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When price drops over and over everybody thinks that is bad and their invesment is going to loose or they already in loose. Generally this causes loosing hope to that coin, and people generally sell and exit from market.This maybe great for manipulators because they want to control market. right now there is a resistance to manipulators and this causes manipulators to gain less. they earn with volatility and it is decreasing as you can see in yearly graph. so best option for manips is reducing volume so that they gain more control. And for to reduce volume they create hopelessness by lowering price. When you see price is going well to high points you feel better but they cut your dreams with a steep fall like just a few days ago. investors sells or waits that cause reduced volume. And when the volume decreases they can ride the price easily.

I think the 'manipulators' are less frightening than some of you might think. It's probably safe to say that the spot market has become nothing more than a tool to boost their leveraged trades on platforms such as BitMex. Back in the days it was more like them accumulating plenty of coins, pump the market, then dump at others. Right now it's more like them solely resetting the spot market to levels within a safe range.

There doesn't seem to be much desire for them to tank the market to insanely lower levels for maximum profits (at least for now). If they are in for a wild ride, they'll just increase their leverage multipliers and reset the spot market to levels at which their gains are satisfying enough. As long there is enough respect for $5800 people should not worry.

Exchanges globally should put some effort into finding out who and what is contributing to these obvious price resets. As long as that doesn't happen, whales will continue to have free game.

yes you are right about your idea of these manipulators if there is, but at some point they believe in the future of cryptocurrencies that is why they keep on coming back as soon as the price drops and volumes thins

all this can be called trading psychology. If the mood in the market is upward, ie bulls manage the market, more and more people want to go at this moment. They assume that the growth will be even higher. But so do all the people in addition to large investors.
Investors choose the time and price in the market, when there was a collapse, when the mood of all holders is bad. Investors are waiting for the moment when many will lower prices almost to the bottom. Big investors are waiting for panic. Panic in the market is the best time for an investor.

it's just supply and demand. what makes you think "manipulators" have the ability to regularly move the spot market to their whims? markets trade in a range the vast majority of the time---that's true of all markets, not just bitcoin. these "resets" are happening in both directions because that's what happens in a range---there's no momentum in either direction to cause a breakout.

a large holder might iceberg large sells at resistance, but whether or not a top actually forms there is really just up to the market. plenty of whales have been slaughtered mercilessly by this market, especially in the older days. having a bunch of coins doesn't mean whales knows shit about trading. for some reason, people just assume these people are profitable and remain whales. they aren't and don't. they're not much different than the 80% of traders that lose money.

Yes, manupulators are less frightening than those people that always dump when they see they are lossing. If we can ride what these manipulators do, then we could also ride the benefits they get. Example when they let the market drop, then all we need to do is buy coins and hold until these manipulators make it rise again. All these is possible only if there is real manipulators.

Manipulators are obviously looking for how they can make quick from the market, so they throw up certain things that are capable of making one indecisive.


This is basically the general situation in business and that is why there are cacus and insiders who give and withhold information from general public because information is power.  They can also hold back some quantity of goods to create artificial scarcity.

There are rumors about manipulations on prices even on exchange platform there are speculations too, i guess those are true then. It's hard to really compensate when it comes to that because whales really are all the beneficiary and that's give them a whole lot of profits when they manipulate price so that they can gain from it. They can set low prices and spread FUDS to easily bait to the price and when they succeed they can sell high prices and dumped all. Sad but true, its commonly cycled as daily basis.

I believe this is exactly what is happening and why prices are so low and the action is so gut wrenching to holders.  They are trying every psychological trick in the book to get you to sell.  They may whip saw us around a bit as well.  May be able to trade it short term. 

I recently watched the series Billions. ((I recommend everyone to watch) And there was one thought of manipulation on the stock exchange. They could go to jail for that. But this applies to the exchange, but not cryptocurrency. But I am sure that soon there will be a body that will control the movement of sharp fluctuations up or down. This is a manipulation of whales that aim to make money.

They indeed happen in both directions, but I recommend you to closely follow the correlation with platforms as BitMex and Bitfinex to see how all these resets aren't happening naturally, but are planned and leveraged. It all happens within the trend and there is no reason to cause a breakout. It's just a way to maximize profits while the market is going down anyway, that's it.

I'm talking about current market and not the older days. There is no point in denying that without the mass affecting the market, it has become pretty predictable, and that's exactly what the "manipulators" I referred to are exploiting. If you lose in current market, you're not doing well as whale.

Right now we're in the process of working towards another lower high, which will end up peaking somewhere around $6800-$6900 (don't think it will exceed $7000). The same calculated resets will yet again occur and be leveraged to the maximum, keep an eye out.

Manipulators wants the market price to drop so they can invest a huge amount while the price is low and take advantage of the current situation, everyone wants to earn profit and that is the reason they are creating fake news.

I am agree with your opinion regarding the control of weak markets with using liquidity gaps on trading depth on main entry-exit levels. Pro level traders can use this knowledge and known techniques for their own benefit, planctons goes with flow as a victim of this hunting activity. Mainstream serves this consequences for making more panic environment, this action turns to blood bath as a market sell orders.

The only one thing which I saw when the Manipulators control the market is none other than " Profit " no else. Then, the no. 1 get affect by it are those traders who are ordinary dong trade to make profit as much as they can even for a small average percentage of it. But for the veterans/experts it is a good opportunity for them to buy a huge of it.

They totally not just controlling the price just in one market, but made it in 2 - 4 best market at one time i think. 1 market as bait while 2 of them is just following the first. Especially those 3 markets was can be used with the bots. And also they take advantages from the news, FUD works well.

True. All this manipulations  boils down to "Profit". Greed  for great profit motivates  this manipulators causing small traders to bankcrupt  if you are not aware.  Better to study the movement, education is the key to combat this manipulators.

Manipulators what to have huge profit, and that is why they continue to manipulate tha market so they can buy cheaper coins. I just don’t understand why they greed too much for the money, while in fact they already owns a lot. Why not let poors to have good profit also instead of making them panic.

never losing out our hoping even the price is downs. There will be a great day of our investing and we can get much return of our money as long as we s=want to wait and be patient with the market. market down mean it prepare for netter future.

I will try to think positively, I hope manipulators reduce asset prices aiming to get small investors like me and after getting small investors at the lowest prices the manipulators raise prices.

I don't know much, maybe most manipulators only do their activities only for personal gain, but the good of other manipulators helps raise prices

I think they also want to keep prices of the projects that they find promising low.
So that they can buy more and buy a lot. 2, 3 years later they will sell and make millions.

I think all trader and investor are manipulators.  Yeah all of us actually are manipulators but with different level.

