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Wow so stupid I see a punch of pullies and batteries but no power source.

For 3k you can get a starter solar system.

I'm disappointed with mining from bitcointalk. The quality has gotten much poor compared to last year

Lets see your starter solar system keep you going and produce 60kw of power for 3k. This is based off the wind system using an electric motor to turn the generator head instead of wind. Therefore the only power source you need is to run the electric motor which costs about 35 a month. If you cant figure out the electric motor needs power to turn then I guess this setup isn't for you. Also the system requires 2 pullies 1 on the motor and 1 on the generator head not a bunch of them.

I put the information out there for people to consider as an alternate power source for mining. It works and I have a few people using this setup for mining and other purposes. Missouri Wind and Solar helped with the configuration so unless you are and expert in the field then please keep your negative comments out of the post so people who are interested may ask questions.

Perpetum mobile invented? :)

Wow so stupid I see a punch of pullies and batteries but no power source.

For 3k you can get a starter solar system.

I'm disappointed with mining from bitcointalk. The quality has gotten much poor compared to last year

What? It was a joke. At least i think so. I was amused.

Now reading through the rest of the topic i'm even more amused.

No joke apparently you don't understand how it all works. Apparently many of you don't understand how a power inverter works or how the wind generator operates.

Using an electric motor is no different then the wind driving it. It may cost me 35 a month for the motor compared to free wind but the outcome is the same.... lots of power free or at very low cost.


Search the internet and you can find thousands of people making systems like this or similar using water to turn the generator head.

I also run similar system, only with inverter with less total power, but three phases, and I can confirm it works.

Link to one if the thousands of people magically producing more power from a battery bank than was inputted into it.

You need to look into power up and down conversions and how a inverter works. You say it cant work but an inverter can take 12vdc and turn it into 120vac …..my design just uses bigger input power to get super high output power.


Pick your video

https://www.google.com/search?ei=QLEyXNuKHOvIjgTC8JBg&q=off-grid+wind+power+videos&oq=off-grid+wind+power+videos&gs_l=psy-ab.3...20523.21396..22379...0.0..0.146.543.2j3......0....1..gws-wiz.......0i71j35i304i39.X6JZXhYCnIU

this is a 6.3kw system
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-luiwi9MCg


Instead of wind I use an electric motor to turn the PMG Generator head.

I have built a few of these to run small mining farms it will reduce your power cost to almost nothing.
Currently it costs me about $35.00 a month to run 10x Z9 and Z9 minis at my home. That is running the electric motor 24/7
from my home electricity while producing hundreds of dollars more electric to run my miners. The generator head is a PMG type.

The inverter I have listed has many great features, has built in battery charger for emergencies,
all lines have line out for direct connection to breaker box, has power plugs also.

Total cost is about $3000 to build and can be used to power other things such as a house if you aren't a miner.

The generator head is turned by the 1/4 hp electric motor it costs about 35 a month to run that motor 24/7 from my home wiring.
The motor turns the generator head which in turn keeps the batteries charged to run the inverter.

If I plug my miners in my home wiring my electric is over 400 a month.

So it is cheaper to run the electric motor on my home wiring then it is to run the miner on home wiring..

The inverter is 15kw-60kw output which is enough to run many miners.
(This same amount of electric on a home line would cost you hundreds of dollars per month)

The generator head produces 2000 watts of 24vdc we now use the inverter to convert the 2000 watts dc back into 60000watts ac useable power.

If you have enough to spare you could run the electric motor from the inverter also which would then create a loop and run 100% free.

This setup isn't for people running 1 or 2 miners unless they are high power use machines.
It was designed for a system that uses 3kw or higher amounts of electricity to reduce their power costs.

Electric price breakdown.....

Miners on home power $400+ to electric company
Miners on inverter system $35 a month to electric company
Inverter system on regular batt charger $100 a month to electric company
Inverter system on loopbacked electric motor $0 monthly cost (not recommended for mining)

No matter what you wont get 60kw of power from the electric company for $35 a month with this setup you can and 60kw is enough to run a couple houses.

Cheapest option for stable mining is the $35 a month option.

Basically you are building a wind system without the wind and using the electric motor to be your wind.

You can find many videos online with various configurations Missouri Wind and Solar has helped me with setup and design of different systems.
If you live on a river you can use water instead of the electric motor to run the generator.

This setup will produce a max of 60000 watts of AC electricity rated @55 amps of 220vac.

I use 24v batteries but the diagram is setup to use 12v to create your 24v battery bank.

This is a 110/220vac system the inverter will provide 110 or 220 vac. The electric motor drives the generator to keep your system running.
You can either loop-back the motor to the inverter or you can run it from your household electric.

If you have any questions please ask and I will assist you as much as I can.

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--- Setup Diagram ---
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wzk4K9uaPNAcWuFlxL7KNbBVWabi6xra/view

--- Parts List ---

24vdc to 110/220vac Grid/PowerInverter $1000
24V 60000W Peak 15000W LF Split Phase Pure Sine Wave Power Inverter DC 24V to AC 110V&220V 60Hz
https://www.amazon.com/60000W-15000W-Inverter-LCD-Display/dp/B07FTTZV72?ref_=bl_dp_s_web_7490851011

May substitute for any other 24vdc to 110/220vac Power/Grid Inverter select size by
how much power you need

24vdc 2000 watt Model PMG Generator $450.00
http://mwands.com/store/freedom-ii-pmg-permanent-magnet-generator
or
24vdc 1600 watt Model PMG Generator $247.00
http://mwands.com/store/freedom-pmg-permanent-magnet-generator

Fan and Pully Kit for Generator $29.00
http://mwands.com/store/fan-and-single-pulley-for-permanent-magnet-generators-alternators

Charge Controller with dump diverter
http://mwands.com/store/hybrid-charge-controller-digital-display-1200-watt-divert?limit=100

115vac 1/4-HP 1725 RPM or higher RPM Electric Motor  $78.00
https://www.amazon.com/Dayton-3K771-Motor-60hz-Belt/dp/B001GBMNS4
or
https://www.amazon.com/Smith-GF2024-Century-Resilient-Electric/dp/B006P1RUOM?ref_=bl_dp_s_web_7503423011

5 inch V-Belt Pully $25.00 - For Electric Motor
Available at most hardware stores

1 V-Belt Available at any auto or hardware store $10-20
Size is determined by how you built the power unit

Batteries $$$ Depends on battery you choose
8x 12vdc 100ah or larger amp hours
or
6x 24vdc 100ah or larger amp hours

USE CAUTION WHEN CONNECTING THE BATTERIES
MAKE SURE BATTERIES HAVE GOOD VENTILATION

Hello I've seen the diagram and i think it's good to keep running your miners. One thing I must suggest that you must have another electric motor on standby . You cannot run a motor continuously for 24/7 12months a year. It needs lubrication and maintenance too. May I know what types of motor are you using now?

Did you just disprove the first and second law of thermodynamics???

On the Bitcointalk forum?!?!!!

I considered the 3 phase pwm generator but chose the 24v I can get replacement batteries fast and easy and I use the 24v side for welding things sometimes.

I don't understand why some say it wont work when it does and has for years. I guess if it don't work then they will be walking to work tomorrow because their alternator isn't going to keep their car running.... LOL   The first units I built I used ac delco alternators and ran with a 5hp electric motor. The PWM generators made things so much simpler.

The alternator in a car is only able to produce power if the engine belts is running which basically mean its powered by gasoline which is not free.  Your car is able to start only b/c it has battery which the alternator charges up only when the car is running.  No gas, dead battery = no way of starting your car with the alternator alone.

Alternators need energy which is not free! It needs power source by gas, solar, wind, etc. .

Buying some alternators (converts electricity) and batteries (stores electricity)  is not going to give you an infinite supply of energy. But buying alot of solar panels, gas, energy producing products will..

What part of this is a modified wind system don't most of you understand. Instead of the wind you use a electric motor to turn it.
It is meant to reduce your power cost for mining not supply the world with power.

Instead of paying 400+ a month for power I am paying around 35 for the same amount of power. If people want to pay full price
for their electric use then that's ok too.

