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Politics & Society is trash. People go there, look at a headline, and post a few sentences of their first gut reaction without reading any of the other replies. Who here is up to the task of moderating the section in order to remove this garbage, but without hampering the free exchange of ideas there? It'll be tough, since I do want to hear the thoughts of people who can't speak perfect English, people with extreme/offensive ideas, people who are rude while still making legitimate points, etc. So it'll be a difficult balancing act.

Post in this thread if you're interested so I can see other people's comments on you.

Here are the top 20 reporters in that section over the last 90 days:

That board along with all the others that don't have a dedicated mod should have one, but a way to curb the low quality posts in there would be to disallow lower ranked members from either creating threads or straight up posting in there. Politics along with the Off topic boards are the go-to subs for spammers who come here just to earn when they have little to no knowledge of bitcoin. The topics and questions that get posted in there are mind-numbing and infant school level crap day after day. A lot of the time they're also copies from yahoo answers or similar sites. At the very least I would prohibit Juniors or Members from posting and I think you will see a dramatic decline in the nonsense posted in there very quickly. Alternatively, making that board like Serious Discussion where posts don't count towards count or activity would also stop the nonsense.

This may look a Joke but, is a Member qualified to be a Moderator? Or is it even possible though, I want to try this. :)

LoyceV seems like a good pick. They have generally shown themselves to be both intelligent and objective.

So, your solution to keep the free exchange of ideas is to ban lower ranked members?

Nice strawman.

There was a Newbie jail, y'know. It doesn't make sense to allow activity to be accumulated with garbage threads like "how to prepare for your death?" and "the effects of drugs on people..."

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Check out these amazing posts from the latter.


Note that this is on the first page of the thread.

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We should not have these pointless responses. They don't add anything to the discussion and are redundant.

I think we should probably be looking at more established members, though if you had hundreds of reports in there it might be a different case. If you want to be a mod then keep reporting and put in the work to show you would be beneficial as staff.


If theymos wants to keep the free exchange of ideas then he can go with my other suggestion of making it like Serious Discussion and nothing is impacted by that but who actually signs up here just to discuss politics? If you go in there it's just wall to wall kids from south east asia making multiple threads about whether you like your girlfriend or parents more or yet another thread about how much you believe in god or not. This is a bitcoin forum after all so I see no big issue in preventing new members who sign up just to farm their accounts by posting crap in there day after day. A lot of these farmers posts are 100% in there and they don't care about talking politics but just use it as a board to easily add to their post count whilst putting the smallest amount of thought or effort into their posts.

I can see myself in the list.
I'm willing to help but I guess I'm not ready for moderator since I'm rather new here. What I can offer is to monitor the section more often and report.
At the moment I'm more after the ICO Pumpers.
Those 3 hits are from the patrol I'm monitoring from time to time. :)


Well I have more than 700 reports with 100% but I still don't feel like I'll be accepted if I apply. This is just my observation, maybe I'm wrong.

I agree with Hilariousetc. I'd love to post in discussions on that board, but not in the current swamp. All of his suggestions are good, and would help to reduce the workload on anyone who elects to moderate the board. Unfortunately, I'm taking on too many projects at the moment, so I regret I can't volunteer.

I'd support the new clean board, especially if sigs were blocked, and posts didn't count towards activity.

Thanks. I'll keep that in mind. Then I should also vote on LoyceV or The Pharmacist for this type of job.

Thanks! But I barely read Politics & Society, and I don't want to spend more time on that board than I do now. Partially because it's currently filled with trash, but also because I try to stay away from political debates.
I wouldn't mind spending a few hours on that board once in a while with a big red delete button, but that's not enough to properly moderate it.

That being said:
As an example, let me have a look at the top topic: the effects of drugs on people... (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3249852.0)
The first 6 posts:
1. It's created by a Newbie who mainly posts in bounty threads and P&S.
2. Generic post by a Newbie who mainly posts in bounty threads and P&S.
3. Generic post by a Jr. Member who mainly posts in bounty threads, Off-topic and P&S.
4. A Youtube link dump from a Hero Member.
5. Generic post by a Full Member who mainly posts in bounty threads and P&S.
6. Useless post Newbie Off-topic, Economics and P&S.

I wouldn't miss any of those people if they stop posting on the forum. It's a really thin line between freedom of speech for people who can't speak perfect English and just shitposting. In my opinion, it would be a good start if at least 80% of the threads and probably also 80% of the posts in the remaining threads would be deleted.
But, I fear the spammers will move on to other boards if that happens. I already see more and more shitposters on the technical boards, trying to earn merit. Their posts get deleted quickly after being reported, but if enough of them move there, those boards will be lost too.

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It surprises me that only 15 people have reported more than one post in 3 months. That doesn't show much community involvement (although I don't know the numbers for other boards).

The problem is,not many reporters are actively reporting stuff from that section.Being an active reporter myself,I think I'll start visiting that section more often.The user " Flying Hellfish " has the most Non-Bad reports,maybe they should be able to handle it accurately.I'd choose them as they already have an idea of what a good report is.

I had almost 1k reports in politics and off topic (in a few days), I was actually trying to help the mods clean it up a little (right before merit dropped).  The first 900 posts I had a 98% accuracy.  My last 100 reports "appeared" to be not be dealt with and my accuracy dropped to sub 90%.  I stopped reporting, if I wasn't accurate anymore I didn't want to waste the mods time.  If they were accurate but not being dealt with I didn't want to waste my time.

I would be willing to spend time in there trying to clean it up I'm in those sections already.

I don't like:
Shitposters, account and sig farmers
Redundant threads and answers
Scammers

I don't care:
Where a poster is from
What someones point of view is (as long as it not a redundant shitpost for post count)
how good someone English skills are (as long as it's not google translated English).  As long as the meaning of the post can be understood.

So glad to see one of my favorite sections on this forum is going to get a much needed Mod to clean it up.

I would have reported more but i got too frustrated by the garbage in there and stopped visiting that section all together.

I used serious discussion as an alternative

Most people probably don't want to waste their time with it. It takes time to report things and there's no real benefit for people other than helping the community out.


Scams aren't moderated by staff so you should leave those alone if you become a mod but feel free to leave negative feedback on scams or potential ones.


As I'm sure most others who wanted a decent discussion would, but farmers and spammers don't care about that. Maybe we should turn any board that isn't directly about bitcoin into a SD type board where posts don't count towards activity etc (so Off Topic and Politics). People wouldn't abuse them then.

It's nice to see that there's going to be an attempt to reclaim that section, I've noticed a few politics related discussions going on within serious discussion and have quite enjoyed a few of them. I used to think it was a lack of moderation within the section, but it appears by these stats that there just isn't enough reports.
 
On to the list though. Here's my personal thoughts on the candidates:

Flying Hellfish speaks for himself in the most active reporter in the section although, judging by the other report figures there isn't a whole lot of competition. That's probably because people just gave up and moved on to other sections like serious discussion. I think it says a lot though that Flying Hellfish is still reporting even though the section is completely drowned out by spammers and has been for a very long time.

If it's true that he had almost 1k reports in a few days I think that shows that he's willing to put in the work even if they wasn't all correct. It's very easy to get dishearten when your accuracy is falling and there's no way to verify why unless you manually keep on checking if it's been removed via the modlog, and especially in Politics and Society due to the sheer amount of spam. Although, 257 good reports is still a very respectable number.

Foxpup reports quite a few posts outside of Politics and Society and if I remember correctly has a very good accuracy percentage too. So he obviously knows what to report and likely how to deal with it. He's also shown the desire to better the forum by contributing to it throughout the years he's been here:
 Reference 1  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1563511.msg15691352#msg15691352)
 Reference 2  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2757394.msg28162229#msg28162229)
 Reference 3  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2080032.msg20789122#msg20789122)


Vod I think it goes without saying that Vod has dedicated his time in ridding the community with scammers and has used his analytical skills to do so. Even though scams aren't moderated if Vod could use these analytical skills for moderation of the junk I'm sure he would be a good match.

There isn't enough active reporters of that section to really pick and choose though and if you do become stuck then I would be willing to help out. But, I haven't really visited that section on a regular basis in a long time and whoever you pick I'll be sure to start contributing more to reporting in that section now that there's going to be a dedicated mod dealing with it.

We probably need both of them, especially if they are in different time zones.

Yeah, other sections have multiple moderators and if it was one section then I would think that Politics and Society would be the most in need of multiple moderators.

It's a shame that you are busy because as far as I remember you report a few posts and seem to quite enjoy the political discussions. Same goes for LoyceV as I think they have also shown a desire to improve the forum wherever they can.

A few members before you have been made a moderator at lower ranks. If I remember correctly rickbig wasn't considered a high rank but, reported posts in a timezone where things wasn't getting handled. You seem to be willing to put in the work, but Politics and Society is a little different than those over at the alt section as they do tend to be a little more complicated. Although, I don't see why theymos wouldn't at least consider you if you threw your hat in.

Thanks, but I'd be really bad. I've got really strong social and political views, I'm not politically correct, and I support the big red button. :)

Ya, I'm aware of forum policy on moderating scams, to be honest I don't see a lot of "scamming potential" in the politics boards so I wouldn't expect there to be much "scam tagging" in that board!


This was kinda of it for me.  As mentioned there is no way to know why and it is a little frustrating tbh.  I didn't mind reporting in an effort to try to help clean up those boards but I certainly did not want to waste anyone's time.  Based on not wanting to waste anyone's time and the fact that the merit system dropped I decided to reduce my reporting and just wait and see how things go.

As I enjoy a good political debate a dedicated mod to the politics board seems like a really good idea and whomever it ends up being you will probably see a bunch of reports from me.

my answer is as bright as star. Willing? no way I'm still young to worried about how to save free folks from being civilized and I'm more worried how to plant a vegetables in my garden so I can practice my belly to get use to a healthy living.

I didn't even post in that section however there's no way of knowing it because general statistic had been disabled for a long time now and rereading my back post would be laborious as of now.

The best person will be @Flying Hellfish , a mod should be neutral , not a representant of a group , and @Flying Hellfish is the best candidat to choose , with his 257 report noone beat this. Added a mod who will work for a group of bounty managers or a group of DT members will be the worst decision you can take theymos.

What if mods reward members a merit for an accurate report of spam/useless posts topic? This way more users will have more initiative to report those kinds of threads/posts whenever they see one. This will also help the forum as a whole if there are a lot of members who will do so, but I guess it would add a huge workload since the moderators will get more report than it is now. This is just my opinion tho.

Merit system should be used to create new and more useful posts while decreasing the number of spam posts.

By adding report rewards, you're only acting upon the latter. Plus, you'll probably see a lot of spam reports – if users are scrambling to get merit now through strange ways, then surely they won't care about doing bad reports as long as they can get some good reports through (which result in merit)?

It's maybe good in one way but just imagine all the shitposters hungry for merit what they can do if such change is accepted? Creating shit-threads only to report them accumulating merit. There are many ways to abuse system like this and you are not the first to suggest it. It has been discussed before, just search the forum :)

I have suggested it before, but in a 1 Merit per 100 reports (say >95% accurate) ratio. I don't think it's worth making 100 bad posts just to report them, when it's easier to just find 100 bad posts. And if someone reports 1000 posts, I don't mind him reaching Member status. Even if his own posts aren't that good, he'll have a positive net contribution to the forum after 1000 reports.

Well, if you guys put it that way made me realize all the worst possible outcomes that can go along with it if report rewards will be implemented. I apologize for that suggestion, I did not put too much about it earlier. ;D Thinking about it now, it is good as it is now because members who report useless posts on their own volition is much better because posts that are being reported with that initiative are ones that should be really deleted in the forum.

As I agree with you I see also weakness.
Let us take the ICO pumpers as an example, the bots are creating thousands of comments per day, I try to spare some time to browse and report some profiles in the ANN section,but there is just an disaster, well this is other topic.

As bots are created to post in the threads, seems to be easy to make a bot to report threads.
Here is an example of a report link > Well, you have some cool down time between reports for sure, but I don't think this will stop them as they can adjust the time between reports.
So you have two bots running, one spamming, other reporting. Then you have an extra income when doing the ico pumps from farming menit and selling accounts.

