacity when hovering over it. Instead of having to look at the FAQ.

taxes are too high, also players under level 10 can't defend themselves, they should be immune to attack, another thing that force you to invest...
i will let all my town collapse instead lmao, i will not invest a single cent

Are people under level 5 protected from wars?

Nope guys, GoldenTown considers level 3 members as full members, and from level 3, members start paying  taxes and start participating in wars and attacks.   But, those attacks would not be so frequent, for lower level members are not worth the cost of a soldier to occupy their town.  The occupant will pay more for the attack and occupation, then he will collect in taxes from lower level members.  So in reality, he will loose more than the attacked town. 

At this moment, we are not able to withdraw our forces from the occupied towns, but soon this option will be open and you will see many current occupants leaving without a fight.

Please notice the price of a soldier and calculate how many resources it would take to cover that price, many more than an average level 3-5 member produces.


As to what I wrote yesterday, the price of game gold has been already revised.  Now we can buy 1 game gold for 5.2 euro and sell it for 4.00 euro.  So according to prediction, the game gold is getting more and more valuable.


@ Amph, I am sorry but I have to strongly disagree, there is no one forcing anyone to invest, it is entirely up to you, you can keep on paying 10% taxes until you are ready to liberate yourself.  If you keep on playing and producing, eventually (even if the occupying troops would not get withdrawn or die (soldiers like workers have limited lifespan)) you will be able to purchase your soldiers from your produced gold or by training your own soldiers in the barracks.    Your town without investing would not collapse, but... you must keep on playing.

I'm only level 3 at the moment. It's a sad thing that I didn't know about taxes etc. Otherwise I could of become better prepared before levelling up so quick.

i'm paying 40% taxes now
at first they were only 20, now my country got occupied, and they rised to 40%, and i can't do nothing, cuz making troops will cost me much more than liberate myself, how stupid

i'm lucky that guizzo(the one with 900 population) belongs to the same country, tnx to him, hopefully we will make italy free again

how do they check when to mine?

i noticed , usually very soon in the morning   GMT time

There are some stupid aspects, I know.

This could of been a great game. But, they have too many aspects of the game which stop you from enjoying it. Such, as you come back every X amount of hours. That's not enjoyable. It's more like a routine.

Think of it as an investment that you check a couple times a day.  8)

but what I have to check to know when to mine. I calculated, that if I use my lvl 1 mine, I have to pay 0.0024 (when i calculate to buy all resources on the market) gold to produce 0.0008 gold which is not worth it if I would like to produce it this way. But what are their calculations? They prefer to sell raw materials for gold instead of use it at mine or what?

Considering there is a limit to how much gold there can be and how much time I have on my hands. There isn't much money to be made on my behalf. Especially, if you have people that work from home. They can simply take a 5 minute break and do what they got to do in the game. Working a full time job, it's very hard.

Although, it takes a lot of time and effort to reach the ranks to be able to mine for gold. For example, many start mining at level 3 which is a silly idea. Unless, by that time they have all their resource buildings upgraded or they are very good at trading.

ok here the truth

1gr real gold = 703 virtual gold(it is said in the game)
there are 100K virtual gold in this game, then we have about 143gr real gold that are equal to = 4394 euro(1gr = 30.73 euro)
so the game is only backed with 4.4k euro

now i've read, that it is possible to mine only 72 virtual gold per days(3x24 hours)
this mean 1gr= 703 virtual gold = 30.73----->703:30.73=72:x----> x=(30.73x72)/703= 3.14 euro a day x 30= about 100 in one month

this mean that, even if you are the only miner, which isn't true, it's impossible to do more than 100 in one month, and someone already said that they are making 1k in one month.

but then you have that 1 virtual gold is 5 euro, something isn't right here lol

The game is too confusing. Their site has too many mistakes and errors. There's nothing right about this game.

What is your point?

how can they backup all those money?

~4400 euro is a very small amount of money.

It's a good concept. But, like I have stated. It because more of a routine rather than a enjoyable game. This takes simple math and upgrading buildings to proceed. It has no skill and is too easy. Managing the energy bar is easy when you reach level 3.

how then 1 virtual gold, is sold for 5 euro?

That's the price at which certain members are buying.

it is the same price, to which they sell too

I'm hoping to least earn a decent profit off this game. Without investing a penny.

someone will have to pay for this ;)

Yes if you play for 10 years.

I assume you cannot login with your goldentowns account into the forum and need to make a new account there?

