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The history of mankind should learn people smth. But, it is not. Many diseases dissapeared just because of vaccines. But some people forgot about that. They think that it has nothing to do with them. The fear of vaccination is stronger than the fear of death. I'm afraid that many deadly diseases can return someday.

There are so many cases of patients with measles in my country, but it still not encourage most people to vaccinate their children. They think it's a light child disease. And never speak about complications, that they children may have after measles.

How is the situation with vaccination in your country? Why do you think many people against vaccination?

those are muslim extremists or black afriacan racists or potentially future chinese and indian racists/expansionsits that want to "zerg" their enemies other civilisations or what they think of what is the "other"

because they think that vaccination slows down the human population growth, so the african nature and social infrastructure have at least a chance of being sufficient

People think of many things.

Some think that the side effects outweigh the benefit for certain vaccines, which in certain cases MAY be fair. That'd be a choice that would be made for individual vaccines based on the history of side effects on your children. This is the portion that I understand.

There are some people that think that the people that are making and telling people to get vaccines are in this major effort to take over the world, that vaccines cause autism, and so on and so forth --> These are the people that should be ostracized by society.

What I find ironic is that this anti-vacc movement started in America. From what we know about North America's history, one reason Europeans managed to settle it fairly easily was when they arrived, the larger native settlements has already been depopulated by a more recent contact that has spread diseases. In Central and South America, the disease came right with the conquistadores.

They still haven't shown us their safety reports, or their long-term safety reports. It seems that they don't have them, even though they are required by law.

Do you trust them? Good. You see my Bitcoin address down in the signature area of this post. Trust me to hold a couple of bitcoins for you. Go ahead. After all, I'm way more trustworthy than they are, right?, since Bitcoin has been safety tested, but vaccines haven't.

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They have no mind.

The anti vaccination movement is based on some unfortunate accidents that actually took place. In fact, some were more of abuse cases than accidents.
For instance this use of expired vaccines in China: https://www.voanews.com/a/use-of-expired-vaccine-in-jiangsu-sparks-public-scare-in-china/4745123.html
Some vaccines were proven to cause Encephalitis that lead to brain damage. There are many more severe side effects, but they happen to maybe 1% of the vaccinated children. It's still a high enough percentage to make some people consider taking the natural way. I don't support it, but I can understand those who do.

Vaccination is something that helps humanity be protected.
However, it should be kept a balance because it can do a lot of harm if vaccines are consumed without any control.
In my country vaccination policies are in a good balance and it is mostly used when there is a pandemia or epidemia.

You guys need to forget about the old vaccines, and look seriously at the modern vaccines. These are full of poisons and are designed to reduce fertility and weaken immune systems. They are also a major profit source for Big Pharma, and a way to divert funding from more productive health care. If vaccines really worked, then it wouldn't matter if some people chose not to vaccinate, as the "protected" readers of propaganda would not be affected. The very fact that they need to impose their ill considered injection of poison and disease into healthy people indicates that vaccines are not effective.

There aren't any safety studies. If there were, they would be readily presented. But Big Pharm can't present something they don't have.


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I'm not sure I really get the irony. Disease always comes with contact with distant groups of people. This wasn't appreciated in the 15thC. The germ theory of disease wasn't developed until the end of the 19th C.

And the people in North America now have NOTHING to do with the conquistadors. In fact the conquistadors (although European) had little to do with what's now the United States.

Nobody has figure out how to cure the disease of death. All the medical is doing with vaccines is speeding it up a little.

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The anti-vaxxers are primarily influenced by mis/dis-information that has as of recently been spread by social media. Social media such as Facebook has allowed people to spread inaccurate information without any real damage to their reputations, or any other ramifications.

^^^ You or anyone are certainly welcome to provide some safety reports. We would love to see some long-term safety reports, scientifically done, that show how safe vaccines are. Please show us something that contradicts the CDC's own reports about all the bad stuff in their own vaccines.

If you really trust medical people that much, please trust me by donating a bitcoin to my address listed below.

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I found (https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/pdf/cdcstudiesonvaccinesandautism.pdf) this on the CDC website, that cites many studies over many years that say there is no link between the thimerosal found in vaccines and Autism.

I would also encourage anyone with concerns about their children receiving vaccines to review the CDC Vaccine Safety Publications by Year (https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/research/publications/index.html) website.

Not every child is healthy enough to receive vaccines, and when this is the case, the child's pediatrician will advise the child's partent this. When many children do not receive vaccines for reasons other than not being healthy enough, there is a risk the child will get sick with an illness the vaccine is supposed to prevent, and the illness spreads to many other unvaccinated children, including those who legitimately cannot receive the vaccine.

^^^ Nice links. But we can see that the CDC could have easily turned over the testing reports to RFK if they had any:


Nice links you have there.

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Do you have evidence that vaccines are, in fact unsafe or lead to any kind of mental illness? Beyond the CDC not filing reports with congress....

As far as I'm concerned, the CDC has been stone-cold busted covering up data which showed a problem with MMR and trying to dispose of the data to hide the problem.  This is described in the documentary 'vaxxed'.  Nobody has ever officially denied anything which whistleblower Dr. Thompson said so I have no reason to doubt that it is 100% true.

Because of the above, it is simple logic that NOTHING which the CDC says or does vis-a-vis vaccinations (at the very least) can be trusted.  This is a simple fallout of logical rigour people!

Most of the time a pro-vaxxer will shove CDC literature in a person face to 'make a point.'  It is valueless.  Or worse!  This is a corrupt organization which is bought off by big pharma.  Worse still, the mindest of 'to many people', 'maximize profits', and 'control the plebs' is well represented among the people who sit on the boards of the corporations who own the big pharma corporations and it is exactly these people who call the shots.  Both within the corporations R&D, and within the CDC who's top management will revolve right into a 6 or 7 figure jobs when their 'public service' is done.

Thats a silly argument, just because some people are vaccinated it doesnt mean they are totally immune and the disease could evolve while active in other people.

I read that vaccines are the tool to spread the unknown disease to dense populated countries then they will make profits from selling medicine for that diseases.

If a rattle snake or a cobra bites you, injecting their venom into you, is there any danger? When you look at all the crap that is in modern vaccines as shown by the CDC in their own website, why would you think that there is any safety? The whole body is designed in nature to keep this poisonous stuff from entering. The skin protects us.

So, we have the medical bypassing nature's own skin safety program, and then refusing to do the safety tests (or at least provide the results of those tests), even when government requires the tests.

Obviously the lack of safety is from the medical rather than from the vaccines.

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Can you prove they are refusing to do safety tests? Just because somewhere someone didn't test something it doesn't mean governments all over the world are in on it and are trying to poison people.
https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/debunking-myths-about-vaccine-testing-and-safety/

I agree with Jetcash and BADecker, vaccines are pure poison and they are created to make us sick, weak, and stupid.  Heavy amounts of mercury and other neurotoxins, it puzzles me how anyone could think the government is trying to help us with vaccines.

Simple.

The medical wants to make money.

Presenting successful safety tests would make people so comfortable with vaccines that they would flock to get theirs.

The thing that happened was:
1. Robert Kennedy and his group tried to get the safety tests;
2. The medical wouldn't present them;
3. Kennedy did a FOIA request;
4. The medical didn't present the tests - not even one - at the FOIA-government demand.

Now, either you accept this as proof that there aren't any successful tests, or you recognize that the medical is simply evil.

Or do you have some other excuse why the money-hungry medical wouldn't further their own financial enhancement in the tremendous way that successful safety tests would have?

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Everyone wants to make money. What you said was already discussed and shown not to be true, I can also show thousands of safety tests done.
https://www.historyofvaccines.org/index.php/content/articles/vaccine-development-testing-and-regulation
https://www.fda.gov/files/vaccines,%20blood%20&%20biologics/published/Ensuring-the-Safety-of-Vaccines-in-the-United-States.pdf
http://vk.ovg.ox.ac.uk/vaccine-development

Being able to show some tests doesn't do much of anything if you don't show the tests and their results... like your links don't.

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If I remember correctly most vaccines require several boosters and some have to taken regularly (flu vaccines). There's plenty of opportunity for the companies to make money without having to poison their clients.

Here in our country vaccine can be trusted for
We seen the good effect of vaccination here in our country
Proven preventing some diseases because of vaccine.
Why dont want a vaccine? Is it just because of they think of unsafe process and unreliable if its really good  for health.

^^^ Vaccines are a good stab at making you well.

If a nation of people has never been vaccinated, they might have a reasonably good immune system. But the immune system still isn't perfect. When a disease comes along, it might damage the nation. All that vaccines do is shift the immune system overdrive. The immune system kills off the disease, but is weakened when it does this. If no more vaccinations are given, the immune system will gain most of its strength back.

There are a couple problems with this:
1. The immune system never gains as much strength back as it had originally, so the "victim" is susceptible to more diseases;
2. The immune system has learned to fight vaccines a little, so further vaccinations aren't as effective, or they weaken the immune system further.

If you are saved from a dreadful disease by being vaccinated, then stop further vaccinations. They only weaken your system so that you will need more of them.

If you have been vaccinated for anything, work as hard as you can with good nutrition to build your immune system up again. Depending on your age, it might take as much as a couple of years or more to flush the vaccine poison from your body after it has done its job.

Vaccines are not natural. Essentially all of the times you get stabbed in nature - snake bites, spider bites, thorns, certain fish, any animal bite, etc. - the stabs cause infection, illness, and often death. Vaccine stabs do the same. It's just that they are often more subtle about it. But sometimes they kill and paralyze almost immediately. Stay away from them except in emergency situations, like where you might die with or without them.

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People who are against vaccination are like vegans or jehovah witnesses or flat earthers. Complete idiots.

It doesn't quite work that way. The problem is that very young children are not able to get vaccines until a certain age.

So you might have an anti-vaxer parent convinced that medical science doesn't apply to them, or doctors are liars and chooses not to vaccinate their older kid. This kid then gets something like the measles, and then goes to daycare or school and passes it onto a kid who was too young to get vaccinated.

This kind of issue is literally what's happening and why people are rightly concerned by the anti-vax movement. (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/02/us/measles-babies-vaccine.html) It is no coincidence that the incidence of these conditions is increasing while immunisation rates are going down.

So the people you list as 'readers of propaganda' are impacted (and potentially having their children become very sick or killed) by the decisions of those who, for whatever reason, think the science of vaccination doesn't apply to them or their family.

Also, if it was all a conspiracy - then why would their be a lower age limit for when kids can start getting vaccinated? Surely Big Pharma would want to get in early on the money train... its almost like the age limit is based on evidence for when it is best time to get vaccinated ;)

I'm no friend of Big Pharma - but I do believe in well established medical science.

Then why are fewer people contracting measles, small pox, polio, etc...

People were getting these diseases and dying. Then the vaccines came and people stopped dying.

Now you're saying that the vaccines make us sick on purpose? If they wanted us sick why not do nothing and let people die of small pox?

Cool story Bro, but you could throw a dart to pick where 'vaccines came along' in the curve of mortality from a lot of these ailments.

https://childhealthsafety.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/us-deaths-1900-1965.gif?w=705&h=468

Sharp eyed observers may note that there never was a vaccine for Scarlett Fever, but 'people stopped dying' of that too oddly enough.

Even our highly medicated/vaccinated/fluoridated people of 2019 could, with monumental effort, look at the little characters on the left side of the graph and disabuse themselves of the notion that back in the day people were more likely than not to die of measles or whatever.  Most of the 'problem' has been massively hyped into existance, and apparently to get it so that Big Brother can mandate a situation where the peeps show up at the clinic when instructed to have anything desired by his cousin Big Pharma injected directly into their blood streams.

You want people to be chronically ill for life so that they keep coming back to the barn and paying.  Chronic ailments which do not keep one from their also showing up at work most of the time are perfect, and a lot of the autoimmunity related problems which have undergone explosive growth since the mid 80's when vaccine manufacturers were given immunity from liability lawsuits (vaccines only) are perfect.

It seems to me that we live in a society where people lose their trust in official information and authorities.
That's why people are looking for information on the Internet and believe in various conspiracy theories.
That's why people are acting irrationally and sometimes jeopardize their health and the health of their children.
Virtually no one believes in facts, and politicians and media have lost the authority which they once had.

Ah, charts. Now you're speaking my language. If this chart is accurate then I would have to say that you're on to something. (Now when I said "if" I'm not calling you out. I have to double check things for myself.)