There is an option like captcha to be added for both posting and reporting, but many users already have trouble using it for login so it has to be locally integrated.

Of course there will be real people reporting too, so it's kind of put the shiposters to do some good work, but I don't know what will be the impact of reporting.

Indeed I just speak my opinion about the matter, you really have a broad knowledge about shitposting.

As I've mentioned before it would just be exploited by people if you could earn merits this way. I wouldn't be against rewarding people for reporting in some other capacity or with additional perks but merit shouldn't be given out for it as it's just asking to be gamed.

If you pay me $1000 per month, I will spend 7-9 hours 5 days a week to become a mod. I have been called staff recently, I wouldn't mind to make it official. I don't have a job. my country could go to war. let me climb this ladder.

@don DarkStar_, suchmoon, and the rest of the don's family, I will serve you, just let me become a mod, may we have 72 members like alia in heaven.

Note, I immediately edited the post about Joe even before I open this thread.
Note again, trust me once, if I betrayed you, you'd lose nothing, a mod's actions could be reversed. if I don't betray you, you could have a loyal staff forever. I don't want your place as an admin.

Note once more, nobody would vouch for me, my resume is in your hands as the admin.

@theymos : why just one mod? (or not?), cleaning dusts from the biggest jungle needs more hands.
I believe most of the top reporters are good, go vod?

#Send_more_troops!
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZxFUirWsAAyMvY.jpg
#Good luck for our brave peace keepers in their infinity war!

Exactly. Why would anyone force themselves to go through a lot of garbage, and report posts without any certainty that they would actually be handled (soon)?

“The good you do today, will often be forgotten.  Do good anyway.”
- Mother Teresa

I am well versed and interested in various political topics in the US and to a lesser extent internationally.

I don’t currently frequently read the politics section and haven’t for a while because of its high level of garbage posts/threads.

I have my own opinions on various topics, but am respectful to opposing opinions, even if they are ridiculous.

I am familiar with the various forum rules.

I probably wouldn’t be able to commit to spending more than 5-10 hours/week helping out, although I may end up spending more time if I have the time.

Looks to me that Flying Hellfish has already been trying to moderate that sub forum he'll probably be just fine to have powers there. Anyway what posts should one report in the Politics and Society? I took a look and it looks to me that the majority of the posts are trash and if a topic is creating bad responses shouldn't it be scrapped itself? For example https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3257278.0 that topic can only be answered a few times in different ways its already gone past the point where all replies are repeated should that topic be reported?

I would prefer to just continue posting in serious discussion because it's not as trashy as that sub forum.

Not asking for much hey!

I guess what theymos wants is actually moderating the forum and enforcing the rules. for example:





User above has posted 4 times in a row. a mod could merge them to one post.

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Or this one:


Obviously trying to increase post count, you shouldn't quote somebody and then say nothing if you are a bounty participant, it shows that user has no regard for the forum. he is not even interested in the discussion.

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Again this dude:


Not even reading what he wrote, somebody who would quote a 5 lines comment to say something constructive, should at least check to see that he'd spelled "privacy" wrong. what he has done has nothing to do with freedom of speech, it's an attempt to spam and increase post count and should be deleted.

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This user has most of his half liner posts in Politics & Society section, he is a service owner selling proxies. most of his/her posts are in that section, even has repeated some short comments, but they are on different topics and posted in different times. if he was in a bounty campaign, you could have consider deleting his posts. most of his posts are on topic and to the point.


There is something suspicious about the following posts, there are a few just like them in this user's post history, but they are not posted on the same thread but on the same topics. would you ban this user? of course not.

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This one should be deleted, title: Re: Who is the most powerful politicians?


This shouldn't be tolerated otherwise it would become a habit.

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This one is not about poor English, he/she doesn't even know what he is talking about. a nation's education is about spinal cord? Nonsense.

This is on page 24 of a topic, there are more than 20 posts concluding the same thing. this user doesn't have anything useful to contribute first, at least a post with more than 5 lines in English forums. only used P & S section to increase post count. what he/she said, is like me saying that, not all the prostitutes are like alia, there are some good prostitutes in the society. if I only post the part in bold, without any contribution, that post should be deleted if you don't want to ban the user you should disable their signature. we shouldn't allow them to abuse the freedom and should delete their posts. I don't agree or disagree with what he has posted, there are many other posts saying the same thing, he didn't read a few pages before posting? when his post is deleted or his signature is disabled, there will be no more redundant replies. (note this wasn't about Muslims or what he is saying, this was a random pick on a section where people use to also talk about nations and their religious beliefs) you don't want his posts gone? let a mod disable his signature.
Remember, you don't eat your family, I don't know if you meant this kind of post should not be deleted, I'd delete this one posted after 18 pages.
This is not about freedom of speech. this one is like hundreds of other replies:
The user (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1229397) above is like thousands of other users. he/she is definitely an alt, many of his/her posts are in P & S section. a mod should take such users and investigate 50 accounts every day and then deletes their redundant posts. this could result as a warning to these account farmers. a mod should find different users with different writing styles to delete their posts. deleting a whole topic without reading every single post is not enough and would result having them posted again. if similar redundant posts are deleted every day, they will stop posting. if a mod could have access disabling their signatures from showing, they will become Jr members if they try to register new accounts, now with merit they will not be able to go above Jr member rank.

You want me to give you more examples? at least let me have alia for a few minutes. a man has got to recharge, right?

@theymos can you show us bad reports too?

Moderator doesn't have to be trusted or regular poster in politics section, he has to moderate section following forum rules and nothing else, Flying Hellfish looks like good candidate. He should be moderator unless he has too many bad reports.

Your only valid indication is too many bad reports? of course you need to be trusted, it's all about the trust. if you could find somebody to trust, you could even teach them what and how to do and then know that they will always do the right thing. theymos needs somebody first to trust and then to know a few things about the big picture.
Also, did he just woke up after 15 days of inactivity or his posts are in sections ignored by me? he isn't showing that much interest anyways.


If you want it, say that you want it, I can feel doubt in you. be like me only in this matter (I don't want to share alia with anybody else, so don't be like me in my desires for holy purposes a.k.a.... no this is not the place to explain what kind of purposes I'm talking about.) even though I am more interested in major policies, this is a start, right?

No trout please theymos, I wasn't thinking about administrator, just a global moderator after a while. I'm not fit for that (administrator) position. to all other candidates, if you want to be a moderator, please take time and present a few examples like I did. it took me 3 hours. I'm not perfect, I will be needing to learn many things. please don't let the cartels to take over this forum.

Note, Economics section also needs a mod.
Question, do you pay more than $1000 for less than 40 hours a week to your mods? if yes, my offer is the same. dollar was 4000 RLS in my country last week, now is 5000 RLS. sanctions man. $1000 per month is the average wage. I also shouldn't enroll in the highest paying signature campaign just because I'm a mod. however I have to kiss alia and all other holy purposes and jokes goodbye as a mod.

If this is indeed the last time I'm free as a random forum member, I hope to have 72 young girls all for myself to do whatever I want with them in heaven. yeah, right.
May the best person for this position become the moderator.

~CS for community servant.

I think theymos has to come with a bit more detailed description of his vision for this forum. I've read some pieces here and there, but now everyone has to make his own research to figure out what is right or wrong or against the forum ideology. Here is a brief preview :


I guess he has to put everything in one thread and update it with the time, like the requirements for the new forum software  here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=523070.0). And this thread has to be pinned. It'll be inspiration for many newcomers and answer of the many questions raising every day.

From what I have read till now that the idea is to keep the freedom of speech no matter of where you are coming from, the language you speak and the colour of your skin or how rude you are as long as you don't do something illegal, which is also acceptable in a way / if you have no evidence of a real crime/ but not tolerated /like the scammers/.

I also whan to ask some simple questions in a hope to get some answers and find the logic behind them.

Why there is nothing done to prevent the bot activity here which is causing so much spam, ico pumping, account farming, etc.?

One simple puzzle solving options, like Binace have, for every post and report can have a huge impact on them. I know solving captcha is a problem for some users so it can be a local integration.

Why there is no confirmation email upon registration?
You can use whatever you want to register, even Bill Gates's address, so he cannot register with his email/ I know shitty example but still/ if he wants to.
This is also in the bot's favour.

I will gladly continue the fight against the spam but now the other side is winning with better equipment /bots/  against our bare handed spartan army  / time consuming human moderation/ despite of merit, it's a good weapon but still not enough.

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I bet for nullius. Though his rank is for newbie, his mentality and shareable thoughts & experience is similar with users who have 6 badges at their name. I want nullius to become a moderator in politics and society because I know that he is a quality poster, and if a quality poster will become a mod definitely, all shitposts will null in use. So, I vote for nullius!

Not that it is actually any of your business but yes I did take a short break for my spinal decompression surgery a few days ago.  I guess if I can not have a life outside the forum then I will make a bad mod.

Also please note not posting does not mean not logging on and reading etc.

Friendly fire in the camp before the battle is the worst soldierS!
You gotta inspect enemies behind their lines and report them in order to get promoted boyS.

There is no friendly fire mate, I was directly responding to his accusations.  If someone levels accusations about me am I not allowed to politely correct him and defend myself?

Digaran is not my enemy man hes a poster on a forum.  If I need to look at him as my enemy and I can't respond to accusation nor can I have a life outside the forum then well man I may not be the right bloke for the job after all!

I just asked both of you (in a military manner since i consider P&S as a jungle full of "rebels") to concentrate your efforts on your probably future task rather than arguing each other. Stats are clear, being inactive for a period is normal, otherwise it should rise suspicions :P

Thats cool bro.  I agree that the focus should be on the task at hand.  As a someone who's thrown their hat in the ring I don't feel it's my place to point out issues with the other candidates.  I feel that is something best left to other users to debate and ultimately up to Theymos to decide!  However since it was brought up I felt it appropriate to respond.   I specifically did not "fire" back (using your military analogy!  :)).  If you notice all I did was answer Digarans questions.

As you said stats are stats, anyone can see I have been here for approximately 5 years.  I'm not legendary yet in part due to RNG but mostly because I don't care if I post 14 times in 2 weeks or not.  I could have had max activity long ago and ensure legendary rank but I just don't care.  I read more than I post if that is a negative mark on me then so be it, it is what it is!

In 5 years, do you have the majority of your reports just in a few days? you think reporting is a waste of time for moderators. they should actually spend their time on handling the reports. would you consider shooting fish in a barrel as something contributive?


I'm giving you a chance to edit this one, however theymos could see no matter what you do. I wouldn't trust somebody if he/she has no fear of God. I know for a fact that administration and staff team of this forum don't like somebody talking about our saviour like that. (for the record, I do believe in Jesus, I do believe him to be alive and to be one of the God's prophets. I believe that he is the saviour of humanity like the grandson of the last prophet)
I do fear God and ask forgiveness every day of my life. I'm 29 years old and a true virgin. lol if you want.  I do make mistakes and would try to fix them and improve myself. I have nothing to offer to this world, that is why I'm trying to make a difference.

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Unlike you. I'm actually willing to tie myself to this forum. it means everything to me. I just wonder, why would you want to spend your time on meaningless interwebz forum? I'm surprised to see some respected and trusted members vouching for you blindly.

Here I am, offering my time asking for a wage, am I going to wake up every morning at 8AM to start moderating and dealing with reports until 3-4-5PM every day like a robot? never. if that is what expected from a mod, then I am not able to do that. but I will spend at least 35 up to 45 hours per week to do the job. can I make mistakes and let theymos down? I hope not. but I will not let this forum and community down. you don't even have a signature, is the salary of a moderator higher than $2000-$3000? for me $1000 is enough, I wouldn't mind getting more but if getting less could help this forum then I'd accept it. am I going to be included on DT2 list? please don't add me to DT list. I don't want any power over other members other than cleaning their garbage. do I have to be included on DT list whether I want it or not? don't count on me then. give this job to somebody else.