Golden Towns are almost 20K members, WOW, this is fast!

And guys, please look at the graphics below and tell us if they remind you...  ;)


Here is the future GTC (Golden Towns Coin)

http://forum.goldentowns.com/download/file.php?id=96


and here more screenshots from the wallet app

 
http://forum.goldentowns.com/download/file.php?id=98
http://forum.goldentowns.com/download/file.php?id=97


Sorry the graphics are so huge, I do not mean to overwhelm you, I just took them straight f from our forum.

I wrote about this before, here:

"@Amph, there is a whole science ( well maybe not a science but a simple math) behind those gold prices.
Some members watch the Gold tab Activity site like hawks, allways ready to mine at the most profitable time.  


Look, the whole game market is based on real demand.  There are no fixed prices for anything, all the prices, including the price of mining gold, are based on number of sales in the last 24 hours. If there are more sales, the price increases, if less, the price gets cheaper to stimulate more sales...

When you click on the Gold tab, you will see the current price for gold, meaning how many resources it will take to mine one piece of gold.  Sometimes the price there is 1600, sometimes is only 100.  It all depends on how much gold was recently mined.  



The gold in the game, just like our bitcoin, it's a limited resource.  There  could never be more than 100,000 gold in circulation.  The game fund is constantly adjusting and controlling the amount of gold available to members.  So every hour the fund provides max 3 gold.  If the members mine more, the price to mine raises, if they mine less, the price declines.

"In the last 24 hours, miners extracted 75.22 gold. The last deposit was found 42 minutes ago"

In the last 24 hours members mined 75.22 gold, meaning they mined more then the set standard, the standard is no more than 3 gold per hour,
meaning (3x24) they mined over the limit and now, in the next hour, when the price will be adjusted, we can be sure the price will go up.

There is also one more indication, how long ego was found the last gold deposit...  and same, if it was longer then 3 hours, the price will go down, less - the price will go up.


These gold calculations are not very important at the beginning of the game, but as we progress to raw material and gold sellers, they are becoming more and more crucial... We are not playing any more, we are carefully calculating % of our profits :-)"




The only routine part in the game is the collection of products, and that in level 5 is every 48h, so not too often. The higher the level of the game - the more fun!   When you have plenty of workers, you can finish your processes almost instantly and truly enjoy building your town.  To make everything fit there, yep, this is very much enjoyable, at least for me and many others.  

You think it is too easy, nope, it is not easy at all, try to get to 100% happiness and then tell us how easy that was...






You can't buy for 5 euro any more  and it will cost more and more...

Your calculation is correct as to the number of virtual coins, BUT have you noticed, right at the top of the site, it is shown the current, updated Gold Reserve.  That 24k gold backup is steadily on the rise, its amount is increasing as the game progresses.  At the moment of this writing (and the amount is changing in  front of our eyes) it is 142.77878 Gr Gold  and 1 gr real 24k gold = 700 game gold!

1 virtual gold price is based NOT on mining but on that reserve and that reserve is based on total profits in the game.  Have you forgotten, they are selling energy packs, selling instant finishing, advertising and of course collecting taxes, and as you well know, those taxes are not small...


I wasn't that someone who said that is already making 1K in a month, but I can easily imagine that, I think that top members are making way more than 1K...  and please kindly remember, they are NOT only earning gold from mining, mining is the main way of earning but NOT the only one.  Members calculate their profits, sometimes  they are not mining, but instead selling raws.  Or they are mining and selling raws!  Observe the market place more, those raws there sell like warm buns.  

Members also make profits from selling game workers, participating in wars and attacks and they make substantial profits from selling their referrals.

This is a live marketplace and a live trading platform, all numbers have to fit there precisely!

The taxation is very bad, 30%. Makes no sense.

@Lauda, it is not 30%, it could be 30% and even 40% if your country is at war, but the normal is 20%, including the town shares tax, which is providing a lot of extra profits for some...

I did not talk about the normal tax, but tax in general, such as the one we pay we pay when we buy and sell goods, for example when we sell a worker, we pay 0.1 tax... when we sell our shares, we pay too... 

The game finances in my opinion are designed very smart, for both, the game fund and for the players.  We  never can have something from nothing, right...



Please look at this profile:

User   Zaqwsx
Signup   26 days ago
Last Online   10 hours ago
Country   Russia
Happiness   97%
Level   34

Signed up 26 days ago and 97% happiness on 34 level...  That Zaqwsx had to pay a lot for his raws, his energy and instant finishes.  But, even so, even with a lot of money, it is a great challenge to get to level 34 in 36 days and have 97% happiness...