Electric motors are not energy sources.  It needs power from somewhere to operate it which is not free.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_motor



That's why the topic name was changed to satisfy everyone. As stated this is to reduce your power cost and if you want totally free loopback the motor or use a separate wind or solar system to run the electric motor.

sounds like someone scammed you into thinking you can save a lot of money by buying their battery and alternators.  Or your trying to scam others with very poor electrical know how.

In physics and chemistry, the law of conservation of energy states that the total energy of an isolated system remains constant; it is said to be conserved over time. This law means that energy can neither be created nor destroyed; rather, it can only be transformed or transferred from one form to another.

How is running a motor 24x7 which produces heat (wasted energy)  to charge a bank of batteries using a generator and then converting to 110 or 220 via an inverter that also wastes energy more efficient than the elec company..

Show us a video.

Indeed in the laws of physics, it sounded quite impossible to happen. Save the cost, of course, become the goal of many people in the mine. but when suggesting things that don't even make sense like this it will be impressed as a stupid hoax.

spending 12 kwatts from the power company to run a motor that creates mechanical energy can be done

so the spindle of that motor moves at 1750 rpm

I believe this part.

and I have a source of mechanical energy ie  rotating spindle

a few pulleys to attach it to a pwm wind generator that  claims to do  2000 watts dc  at a 42 mph wind.

that could be possible.

but  will the spindle of your power company power motor rotate that pwm generator fast enough to make 2000 watts.

will the pwm generator see the spindle as a 42 mile an hour wind?

take the mechanical energy and discharge it as 2000 watts.

ie put 5 kwatts in and take 24 kwatts out each day.

well  first off even if that pwm generator can do  2000 watts of power  do 2000 x .9 x .9 = about 1600 watts and x .9 = 1440 watts


so  putting in 500 watts gives 1440 watts out.  I am not so sure about this.

but  the concept  would be  a varation of this

http://sumanasart.blogspot.com/2015_05_01_archive.html
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-J__4YOfzomk/VWWnIxaPjsI/AAAAAAAAARw/EXhplcbZWeU/s1600/multiple_pulley.jpg


in each case the pull at the start is the same but the lift at the end is increased.

and this works.

I have an issue since a car alternator/gen  gets spun quickly over 2000 rpm on a highway

and the pwm gen gets spun at 1750 rpm   i don't think it will give 2000 watts of power.


here is an example of using a car generator.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aJ0tO1vEok

the secret sauce is the permanent magnet generator, neodymium magnet style...right?

harnessing the power of magnets? magnet's "magnetic" power is free...while running the PMG from external source, the magnets creates an extra push?

so you are saying that.. that "extra push" is thousands of kilowatts?


I've seen a flywheel put an extra push but it wasn't that great...it was maybe 4-5 feet in diameter and very heavy..so I am skeptical that these magnets can push thousands of watts more..


to make things more simple to analyze, why not just make this..

example..

AC outlet---->100w electric motor---->PMG generator----> how many watts is this ?

The inverter is 15kw-60kw output which is enough to run many miners.
(This same amount of electric on a home line would cost you hundreds of dollars per month)

The generator head produces 2000 watts of 24vdc then uses the inverter to convert the 24vdc@2000 watts back into 15-60kw 115/220vac useable power.

If you have enough to spare you could run the electric motor from the inverter also which would then create a loop and run 100% free.

Your answer is up to 2000 watts

You are using 120vac @ 5 amps for the motor then the generator to push 24vdc at up to 2000 watts output which is 83 amps of 24v charging power for charging batteries. The batteries and inverter does the rest of the up-conversion to the higher voltage and wattage using sinewave technology. End result up to 60kw. The PMG is rewound internally to produce higher voltage/wattage at low rpm speeds. In the end it comes to the magnets, the windings, and the drag of the magnets in the generator that determines the maximum amperage output. The windings play the biggest role in it all in my opinion.

 ;D ;D ;D ;D

you insert 2kw it exits 60kw  ;D , i hope it's true but i dont think so

This is interesting, I mean an exhaust fan 1750rpm 150 watts could in theory throw a huge mount of air around 6500 m³/h or 110 cfm and if there was a turbine motor, could it run it? I mean making electricity, from wasting electricity, the question is, will be worth it? I would say no cause there are no reports of people who successfully achieved or maybe they achieved and never came here to tell hehe, the only way to find out is try it and it will be a very expensive test.

Also about the topic in hand, the op said it worked, did it? If it worked for him, good, now I wonder what is he gaining to come here and tell his secret? If he wants to help great but make sure he will face a lot of angry miners who for many years spent thousands of dollars paying the electricity provider ehhe, so, op, make a video and upload to youtube and link here. I'm sure it will get a lot of views.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFW686_B8KY

really?

This thread is hilarious. I think it belongs in a "BitcoinTalk Comedy Hall of Fame" section.

Here's a guy turning a turbine generator with a 1.5 hp motor..  bad results

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0i6PBBcrwF0

I like this who show how to produce magnetic elec with a simple fan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sAJzjJ6ujE

If you have enough to spare you could run the electric motor from the inverter also which would then create a loop and run 100% free.

First I'm not a electrician but since I started mining I always wondered when I seen thoose 2000-3000w converter's is that it can take 12v battery and convert it into 2000w of 110 which is enough to run a rig or 2 so the question is how many batteries would you need to run it all day and whats the cheapest way of charging them just wondering also if this works and you have it setup post some pics or a video please



  

Basic Electrics : P = I*V, power = current*volt

You can scale up 12v to 120v no problem. And with beefy equipment you can even handle a large power load. But when coming from a battery, It won’t last long. You’ll deplete the battery quickly. All you have to do it look at the Wh (watt-hr) rating of the battery to estimate how long until it’s empty

Cheapest way to charge them, long term, would be to invest in a large >2000w solar setup. Very expensive upfront, but on a long enough timeline it’ll become cheaper than paying from the outlet. But we’re talking timelines of many years.

I just noticed this gem on the first page and it reminded me of images like this

https://i2.wp.com/free-energi.com/1_06.jpg

Guys seriously. Just let this thread die. You can’t just use what is essentially an alternator to generate more power than you put in.

If you could. Everyone would just disconnect their house power. Hook up their handy dandy 100w motor to drive an alternator which would in turn power their house. But guess what. No one does that because it doesn’t fucking work.

Conservation of energy.

Notice how the OP has not posted any pictures or videos of his own setup outside of a diagram done up by his 4 year old son in Microsoft Paint. Cause it doesn’t fucking work and it doesn’t exist.

Im not out to satisfy you or anyone with pictures and videos, I put it out there for who wants to use it. Its called off-grid electric go look it up. An alternator don't work unless you have 1 hp per 700watts of power you are converting. the alternator has too much drag when running unless the internals are rewound for easier turning.

When it gets warmer I will get under my crawlspace where it is setting and get you a picture or two. If you want I can go into the shed now and put together a smaller system which consists of  2 inverters, 2 batteries, and a battery charger and show you how you can loop the circuit to run itself but even then you would say it cant be done so why waste my time.

Basic Electrics : P = I*V, power = current*volt

You can scale up 12v to 120v no problem. And with beefy equipment you can even handle a large power load. But when coming from a battery, It won’t last long. You’ll deplete the battery quickly. All you have to do it look at the Wh (watt-hr) rating of the battery to estimate how long until it’s empty

Cheapest way to charge them, long term, would be to invest in a large >2000w solar setup. Very expensive upfront, but on a long enough timeline it’ll become cheaper than paying from the outlet. But we’re talking timelines of many years.

1. Off the grid electric doesn’t use on-the-grid electric to power it, genius.
2. You are using mechanical energy (the motor) and converting it to electrical energy. That’s an alternator. No one is saying you are literally taking an alternator off of a car. But it’s the same type of device.
3. You won’t take pics because you don’t have this and you’re full of shit.

Troll harder.

Your a troll I started the information thread your the one coming on here lookin for something different apparently.

I know off-grid don't use home power to run fucking idiot, it uses wind or solar in this setup we are replacing the wind with a low power usage electric motor to do what the wind would normally do. A PMG is not the same device the insides have been rewound to generate better power with the least amount of energy to do so (normally wind in this case an electric motor.)