One of the major aims of manipulators is to ensures that price drops and thus buy massively at low all these is done to achieve their personal gain and profits to the detriment of other hodlers, and this had been discouraging potential investors due to the uncertainty of the market and instability of the price at the of  manipulation.

we are getting fooled by this manipulators and stuff about them, if we are to study more about the trend in the past week, the graphs are jumping up and down like crazy, what if there was no manipulators, what if the manipulators that we are talking about is us, remember, we are graph-based, what we see in the graph are the movement done by the very trader or user ourselves. this manipulating thingy adds up to the trend that creates panic and mass selling among other traders.

If hodler not panic with negatives news and fake news, i am believe manipulator can not do anything. Manipulator can be success on their work if hodler panic and selling their coin with cheap price. They just want buying crypto with cheaper price and after that they will make big profits from it

manipulator always trying hard to make all people panic, especially new investor that did not understand market cylce.their purpose to do this  was only to get cheapest price as they can.

I think the manipulator want to make a price pattern to confused people that it is its trend then suddenly if they will find the right time then maybe it would give a huge surprise for them.

Of course money. They want that they could earn money the way exactly as you have said. I just don't know how these things could happen because if you are going to look at how the market is really going up or down matters. People unlike before are now so hesitant to go on investing maybe they have matured enough in terms of investing and this could be seen by the way market falls so hard as of now.

Some sources claim that sharks are manipulating the bitcoin market as well as cryptocurrency and that someone has had a big impact on the bitcoin market.

Pretty much true and these manipulators are no one but the private investors to whom we also call as big whales. They mostly have the volume in their control because they have huge loads of coins or either money in their pocket and both of these can be used to drive the market in the right direction for their own benefits. When we see their benefit then its the general investors who get robbed in reality. For example, whales might just dump huge load and thus lower the values of the currency and in turn it may happen that you will sell your last dime in the hope that you will recover your losses but at the same time a whale is happy person who thinks he is buying at cheapest rates. This is how everything here works.

I don't think so, you can search about manipulator correctly.

Manipulator has a lot of money in their wallet, so as if they decide to buy or sell and then will affected to market state.

Unlikely, if a trader who have a little money and then what they have done won't affect to market state.

This is one of the truths. Most of these whales just want to buy and let people panic sell. Such a great policy of capitalism we have indeed, even here in crypto market. How can we really avoid these kind of things when even the Top 1 Coin on CoinMarketCap is being manipulated to manipulate all other coins? I would really not like this thing but they say that are just 'regular occurences' but I don't think its a 'regular' coincidence for this year.

Of course they want to make a profit. If they have enough crypto coins to provide it, they are moving. If you have enough coins in your hand, you can manipulate its price. It would be great if there were some news.

profit is their main goal, with the coins you have, you can manipulate prices, as you say, reading a lot of news will be better, because you will know where the market is bad and good

Well, that depends on how smart the smaller investors are, but as crazy as it sounds, small investors are always the ones who panic easily rather than buying the dips, and then when the market is in a state where it keeps going up, they start buying instead and joining FOMO in the process. The market is highly speculative and there is no doubt about that, which would always make it easy for the manipulators, but it is always better to know that irrespective of these manipulations, the future is still intact and that is what you should be placing your focus on.

Making traders feel uncertainty is the essence at which the manipulation comes into play in the first place. More like trying to scare away the weak hands in the market to dump so they can buy a whole lot lower, or at the same time, trying to instigate FOMO so that some greedy investors who want to get rich overnight will hop into the front of the moving train and then squash their hope.

All is about the whales making profit over emotions in the market and with the crypto market that is decentralized, it just make that seems so easy.

I have watch some altcoins order books which I trade, It makes me scared and at times will have to spend 3 hrs monitoring the market. They will bring on a fake sell order for you to think the market is going to dump real bad, immediately you sell out of fear for the hope of buying high, boom that is it, the market pumps. Other times, they set fake buy orders in several prices and one will think, wow! is going to shoot up real well, but after a  while when buy volumes are enough to take profit, they offload, and there you go, they just took the profit. I have learnt never to follow the whales, when I get suspicious I stay off the market holding my bitcoin till the market is settled. Manipulators are dangerous in this space. Although they are found everywhere.

they want personal gain. by selling all the assets they have when prices rise, they get big profits and then the price is dumped. they buy again when the price is cheap in large quantities, and make the price back at the pump and they sell it again.

I believe that the current drop in prices will only benefit the market in the long term. The hype of last year only attracted a huge number of scammers and brought turmoil to the market. I think after this year the situation will stabilize.

I don't even believe that manipulators would be doing whatever they are doing because they believe in cryptocurrency or that, they are already manipulating because they believe in it. I think it is just a business idea for them which is necessitated by also hodling a or some coins, or having other interest in cryptocurrency.

They want to make money from cryptocurrency not only by investing but also by raising some level of panic to catch on such advantage.

Manipulators are obviously making the price of cryptocurrency to drop even more in order for them to invest a huge amount, that is the reason you should not sell your coins today.

The manipulators take advantage of the good mind of the little investors to make money.  Manipulators are the people that are destroyed this market and we need to understand there way in other to be able to play this game with them.

I think that now there is a reverse effect after the hype in the past year. It is unknown how this will affect the market as a whole, but I hope that there will not be so many scammers.

The main thing that drives the players of the Crypto market/manipulators  to manipulate bitcoin prices is to obtain large amounts of Bitcoin. For most people, it is clear that the bitcoin market is at least controlled by two market participants and we can call it an evil actor. A study found that at least 600,000 bitcoin (BTC) worth $ 188 million was obtained incorrectly. This caused an unprecedented USD-BTC rate hike.
 
This market manipulation can be anticipated if bitcoin is considered a serious matter by the government as in Japan, legalize the existence of Crypto currency. There must be rules to be able to improve security even though we know that in principle Crypto is decentralized.

Yes they want to be the ones that are controlling the market and they also want to be the ones that are making the huge profit. This is just like in the real world politics, our leaders wants to continue to be the leaders like forever and they keep on deceiving us and stealing from us they never want to come down for the youths to get in, rather they remain there till they die lol. Well, I just wish there is a way we can get rid of these price manipulators.

Nothings new with the concern since its a hopeless case about the manipulation that is happening long time ago but getting worst as time passes by.

I love your motive here to awaken the weak handed people and the panicking investors for not to give consent the manipulators to play the market and help the people boost morals for holding in time of dip

Manipulators are investors who are always targeting more earnings because they are people who control the market. These investors, who have an effective power on the market with their consistently high capital, generally want to create uncertainty by creating fluctuations in the market. Especially those who are actively trading to reduce prices are those who aim to make new investments at a lower price with a new wave of panic. For that reason, these traps that people do not fall into this trap and falling into this trap is a mistake that we should not all do.

As the great investor Warren Buffett says, "Be fearful when others are greedy and be greedy when others are fearful". The big whales and institutional investors are aware of the fact that market is still immature and hence they can manipulate in a way they want to earn maximum profit from the situation arising from it. The possibility of making a maximum profit is the only want of the manipulators.