He also invested a lot in wars and local attacks:

"he sended to me (kovandap ) almost 120 soldiers in 5 waves, and I defended, so he lost 120 soldiers and me too
waste of money...
and sended troops to nachofenix too............... and he is in many country wars"

We are laughing that he is from Russia mafia, but from his example you can see how seriously some people are playing this game...

the normal taxes, are already too high, imo they should be 10%

i can live with the rest of the taxes being 10, but 20% taxes from the beginning, is very frustrating

also a suggestion for everyone, upgrade only wood/stone/meat in this order, iron/clay and vegetables are not worth it, unless the ratio in the market is 1:1 or slightly above/below
upgrade iron/clay and vegetables only when you reach q5 in wood/stone/meat

so they created alt coin for their games? and probably premined that also? they know how to earn money, have to admit that.

They have made lots of money from this game. The people investing just to be better than everyone else is unbelievable.

what happens if the graveyard is full? i can't produce unskilled work anymore, even if my population isn't full right?

Seeing as OP has chucked more junk on top of this thread to fish for newbs, this warrants quoting.

Well this is rather interesting. I think that the normal tax should be 10%.

Yep, but the graveyard not active yet




The normal tax is 10%, your town share fund is another 10%, but do not consider the town shares as tax liability, consider it as easy, additional way to earn your gold.  Some shares have incredible return...




This is our human nature, isn't?  But I think majority of members do invest to have faster and bigger return.

Okay thank you for clearing that up.

q5 building are not worth it, they are pretty useless

example(without , adding taxes don't change the goal of this you know)
v=vegetables/m=meat

q4 wood factory
32v 32m recieve 220 every 24------> 220 -64(32v+32m)= 156  total profit

q5 wood factory
80v 80m recieve 250 every 24 hours(500 every 48= 250 every 24)------> 250 -80(80/2v+80/2m, every 24 hours)= 170  total profit

the differenvce is only 14, not worth it at all

but you are using less energy, which is important

yeah but the cost to enter in q5 stage is too high, so first produce a high numbers of q4 buildings (like 4xq4 buildings for each materials)

i made a mistake it's not 88 but 80, still the profit is only +14

Both are very valid points, Amph's and Tutkarz's, and in my opinion, it all depends on one's point of view.  Does she/he want to produce as much as possible in the shortest time as possible, or does she/he build in accordance with delayed gratification and want to build a perfect city... 

I never done these calculations, but 6 more is... 6 more; and if I can produce even one more, I'll always go for it, for I spend on upgrading once and then I have that more for ever...
 

ONLY 14  ???  Amph, you should calculate in how many production cycles the 5th L upgrading cost will be returned  ;)

the point is that q4 and q5 tech lets you mine only from the "128 value" gold mine


to the first question:
it's not +6 but +14, cuz i forgot that the cost is 80v/80m not 88, i corrected it in my calculation post

to the second:
too much like 100 days lol

cuz you need all the road to level 5 plus upgrading all the six house to level 3  at least(plus six more unskilled worker) and then finally upgrading all the six building to level 5

so it's like 1400 total resources = 14x100


another negative aspect of upgrading to level 5 too early , is that you must upgrade the warhouse to level 5 aswell, or you can't store all those income, unless you trade them one by one in the market, but this mean that you lose something, and that make it even worse for q5 buildings

level 5 requires more workers which die and have to be retrained if I'm not mistaken. Which also adds to the cost.

That's correct. If you have good happiness it shouldn't be a problem since the higher it is the longer the workers actually survive. Training new people at the school isn't very resource heavy though. Just time consuming.

I think I see your point with the total cost of upgrading, and I still insist that it is worth to upgrade to level 5 as early as we can  ;)

Gash Amph, you've just started there and you are a production pro already, congrats  :)


Please notice though that the road to our initial production buildings it's not long, so you overestimated the costs involved. 