But this is very, very interesting. Thx.

I was vaccinated years ago (in the 1960s). I'm very good health (outside a bum knee - but that was my fault). And - it's not just me. I know other many other people in excellent health.

What stands us apart is not the fact that we didn't get vaccines but that we eat well and exercise religiously.

So - why have the vaccines not affected us? (I'm not talking about people in their 20s. I'm talking about people 50+ who should be feeling the affects of the vaccines as well as old age.)

^^^ The vaccinations HAVE affected you. When they were given, they activated your immune system in some strong ways, weakening it at the same time.

If you haven't had any more of them for a long time, your immune system has grown strong again, naturally repairing itself. It might be strong enough by now that you could withstand detrimental affects from a few vaccinations right now.

But don't think that it didn't change you. There are subtle mental changes that have taken place in you. They might even have affected some of the big descissions you made in life.

The big problem with today's vaccines is that they contain all kinds of crap in them that is poisoning anyone who gets them. And, they are being used more and more, both by government mandate, and by the stupidity of people who think that they aren't really all that harmful.

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They might have a better immune system, the problem, however, is that vaccines are used to stop deadly diseases so you basically have 2 outcomes:

1. People with a weaker immune system

2. 95% of the population wiped out due to terrible diseases that weren't stopped with vaccines and we simply waited for some small amount of people to develop immune systems strong enough to stop them (this is also evolution btw)

I'm in the same boat.  I got the standard 7 shots in the late 60's early 70's that we all did.  I got the standard right-of-passage childhood ailments that we all did (chicken-pox, mumps, etc) and have life-long immunity and an immune system which was exercised in the normal way for human beings.  These right-of-passage illnesses tend to be no bigger a deal than the common cold most of the time.  I've got almost no ailments of any kind at age 52 and I've not even bothered getting a checkup for a decade.  I get the seasonal flu half the time but it never even keeps me from working outdoors.  Certainly I'm not in the 75% of my age cohort who is on one or more prescription meds.

I also happen to have gotten a shit-load of vaccinations in the military when I was a healthy 20 year old.  That was 'gulf war' time period under GHW Bush, and it's pretty clear to me now that they were doing a ton of testing.  During basic I and another guy did not experience certain very painful symptoms which effected the rest of the people in my training company.  At permanent station we all got scheduled for for different 'boosters'.  I may have been in a control group, or I may be a person who's body is just not very sensitive to certain kinds of assaults.  Or both.

People tend, for some reason, to make certain assumptions which are, to me, simply not valid:

 - The technology and ingredients of vaccines have not changed in 50 years.  (Never mind that the number of dosing have exploded since I was a kid.)

 - The same vaccine formulations used in different populations all over the world.  A measles shot is a measles shot is a measles shot no matter if it is in some 'least developed' (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Study_Memorandum_200) country or in the West.  This is demonstrable not true.  Even in Germany the government ministers and military get Baxter H1N1 while the peeps get GSK.

 - The makeup of the board of directors of the big pharma companies, and the amount of influence their lobbying money has had on the government and regulatory agencies has not changed in 50 years.  I find this suggestion ludicrous.

You seem like a sensible guy actually.  I would urge you to be careful about assumptions as you continue your analysis.  Just double-check that they are valid if viewed from the alternate hypothesis.

^^^ Right! And consider how great your thinking might be if you hadn't had all these shots to dumb you down.

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I happened to have had rather exceptional ASVAB scores when I went in to the service.  In terms of intellectual capability I never felt that I underwent any degradation that I could notice, and since that time I increased my real-world capabilities in a lot of areas by a fair degree.  Now the years are catching up and I don't learn and remember things as readily.  That's easily explainable by simple aging I think.

That reminds me of another assumption which seems to me invalid:

 - Neurological damage caused by vaccine injury (which does happen and is admitted to by all authorities) is either there in an obvious negative impact (e.g., made a kid into diaper clad invalid) or had zero impact at all.

Seems to me much more likely that people are impacted on a scale from nothing to death.  Very few people experience an obvious deficit, but a very large percentage may experience a shaving of a few points off of their IQ, or a few microseconds off of their reaction time, or a few percentage less sperm count or whatever.

From a system architects point of view (someone shaping society at large) this would be a fine outcome.  It would translate into millions of people staying with mainstream media and being satisfied as an example.

Of course society wide neurological properties are not the only thing an architect might shoot to manipulate.  When it comes to vaccination it is probably more about creating a few million more people who need treatment for their chronic asthma, or $4000 bee sting kits, or countless other pharmaceutical needs.

^^^ Consider that the words "in to" as you used them, are generally one word (into) in common language. Not trying to pick on you, but perhaps you should rethink your lack of degradation. Of course, am I any different? I had to check the spelling of degradation.

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I was unusually bad at spelling all of my life and that continues to this day.  Never learned the 'parts of speech' from English class, and never learned my times tables.  I looked back at a letter I wrote after high school and, to be honest, I would characterize myself as 'semi-literate' at that time.   I was certainly not a good student in my high school days.  In spite of what is probably a mild form of dyslexia I did read a lot of non-school stuff (mostly science) at home though because I would get quite interested in subjects.  I always could produce good scores on IQ tests at least.

Anyway, I'll look for the 'into' mistake.  There are more than a few which continue to vex me.  Someone here pointed out 'then/than' a few years ago and I've been more careful about that.  Thanks!

Yes, please do.  Always!  And if you find information suggesting the chart is invalid, I would highly appreciate reference to it.

I am often suspicious of charts that are to small to be legible, and people who put them up, but I just noticed that I did the same.  I'll make a brief edit above and see if I can fix it.

I'm 77, and I haven't had any vaccines since I was a kid, and then I only had a couple. I've only had antibiotics about 3 times in my life, and I don't use pain killers or recreational or pharma drugs. I'm never ill, and I don't even get colds. I'm exposed to infection from the vaccinated people in places like McDonalds, and they seem to be talking about ailments and doctor's visits all the time. I'm also saddened by the kids who have been crippled by the additives in modern vaccines. I'm now at an age when younger friends are dying and becoming vegetables, as a result of the drugs administered by the "health" service. You guys should reflect on the fact that the country that spends most on so called health care is one of the unhealthiest countries in the developed world.

Good health comes from having built a healthy natural immune system, getting some exercise, and a diet that contains a minimum of additives and preservatives. If you really love your kids, then don't cripple them for life by injecting poisons and disease into them while their bodies are trying to build a healthy immune system.

ps. I very rarely eat the food in McDonalds.

You must have gotten a shit load of vaccines then  ;D

People here wasn't scared of vaccination. They voluntarily and regularly vaccinated. Until an incident happened. A new vaccine was introduced. This vaccine supposed to prevent a mosquito related disease.  This vaccine is supposedly given only to those who got the disease before. But due to misunderstanding, it was given to random children, causing deaths to those who didn't experience the said disease before. Die to that incident people became scared of vaccination even the other vaccination, thinking it might cause death too.

Actually, people here are in favor of vaccination, like I said, they voluntarily and regularly get vaccinated before that incident happened

What was the incident that happened? It was the vaccinations themselves.

People have been getting vaccinations for a long time. Their doctors said they were safe. But the doctors were only believing the medical leaders and Big Pharma, who didn't really know if the vaccines were safe. Why didn't they know? Because they didn't do any long-term testing. This means that the safety statements were lies from the start.

Then some people and doctors figured out from experience that vaccines might be dangerous. They figured it out by watching patient reactions to vaccines. So, they pushed government to require the medical and Big Pharma to do testing to prove the vaccines were safe. Laws were made to do the tests. The people felt safe because they trusted in the laws.

Then more people started getting sick (some even dying) after being vaccinated. Groups pushed Big Pharma and the medical to show the safety tests they were required to do. In court, Big Pharma and the medical couldn't show the required safety tests, because for 30 years following the law to do the tests, the tests had never been done, or they were being hidden because the results were bad.

Now, long-term tests are finally being done independently. These tests confirm that the vaccines are producing more disease than would have come about without the vaccines. They are also confirming that there are terrible side-effects from vaccines... like autism. But even without the tests, people can see these effects.

For example, you have a child that is, say, a year old. He is a fine, normal child. Then he gets a vaccine, and within a day/week/month turns extremely autistic. You don't need long-term medical tests to tell what happened. You can see what happened, especially when it is happening to many other families, as well - https://cdautism.org/.

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https://history.nih.gov/research/downloads/nuremberg.pdf

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THE NUREMBERG CODE

1. The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential.
    This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be
so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element
of force, fraud, deceit, duress, over-reaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and
should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter
involved, as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. This latter
element requires that, before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental
subject, there should be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment;
the method and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably
to be expected; and the effects upon his health or person, which may possibly come from his
participation in the experiment.
    The duty and responsibility for ascertaining the quality of the consent rests upon each
individual who initiates, directs or engages in the experiment. It is a personal duty and
responsibility which may not be delegated to another with impunity.

2. The experiment should be such as to yield fruitful results for the good of society,
unprocurable by other methods or means of study, and not random and unnecessary in nature.

3. The experiment should be so designed and based on the results of animal experimentation
and a knowledge of the natural history of the disease or other problem under study, that the
anticipated results will justify the performance of the experiment.

4. The experiment should be so conducted as to avoid all unnecessary physical and mental
suffering and injury.

5. No experiment should be conducted, where there is an a priori reason to believe that
death or disabling injury will occur; except, perhaps, in those experiments where the
experimental physicians also serve as subjects.

6. The degree of risk to be taken should never exceed that determined by the humanitarian
importance of the problem to be solved by the experiment.

7. Proper preparations should be made and adequate facilities provided to protect the
experimental subject against even remote possibilities of injury, disability, or death.

8. The experiment should be conducted only by scientifically qualified persons. The highest
degree of skill and care should be required through all stages of the experiment of those who
conduct or engage in the experiment.

9. During the course of the experiment, the human subject should be at liberty to bring the
experiment to an end, if he has reached the physical or mental state, where continuation of the
experiment seemed to him to be impossible.

10. During the course of the experiment, the scientist in charge must be prepared to terminate
the experiment at any stage, if he has probable cause to believe, in the exercise of the good faith,
superior skill and careful judgement required of him, that a continuation of the experiment is
likely to result in injury, disability, or death to the experimental subject.

["Trials of War Criminals before the Nuremberg Military Tribunals under Control Council Law
No. 10", Vol. 2, pp. 181-182. Washington, D.C.: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1949.]

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People are scared; plain and simple.

Fear sells pretty well.

Think about what they gain by spreading the fear?

Are you talking about the medical spreading fear of illness? Or the anti-vaxxers spreading the warnings?

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The most horrible is the fact that kids suffer form their parents ignorance

Obviously big pharma doesnt have the best reputation but vaccines have been proven to not cause autism. "Researchers now link falling immunization rates to recent resurgences of vaccine-preventable diseases. In 2010, California saw 9,120 cases of whooping cough, more than any year since the whooping cough vaccine was introduced in the 1940s. Ten infants too young to be vaccinated died of whooping cough during the outbreak. The CDC warns that events like these will become more frequent and harder to control if vaccination rates continue to fall"
https://www.publichealth.org/public-awareness/understanding-vaccines/vaccine-myths-debunked/

Of course conspiracy believers will not look at that evidence.

We are trying to make people aware of the damage caused by vaccination, but so many people believe the false figures pushed by big pharma, that it is an uphill struggle. America is the most heavily vaccinated country in the world, and it has the worst health of any developed nation. It also has the highest medical costs to attempt to cope with the damage caused by pharmaceuticals and vaccination.

Well, in my country vaccination is not quite available for the people. It's not free, at least only in some cases (like if u are disabled person or military). But still, this procedure is important for personal health.

Since vaccines are accepted because of the belief of the people, the whole vaccination thing is similar to a religion... based on belief or faith. This makes vaccination a religion rather than a medical thing. We have freedom of religion in our country, so Big Pharma can get away with it as long as the people believe... whether or not there are any facts behind the safety of vaccination.

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in their mind there is bitcoin sv potential

Can you link real figures then? I'm sorry but vaccines have been proven to work, they have stopped terrible diseases, yes, vaccines have side effects just like any other drug/medicine, however the benefits far outweigh the risks.

Vaccines have NOT been proven to work. All that has been proven is that something worked. It might have been the life cycle of the "bug in question." But the timing made it look like it was the vaccine.