What they simply want is to always play with the minds of the gullible ones and make them lose for them to gain. Unfortunately,  due to lack of knowledge and speculative environment it makes it easy for the gullible ones to fall prey and for the whales to always see an opportunity to keep manipulating. This is the reason why real life usage rather than having speculative assets in our hands is the best way to go.

Most probably all are up for a show and a bull trap, when everyone see that it's rising many will buy and trap on that price as whales are pulling it on the floor. So people poorly hang on fhe ceiling and planning to jump and kill their selves. So as much as possible don't give your money to whales as they love to see us crying.

Your point of view is totally different. Manipulators just want to promote panic selling by spreading FUD in the market so that they could buy coins at a much cheaper price and sell it when the price rises. And they don't want to lessen the volume of investors to control the market.

In my view these manipulators only work by creating triggers so that they really do not control prices as a whole and at certain points, they only make FUDs at a certain time, then let the market go down until it passes the expected point, after which they also have taken step, they prepare good info to raise prices again

You have just stated the functioning of whales, and I guess that by now almost everyone understands how this market works
So, in future, even if the market gets too high, do not get very positive, and it is better to sell your investments after earning a fair bit of profit. Being greedy will hurt you more than anything else here. Only the smart one wins.

The manipulators may not actually be able to affect the market as much
as we think but they are able to take advantage of the FOMO and FUD in
the markets at certain times.

Its like skilled traders, to be able to react to movements and forsee what
will happen. Timing is everything.

They clearly don't want to completely destroy the market, as that would have happened a long time ago. I doubt that we are actually seeing major price manipulation, the volume hitting exchanges simply isn't enough to account for the changes in valuation that we have seen. People attribute any mass movements to whales and market manipulators, when in fact it could just be generic trade volume.

Things changed, and now there are many intervenants that affect this market.

The cryptocurrencies market became so huge lately in a way that it is almost impossible to control it or manipulate it by few "manipulators".

Yeah, newbies are the most affected by that move of every manipulators. We should really ride the train with them and we should know their movements. Manipulators really want to make big money, that is too much greed for them but we don't need to be scared, we just need to learn their strategies and we will have a good profit in the future like them.

the manipulators use the momentum of every good news about crypto to take profits
when that happens they buy in
and after getting a profit of around 5 - 20% of what they invest, they immediately sell off
and of course manipulators are people who have a lot of money (whale)

except for those manipulators joining to control it. but by looking at such conditions, i think the influence of the news is greater, they must create fomo or fud simultaneously to achieve the desired

If the definition of the manipulator is a trader or an influencer, I agrees with your opinion. Clearly, they try to control the market favorably for themselves, and they are shedding various news. And in order to invest a huge amount of money I try to further lower the price of cryptic infringement.

They also create news that can affect the market easily. They will sell some of their holdings and wait for the people to panic, so the price will continue to dump and when they reach the bottom price, they will pump the market and of course they will take profit. Manipulators wants to continue to increase their  money so they will manipulate the market in order for them to achieve it.

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Why do you think this is manipulation? this is a social media effect that creates FOMO and FUD, like in the picture beside, many people believe that. Waves up and down the floor are commonplace for traders it is easy to overcome that, their trading psychology is strong.

If you doubt the market is wrong, you understand each market has its value but why are they almost the same? because there are many traders who do arbitrage and they race for it.

The two main points of investigation for investigation are fraud and trade laundering. Fraud refers to flooding the market with fake orders, deceiving other traders in the process while washing trades involves making fake volumes that overstate the market. Both of these malpractices raise prices in the direction desired by the manipulator.

Yes, they want to make you sell all the cryptocurrencies now when they are cheap. They plan to buy the cryptos for the lowest prices and make millions on it later.

Since there are markets, there are manipulators, these two go together. Strong players manipulate the prices and the news that go in their favor, both as FUD or false good ones. Of course, this is not exactly a commendable skill, but a reality. What do they want? Control over the market and big earnings. Simply as that.

Whether it is social media effect or whatever it is that the mainstream media brings to the table, it is all still fuelled by manipulators anyway. There are manipulators in every market and they are also considered as whales since they hold a large position. FOMO and FUD is one thing you will certainly see in every market, and that is why it is always easy for them to drive the price the way they believe the market will respond quickly to. We need real life usage as this can only be the main solution. This is a decentralized space, and manipulation obviously is going to always be easy, most especially since there is no regulation of some sort.

What ever they do, the only objective of the people, no mather the consequence, is to gain money, value and power to manipulate the environment. Unfortunately the .manipulator have a vision of singularity. All we can do, the small people, is to hope that they make the right decision when they start manipulating.

This is not basically all about scammers, even though we could say they may be responsible for some of the dump in the market, but that huge correction was inevitable and nothing we could have avoided.

A lot of people did not see reasons last year when the market was soaring very high, puncturing skies, with nothing driving it than speculation, but as long as we are making profit, people tend to forget the implications for those who bought into FOMO which is what we are having now and whales are usually the ones who instigates these movements.

Apparently, everyone wants gain but how you do it to get the gain is what makes the whales different here. Whales do not trade like we do; they trade people's emotion on the chart. They know when they should be getting in and when they should be scaring people out and all these is usually a rinse and repeat process for them.

The thing here is that, they are more like the market makers and since they have a lot of money to play around with and most especially in a speculative market, it even makes the whole process an easy one for them.

Manipulators love stressing small investors and only want their hard earned investments as cheap as possible. I also experience panic selling during my early days in crypto but I regret that moves. Hopefully this time I'm making the right steps and never get rekt again.

Manipulators always want to gain profits. They fear the small investors buy reversing the market trend. Those buyers or sellers who can't read market charts or predict the right time of entry then they are trapped in the market. Most of the time, manipulators are waiting for the bull run market and hype it according what they really know the best for them.

I think manipulators just want to buy the coins for cheaper and more cheaper price. They are greedy people, who know how to push the price up or down when they want and they don't care if they ruin little people lives and they just empty other people pockets.

It is just exactly what anyone would want if he is a whale. The simple fact is that they want to always find a scape goat in the market they can feed on, and that is one thing about them, as they are the market makers anyway. They have the resources, the funds to be able to hold up a market in a way they want it, make people believe what they want them to believe and then, they strike whenever they feel like while those who are just pup petting around, tend to be the scape goat in this scenario.

The reason why controlling the price movement is so easy anyway is because the market generally is highly speculative, we have a lot of not so experienced traders since it is a market easily available to all, and then no matter what, there is always someone to take the bait. I would not say that is not fair, I would rather just say, it is a greedy way of them trying to make more money. Still, this is the main reason why real life usage is necessary globally, and that is the only way we can be able to see the manipulations subside.