Not in production buildings guys, workers in production buildings do not have to be trained, those are unskilled workers, ready to work same moment we get them from the city hall.  They eventually die, but by that time our houses are upgraded and we can hire new ones ;-)  The original workers we got, those are never die, but lower level production buildings are a big waste of time and energy I think...

yeah i'm good in those things  ;D, cuz i play real time strategy, that teaches you how to "tech" in the most efficient way.
actually i've made some errors in my build, because the game was new for me

the cost  is very high for q5 road
1 q5 road(the conjunction double the price) cost 15m/10i/25s/20c and you need 8 pieces plus one conjunction that cost 30m/20i/50s/40c

total 150m/100i/250s/200c = 150+100+250+200=700 and this with only the road

lower level production buildings are a waste under q4, q4 is already really good, with 24 energy per day you can sustain 2xeach q4 building materials(6 energy for take the profit and 6 for start them again)

Amph, superb calculations  :)


BUT guys, WHOOO HOOO, great news is here for all who are just starting in the game and do not like local attacks, wars and taxes.
This is what I just heard confirmed:

Soon all towns below level 5 will not be able to be attacked, will not pay taxes and will not be able to mine gold

greats news

you can't mine gold anyway under level 5

You can right now at level 3.

it slow you down

better to have q4 production buildings first, and you can't have them at level 3

i've made other calculations, and i discovered this:

with only 1 production building for each materials(so six production building in total) you can't keep producing gold from a "128 value" even with q5 buildings, because you need the money to run again all the six production buildings

very lame

You're right, it does slow you down. But that wasn't what I was addressing.

This game seems to have the funny peculiarity of some players being "official traders" of gold for money which is a very exclusive position. They seem to be the same guys who are "conquering" the world and plundering other's gold (like Sirdiman who seems to be in all these invasions) to resell later to the same people with their privileged position?

The game could have inbuilt escrow easily for buying and selling of ingame gold without the need to assign a few guys to it. I don't understand the mechanics with their trade... doesn't feel very honest. Am I seeing something wrong?

These are long-term trusted individuals who are required to have 1k of gold/currency on hand to be able to facilitate these transactions.

However, they have announced a wallet service coming in Feb which will facilitate all this stuff without a middleman.

Link to forum post: http://forum.goldentowns.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=509&sid=f2396ec905c23a24f528f22c18f84de2.

@Amph, it's not very lame, it's normal, isn't it?  There would not be any need to allow mining from level 5th, if a new player could support his mine with the 6 initial production buildings.  He needs to progress and build his town to start digging for his gold.


@FeedbackLoop, here are more pics from the coming in February GT wallet and GT Coin:

http://forum.goldentowns.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=772

So from February, no more official gold resellers such as Killam or Sirdiman.  On the other hand, those guys are great, they do not take advantage of the system, they work very hard with the system...

To access these links you need to be log into GT forum, but  you can view the wallet and coin pictures  in this entry here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=316483.msg3599173#msg3599173

i forgot what it  is needed to upgrade the houses to level 5, can you tell me?

i know until level 3 you need the market(level 2) andthe police station(level 3), but then for 4 and 5?

Hospital.

The full list is in the faq btw.

apparently you can't withdraw in bitcoin?

You can. There are three of them that do bitcoin. Killam is the one I use.

There is a min amount that you have to have to withdraw (1.25 gold)

To sell gold for bitcoin:

1 - Click the gold category above your town.
2 - Click Trade
3 - Select Sell Gold For Cash
4 - Choose Bitcoin in the drop-down menu
5 - Find the seller you want and click details
6 - Type in the # of euros you want to sell (right now it's 4 eur/gold)
7 - Hit sell
8 - The seller's email will come up and you arrange your transaction that way.
9 - When all is done, hit confirm payment.

These guys usually respond quickly and the whole process can be finished in 10-15 min.

nice, i'll try when i'll reach that amount

Something I read on their forum, if you buy gold with Paypal there is a 45 day waiting time before you can cash out with bitcoin, to safegaurd the seller against chargebacks.

That makes sense. Paypal needs to stop issuing chargebacks to BTC traders. They're only hastening their own demise.

new players are doomed, mine gold cost keeps rising, now is 128 just for level 2 lol, aka you need 2xq4/q5 for every raw materials just to mine 0.0320...

It changes every hour. Keep an eye on it and snatch it when it's low.

the point is that the more the players who mines gold, the more the value will raise permanently, when thee game started that value was probably 2-4 for level 1 and 6-8 for level 2 and so on...

Well the increase is too huge. Less and less people will mine.

it is possible to reach q4 buildings under level 4 rank

http://i42.tinypic.com/29bldhf.jpg

Akeetlebeetle answered that beautifully.

kwsnni and ottoclix have in details their wallet addresses:

wsnii: 1H6a7PXYtZq22ge8VMyBX18G2fmWJf78et,
ottoclix: 1H86cqqPhnUh1G1wc44Yv1KDkHKdaenNWo

you can check their bitcoin transactions.