If you want to pay full electric price the go ahead I am not forcing anyone to build this or anything else and in the future anything I do wont be put out on this forum because all that I am finding here is a bunch of ungrateful assholes and only a few who cant hold a conversation like a grown man.

Even the firmware images for the Z9 and mini's it has been nothing but assholes commenting.

You’re*

The only other scenario is that you’re really this stupid, just set this up, and haven’t received your first electric bill yet, not realizing that this setup would use more electricity than just running everything off the wall in the first place.

LOL.

ELECTRIC COMPANIES HATE THIS MAN. SEE HOW HE REDUCED HIS POWER BILL BY 95% WITH THIS ONE SIMPLE TRICK!

I bet your Facebook profile says you went to college at the School of Hard Knocks

Actually I am smarter then you apparently. I know many different felids electronics is the main one, microcontrollers, and computer systems, as well as a few other fields I am very well at. I am sorry you lack the intelligence to figure things out in this form and when you don't understand the only thing you know to do is try and belittle someone.

Thanks for your input and the ignorance will be noted. Have a nice day

So smart that you can’t even differentiate the proper use of then/than or your/you’re. Right.

I’m an Electrical Subsystem engineer with NASA. So yeah. You’re full of shit.

Still can’t figure out how to use “you’re” properly huh? LOL

No. Being the engineer I am is why I know it won’t work.

You can’t power a motor from the wall, to drive a motor into low voltage back through an inverted and somehow generate more energy than you’re putting in. It doesn’t work that way. You will output LESS energy than you put in because of the losses through the motor, and inverter and every other component since nothing is 100% efficient.

I’m right. You’re just an idiot who got scammed and haven’t received your first power bill yet.

There’s no free lunch. The “way it should be done” is either move somewhere with cheaper electric, or invest in solar and wait 10-20 years for the investment to pay off.

The whole fucking point of this system is it will cut your cost down no matter how you want to claim it wont if you have a larger mining system NOT give you free electric.

P.T. Barnum really was right

LOL.


no, it won't. that's the "whole fucking point" that everyone is trying to tell you. but you're too stupid to realize it and listen to people smarter than you.

your proposal claims to give more energy out than you're putting in (mind those your/you're there ;) ). that is not possible no matter what kind of nonsense you spout.

OP,

You seem to have done a lot of work on this.

A question for you.

The 8.0 ATS inverter specifications (on the amazon link) say that the efficiency is 90%.

Can you explain what this means?

What you’re forgetting is the RATE of energy transfer.

It’s one thing to saw that your battery will provide 3600W of power. But for how long?? If you don’t charge the batteries at the same rate that you discharge them. They will go dead and you will be out of power.

No fucking way will a 500W input charge batteries to support at 60kW load.

This is basic shit. And you still don’t understand it. But keep replying and making yourself look dumb. Please.

No 500 watts alone wont charge it at the right rate but if you use that 500 watts to turn a generator that gives you 2000watts then you can keep up with everything. You following me now....I never said the conversion was a one-step but in different stages you can achieve the savings.

Not for hydro, gas engine, electric motor coupled use.

no. no one is following you because you're spouting nonsense.

if you put 500w into that generator, you get <500 out. not 2000.

gsrcrxsi314 where do I buy you a beer?

Your not directly but with the pullies you can.

you can achieve both speed and torque with pullies

HAHAHAHAHAHA

oh and pulleys*

They do make a pully kit..  

http://mwands.com/store/fan-and-single-pulley-for-permanent-magnet-generators-alternators

get a PMG, a pully kit and hook it up to a motor.. see if it can keep a battery bank charged with some rigs attached to it..

so wouldn't be that hard to test this out for yourselves.

Yes, seems to go against conventional teachings, but there's a reason you are here.  crypto..

seems like it would be LOUD.. how much sound does your setup make..

They do make a pully kit..  

http://mwands.com/store/fan-and-single-pulley-for-permanent-magnet-generators-alternators

get a PMG, a pully kit and hook it up to a motor.. see if it can keep a battery bank charged with some rigs attached to it..

so wouldn't be that hard to test this out for yourselves.

Yes, seems to go against conventional teachings, but there's a reason you are here.  crypto..

seems like it would be LOUD.. how much sound does your setup make..

i see chipless created a new account to circle jerk himself LOLOLOL.

guys (guy) let me break it down for you. if what you were saying was possible, everyone would just run their whole house on something like this. it would be too good to pass up. no one would be paying normal rates for their electric ever again. why are billions of people paying normal electric rates when they could power their whole house from a lowly 500w motor? hell why stop there, whey not use a 100w motor to drive that 500w motor and save even MORE! oh man, i just had another thought. why don't you drive that 100w motor with a 10w motor?!?! the sky is the limit here!!!!!

but oh wait, no one does this, because its not possible.

i see chipless created a new account to circle jerk himself LOLOLOL.

guys (guy) let me break it down for you. if what you were saying was possible, everyone would just run their whole house on something like this. it would be too good to pass up. no one would be paying normal rates for their electric ever again. why are billions of people paying normal electric rates when they could power their whole house from a lowly 500w motor? hell why stop there, whey not use a 100w motor to drive that 500w motor and save even MORE! oh man, i just had another thought. why don't you drive that 100w motor with a 10w motor?!?! the sky is the limit here!!!!!

but oh wait, no one does this, because its not possible.

i see chipless created a new account to circle jerk himself LOLOLOL.

guys (guy) let me break it down for you. if what you were saying was possible, everyone would just run their whole house on something like this. it would be too good to pass up. no one would be paying normal rates for their electric ever again. why are billions of people paying normal electric rates when they could power their whole house from a lowly 500w motor? hell why stop there, whey not use a 100w motor to drive that 500w motor and save even MORE! oh man, i just had another thought. why don't you drive that 100w motor with a 10w motor?!?! the sky is the limit here!!!!!

but oh wait, no one does this, because its not possible.

There are people who run their whole house like this living off-grid

there's exactly 0 people running their house like this. how are they living off the grid when this whole setup requires grid power? you don't think too well do ya?

put up or shut up. show pics or video of this exact setup powering a house and providing more power than they are putting into it, without wind or solar to supplement it.

your missing the point if you want to run this free then put a prop on your wind turbine it then becomes free this system is replacing the prop with an electric motor to reduce the power cost not to make it free instead of driving the wind generator with wind you are driving it with an electric motor

you can't replace 2000w of wind power with 500w of electric power and expect the same output.

i'm still not seeing any proof provided here. i wonder why? :)

I didnt know the wind contained watts. I did know it uses energy in the form of movement and in a tornado the wind can be circular until it runs out of energy. But never knew it contained watts.

you don't seem to know a lot of things....

1W = 1J/s. it's literally energy per second.

next you'll tell us that you didn't know wind had energy.  :D :D :D

and now you've proven you're trolling.

that's all folks! glad no one else will be stupid enough to try this.

I see this.

http://mwands.com/store/freedom-ii-hydro-pmg-permanent-magnet-generator?search=hydro

900 rpms  to charge at 48v  and is rated for 2800 watts the electric 1/4 hp motor does 1750 rpms

I just so happen to have a 48v golf cart next to 4 mining rigs running on a 230v PDU consuming 13.3 amps (~3000 watts)..  would be pretty easy to test this..

Planning on adding solar / wind eventually so will use components for that..

I see this.

http://mwands.com/store/freedom-ii-hydro-pmg-permanent-magnet-generator?search=hydro

900 rpms  to charge at 48v  and is rated for 2800 watts the electric 1/4 hp motor does 1750 rpms

I just so happen to have a 48v golf cart next to 4 mining rigs running on a 230v PDU consuming 13.3 amps (~3000 watts)..  would be pretty easy to test this..

Planning on adding solar / wind eventually so will use components for that..

atleast you comprehend if you look at the chart in the link you posted you will see in the picture the wind speed to power conversion now convert that wind speed to rpm and you will know at what rpm the generator will need to spin at to get the desired output wattage at its rated voltage you will need approximately 47 mph wind speed to produce 2000 watts convert 47 mph to rpm and use an electric motor with a pulley drive ratio to achieve that rpm for example a motor with 1725 rpm at 1 to 3 would result in 5175 rpm

Spoilers: chipless works at a major battery manufacturer

Your not directly but with the pullies you can.