Trader I doubt can control the market, it is only the big whales whether a individual or the group which comes together and buy/sell which will effect the market. Small traders or investors doe snot constituent a huge change in the price if you want to see that.

Yes they manipulate crypto price because they want people panic and sell their coins so manipulators will buy coins as much as they want. I think the current condition is not just make people panic but it also can be causes people loss their interest to crypto, if that happen it will make crypto enthusiasts continue to decrease.

Whales have a one step ahead in the markets, we shouldn't doubting the experience they have. The low market cap cryptocurrencies markets has and combined with a lot of inexperienced traders make them a beast to control the market.

Its simple they want to control the market and ultimately looking to make money,but we are the one wh let us the manipulators to do their work if we are not trusting the cryptos or the bitcoin then it will be better to completely quit from the cryptos other than just dumping and bumping their coin and involved in panic selling and buying.

I agree that there are people who have a very large amount of coins, but I do not think that they greatly affect the market!

right, basically they want to make a big profit, by manipulating prices. but with increasing number of bitcoiners, they provide feedback and are then forwarded to positive or negative news, according to their goals

The main goal of manipulators is to make so that a lot of people buy bitcoin, the more people enter the project, the faster the price will start to grow.

That's true, Manipulator loves to see a big depth from the market cap. because they can control the price of bitcoin by holding huge amount of bitcoin. Then all of the sadden they will sell it and when they notice that a lot of people get on their trap they will buy it again and hold for the long time that how manipilator always do.

When we heard manipulator, one thing that comes to my mind is that they want to control the price to their favour. I'm pretty sure that this is the goal of whales or manipulators in the market. They want the price to be really cheap so that they can bought a lot of coins and then somewhat pump it a bit to lay their bull trap and they will cash out taking with them their profits then rinse and repeat.

Absolutely you are right, these manipulators or let say big whales are always trying to manipulate the price in the market some of them pay those social media broadcasters to spread a FUD news so that it will have a big effect in the market. When the panic seller believed their news they laugh because they know that they have a profit when the market is down.

I were the manipulator then I only want to make the price of bitcoin drops because I can sell my coins with a good amount and when it drops I can buy with cheap price wherein I can earn from it.

yes, i agree with you some big players do market manipulation of course with the aim of wanting to get big profits. this is what causes psychologically to make people who are just playing in the crypto world become desperate so that the pope easily plays a role by manipulating prices in the crypto market.

The most common direction - the manipulator helps to increase the rate of the asset, and then sells them to the buyer at an increased price.

If most of the traders will continue to allow this manipulators to decide where the market to go they will keep gaining lots of profits inside this market, there's a need for people inside the trading business to realize and do a deeper study, market can be dictated if players will let big bag holders to continue dictating the price, but if they won't go along the flow value will hold and no manipulations can be done.

yes, it's true. and the only people who can manipulate the market are the richest or the whales. the amount of bitcoin, for example, to drive down the price is great.

I really do not think that there are as many manipulators as people think, there are speculators, but there are not a lot of people that have the coins to move the market as they please, what the speculators are looking for is just to make profits and they do this in several ways, one way is just to have insider information about the developments of different coins or about what the exchanges are going to do with the policies that they are going to implement, that helps them make a lot of money without having to manipulate the market.

I think it is impossible if bitcoin can be manipulated, because the price of bitcoin is up and down is determined by the purchase and sale of the users, and the sale of bitcoin is done on exchangers, and the exchanger cannot manipulate prices. because this is crypotcurrency prices can only be determined by requests and offers. prices will automatically follow. supply and demand can be said to be unbalanced. if many bidding requests are less, the price of the coin will increase, on the contrary if there is less demand, many offers will cause the coin price to drop

well, its true there is manipulation by large whale or you can call them as institutes who tries to manipulate the market as per their demand to gain more and more profits. Money is the cause which makes them greedy and they try to lower the price to buy at less price and then again pump the coin to sell it at a high price. An individual person can not manipulate the market because of having less amount of coins. Only a group of people/institutes can go at too much extent to control the market as per their own will, and hence a result a common man loses its investment.

At this time , the best solution is to enter the market , so in the future it will begin to grow, and production as it was and continues on the same scale even when the price fell.

Yes Indeed! Those big whales are making fun of those small traders that is weak and scared of the small pullback and then those whales tries to make them comeback again and just make it all over again.

Who are these manipulators, has anyone seen even one alive? Well, I don't quite deny there is market manipulation going on from time to time, but to explain every price move, every fucking price twitch by deliberate manipulation is bordering on paranoid or outright insane. If we look at major price moves, such as the rise to 20k and the following crash to 6k and below, that had nothing to do with manipulation. This was market unleashed at its full force. No manipulation would be able to achieve such astonishing (or frustrating, for that matter) results.

They are too greedy for this one, and its hard to stop them since they hold a lot but I hope someday manipulators will not dump the market so much, so everyone here can make money. We should start to learn to ride with them, we should not be scared and don’t let them win more in this market. We can all make good money and use this great technology in the future.

yes you are right, manipulators want to control the market to make a big profit for themselves, so don't panic when you see the value goes down because it will make you lose, hold what you believe in, and make big profits from your investment.

It seems manipulators exist in any investment markets.
But since Bitcoin is still unregulated (maybe never will) , those guys can do whatever they want to reach their ultimate goal -  making a lot of money.
My strategy is simple: when those guys tanks the spot price, I buy.
I am keep buying month after month.
I do not spend a lot of money to maintain a normal life, I can put the remainder of earnings into Bitcoin when prices moves lower.

Unfortunately, many are still not aware that there are a lot of manipulators in the market and the only way for them to learn it is to experience losing themselves so that they would do more research about it. When you are having profits, you would not care about what is happening in the background as long as you are making money but when you are losing then that would be the time you would think that you can do something about it if you have more information.

It seems to me that manipulators want to let the price goes down and make a profit with this low time to buy more coin

but I think that not every time the price changes due to manipulation right ? all I want is not to be easily provoked by the news, issues and speculations that arise because that is what the manipulator wants. so when many people are not consumed by their bait then their manipulation can fail..

If there are manipulators, they would want profit of course. Bumping into the numbers on a crypto currency creates hype and people will buy then they will pull out all their investments. Then again, these kinds of manipulations take an enormous amount of effort and supervision to earn a mere trinket compared to stocks among others.

Strictly speaking, the fact that the price is determined by the buys and sells of traders doesn't in the least exclude a possibility of market price manipulation as everything which changes prices ultimately comes down to either selling or buying an asset, in this case bitcoin. Simply put, you are looking only at what is right on the surface, but you don't seem to quite understand how prices can be affected by manipulating the market sentiment en masse at a deeper level, through news, rumors, forum posts, telegram channels, and so on.

That doesn't mean that every price movement is necessarily a result of price manipulation, of course, as that would be bordering on paranoid. Moreover, the stronger the move and the more lasting its effects are, the less likely it to be an outcome of deliberate and intentional manipulation, but manipulation is still possible through a concerted effort of big market players such as exchanges and individual cryptostars and celebrities.