Am I allowed to swear and curse people? if I am, should I do it? of course I wont do it. even saying "garbage" should be replaced by some other word. should I delete or even engage in any discussions with the humble Joe? of course not, I'm just a cleaning guy. should I respect everybody equally even if they are scammers? who am I to address them? I'm just a cleaning guy. do I have to revisit my trust feedback left on people even though they would have no weight on their trust scores? absolutely. why should I accept to do all of those things? because it is the right thing to do.

Can any of you guys offer something better? then offer and honor. am I terrible at English? I'm the worst. have I ever misunderstood others? yes ( Joe is an exception, it was never about the quality of what he is doing, it was about what somebody with malicious intent could do. I don't know why I'd edited this post of mine, oh right I did it as a joke, here it is a scenario. I wasn't actually trying to even joke about selling merits as a source, I was trying to hint at a possible scenario.

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This could be off topic for many but if there is a chance for me to be considered as a candidate, I need to explain my behavior, I'm not impulsive and irrational just for the lol. there is intention of joking and laughing, not to troll. just extreme irresponsibility in expressing myself because I have never felt obligated to behave responsibly. only when I'm meriting others I feel obligated to do my best.


Part in bold is me asking for respect after asking something worthy of insult, when I said that "I only want the money without doing the job" you should naturally swear at me and insult me for saying that, I immediately demanded respect, because I was assuming the reader would curse me after reading that line, so I said : "show me some respect" because I insulted myself for being like that. other people thought that I was seriously asking to be respected for being a merit source.

Note, I have edited out a part which I would deem inappropriate now to display. I was wondering about not receiving any PM from that newbie, I have newbies PMs on ignore as it seems. not that I was interested to engage with him/her. I thought that he/she intentionally said to check PM to make me look like a real merit seller. I still have newbie PM on ignore. there is also no other means of communication to contact me outside of this forum. forum members could only contact me via PM. theymos has access to them. I have also tried to change my meriting tactics constantly, there shouldn't be only one method to merit people, I'm doing this to show that I have no absolute and sure method in giving merits. what Joe is doing, is inviting low rank members to participate with good post quality to get merits.

Who could do some good quality post? of course somebody with that ability could join his challenge and post something good, fine let them do that. it only opens up an opportunity for one person to post with some quality with multiple accounts. there is a never ending supply of merits, if you join his challenge and post garbage, you wont get anything. but if you post good stuff, Joe and a few others could even post hundreds and get merits + 0.0007BTC per post. it is a slow process to farm accounts and sell merits or just the accounts while earning both as well with their high rank accounts as doing the community a big favour.

Claiming to help 100 poor families as a charitable gesture to the world, he should invite them here to join bounties and earn some money. lol.
I only tried to warn him that other people could use the same excuse to actually farm merits and accounts, reviewing hundreds of topics and thousands of posts would be too much of a workload for the forum and even DT members to handle. they would end up tagging people while the majority could succeed in their account farming. then it comes to community members trying to report these farmers, nobody would reward them enough and they would slowly stop helping.

Remember to thanks before and put me on ignore later.
~LOTLOJ for leader of the league of justice.

That would be a great way to push away legit users, while the spammers' clickfarms don't mind the extra work. If it's for Newbies only (Copper members excluded) it could help though.

Nullius hasn't posted in Politics & Society in 5 weeks. He excels in tech forums.
Also, he's a Full Member, not a Newbie.

You're giving me the chance to do what now, I feel honoured /s.  You claim to know a lot of facts and honestly I don't care what Theymos religious beliefs are.

I won't be editing my posts (unlike you!) because I am allowed my opinion.  BTW this a forum, differences in opinions are what make this place work...

In his OP Theymos:


It would seem to me that EVEN if Theymos is deeply religious he would value my different opinion on the matter if I am to believe what he wrote...  So I am automatically untrustworthy because I believe in physical scientific universe rather than the supernatural one, I guess if you say so!


hilariousandco said it great here
You are allowed to do whatever you want within the rules man.  I don't get from your posts that you really understand this because you spent much of your post attacking me for my beliefs?????  Does that sound like a person that can allow and promote free speech in a jungle (as Invo put it!)


I explained my views on these in my posts.  Bottom line is NO I do not want to waste anyone's times and again I feel I've already explained why.

Having been here for almost 5 yrs I think its amusing you call into question my desire to be here...  I have my reasons for being part of this community but the biggest two are that I believe in BTC and always have and I have spare time so I read up on a topic relevant to me.  You seem to have misread or misunderstood the quoted post I was talking specifically about ranks and being "proud" of them.  Further down in the quote and probably more relevant to the discussion here is my comment about the content of posts. Thanks for bringing that up I think it shows why I am here!

I am not here for signature campaigns (as I have never worn a paid signature).  Having seen how great this forum was it does annoy me that shitposting farmers and bots have made me wade through a virtual cesspool of posts to find anything worth reading.  I freely admit that my posting has diminished over the years and for me the spam epidemic played a part in that.

You came in here asking for money, a job, tossing around numbers like they mean something and DT this and that and then throw this bad boy out there.

Are you suggesting somehow that me not wearing a signature is a bad thing?  Ya I don't wear one, I don't want to be forced to post a certain number of times per week.  Sometimes I just don't have anything to add to the threads I've visited.

I offered to help try to clean it up some and I would do it while I am online here.  I won't be online here 35-45 hrs a weeks, I'm not looking for a job.

Will you be willing to moderate the section for no money?

How many posts have you reported? Not just in Politics & Society, but in all of BCT.

@ the flying fish

I gave you a merit because you don't have a signature ( is that a valid reason :) ).

I support yur application, and I hope you can clean up the board so that I can post my anti EU comments and oppose it's Unicorn politicians.

don't forget tht a Unicorn is not a magical creature spraying stardust, but it is an invention by man to help capture and enslave free spirits.

Brainwashing nonsense.
Moderator should be Christian?
What does this have to do with forum moderation?
You are 29 years old idiot. No wonder you are still a virgin.

Oh shit, this camp which suppose training peacekeepers got infiltrated with twoublemakers saying no sense. How cute...
P&S metastasis.

As I have suggested it makes sense now that cleaning politics & society section is a tough job.
just make a poll about the matter so everyone can decide who is/are the appropriate person to do certain sort of task.

I never said nobody is allowed to say whatever they want, I also agree about freedom of speech. in P & S section people are trying to get by. not blatantly breaking the rules but doing something worse, bending the rules and using forum's resources. there are even more suitable examples for me to provide once more, I have been waiting to see if I have been considered as a candidate by theymos and his team. and I said that I would personally limit myself, I would do the moderating job by the book and professionally whilst keep posting as usual with another account a.k.a Literally_farming_merits. lol in magnitude of 0.2.


If you don't believe in a supernatural God and the afterlife, it doesn't make you automatically untrustworthy, it makes you potentially untrustworthy. those who believe in afterlife and would even kill hundreds to get some young virgins in their imaginary heavens are walking around with the same potential. you either don't believe and insist on not believing, so you could do whatever you want, no consequence, no God. you want to have sex with a married woman. if you could manage to have sex without her husband finding out, nobody around to see. the potential in you is stronger to go along with it. if you get your hands on a few Millions, temptation to take the money for yourself and spend it because you only live once, is stronger.


That was actually my idea about how a moderator should be, what should be expected from a moderator. I was suggesting new (new for this forum) rules, policies. moderator "job" should be moderating, express your personal opinions with an alt. if I find my numbers are not worth my time, I could ask for a raise. now you have been the only other candidate posting for this "job" if others are better than me, sure give them the chance, but if you are not interested in doing a job but only in DT status, people should know.


If you are not looking for a job and don't want to spend that much time, I am and I'm willing to do that, the real contribution is for you to step aside and let me become a mod as a full time job and then keep reporting those obvious fishes dropping garbage for me to clean, you see any flaws in my ideas on how we should deal with garbage posters and account farmers? suggest your ideas, to help me improve. I will remember you when I'm on top sitting next to theymos, the other admin has already been dealt with. they have pinned something worse than heresy on him, Bcash defector. no mercy killing for that crime. <insert an image of an angry man spanking alia, nobody else around to punish>


You are allowed to have your opinions heard. I didn't say that we should have your post removed. but if I'm a mod and see any hints of other users trying to follow your example, I would delete it. would you then report it or even post a topic to complain about that post being deleted? highly unlikely, because you'd know what would and could be the reactions to such complaining. if somebody else with a low rank account states the same and or similar opinion, should I delete his/her post and not yours? because you have earned at least that, to freely express your opinion which is extremely offensive for at least a Billion people? nobody earns the right to bad mouth about a place where is considered one of the holiest places on the world. you don't believe in that, so there would be nothing as holy and as sacred for you to have people say something as offensive about it. because you believe in something not sacred for a Billion people, you could argue that you'd welcome to hear other people cursing at your dick, since that would be the holiest thing for somebody who doesn't believe in anything other than this physical and material world.


You knowingly would submit such an offensive comment without adding something to make it constructive. you wont even admit that you have made a mistake to move forward and fix it.

That seems a little judgmental. And for someone who is supposed to be objective, wouldn't you say that this affects your moderating ability?

You seem to be basing a lot of your criticisms by using your religion. It seems rather foolish to do so. I won't get into it further because that discussion would be better reserved for P&S. Or, if we are going to discuss you and/or Flying Hellfish, we can make a thread in Reputation. If you would like to create a topic and link it, I would be glad to jump in.

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I'm not sure why you're so vehemently attacking Flying Hellfish.

What is this in relation to? Non-religious sentiment? The expanded section also seems a little strawman-like.

All this ad hominem for a desperate potential job-grab... :/

I don't want to get off topic here, and no personal offense meant, but this is complete nonsense.

The Bible promotes slavery and states we should stone people to death who work on Sundays. Of course, these views are abhorrent, and no civilised society does these things any more. But how do we know? Because we have an internal, non-biblical, non-religious moral compass that tells us these things. You either accept that religion is not in any way the basis for morality, or you accept that slavery is fine because your religion says so.

Saying that the only reason you are not a stealing, murdering rapist is because you think God is watching is honestly terrifying.

First you "joke" about getting respect for being a merit source.  Now you want to sit on the top next to Theymos.  holy fuck man you seem to be power tripping or something bro...

I thought you didn't like swearing and won't use it?
Hypocrite much? Oh wait see below  ;D


I'm sorry did I misunderstand the part where you said:

See the bolded word is very much important here and you didn't put that in until the second post...  In your first post you categorically said you would not trust somebody if he/she has no fear of God

You're continued attack on me because of my atheist beliefs is VERY revealing.  IMO is it so off topic and irrelevant I hate to even reply.  All I will say is that the argument that atheists have less of a moral compass than religious people is so ridiculous it isn't even funny and ironically enough extremely offensive!

I am also not going to just drop out because you want me to or because YOU think you will be better than me.  That is a decision Theymos will make based on his criteria for what is best for the forum and I will happily respect his decision.

Oh, that will serve you well in life.

Distrusting everyone with common sense is just going to leave you with idiots.
I understand that you want others to have their hand in the sand so you are not lonely.

Such a backwards person should not be put in any position of authority...

Master Vod, please don't worry, you are the only one to have the authorities in your desired position. there is strangely no body talking about staff being representatives of the FORUM here. hypocrite much?

I've already read this post 4 times and I still don't understand what you're trying to say.

What does hypocrisy have to do with your previous statement? It seems a little bit irrelevant. And moreover, what do your first two statements even mean?

Still scratching my head after reading that one. ???

From what I understood, he means that mods/staff aren't representative of the actual users, you know like congress/parlements, and no one is saying a word because they are whether afraid or liking mods shoes to get immunity (...etc) = hypocrisy.
Well, first sentence could be understood that vod is well placed to be the chosen one (comparing the moon to a star in da sky) or that all vod demands are accepted (less probable, think the first one is more accurate).

Finally, i think that I OBVIOUSLY explained this messy message in sentences containing clear random words.

MENA LFM/digaran? (IF alt then)
(the name let me think you are from SEA?)
Little bit random words containing ambiguous text which i made a little bit clear for everybody?