Or a mental asylum.


What do you think your pulleys/gears/whatevers do? They balance speed and torque, you don't magically get more power at the other end.

You are not applying 500w you are using 500w to turn the motor which in return is creating the rotational speed of 1750 rpm.

So i am applying 500w of rotational speed that is then converted to the equivelent of 47 mph wind with a pulley

For example, if the rotational speed is 100 rpm, enter "100." Multiply this number by 60 to convert it from feet per minute to feet per hour. Divide this number by 5,280, which converts feet per hour to miles per hour. Push the equal sign to see the speed in mph.

I want to ask and i already said that an extractor of air that consumes 150 watts has 1750rpm. How is that different from consuming 500 watts instead of 150 watts? As I see what we need is 1750 rpm right to give air blowing speed of 47mph?

also to convert rpm to mph, https://sciencing.com/convert-rpm-mph-calculator-2854.html


Using that webpage to calculate it, it gave me the number of 20 mph, 1750 x 60 =105.000, divide by 5280 = 19.88 mph.

I'm still not getting it...

So, your motor and generator can provide 2000 W...

This 2000 W is available to power the inverter and charge the batteries...

The inverter is 90% efficient...

If it is consuming the entire 2000 W available then at 90% efficiency it is only making 1800 W for the mining rig.

You didnt take into account the pulley ratio of 1:4.5 we are not building a direct drive unit

The 1750 rpm is the starting point for the rpm the 1:4.5 pulley ratio turns your 1750 rpm into 7875 rpm which is then enough to power the generator at full power.

A simple bathroom fan dont have enough torque that is why you use a bigger motor that does have some torque to it and if it uses 5 amps great if it uses 10 amps ok and so on.

The goal is to use the least amount of energy to get the 7875 rpm needed to turn the generator head.

The belt surface speed needs to be at 7875 rpm which is equivalent to a 47 mph wind. Now you have 83 amps of charging power instead of 500 watts of charging power that you initially started with.

In theory and how you explained makes sense but if it does exactly how you say is something else.

I'm still not getting it...

So, your motor and generator can provide 2000 W...

This 2000 W is available to power the inverter and charge the batteries...

The inverter is 90% efficient...

If it is consuming the entire 2000 W available then at 90% efficiency it is only making 1800 W for the mining rig.

In theory and how you explained makes sense but if it does exactly how you say is something else.

This idiot keeps saying all you need to do is keep the batteries charged.

If you are discharging the batteries at a rate of 60kW, the batteries have to be charged by at least 60kW. Yes, I agree if you have a 60kW generator like this one http://www.generac.com/Industrial/products/diesel-generators/configured/60kw-diesel-generator and hook some batteries up to it, you can put out 60kW of electricity. According to this article: https://www.ablesales.com.au/blog/diesel-generator-fuel-consumption-chart-in-litres.html a 60kW generator will require 4.25 gallons of Diesel per hour. Diesel is generally $3/gal, so you're looking at $13/hr in Diesel.

That gives you 21 cents per kWh. That's well more expensive than grid electricity. Any electricity you're not inputting from a generator, you're inputting from the grid. There is no configuation of battery/generator/grid/converter/alternator/whatever that gets around this middle school fact. Seriously, you're talking to people with science degrees with absolutely no knowledge of what you're saying. If you're happy paying a diesel bill rather than an electric bill, good for you. But it's not cheaper, so just fucking stop.

God, I tried to not bite with you trolls, just trying to get a rise out of people with a middle school education, but these days its really hard to tell if people aren't literally as stupid as you. You do realize that in his case, he's capturing the wind energy? What energy do you think you're capturing? Why don't we just go a step further and use a motor to actually drive a gear that turns your motor, charging a battery which powers the motor turning it? Perpetual energy solved! My guess is this moron forgot that these sort of motors have resistance, and you have to put in AT LEAST as much energy to overcome that resistance as any energy you could potentially get out of the motor.

Really? That's funny, I have a Master's in Science from Purdue University, what dumbshit non accredited school would give a halfwit like you a piece of paper? Please enlighten us so we can make damn sure to avoid sending our children there.

popcorning right now

Me too.

I tried not to bite as well, but here goes. A simple question.

Why don't you connect one of these contraptions to power two more? Then each of one those to two more. And so on. Infinite energy! Right?

i see chipless created a new account to circle jerk himself LOLOLOL.

guys (guy) let me break it down for you. if what you were saying was possible, everyone would just run their whole house on something like this. it would be too good to pass up. no one would be paying normal rates for their electric ever again. why are billions of people paying normal electric rates when they could power their whole house from a lowly 500w motor? hell why stop there, whey not use a 100w motor to drive that 500w motor and save even MORE! oh man, i just had another thought. why don't you drive that 100w motor with a 10w motor?!?! the sky is the limit here!!!!!

but oh wait, no one does this, because its not possible.

Yea clearly. This guy is an absolute case study in the Dunning-Kruger effect.

For mr rocket scientist you have not given 1 good point to why this doesnt work when others are also using similar systems. Only powered by wind or solar. The motor is our wind ....

I don't get why you keep glossing over the fact that the wind would be supplying 2000 W effective power

Please contact a mod. I dare you. I think you won’t like the results. :)

I’ve given plenty of reasons why this won’t work. The biggest is that to get 2000w out of the generator, will require >2000w input. A 500w motor cannot do 2000w of work. This is simple math.

The input shaft has resistance. And the faster you spin it, the. More resistance there is.

Adding pulleys to the motor to increase speed, will result in a loss of torque, which will bog the motor down preventing the RPM you desire.

You’re full of shit and anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together can see it

I don't get why you keep glossing over the fact that the wind would be supplying 2000 W effective power

Wow. He’s actually serious.

I take back all the mean things I said, it’s not cool to make fun of the mentally handicapped.

Good job little buddy?

No its not me.


I will ask 1 more time the non-believers refrain from your stupid comments if it continues I will ask the moderator to ban you. Enough is enough this thread was put here for informational purposes not for some dickheads to act like a know it all and post shit that does not give any explanation as to exactly why off-grid power does not work. Look outside your box if you can because there is a world outside also not just in your little box mind..

Apparently you do not understand and are looking thru a fogged window there are some who do understand and are willing to follow the process. This thread is here for them not for you to flap your gums about shit that dont make sense to you.

For mr rocket scientist you have not given 1 good point to why this doesnt work when others are also using similar systems. Only powered by wind or solar. The motor is our wind ....

Hahahaha my ghad why lot of people doesn't understand your point. The OP was just trying to replace a windmill by an industrial motor to act as a prime mover of a Generator. As simple as that.

Another thing you are forgetting is you are not draining the batteries 100% you are keeping the charge full and maintained.

And no you cant directly measure the wind in watts wind is measured in velocity which converted into energy the energy force which is used to generate electrical watts. With a average wind of 10 mph it is enough force to produce 100 watts with certain turbines and so on. Therefore the watts is really wind velocity and is not usable electric unless converted in some form or fashion

we know what he's saying. we're just saying he's wrong about the expected outcome.

he wants to replace 2000W of wind power with 500W of electrical power. and he expects the same 2000W output. that wont happen. he certainly can hook a 500w electric motor to the thing, but he wont get 2000W out the other end of the generator, he'll get less than 500. 

But what your missing is that we only need speed and a little torque. If we use a 1:1 pulley ratio then no you wont get shit but start gearing it right and you do get the speed and torque needed to push the generator at full rpm. and that speed can be produced with only 500 watts  consumption from the wall. That is like saying a drill press can spin the bit at higher rpm then the motor is running at. But if you change the gearing or pulley in most cases then the bit spins faster you lose some torque unless you have a bigger motor but in the end your bit is faster.

what's even more funny is that his "small" test in the second video was pulling more than 600W from the wall.

the car charger was the only thing plugged into the wall outlet. he had is set to 50A charge. nevermind the fact that he incorrectly says that's 50A on the 110VAC side (which would blow his breaker immediately if true). it's really pushing 50A to the 12V side. P=IV. P=(50)(12) = 600W. i can't imagine that rusty 1980's car battery charger is all that efficient. so more like 700+W from the wall. all to power a single hashing board on the ASIC.