Just accept that manipulators are part of the market, even we like it or not. Just look at the brighter side, if there will be no manipulators, we can just have boring market like what we have in forex. If we just learn on how to go with the trend we will be living in profit and won't bother the dumps. Let's not put our lives in misery.

Actually, we should be thinking like them, I don't mean be greedy but rather be more wise.

 I would say the topic as posted maybe considered as Speculation, Market is Volatile, it is unpredictable, i can't Imagine on how they will manipulate the Decentralized System. Yes, we are all aware that the Market are composed of TRADER, HODL, INVESTOR, Traders do hit in run style with in the market trading, HODL almost the same but they do business on Coins, Investors are for either long term or short term... It's a Risky mode of Business in the market.

surely there will be a lot of manipulation of a price and it has had a bad impact on those who have little value like me and I'm sure if I stay patient then there will be a big increase after the manipulators have finished their business

the profit they are looking for and the price becomes cheap so they can buy at a low price and then sell it when the price has returned

Money of course it really isn't obvious that they are playing and toying with small scale investors. They are rich so probably they could manipulate market price for the crypto. They can easily pump it up and suck it all the investment of all who were there investing on crypto. THey are usually the reason for the bear market and they are the bear.

That's right, with a lot of manipulators you want, it's about coin prices that can make them get the desired profit. so with them buying at a low price and they will continue to wait for the coins they hold to experience a substantial increase

those manipulators are those who has the capability to do that meaning they are really holding a huge amount of bitcoin in the market with just one click and sold those bitcoin the price will drops and after that they will wait until their desire amount reach the market again and they will buy more because they already earn from their past transaction of selling it with a great amount.

so call manipulator are just as same as most of us. their objective is just try to not making any loses in the market, but on a larger scale.

but we dont have the power to manipulate price because we have a coin but dont have the capability to make the market move we are very dependent to them.

spread the issue so that everyone followed him to sell all their coins so that prices dropped further. after that, they will buy all the coins when the price is cheap. from now on, don't be a panic, because manipulators always try to make dumps and pumps.

Market manipulation is really uncontrolled by now, Is there any effort doing by any jurisdictions to control this kind of act? Small investors and traders are the ones who are suffering from this and if they cant go on anymore because of really bad market conditions manipulated by crocodiles they tend to sell even in a huge losses and try another means of income.

I guess it is the misfortune of the small traders and investors, in every market, there have been people who manipulated the market, and now still they are doing the same and I believe they will continue to do this and this thing will continue. Especially in the crypto market, the owner of the pump-dump game show is only the manipulators, and basically we have to predict their movements, then only we may make a profit before dump, but not all can be so lucky.

I was not sure the market was being manipulated until recently. Now it is so obvious and seen every time. I noticed they are not planning to dump below $6000 for now, they have allowed the so called resistance price. The involvement of the exchange in the manipulation is disappointing, though sometimes I think it might have its advantages. I expect the manipulators to be relaxed by the end of the year.

We all know that manipulators overstate the trend whether it is up or down. They always want to control market and earn money from panic and trust. But there is a limit for speculation. If people lose their hope, they give up, sell their assets, exit from market, and never come back.

the main reason for a manipulator is to get profit in an easy way but what he does tends to violate the law and harm others, but there is also a manipulator who does his actions gently without breaking the law and as if what he manipulated is going as it should, for example, he manipulates market prices by making large-scale sales or purchases so that a substantial price correction will occur

First of all, I don't believe that someone who has millions and millions of liquid cash would sit around and watch the screen and look at the trends of crypto currency and pump it then sell it only to earn cents to the dollar. But there was, I'd think they would want to maintain the volatility of the market because that is where they earn.

Well, the idea they have always had is that if we can control their mind to do exactly what we want to be able to get more profit, then, let's shoot. It is not very hard for them when the market is a highly speculative one and for one thing, as long as that is in play, the possibility of seeing them keep manipulating the market to their benefit is always going to be there.

The thing with them is that they keep looking for those who are just gullible not to understand the way market wants and prefer joining FOMO to be able to get rich and because of this, the whales after buying the dips only have to move the price up, sprout participation and then sell when they feel they are OK to drive it back down.

what they want to do is control prices and make many people go bankrupt because it makes a lot of people who will panic because of the influence of falling cryptocurrency prices on the market.

I think as long we dont panic with market condition and hold our investment for long term, i am believe manipulators can not do anything. They gain from panic seller and if we invest for long term, we will ignore fake news

Yes, manipulators want most of crypto holders to be panic to make us feel uncomfortable in crypto and sell our coin to have dump and they will grab the opportunity to buy coins at low price because of the dump effect and sell after all is already profitable, so generally we are all here in crypto to make profit and its more advantage to those who have good strategy and knowledge in the market.

high bull/bear wave, buy low enough to get more, sell high enough to profit from it.

Manipulators want to create certain market behaviors to make money in the end. This is why it's so important to make your own research and don't believe in every information you hear or see.

Well, obviously, once there are communities who get panic because the market are falling, investors are smiling at them once they've sell their coins in the market even the value are totally dumped. Then the investors will grab the opportunity to buy a huge of coins/alts then they will hold em in a long terms until such time comes or bull runs starts to happen anyway.

manipulators wants people to panic and sell their token to dump the market price.
once that happen they will buy it at very low price and then hold for it.
they will be also the one to put the orders at buying like a big wall.

If this is really happening on cryptocurrency then the decentralized feature is not effective and not satisfying the purpose of coming against any government. I like to believe the manipulators are having a tough time, since March. Manipulation requires a lot of money, they hold the largest size of bitcoin and still want to take the few ones from people.

manipulators just want to make a profit on it by controling the market by them and getting some people to bankrupt with the investment and also make market crash

Manipulators always want one thing - to move the market in the right direction and thus earn as much money as possible, buying cheaper and selling more expensive. It should be remembered that they only manipulate the mood of the crowd. Therefore, without having too much capital, but by tracking such fluctuations in the mood of the cryptocommunity, we can also earn.

Well, essentially manipulators - like all of us, after all - just want to make money.
And since they have the ability to move the market in the direction that suits them, they will make even more money.
Let's say it would be nice to have a whale as a friend ...

This is the very real situation in the market. The big traders or holders trying to suffocate the smaller holders.  Not good. The manipulations should be stopped. The smaller traders must not be frustrated out and make them give up. If the market is left to the big holders alone, it will crash.

I don't think it is easy to get against them. We should steal their bitcoins to oppose them. But if everyone's Bitcoin belief increases and they stop selling, the manipulators are desperate.

