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Edit:
This seems to be a pretty controversial subject, so I decided to write this blog post to expand on my thoughts on this:
https://twitter.com/CSGOEmpireV2/status/1375068884584267778

I'm curious to hear what the Bitcointalk community thinks about this topic;

Casinos using fake bets to attract new players.

I was surprised to learn that the vast majority of videos and streams on Roobet.com are actually fake.
Here are a couple of examples of different deal formats that casinos are making with the influencers:

A) Bet amount inflation; The streamer only wants to gamble with $100. The site gives them "$10000" in funds, but only 1% of this is withdrawable. The viewers will think that the streamer is gambling with $10000, while in reality, they're only risking $100.

B) Infinite refills; The casino makes an agreement with the streamer. Let's say they want to pay the streamer $50,000 for a sponsorship contract. They start giving the streamer endless $1000 refills, which the streamer is supposed to gamble with. They will repeat this process until they "win" $50,000. The streamer will pretend to be shocked and highlight this big win in all of their social media channels. However, the truth is that there were zero risks involved for the streamer, and the final outcome was already known -- It was just a matter of time.

I brought this topic up in Roobet's Bitcointalk thread, and I was quite surprised to see a lot of people defending them, saying that this is totally justified. They mentioned points such as:
- "This has been going on for years. It's normal in the casino community."
- "The streamers are honest about it. They have a disclaimer somewhere stating that it's fake." (Their explanations usually are very indirect and abstract.)

In my personal opinion, this sort of marketing is highly deceiving and dishonest. Roobet (and other casinos) are inflating their systems with fake bets, pretending to be more popular than they really are. This is a loss for both, legit sites that don't want to inflate their numbers, and legit streamers who don't want to participate in the circus of fake bets and fake reactions.

What do you think?

It's in the grey area for me, casino's specially start up, really needs to attract new customer. And maybe this sort of fake bets or fake money could be a good tool in the beginning. But after that, they should stop promoting their casino's this way.

It's a cut throat business, you really need to think and innovate on how to market your casino. And just like any other niche market, they could use any strategy to be ahead of the competition, just saying.

The question is, can we proved they are faking their bets?

If not then it will just remain a suspicion and it would not affect their reputation.

This can be similar to a trading sites which are faking their volume, and although per record they have a high trading volume but traders knows what exchange to trust, same with gambling, gamblers are smart and they value more the reputation of the site than what they will see in promotional marketing.

Absolutely.

It seems to be common knowledge by now, hence why I didn't bother to list the evidence in the starting post. But, here are a couple of things to show:
1)
Roobet video uploaded 2 days ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nyt-cgfKEbQ
Read the description: "All Balances you see on these videos is sponsored as part of my deal with the website."

2)
https://roobet.com/50k-pot-o-gold
Read the terms: "Sponsored funds will not reward tickets for the promotion."

If some people are still doubtful about this, I can spend some extra time to show more material. But, it should be quite obvious by now -- Pretty much all of their advertisers have somewhat admitted to gambling with monopoly money.

That is paid adverts which is included on streamer disclaimer and that is a common practice on advertisement. The streamer is not doing a casino review so don’t expect that they will post an honest feedback. I will agree with if the video is from Roobet official because that is the real deception. The streamer agree to that terms of advertisement for entertainment purpose only and not for an honest feedback review.

Do you think coke zero really don’t have sugar?  :D

I fell for Youtube Videos aswell who were gambling but in the end it was all staged. When you see big YouTubers gamble and win a lot of money you start thinking you can do so as well. Few years ago the first big scandal was with the CSGO case opening sites, where streamers were winning a lot of skins. In the end it came out that these streamers were actually owners of the gambling sites and could control the outcomes. I understand that casinos want to make advertisings as realistic as possible. But to be fair for you'd customers you should be making a disclaimer if the gambling is a promotion or real. I became much more sceptical in the last few years.

First of all, great topic and thread! I'm out of merits right now, but as soon as I get some back I'll get you a few.

Admittedly, I've also noticed that. Not only at Roobet but also at other casinos. It seems to be common practice to get users to bet higher sums, according to the motto: The streamer plays with $10,000 and I only play with a paltry $100. I think that's a gray area, but with unregulated casinos, like most of them here, there is nothing you can do about it, other than stay away from such casinos.