Good job little buddy. such efficiency. such power saving. 

Then use a fucking bigger motor if your worried about speed and torque a bigger motor just reduces your saving a little bit but in the end you are still saving a lot of money

Better look again the charger is plugged into the inverter with the output looped back to the battery, nothing is plugged into the wall

Both the charger and miner are plugged into the inverter

I nominate this thread for Batshit Crazy Scam of the Year 2019, pretty sure it'll stay top tier for the rest of the year.

So you are trying to say is that I need a 4 hp electric motor (120vac@18amp) to get enough rpm and torque to get 7875 rpm on the PMG?

Your fucking crazy that would be way overkill for a motor when you can get enough speed and torque with a lot less power. I can run a dam car alternator on a 3hp motor and that has so much magnetic drag you couldnt hardly turn it by hand a PMG has very little drag.

Even if you think its true who cares if it cost you 2200w to put out 10kw + your still saving money

My 2200w gas generator direct drive uses less power then that it uses 98cc and again id like to see you turn it by hand

Again I must be doing something right because I am running my machines very well this is just 1 Z9 fullsize

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Reported. Get off our forums. No body wants you contributing your fucking trash. Go post in 4chan or something.

Reported. Get off our forums. No body wants you contributing your fucking trash. Go post in 4chan or something.

Reported again for saying you provided proof of violating conservation of energy. Everyone stop responding, just report. Ban this fucking piece of trash.

Your the pos in violation you are harassing another member just because you dont like my information and you are jealous or something because I can afford ASIC miners and you are stuck with gpu rigs

Will the new version support these features for 4 ASIC boards hooked to the Z9, I ask because I went in on a unit with 2 other guys and we split the boards

You’re*

And no one is jealous of the asic that you don’t even fully own. You and like 2-3 other guys all chipped in to buy one according to your posts lol.

LOL I own every one of them.... But remember I am full of shit thats not a Z9

I edited my post with your original post saying you split the cost of an asic. Nice try poor guy.  

For those of you just joining, this moron thinks you can do this:

Since, according to the author, the battery isn't actually being charged or drained, what he's really saying is hook an inverter up to a car battery charger and hook the car battery charger back up to the inverter, and not only do they power eachother in perpetuity but they also put out extra power to power a miner! Wow!

...

Next thing he's going to sell us, is an electric fan blowing at a wind generator that powers the electric fan!

Nah, this isn't how it works! You will get too much power conversion loss using a fan to blow air to power the wind turbine. What you need to do instead is use the free power to feed a bunch of quartz spotlights and point them directly at solar panels which in-turn is used to feed the battery!!! Whoa-la, free power baby!!!

Here is a smaller Hydro setup now you tell me why this wont work. It is enough to run 1 or 2 miners and fine unless there was component failure or you forgot to fill it with water. And if you say it wont work your full of it I install these at lakehomes for dock lighting and charging boat batteries....different design of course but all the same setup instead of a tank I use the lake water where it never runs out. Specs can vary depending on the inverters specifications

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OkYL4cw670I9T2is6csLTI147IwnxjFh/view?usp=sharing

He has no clue how much he’s pulling from the wall or what they miner is using. No watt meters. And he’s only been running it for 6 days.

He’s in for a surprise when the first month’s electric bill is due and it’s not any cheaper lol.

In your latest example (I'm going to refrain from making fun of your mental illness), it won't work because a 48W water pump can only pump water with up to 48W of energy. That 48W of energy can not turn a 2000W generator. You COULD potentially hook up about 100 of these water pumps, and if they are VERY efficient could POTENTIALLY turn a 2000W generator, but you're spending 5000W to do it.

You must be dumb then because 60-100 psi of water has more energy then wind. A creek or river can turn the PGM. You all aparently dont understand the PGM's

There are hundreds of people use the PGM and a creek or river for off-grid power

So much wrong with this lol. I’m sure it might run a couple LEDs and a battery trickle charger. But it ain’t gonna run thousands of watts of load.

Second error you say “30 amp draw will last 1 day, providing 2000w of power”

Do you even math? 30 amps at 12V is 360W. And you aren’t charging back up at 30a so all you’re doing is draining the battery

PSI means nothing without flow rate.

A 48W pump ain’t moving enough water to generate that kind of PSI or flow rate.

48W is about equivalent to the kind of power generated by 2 normal PC watercooling pumps. Laing D5s

a 3 mph current will turn the PGM so 60 psi or a garden hose will turn it maybe you need to look more into the windings of the PGM and its specs some more before you keep making yourself look like a fool. The pgm will produce 24vdc at 266 rpm low amp but the higher rpm the output is higher amperage.

Your so fucking stupid it was an example cant you look outside of your pea brain. Your stuck on stupid. I know how much power my motor uses per hour based on the motors rating 120v@5 amps thats how much power I am using. The motor can only pull that or slightly over as long as it is not overloaded to a point where you burn it out or trip a breaker.

30a per hour is 800 ah in 1 day

i'm basing it on your given diagram. which says nothing about using a creek or household water lines as you are implying now. your diagram shows a 12v, 4 amp pump. which is 48 watts. which is not enough to do what you are claiming.

everyone here sees who the moron is lol. and it's the OP of this thread.

Reported again for saying you provided proof of violating conservation of energy. Everyone stop responding, just report. Ban this fucking piece of trash. Your logic/justifications/proof have been thoroughly fucking ripped apart at every step, and your logical fallacies, circular arguments, and fake pseudoscience and snakeoil salespitches are exhausting and need to be removed from this forum and this site.

Nothing has been proven wrong with my design. The only thing is some guy copy and pasting from google while living in his moms basement claiming to be a NASA scientist who has contradicted himself numerous time in his posts. I am not selling anything either.

You must not be able to read because no one said it was free energy its a way to reduce energy costs.  You cant even get that straight go design some diapers.

except this parking lot is inside the gates with armed guards requiring credentials to get it. so yeah LOL. good luck trying to get on base to even get to this lot if you dont work here.

you're looking at building 29 of over 30 different buildings at this facility.

gee this looks familiar: https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/servicing/SM4/multimedia/1_BldgNineHST.html

your claim: ability to provide 60,000W of power, while only using 500W from the wall. right?

we've established that 1 watt = 1 joule per second.

1 joule is a measure of energy.

that means you are claiming to provide 60,000 joules of energy every second, while only providing 500 joules of energy into the system every second.

60,000 - 500 = 59,500 joules of energy netted from your process every second. "free"

where does that energy come from?

this is why what you are saying is not possible and why you are claiming to have free energy. anything less than 60,000W input is impossible to get 60,000W output. and thats in a perfect system, which the world is not, there are always losses.

you get no free lunch. enjoy your $400 electric bill next month.

I really dont care who or what you do you are still the one who is wrong that it cant be done to save you energy. I will get you some more videos to show you how wrong you are as far as my power consumption I know pretty close to how much power the electric motor will use based on the specs and it sure aint 18 amps of 12vac to power the motor as you are trying to claim.

No one claimed 60kw it was said the inverters max is 60kw get your facts straight do you know what "up to" means?

Next time to just satisfy you I will use a 3000 watt inverter for the examples. Will that make you happy and quit whining like a little bitch.
I gave a plan and parts list and also said things can be changed to suit your needs.

It shows you cant fucking read aparently. We are a forum not a fucking NASA I am an engineer lab.

https://i.imgur.com/ptao9oj.jpg?1

who are you going to believe, the guy who studied and trained in this field for NASA satellites? or the podunk backwoods guy who thinks he invented free energy?

you decide.

ok then.

your claim: ability to provide 3000W of power, while only using 500W from the wall. right?

we've established that 1 watt = 1 joule per second.

1 joule is a measure of energy.

that means you are claiming to provide 3000 joules of energy every second, while only providing 500 joules of energy into the system every second.

3000 - 500 = 2500 joules of energy netted from your process every second. "free"

where does that energy come from?