I dont see any other things or reason on whats on the mind of these manipulators which is indeed on making "Profits" since they do have the capability when it comes to finances then its possible that they can manipulate
and do take advantage on their edge on where they do know that they can able to generate income with price manipulation.We have seen that they might collaborated with media and bigger institution on creating fuds or shills that can possible drive the market from better to worse.

The main goal desired by manipulators is to get a lot of profit from the market, those who have great access in the media and also social media can easily manipulate all the news for their sake, so they are very easy to control this market happening in all commodities, including stocks, I think, never mind how long this manipulator will continue to exist.

Somehow I do believed in whales who were the ones dictating the current value of every altcoins in the market. If they want to buy some certain coins, they are causing some FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt) so that holders of that token will sell even if its at its lowest value. And as that certain coins decreases, the whales will buy and hold for it and this time they are gonna turn around by spreading some positivity with that coins. Thats how whales manipulates.

I think maybe what investors or bitcoin price drivers want to manipulate bitcoin prices might want to try to make a lot of people lose because by making bitocin price manipulations many panicked traders will eventually sell their assets at very cheap prices.

Good. Manipulators want selkers to loose their guard and then, poof!! there they come. They'll take everything away from you.

The moment they will only the one who will gain profits ,that's it. It almost you lose everything and seems no wy to do is to withdraw investment ,they will come in nowhere.

when they take our treasure continuously with falling prices, the longer many feel panicked. and many sell it because of feeling of panic, even though they use situation to buy back

I think he doesn't care about your loss or profit, what they want is what happens in the market according to their strategies and plans. they want what he speculates to be eaten by many people so that it can have an effect on the market, and be profitable for them

Those who want manipulations like these are very expert people they search for their own benefits and they change the market behavior whenever they want to bring some change in the market bitcoin is very prime currency and other altcoins are also connected with it when the bitcoin affected other altcoins also affected.

Well, just as you have said, they will want to maintain the volatility of the market as you keep seeing it, and trust me most of what you see sometimes is bots at work, and they really do not have to sit on the chart all day.

Moreover, what whales do is emotional analysis. They look at the price zone where people are beginning to get greedy and they dump, and in this case, you will see some who really got into the market for the wrong reasons, panicking and trying to quickly bail out at loss, and these are the people that they target most of the time, and one of the reason why the only way this can be curbed is when we start seeing real life usage.

Manipulators want to control the market in order to gain more. We all know that dips make some investors mostly new investors panic that results for them to sell their coins and tokens and exit the market. This is what manipulators want to happen that's why they control the market.

The manipulation can only affect chicken-hearted investors  that does not have proper orientation of the coin market behaviour. I am holding the my bitcoin tight no matter the manipulations.

For the manipulators and those spread FUD with regards to bitcoins and cryptos, their motives when is all about making people sell their coins so that they can buy it for a low price and gain immense profits when it rises again.

I don't allow the market trends to influence my selling off at any given time. The best I do when the markets dips is to hodl. I do wish most persons do have this same experience which could help resuscitate the market price.

but I tried to hold many times and thought the same way and as everyone sells you have no other choice because by doing so I am in a loss of 3x and more in 3 coins, so it is better to follow the flow.

I think that it is pretty obvious that manipultors want just more money for themselves and that's all, I'm sure that they exist and highly affect current market situation.

In my own point of view, cryptocurrency manipulators just wanted to make the market looks so bad giving fears to others that will push them to sell their crypto holdings. Once these manipulators see that the market is so down, they will also buy again at a huge volume of cryptos whatever they want.

There are no "manipulators", there are simply big players who have the opportunity to influence the market, and obviously take advantage of it.
If we were able, we would do it too.
For what concerns us, we can only try to understand in which direction the "manipulator" will move the market, and go after it.

Yeah, I'm telling the same thing here. Even though there can be some price manipulations going on but they are rather local and can't affect prices significantly, let alone change the overall long-term trend. Pump&dump contrivances are common for small altcoins though, where it is easy to influence the market with a minimum of funds. With bitcoin it would be very expensive and not in the least guaranteed to succeed unless we are speaking about specific moments (so-called tipping points aka pivots) when however small disturbances can cause very dramatic and lasting changes. But these moments are rare and far in between and will happen on their own sooner or later even without a directed pull.

Manipulator want? To have more panic seller or those weak in holding because they think that they have loose their investments.
Manipulators having different strategies on how to manipulate the market price, they keep spreading FUD news and pay those broadcasters just to spread negative feedback to the social media that makes people panic and sell. In my own, whatever happens in the market I still no doubt with bitcoin (cryptos).

I think these manipulators might have the desire to make a lot of traders panic because I think if these price manipulators are sure there are people who want to try to control and control the place of price movements in the exchange place, the more often the price is made like this I'm sure there will be many traders panic and loss so that many victims will come out of the exchange place so that the volume at the exchange place begins to decrease.

You've got a point here - indeed, trading is very much dependent on the volumes.
One of the coins I got from bounty is not even rated on coinmarketcap because there are not enough trading volumes, which should be around $100k daily. This bounty, by the way, really "cut my dreams" - after ICO its price dropped like 25 times by the way bounty hunters got their rewards..

this is one of the causes of what I convince, I always hold the coins I have bought. even though the price of the coin has been destroyed. and I always believe that this manipulation factor is very strong. and this will make prices able to return to the top after they have taken control of the market volume, this happens every year, when the price of the kion falls very steeply, we don't need to worry because the price will definitely recover

I think that people just want to have more Bitcoins, more than anyone so they will control all market. They just want to drop the price and buy more and more. Then they will pump it... I hope :D

Agreed! But, people call them manipulators as they are trying to control the market by dragging people's emotion with how the price behaves relatively. Neverthless, these big players can only influence the market with the great number og asset in their possesion. Putting their money in and out of the market may have a minor impact, but there has no full control in price manipulation yet, not unless if the normal investors follows the market trend.

The cryptocurrency market is affected and manipulated by so many wealthy investors. If you enter the cryptocurrency market long enough, you will feel the market is dominated by a small trading volume. So I advise investors to choose coins that have a larger trading volume so that they are not dominated by speculators.

Manipulators always want to get cheap price and make big profits from market movement. They always get that by make market panic and creating chaos in market. Thats why we should not panic about market condition and better to hold our investment for long term

The market is full of manipulators,their wish is to get the profit as much as possible,so they will used any ways to get their profit, it's really important to always do research before sell or buy, don't fall into the manipulators trap, always keep calm and try to take decision with a clear mind,don't become panic once the price fall down

It is mot only the manipulators who wanted for it to happen, the people who are experts or those who are veteran with this kind of stuffs wanted it to. But then we can say that manipulators want to get more and more coin or to generate more profit. They have the goal of making money.

Stockbrokers, hedge funds, and speculators all do the same thing on the stock market. It's something that's unpleasant sometimes, but it's an integral part of the market. Can't do anything about it.