It is often the case that casinos still offer demo accounts where you can then get virtual $10,000 or so for your signup to test the service. At first glance, this demo account is indistinguishable from the real account, so streamers also use demo accounts to play and thus pretend to use a real account and thus real money.

reading your post history it seems that your problem is with moe_tv. I get why you are questioning Roobet and I agree. but, why not just file a case against moe_tv? reading your post it was clear that he was defaming you and spreading false information against you and encouraging people to get your gambling license to be revoked by giving a false report on curacao. I'd say with all this thing you have a pretty good case against moe for defamation case unless of course, everything he said about you is true. but who knows.

In addition to the topic of demo accounts: I have already used demo accounts for myself and I had to find out that you have significantly higher chances of winning and once I even hit the jackpot. Of course, that didn't do me any good because it wasn't real money. Casinos also want to lure users according to the motto that it is really easy to win, if it works with the demo account, then it also works with the real money account.

This is deception in my opinion and is illegal. Streamers who also get involved and play with demo accounts without making this known to the users and telling them that they have a higher chance of winning are, in my opinion, also guilty of deliberate deception.

I have to admit that this kind of promotion is somehow misleading to the gambling public. But I have also to admit that they are not really hurting anybody. I am not even sure if this is really cheating. How does it affect anybody if I want people to play at my site for free? In the end, it is the individual gambler who will decide whether to play or not in a specific gambling site. And the reason or reasons for the player to play is or are based on a certain standard he himself sets.

This is like newly-opened small restaurants, coffee shops, bar, etc whose owners are letting their friends eat and drink with huge discounts, a lot of freebies, or sometimes for free just to give a review, promotion, or even just physical presence at the place.

I genuinely do not like this idea, especially for those who are just starting and using the inorganic bets to lure in people. If the platform is good and enough marketing and advertisement is placed, it is the people's decision to play and make the bets for themselves, which will then continue to attract more players. Sponsoring other people to play in your site without instructing them to do and say certain things and letting them keep the profit to demonstrate how your platform works is a completely different thing. If that's their marketing strategy then I'm okay with it, but random bets from the platform itself to make it seem that people are playing on that site is rather shady and the platform should be, IMO, avoided.

all the time i believe they  dont have but i guess not anymore after you reveal the truth but what coke did was a false advert but in roobet they are honest as thier tagline  honest casino because they dont hide anything from us .
ill be more mad to the casino or to the streamer that decieves the public making us believe that you can win easily in the casino that they are advertising .
im not defending roobet but im only comparing roobet to the gambling site that are guilty

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This debate is classic in the slots streaming industry. Probably you have to paint the majority of streamers as deceptive/misleading, plus casinos that use their services as well. Kindly report it to Twitch. If Twitch ignores your report, take legal actions or whatever.

No casino war or streamer war here please :D

My Bitcointalk post history is practically empty. I've been a lurker for ages, but I made my first post in here just a couple of weeks ago.

Just to give you a little bit of context; I've been fighting against fraudulent operators in the gambling scene for years. In recent months, I've been investigating and calling out Moe for his shady activities. (To get a proper view of my real 'post history', have a look at https://twitter.com/CSGOEmpireV2)

While investigating Moe, I fell into this huge rabbit hole of fake bets -- At first, I figured out that Moe is creating fake content for Roobet, and shortly after I learned that almost all of Roobet's advertisers are doing the same thing.

What I'm trying to say is that this is another, separate topic. This post is not only related to Moe; It's related to all of Roobet's advertisers (which does also include Moe.)

On this accusations, I believed that we're not in a real world of gambling if they're using preprogrammed bets. That not fair to every gamblers who seems too serious about their actions pertaining on gambling set play.
I felt like cheated, and I am hoping right now that it won't be proven with strong evidence. Because in that case, online gambling reputation might turn down and might lost trust from users.

I very highly disagree.