However, even if vaccines work, get vaccinated for one thing, and then wait for years, letting the immune system purge the vaccine poisons, before you get another. Getting loads of vaccines at once simply weakens the immune system, making you vulnerable to all kinds of stuff. In addition, there are loads of side effects that will show up later.

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You know what's funny, if you apply the same argument against miracles, you wouldn't agree. You claim miracles are because of god but all that has been proven is that some people got healed, it might have been the cycle of life or a simple coincidence and timing made it look like it was god. You agree?

I understand people who are into conspiracies being strongly against vaccinations. Not that I believe in those conspiracies. I don't. But I understand there are hardcore conspiracy theorists.

What I don't understand are the people who won't for religious reasons. Because vaccines are a new thing in the grand scheme of things. So who made up these rules for them? It's not like it says in the bible that you shouldn't. The do not vaccinate your children due to religion is a completely man made rule.

I wouldn't put it that way.  More technically accurate to say that it increase the turbo boost and adds nitrous oxide to ONE PART of the immune system to try to make it do one specific (and usually unnecessary) thing well.  Namely, produce titters which are effective against one thing (since, by law, 'effective' means that the body has a certain level of titters against a particular reagent.)

The natural way of obtaining most of these ailments is to get infected through the pulmonary or digestive systems defenses.  This activates parts of the immune system which vaccines ignore.  If the infection makes it through then the part of the immune system which creates antibodies goes into action.

The immune system is also responsible for destroying one's own native cells as well if they need destroying (e.g., become cancerous or whatever.)  This is a tricky balance for the immune system.

Vaccines, by turbo-charging one part of the immune system unnaturally, seem to throw the immune system into a state of destructive confusion leading to a cascade of autoimmunity issues in some people.  Asthma, allergies, arthritis, etc, etc, etc.  (Just so happens that this in turn results into a cascade of cash for pharmaceutical corporations and the medical/industrial complex of some countries...just saying.)

Most engines actually could take a blast of nitrous oxide for a few seconds to let one's car pass.  It would not be good for the piston rings and may shorten the engines life expectancy by a few years way down the road, but for the most part nobody would be the wiser.  Other engines would throw a rod on the spot.  The human body is little different.  Some people can handle more stress than other people.

^^^ Well, I suppose you could make a case that Oxygen is the culprit, and that it is Oxygen that is allowing us to get the infections in the first place.

 ;D

A lot of them think that it has given a rise to autism. You never know. It might be easy is it to hack our vaccines.

One also might say that god wasnt a very good creator and allowed humans to get infections because he couldnt design us in a better way. You know, you can put it any way you want really.

You have the freedom to post the things that you post, because God gave humans freedom. Would you rather not have freedom, and do everything simply by instinct?

God is not unjust. He offers you the chance to use your freedom to turn to Him and accept forgiveness and be saved. It is your choice if you don't turn. You, especially, know this from all the talking we have been doing.

Do you really not like having free choice? If you really don't like free will and choice, prove it by not exercising it any longer. Stop not posting in the forum.

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Same-said for vaccines as for cancer... below.


Cancer Cure Suppressed for 80 Years: They're Finally Admitting Royal Rife Was Right (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/263725-2019-06-29-cancer-cure-suppressed-for-80-years-theyre-finally-admitting-royal.htm)




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This seems to be the best explanation for getting the best out of vaccines, while eliminating the worst dangers. It's part of a post by tvbcof:
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I am a 51 yr old mother of 6 children. My oldest is 29, my youngest is 6. All of my children have been vaccinated, but I chose to vaccinate them when they were around 4 years old. The reason is  because of how they have been preserved .  Honestly , I'm not positive that they still do this , but in the past the amount of Mercury used to preserve just one shot given to a child contains the maximum allowable amount of Mercury for an adult. And children generally get 4 to 6 shots at each sitting. This means that they have been exposed to up to 6 times the amount of Mercury that is consider safe for an adult.
I have known at least 4 children who were clearly injured for life due to the vaccination they received . It's scary. I think that it would be safer to give fewer shots at a time and start the cycles later in life.

ANTI-VAXER!!! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!

We need to start calling them 'vaccine deniers' so it could be outlawed as a thought-crime more easily.

So far anti-vaxxers are more or less of a mindset that "Vaccines do more bad than they do good. I don't want to get vaccinated, or have my children vaccinated. If other people want to get vaccinated, that should be their choice, just like it should be my choice to not be vaccinated if I want."

But it is about time that anti-vaxxers start getting into the mindset of "Vaccines do more bad than they do good. I don't want to get vaccinated, or have my children vaccinated. And since vaccines are bad for all people, we need to stop all people from being vaccinated... for their own good. Outlaw all vaccines, im-medicatedly... I mean, immediately!"

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One one hand 'they' are ushering in an era where being healthy and with an IQ of 100 will make a person sort of super-human and highly competitive.  Simply avoiding vaccines can give your kids a real competitive advantage.

One the other hand with all the desperately sick and weak morons running around it will be easy enough for 'them' to usher in a communist one-world government which won't be much fun to take advantage of anyway.

The only possible hope at this point would seem to be to lay low, go ahead and let 'them' cull the herd, then hope that when people have seen the kind of evil that is being ushered in the reaction will be violent in excess of what they've prepared for.  I would say that if anything that's what the 'Georgia Guidestones' were all about.  Go ask a high level Rosicrucian I guess.  I don't know any myself.

Depending on how effective PMAs really are, I still think that we should form our own nation using a PMA, right within the USA. They shouldn't be able to stop us, because we are not against the USA. Rather, we support the USA because it is the USA that is supporting our ability to PMA.

Gradually we could come together with even our land, and make the public into something that is off-limits for our private PMA. Of course, if we get big enough, it would be the public that would become the PMA so-to-speak.

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The destructive nature of vaccines, and what is being done about it.


Arizona Breakfast Club - Sept 14, 2019 = Ernest Hancock, Irene Pi = Vaccine Education Summit (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/268719-2019-09-24-arizona-breakfast-club-sept-14-2019-ernest-hancock-irene-pi.htm)




Arizona Breakfast Club - September 14, 2019
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=288&v=UrRPN81XLEs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=288&v=UrRPN81XLEs)


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I've about reached my limit with these debates. Not on this forum particularly but in general. Every day life. Any piece of anti-vax "evidence" can be countered.

A classic example is the fear of *drumroll* MERCURY!

People who don't understand chemistry lose their minds over this. I like to bring up the old "Sodium is highly explosive and dangerous in water. Chlorine is a toxic gas that can kill a human quickly. Combine the two? Harmless table salt"

Just because a chemical has a scary name does not mean it's a dangerous compound.

While I feel anti-vax arguments are foolish and ill-informed I do have an internal conflict on this subject. I don't think world governments should be able to mandate vaccines upon their citizens. You're not required to consume water by the government, but logic tells you it's a good thing, don't be an idiot, drink it. Right? The only middle ground I can find in myself is that if you choose not to vaccinate your children then they should not be allowed in to the public school system. Private schools can set policies at their own discretion.

Even IF you want to argue there is some minuscule chance a vaccine can cause harm it's a weak argument by all accounts. The benefits of vaccinations far outweigh the potential negatives and side effects. Imagine being someone who thinks "wow, I would never want my child to be autistic. I'd rather see them suffer a slow painful death from a disease science has made totally optional and preventable at this point in history."

All I have every seen is 'see, the government said it was safe so that proves it!'  There are actually hardly any 'safety studies'.  We hear over and over again that their are "thousands" but almost never are any pointed to.  When they are, they often say the opposite of what the proponents think they say, and even then they are watered down since inevitably they are funded by big-pharma or their proxies.


Mercury was bad enough that they did take it out.  It's admitted to cause tics, but they say 'oh, it's nothing and they usually go away eventually."  Any human can understand intuitively that tics represent neurological dysfunction so as they bumped up the number of required vaccines nearly everyone would have tics and that would embarrass TPTB.  So they took mercury out.  They've developed more targeted neurological assaults without so many observable side effects anyway so mercury is becoming obsolete.  Still useful to further damage people already stupid enough to get an annual flu jab though.


Every serious so-called 'anti-vaxxer' understands this completely, and there are millions of us.

You are projecting the ignorance characteristic of the typical mouth-breather who takes corp/gov word for everything and applying it where it doesn't apply.



Nobody made people drink the government approved water in Flint, Michigan.  The social engineers calculated correctly that a certain target population would do it because they had no other realistic option.

Same people who regulate vaccines, and the same policy calculations.


To me that would be an interesting experiment.  The public school system designed and exists to pump out little big-brother worshiping pro-vaxxes.  Families who have broken out can with some success counter the damaging aspects of 'public education'...which explains why the 'progressives' are so negative about nuclear families, family values, etc.

With mandatory vaccine laws for public schools, a lot of families who were on the edge of homeschooling would be forced over the tipping point.  For any normal person who has taken the time to research vaccines nobody is going to give their kids what corp/gov is going to be demanding.  So, we'll have a cohort who is are both healthy (having avoided vaccine damage) and lacking in public school indoctrination.  And probably have much better ethics to boot.  Such a cohort could really be something which saves our country, but it would be a generation or two away.


Anyone with an ounce of technical ability can see right through this standard talking point big-enough-lie-often-enough propaganda when they explore the subject for a while.  The trickle of people who are actually researching this stuff is turning into a flood, and as the years go by more and more independently funded studies are being performed.  The minute details of what 'they' are doing and how 'they' are doing it are coming into focus.  Thank God!

EDTA and cilantro remove many toxic elements from a person's system if used properly. So, be on the safe side if you need to get vaccinated, and at least eat cilantro. Study EDTA, and then use it as well.

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Well people who are mostly against vaccines are very much religious people. They believe that anything that is artificial for the benefit of human is like betraying the God. By the same logic they should not even use mobile phones because it is also artificial and they shouldn't take public transport by cars which are also artificial. Nowhere in any religion it is stated that if you take help from doctors or medicines, it is a sin.

I'm a straight-up atheist.

A certain small segment of the medical and scientific community thought they'd 'play God' and eliminate measles (a benign right-of-passage childhood ailment which everybody got almost never caused any problems.)  This they did "because they could."  Everything they claimed to think they could do was wrong and now we've got a totally screwed up ecological balance.

The fundamental tenant of ecology is "You can never do just one thing."  Playing God often results in tears.  Literature is filled with it...both fiction and non-fiction.  Leaving things alone when possible is not some spiritual purist belief as much as it is a practical strategy born of the school of hard knocks.

The real problem is that a totally screwed up ecology which requires every person to visit a clinic for their monthly 'booster shots' is, to Big Pharma and the socialists who desire ever tightening government control over every member of society, not a bug.  It's a feature!

Frankly I actually generalized all anti-vaxxers. I don't really know the system in the society you live in. When I say anti-vaxxers I actually mean those people who are against vaccines that can prevent or cure preventable diseases. To go to clinic mandatorily every week to get vaccines just for the sake of it because the government thinks you need it is not what I support. That's like a business the government is playing with the general population.

vaccines are necessary to eradicate certain diseases permanently and to avoid contagion, especially in schools, but it should still be a free choice of families and not a state imposition...

^^^ Vaccines are eradicating diseases. And the way that they are doing it is twofold:
1. They are bringing other, worse diseases to bear, or into existence, to eradicate the first ones;
2. Vaccines are killing people, and once a person is dead, he no longer has the disease.

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That is technically true with Polio.  More cases of paralytic polio are of the vaccine strain than wild strain polio now.  It is possible to argue that 'Yeah, but if the vaccine program did not exist then there would be far more wild strain than what currently exists now.'  OK, fine.  It could well be true but I want to see valid studies which prove this and which prove the premises upon which the suggestion is built rather than hand-waving assertions by the those being paid off by profits from the pharma sector.

The real problem is that they are badly warping the ecology associated with the illnesses the vaccines target in many cases.  Vaccines have some serious flaws compared to natural illness.  Specifically that they don't confer life-long immunity, and immunity is not passed from mother-to-child in the first year as is the case with many of these illnesses when caught naturally by a mother when she was a kid.

What they have done is to force the illness into an older cohort so that 'right-of-passage' things we all used to get like mumps which are trivial in childhood are now being caught by older people when they tend to be actually threatening.  And they also leave the infants vulnerable even if they are breast feeding.  In the case of measles and mumps they have totally fucked up the ecology and since the initial promise of long duration immunity was a lie, they now want everyone to get boosters for the rest of their lives.