Are you a plumber at Konami? you like to clean but we shouldn't look at your post history. even demanding job description, rules and regulation.
#farmingauthority.
Some stupid high ranking member is posting to say $1000/month 40hrs/week. done.
Comes a confidant cleaner with 27-30 posts demanding details of the job first.
Not only a stupid miserable virgin, but even no experiences applying for a job.

God bless!1i!1

is there a specific requirement for it?
if you agree, I'll be happy to do so. I will be glad if I join to build this forum.

First thing to do was to post here to say that I shouldn't be trusted. you actually earned that right years ago.
What you didn't earn the right to do, is instead of posting your application you did tried to abuse your DT status and felt privileged, you thought theymos already has your  name on the list and didn't bother to apply. now if you become a mod, it could mean 2 things:

1- theymos has already selected you and this thread was just a show (highly unlikely, he doesn't dictate the rules like that, when something is good for the community as a whole, he would act alone first and then asks for ideas for improvements a.k.a merit system. if all the leaders were like this. sigh)

2- somehow you or somebody else persuaded him to make you a mod.

Please tell me that you are not interested in this job/position. otherwise it would mean that your first impulse, was an instinct to use your position as a DT member for your own benefit and you shouldn't be put in any position of authority.

Wait, I can hear a voice. what theymos? you telling me that Vod is a veteran member and has earned this one to be slighted? well I'm disappointed. wat now? I have a potty big mouth and talk bigger than my mouth? I know. this is what my book is teaching me to be. this is not an act. if you as the admin and the leader are the last bird for me to shoot. I am admitting here and now, that I am only disappointed. I don't see the bigger picture as you do. I'm sure you have a better reason than respect and gratitude for this slight. I'm certain that I am unable to see the reason for your silence about so many injustices. note that, corruption has no place in your level of power, it's place is in the lower levels. I'm asking you, please change this system. learn from the enemy and improve their system by adding consensus voting. if DT1-2 members are not willing to compromise just because of their arrogance. put 12 randomly selected active members above Sr member rank to responsibly decide on a case of negative trust rating and vote on it's removal if DT1-2 member has avoided to handle the case after 60 days. every neg trust should give the receiver 20 days to request an appeal to the tagger and they should wait 80 days in total to have their case handled by those 12 members.

Then 6 Hero + rank members, could be randomly selected to review the votes of those 12 members and reward 5 merits to every responsible good voter. then 3 Legendary or staff members randomly selected to review those 6 members and reward them with 10 merits. if DT1-2 members could solve a case on their own after 20 days of tagging, they should be rewarded with 10 merits for each case. every 6 months or so, pay these members with money for every merit received. you would need to limit DT1-2 tagging ability to 20 accounts per month. with incentive they will all become more active.

Just don't give them absolute power over all the members.

Bye guys, if I go inactive after this post, I was banned, I promise to take it on alia if you ban me. do you want that innocent girl to suffer for my mistakes? OK then.
Please don't delete this post as off topic. I'm up all night to write this, mod or banned former source. I will use my alt a.k.a Literally_farming_merits to haunt you down masters.

I am not in the list, but this certainly sounds like something I would have the skill set and available time to accomplish. I'm not applying for the position (although I am interested, just doubt I am close to the best candidate), but the free exchange of ideas, allowing non-native speakers to express their opinions/ideas and allowing radical ideas to flow is something I believe in vehemently. Free speech is one of the single most important ideals that a community can hold, and this is primarily true when dealing in Politics & Society.

I'm going to see if I can assist in reporting around that board, get a feel for if I understand the criteria and the situation. The moderator needs to (in my opinion) :

Be a proponent of free speech
Have the ability to distinguish spam from poorly expressed opinion
Be willing to accept the position

I feel that I do not know enough of the values or views on free speech of the people on this list. I would "blindly" give my endorsement towards LoyceV, even though I'm not sure that they're particularly interested in the gig. Vod has done wonders for the community, but I am unsure to what, if any, extent their strongly held views on particular issues will influence the work they would potentially be doing.  I wish that I had more to say in this situation on more of the people seriously being considered, but at this time it doesn't sound like there are many good options that fit all three criteria; it seems like we can hammer out 2/3 at best.

digaran, you're not being banned, don't worry buddy.

Things going too far and personally i should say :
https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/120207095328-lopez-russia-veto-horizontal-large-gallery.jpg
to someone who has delusional disorder...
Will you accept someone who knows nothing about neutrality to moderate the worst place on earth?

The reason is not far fetched.

If you listen to the complaints from forum members again merit system is because they want to rank up so they can do signature. Now, most, if not all bounty managers discourage people from that board. Your post will not count when you post in the politics & society section. Therefore people's attention is directed towards those sections you are sure to benefit maximally.

To get quality involvement of forum members,  please stop bounty campaign managers from excluding this section in their post count.

When I make some jokes about wanting the money and not doing the job, people use some parts of my comment against me.

https://i.imgflip.com/28ahwg.jpg

Master Bill Gates, it is much appreciated to elaborate more on "not applying but interested" if you are not applying, then you are interested in kissing other people's asses. how could you blindly endorse somebody else and expect to be treated equally?
Translation: I know no other way to suck for a particular member, even though they have strong belief in common sense, yet disregarding it with their avatar and what it says in their signature. perfectly fit together.

Translation: I'm below this person, he is way above my head, I'd blindly endorse for him. you don't know that by doing what you just did, you lowered yourself down with him. for example, don't be a plumber and then say you are endorsing a doctor. or don't answer somebody else's questions when 2 people are in a serious discussion. it's called sucking for others vehemently.

Note, I might apply to become the president of the united nations, freedom of speech department only.
@dig the loser: stop expressing so much of your opinions openly. DT cartels despise so much truth to be told, they already have so many excuses to tag you with. shut your potty mouth and go back in the shadows posting from the script every day and be happy. sucking to people often would be a good thing. you lonely virgin. OK I literally loled.

I'll do my part in reporting some posts in Politics & Society, but it is pretty difficult to decide what gets reported and what not.
Sticking with the obvious spam for now, but ideally, I'd also want to report some of the more 'gray-area' posts as well.

Just one example of what I see as a gray-area:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3142740.0 (how do we move on from something?)

I guess this might be a legit question, but on the other hand it's clearly very low effort. Should be in off-topic perhaps or just removed? I don't know.

I'd vote for it to go in the trash. It's just another one of those lazy one-liner threads attempting to masquerade as something meaningful, but it's so vague and pointless and the replies are equally so. I really think we should just make Politics and Society and Off topic like Serious Discussion and then these sorts of threads would stop because 99% of the threads in those two boards are only made for the activity/post count. In fact, I doubt we even really need Politics now we have got Serious Discussion.

To me, this is clearly just spam. He dropped a oneliner in a new thread, got 3 pages of replies, and hasn't posted anything anymore for almost a month.

I think it's less work to report the good threads there instead of the bad ones. Or, once the board gets an active moderator, it may need a total "reset": lock all threads, and start over from scratch. That gives the new Mod some breathing space, and if he keeps a short leash on new topics, the spammers may quickly realize all their posts get deleted.

If the current spam boards are gone, the spammers will spread out over the rest of the forum.

I would agree with him if we remove these threads it would become impossible to control the amount of spam, not only that i see people posting questions about bitcoin in the meta section i don't have the link because it obviously got removed

This should be applied to all sections which have active moderators i do see that nowadays on reporting something to the mods the response rate has increased i feel it would be more easier to start moderating threads from scratch as the current system surely isn't working

Getting back to the task at hand I will put up my thoughts on this so that anyone interested may have a little more information to judge my ability to mod.

I personally think this thread and replies are what Theymos is talking about when he says:

There doesn't seem to be any actual discussion taking place.  It has the lowest amount of effort possible to start a thread, OP is extremely vague "How do we move on from something".  Its easy for some hard for others.  Ok we got all the bases covered now!

The OP has not been back to the thread, none of the other posters have returned to discuss posts etc.  Only 2 or 3 posts were actual replies to other posts (which you might consider discussion) the rest were just quoting and or answering the OP over and over.

I just don't see anyone getting anything out of a thread like that, expect post count.  I don't see how removing a thread like that could be considered censoring free speech either as the OP doesn't have a point about "something" nor an opinion since he covered all his bases already.

These kinds of threads are the spam problem IMO, so I would trash can that thread (or at least lock it not sure which is better).  Leaving this type of thread open just allows more people to try to pad their post count and increase's the mods work load.  

This thread is nearly as bad as the Brexit situation. We've even got the argument about Fish. :)

Can't we just appoint Flying Hellfish and one other mod, and then we can get on with arguing about politics, instead of arguing about arguing about politics.

Always a pleasure, mister digaran; my wonderful jump buddy. If you will notice I have added quotation marks around "blindly", and this should indicate to you that it has some elasticity to it's true definition. I say blindly, because I referring directly to my ignorance of specifically LoyceV's stance on free speech. I give my endorsement because they, in my opinion formulated from my limited knowledge of only a few of those on the list, would be the best decision. theymos is looking for thoughts, so I gave my 2-cents, whether it is considered relevant or even read is up to them. I hope this gives you a clearer picture about where I'm at.

I say not applying, but interested, because there are those more qualified that should be considered and exhausted as options before I would consider applying. No sense in muddying the waters and taking up forum resources for my application/consideration when not even I think it is appropriate.


Oh sweet digaran, are you jealous? I am unsure if you are accusing me of sucking up or not, you'll have to be more clear. I was simply referencing my extremely limited knowledge about Vod having a run-in with BADecker, which resulted in a negative rating from Vod; Vod being a DT member this would seem to be their greatest enforcement of "official" power at this moment. I am wondering how this would translate, moving forward, if Vod were extended greater power of enforcement. I honestly would like elaboration around this topic from Vod, if possible. Since, that's what this thread is about, anyways.

You'll have to clue me in about the avatar and signature, because whatever you're getting at went over my head. Are you saying Vod is contradicting their belief in common sense, because of their avatar and signature? That one has me scratching my head.


I don't think that's how you use "vehemently", but I've been wrong before. I'm not a plumber, and moderators aren't doctors. Your analogy skills could use some work, brother. Which two people were in a serious discussion? You go off on tangents like a mad-man and your thought-process is pretty hard to follow.

For clarification though, I do believe LoyceV is imminently more qualified for the role of moderator. so in that regard I am "below" them; if we were ranking ourselves honestly, then I cannot see myself ranking above them. Your self-evaluation skills are pretty terrible, digaran, so I understand why it is tough for you to comprehend somebody being honest about their limitations and acknowledging another's talent.

This is an open-discussion about who is going to moderate a section that heavily revolves around free speech and everyone is qualified to voice their opinion.


As long as you can laugh at yourself. That's what really matters.

It does seem like you're either on a power-trip or trolling everyone you come across. I hope you don't actually consider yourself in the running for moderator.

This example is vague because "something" isn't really defined in the topic (so this I'd probably say is worth trashing), but as a slightly revised example, if the thread title was "How do we move on from breaking up with a girlfriend/boyfriend", would this then be acceptable?  

It would be hard to distinguish whether a forum member is actually posting about this or just picking some random thing a person would need to move on from. The threads I've looked through so far appear to be started for the intent of padding post counts (which I believe merit may be slowing down) but when theymos says "without hampering the free exchange of ideas", I'm not sure there would be any choice but to leave a thread like the one I've mentioned. The replies may be easier to scrutinize, especially when there is an extreme repetition of the same idea/thought repeated by various accounts... but then do you go with the first poster who had a particular idea as sort of a first-come-first-serve basis of ideas towards the thread topic?  Or do they get left as the N^th example of "Take some time after your break-up, meet new people, and enjoy who you have in life." <- which could be seen as useful idea to the OP... but when it is repeated multiple times in various ways, it becomes painful to the reader.

I'd say "it depends":
Yes, if it's an established member who's girlfriend recently broke up with him (face it, this is more likely than the other way around :D).
No, if it's a Newbie who is only posting in P&S and Off-topic to gain Activity.