- They hurt the naive people who see those ads, who are left with the false impression that gambling can be an easy way to make money. Especially minors can easily fall under this illusion when all of their favorite streamers and Youtubers keep showcasing their 'big wins' -- Without disclaiming the fact that it's completely fake.
- They hurt legit sites that don't want to participate in faking their bet amounts. Roobet, as an example, is pretending to be bigger than they truly are. A lot of people will follow the critical mass, and they will play in the casino which has the most activity. This is a loss for those casinos with better moral standards.
- They hurt legit gambling streamers and Youtubers who don't want to make fake bets with fake reactions. It's difficult for honest people to stand out with their bets of $50, while those fake streamers are pretending to gamble with tens of thousands.

I'm genuinely disgusted by the way Roobet runs their business. Their company is successful and highly profitable, and they could remain profitable even without doing all of this shady stuff. They made this explicit decision to choose the route of greediness, even though they had other options.

What makes the matter worse is that they're targeting lots of influencers who are primarily making content for children. As an example, they're sponsoring Jake Paul and Ricegum, which is absolutely disgusting, in my opinion. I could never imagine a respectable site like Stake.com to do anything like this.

Doing shady, dishonest stuff is a slippery slope; If Roobet is willing to create fake ads and massively inflate their bet counts on the website, this makes me wonder; What other immoral things would they be willing to do? Where would they draw the line? Based on what I've seen, it wouldn't surprise me even the slightest if Roobet would start directly scamming their customers. Based on my observations, their moral standards are non-existent.

Fake bets can have a very wide definition actually. What is fake? the odds or the incorrect displaying?

In this thread, I'm referring to "bets" done by advertisers where they don't actually risk anything, or the real value is substantially lower than the amount they advertise.

Example:
A) Youtuber makes a video of a "$50.000" win when in reality, they were playing with non-withdrawable funds.
B) Site makes an agreement with the Youtuber for $50.000. They give the Youtuber infinite refills of $1000 each up until the point that they "win" $50.000. The Youtuber then happily advertises this, pretending as if they actually won $50.000, even though this outcome was completely predetermined.
C) Youtuber wants to gamble with $100. The site boosts their credit value by 1000x so that it looks like they're actually gambling with $100.000.

That's why the house will always win because its their business, even the top gambling site have their own hidden agenda to attract gamblers and to gain more profit.

At least deal with the top gambling site, they offer good services and good security but of course you should not put all your money there since that's a risky way of making money and to some they gamble for fun only. Fake things are everywhere, always have your back-up research before you decide.

Much respect to your standard. However, naive people will always be hurt in this kind of world we are living in. Much of what we see around are fake nowadays. How I wish everything will be so genuine that no innocent individual would ever suffer from fake ads, news, promotion, education, promises, opportunities, etc.

Don't be misled by fake gamblers posing as real ones. I don't like Roobet's approach but I don't think it is illegal and so it is your responsibility to protect yourself against misleading promotion just as you need to protect yourself from misleading ads of fake milk, fake cheese, fake meat, fake flavor, fake ingredients, etc.

I'm just disappointed.

I've been under the impression that this community is very efficient at imposing self-regulation by not supporting shady operators. It's disappointing to see how warmly the Bitcointalk community treats Roobet, despite them very clearly trying to take advantage of you by immoral means.

I'm glad that the community has at least some standards these days -- For example, they're very quick to call out and shoo away gambling sites that are not provably fair. However, in my opinion, the bar is still really low.

In my view, it simply doesn't matter if you see gambling as nothing else but entertainment, if I see a player putting $50000 bet, it would be fun to watch the outcomes even though it's hyped. It would be pretty unwise to actually get influenced by such high rollers and then selling ones entire life to have such bankroll and then try to gamble like that, it simply shouldn't work like that! Casinos and gambling should be nothing but entertainment even though I get what you are saying. I do think it's a bit unethical even if it's legal and not cheating. Because it kinda creates a fake show which can influence people to gamble their life savings.

Thanks for creating this topic, I didn't know there was such a thing, honestly. I am okay with casinos sponsoring streamers if they disclose it, that seems like a normal practice that is common not just for gambling, but for YouTube videos in general. But sponsoring to me means just giving some money so that a person makes a review or give the initial bankroll, so that the person can stream playing with this money. I've watched the video, and the guy looks like he legit won a ton of money during the stream. If you're saying that his win was actually orchestrated (although for now I don't understand the proof you're suggesting), then it's a very misleading kind of way to advertise a casino.