Probably more people will die in auto accidents on their way to their monthly vaccine booster shots then ever did back in the day when we all used to get these trivial things and miss a few days of school.

One of the most pernicious harms is that in order to cover their asses, and protect their profits, the whole industry (including the so-called 'regulatory agencies') are pumping out propaganda, lies and junk science and setting the whole field of medical science on a backslide.  How long before they bring back bloodletting?

The fact that Ernie Hancock and Freedom's Phoenix are supporting the Vaccine Education Summit, means that due diligence has been done in the areas of the topics. Ernie doesn't support stuff that is false or wrong. Most importantly, Ernie is about freedom.

Ernie >>>   There's those who want to be left alone, and there's those who just won't leave them alone.


Pictures from the Vaccine Education Summit held Sept 28, 2019 in Phoenix, AZ (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Article/269177-2019-10-02-pictures-from-the-vaccine-education-summit-held-sept-28-2019.htm)




Click the link for more.


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Socio-cultural factors play a huge role in my country as individuals will rather die with their Socio-cultural ideologies against vaccination than vaccine their children.  In a certain village in my country  they believe that the whites brought vaccines to reduce their population. Education is the solution to this societal menace.

But if you look for the Irene Pi video in some of the posts (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrRPN81XLEs), you will see that the medical is admitting that they don't know if more lives are lost from vaccines or without them.

Arizona Breakfast Club - September 14, 2019
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrRPN81XLEs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrRPN81XLEs)


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Please, the measles outbreaks in Brooklyn NY right now suggest otherwise.   Vaccinations are scientifically proven to reduce and eradicate deadly diseases.   Any other conclusion is ignorance.

^^^ If anyone would like an classic example of 'dogma', here it is ^^^

It's also antithetical to the concept of 'science'.  This guy exhibits exactly what the school system is designed to teach.  The public school systems are not failing.  They are, in fact, succeeding behind the wildest dreams of the people who fund and who designed them.

A large portion of the measles outbreaks are resulting directly from vaccinations and then spreading. This is confirmed by genotype sequencing as the version used for vacinations is no longer in the wild.

"Rapid Identification of Measles Virus Vaccine Genotype by Real-Time PCR"
https://jcm.asm.org/content/jcm/55/3/735.full.pdf

"Aluminum vaccine adjuvants: are they safe?"
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21568886

Shaw and Tomljanovic made a very slight error in one of their papers.  I don't recall the exact details.  I think they shifted an age cohort without a proper explanation.  I don't remember if it was this paper, but from 'our side' it is best to avoid use of their work when possible.  There is a growing mass of information from others who've not made such a mistake.

The thing is that the pro-vax side can use the most basic and crude forms of fraud and their work will be lauded.  More importantly, the 'better' the fraud the more funding they can expect going forward.  Same as with global climate change fraudsters.

'Our side' doesn't have this luxury.  Quite the opposite.  The one thing 'we' have on our side is truth, and good science will almost always reward that...after a few decades...  The power of 'the truth' is the basis for the attack on real science by the likes of Big Pharma and the Greenie crowd.  But 'we' have to be extra super careful to do everything perfectly.  Even then we'll be smeared, but the smear can be wiped clean and eventually the other side sustains a hit for it.  Clever people on the truth side can bait the fraud side into attacks which will backfire on them because, in point of fact, the fraudster side 'scientists' are sell-outs and often because they are simply not very smart.  Cannot make it doing real science.

The fraudsters have the government and the entire mainstream media behind them (since the same group of people own both) so even when 'the truth' wins, most people don't know it.  But then again, most people are fairly useless sheeple class and what they think they know doesn't really have much of an impact on the real world.  When it comes to vaccines, the sheeple class will damage their kids upon demand by corp/gov, and their kids will end up as stupid as they are.  It's sad and it will have a negative impact on society, but it's not probably the best battle to fight right now.

Oh, please. The CDC and AMA and other medical websites are even saying that vaccines cause many of the outbreaks. If you can't believe them for this, then why are you believing them for the other? And that is in the face of all the independent data coming out that says the same thing.

What you might be getting with vaccines is a little salvation now for a whole lot worse later. That's exactly how a Ponzi scheme works.

Keep on believing in vaccines. It's a good religion... just like Islam.

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Read what else is in the vaccines.


Highly toxic ingredients are deliberately formulated into mandatory vaccines so that you are forced to submit to being poisoned (https://www.naturalnews.com/2019-10-10-toxic-ingredients-formulated-into-mandatory-vaccines.html)




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In my country, many people are vaccinating their children because the number of hospital child birth is increasing and mothers are more enlightened on child vaccination

I would like to think it's something hardwired in them from the time they were kids and really can't see the benefits because they are brainwashed

or maybe it's part of their beliefs and faith at play...they have their reasons, that's a given ! ???

I was pro-vaccine from the initial indoctrination that we all get.  I was pretty much pro-everything which was marketed as 'science'.  When I started looking into the science behind vaccines I expected that it would re-enforce my pro-vaccine beliefs.  What I found eventually shifted me 180 degrees.

Actually the above is more true of 'global warming'.  I think with vaccines the shift started when I was writings from old-time social engineers about how injections could be used in the future to shape and mold human populations coupled with lots and lots of reports of injury from victims that piqued my interest enough that I started reading and observing the scientific and medical papers.

It is hard not to notice that those arguing pro-global-warming and pro-vaccine lean heavily on appeal to authority and actively discourage any deeper understanding of the fundamental principles of science.  OTOH, people who don't tow the mainstream line on these topics often bend over backwards to teach basic things like what the n=0.05 in a statistical calculation.  The apperent reason is that when real science and real understanding wins, they win.

Well, some people are always contro... I think it is a character, not ideas o something else. There are people who just need to be against others. I am writing about climate and environment and well, i see people who don't think we need to change something about it. My blog is here www.zeroenergy-systems.com

The most benefit received from attempting to do something about climate change, is that CC workers will feel comfortable with themselves that they did something they thought was beneficial for something.

Hopefully they will be dead and gone before the next big volcano erupts, and makes all their operations into something deadly for the world. Think of how bad they would feel to know that they had helped the disaster be worse.

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I'm not 'contro' on efficient use of energy.  In fact I am right now in some heavy research about cooling buildings in a high temp high humidity environment.  Not an easy problem thermodynamically.

I am against efficient use of energy to 'save the earth'.  Anthropogenic climate change is 99.999% scam to make rich people have more control and to have their lackies make some bucks while the serve as pawns in a game which they don't even understand.  They'll be flushed when their job is done.

I'm interested in alternative energy methods only because I have money to burn and I enjoy a challenge.  Coal would give the most people the best quality of life as long as it is burnt in facilities which have scrubbers (such as those in the U.S..)  Most of the 'greenie' crowd are conditioned to hate human beings and want a population reduction because that's how their sponsors have conditioned them.

'Green energy' will come along naturally when it makes economic sense.  Right now it's mostly a scam funded by the dynastic wealth families for nefarious reasons, but some of the wasted money ends up in millions of people's pockets which keeps the game going.  True, technological progress is moving faster by dumping trillions into the boondoggle, but since global climate change is a sham it really doesn't matter.  There are better and more humane ways to spend the money.  Artificial scarcity in energy will kill millions and billions...maybe that's part of the idea...

I personally am against mandatory vaccinations vaccines can kill people, it must be a choice of people

Vaccines have changed, and they are no longer a part of so-called health care, but are now part of the global eugenics programme, The brainwashing is performed by false propaganda based on manipulated facts, and a lack of stats based on anything other than very short term results.

Some people have a backround issues about vaccination so we cannot blame the people who are afraid to have it. Like in the case of Phillipines, we have an issue about the vaccine dengvaxia which affected a lot of children and died because of infections. Although our health gobernment are stating that everything was back to normal, Filipino people still have hard time to accept vaccination.

There were some fatalities due to vaccination but few in percentage compared if the population wasn't vaccinated. Let's not judge vaccination because of this unlucky ones. Lets think if the whole population was not vaccinated. How many would have died?

Because of that kind of mindset more and more people suffered. They thought refusing to vaccinations save lives but in reality they're at risk. Since parents refused to get their child vaccinated, polio cases are present once again in our country. Actually we totally eradicated this years ago but here we go again :(. I know that the Dengvaxia Project was a failure but I hope you continue to vaccinate your kids (anti measles, anti polio, anti chicken pox etc.) because essential oils is definitely not enough to protect them against these diseases.

What country?  In lots of countries wild strain paralytic polio is rare or non-existent but vaccine strain paralytic polio is increasingly common.  That means that the vaccination is spreading a mutant form of the disease.

By the way, did it ever occur to you to look into the Dengvaxia issue and analyze how and why it came about.  It seems to have been drug corporations producing bogus science and paying off corrupt government officials.  Did it occur to you to wonder if the same thing might be happening with the other coerced vaccinations?  I mean Sanofi-Pastuer was the company who was responsible the Dengvaxia malfeasance and they practically own the vaccine distribution in The Philippines.  Would you write of Dengvaxia to an isolated case of a few bad apples, or would you expend just a little bit of effort to see if the problems are more wide-spread?

The problem in my country, from my observation, is due to poor sensitization and lack of accurate source of information. People who cant read tend to rely on what they hear others say. Unfortunately, the rumors are mostly negative. The way forward, I believe, is proper public education on the essence of vaccines, risks associated with skipping and so on. You cant transform all but majority may be brought into the light.

Exactly! It's sanitation, hygiene, good vibes, and good nutrition that protect from diseases way more than the best benefits from vaccines could. But when you add the diseases that vaccines cause, vaccines should be outlaw... at least in the form that they are being mass produced in today.

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I respect your opinion but vaccine too can save people's lives too. There are already proven vaccines that really help, eradicate diseases and the list are going. Vaccines are  are product of thousands of hours of research by men and women dedicated to improve our life and human conditions. Though there are vaccines too that really cause not good to some, and needs to research more, but above all, vaccines really helps.

Philippines dude.
What do you mean? Are you asking me if I got dengue before or am I a victim of this Dengvaxia issue? If the first one then YES, I also got a dengue fever twice; first is when I was in highschool and the second is when I was on 1st year college. But if you mean the latter one then my answer is NO, i'm not a victim but I can relate to them because I know the struggle of having a dengue I just can't believe how it come that so far up to extent of fatalities.

Anyway, what I'm only pointing here is that parents must continue giving their child vaccines for prevent other diseases. They have no choice but to remove the stigma in their minds brought by the Dengvaxia incident. I know that fear and doubts are eating them but they should conquer it because becoming an anti-vaxx parent is a bad idea.

Lots of people say what you do, but where are the studies that are backed by PEOPLE who will swear to it in court... that they KNOW that vaccines work, and that they have substantial evidence that is viewable, and witnesses that show that the evidence is not made up, courtroom style?

After all, government made a law that said that vaccine companies had to do safety tests. When Robert Kennedy, Jr., required government and the medical to show the safety tests for the 30 years following when the law was made, they couldn't produce even one safety test.

I am not the worlds best typist. But you can get some good typists to make up all kinds of stories that say that vaccines work. But there doesn't appear to be anything more than stories. And the required safety tests are either non-existent, or they were so unsafe that government and the medical won't show them.

Let's get the doctors and researchers to court under oath with their studies and find out if there really is any vaccine safety, or even efficacy. Let's see their evidence, their tests, how they did them, with witnesses as to the results, all under oath, and compared with standard scientific evaluation that makes sense.

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Bad for people who break the law. Good for their children's wellness.

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I mean just what I said in the text you clipped.

The Dengvaxia fiasco came about because of negligence and malfeasance on the part of Sanofi-Pastuer who influenced negligent and malfeasant elements of the government.

The same Sanofi-Pastuer and the same basic government that did Dengvaxia has been and is responsible for 'ordinary' vaccines as well.  How can you believe that they act differently in the Dengvaxia case than they act with vaccinations generally?

First of all, as far as I know Sanofi-Pasteur got no relations with the implementation and distribution of other vaccines here in our country. It only handled the vaccinations for dengue prevention before and we all knew it failed.