One solution would be to deny new users access to those boards, but that'll move the spam to other boards. I do believe the majority of accounts that started by posting only in those boards will never contribute anything to the forum.

Completely agree and just wanted to add that the reason why I'm asking is because it almost seems like 90% of the threads there are like this. Ofc this is the reason Theymos started this thread in the first place.

Examples:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3315389.0 (President Trump Is More Smart Than Before - So What He Will Do Next ? )  --> Granted, this is actually on topic, but again very low effort. Though deleting this might be seen as censorship?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2976682.0 (Our Children Nowadays)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2829336.0 (Quit Facebook)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3310363.0 (WHAT IS THE RATIONALE BEHIND AFRICAN LEADERS WANTING TO RULE FOREVER)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2374499.0 (why are people suffering from jealousy ?)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2554765.0 (TIME MACHINE!)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2877389.0 (What to do when life purpose is lost?)

Might have been better to find out which topics are actually good, that list would have been shorter... Most of these topics are obviously from people who have a poor understanding of English, but where do you draw the line?

If it's poor english + generally low effort, it should be removed.

Low effort also means just copy pasting an article, even if they add the source. If there's no personal commentary in that case, should be removed.

I have heard it before, power means something different for me. I have no desire to make people cry or break their hearts by deleting their posts in bulk by removing topics or resetting the entire forum section. if there is a reset, I want to reset Bitcoin as well. just let me mine with my laptop for 24 hours first.
Resetting the entire section, looks easy, less work for a moderator. I apologize if I have acted like a stupid child, I haven't slept for 2 days.

Nobody even mentioned anything about my posted quotes and my ideas on how to deal with them, I have suggested a few methods of dealing with the garbage in that section. because I don't have any administration access to implement them (what I mean by that, you shouldn't necessarily ask for permission from theymos every time you are not sure about something, just don't make it any harder for him than it really is), I presented them (I don't know which method I should use, or use them in mixture. there has to be a time in which some of them are more productive ), though everything is not on the table yet. need to sleep and prepare my case tomorrow. I couldn't even use my source merits today, too many long posts on tech section and mostly from Legendary members.

Note, @theymos, you asked, I came. if you also need a DT moderator to care about the trust system I could act as an active measure (don't know what that means, I heard it on Homeland season 7 episode 8. lol). if I'm not qualified after presenting my full case, I will then prepare my next case for another section. thank you all for your unbiased inputs on my character. remember, ideas on moderation should be discussed, pointing out to me that I'm stupid will do me no good, if you really believe that I'm stupid, unfit and untrustworthy.

@Bill Gates, I used that other account to say those things for a reason. plausible deniability.
Note again, have you noticed 2 people are following the ~Cat like a tail? quoting Mother Teresa here like some people care.

EDIT in red above and the following:

I would suggest if any of you are serious about this job. at least make prepare 20-30 different users and different posts, not just the easy ones, try to pick on some of the high ranking members and their garbage posts as well. all I wanted was for the best to become a mod, not just a fish acting like a limp dick.

How many of them are duplicate or redundant topics on top of being questionable?

There is a 550+ page flat earth thread in OT (and I would guess 80% of it is redundant in itself LOL).  There is a ~7 page flat earth thread in P&S.  I even posted in the P&S thread advising to use the OT thread (as it's much bigger and funnier!) but still page after page of shit posts rack up in the P&S thread.  So it seems the logical thing to do is lock the P&S thread and encourage (with a link) anyone interested in talking about the topic to go to the Off Topic thread for further discussion.

Obviously this is one I know about and I am sure there are tons more so the mod in that section will need community support to be effective.

I personally have been talking to badecker on the '' evolution is a hoax '' thread for easily 40-50 pages and some of it might be redundant but I think is an acceptable conversation: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1917510.1940

That being said, in between our conversation there are plenty of similar low quality answers, I think you have been following that thread too so you know what I'm talking about. I probably should be reporting more posts there, that's true.

I do agree that there are plenty of threads, easily 80% that are just stupid and would fit better in off topic.

Did you guys pick a mod yet? I haven't read all the answers in this thread yet.

Ya I am definitely familiar with BADecker and that thread!  :D  My view on it is yes the in between posts need to be fixed those one liners replying only to the title of the thread, they gotta go.  But you and BD are putting effort into your posts and having a debate (if talking to a wall can be called a debate LOL).  Yes a lot of has been repeated but I don't believe for a second either of you are doing it for post count.

I don't have a problem with you guys.  BADecker and I are about as polar opposite as I can imagine but I haven't once seen him break a forum rule that I know of, so as far a I'm concerned he can say whatever he wants!   I also think he is one of the funniest users on the forum  ;)

Notbatman (as you know) is another controversial user. As vile and disgusting as he is I haven't seen him break any forum rules either.  I feel sorry for the dude, I think he has a mental illness (seriously) but he is allowed his opinion either way.

Anyways as far as I go I say keep these kinds of users talking, the entertainment value is through the roof!  They are literally the reason I go to those two boards!!!!!

No word yet that I saw.

I was wondering why alot of discussions about who will be the new Mod  since this user Flying Hellfish has 257 non bad reports even if you add all users reports ,he will still has more reports .He should be automaticaly the new mod .
 

Are you applying? I would vote for you.

I like to go to that board because I'm a political guy, but it really is just trash. Most posts sound like a 10 year beauty pageant contestants answering questions.

Like somebody else said, it should probably be limited to higher ranking level who are not just posting to build up posts.

Haha. Half of them probably are.

https://hips.hearstapps.com/cos.h-cdn.co/assets/cm/14/25/53a11120d4784_-_cos-01-lauren-de.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/0b/c1/50/0bc1504a1db7dcc73fe99b95ef6c660e.jpg

https://hips.hearstapps.com/cos.h-cdn.co/assets/cm/14/25/53a11122c7be1_-_cos-01-ezra-de.jpg

https://hips.hearstapps.com/cos.h-cdn.co/assets/cm/14/25/53a1111fca9b1_-_cos-01-allie-de.jpg?

The sad thing is is those answers are probably more articulate than your average P&S ones.

And they are comprehensible!  Whoop whoop!
10 year beauty pageant answer better than those posters in politics and society.

Oh, I'd say by a factor of 5 at least.

I vote for Flying Hellfish.  He's obviously level-headed and seems like he can do the job.  Meanwhile, digaran is following in the footsteps of mixan (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=195206) in having a very public prizefight with sanity.  And if you take a look at mixan's trust score, well...

Edit:  I'll be damned.  Looks like mixan logged in recently.  I wonder if the nutty person who earned all that negative feedback is still the one in control of the account.

@don Hillary. those girls in your post are good and useful for jumping purposes only. lol.

Angry pinoy. note about the level-headed. could you find the original post to read what it says after "I do believe in Jesus, I do"? that part edited out by level headed is the core of the lonely virgin's whole belief system. but it was censored, why?

Thanks by a factor of 0. master Pharmacist.

 Flying Hellfish is my choice too, as I said earlier, I'll give a hand in the cleaning of the section.

I do support the suggestion the section to be restricted for be for newbies or maybe not to generate activity ( or require some level of merit to generate activity, a way to filter the shitposters) since it is not directly related to Bitcoin/Altcoin.

Same rules should apply also for the Off topic section.

You'll say that all the shitposters will flood the Bitcoin/Altcoin sections, yeah this is true, but there are more active users ( not shitposters)  and they can do more  reports. It can be more work but it will be more control ( and more work for the moderators)

Based on being a level headed person? make everybody with more reports automatically a moderator. because that is what theymos asked. you are giving your view based on reports. otherwise you would've provided a reason to justify your vote.

I'm listing your names to remember how I should value your opinions in the future.

I would like actually to take a shot.

It is obvious, that my current rank is not anywhere near a respectable community member, yet I'm a very long-term user and reader. Also, my education (MS in Economics and minor ih the Political studies) is a good match.

@theymos, read latest posts of this user. they are not even using any decent username. dewynijhof is practically like a random push of a few keys.

http://www.auplod.com/u/pauldoa7739.png

I don't believe for a second this account to be not a farmed account. spending 15 minutes averagely in a day to earn a few dollars in a month to buy a house? investing on crypto and hope to earn enough money to buy a house and have a better life for his family? he said that his salary is just enough for his family to survive. do you think members like this one, are here with 1 account to earn money to support their families? I think they are here with more than 10 accounts. all of them start farming accounts by posting in P & S. they need their signatures disabled.



Mindset of people come to this forum. let people spam, they need money to support their families. wrong mindset.

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Deleting posts and trashing topics is not enough. stopping people from ranking up is not enough. they will continue and will post even more garbage, because they will have only low rank accounts and bounties pay small for low rank accounts. if you were posting with 20 Hero accounts before. now your friend has no other option other than posting with 100 Jr member accounts.

Let me disable their signatures while deleting their posts as well. let me start with obvious farmed accounts first and then reviewing post history of members posting low value, no-value garbage in P & S section. every section's mod doing that, we'll have no more garbage posts.

Note, I'm not against people trying to earn money here if they are posting with 2-3 accounts. it starts to hurt this forum when they are trying to milk this forum by more than 10 accounts. is there anybody here to spend time to achieve that? or you all want to get on with your lives, only having the perks of a moderator, not spending time dedicating your lives to your "job"? it's not even a job for you. how could you moderate hundreds of thousands of posts without spending time as a full job?

Removing topics with more than 40-50 pages achieves nothing, they will repeat doing the same thing. moderating in that section has nothing to do about one's education or political views. being a moderator means that you should delete totally garbage posts, any terrorist activity such as inviting people to join a specific group, organization to fight against whatever they believe is a cause worth fighting for. moving irrelevant topics. deleting off topic replies. I don't care if you worship the devil, just don't invite people to do the same by providing specific details such as posting links to websites asking people how and where to go and what to do in order to worship the devil.

If there are not much reporting from people in that section, it will be a difficult job to clean it. if you have somebody better than me. go for it. I'm disappointed to see there is no real competition. only an angry pinoy vouching for Bernie Sanders. we all know he wasn't going to be the president. or maybe Flying catfish is Trump?

People at least learn from Vod, he never replied here after he expressed his opinion about me. at least he is man enough to know the difference between bad and good in general. I'm begging you. learn from him. responsible member.
https://i.imgflip.com/28e7wo.jpg
I know I am arrogant, sue me.

Why are you now responding with an alt rather than your main account?

Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

Go make a difference.

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Having over 200 good reports isn't being serious enough?

It's also senseless to ask for posts by high-ranked members. Spam is spam, regardless of the origin. You'll find plenty of spammers that have high activity/rank. Moreover, the act of seeking out high-rank spamposts is not a key part of a moderator's duties.

That is against free speech and you are using biased opinions.

Delete, delete, delete.

About 4000 Dutch people have "Nijhof" as surname, and about 3000 Dutch people have "Dewy" as first name.
It's 17576 times less likely to hit "dewynijhof" at random than entering "digiran".

Why did you answer instead of him? I'm an alt admittedly. are you?
Would it make you happy if I sell my possessions and die of starvation while you guys hit alia and get money for doing nothing?
If I post a link to a website asking people to come to my house and let me do what I want to please the devil. a moderator deleting my post is against free speech? what do you know about religion? you are taking the side of somebody on behalf of somebody else. you would do that for everything else maybe?

You don't have the right to add a quote of Jesus and ask me to follow his advice because I believe him to be a prophet of God, but nobody is going to delete your post, we can just question your motivation, why did you answer instead of The Pharmacist?

Why did you alter the context of my question? did I ask to tell me about what Jesus said or did I ask to take a note about what Flying Hellfish did?
Miss actmyname 2018.

Thanks!  I've "thrown my hat in the ring" as they say.

Hey theymos,

Make a list from 2-3 years ago - most normal posters stopped visiting politics&society a long while ago.

And also good stuff you finally decided to get a dedicated mod for the sub...

Dude
1)  You know full well I don't have ANY way of censoring your posts on the forum.
2)  Snipping a quote is common place, not censoring and something I've seen you do many times.  BTW snipping quotes is actually considered common courtesy so we don't end up with long eyesore posts that require 5 mins to scroll through.  This actually affects some users ability to read posts.