I can not sure if there is manipulator that hold the market value, this is decentralized and all people are individually accessed to the system flat form like bitcoin. No organization controlled the 24/7 operation of crypto currency massive decreased of value is because of "PANIC SELLING" of volume of user that actually affect the value of price.

Yes, sure, they want to get more Bitcoins when the crypto is very cheap. After that, the biggest holders of BTC are going to sell the cryptocurrency to make billions.

I'll place myself in the stand point of a whale. If i have tomw of money and i can make more simply by buying then selling the coins to increase the price. I would also buy then sel coins, especially alt coins, regularly just so the volatility will stop. Lastly, i may not want the crypto currency to be a hit so no one will invest on them anymore

When market manipulations happen on crypto market, the motivation of manipulators is simple they want to buy low and sell high. All those manipulating techniques - wash trading; pumps and dumps; market cornering are only done to pursue two targets- to control the crowd and make money on it.

Market manipulators want to make money mostly on margin trading I think thats where people really get destroyed by these people.
Take all there money with no chance to lose.

It is expected by everyone. Not only by thoe manipulators. But everyone wishes to have it. We are for profit or for income. Therefore everyone must have patience in which it is the main ingredient for everyone, and also trust. It is important to consider this things.

manipulators want to collect more cryptocurrencies. they manipulate the market and wants market to be dumped when they want to buy. and they manipulate for a rise with good volume when they want to cash out.

Maybe thats this your speculation or your prediction about the cryptocurrency are true,so that all the investor now would feel calm and dont panic about this situation now in the market,therefore us your stated that this is the manipulator wants in order to control all about the cryptocurrency movement .

You overestimate manipulators too much, they are not capable of influencing the market so much!

It has been always a question for me, how many of early adopters still hold their thousands of coins? In 2013 some people were saying that most of them sold everything when Bitcoin was around $100. But then, due to high demand on the part of regular people, Bitcoin hit $1,000+ in December 2013 and the subsequent falling could only be explained by dumping big amounts by whales, because regular people couldn't lose their interest in Bitcoin at once. Then December 2017 happened when again because of the high demand from new adopters the price skyrocketed to $20k, and we all know what happened next. Again, I don't think those newcomers who were buying at $10k-$15k started selling their coins all of a sudden. Most likely it were the whales this time too.

And today when we are witnessing that the price is more or less stabilized, can it be the sign that most of them whales indeed sold their coins earlier and that's why they can't manipulate the market no more? If that is the case then in the future the price will depend solely on the demand and supply, and since the demand will inevitably rise the price will rise as well.

It seems that you are not taking into account that it is actually a two-way street. What I want to say is that even if the first wave of whales (the bitcoin pioneers) had sold their stashes earlier, for example, in 2013-2014, it doesn't necessarily mean that there are no more whales left. For example, we all know about the Winklevee twins and their mighty bitcoin holdings, but they were not among the very first adopters. They are what would be correctly called the second generation of bitcoin whales. The point is when some whales go, new ones take their place.


Then again, this is just a speculation. To make plausible inferences, we need to look at bitcoin wealth distribution. But even it is not 100% "tamper-proof" as one holder can have many unconnected wallets. In that case, you won't see them as one stash and him as a whale.

This is exactly the scenario that has been playing out for long. We saw this with the last all time high price of bitcoin and how the people who rushed in quickly dumped their bitcoin and rushed out. People are getting wise everyday and manipulators are no longer finding it as easy as it used to be.

That's why if you want to have profits then you would want to think as a manipulator or the whales or the market makers. You would want to know what are they thinking or what their movement might be in this kind of market so that in this way, you can anticipate their movement and you can avoid being dumped and will be not late when the pump comes. One key factor here is having a trading plan always so that you will not be betrayed by your emotions in case there are sudden movements in the market.

Only want by manipulators of crypto with bitcoin and altcoin price is could buy with lower and sell at higher price, we have see how come they are making many people are panic for selling their asset at lower price, take chance to buy and sell when it on higher price.

     We may have different opinion on the market status, Market is Volatile, anything can happened during the market trading, price value may goes up and down dependent on the volume of investment by the investors, the level of consumers confident affect market movement, Trading and HODL plays some indicators that bring the Market Volatility on the price market status, i dis agree on the manipulators in the market not unless "insider trading is happening"?

I agree, sometimes I do not like what speculators do with the markets but if we want to have free markets then it is impossible to avoid the actions of the manipulators, they are trying to earn money out of the market which is something that many of us can understand, the difference is that they are so powerful that their actions can move the market in one direction or the other, that is why it may seem unfair to some of the participants that do not have that power.

But since they have accumulated that power by taking the right decisions at the right time we do not really have the right to tell them what to do with their money and the only thing that we can do is to try to guess in which direction they are going to try to manipulate the market before they do so we can benefit out of those movements as well.

If you ask me, that's next to impossible for the vast majority of trading folks as they are driven entirely by emotions even though they themselves think they are quite rational and reasonable. This is how human mind works by retrospectively rationalizing decisions made and steps taken. For example, you make a rush decision on impulse and then you proceed to contrive a reason to explain your actions. With manipulators, it is even worse than that. By trying to guess what's on their mind, you will be only fooling yourself. If your knowledge and expertize is on par with theirs, you will be acting accordingly without ever trying to get into their heads as you won't need that.

This is the reality that manipulators do. they only wanted cheaper prices and sell at the expensive prices to get the profits. Well, anyone who is affected by their manipulations will definitely lose.

Yes mostly this is the want by manipulators to catch the price when it is low. To earn profit at a desired higher price. Manipulators do really exists in the market and we cannot avoid them but we can do on our own strategy to earn in the market.

Manipulators use our emotions to make us sell or buy coins/stocks. You know the term "fomo" right? It works for almost anyone. So we should try to calm down, take a look at the table from a distance and think. This way I'm doing better job at trading.

We don't need to be afraid of them, they are actually making their own strategy to make money in here. Though we think that they are greedy and tried to manipulate market prices but that's their way also and nothing we can do that.
That's right, find ourself comfortable rather than of thinking them hard.

As you said that when the price is down, it is the time for manipulators to control the market. It can conclude that the manipulators want earn as much as possible of ROI or earn extra money from the panic sell. They will not let the chance go, even they sell the own coins for dump. 

They want to have the power of changing the prices whenever they want and make profit from those changes they made. Sometimes they get right and manage to drop or increase the price whenever they want, I have seen some whales and sometimes they failed to increase or decrease the price, it doesn't work %100 of the time even if you are a whale.

They have more to lose and even tho you won't read this on some newspaper they do lose money and big time once in a while. They are as much afraid of doing what they are doing as you would. This is millions of dollars they play with and sometimes they hit big and they are after that one big hit.

Yes, that is the rule. The rich will become richer. We are just small fish and are subjected to the oppression of whales but that is the rule. Try to work harder to make more money.