And for your question, the use of Dengvaxia and other vaccines was way different to one another. I heard so many news during those times that the reason why it failed is because of misapplication. After the tragic incident, they said that it was only allowed to inject only for those who got no history of dengue fever but how come that even who already experienced dengue fever before still got vaccinanted? Whose mistake is that? Well, the parents took only part of it but it was mainly mistake of the company because of lack of public announcements. I also heard even more rumors and different perceptions about it but sorry I forgot all of it so I will refer you here (https://fellowsblog.ted.com/what-went-wrong-with-the-breakthrough-dengue-vaccine-cf8519cb90c8) for further info. The bottomline, the other vaccines used in our country such as Oral Polio Vaccine, Measles Vaccines etc.are already proven and tested throughout the years of use, while on the other hand Dengvaxia is questionable in all aspects and came from a careless  company.

many people oppose vaccination in my country because sometimes the vaccine makes children sick.
the fear experienced by parents for child vaccination is spreading because of vaccine errors that seem to be only as experimental material.
if there were socialization and openness to the material used for the vaccine it might be a different story.

Go to the site and click on the links to see the details. This x-Merck joker is going to get himself assassinated, or at least blacklisted, for telling the truth.


Former Merck Scientist Explains Why He Doesn’t Vaccinate His Children Due to Lack of Vaccine Safety Studies (https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/270262-2019-10-19-former-merck-scientist-explains-why-he-doesnt-vaccinate-his-children.htm)




Bonus: Medical Doctors Opposed to Forced Vaccinations – Should Their Views be Silenced? - https://vaccineimpact.com/2015/medical-doctors-opposed-to-forced-vaccinations-should-their-views-be-silenced/


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I hope this program succeed. Everyday we get closer to a New World Order based on the globalist agenda and our Great Leader George Soros will be the King of this Beloved Flat Mother Earth. If the natural selection didn't work, let the vaccines do the job! hohoho ;D Unfortunately some people are breaking free from our "scientific propaganda" and the so called "critical thinking", but they are a few ones. There's no tinfoil for everyone hohoho  :D

https://www.biometricupdate.com/201909/id2020-and-partners-launch-program-to-provide-digital-id-with-vaccines

A few links in:

  "The World Bank Group’s Identification for Development (ID4D) initiative launched the challenge
   in November to identify practical and   cost-effective ‘privacy by design’ features that can be
   embedded into digital identification systems to empower users. The effort supports the
   operationalization of the initiative’s Principles on Identification for Sustainable Development,
   which aim to ensure that people currently without identification receive ‘Good’ ID."

Koire:


Edit:  Knowing the existence and parameters of a 'thing' is what gives it a trade-able value on the market.  By inventorying and putting everything on earth under control the 'net present value' of the planet increases dramatically.  'Economic growth' on the planet is by no means finished.  If anything it is just getting started.  This is what is meant to some by the term 'Beast System.'

Only sometimes. How about when they stopped giving their children vital vaccines, what happened? Observe and get updated to the news, you most probably notice that children tend to get sick oftenly

Anyway, why they are just reacting soo very late? I presume that vaccines in your country are mandated to be given on childrens many decades ago 'til now and yet nothing bad happens but now they suddenly doubt its effectiveness? I can't understand why they're doing this.

Not all vaccines are created equal.

The medical wants to make money. If they can make vaccines work long enough to hook people on them, that's what they will do. Once the people are hooked, it's then that they start using vaccines to keep people in a state of moderate health. Why do they do this? Several reasons. But the biggest is to get the people to have to come back to buy more medical.

In addition, legally mandated safety testing on vaccines hasn't been done. When you or I break the law, we are stopped from doing so in the future. If we don't stop, we are sent to prison. Why does the medical keep on breaking the law by not doing the mandated safety studies, but they don't go to prison?

Here's why. Too much money in it. Government people are being paid off to look the other way.

Bottom line... $$$money$$$.

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Well, despite all the obscurantism of our times, science continues to advance. I hope that one day the facts will start to be taken into consideration, even by those who still prefer "opinions".

https://arstechnica.com/science/2019/10/were-closer-to-eradicating-polio-from-the-planet-2-of-3-strains-now-wiped-out/

This Arstechnica article makes no efforts to explore other valid ecological questions about the phenomenon.  It presents very questionable conjectures as 'fact'.  This is not science.  It's propaganda.  To their credit they do mention that the mutant viral strain from the vaccines are maiming a lot more people than the wild types but they carefully word things so that an ignorant reader's eyes will glaze over.

As best I can tell, you, and most 'normal people, consider something to be a 'fact' if it was communicated by mainstream media and an 'opinion' if it is not.

I can tell you that I will not trust any 'facts' presented by those who routinely rely on fraud, pay-offs, re-writing history, bogus science, and base scare tactics to get people to believe what they want people to believe.  The fact that they have to employ these tactics tells me that they don't have a case and are hiding some things.

There will always be a contingent who thinks like me.

yes, there will always be ignorants by choice. Maybe you don't understand the word "erradication".

Well, but anyway you can find more information about this work here:

http://polioeradication.org/tools-and-library/policy-reports/certification-reports/global-certification-commission/

and here

https://www.cdc.gov/cpr/polioviruscontainment/implementing_containment.htm
https://wwwn.cdc.gov/dcs/contactus/form 800-232-4636

btw, my favorite satoshi's quote:


It's always present and multipurpose  ::)

Most of these 'trade organizations' are dedicated to milking the {insert disease here} franchise and do everything they can to make sure that the money keeps flowing from the vitcims into their coffers.  That means putting a dedicated and well funded effort into NOT finding out what is actually going on with the disease.

The CDC has a long history of corruption, data destruction, big-pharma collusion, etc.

Please give me one valid reason why I should take anything these 'information' sources as anything resembling 'truth'?

I read the crap these outfits put out mostly to find out what the enemy (of humanity) is up to and what strategies they are pursuing.  If a legitimate political entity cleaned house in these organizations I might go back to trusting some of what they say, but I don't see any way we'll (the U.S.) will ever again have a political system which could or would do it.

The reason depends on what kind of vaccines being used. In the past vaccines has helped a lot of people combat disease but is not the case nowadays. There are now vaccines that instead of helping it actually causes sickness and death. Here in the Phillipines hundreds of children died from being injected with the compulsory dengvaxia vaccines in the schools. After the vaccination months after children being vaccinated were sent to the hospital and many have died.

We cannot blame people to be wary of vaccines because of the death toll parents are now afraid to let their children take vaccination.

Actually, it is perfectly possible to blame the people who are wary and don't tow the corp/gov party line.  If everyone just shut up and let big pharma and their bought-and-paid-for politicians do whatever they wanted without anyone calling attention to the damage, the 'problem' of people's perceptions of vaccines would be greatly reduced.

So, to a degree it is legitimate the blame the 'problem' on those who study the science and think for themselves.  Maybe the problems wouldn't be such a big issue if they just shut their mouths, protected their own children as best they can, and minded their own business.  Indeed, their own unvaccinated children will be even more competitive when the majority of their peers are vaccine damaged.  The problem is more with people who are educated AND have ethics which won't let them just keep their mouths shut and go with the flow.  Fortunately for corp/gov there are relatively few such people in this Ven diagram.

And so would the number of people... be greatly reduced.

 :D

We know that the industry prefers to sell medicines for continuous use. We also know that in the US there is over-prescription of opioids. We also know that many diseases could be treated with simple cheap natural medicine. But this is not the case of vaccines. Several diseases have been virtually extinct where mass vaccination exists. You can't blame big pharma for everything. they did this then they do AAAALLL THAAAT!!!! It's insane, calm down, hold on. check your sources carefully. read contradictory opinions, but look for qualified ones. ask your question to doctors - yes, doctors. medicine people. not your survivalist uncle.

https://i.postimg.cc/tT1CQBXk/EINc3-WGWo-AAxs0v.jpg

Here's what's wrong with with the pro-vaccine part of your evaluation.

1. We don't know equivocally that vaccines are the cause of of any disease extinction. At best all we see is the timing... that the vaccine administration seemed to be around for some time before the eradication of the disease. We absolutely for a fact don't know that it was the vaccines that did the job. It might easily have been something else, like a form of hygiene. But even if vaccines do work....

2. We know that not all vaccines are created equal. That is, we don't know which vaccines from which companies from which batches are the simple, working vaccine, and which have all kinds of extra stuff in them that is or could be poison.

3. #2 is authenticated by the CDC's own websites in areas.

4. We know through the efforts of Robert Kennedy, Jr., that the medical hasn't been doing the vaccine safety tests that have been required by law for the last 30 years. And now that independent labs...

5. Safety testing by independent labs has shown that the majority of vaccines are not safe in some ways, and some of them are downright dangerous and full of poisons and all kinds of other things, for which there seems to be no reason for them being in there.

6. The vaccine companies have been lying about the safety of the vaccines throughout all the new findings about the dangers of vaccines. They lie about the safety even when they post the poison list right on the label. Sounds like they are about as far from ethical as anyone can get.

When you put all this stuff together, today's vaccines aren't safe. Why not? Nobody ever proves to you that the batch where your particular vaccine came from was one of those that was safety tested. They might tell you that it is all safety tested good, but they don't prove it to you by showing you the reports, with the witnesses who did the tests.

Today's vaccines are simply dangerous.

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There may be some dangers in vaccines, sure, nothing is 100% safe.
Would you rather have the vaccine or the disease, though?
It's kind of skewed in countries where almost everyone is vaccinated, because these diseases just aren't seen as a threat anymore.
Measles is a good example of this. It's deadly. That's why we have vaccines. Look at the numbers on this chart. This is hundreds of thousands of people dying each year from a disease that we can vaccinate against. Vaccination is a huge help. That's why the number of deaths is no longer in the millions each year.

https://www.cdc.gov/globalhealth/resources/reports/annual/2017/images/measles-chart.jpg
https://www.cdc.gov/globalhealth/resources/reports/annual/2017/global-immunization-division-gid.html

The CDC was stone cold busted covering for the MMR vaccine by chaning study protocols and destroying data via whistle-blower Thompson and nobody that I'm aware of has ever denied his charges.  Why should anyone rely on numbers from that corrupt organization?

Anyway, the ailment only became 'deadly' when the powers that be started marketing as such:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDb0ZS3vB9g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDb0ZS3vB9g)

I was only able to find that vid again on Jewtube because I knew hash string, and I only knew that because I had downloaded the video as I do with most vids I expect to be completely censored rather than just hidden.

What is in mind of those who are against vaccination?

The saving of their own lives along with a bit of good health.

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https://www.who.int/csr/don/24-september-2019-polio-outbreak-the-philippines/en/

We need the polio vaccination program to ensure that the poliomyelitis virus doesn't go completely extinct.

It's not nice to drive organisms into extinction, you know?  Polio owes Bill and Melinda Gates a debt of gratitude for their efforts at preserving biodiversity (of human disease causing organisms) which were severely threatened by advances in human nutrition and hygiene.

Edit:  The above won't make sense to someone who didn't read the first para of the link:

"On 19 September 2019, the Philippines declared an outbreak of polio. Two cases have been reported to date, both caused by vaccine-derived poliovirus type 2 (VDPV2). Environmental samples taken from sewage in Manila on 13 August and a waterway in Davao on 22 August have also tested positive for VDPV2."

Some people could read it and still not know what it means.  Other pro-vaxers would apply their brand of logic and know that it is better for their kids to have the vaccine-strain polio virus than none at all because their knowledge and logic came from their beloved and trusted health care leaders (corp/gov).

Actually you are right! All life or near-life has its place in the ecology of whole earth life.

Earth is gradually dying. Life is gradually going extinct. There is devolution all around. We should be freezing and saving specimens of all life, so that we can analyze it better when we have better techniques. Why? Because all life has its good points. It all has good use in some way. We might need it for something good later.

I expect that you weren't at all serious the way you said it. But you are right.

Things aren't as bad as one might think... about extinctions, that is. I don't know that I believe in the hollow Earth idea. But in this video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kD4xdqdllw - there are some scientific things that are said to be hollow Earth evidences, but are actual facts. One of them has to do with the thousands of new life forms that have been found. Some of them have supposedly been extinct for a million years.

The good point is that some of these life forms probably have microbes within them that will prove beneficial. I don't know the exact location of the part about the new life forms on Earth. Seems to me that it is about halfway in. So, watch it if yo are interested.

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They think that it is just a one shot vaccine without realizing its preventive measure against particular disease. Here in the Philippines the parents are in fear of having their child taking vaccine because of the dengvaxia vaccine controversy, in which many children died because of the alleged complications of such. However, it is not yet proven. Now they are thinking the side effects of the vaccine instead of its effect which provide active immunity from particular disease.

^^^ Except that vaccine benefits haven't been proven. Do you have proof other than talk? And vaccine safety hasn't been proven.