He wont allow people to post specific details about worshiping the devil but I'm sure he would have no problem with religious nutjobs providing specific details on why and how they should believe in their god. This guy should not moderate anything at all.

I've been called "angry pinoy" before, and I had to look up what "pinoy" meant.  I assume people here know I'm not Filipino if they've read any of my past posts.  I don't get where that moniker comes from, but whatever. 

I'm not quite sure what digaran is shooting for here, but he's not likely to win the mod job....if that's what he wants.  It's hard to tell.

If you are not sure. if you don't have any evidence of me having no problem with "religious nutjobs" providing details etc. you are assuming something without any evidence. I wouldn't count on your vote.  especially not after voting yes for my competition.
Are you telling me that a mod should care what people are worshipping? I don't care. as long as they are not recruiting for ISIS. or inviting people to watch child pornography. or giving you the address of a girl and asking you to rape her and get paid money for it.

You didn't have the time to properly quote actmyname did you? look at the last part where you have added "Delete, delete, delete"
You are supporting somebody else. because? again there is no explanation. what you have against me is your assumption.


I like the part where you said: "whatever".  I'm shooting for some easy fishes here, isn't that obvious? it's not hard at all. forum is hiring a mod, I'm here to apply. if forum doesn't have enough money to pay. I will do whatever I can to help without any payment. just don't expect me to stop joking with my main account. and I will not forgive you if I find out that you were enslaving me whilst sharing forum's wealth among yourselves, sharing alia with each other knowing that I was in urgent need of mingling. I'm laughing now at myself. that means I'm delusional and unfit?

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Please don't expect me to provide examples on such a short notice. as I said it before, I am not going to delete posts as soon as I get a report. I would need to investigate user's profiles and their post history. I'm not like some people wishing to have a delete button to push a few times and then start building a cartel using my power to get rich fast.

EDIT: look at my mistake now, I didn't read carefully and attacked the user because I was stupid to not pay attention, I was in a hurry to defend my case. I'm sorry. but I didn't merit you because of that, I was just back reading the posts to see how big of an idiot I am. it was only a reaction because you were being unfair. I have made my mistake red.

You don't care? Really? Is that true?

Doesn't seem like it.

You have some serious prejudices regarding what people are or aren't worshipping. That doesn't seem very objective to me.

The fact that even theymos simply raising the topic of a mod turns into a shitstorm of this petty, petty namecalling speaks about the quality of discussions on this forum.

If I don't trust you, should I delete your post? should I care what you worship as a moderator as long as you are not breaking any of the rules of this forum?
You confused my point. there is a time when I'm talking about my own opinions and beliefs, and when I'm talking about as if I'm a moderator. if I'm a mod, I wouldn't care if you worship alia's slot. just don't post a picture of it without NSFW tag. don't confuse my personality with my objectivity.

It would be easier for me to visit that section and start reporting obvious garbage posts, don't wait for them. I will improve myself in the process of moderating, anybody claiming to know what is the best method of dealing with garbage posts and tries to stick to it, refuses to improve it. is a lier.

@Astargath please stop embarrassing yourself. I don't do merit exchange, so forgetting that you have merited me doesn't mean that I will never merit you.
@theymos, please ignore my first post in this topic, where I said that I should be a mod because I'm a source. it is stupid to ask that, it was a joke because in reputation section people said that I should act like a staff member. no I don't want any compensation for being a source, reading some posts is what I should do normally.

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Main reason for not reporting a lot of garbage posts. every time I did that, my own posts got deleted as a thank you.

I wouldn't give you to paint my walls in white.

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I would pick one of:
Fish guy, because he has impressive amount of non-bad reports.
Loyce, because he is very active in reporting plagiarism and probably other things.
Vod, he has tagged many users for spamming and c/p, probably would be better to allow him to remove such posts?

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Others, i don't know, Foxpup is not very active, otkrid70 was hacked, rickbig41 is global mod, shittara007 is yobit spammer - hit'n'run 20 posts in 1.5 hour and repeat every day, and as for me I don't even know how I end up on that list, I don't even read politics neither I remember reporting anything there.
To be honest last 11 reporters have less reported posts together than it is number in "top 20 reporters".

Why would that list be relevant in any which way?
If they have stopped visiting the sub and haven't reported a post within the last 3-months, then why would that matter?

The application thread for moderator on P&S become a debating session, I believe this was created to look for a mod?
Not to insult each other ?

Yes, imagine a world where people have opposing viewpoints and seek to resolve them through discussion. What a crazy world that would be. People become impassioned through their opinions and often this will manifest itself through exaggeration expression. People are not always going to like what other people have to say about them, but if we're going to have an honest discussion then we have to risk people feeling insulted; there is no other way.

This is not simply an application thread, but a thread where we discuss the prospects and share our opinions about them. theymos said it directly, but I'm not sure that you've read the OP.

It may have gone a little off topic in some regards, but I still think it's relevant to theymos who has to articulate an opinion on those who are applying. Some of the view points of the members "insulting" each other would have likely helped him in identifying a good mod who is going to try their best to not censor users whilst dealing with spam.

This is why ideally we would want someone who is very active in the section already as it appears there isn't a whole lot of reports and the moderator can't rely on them. Of course, once this section has a dedicated moderator this will likely change. Not only active in that section, but a user who is regular across the board and is online a fair amount to deal with any reports coming their way.

I know what the fish guy said in his post is not blasphemy. but if that post is reported following with similar posts but from other members and becomes a habit. if I'm a mod I will not just delete the posts of other members and give the fish guy a pass. I don't do favors.


Note that I'm not Christian, maybe forum is strict on hiring moderators based on their religions? but I'm not going to decide about what should and shouldn't be deleted based on my religious beliefs. I was giving the rest of my resume here. isn't that what people usually do when they are applying for a job? I'm not asking to give me 1000 Bitcoins and say that you all should trust me. but all you did was saying that I shouldn't be trusted as if a moderator couldn't be reported to the administration and be kicked out.

Low rank or high rank, blasphemy if reported by anybody or I see it myself, I should delete it.
If you worship alia, and I say that I wish to jump her, would you consider that as blasphemy?
When I point these examples out, why would you say I'm biased or I'm using biased opinions or that what I'd say is considered to be unacceptable everywhere and not just here?

What is wrong with following the rules and enforcing them?
I have reported some obvious cash grab attempts by newbies copy-pasting the usual script from other ICOs and then saying 1000 tokens= $5 buy now with discounts. what is the token? it's better than Bitcoin and Millions of merchants already accept our token. we have a buy back plan to buy them for 1000 tokens= $500 after selling %70 of the total supply. if you want to receive airdrop, you should advertise for us first and we will pay you after we have collected the money.

Sometimes they'd get deleted and sometimes I don't even check.
There is no difference here, don't copy-paste and don't repeat the same thing after 10 pages. you are not going to spend hours to read some of the pages and see if people are repeating exactly whatever is in the previous pages? like now I have to repeat myself. because you all think that I'm a worthless foreigner with radical beliefs.

Guys wake up, you even tried to have me removed as a merit source to put one of your own in my place. you bump a source application every few days like it's your right to be a source. you guys questioned theymos and blamed him for making me a source saying it was a mistake.

You can't keep the "power" for yourselves. you will soon become irrelevant to this community if you continue like this.
Answer my questions, why some of you wear your copper membership whilst being extremely counterproductive for this forum and community? why some of you are supporting somebody who is not in need of a full time job and admits to only moderate when he is online. he doesn't care for the people, he wants to delete their posts, they will post more garbage to get paid.

What he wants is playing by his book, refusing to question authorities, is not interested to play fair, doesn't want a moderator job without it's perks.

What I am offering is to have no perks, no power, no trust for money or business. I offered to work for free 2 or 3 hours a day and using my position for my own personal gains. those are my terms if you want me to work for free. after a few weeks you could kick me out if you are not satisfied. you could all monitor every move I make as a mod, and I want to be on DT1 so none of you could touch me.

Or pay less than you are paying other mods, don't give me any position in DT status. you could all monitor my work for a few weeks and then kick me out without payment if you are not satisfied. if you are satisfied then we all win. there is no loser in my scenario.

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Who do you think you are digirin? you are a terrorist helping your terrorist buddies and you want to paint my walls white? noway. GTFO we don't want to read your wall of text. we want only this one. not you. who cares what you are offering digiran. we don't like you man. let us proceed as we'd planned.

Where did this digaran come from? he looks like that guy from years back. look at his red trust. he was a scammer people note to my hint.
He is a nobody, he doesn't know how to suck. he is rude to jump in a business of ours. even if he is a good choice, we shouldn't let him to be a mod without pledging his loyalty to us.

I wonder why we should still keep that section as it is.

The only part that should be saved in my opinion would be the "Polictics" so either leave "Politics" alone or move it to the Ivory Tower and then try to moderate the so called society part which is a spam fest and it's still going to be one even with a moderator.

"Society" is just like "anything can fit in here"  ::)

There is
Electric Cars - The future ? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2862902.0)  in P&S and Will the electric car destroy the petrol car? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2238056.0) in Off-topic.

Where should discussions about electric cars go  ??? ???

To P & S. it is not just about the cars. it has everything to do with politics. global warming. oil reserves. big companies profits. what could be achieved for the world by using those cars etc.

In politics. All electric cars do is to export pollutin out of the cities and into the countryside. In the process there are more hrmful to the environment. It is very much a political decision designed to save the motor industry and provide governments with more control of personal transport.

Dammit, now electric cars have moved into Meta as well. :)

Serious comment- there are two aspects. The political control, and the technical development, and it may be that those should be on different boards.

Yeah, too bad the last pages on those topics are a bit short on touching those aspects.... :(


Which is exactly my point, we have a very serious discussion and probably a lot more in that area that are buried by useless posts, and mods can't do anything about those as I doubt somebody will start deleting two and three liners that bring nothing new to the discussion.

In my opinion that area can't be really cleaned by just nuking and locking threads, if we want to really save it I think the only solution would be the move it to the "Serious Discussion" or something like that.

It was just a joke, one expression which we use in my country when we think someone is not doing his job properly or they won't be able to do job properly - which means, I don't think you will be good moderator.
I am sorry if that insulted you, but terrorist? Now that is fucked.
I never called you terrorist, so how about stop putting words in my mouth?

Because this people have easily the experience to be mods and just didnt go there anymore because nobody was giving a fuck regarding moderation of the sub in the last 3 years.

I could get 1000 x 5 legit reports in 1 day in this trash can.

Ps:

No thanks i dont want to be mod.

Politics and Society section really is a trash site. It is maybe because there is no assigned Moderator(s) in that area before, until now. I don't actually visit that section too much but, if I only have enough knowledge to be a moderator. Why not? I will be proud to volunteer to myself to Moderate that trash site and clean all junks there. I know there is no benefit by volunteering in that section and it will be difficult but its worth it because it will clean up all the mess and will lessen all shitposts which will help the forum to improve. A responsible moderator is really necessary. For now, all I can do is to support whoever is willing to volunteer.

But from the list Sir theymos provided. I will vote any from these five.
1. LoyceV                     30%
2. Flying Hellfish         30%
3. Vod                           25%
4. Nullius                     10%
5. Iasenko                    5%

The percentage represents how much I would like to give my vote. All of them are responsible and trusted  members of this Forum.

I would also like to vote Sir rickbig41 but he's already a moderator in Philippines local board. Monitoring and moderating two section at a time is a little difficult (I guess). Also suggesting Sir Jet  ;D

He's also now a global moderator which I believe is a somewhat recent thing?


I'm not doubting you could get a 1000 reports each day or even more for that matter, but judging by the amount of reports which have been made no one is willing to do just that. Even if we were to add up the top 20 reporters in Politics and Society it wouldn't be anywhere close. Just because someone can doesn't mean they do or will.

Correct - people gave up reporting shitposts in that sub because nobody of the mods were actually cleaning up there.

I think most of them went way to easy based on the free speech and diversity of opinions idea.