I am not going to keep going back and forth with you enough people have shown interest by message, you stated your theory now leave it and let others decide if they want to try it. You are not their mother and dont need to control what others may want to try.

This thread was put here to share information not for you and a couple other people to harass the members. Most of you who made negative comments have probably never designed or put something together other then your plastic toys and use google for everything.

Dear Chipless,

Can you please let us all know which companies you used to work for? 

This way we will know NEVER to use them.

I barely graduated high school and even I know this doesn't work just from sitting in physics class.

Could you please tell us from which college so we can avoid sending our children there wasting our money??

This is the pump he's using in his example:
https://www.amazon.com/Seaflo-100PSI-Self-priming-Diaphragm-Pump/dp/B0166UBJX4/

100PSI, 12V, 5amp.

More importantly 5L/min flow rate. This is the one that can power a hydroelectric generator!

100 PSI = 689476 Pa
5L/min = 8.33 * 10^-5 m^3/s

689,476 Pa * 8.33 * 10-5 m^3/s = 57.45 J/s

a 60W pump puts out water at (advertised) 57W. WOW who woulda thunk!!


Can you at least have the decency to agree that a water pump cant produce water with greater energy than the pump is consuming? You know, like the simple math above? Of course not, you're just going to ramble on about your shitty ms paint pics and calling people names because you mistake your autism for intelligence.
 

Could you please tell us from which college so we can avoid sending our children there wasting our money??

This is the pump he's using in his example:
https://www.amazon.com/Seaflo-100PSI-Self-priming-Diaphragm-Pump/dp/B0166UBJX4/

100PSI, 12V, 5amp.

More importantly 5L/min flow rate. This is the one that can power a hydroelectric generator!

100 PSI = 689476 Pa
5L/min = 8.33 * 10^-5 m^3/s

689,476 Pa * 8.33 * 10-5 m^3/s = 57.45 J/s

a 60W pump puts out water at (advertised) 57W. WOW who woulda thunk!!


Can you at least have the decency to agree that a water pump cant produce water with greater energy than the pump is consuming? You know, like the simple math above? Of course not, you're just going to ramble on about your shitty ms paint pics and calling people names because you mistake your autism for intelligence.
 

I am not going to keep going back and forth with you enough people have shown interest by message, you stated your theory now leave it and let others decide if they want to try it. You are not their mother and dont need to control what others may want to try.

This thread was put here to share information not for you and a couple other people to harass the members. Most of you who made negative comments have probably never designed or put something together other then your plastic toys and use google for everything.

Why don't you just do this?
https://imgur.com/a/MhVZSzT

It seems obvious to me that if your first claim is true, that you could easily add multiple units of your setup in series, and each one would need less original input. Maybe you'd need more than two sets in series to get down to a 9v battery to power a tiny motor and the actual kit would be smaller but I've only made the motor smaller in this image. You simply need a tiny battery to power a small alternator/inverter to provide the small amount of power needed to drive your original setup.

Now I think about it, what the hell are these electricity companies doing building these large wind generators. Surely they could use a combination of your design and mine, and power it from one of these https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/toy-windmill-beach-blue-white-57747793.jpg

Why don't you just do this?
https://imgur.com/a/MhVZSzT

It seems obvious to me that if your first claim is true, that you could easily add multiple units of your setup in series, and each one would need less original input. Maybe you'd need more than two sets in series to get down to a 9v battery to power a tiny motor and the actual kit would be smaller but I've only made the motor smaller in this image. You simply need a tiny battery to power a small alternator/inverter to provide the small amount of power needed to drive your original setup.

Now I think about it, what the hell are these electricity companies doing building these large wind generators. Surely they could use a combination of your design and mine, and power it from one of these https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/toy-windmill-beach-blue-white-57747793.jpg

more moronic posts from someone that doesn't understand energy.

RE: the youtube video showing "4 ways to charge phone with free energy"

1. dc motors hooked together. energy was input to the system by him spinning it, that mechanical energy was added. he didnt show it spinning for more than a few seconds at a time. and voltage output would be very low and would never charge the phone perpetually, which is why he didnt show more than a few seconds, since the energy inputted would be wasted on the losses and little circuit he added to it. i'm betting it stopped after a few seconds.

2. wheel riding on a bike. not free energy at all. the energy was input himself by turning the bike wheel. not much else to say here.

3. magnets. this is just fake. and similar to scenario 1, will stop eventually. go ahead and try it yourself.

4. energy is being pulled from the hot water. will stop once water gets cold. just like scenario 2, it's getting external energy and will require more energy input than you get out of it.

all of these options are incredibly low voltage and power, and never showed it even increasing the charge by 1% on that phone. would never scale up to something like the power requirements of a PC

all of the videos you posted require more energy input than you get out of it. you'll never reduce your energy and wallet cost with these methods. runs on soda? but you have to keep buying soda and aluminum... lol. doesnt exactly reduce your costs.

try harder little buddy.  

except you wont pedal to "start" it. you will have to pedal continuously to keep adding energy. and one person isnt enough to run a miner lol.

For a 47 mph wind simulation yo need only 8.836 f/lb of pressure per square foot. You can get that much out of a small electrical motor and the 7875 rpm needed to spin a PMG with 500w or less of power consumption. The PMG has a set drag  it doesnt increase like a gas generator or alternator does therefore once the torque and rpm is configured nothing should change. A PMG is the same thing as a dynamo and they dont increase drag the drag is the same no matter how fast you turn it.

A couple of you are the stupid ones you have been proven by thousands of people online that there are many different designs to generate needed power for either free or at a price reduction.

Torque Calculations:
We have no Torque figures since Torque is totally a function of LOAD. A PMA with no load requires ZERO torque to turn at a ZERO load. You can't rate PMA's with simple torque figures since "AMPS" or "LOAD" is up to every individual situation and individual people have endless configuration ideas for their
DRIVER and LOAD figures for whatever "Gizmo" they are building.

You don't use megawatts of power for space broadcast. I mean hell, you can pick up moonbounce transmissions sub-1W.

we know, as you wrote in your first post, you personally run that system and power multiple asic from it

it is just such a shame bitmain did not read about it, done it on large scale, so they could avoid so much pollution from the coal power plants

Actually you need to look at there new BitDeer facility it is on a river and you can clearly see the water coming out from the building they may be using Hydro-Generator systems to run that facility you cant see any power lines running to the mountains edge where the facility is located. They may also be using it for liquid cooling

Aww.....You didnt have to do that direct them to make a donation to the wallet on the first post.

Mr Rocket Scientist who works for NASA as a diaper engineer hasn't shown any other form of diagram that shows how it should be. I am sure you know many ways if you are such the NASA Engineer, don't satellites use solar and batteries? So show us how it all works. Don't the batteries stay charged from the solar panels so it can produce megawatts of power for its transmission systems and they run for about 5-15 years that way. They run on free energy great but you only capture so much sunlight in 24 continuous hours to produce megawatts of transmission power. So tell us the power saving trick. Otherwise go back to watching your monitor because you are not in any research and development building your in the operations you don't need to be a genius to work in that building. Microsofts tech support is in an operations building in india so that says what operations buildings are like.

To get on that base all it takes is to talk to the right person. You apparently didn't get that I am a retired contractor and was part of a team which performed Homeland Security threat assessments and my security clearances are still valid. You assume something you don't know all the details to. My part was to evaluate and setup systems that could run in national disasters for everyday people with the least amount of tools, equipment, and so on so yes some of my designs have been verified by more then just a diaper engineer. I dont believe you are suppose to be taking pictures inside the secure area either but I may be wrong. If my memory is right there are 3 or 4 gates to the center and building 29 is over by building 7 and 10. You should have chose Huntsville the weather there is so much better in the winters.

And there lies the scam. He’s making it look like he’s doing something to trick people into donating.

What is its cost?

And there lies the scam. He’s making it look like he’s doing something to trick people into donating.