Since other people have shown the dangers of vaccines, and since nobody has proven that there are benefits to vaccines - it may have been timing - good idea to not get vaccinated. After all, your kids are counting on you to do good for them. So you need proof rather than some dimwit doctor telling you something that makes him a bunch of money if he keeps saying it.

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The main reason polio virus is still alive is because of people mentality in developing countries that polio vaccine is not good for kids and pharmaceutical companies earning by selling it. That's one of reason why they abstain there kids from polio vaccine.

Not according to Dr. Carol Baker. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyXuPwsLGWI)  She prescribes getting rid of all the white people in the United States because it is the third-world immigrants who want to get vaccinated the most.

This was at a conference populated disproportionately by (((certain people))) who sometimes consider themselves to be 'chosen' and to have souls which are from holiness.  All others (white, black, brown, yellow) are of a different seed and their souls which stem from the demonic spheres.  We goyim are animalistic by nature and need the guiding hand of God's Chosen People to have a place in the world to come.  Look it up!  Seems that we also need certain guidance for our immune system's as well.

Anyway, it is the highly educated elite who are demonstrably resistant to corp/gov vaccine regimes.  Scientists, engineers, etc.  The poor and the desperate generally have no trouble selling their immune systems to Big Brother for a bowl of rice just as Dr. Baker noted.

The medical is going down, as far as the $profits go, at least. So, they are doing all they can to make sure their profits remain. They almost can't lose... one way or the other.


Cancer genes in MMR vaccines (https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/272160-2019-11-21-cancer-genes-in-mmr-vaccines.htm)




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In the head of people who do not vaccinate their children sits a monkey with a tambourine. In my country, children without vaccinations were not allowed to go to kindergarten before. And parents were forced to get vaccinated.

At least the unvaccinated kids could listen to the music in their heads. The vaccinated ones lose their ability to hear anything. It's not that their heads are empty, or even solid rock... more like mush.

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Wow!  What totalitarian state is that?  China?

The dream of such control is pretty universal among leaders through history, and forced vaccination is the dream that most political leaderships around the world share, but so far mostly non-democtratic dictatorships seem to have been able to pull it off.

The sad fallout is that those who have been indoctrinated into believing that every vaccine that the vaccine makers want to sell is necessary for the public good convinced themselves that it is more important that everyone get their flu shots than it is to have a non-totalitarian leadership.  Thus they will (and largely do) welcome a totalitarian form of government.  To save us all from one another.  Pretty classic 'divide and conquer.'

They've done the same trick with global warming, and there is a strong correlation between those who fell for both tricks.


Such people are unlikely to pose a threat to the leadership.  And they will be willing servants because if they are not they won't get help for the chronic health issues that they have complements of the vaccination.

  'Diet, Injection, and Injunction will combine, at an early age, to produce the kind of people that the leadership finds desirable.'

I was simply trying to answer his point gently. As you well know, there must be some trick that we are all falling for, because we all die. So, is it even personally profitable to even waste time taking part in this forum?

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https://www.lewrockwell.com/2019/11/no_author/healthsacrificial-virgins-a-must-see-documentary-about-young-girls-being-severely-damaged-by-hpv-vaccines/

And watch the video in the link to find out how to flush aluminum from the body before (or after) you get Alzheimer's.

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The way I do it is pretty simple.  Drink water which is naturally high in silica.  Certain deep wells produce such water.

I actually don't drink it a lot because I don't have much reason to have a lot of aluminum in my system, but for my family who got dosed up (including my daughter who was 'accidentally' given soap (in the vitamin K), and AAHSA nano-particles in the Hep-B shot in when she was taken out of our sight for a brief time) they do drink such water.

Speaking of my daughter, she was lively an alert at birth.  Over the course of the next several weeks she declined until one day she slept almost the entire 24 hours.  About a week after she was scheduled for her 'well baby' shots she started to perk back up.  Needless to say, we skipped all of the vaccines.  At 4 months she is very alert, sleeps all night and plays all day, is 6.7 KG is starting to say a few words, etc.  She got a stuffy nose once and it went away in a few days.  Also a bit of a cough which also went away in a few days.  She's got a sister in public school who brings home everything under the sun which is exactly the way I want it.

I think it a very strong hypothesis that the 'vaccine schedule' is designed specifically so that parents never see their kid in a normal state.  There is no logical risk-based reason associated with the diseases that the vaccines are advertised to protect against for 'the schedule' to be followed with a high degree of rigor, yet that's promoted fanatically by the corp/gov medical system.  There IS a reason for the schedule to be followed rigorously if the goal is to keep kids chronically abnormal (while maiming and killing few enough of them that the damage is not obvious to the highly propagandized public.)

The problem with vaccination is religion. Shifting from the way of life which you've grown up with in a long time isn't easy. In time, we will all be healed of our ignorance.

I grew up as an Athiest and am one to this day.  Science was and is my religion, though I've recently mixed in history which has given me a lot of respect for the _man_ known as Jesus Christ.

Because I considered myself an Atheist and an enthusiast of science I bought all of the 'science' about vaccines on the basis that 'all the top scientists' worked very hard to develop them, and surely these pure-as-the-driven-snow scientists would be very careful and would never harm anyone.  As recently as mid-way through the life of this forum I basically had no questions about vaccines.

Then I actually dug in and analyzed things for myself and listened to the evidence presented by scientists who didn't subscribe to the mainstream corp/gov medical/industrial complex narrative.  Along with some other socio-political observations I passed right through the 'five stages of vaccine awareness':

https://pics.me.me/the-five-stages-of-vaccine-awareness-1-vaccines-are-safe-41234718.png

Eating food must be a religion. Look at all the fat people there are around.

Vaccination is a religion.

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https://www.activistpost.com/2019/11/fda-shocking-study-cells-used-in-vaccines-contaminated-with-serious-viruses-including-cancer.html

There are so many things on the mind of those who are against vaccination. Some of them in some part of Africa are of the believe that vaccination reduce birth rate while some are of the believe that since it is given free of charge it must have some negative effect on human if they take it, this is because they attached more value to what they paid for than what is free of charge.

But worldwide, mostly it's safety.     8)

They believe in come kind of conspiracy theory I think, as if vaccines were created to exterminate people. Or some just don't believe they really work. Or they are too lazy. With this kind of approach, if the plague appears again, I won't be surprised

Not all anti-vaxxers feel or think the same way. But look at it from the other direction.

A high percent of problems could be eliminated through good hygiene. And, it is often the societies that don't have the best hygiene where the vaxx people do their vaccinations before introducing the good hygiene. And, then the good hygiene is introduced after the vaccinations, so that people can't tell if it was the vaccinations or the hygiene that helped them. Looks kinda suspicious.

Now we are finding that the vaccines are doing more damage than good, sometimes by spreading the actual disease that they are supposed to prevent, and other times by causing new diseases that are worse than the ones that they are trying to prevent. Even the medical documentation shows us this.

All you have to do is look on the sides of medicine bottle to see the words "May cause...," and then a whole bunch of side effects are listed. But they don't have to legally list the side effects of vaccines, so they don't. And they don't even look for what those side effects might be. Sounds kinda suspicious.

Be smart. Be safe. Find out what the side effects of vaccination are before you let them shoot a whole bunch of stuff directly into your body. After all, in nature it is basically the poisons that are being injected directly into the body: snake bites; bee stings; manta-sting rays; thorns from bushes. There isn't much that goes into your body by nature, which bypasses the digestive system, that does you any good. And modern medicine thinks that it is smart enough to inject all kinds of crap into your blood, and have the outcome be a good one?

It's starting to sound not suspicious, but rather like war against the lives of the people.

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EDIT:

Swine Flu Vaccine Injury Settlements Reveal Health Authorities & Big Pharma Are Partners In Crime - http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/272406-2019-11-26-swine-flu-vaccine-injury-settlements-reveal-health-authorities-big-pharma.htm

Subverting Vaccine Propaganda in Canada - http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/272404-2019-11-26-subverting-vaccine-propaganda-in-canada.htm.

Mother Explains Why Her Daughter's Death From Vaccines Isn't Reported In The Statistics - http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/272395-2019-11-26-mother-explains-why-her-daughters-death-from-vaccines-isnt-reported.htm.

Facebook Bans All Content On Vaccine Awareness, Including Facts About Vaccine Ingredients - http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/272373-2019-11-26-facebook-bans-all-content-on-vaccine-awareness-including-facts-about.htm.

Choices made most times by parents/Guardians who do little or no good research. It’s would have been a long solved issue (Vaccination being good or bad/when/who should be vaccinated) if these parents decide to do their job. Unfortunately, it’s a Choice that would affect someone else’s life and not the parent’s. It would be easy if kids were able to make some decisions themselves, and face the consequences that results.

At least if the kids made the choices, we'd find out the ones who were masochists, and the ones who were cowards.

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The trick is not to 'exterminate' people.  As you say, that is easy.  TPTB usually use wars for that (see Syria, Yemen, etc, etc.)

The trick is to milk people as much as possible before they die.  Making them sick with incurable, painful, and expensive ailments, combine with jacking up the cost of medicine and health care, is just the ticket.

Autoimmune problems and 'affordable health care' fit the bill perfectly.  With socialized medicine you can milk the cows by proxy.  That is to say, plumb all the cows together so that you can keep milking a cow (who has mysteriously developed, say, MS) even after they have become indigent.

I'm really talking about the ones that do real research and talk to their doctors regarding this. As I do think that for some people, the side effects may truly outweigh the benefits to the person itself.

I do understand the argument regarding the fact that all people should be vaccinated and that it helps everyone if this is the case. But I do think that if there are legitimate side effects that people are having, that can be proved, there is something that should be done.

However, what's the biggest side effect? Loss of freedom, through subverted information. The doctor doesn't have time to find out the truth.

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I need to tell you how very important vaccines really are. I was at the mall, a good-sized mall. On my way in, there was a young mother taking care of her two little children... say, around 3 and 4 years old (guessing). It seems that the younger one was being stubborn, and Mom didn't know what else to do to quiet the child. So, she threatened the little girl with being taken to the doctor for another vaccine shot. So you see? Vaccines ARE important after all.

Break it all down and find what it is all about... below.


VACCINES: Beyond VAXX & ANTI-VAXX. Beyond "Left" & "Right" (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/273565-2019-12-20-vaccines-beyond-vaxx-anti-vaxx-beyond-left-right.htm)




VACCINES: Beyond VAXX & ANTI-VAXX. Beyond "Left" & "Right"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH_Kv8tmaeA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH_Kv8tmaeA)


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In my country there has no issue about vaccination because it takes a lot of research before they use. There are a lot of people will be died in case they didn't tested it so there's no problem because they sure their vaccines before they inject or give to people. I also intake vacine when I was a child and until now I don't feel anything.

In my country there was also a measles break out because of the parents that doesn't trust immunization due the previous government scandal regarding DOH vaccines that was more dangerous instead of a cure to deadly disease.
That's why, most parents didn't trust vaccination in my country, they have a pretty good reason unlike other countries who doesn't like it for no reason.

So we see that even the people who like vaccine jabs are starting to realize the dangers of the lack of safety studies for most vaccines.

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They are distrusting of the government, pretty much. And usually they were convinced by some stats, that were probably made up about the government trying to poison people through vaccination.

Pretty much without exception I find the 'stats' which have been flagrantly fabricated come from one (of the many) entities who are focused on getting as many people as possible injected with as much as possible.

It's actually pretty interesting to see how the techniques of deception vary between the pro-vax entities.  Some of them will give themselves a legal out when they lie, and some will just shamelessly make stuff up.

Generally speaking, government agencies in pharma companies will have something like 'we know of no studies have proven harmful effects', but they don't mention that any of the studies which have have been rejected on the basis that vaccines have no harmful effects and thus any study which shows them is automatically rejected as a valid study.  They also don't mention that any studies which can show a negative effect are not funded by any entity but altruistic private ones, and any scientist who participates in such a study can kiss their career goodbye and will have to look for a new line of work.

Mainstream media, on the other hand is totally happy to make utterly absurd claims such as that the measles mortality rate at 50%, or claim that '67 children died from measles in one hospital' when the official number for nation-wide mortality from the DOH isn't even that high.

https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/biologics-research-projects/investigating-viruses-cells-used-make-vaccines-and-evaluating-potential-threat-posed-transmission

Yes you are right that this is a social problem and education is the solution to this social problem. Most people in our country believe in being illiterate. I do not support this vaccine. I once saw a young child suffering from the vaccine. That's why most parents now don't trust the vaccine.