Manipulators want to loot and suck innocent investors. I do not have any hold over the market and I will just see what is happening in the market. Many investors withdrew their investment due to these manipulators. They change the prices according to their well make big money. Thousands of investors lost their money and now they do not trust crypto anymore.

Anyone would want to be tempted to drive the market when they know they have all it takes to do so and as long as there are traders in the market, the participation will always be there one way or the other. It is always so easy because so many traders are inexperienced, they tend to jump in front of a moving train, and a whole lot of people even without knowledge are looking for means to get rich fast from trading and whales will always take advantage of this.

It is usually very simple, accumulate more at the dips, spike the price and bring about participation, and then before you know it, the price keeps getting up as you look for another perfect spot to distribute and drive it back down afterwards. A rinse and repeat process.

Manipulators are part of the crypto market, decentralized systems can't be separated from manipulators who manipulate prices, and manipulators will continue to play to get their profits.

Actually to them, it is not even just about getting cheap, it is about taking advantage of the weak hands in the market which is where they believe that the ability to make more money in the long run will come from. As long as the market is speculative, a lot of people want to get rich fast, it would always be an easy ride for them.

They usually play with emotions and since they have huge bucks to drive the market the way they want, it makes manipulation so easy for them, which would not have happened naturally if the market is not highly speculative and natural demand drives the market instead which I believe we will get there some day.

Even if we get there when the time comes manipulation will next exit the cryptocurrency market. Although, their goals is for them to control the market, make a good profit from out of people ignorance but all we have to do is play along with them and I also believed current manipulation is normal base on last bullish market.

Thinking about manipulators in the crypto industry, all i can think is that they all want everybody to panic and leave crypto so they will sell their cryptos that will help make the price fall. Once the price is down, they can buy more of it at a lower price adding it to their big volume of crypto assets already.

So basically you were telling us that whales can or will not going to break the whole economy down by manipulating prices?

That is true but what they leave after changing prices is a big problem for us small time traders. I really am hoping to that might aswell limiting trades per day but this also removes cryptos opportunities to bitcoins economic growth.

I also doubt that exchanges will be going to take an effort for that especially if they are the most beneficial aside from the whales when it comes to sudden change of prices

yes, manipulators just want profits by selling at the higher peak, not to break the whole economy. There is something called "price resistant" because not everyone influenced to sell bitcoin and they prefer to hold.

I never heard any exchange limiting trades per day, it's a free global market, people are free to buy and sell as much as they want as long as the volume in an exchangebis enough. The problem is, sometimes exchange place fake volume on their sites to attract people.

Correct, exchanges have the power to control all transactions in their platform, including taking the chance to sell bitcoin at the highest peak or buy at the lowest price. It's a race against time, whoever can buy and sell at the right time will get bigger profits than others.

Manipulators must be want to buy with cheap price. If peoples panic and they have more coin, they can control the price. I think thats the manipulator want. They just want to make big profits from panic peoples

Just my opinion, manipulator want to let the price go down, then panic bitcoiner can not stay long and will sell their coin. They will buy that number of coins and the price will go up, people will come back and buy. Manipulator can sell it with higher price and earn a lots

I agree with you opinion mate as that is really what had happened though I am not an expert about trading but based on my own understanding whales works that way. Manipulation will create something that will make our emotions uncontrollable which lead us to panic and made some stupid decissions which is an advantage for the manipulator itself. So the best thing to do when we feel something is happening with the market then that is the time we are going with the flow and control emotions.

High profits can dazzle those who manipulate. They are too greedy or hard to give up a huge amount of wealth they earn. At the top of wealth, they can lose themselves.

These are the game changers. They can do what they want. When they realize that now it is the time to bump the market, the price will suddenly go up without any reason and when people invest their money, the price will collapse again without any reason. Small investors will lose their money due to fall in the price. Manipulators buy on low price and sell on high price to collect the money.

The main goal of the whales is to earn even more money than they have. If they are millionaires they want to become billionaires. Thus, very often they do everything to reduce Bitcoin price to buy it cheap and sell when it grows.

Obviously they want big profits, i think to control a market is not easy and i think you will needs so many coins to control a coin or market. It's like a group of rich people that have so many coins and they can control the price easily, just pump and dump and the market will follow them. I don't know people like that is really happened or not though.

Exactly high profit as they are aiming for the profit they can have during price drops. Manipulation always exists for their goal to achieve at least their investment will grow. These manipulators wants for the benefits they can have.

The purpose of manipulators is to pull out as much money as possible from weak cryptocurrency holders to increase their capital.

so many price manipulators want one of them they want to make a lot of traders panic so that they will make the price of cryptocurrency cheap and maybe they want to try to buy it at cheap prices by utilizing traders who are very affected when there is bad news.

very simple. the purpose of manipulating crypto prices is only to get huge profits with minimal capital. so that the action is often carried out by someone for personal or group interests. and manipulating prices can be used to pump the price of a few coins so that the number of coin requests increases or attract investors so that the coin is used for investment.

Manipulators are only a catalyst of movement, a crowd creates the trend itself, although most people think differently.

Well it's given that they want more profit for their pockets. If you could manupulate the price to achieve more money why won't you right? In this kind of industry, profit comes first for those high rollers.

But not to control the market that's just a rumor. They are the same with us "small traders", only they have a lot of money. Manipulators are only bad issues when the market crashes. They are also market participants that affect supply and demand

If you are in this market and you want to make money you want the same thing as the manipulators which is to make money at the expense of others with the difference that we are not big enough to manipulate the market, but think about this for a second and put yourself in their shoes, if you were that powerful what would you do? Would you take advantage of your power or not? Because I am sure that most users in the forum will take advantage of it.

For whatever these manipulators, conspirators and big whales wants from the market then these are beyond of our control because they have the resources to do so in which there is nothing we can do but on how we could ride on to their games with a perfect timing or better to quit the market and avoid lossing.

Money and greed were always the reasons why manipulators loved to do it. There are FUDs wanted to have a cheap price to weak hands holders that doesn't want to have a big loss and that's why manipulators always win no matter what. By that they gain so much for themselves and that's where greed strikes in and that kind of traits are really not healthy for crypto market.

You are giving them too much credit, it is true they can manipulate the market but they do not control it, they cannot do as they wish, they need to try to look at the market and try to see if there is any kind of tendency in it, and if there is they could try to amplify it but even they cannot go against the trend because if they do they will be giving their money to those that positioned themselves at the right side of the movement of the market.

If people selling their prospect coin at cheap price, i think that is manipulator want. They will buying coin at cheap price because they know that crypto market cap still undervalue and i am believe it will increasing in near future

The one reason is too give us the risk in market , they want our holdings so because the price still continuesly down . Somebody thinking if they want to sell or give up their holds. I agree with you because if we are not in positive ways we are lose always and always. Make some research because this is the way that i think you make success.