I believe we can call this the ignorance of knowing something that is legitimate but scared to face the truth. This situations can happen because they want to cater new customers/users and it might have been effective in the past and might continue to use it in the future. Even though it is deceiving, its really not the users fault to fall in this kinds of traps because some of them are still winning even though the website is giving that kind of money. Using this kind of tactic is another marketing strategy for them and in some way when we talk about it, there is a chance that some people will still further pursue the use of their website OR stop interacting with the website at all. Its still better to stop this kind of tactic and be just straight up honest because this might be something that can be used for their downfall.

Maybe because due to competition thats why some casinos might be doing this strategy to attract new users and gain more confidence. This type of marketing in unacceptable and I hope only few are doing this type of trick, but as long as there is no hard evidence they are innocent and clean. In the end what is most important is they pay winnings big or small.

This is too ordinary situation here. Casinos using it mostly with payed bloggers to show that they winning and due to that - attracting newcomers who trust to their bloggers. In post Soviet countries there was a boom of such "bloggers" in 2019-2020, but now people know that mosts bets and games are fake and don't believe to such shit. The only exception is trusted sites, like pokerstars.

And also I think this was a normal action of a casino in order for them to have extra incomes or let's just say earninga on their own. Having these fake bets is definitely a unacceptable reason because the thing that we talked about here is money. Most of the people isn't just starting to earn some while others are having some a large amount of profit. Online gambling is one of the main idea on how people and gamblers won and earning today. These fake bets are definitely giving them some confidence and some of them think that the luck is there and will continue. I hope this kind of act will be removed and change because even if it is small amount, still it is a money that we earns.

I believe this strategy is not new, this is just part of the marketing strategy, maybe some will say it's a bad strategy but some may understand. However, the most important is knowing the site is legit and has the license to operate as that means regulators can investigate and they need to comply with certain rules and regulations.

Anyway, thanks for bringing this reality OP, some may not know it's happening.

I for one like the way you presented your argument. Your points a quite logical and straight to the point. That's really good of you. As for the topic of the thread, is it really a problem or an issue? Let's look at it  really?

It's a simple market strategy meant to stir in a gambler the will and desire to gamble and big wins. It isn't such a bad strategy, everyone in the field of business does this every now and then. Like in the insecticide industry, detergent industry and others. I cause of running adverts, they project a too good to be true for there reagents and in the actual, it isn't anything of that sort or as active as projected.
Its all the same  thing,  just in different perspectives. What is important is,
That a gambler isn't tricked or scammed and the gambler gets his or her money's worth and as at when due.

"It's a simple spell, but quite unbreakable"-Doctor Strange
This trick has been executed by countless running and/or closed down casinos in the past, and it's not like this is a first for the online casino industry. Although I do get your point where it kind of is unfair to the players as it exploits their brain's natural biases and heuristics, then again all products do that, McDonald's does that, and we don't tell them to stop what they are doing.

This is happening even in a land based casino, so it's not surprising that its happening in online casinos. It's a classic strategy for most gambling business as that's the best way to attract gamblers to play in their establishment (online or land based). It could be cheating but as long as no one complains with evidence, that would not make them guilty of facing any legal charges or whatsoever.

I guess it's important that every gambler has to be aware of this marketing strategy as its a basic thing to know.

I think almost all of the gambling site does it at their early stage to attract gamblers.
It wouldn't matter if it wouldn't affect their real gamblers bet if it wouldn't be rigged.
I think some of the old gambling site also have those fake bets or bots that keep on playing along with real gamblers to make it look that there are plenty of players.

Marketing strategy to attract more gamblers to try it out and see how luck permits them, but it's always gamblers responsibilities with all the actions. I get OP's intention and it quite good to bring this attention to those new to this kind of advertisement. There's always the other side of the box in each streaming/vlogging business, they will receive payments, they just needed to make sure that they'll be bringing traffic and possible gamblers to use the site services.


Like what I've said from the post I quoted above, it's the gamblers responsibilities to know all those basic thing that happened around.

Never to take any action just because of those  influencers, it's your money and you should take the full responsibilities behind.