"The Pertussis resurgence: putting together the pieces of the puzzle."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28883970

The 'puzzle' isn't that hard.  The vaccine doesn't work very well for very long.

People who take the vaccine end up harboring the wild strain bacteria without getting sick, but they do spread it around to others.

If these highly vaccinated walking disease factories among us were JUST making non-vaccinated people sick that would be fine with most pro-vaxxers.  In fact, they've been so indoctrinated that they have turned into such sadistic creeps who would probably take pleasure at the thought of spreading diseases to non-vaccinated people.

The trouble is that since the vaccine doesn't work (a fact which somehow slipped by the 'scientists' when they did the initial 'trials') even vaccinated people are getting infected.

Yep. It just slipped by the scientists and doctors. Guess they just don't know enough to be sure they are doing good. Maybe they are upsetting the whole apple cart of nature's better protection.


Whooping Cough Outbreak Despite A 100 Percent Vaccination Rate Forces School Closure In Texas (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/273836-2019-12-25-whooping-cough-outbreak-despite-a-100-percent-vaccination-rate-forces.htm)




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I can just imagine how that conversation went.  Probably something like:  HHD: "Shut the fuck up about the 100% vaccination rate and help us blame the anti-vaxxers or we'll have the DA bring charges against some of the pedophiles in your archdiocese."

Vaccination is administer to both Children and Adults   depending on the type of vacines at certain age and times it seems right for it to be administered  .And the purpose which in most cases is to eradicate  poliomyelitis, hepatitis..etc Cases of which have had adverse effect on the citizens.This program is usually sponsored by government parastatals in conjunction with the Health department. The lack of adequate  health information  and the knowledge of the consequences of not been vaccinated at the right time can lead to Consequential Result in the life of the individual .

For me, I think vaccination should be a decision for oneself. An adult should make a decision while child should be vaccinated by default up until when he can make a decision as to whether he wants to continue or not. For someone who have lived or know someone who has been plagued by polio would know that vaccination is a serious issue that children or parents be given the option to opt out from that kind of treatment because its simply a way to excuse the life of unending pain.

Im not sure why people would opt not to be vaccinated as they're already proven to work. And parents chooaing fo not get their children vaccinated is beyond me. I mean, if you're thinking about the welfare of your kids, then you should know that you're putting then at bigger risks if you don't give them shots. Most common diseases that killed a lot of people before can be negated by simple vaccines.

You are asking the wrong question. If I told there was a chance your hamburger was poisoned and you refused to eat hamburger, would you consider it a valid retort to claim you refuse to eat and that food is proven to nourish you, or would you just skip the hamburger and eat carrots? People love simplifying this debate into pro and con. The real debate is over the fact that working vaccines are not exclusive of poisonous additives, and no one should be compelled to use them. Framing the whole debate as if people are only denying vaccination is a thing completely is just horse shit.

These 'class' of posters tend to have 'get paid to post' ads associated with their accounts, and they all just parrot a standard set of corp/gov talking points.  I have to wonder if you are not talking to an AI bot thing which has evolved some since we started seeing them some years ago.  You notice that they don't try to make any comment or argument which takes into account any previous thread commentary so it would be hard to call it AI.  Just the A part more or less and certainly not technologically cutting edge.  The prose tends to be just the same old boilerplate that all 'normies' adhere to already.  If it is bot it is getting better with grammar at least.

In my honest opinion, I would suggest parents to vaccine their children.

There are some vaccines which do have side effects which cant be predicted earlier but the usefulness is higher than what people think.

In my country, a lot of people is afraid of vaccination because there is a lot of issues that some of the terrorist make a fake vaccine to kill people. I do not know the reasons why. Or because they are terrorist so some of my other fellow country mens are afraid that instead they are safe. They will be dead because they intake a fake vaccine from terrorist

The issue with vaccination is very much a perspective thing. To some, it remains a question of who has brain washed who...? Some religion very much preaches against the vaccination practice but an educated person will always encourage it. Vaccination in it self is simply a preventive measure of some or a particular infection or disease from occuring in the life of an animal by administrating some drugs, mostly at an early stage of its life time. It is a breakthrough in science and modern day medicine but ignorance continues to persist amongst some.

Except for all the coincidences of people being normal people until they get vaccinated. All of a sudden, following the vaccination, they become sick or die. Was it the vaccine? Nobody can test things like that to say for sure it was or wasn't the vaccine. All we have to go one is the timing... the coincidences. Better to be safe than sorry.

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It would be fairly straightforward to perform studies to discover the damage done by vaccines.  With almost no doubt they are commissioned regularly by the designers of the vaccination programs, but in secret and the results are certainly not made public.  The material which is in the public domain is damning as hell, and is fairly exhaustive in fact.  Few people take the time to even look for it.  (Darwinian evolution in action.)

The people designing the vaccination programs are psychopaths.  That is easily seen by the tiny fraction of their programs which have been looked into (e.g., the Sackler family with their valium/oxycontin/fentanyl franchise) through legal discovery.  The homicidal disdain they have for ordinary people displayed in their corporate memos and board meeting minutes is appalling.  These people are easily capable of poisoning people with vaccines for profit and paying off any authorities to look the other way.  Very easily.

To Big Pharma, causing disease kills two birds with one stone.  It makes them rich pretty much beyond measure, and it helps with what they perceive as the overpopulation problem.   Often enough it's an overpopulation of non-useful goyim or ones which have already been used and worn out (e.g., injured U.S. servicemen who can no longer effectively fight for a greater Israel.)

All right, all right. We CAN test things like that.     8)

The medical is beginning to cave in on vaccines.


http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/274420-2020-01-06-medical-experimentation-via-vaccines-proof.htm (http://)




Video = https://www.brighteon.com/425c7715-1f74-4f3b-8236-cdd95046e2f7.


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https://www.collective-evolution.com/2020/02/07/new-hpv-vaccine-study-explains-why-its-uncertain-if-the-vaccine-even-prevents-cervical-cancer/

You have rightly said that ignorance persists in modern-day people but I think many diseases can be cured by vaccination. After the birth of a child he is vaccinated with regard to his health so that he will not have any problems in his later life.

Ignorance is bliss, the more I observe today's western society, the more it's getting close to the Orwellian reality. I agree on everything you said except diseases can't be cured by vaccination, they only can be prevented by it

If people won't start taking notice of how they are being harmed, isn't it their own fault when they die?


Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. on the Stunning Corruption in the Vaccine Industry... (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/276536-2020-02-09-robert-f-kennedy-jr-on-the-stunning-corruption-in-the.htm)




RT America Interviews Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/YGlE3AJWEOY/hqdefault.jpg?sqp=-oaymwEjCPYBEIoBSFryq4qpAxUIARUAAAAAGAElAADIQj0AgKJDeAE=&rs=AOn4CLA2PRCuP12v6wZdnO6BD79gQE45pQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGlE3AJWEOY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGlE3AJWEOY)


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If a fireman was running around setting fires so he could have a secure job, how long do you think they would be allowed to operate for? Why is it the medical industry is allowed to profit directly from their own failures, which at this point seem more like fraud than incompetence? Failure in the medical industry is not a bug, it is a feature.

The fireman would be fired (and arrested) immediately.  Meanwhile, the fire department would continue fighting fires.

Just because firefighter arson is a thing doesn't mean that all firefighters are criminals.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefighter_arson

That isn't completely true. After the birth of a child, he is injected with disease and toxins to weaken his immune system, and to impair his natural development. This attempts to ensure that he won't have a later life.

Beyond that, even the pro-vaxxers don't claim that these things last 'for life'.  They want people constantly coming back to the clinic for periodic 'boosters' because what immunity they may or may not (fairly often not) confer is transient at best.

Getting the trivial childhood right-of-passage ailment and being mildly sick for a few days almost always gives life-long immunity which, as an adult, the mother passes on to her nursing child when the newborn infant is vulnerable.  This is real 'herd immunity'.  All the corp/gov vaccine lobby did is screwed up herd immunity that worked well for a hundred thousand years in a lot of these cases.

In other cases such as whooping cough they also made some people into asymptomatic carriers of the wild strain microbe so they spread it around everywhere they go.  Since the vaccine is increasingly failing to give any immunological protection at all, the increasing number of 'outbreaks' are in highly vaccinated populations and infecting people who are supposed to be 'protected because they are 'up-to-date.'

If you will get bitten by either dog or tick, please, don't vaccinate. Let the natural selection do its work.

If I get bitten by a tick and it gives me flu-like symptoms, I immediately take a round of antibiotics just in case.  I've done so twice in the past decade (and have not done so when a tick bite has not made me ill.)  This because I have a rather well developed understanding of the methods by which borrelia burgdorferi bacteria work in the body and what does and what does not work against them.

I also have a fairly well developed understanding of the history of using ticks and other such creatures to distribute non-lethal biological warfare agents through a population and an idea of the other microorganisms which have been deployed in this manner.  This just from researching a variety of readily available information.  Running to corp/gov for a 'cure' for something they very likely are responsible for giving you in the first place has some problems which I would hope are fairly apparent.

BTW, did you get your 'LYMErix™ vaccine'?  How'd that work out for ya?

No shit. That was my point. It wouldn't be allowed. I know you are super thirsty to "get me", but maybe put a little thought into your replies before you trip all over yourself in your rush to get your little jab in hmm? No one said anything about all of anything, that is your insertion. Are you saying that the medical industry ISN'T corrupt?

There are some people and kids who are allergic to these vaccins and some people die in past because of vaccins, not other people, but total in the world might be 10% of population who have allergies, so don't blame them if they are against it.

In the last 100 years, millions of people have been able to save lives due to immunization. But in many countries there has been a surge in vaccinations, and this trend is now increasing. The use of the vaccine began in the 1980. But before that, 26 million people died from the disease every year. According to the World Health Organization estimates, the number of deaths from measles vaccine use decreased by 80% from 2000 years to 2017 years. Decades ago millions of people were infected with polio or died of malnutrition or death. Now polio is almost eliminated. Those who oppose vaccination do not understand why. They should change their mind.

The biggest thing that stopped polio was this. The vaccines didn't work. In fact they caused polio. So the medical went about re-defining the symptoms. All of a sudden, instances of polio went way down, and instances of spinal meningitis went way up. This was done around 1960 or 1961.

You probably won't find this info unless you can find some of the old magazines around... magazines which aren't posted on the Net. What you can do is Internet search on "what really stopped polio" to see that there is more to the story than vaccines. Much or the more is hygiene.

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Yeah I don't really see the reason to punish an entire industry (and an entire fucking world when it comes to vaccines) due to the issues of certain companies within such an industry. We don't cut the funding for the police force because there are some bad apples in the police force.

If that's how we went about doing things, we'd have no one employed as they'd all be fired already. There are bad apples in every single facet of life, you live to work around them and thats it.

Firefighter arson though, good movie on that here - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0101393/

:)

Yes, prevention can be prevented  but in addition to these new diseases are now being discovered but vaccines and vaccines are being discovered  There are bad and good aspects of everything. Vaccines on the one hand  as good as the other  have bad side effects  Many are against vaccination but there are many viruses that cannot be cured without vaccination.

In my country vaccination is good and government sends medical facilities to rural areas and do vaccination and post regular advertisement and posters in public places  , parents must be educated and take responsibility also for proper care of children 

"One way to get around [the problem] of unplanned pregnancies creating a permanent underclass would be to legally enforce universal uptake of long-term contraception at the onset of puberty… Vaccination laws give it a precedent, I would argue,"

https://www.rt.com/uk/480977-downing-street-adviser-sabisky-eugenics/

Is it becoming clear enough that compulsory vaccinations are simply a pretext for transforming the world population into chattel property and promoting eugenics and genocide yet?

Yes, world wide conspiracy theory about vaccinations was just uncovered by Russia Today. Your trashy source doesn't prove anything about what you just said.

Why do you talk so silly? Few sources, even the one TECSHARE listed, ever prove anything.

Proof is found in experimentation. Also, it is considered to be found in court adjudication. Media ramblings are only hearsay, except when they show actual court records that can be found in books that record court records, or when they show the actual experimentation language used in the experimentation, with sources.

This is what Robert Kennedy, Jr. has been after all along. The law requires that vaccine companies do long-term studies to see if vaccines are dangerous. When Kennedy required through court action that those vaccine test records be provided, neither the government nor the vaccine companies provided them, though they had been required by law for the previous 30 years.