Bitcoins for Ottoclix are new, but he did not want to stay behind, so he added BTC payment option too.
Good for us, our coins are getting more and more popular :-)

@ Amph, why your police is so far from the fire hall?  How are you going to upgrade these 2 buildings, they need each other influence in the level 2 ...?  

Is it possible that you concentrate too much on your production output and too little on your town?

I am sorry but I think that for level 3, more of you houses could be upgraded by now, but... with the current placement, it will be hard to do it...  If I am you, I build one more police or one more fire station, keep it on the lowest level possible to make the necessary upgrades and than demolish.


BTW, I am not trying to be smart, just helpful...

Lauda, this is not true, look at the stats, click on Activity tab in Gold Section.  If more members mine, the price of mining is growing, if less members mine, the price is getting lower.  The price is checked and adjusted every hour in exact relation to the amount of mined gold, so your predictions are not possible.

When the game started, 1 virtual gold was worth less than 2 euro, now is worth 6.5 and it will be more and more.
Gosh, such fun to finally be in anti inflationary environment, even a virtual one LOL

I noticed that they seem to update at different times. Is there supposed to be a set time they update everything?

Nope, not what I know off.  I think they calculate every hour and change the cost accordingly. Lauda, at times, when the bigger players wait for the right time and mine many of their mines at once, the low price stays for very short time.  New gold deposit is found and price is raising up in a matter of moments...

that's the plan :D
the police station is needed to upgrade the market, the firehall is near the warehouse, so i can upgrade the warhouse, at level 4 you need 2x600 stock, i will make a new firehall near the police, they cost very little resources.
i've still 4 unskilled worker that can produce building, they are enoughs, resources are more important

I'm wondering if anyone can help me....

I have many, many referrals... 24 that I could sell, the two highest being at level 9.

I have neglected my town, by not playing it's still on level one, and a couple buildings need to be demolished.

My production is being wasted because it says my warehouse is full, but my meat is at zero, my stone is one.

I'm on level 2, but it won't let me do much of anything....  :(

Any way to save my town? I would tip in bitcoin if someone can help me make this profitable...  :)

Edit:

I think I might be figuring it out... I can build new buildings in the blank areas.

yes, likely some of your workers died and your population is above 100%

you can't upgrade your houses, for they do not have the needed influence, am I right?

If yes, than your only choice is to build new houses, even if you will need to demolish them later on.

Houses will give you the needed accommodation for new workers, and please try to hire them at the city hall every 3 h if you can.


Then, when you have workers, build your police and fire station close to your market, and build one more warehouse or upgrade your existing one and slowly work yourself up with the remaining roads and production buildings and... Best Of Luck

Similar thing happened to me once. Had to build additional houses, after which I had upgraded the ones that you get at the beginning and demolished the new ones.

How much money are the big players earning with this game?

ho ho and maybe more...  Killam is admitting to making more than 3 k euro per month

sometimes my production buildings stop working and they appears in "zZz mode", and i'm 100% sure that i have set them to work

Once I have collected my production and got nothing for it..

If your storage is full and you try to collect something (that would put you over), you lose everything. The game doesn't make the distinction of - you have space for 99 of your 100, so we'll fit that and you'll lose only 1. With Goldentowns (unfortunately), you will lose it all if you can't store it all.

Assuming that you're not mistaken, perhaps it's a bug. Or, your worker could've died during production.

they can't die in the original buildings

Correct. Workers don't die in those.

how much golds, one gold mine, generates at level 3-4 and 5, per day?

i know that at level two is 0.0400(without taxes), if we doubles this for each level we get 0.3200, but i read somewhere that level 5 generates 0.5 per day....

This is a huge misunderstanding.  Only the workers who were at the building originally, never die.
You know, those who were there at level one.  But as we upgrade our production buildings, we must hire there more workers, and these workers die.  Before you start a new production, please look at all your hired workers lifespan.  Amph, if I remember correctly, it was you who fired the worker for he would die before the end of the production...  Yep, but you talked there about the goldmine, but all production buildings are the same, the difference is only with workers that were initially in the production buildings.

Yes, you read that correctly, level 5 goldmine max production is 0.5 gold (without taxes ;-) 

mmh, but he does not say how much is their lifespan, when i click on those buildings, how i can know how many days they can live?


so every level don't give you always, only x2?
can you tell me how much level 3 and 4 give you? tnx

double

Amph, just go with your mouse on their faces and there you'll see how long they live, but you have to do that before you start the production.