And there lies the scam. He’s making it look like he’s doing something to trick people into donating.

somebody has a website and materials/parts...the scam is bigger than donations, people will purchase parts and will be charged with labor (installation)..at the end of it all thousands of dollars spent by the unknowing customer, wondering why his electric bill is till huge while staring at his wind turbine scratching his head LOL.

there are scams like water purification that costs thousands of dollars and the unsuspecting customer doesn't know the device installed was a typical 300$ walmart filtration system.

the sales pitch is 90% truth and 10% lies ..works on certain people, not here, even if there are some people here who aren't knowledgeable in electricity there are a lot of people here who do...this is "altcoin mining section" hehe

@chipless

since you show us your miners....show us your electric bill.. i dare you  ;)

Hello miners,

We have discussed solar mining quite a bit over the years. It's a tough ROI to reach when GPUs are ROI quickly, but for some places with high power costs, it's a no-brainer. We have a member of the PiMP OS Beta team, mtayyab, who has a really nice solar-powered mining farm in Pakistan.  He was kind enough to provide a brief explanation as well as some photos, for our rig showcase. Here you can see a mining farm powered by solar in the wild: https://forum.getpimp.org/topic/4915/mtayyab-s-solar-powered-pimp-farm-with-custom-super-frames

He has had some ups and downs with it. Most recently he had to buy an Automatic Voltage Regulator to keep the rigs at a steady voltage. Before installing that, the fluctuations sure were causing some weird behavior!

Hope that you enjoy this and keep up the great work designing these farms!!

~ melt
getpimp.org | miner.farm

This video is a really good video for you to discredit. Quantum energy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-a8QAeCoNU

2100 watts of free power he is getting.

“World Improvement Through The Spirit Ministries”
“Pray about it”
“Give a dollar or 1000 dollars, whatever the Lord is leading you to do”

You didn’t tell us that your machine runs on “thoughts and prayers”, gee that sure changes everything. I can’t imagine why this video from 2009 never caught on and we all aren’t reaping the benefits from this quantum machine that runs on Praying power!  ::) ::) ::)

Taking bets that chipless is also a Flat Earther :D

Id would rather be a flat earther, dumbass, stupid, or whatever childish names you want to call then a low piece of shit like you. Do you realize you offended every disabled veteran and handicapped person with your moronic comments. You sure aint no engineer or scientist or whatever you think you are you are nothing more then a wannabe who if they don't see it your way then they are beneath you. No wonder your wife is screwing the neighbor.

I don't have time or patience to read through all this but I call bs.  Op said "Using an electric motor is no different then the wind driving it."  Well with wind its driving the motor.  What drives it with your system?   Electricity!!  Power just does not come from nowhere.

he thinks an inverter can upscale power LOL

Your so stupid no one said it can upscale it and just because I posted a inverter that can get up to 60kw. The whole design was to be able to upgrade. The inverter is only going to use what you draw from it so a bigger one don't matter but is good for upgrades. I can do one for you with 4 gen heads 1 electric motor and a few more batteries. It that will satisfy your ignorance. If you read it says the inverter etc can be changed to suit your needs. But dickheads like you didn't even give people a chance to ask any questions you just drove them to pm me instead so I don't give a rats ass what you think.

But if you do want to see upscaled power I have one here from IBM that upscales power. Puts out about 90 watts. I can also get you power upconverters as many as you want . The units fit in the palm of your hand and come in a variety of voltage and amperage ratings.

You’re*

You confuse voltage conversion with power conversion.

And you also think that the generator will upscale power. You ain’t getting 2000w out when you’re driving it with a 500w motor. We’ve been over this.

And I’ll pre-emptively give you another you’re*

:D

I'm also not hearing you say you're NOT a flat earther... so there's that

That's right you been over it now shut the hell up and move on. If after 14 pages of your "it cant be done"  there are people who are still interested they have made a decision and how they deal with the information is up to them and if they are not interested in it then so be it if not I don't really care. Either way it was free information. Act like a grown man and get over it

No. No there are not people who are interested. Everyone on the planet who can use a keyboard and navigate to this thread thinks you're mentally handicapped and for mercy's sake are asking you to stop embarassing yourself so publicly. Delete your account. Delete your shitty MSPaint diagrams. Delete your shitty YouTube channel, and start over because you've lost not only any shred of credibility but any semblance of respect from every damn person exposed to this.

Please don't PM chipless if you want to hold onto your funds ;)

You said your opinion now get over it and drop it. I have other items that work and will be released in the near future.

Miner Chiller/Cooler for under $100. Chiller for your miner that rated at 2 amps 120vac and 134a Freon the whole unit is about the size of a Z9 full size and be setup for multiple miners and a liquid cooling system for under $50, same thing can be setup for multiple miners. See I can move on so you should too.

I will and I bet you will say it wont do it wit less than 3 amps ac power. I will post ya a video of the main unit.

https://youtu.be/vtHrdh4mY-M

As soon as the rest of my parts get here I will assemble it and show how it can be expanded for many miners. The main unit is about the size of a Z9.Never said it was free but will run on less than 2 amps ac power

There you go again your such a fuckhead. That's not a AC unit first off and that as was stated is the main unit that uses 1.5-2.0 amps 120vac with a reversing valve for a quick defrost if needed. That's called a Heat Pump not a AC unit.

Now your at the point of all you are doing is harassing another member. Which is against the forum rules since your the upstanding man you claim to be why don't you follow the rules because that's what you like to do follow.

You said your opinion now get over it and drop it. I have other items that work and will be released in the near future.

Miner Chiller/Cooler around $100-$150. Chiller for your miner that rated at 2 amps 120vac and 134a Freon the whole unit is about the size of a Z9 full size and be setup for multiple miners and a liquid cooling system for under $50, same thing can be setup for multiple miners. See I can move on so you should too.

I will and I bet you will say it wont do it wit less than 3 amps ac power. I will post ya a video of the main unit.

https://youtu.be/vtHrdh4mY-M

As soon as the rest of my parts get here I will assemble it and show how it can be expanded for many miners. The main unit is about the size of a Z9.Never said it was free but will run on less than 2 amps ac power

There you go again your such a fuckhead. That's not a AC unit first off and that as was stated is the main unit that uses 1.5-2.0 amps 120vac with a reversing valve for a quick defrost if needed. That's called a Heat Pump not a AC unit.

Now your at the point of all you are doing is harassing another member. Which is against the forum rules since your the upstanding man you claim to be why don't you follow the rules because that's what you like to do follow.

not one for consistency are ya?

so 240W in electricity. wow, you're doing such a service.

you never fail to entertain. What's the BTU-hr rating?

When it is all put together you can see then until then figure it all out, mr rocket scientist who calls a Heat pump a AC unit

Yes 240w will be a service once you see how many miners you can cool with it. The cost is cheaper then liquid coolers for GPU and ASICS and is easily expanded.

Stop flapping the gums and show us what you have to contribute to the mining community. So far you haven't contributed a dam thing but a bunch of gum flapping. Go spend some time with your family...That's right they are at the neighbors visiting their daddy.

well considering 240W = 818 BTU/hr, yeah. wont help much lol.

all real miners know that the most cost effective cooling method is ventilation...

you're not contributing anything here. you're pushing half assed snake oil hoping for a handout to your crypto addresses.

probably something to do with getting all that moisture on their hashblades  8)

probably something to do with getting all that moisture on their hashblades  8)

You and your butt buddy must be related because a AC units help pull the moisture out of the air not add to it. Again neither have even seen it setup to determine what the outcome will be on affecting the efficiency of the miners connected to it. He sure isn't a NASA engineer because he should know that cooler electronics perform better.

If the miner speed can be increased by cooling it and the gain is more then the cost to operate the compressor which is very low cost, then profits can be increased. Simple as that. I guess it depends on how many pennies you want to get out of your miners before they are no longer profitable.

You and your butt buddy must be related because a AC units help pull the moisture out of the air not add to it.

I never said that cooler wasn't beneficial. I said your plan wasn't cost effective. you're increasing your electric use by 20% to get it. when you can get satisfactory cooling by just using ventilation instead, which is what all the big time miner operations do. some ducting to bring outside air to your miners (you mentioned there was snow, so you obviously live in a cold climate) and some fans are all that is needed. and will be cheaper and less complicated.