I understand your source of frustration, however since they are being open about it you cannot really say that they are being deceptive since everything is out there for people to understand that it is not real, however I agree that such promotion while it may help on the short term is not going to help them over the long term as people realize of its existence and they prefer to play in other casinos which don't engage in those practices.

morality wise, it's, of course, a bit shady but since they are pretty much making it obvious the deception can still be seen as transparent here if we could just call it marketing technique. they spend money on promotion. it's not surprising that companies do this because the competition is really harsh in the industry. marketing can be in any form and just any casino will do it just to make their platform popular.

I am 100% supporting you in calling out Roobet for this sneaky strategy. It would have been perfect if all gambling sites play a fair game, reach organic growth and success, etc. But it's probably something we can only wish considering that it is not illegal to do so and even quite an acceptable strategy.

It is actually no different from gambling sites requiring its signature participants or even applicants to create an account on their sites. That's additional members who are not really interested to be users in the platform in the first place but have got no choice. There are also bonuses given away to those who actually place bets. There are just so many ways in order to get members. Some may not fit well to other's taste.

It's very common nowadays mate. And infact not just on a new gambling site its possible to happen. wherein in different sites as well such that promising a bonuses for each member who will contribute on their projects and etc..  It's just a props actually.. Because i have tried such sites but they are literally fakes all the stuff especially betting history and withdrawal etc.. In the first you will see it like a legit, but unfortunately after all your efforts in its all a bluff..

I have been watching gambling streams but I never had an idea about some fake bets like this. If this is true, it is up to the agreement between the streamer and  roobet. Since roobet will gonna lend some dollars for the streamer to play with but 100 usd is her/his talent fee then I don't see anything wrong with it. It's just that I am kinda surprise that there are some tricks like these.

However, this kind of advertisement will attract more players to deposit to their webaite if they see they are able to win huge like that of stremear. The only question that I am confused with is that, what if the streamer won huge using that lent bank roll? Will they give him additional payment?

Well your very first post from this account is this


Seems like you are really into giving what is inside the Roobet casino , is this really tend to help exposing the truth or you are behind something ? Just a  question nothing personal.


And regards to the faking issue , I think it does not talk about who is funding the streamer or what , the thing is The capacity of Players to Win in the game , Meaning the probability of fairness because this is what Online gamblers want to see in terms of staying in that specific site.

Roobet has gaining Huge players nowadays and for me? if they are really questionable ? Players will decide about that but it seems that they are contented in the Gambling site meaning they find no foul  on how roobet is operating their Online casino .

Just my 2 cents here.

old casinos already has lots of players so no need to put bots . putting bots does do more harm than just make their site lively because if there are competitions like roll hunting , waggering race , etc .

 they can fuel thier bots with unlimited balances so that they can secure their own sites prizes . its ruining the experience of legit gamblers , this is why i sometimes dont bother to participate in gambling competition because i know that its hard to win

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I think that's the point of why they do this kind of act.
It's just simply to promote it. Yeah, they might be refilling their balances endlessly but I think the purpose is to showcase that those winning amounts are possible.
I am not defending Roobet but more like defending the advertisers here.
It's a job and they must do whatever is told to them. Although there should be limits.

The same goes with shampoo commercials that don't really make your hair shine.
But look, they still keep on telling people the same thing decades ago even until now.

Read the thread again. It is not about paying the streamer. It's about the videos that shows that they are risking real money, but in fact they aren't, hence misleading users. The streamers are NOT given any real money to gamble on the site. They are given fake $10,000. So they aren't risking anything. All they are doing is placing "fake" bets on the site and increasing the bet volume.
So you are saying that they can post fake feedbacks because the casino is paying them to do so?
Again, paid for making fake review? Right, now that's questionable.

No, coke no sugar has no sugar at all. They use artificial sweetener. Artificial sweetener and sugar aren't the same thing.

I wonder the same actually. If even the streamer is given $50k to spend on games and entertain the viewers then it at least shows how quickly money can be lost in these games. I am sure the house edge remains the same for the player and for the streamer as well. If they are hindering the house edge for the player who streams, then it is just unethical I believe.

Yes and some youtubers or streamers will cut out the clippings of the big wins and then show them while hiding the ones where they lost which creates an illusion like the slot is working on a negative RTP. I don't like this either but nothing to verify if they are losing their own money or just paid by the casino to create the hype and get more players to the site.