As to gold, here:
0.01 ; 0.02 ; 0.03; 0.04 ; 0.05
0.1 ; 0.2 ; 0.3 ; 0.4 ; 0.5 

and you have 2 different ones in each new level

Does anyone know how quickly building degrade,how many percent in how many days?

i tried that, but the phrase is cut away

5% per day, therefore 20 days

The phrase is cut away on the permanent workers.

this mean that they can't be fired anyway, so who cares how many days they will live

How many resources are needed for this?

i smell x10

if the first level is 0.01 and cost 16, the 0.1 level will be 160, and this mean that you need 2x6 tech 5 production buildings just to extract 0.1 that with taxes is a mere 0.08

1x6 t5 production buildings can sustain only 96 value

Sorry Amph, your calculations are outside my expertise....  I know that I have 4 mines now (3 on the highest 5th level and one on the level 2) and that I easily support them with my town.  In fact from recently I have enough production to sell my extra raws in the market.  I can tell you that this is exactly where the real fun begins, the game gold now when we sell it, is 1 for 5 euro. 

I know well how to calculate my raws and how to exchange them first in the local market, and I know when I am better to mine than to sell my raws...

I also know that without investing, it takes a lot of time and patience to build our towns, but so many people spend so much time online without having the smallest chance to earn something back and in GoldenTowns we do have such chance.   In my opinion, it is only fair that those players who put something in, take something back faster.

how can you support 3 mines at tech 5? how much raw materials they require at level 5, to extract 0.5 gold?

for this you should have plenty of production buildings like 8x6(8 x each production buildings)

for example:

to extract 0.04 gold you need 64 for each resources(v/m/w/i/s/c)
this mean that you need at least 1 for each production building and they must be all, at tech 3
1 t3 building give you 72 raw material with tax, and gold cost 64 each and this just to extract a mere 0.04(with tax 0.0320)...

500 production and 150 deducted because of tax.
This is insane.

this why q4 are better lol

500 production with 30% = 350 profit

220 production with 30% = 154 x2(cuz tech 4 are each day) = 308 and require 1/2.5 materials to return in production(32 vs 80)

Amph, you would not believe it, but I do not know how many production buildings I have in my town in total.  When adding them, I am only careful to add each type of material in order, so I have nice balance.  I just tried to count them, but I gave up.

But you are right, such things are good to know, and cause I am not calculating everything, occasionally I am getting into troubles.  Yesterday too many of my workers died all at once and now I have to deal with it...  Oh boy...  Yep, it is a constant challenge and this is why it's fun.

I just don't understand why they don't adjust this, sigh.

It uses 2x as much energy to run 24hr cycles, so the game offers you the choice, more raw materials or more energy.

Very bad choice and mechanic.

lmao there is an hacker or other shit, that just attacked all the country with 0 troops

How could I delete my account?
Provide assistance if you know how.

There is no manual delete function, but accounts are automatically deleted when they have been inactive for 25 days.

Thank you, I'm done with the game.

No, your calculations are wrong. Not 32 vs 80 but 32x2= 64 vs 80.

I've created spreadsheet to calculate hour rate of profit in some avarage resources (as you cannot compare meat and vegetables). I entered there all the figures and market prices to substruct original resoursec with correct rate. It showed me for example that level 5 iron is worse than level 2 vegetables (and even non-profitable at all with 30% taxes). And for meat hourly rate is about 7.04 res for Q5 and 6.45 res for Q4.

I have some questions answers to which I couldn't find in help.

- Why do you need to upgrade city hall?
- What every level of school allows you to produce?
- Will new fields appear if I start extending the town west or north-west or there is a border?
- I see that building work even without workers. When I create the police I can upgrade the house but I cannot upgrade or demolish the buildings. Are all buildings work correctly in this situation or just houses? What happens if I just demolish the police after my houses are upgraded? Will they still work?

hmm..I put in to build a straight road and it built a corner instead. Now I have to scrap it and do it over?

The higher city hall levels allow you to recruit more workers at a time.
For the school, I haven't got past lvl 2, but 1st level is firefighter/police, 2nd is cook/doctor.
Don't know about the fields. From what it looks to me, they start us in a corner.
Your last question is not something I'm too familiar with. Some things require a worker/building to upgrade/demolish/repair, others it doesn't.

Yes.