In warmer climates you cant just vent them and colder climates get warmer in spring and summer. You don't know how efficient it will be because you don't know how it will be setup. I only posted the main compressor unit the rest was never posted so you both are talking out your ass at this point because you don't even know all the facts to the setup. You can cool more then 1 miner with it,  Moisture or heat wont be a problem and wont get anywhere on or in the miner. I bet you guys are running gpu systems or only a couple of miners and don't know the issues with larger scale setups. NASA man is on the internet more then he is working so I am sure he has no job and sits and troll the internet all day.

Here is a simple video of a setup that took me 10 mins to get hooked up.

It explains and somewhat shows how this system saves you money


https://youtu.be/Zz38lK67MLM


https://youtu.be/SM9nArIlS-c

This is the best thread ever! xD

Why the discussion has stopped?!

Btw, obvious improvement is missing - u input 500W and get 2kw, why not short-curcuit the whole thing?
Feed the motor not from the grid but from the output.
This way u will still get 1.5kW output and no need for the grid AC!

And finally perpetuum mobile is achieved.
Btw, conservation of energy is emprirical law, isn't it? Should not be that hard to break ; )

Soon there will be even more farms that are in optimal climatic conditions, for example, where you can use snow cooling or electricity from renewable sources, such as the sun or wind.

Btw, obvious improvement is missing - u input 500W and get 2kw, why not short-curcuit the whole thing?
Feed the motor not from the grid but from the output.
This way u will still get 1.5kW output and no need for the grid AC!

Alternative electricity for mining is very necessary, given the high cost of electricity in some regions of the planet. Solar panels, wind generators, hydro generators, etc. — everything can be adapted for efficient mining. However, the advantage will be on the side of large mining farms, as they can buy this equipment in bulk at discounted prices. Perhaps, small miners should purchase equipment together with other miners to save money, and then earn more on mining cryptocurrency.

Alternative electricity for mining is very necessary, given the high cost of electricity in some regions of the planet. Solar panels, wind generators, hydro generators, etc. — everything can be adapted for efficient mining. However, the advantage will be on the side of large mining farms, as they can buy this equipment in bulk at discounted prices. Perhaps, small miners should purchase equipment together with other miners to save money, and then earn more on mining cryptocurrency.

So you’re sticking a mini AC unit in front of a miner at +20% the electricity cost. Wow. Such amaze. I wonder why all the big mining farms don’t do this?

The inverter is 15kw-60kw output which is enough to run many miners.
(This same amount of electric on a home line would cost you hundreds of dollars per month)

The generator head produces 2000 watts of 24vdc then uses the inverter to convert the 24vdc@2000 watts back into battery bank to help you get up to 15-60kw 115/220vac useable power. Batteries and charging may vary. The more power used more batteries and charging power needed. You can add more generator heads and batteries easily or a larger motor if needed.

This setup will produce a max of 60000 watts of AC electricity rated @55 amps of 110/220vac.

I use 24v batteries but the diagram is setup to use 12v to create your 24v battery bank.

24vdc to 110/220vac Grid/PowerInverter $1000
24V 60000W Peak 15000W LF Split Phase Pure Sine Wave Power Inverter DC 24V to AC 110V&220V 60Hz
https://www.amazon.com/60000W-15000W-Inverter-LCD-Display/dp/B07FTTZV72?ref_=bl_dp_s_web_7490851011

May substitute for any other 24vdc to 110/220vac Power/Grid Inverter select size by how much power you need

24vdc 2000 watt Model PMG Generator $499.00
http://mwands.com/store/freedom-ii-hydro-pmg-permanent-magnet-generator

Batteries $$$ Depends on battery
8x 12vdc 100ah or larger amp hours
or
6x 24vdc 100ah or larger amp hours

USE CAUTION WHEN CONNECTING THE BATTERIES
MAKE SURE BATTERIES HAVE GOOD VENTILATION

Absolutely this man is doing really amazing job and others miners should follow him to get more lowest cost of electricity for mining.

Looking back, I did not want to say anything at that time, it has been some time, somethings he got it right, some wrong. I really wanted the guy to show some proof but I guess nothing yet. In theory if the turbine is not at more than maximum capacity there is no way this will work.

First, negative aspect, there is no need for an inverter of 15kwh to 60kwh since that motor will never output anything close to 3kwh cause the manufactures fully states maximum it can generate is 2.8kwh if turbine is 130%, it must be a super ultra wind to do that.

Second, positive, 8 x 12v 100ah will only give 1200 each battery, 8 x 1200 = 9600*30/100 = 2.8kwh, if the turbine works 24/7 130% which is unlikely depending how he did.

Third, it does not matter what kind voltage you use, the outcome will be the same, I would use 48v on the batteries, 4 x 12v, slim cables.

All in all, this will only work if he can get the turbine to work 130% 24/7. Still waiting for proof.

It doesn’t work. And won’t work. That’s why he hasn’t come back when he got his first electric bill and it wasn’t lower.

You can’t get more energy out than you’re putting in.

As it stands that is very true, however concerning everything, only the 24vdc 2000 watt Model PMG Generator $499.00 at 130% was a hoax in his statement. It doesn't add up. There is no point adding a 3kwh exhaust fan to blow air and get 3khw. Now if you have that 3kwh exhaust fan somewhere, adding the windmill fan turbine will give you some power back, in this case at least 1.5kwh but this is for another topic as this is getting something from wasted energy.

https://www.amazon.com/WINDMILL-Generator-controller-automatic-installation/dp/B01ASNP062?ref_=fsclp_pl_dp_4

No idea if this was mentioned before or not. But with regular cars there is obviously an alternator. This alternator always spins, depending on how much current is needed sometimes there is a load placed so the engine needs to adjust to apply power to be able to spin the alternator.

However when the car is fully warmed up, and the battery is fully charged, then there is a small load on the alternator but this electricity pretty much is wasted, since there is no clutch in the alternator like a AC compressor.

So you can probably power a GPU or 2 with no additional cost in gasoline. No idea if someone tested out this theory before. You can't run an entire rig as you will pull too much current and the alternator will need a higher load which will cause the engine to use more gas.

Absolutely this man is doing really amazing job and others miners should follow him to get more lowest cost of electricity for mining.

Grid tie solar is the only way, you still want to overspec say 50 percent so you have excess power to sell back to utility which offsets your nightly use

Sometimes its better to just pay electricity.

in my opinion, it is not feasible. it will consume more power during the conversion process. i think the best saving strategies are solar and wind energy.

If your theory gets a continuation, then along with electric-cars we will see mining-cars on our roads. It would be cool - you go and earn!

I've also been looking for alternative energy sources. Wind and solar are good, but profitability depends on your geographical location and regular power costs...
These PMGs might be an good solution, but the magnets used to have a relative short life span, after which you needed to "re-magnetize" them.
Do you have a duration estimative for the magnets?
How long do you have your setup working?
Another matter, has anyone tried to make a generator fed by vegetable oil?
cheers  ;D

It wouldn't work with electric cars because the electricity would go to the GPU instead of putting the car on the road. There was a guy who had a Tesla and he put like 6 GPUs inside his Tesla and charged it for free at some charging station, I am not talking about this either.

It was quite effective, it seems that the energy needed will not be sufficient and stable because the weather is not always supportive of the sun. you should think of a spare plan if you need it.

And to install those  alternative energy needs a lot of money and that was another problem too. did he know about how much cost to create a solar panel? to use the alternative energy is not so easy as the people said. that needs a lot of calculation.

It was quite effective, it seems that the energy needed will not be sufficient and stable because the weather is not always supportive of the sun. you should think of a spare plan if you need it.

I think that alternative energy is the future. The profitability of mining depends on the cost of electricity. In addition, the use of alternative energy is more ecological. Therefore, I think that the future is alternative energy.

Gifting my idea - use piezoelectric effect to harvest electric power for mining. It may be suitable for those who are in fitness business and own clubs with fitness machines that can be attached to piezoelectric generators  which in turn charge the batteries for mining, or, you can partnership with such business for mutual benefit. Sure, this requires initial investments, but if you're targeting mining at commercial-scale, money will pay off. Other positive side of this is the possibility to have such alternative electricity literally  in any geographical place.

Would love to see your diagram! It is no longer available to download through provided link