This is the proof that you can't trust the medical or the vaccine companies, or even the government. Or can you provide the tests the government couldn't and the vaccine companies wouldn't?

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I'd like to hear from antivaxxers their positioning on the eradication of smallpox through a 28-years-long worldwide campaign.

Smallpox is a disease that affected 15 million people per year in the 60s and killed around 2 million of those. Therefore, had that proportion maintained, smallpox would have killed as many as 80 million people nowadays.

Worth mentioning is that since Ancient China inoculation has been a treatment/preventive measure used against smallpox, decreasing mortality by around 40 times.

Source (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox).

So are you making the claim that the quote is faked? People with no argument often attack the source because they know they can't argue against the content.

Last year there's a controversy about vaccination here, some of those who got the shot died (only few) but its not clear if its due to the vaccine that is not yet proven to be effective to cure the certain disease. Because of this issue many parents were hesitant to let their kids vaccinated.

Personally I believe vaccines are needed to prevent diseases but its important to know if these vaccines are proven safe and effective before anything else.

It's only a bill so far, but it's about time somebody did this in a big way.


South Dakota Introduces Legislation Against Mandatory Vaccination Requirements... (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/277022-2020-02-17-south-dakota-introduces-legislation-against-mandatory-vaccination-requirements.htm)




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Sure, the side effect outweight the benefit just like the other member has earlier commented

*Otherwise, while all of a sudden vaccination at same time when everyone around the globe is ringing bell about climate changes & pollution.
Well, i think the govt. knows better that you are i that one of the less expensive  way's to control these sudden climatic changes it's through control of birth rate.

sure they are smarter than us, slow introduction of vaccination in different countries around the globe could be help control birth rate of the next generation if, not the present generation.

In italy, most women dislike this idea especially when govt seems to restrict children whose parent  donot support the idea of vaccination from going attending same school with the other kid's.

Thanks
Soldierwitlittlefaith

^^^ They can fool all of the people some of the time,
and they can fool some of the people all of the time,
but they can't fool all of the people all of the time.

People are waking up to their lies and deceptions.

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If it passes South Dakota be a refugee for all who are against having toxic injections.
 Outlaw all vaccine and medical mandate (https://www.ageofautism.com/2020/02/south-dakota-considers-first-state-bill-to-outlaw-all-vaccine-and-medical-mandates.html?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=3d7ca958f6963284f580dd2218ca503f63fe13a3-1582299216-0-AfIx3bqWdMaTzJIZ9DGo1Efw2h0T3k26P-rgtJuGcIVhkqF-iSYD4SpUhlCG76MPjxjK8gp-VfHa7qGNt15YwQmMv4B9RwnbsP0afSRBojy7oBdw3EHQU2ekZeq0bHOHQnVXyHag1lE01E2UyuKkNKbHytp6T8BZk-CnWYAXoU3cU0k2JOKUqKwxwOXTi_RVWns6E9lWH60z973CTBbyBP_RgVEbo9I49Y8uHHBXTbWbQF2e-j1DvVo3bEbz3ujjRNWKxrZ_ec9QP6EMzpBUI5L_goWZi49aVeuz8-WLoZAekdHA4yuT9vKSBxaUGPM4XVdA4eyoQyHWM4TLae2khnw3WkG7Yqpp1FQAoVD4zarXWCgKmxYslIyGNpzzZn0SCvn9peFtumRc3N8X4YBfddk)

and  Japan Banned Mandatory Vaccinations (https://healthimpactnews.com/2018/japan-has-the-lowest-infant-mortality-rate-following-ban-on-mandatory-vaccinations/)

Then after they get enough people into the State, and the people are settled in and paying taxes, then they will change the law the other way, and Big Pharma will make their money after all.

Rather, stand as a man/woman in court, facing the man/woman who is head of Big Pharma or Government, demanding billions for injecting you without your permission. Don't fight their corporations. Fight the man/women personally.

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In fact, everything is simple. Many people are against vaccines for several reasons. In many countries, children are vaccinated almost immediately after birth. Many vaccines contain mercury, aluminum, and other substances that are toxic to humans (study the composition of the vaccines). Opponents of vaccination are not against vaccination in adulthood (or at least after 10-15 years) if it is necessary at the moment, they just do not want to worsen the immunity of their children at birth (since this will affect their whole lives). And this is rational. In addition, antibodies to many viruses are transmitted from mother to child in the womb (so it makes no sense to be vaccinated against them again).
No need to go to extremes, and during some kind of strong epidemic - you can and should be vaccinated. But it is also important to study all the available information from various sources on the Internet.

Many people are opposed to vaccination and many of the diseases you say are right are used to prevent vaccination A vaccine designed to help prevent the coronary virus in China is administered via vaccine while vaccination is given to individuals between the ages of 15 and 60. There are many children in our country who are handicapped various measures are made to prevent it Those against it should keep this in mind.

Anybody can easily do searches that show that polio was the result for many kids of India who were vaccinated against it. The polio vaccine actually caused the polio. How many other vaccines are like this or worse?

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Vaccines available in the US
Even when all available toxins injected it wont protect agains new diseases like COVID-19. Development of new vaccine takes 12 - 18 months.

Disease	Vaccine	Options
Adenovirus		A live, oral vaccine against adenovirus types 4 and 7 is approved  for U.S. military personnel only.
Anthrax
	AVA	(BioThrax)
Cholera
	Vaxchora
Diphtheria
	DTaP	(Daptacel, Infanrix)
	Td	(Tenivac, generic)
	DT	(-generic-)
	Tdap	(Adacel, Boostrix)
	DTaP-IPV	(Kinrix, Quadracel)
	DTaP-HepB-IPV	(Pediarix)
	DTaP-IPV/Hib	(Pentacel)
Hepatitis A
	HepA	(Havrix, Vaqta)
	HepA-HepB	(Twinrix)
Hepatitis B
	HepB	(Engerix-B, Recombivax HB, Heplisav-B)
	DTaP-HepB-IPV	(Pediarix)
	HepA-HepB	(Twinrix)
Haemophilus influenzae type b	(Hib)
	Hib	(ActHIB, PedvaxHIB, Hiberix)
	DTaP-IPV/Hib	(Pentacel)
Human Papillomavirus (HPV)
	HPV9	(Gardasil 9) 9vHPV
Seasonal Influenza (Flu) only
	IIV*	(Afluria, Fluad, Flublok, Flucelvax, FluLaval, Fluarix, Fluvirin, Fluzone, Fluzone High-Dose, Fluzone Intradermal)
		*inactivated IIV3, IIV4, RIV3, RIV4 and ccIIV4.
	LAIV	(FluMist)
Japanese Encephalitis
	JE	(Ixiaro)
Measles
	MMR	(M-M-R II)
	MMRV	(ProQuad)
Meningococcal
	MenACWY	(Menactra, Menveo)
	MenB	(Bexsero, Trumenba)
Mumps
	MMR	(M-M-R II)
	MMRV	(ProQuad)
Pertussis
	DTaP	(Daptacel, Infanrix)
	Tdap	(Adacel, Boostrix)
	DTaP-IPV	(Kinrix, Quadracel)
	DTaP-HepB-IPV	(Pediarix)
	DTaP-IPV/Hib	(Pentacel)
Pneumococcal
	PCV13	(Prevnar13)
	PPSV23	(Pneumovax 23)
Polio
	Polio	(Ipol)
	DTaP-IPV	(Kinrix, Quadracel)
	DTaP-HepB-IPV	(Pediarix)
	DTaP-IPV/Hib	(Pentacel)
Rabies
	Rabies	(Imovax Rabies, RabAvert)
Rotavirus
	RV1	(Rotarix)
	RV5	(RotaTeq)
Rubella
	MMR	(M-M-R II)
	MMRV	(ProQuad)
Shingles
	ZVL	(Zostavax)
	RZV	(Shingrix)
Smallpox
	Vaccinia	(ACAM2000):
Tetanus
	DTaP	(Daptacel, Infanrix)
	Td	(Tenivac, generic)
	DT	(-generic-)
	Tdap	(Adacel, Boostrix)
	DTaP-IPV	(Kinrix, Quadracel)
	DTaP-HepB-IPV	(Pediarix)
	DTaP-IPV/Hib	(Pentacel)
Tuberculosis		Many foreign-born persons have been BCG-vaccinated
Typhoid Fever
	Typhoid	Oral (Vivotif)
	Typhoid	Polysaccharide (Typhim Vi)
Varicella
	VAR	(Varivax)
	MMRV	(ProQuad):
Yellow Fever
	YF	(YF-Vax)

After how many injections is someone classified as narcotics peddler or addict.

The reason behind is , a superstitious, they think there is injecting like a software that will control ourself.

Plenty of people who work on the new nucleic acid 'vaccines' themselves liken their product to software engineering.

They are designing (writing) genetic sequences (code) which code for specific proteins (results) and injecting (staging) them into tissue and inserting (uploading) these RNA through cell membranes to be integrated (executed) by the cellular machinery (factory.)

The analogous nature of biology and computer science rarely fails to impress.  At least not to people who have a grasp of both sciences.  I've seen some pretty shoddy work in the field of software engineering, and I've seen indications that those working on biological systems are vastly more ambivalent design and about quality control.  It doesn't seem to bother them in the slightest that they have no idea what the impacts will be other than that they achieve the objective of getting certain antibody counts up to a billable level.

It should be increasingly obvious that those deciding what should be injected into your tissues don't give a flying fuck what you want or don't want, and they soon won't have to care about that in the slightest.

The program won't start until they have achieved the goal of 100% control of the population when it comes to medical procedures, and the stage is just about set to have that be a reality in many countries.  That is mere months by my estimates.  I am anticipating the forced needles waiting for 'the next one (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Xz6qxiDCz4)'* however.

Although in places like the U.S., the military will be 'helping' get the population injected in with their "full power and strength", the real heavy lifting needed for forced injections will come from your own friends, family, and neighbors.  That's what I call 'competent' social engineering at the very least.  Credit where credit is due.

(*) It's interesting that this clip is practically promoted by Jewtube while even a photo of a box of masks stipulating that the product does not protect against viruses is enough to get people banned from social media these days.  Something interesting is going on here.

Anti-vaxers are, in most cases, against entire "system" and this is what defines their mindset.

That's a comment from the indoctrinated. Those of us who are opposed to vaccination are usually the ones who have done some research, and know people who have been severely damaged by vaccines. I am unable to find any positive benefit from an inferior system that tries to emulate the human immune system, and creates collateral damage whilst it does it. You know that vaccination is suspect by the way they are rushing to push unsafe vaccines onto people, who have already developed a natural immunity. Doesn't that make you stop and think that there may be some other reason for wasting billions of the taxpayer money on something that is no longer needed?

As an 'anti-vaxer' [_{who requested certain vaccines for my 'unvaccinated' kid based on hard-core research}] I can affirm this.  I am definitely against the system of eugenics, social control, rent-seeking, and flat out extortion which characterize the vaccination programs run by 'developed' corp/gov governed countries...with a lot of pressure from the U.N., World Bank, IMF, and associated criminal enterprises.

I am pretty sure you would change your mind if you have the chance to save a life of a family member with a vaccine. Kids and Teenagers are not really affected that hard by corona, so they are not the first priority for a vaccine. It's a much higher risk for elderly people and high risk patience with lung conditions.
Imagine your parents life in a retirement home with a lot of other people, of which some are infected with corona. Would you not want your parents to get a vaccine? I definitely would.

So why are the elderly more at risk?
Because they have been pumped full of poisonous pharmaceuticals, and injected with useless and dangerous vaccines. I

Vaccines is for does who think they where born with a defect. They also think a guy in a white coat is smarter as nature (creator) and he will fix it if you give him some money.

Yup:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHoxsSK_DXo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHoxsSK_DXo)

In spite of the abundant evidence that it makes people more susceptible to coronavirus, they keep pushing flu shots, and especially on oldsters.  They are even doubling down.

It is hard to escape the conclusion that 'they' are trying to do a great deal of damage with medications as a policy.  With that in mind, no thinking person would take whatever it is they come up for as a innoculation 'against' so-called covid-19.  Or even get a 'test swab' shoved to the back of one's throat.  God only knows what they are trying to implant with that procedure.  And there were early reports of the 'tests' themselves being contanmiated with so-called 'SARS-cov-2'.