I learned the hard way that the original roads can't be modified. IE, there is a curved path that can't be added to. I tried to add a straight road and it was isolated. If it has an end or a 4-way then you're good to go.

Good questions! I understand the spreadsheet costed you some (or a lot of) time, but do you want to share this? If not I can understand that.

And another question: do buildings degrade without workers? Since you can not check that if there is no worker in it I want to know if they do?

Thank you. That's enough for me now. I need a cook to destroy a restraunt that I had created by mistake at the very beginning.  :)


Very helpful. Now I know there is no sense to build roads there.


No problem. I've found very useful manuals for beginners so I am glad to share something useful too. I translated it to English and put it here (http://d01.megashares.com/dl/tH3nH6C/Resources.xls). That is very small MS Excel file without any macroses so it is safe. Contact me in case of some questions about it or if you find some errors.

And another question: do buildings degrade without workers? Since you can not check that if there is no worker in it I want to know if they do?



Yes, they do degrade. You will get a triangle warning icon over them when they are 75% degraded (I think it's 75). It gives you enough time to train a worker so you can repair it. Another thing you can do (if you have multiple police, fire, etc) is hire enough for one building and rotate them every few days so you can maintain them. Remember, roads degrade also. They're easy to overlook.

Yes, they do degrade. You will get a triangle warning icon over them when they are 75% degraded (I think it's 75). It gives you enough time to train a worker so you can repair it. Another thing you can do (if you have multiple police, fire, etc) is hire enough for one building and rotate them every few days so you can maintain them. Remember, roads degrade also. They're easy to overlook.
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Sorry but i dont want to read all the post, so anyone can tell me how to csah out from this site?

Lol, there are so many bugs in that game and the programmers just gone for a vacation till January when most online games implement some NY actions/gifts/bonuses. I don't think this game will be very popular with such policy.

I found this spreadsheet very useful, thanks!  You saved me from wasting time upgrading my iron and clay production...

(small tip sent)

Thank you. Take into account that simplified formulas for resource exchange are used there. Actual formulas depend on the amount of selling/buying resources. It works like if you sell resources 1 by 1 several times and every time the price is changed by 0.0001. There is also 1% tax for trading which sometimes is calculated wrongly as there is probably a bug. That means that final profitability of some production buildings will be even less than in the table. Maybe sometimes I'll update the formulas, I still try to understand that logic.

I also created several tables. Here is one of them which may be very useful. It shows levels at which you first need the influence of different buildings. For example if you need to check what buildings require the Restaurant and at what levels you can see that only Police and Hostpital needs it at level 4 and all other building only need it at level 5. I needed that to plan my town.

	Need influence:
Building	Market	Police	Firehall	Hospital	Restaurant	Church	Bank	Casino	Brothel	Cemetery
House	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
City Hall		2	3	4	5
Market		2	3	4	5
Police			2	3	4	5
Firehall		2		4	5	3
Hospital		2	3		4	5
Restaurant		2	3	4	5
Church		3	4	5						2
Bank		2	3	4	5
Casino		2	3	4	5
Brothel		2	3	4	5
Warehouse		3	2	4	5
School		2	3	4	5
Cemetery		3		4	5	2

So I'm just starting and I have a million questions. I like your spreadsheet, but I'm not sure how to use it? I understand putting the correct numbers in, but what does that give me? Should I look at the lowest numbers?

I put today's numbers in:

http://i42.tinypic.com/aey97b.png

Does that mean that the best deal right now is Vegetable or Clay, and how do I use that in comparison with the resource building boxes on the far left (clipped in this pic)? Any help appreciated.

Hmmmm, so here, across the top, using your example, I would only build a first Restaurant in Level 4, and only after a Police and Hospital? Or, across the top again, I would only build a first Hospital in level 3, and only after a Police?

Thanks so much, feel free to PM if you prefer.

So, if anyone is interested in the game, a question. Dad is always being competitive (fine, whatever) and I got him into bitcoins. Now he wants to "Battle of the Titans" (him and I) in Goldentowns. I don't know how long he'll be on this kick, but I said I would play along. Would any of you experts mind commenting on these two maps?

Mine:

http://i43.tinypic.com/1rdnjl.jpg

His:

http://i40.tinypic.com/2l9sbbc.jpg

He seems all over the place, and is running short on unskilled workers. I am plodding along, but not seeming to get ahead. Am I missing something he's doing that I am not? Or is he just spinning his wheels?

Thank you for any comments.