If someone was willing to devote 8 hours to looking around P&S, I bet they could report 1000 posts and probably have a decent hit rate at that.  It would just take some time--the garbage is there; it just needs to be moved to the dumpster.  Having said that, I'm not certain Theymos even wants that or any other section emptied of content altogether.

I say that because of how Bitcoin Discussion is.  I'm pretty sure Hilariousandco would trashcan many posts in that section, but he doesn't, and I suspect that has more to do with what Theymos wants than what hilariousandco wants.  I don't know what the highest # of posts I've reported in a day, but it's probably close to 100--and that's in my spare time, without getting paid or even wanting to be a moderator.  1000 would be no problem to send to the can, IF you were allowed to.

I can confirm this to be true.
I went to P&S 2 days ago, spent half an hour there, did a 100 reports and got my reported accuracy from 97% to 100% (lol, guess rounding?  :D).

It's not a matter of who reported 7 or 247 posts, but who's willing to spend time there continually to clean it.
A 1000 reported posts would be easy peasy.

Now people are making sense. thank you. somebody right now is dealing with reports from that section, even though I said that I wont report them, how else could they know what is generally considered worthy of deletion by me?

EDIT: now they have locked some of the threads containing my post(s) to see what other excuses I could come up with for not reporting.

I don't know what he wants, but on both fronts it probably comes down to time and energy. I've wasted countless hours trashing threads in that board but it barely makes a dent and never will as long as there's shitposters getting paid to shitpost so you need to tackle the problem at its source first. Most of the threads in there are trash but deleting them just opens a rabbit hole and it would be a full time job for me or someone else to clean up that section adequately. One or two people can't win a war against thousands... thousands who are getting paid to make the junk so there needs to be change at the top for anything to be effective.

digaran just seems like a troll who can't speak English very well so his intent gets lost in translation. Either that or he's an idiot. Either way, I don't think he should be a mod for obvious reasons. Flying Hellfish would seem like the best choice so far. I think all sub boards should have two dedicated mods so maybe we should allocate another existing staff member as well (though rickjbig recently got made a Global mod so maybe he can help out there).

When will be selected the new mod/mods/? I guess it will take some time.

In the meantime can I entertain you with some examples of extreme shitposters accumulating activity there. They don't even try to post in English.. just a quick look>

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1978356;sa=showPosts
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1269323;sa=showPosts;start=160
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1702830;sa=showPosts;start=20
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1855652;sa=showPosts
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1989640;sa=showPosts

Only 5 here but I can go on..

It's the same situation in the  Economy / Economics section.

Hope theymos finds a good solution to all this because just a few Mods cannot beat this horde of shitposters even working on a full-time job.


Edited: I'm not immune to typos, sorry.

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You didn't notice the  #PunIntended, right?

Thanks for the suggestion, but I'm too radical and politically incorrect to be a mod there.

I've also got too many people on ignore to moderate anything other than my temper. :)

While I have not been reporting on the politics & society section, I have been reporting crap posts off lately, most actively on the services section. I was inactive for the last two and a half weeks due to health and electrical reasons and I'm more than willing to take up the responsibility to moderate this (or any other section).

If this post has a monthly recurring pay associated with it, I do not want it for the first month, I would let others judge me by my work.

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And you may also ban yourself on the odd chance that you ever piss yourself off.

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Fool, its not TheyMost, its THEYMUST find a good mod. #PunIntended

I think iasenko is referring to Sir theymos. Because if it really is TheyMust, then what is the subject of "they must" in this sentence? What particular subject he is referring to?
So does it means iasenko is referring to some kind of organisation or what? Because of the word "they".
Which I think is Sir "theymos's" name :)


By the way. If no one really wants to Moderate society and politics section without any exchange, Please don't laugh but I would like to volunteer  :) . I think I can handle those shitposters by myself. But, please give me some advice what to do first as I'm not really good at this. But I can assure you guys that I can manage to monitor and delete spam posts in that section. I'm not visiting that section too much as I'm not interested on it but if by chance that I became a moderator for that section, I will pay my attention and focus for that section.  I know that some of you will (of course) somehow help me if I'm entitled to that moderating job. Support is all I need.

I know it will be a difficult job but, I will try my best. I'm serious. Its better to have me as a temporary Moderator (temporary because, please test me first for just a week if my moderating skills can improve something to that section) for that section than no one moderates it if no one really is interested to volunteer as a Moderator.
Please don't laugh at me. Instead leave some feedback about your thoughts in my idea.
So what do you think guys? :) I know some of you will say that I'm also a shitposter for sure.
I'm willing to take the job even without any good benefits for myself. :)

Please let me know your feedbacks first. Oh my, Silent26's running crazy.  :D

Before you dabble in handling shitposters, understand what is implied when someone says #PunIntended. Its a wordplay on Theymos' name.

Translation: now that digaran made the rest of the cartel to stop acting like the members of the cartel, it's time for me to step up and voice my concern. Because everybody knows how neutral I am.

Translation part 2: forum should pay a full time job salary to whomever I vote for obvious reasons.

Translation part 3: forum is our playing field, we should keep it that way.

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What you should have said (only a suggestion): As a global moderator and forum staff, I would like to voice my concerns. digaran is incompetent because he is not good at speaking english even though I can understand him. but forum has to hire a native english speaker. we don't want to cause any confusions in the future. he might delete some of the posts because of poor understanding of the language. this is alone a very good reason.

I'd also like to ask our dear friend Flying Hellfish to apply for a full time job and becomes the new moderator. theymos should pay him a full time job's salary and Flying Hellfish must work a full time job and if there is any need for another moderator, again digaran is not a good candidate period. we need to pay one of the staff members, an already experienced staff member to do the work. thanks before and after and in between.

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What I can get from your post: digiron man, simply put. we don't like you man, why would you insist on this? let us pay a full time job's salary to Flying Hellfish. he might not work a full time, but it's not something you should concern yourself with. he is an american citizen and that is enough.

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What other people see: they don't see different individuals voicing their concerns about me and supporting a good candidate, they see a group, a cartel saying the same thing to achieve the same result.
What you and other members of your cartel are saying here, is like one person posting with different accounts. you are not all one person but your end goal is the same. you are motivated to achieve one goal.

A neutral forum moderator should say: either Flying Hellfish applies for a full time job or we should wait and see if anybody else applies. this community deserves better.
Alia honey, where are you? I need a recharge sweety, come to papa.

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A neutral global moderator deserves such a recharge. otherwise he could lose his own job to hungry volunteers.
An idiot troll with a potty mouth is the result of the same freedom of speech granted to us by theymos. if a 5 years old kid could understand this post. mission accomplished. if I could contribute anything to this community no matter how small and insignificant. mission accomplished. if I am making more enemies for myself for nothing. it's nothing for many but for me is expressing my opinions no matter who you are or what you can do to me.

You want more obvious reasons? if there was any obvious reasons. why would you all feel threatened? you either think I could really become a mod or you think theymos doesn't know what is best and needs a reminder such as "obvious reasons". thank you for your vote. conclusion is obvious reasons plus idiot troll.

Given the OP I don't think Theymos would even want somebody politically correct to be a mod here.

Well, I see, my apologies Sir.
So does it means that I failed the very first test to be eligible as a Moderator?  :'(

Yeah, I'm sorry.

Based on Sir theymos's suggested members. Looks like they are based on how much time they often visit society and politics section. Of course, obviously, the more "reported members"  you have means the more time you spend visiting that section.

How can you not know? you are here for years and don't know what he wants? theymos wants to help people. he also wants people to help him. he wants to create opportunities for even Millions of people to earn money and improve their lives. he is trying to make major changes by supporting Bitcoin. he is also trying to motivate forum members to improve the quality of discussions. he wants to give people a chance for a better life.

People don't care, they don't get it. they would keep farming accounts and posting garbage. this is what they can do. nobody would help them not even their own governments. they would see no difference here, everybody trying to take and stay on top. when they see there is no justice, they would think
It's better to earn as much as they can before it's too late.

What theymos wants, is loyalty. he wants to trust people to work towards the same goal, not to build cartels and take control of everything. not to betray his trust. he wants more people like himself in charge. to do what he would do. all he has so far is power hungry people. garbage posters are posting garbage and people of authority are using their positions for their own benefits.

Is that what the forum has been brought down to? A money-earning site? Makes it no better than a PTC programme.

The former is true. The latter is dubious and irrelevant.

That's true. It's easy for them to farm accounts and lay waste to the forum.

Account farmers would be around whether there's "justice" or not. I'm not sure what you're trying to say in regards to that, either.

List examples of the power-hungry people. We already know there are spammers.

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In this post you seem to do a lot of ass-kissing. Why? You're putting theymos on such a high pedestal. It's embarrassingly creepy.

You were inactive for more than 15 days just like Flying Hellfish, he logged in after master theymos posted this topic. you applied for the signature campaign. you are hungry as well.
Reason for not having you as a mod: you could disappear for weeks and have no way of communication. while I could login with my phone.
You are also asking if this post has any recurring payment, you should know that people usually wouldn't ask you to do something as difficult as moderating a section with thousands of garbage posts for free. you also didn't offer anything to compete with other applicants. maybe you thought that you are better or they don't have any chance?
Your first post here was to suck for people. SIR Silent26 the second. you don't have anything really useful to add to this topic. you'd suck and then ask for a job. throwing your hat to try your luck. it's not the usual bounty campaign we all are used to. this is not the place to keep saying Sir. you are not confident enough to give yourself any credit. why did you vote only for 5 people on the OP? you would ignore some people and would favour a few if you were a mod. if you really like to volunteer, start reporting garbage posts in Bitcoin discussion section.

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Who reduced my report accuracy to 96% from %97? they were all repeating previous posts on previous pages, if you don't have the time to read my reports and check my previous reports to see the reason for reporting. don't take it on me please.

On the alt again?

Not posting ≠ inactive!

See above—just because they weren't posting doesn't mean they weren't reporting.

Are you sure? I mean, a lot of forums have volunteer moderators. This one included.

Why are you taking this so seriously? Jesus.

Reasons for my 'disappearance' for the last 15 or so odd number of days has been pretty well documented on the forum, even when I couldn't log in, I had my friends come in here & post for me.

Just because you can log in with your phone with a weak password, does not mean I would do the same. I am not an idiot to save my Bitcointalk password on my phone and neither am I a savant who could memorize a randomly generated string of 30+ characters.


Wrong, I assumed there could be a payment involved, I did not assume that there wasn't. Check your facts.


Offcourse I think the cluster of molecules that make me up are better at being molecules than the rest of the 'applicants' here. That's what I think and I am not answerable to you for it.


PS: If I were a flying hellfish, I'd be body slamming your face right now.

PPS: Maybe @Silent26 sucks, but could you stop sucking up to Theymos by calling him master?




Maybe because he IS Jesus and just tired & grumpy because people keep calling him Hesoos.

It has been brought down to be a playing field for cartels. you are one of the members of one of the cartels. and this forum shouldn't be a place for people to earn money by participating in bounty campaigns with multiple accounts. if they use only one account and also contribute, why not? I meant it that way.


Don't you know? it's theymos. embarrassingly creepy is wearing the copper membership tag as a legendary member. why? show me somebody like him, I will kiss their asses too. if you could turn everything you touch in to gold, I will kiss your ass as well. if something doesn't turn in to gold, he should ask why and find the reason himself. if I tell you the reason, you'd make fun of me and would call me a backward thinking terrorist.
My master actmyname.

First of all, I'm not suckin anyone. It is my opinion and my suggestion.
Yes, you were right, I'm trying my luck. As Sir theymos said
So it means anyone is permitted to post their application as long as they are interested. And that's the reason why I posted here trying my luck, because I'm interested.

Please don't stop me to do things on how I respect others. If you hate calling somebody Sir/Ma'am then you are free to call them whatever you want.

Master huh? Interesting..
I vote those 5 members because they are the top 5 members I knew who were capable of moderating the society and politics section. But as we can see in their feedbacks, looks like they're not interested at all that's why I decided to volunteer myself :)
Yes you were also right, I don't have enough knowledge to be a moderator but, I would like to use this opportunity to learn more. I know that I won't fit to be a mod at first but as long as I learn,  I will be fit for the job for sure.