You need to look at the "AVG res/hr" and upgrade/build first resource buildings which give higher 'res/hr' rate. Also look at the level of the buildings. Sometimes upgrading to the new level gives alsmost nothing or even makes the rate smaller or unfrofitable at all. Everything depends on market prices and your taxes. It is usually no need to upgrade the building in that case. But take into account that for level 4 buildings you will spend 4 enegry points per 24 hours (2 to start producing and 2 to collect resources) and with level 5 you will spent just 2 energy per 24 hours as the producing losts 48 hours. I decided to upgrade all resource buildings (except unprofitable iron and clay) upto 5th level now as I am always lack of energy. Also my advise is to be very economical with energy. At the start of the game is seems that there is enough energy but very soon you notice that it is the main resource. So uprgade resource buildings so they spend less energy and give more resources.


I mean levels of the buildings not your level in the game. So when you are upgrading the Police to the 3rd level you need the influence of the Hospital (any level) and to upgrade Police to 4th level you need the influence of the Restaurant. This table helps in deciding where to place which building. You will also need this image:

https://i.imgur.com/YXKdLHK.png
It shows what areas are covered by buildings of different levels.


It seems there is not a big difference. I am not sure if the creation of new warehouse is required at the beginning. New building will need renovation so it is usually better to upgrade the original buildings. Also there is no need to upgrade the SE road in your map. It is better to upgrade road near resource buildings to upgrade them as quickly as possible. But don't forget about workers too. Assigning many workers for building will speed it up in several times. Think twise before the creating new buildings. There is no any confirmation and I created the restraunt in the very beginning and wasn't able to destroy it as it was in idle state without cooks. And to create cooks I need School upgraded to 2nd level and to upgrade it I need Police. I spent a lot of time/energy/resources to demolish that restaurant.

After that I planned my developing thoroughly. I found it useful to use spreadsheets for that too. Just use different colors/labels for cells. Now I have plan for the next several weeks and sometimes correct it.

Okay, thank you, that makes sense.

But couldn't we adjust the spreadsheet such that after you enter the prices and your resources on hand, it would tell you what is the most economical use? For example, you need 20 stone, and you have enough of the other resources to buy it, the spreadsheet would note (given the resources that go into everything but veggies) what is the best trade.

It would seem to me that the first thing to use would always be veggies, but after that, the spreadsheet would tell you that wood (for example) is better to spend than iron on this particular transaction.

A tip I noticed, if you make a transaction that results in say, 3.7741 of an item, you only get three of the item. So it is better to do the math to make sure you are getting say, 4.0003 of the item you need. Saves on wasting.

There are many factors which you need to take into account when you sell/buy resources. At first you need to plan what resource you will need for your next task. The price here is not so important. Anyway as I don't produce clay/iron I usually need to buy them and I use any resource that I don't need in future. If I have wood, I use wood.

Yes there are some chains in the market which you can use to make some profit. But every time you make a transaction the price is changed and you cannot earn to much on this. There is also trading tax and some very weird logic/formulas of taking that tax, so long chains are usually non-profitable. I have some tools to analyse that but I am not ready to share them and I seldom use it as formulas are not very correct yet, trading is too complicated and profit is not so big.

Not exactly. Internally there are float amounts of resources but they are rounded. Due to some logic/bug roundings in Flash and in the Html market are different. Anyway you will not earn with it. BTW minimal tax is 1 resource so sometimes you may sell 1 resource and get nothing. Market UI is awful.

Thanks for all the info. I see your point, the math has been throwing me, and the tax/rounding certainly makes sense.

UIwise, yes, a lot of it is terrible. D'oh!

Does anyone still play it? It seems it should be renamed to BugsTown now. Forum is full of bug reports and reports about stolen gold and even trivial bugs are not being fixed. Referral system is broken. War module is dead. No new announces. The game is dying slowly.

Dude. How big does the font have to be?

Why ponzi? You are not required to invest your money in the game. I haven't paid anything and after 1.5 months of playing I have 100% happiness city with population about 140 and I can earn some money now. I can see some ways to earn more but due to a huge amount of bugs and lack of support it is hard to play.

People made money (credit, points, whatever) off of you. Can you now make your own? What about the people who join after you? 

If you're alright with sinking your time and attention into a scheme which may or may not every work out for you based on where in the chain you came along, I guess that's your business, but inasmuch as you attempt to string others along with a referral sig etc and ignore the ample warnings against the OP, you're part of the problem. Don't be that guy, eh?