But don't worry Sir, if you think that I'm not really eligible to be a mod. Then I will stop barking around :)
By the way thank you for your feedback.

The second? What do you mean? Having a CAPITALISED "SIR" before my username makes me think that looks like you're addressing me with something.

I mean I could waste a lot of time responding to Digaran and I did respond to him at the beginning a couple of times.  In reality anything I could write about him would only ever be half as good as just letting him runaway with his imagination and his own post button!!!  ;)

I actually find a bunch of his insults funny, my favourite so far has to be being called a "limp dick acting like a fish".  I mean i laughed, its the interwebz I'm not offended by any of it!  I do have to remind myself of that from time to time and this thread was just such an occasion.

Keep em coming Diga I love to read your posts in this thread!


Signed,
Limp dick acting like a fish

Damn I thought "flying hellfish" was actually some kind of fish and he was trying to insult me by calling me a flying hellfish.
Nice to meet you Mr L.D.A.L.A.F  ;D ;D
I am Captain Squat-a-lot.

What cartels? ???

Maybe when you're trying to use analogies you want to explain the metaphors.

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But the problem is when they don't contribute. When they spam. And I don't think the primary focus should be to earn money. It's disingenuous.

And? Ass-kissing doesn't help your "application".

Why? I paid for the membership to support the forum. I should be allowed to show it.

To avoid double posting. master don't tag that idiot. he's harmless.


Not as many detectives. they have enough money, spending their time on moderating the forum for free would be a contribution. how many of them are here trying to volunteer?


It is literally a life changing opportunity for me. I could keep my possessions and become a mod to have a better chance at helping other people. I'm following what Jesus asked, I'm trying to do better than that. in my country there is a charity programme. you could pay $10 monthly to adopt an orphan without having them to live with you. there is a chance for me to adopt a few of them and watch them grow. inspired by humble Joe.


What I did was to show you that I'm not afraid of using profanity. I was also saying that a moderator should be polite and respect everybody equally. this is the interwebz and anybody could read our posts. I would use the same language anywhere as long as it's appropriate. I wouldn't use profanity if I was a mod. me personally.


Not my decision. I did give my reasons. as an applicant and a forum member.


You doubted yourself and then gave your reasons. responsible and trusted is not good enough. if you know that you don't have a chance and apply, you are a selfish individual. king Silent26 the third. lol.

Double posting? As in, posting twice in a row? You do know that rule persists across all accounts, right?

A number of users that have done well for the forum without having been paid: Vod, Timelord2067, NLNico

Go learn some skills that can be applied online. Then work remotely and use that money to help the orphans.

Maybe he was LOL, who the hell knows!  He is a little hard to follow sometimes!!!   ;D

Just because you are mad at the negative trust does not mean that you can stumble into these threads and derail the conversation.

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Theymos, have you come to a decision about the moderator you're picking?

World without a leader?

Post #300

How many times do you think people have repeated the quotes above? tell me if they're not first gut reaction.

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Is that the reason you would tag people? so that they could go learn some skills to earn money? if I go, what would you do? earn money, share alia and keep looking down on people. I wouldn't go now that you told me to.


Avoid showing my signature in a row. I meant that.


So? if they are not earning any money here by spending their time, they don't need the money, I do.

But here's the thing: I usually don't understand fully what you're trying to say at all and your genuine intent is lost in a load of incoherent waffle. You also seem to like to put words in people's mouths.


He's not my friend and I don't believe I've ever had interactions with him before. I wouldn't have suggested him at all had I not seen the table of reports but all I care about is someone who has displayed that they are willing to put in the work and would do a good job gets the position. You seem to be overly preoccupied with payment and this is the wrong way to look at it and is probably all that you care about at that end of the day. Whoever moderates that section will get a max payment of around $500 so nobody is going to be getting a 'full time salary' whoever gets it.


No, this is what you and your biases and paranoia see because you're seeing something that isn't there. Most people who can look at this objectively would see that he's a far better candidate than you for several reasons. The fact that he has reported the most posts in that section is the most obvious indicator. You seemingly haven't even reported a single post in there prior to this thread so why would you be qualified? And as I said before, you also come across like a troll and I don't think we should be having a troll on Staff.



Yeah, you have freedom of speech but that doesn't mean you should act like an arse. And you could have contributed in reports. That is the biggest factor staff look at when choosing mods. If you're not willing to put in the work reporting there we shouldn't just be giving the position out based on people who say they'll do a good job as long as they get paid for it.



Again, more paranoia. The only person who likely feels threatened here is you. This is a discussion about who should be a best fit to moderate Politics and that's what we're discussing. I guess you just don't like the way it's going and are getting irate because there's money on the line for you.


How can you know what he wants? You just seem to be making things up based on what you think he wants. If theymos wanted something he would ask or tell me. If he doesn't then I don't know what he really wants other than to assume to let things continue as they are until further notice.


Sources?

Showing signs of entitlement isn't really the best way to go about this. If you aren't willing to put in the effort of clarifying why you are reporting and given a detailed description and reference any past reports then you can't expect the moderators to either. 


There we have it boys and girls theymos is the second coming of our Saviour Satoshi Nakamoto Jesus Christ. Although, I would prefer if his touch would turn spam posts into good content, but I guess we can't have everything.

By the way, the only argument you could probably make about buying copper membership when you are already of sufficient rank other than supporting the forum is that someone seeks status and likes to 'show off'. I wouldn't say it's embarrassing.

Don't you just hate it when forum staff have a personal vendetta against you? Honestly, they have better things to do.

Forum staff aren't employees that you keep implying they are. They don't need to be on good behavior and show the "customer is always right" and they aren't governed by strict policies on how to deal with certain scenarios or how much time they need to spend on the forum. What you do expect from them is a level head when moderating and to show as little bias as possible when moderating. They can show as much bias as they want if it's not related to their role as a member of staff and they can have less popular opinions. This isn't a job application rather it's a position which is available to those who can give up their spare time in order to better the forum.

I get it you like a debate, but hilariousandco was referring to moderation and from what I can gather from past moderators is there isn't a policy rather guidelines which the moderators can follow but, ultimately they use their discretion when handling forum issues.

You could argue that the only goal theymos has for the forum is providing a platform for people to have discussions about Bitcoin & cryptocurrency without censorship as evidenced by him taking up the role of admin and showing a desire to work towards these goals through fair moderation.


Well, theymos did actually ask everyone to discuss those who apply here.

I was going to read every single post in every single thread one by one and day after another. not to wait for the reports.
All I wanted was for something more than one obvious candidate just because of the reported posts.
I wouldn't want to report in any section without a dedicated mod. it's not your job as a global mod to handle those reports.
But hey, if you let me to continue, I could bring it down to having a free mod not just for P & S but for the whole forum.
Thank you for your honest opinion. I have no objection.

It's evident that FlyingHellfish is the most appropriate for the job. It shows in the reports and to have that many reports just in that sub forum is quite impressive. I don't think Vod has enough time to commit to become a moderator and doubt he would be willing to ignore scams from the point of view of a moderator.

A child like you should not be given any responsibility, any chance of you being entrusted with anything on this forum, is now slimmer than none. Just look at the utter BS that you have pooped out here derailing the whole thread from what it was intended to be.

And now, you've earned your rightful place in my ignore list. Good luck.

So can we have some sort of official voting, not a poll, about this instead of dragging this thread any longer? I vote for hellfish just like most people did and I think at this point, theymos should pick him as he is willing to do it.

I'm sure theymos will take into consideration several factors but a poll for these sort of things would largely be useless. It would just turn into a popularity contest and the person with the most alts or "friends" would win. In addition to a moderator I think he should seriously consider discounting posts in that section because otherwise there's just going to be too much workload. Without changes people will just continue to abuse that board day after day with shitposts but if there's no benefit to them most will stop posting rubbish in there.

Is this you or one of your friends? because you don't know what I meant by that. I started it by saying $1000 and hilariousetc brought it down to $500. you or one of your friends could have agreed to just $250 and if we could keep going, somebody could've offered some money just to let them moderate for this forum. put me on your ignore list. remember to tell this to your friends posting on your behalf. it explains the sudden change in attitude. even account farmers are voting for Flying Hellfish.

And now, turning your account to the other legendster to work for the next shift. good luck.

Regardless of who gets chosen as mod, I think the staff should start by sticking a thread with local board rules. The forum rules as a whole are already tucked away in Meta and probably not read by many. In total the thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0) has less than 400,000 views, indicating a maximum of 20% of the forum membership could have possibly read them. This is a conservative figure, since it doesn't account for guests and repeat views. How can people be expected to follow the rules if they don't even know what they are?

Flying Hellfish is the new Politics & Society mod. Thanks for your comments, everyone!

Now let's get to work on solving all of the political issues of the world through what I'm sure will be 100% sane, reasonable discussion going forward.

Thanks theymos and everyone else that thought I might make a good choice!

Looks like I have some reading to do and then get on to business!

Let the debates rage on!

Awesome, glad you won out, FlyingHellfish.  You have a monumental task ahead of you, and I hope you whip that utterly degenerated section of bitcointalk into shape with the business end of a Castlevania-type flame whip or something.  Can't say I'm ever going to visit P&S to see how it's going, so best of luck to you.

For what it's worth, I think you were pretty much the only rational choice.

Haha, thanks man!  As one of my personal heroes and immortal legend Homer Simpson once put it "default the two sweetest words in the English language"!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhvIISDoarU

I have no complaints about that choice. Congratulations Flying Hellfish, hope you clean things up a bit around here. I hadn't heard of this user prior to this thread, so it seems I'm an uninformed voter. :o


I can't imagine it would happen any other way. Sane and reasonable is the only way our community knows how to have discussions, after all.

theymos, is it you trolling us on the digaran account? You sly dog.

Congrats!!!

Don't forget to visit your hairstylist/barber, and shave your beard before moderating that section... ;D

Again congratulations!!!

Congrats!!
The next step is mod for the Economics section.

I hope that you're allowed to unleash hell on that section, because that is definitely necessary. Congratulations.

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No comment on the drama.

https://i.imgur.com/H7V6hkL.png
 ::)

Yesterday I was at some point ready to explode on him before calming down and quitting after seeing Flying Hellfish was chosen as a mod.
Good luck FH :)

Go do some body slamming on them faces like a true Flying Hellfish.  ;D 8) Wp GG

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And to that idiot diagram or whatever his I'd is.. well you're just dumb, I was going to put you on my ignore list then I forgot. Anyways, your stupidity and lack of comprehending a simple sentence gives me all the more reason to not forget it this time.

Good choice. now we know that whoever has the most reports, has the chance to become a mod. if any of you wants to become a mod, start reporting.
I also have no complaints about the choice like Bill Gates. time for hungry forum members to get to work and start competing for the next mod position.

Thanks before.

Welcome to the club flying hellfish

Congratz and dont be trigger happy!  :P

I'm only seeing it now, but I'm surprised how accurate I was with what I said. The only difference is that the post here are shorter than their answers.

Congrats man Flying  ;D You are a great choice. I hope you fly the spammers out of that section into Hell!

Seriously, I quite agree with you on that.

It appears the Politics & Society section is again without a moderator. The P&S section has attracted more interest as of late, and it is only a matter of time before its readability declines. There are not a lot of posts needing reporting now, however, there are one or two threads that probably should be split up, such as the Biden is the President (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5311122.0) thread.

In light of the above, would the administration consider adding a moderator to P&S?

Bump.

I noticed Xal0lex now become a moderator in Politics & Society section, I guess because the administrator heard about this complaint is Politics and Society board turning into a lowkey Off-topic board? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5467760.0)

So it seems the forum don't need a new moderator, but the current moderator will need to work more harder. :D

https://imgvb.com/images/2023/10/01/87abceee45cae62203bf3d6a0472f5d1.gif

OMG, lol I feel so ashamed when reading my old posts for arguing needlessly. But thanks for bumping this topic, I had a good laugh reading  the memes above, as they say beauty and wisdom don't come together for all, girls above are the evidence.🤣