No one supporting anything since there are limited things that one can do utilizing this forum:

(1) Negative feedback
(2) Flag

Kindly tell us which rules Roobet violates and whether the user deserves negative feedback or a flag so that the discussion can yield actionable results. If the discussion is about morality, you might start with this question: "Is gambling morally wrong?" (https://www.debate.org/opinions/is-gambling-morally-wrong)

Also, this thread might be more suitable on the Reputation board.

I also don't like the idea of these fake bets but like what the other posts have already mentioned, the forum can't do much about these type of content even if we're successful in driving the casino away from the forum I doubt they'll stop making these type of content since it's out of our reach.

It probably depends on the type of deal but I think it's unlikely they'll get extra since big wins aren't hard to pull off given that you have tons of bankroll to blow provided by the casino.

One of the common result that you can really anticipate with larger bankroll and hitting or racking up big wins or multipliers since you arent really minding if you do lost
since you know that you have unlimited or you can ask out again if you do lost it all.Fake bets or purely house capital bets in the form of faking a player does really happen
its just hard to spot or proven out that they've been doing such shady things because you cant really determine if those are real players or just dummy ones.
One of reason on why i cant really just trust up wagering or any promotions that do talk about leaderboards or trying out to make yourself in the rankings.

I don't have a problem with streamers only getting a percentage of what they win from sponsored money. I do have a problem if the funds that they win is completely unwithdrawable.

If that was the case, their reactions are completely faked and they have no vested interest in the funds that they are gambling with. All that does is inflate volume and potentially mislead players, which can certainly qualify as dishonest behaviour.

It is something that needs to more scrutinised in the community imo. There is a fine line between fabrication of bets and running legitimate promos.

Op, are you trying to target roobet because they spend too much on their advertising? Because the proof can be for other websites too but you have been mentioning roobet only. And this is not a surprise to anyone who knows how casinos pay big to their users or some streamers to advertise their website and showcase about what is different with them that cannot be found elsewhere. I know that all these casinos have some similarities and they can't deny that as well, but small casinos opening startups every few days are a result of detached businesses or a need to give the old customers a new experience.

I got the picture of what OP is trying to clear and I will admit, I don't really like that action.

However, in most cases, the overall reputation of that involved site can't just be justified in that action. It's more of entertainment, well obviously as a part of promotions, but as long as the site is running legit on their operation and they are good to their service, that's what users like.

Let the community judged in their own way of how they look at that action. You already did your job opening this concern of yours and thanks for that.

I think that from the side of streamers this is a deception (if they did not warn their viewers), but from the side of the casino it is not. The casino can give even a million dollars for the game - this is an ordinary promotion, any attentive viewer will see how much money was lost before the planned win and draw conclusions.
Quite recently, by the way, Poker Stars handed out free tickets to the tournament to the top streamers of the twitch (for an ordinary participant, tickets would cost around $ 500) and the streamer had to show his participation in the tournament. Was this a scam? I think no.

Try to read carefully what OP has posted. It's not with spendings but the way Roobet is doing some fancy streams via a streamer. Supposedly, the stream should not be fabricated nor affiliated directly to Roobet but based on what OP has shared, they are giving some fake money to bet for that streamer to be used on his session, and in the case of jackpot or big wins, that's a big attraction to those viewers.

Since it's not illegal in the first place, then up to their users if how they will react to that situation. No one scam in the process and that's more important. They just use an inappropriate trick to gather more users on the site which is not necessary for me seeing at their current status and popularity.

This is a very sensitive subject, and I also don't want to blame any gambling sites. But if it is true that there are gambling platforms that are doing
promos by means of fake bets or fake money, they should stop immediately doing that. Because there will be a lot of gamblers who are
disadvantaged because of this, there are still many good ways that can be used to promote the casino. Because if we do bad things, it will end
badly too. But because doing a fake bets is not something illegal on this forum, even though I don't like promos like that. I can't do anything.

I can't remember the name but I caught a new gambling site manipulating their winning and betting stats it just won't add up, they have a lot of players playing games in their casinos but checking the traffic stat they are not yet indexed by Alexa when they should be because if these players are playing a minimum 5 minutes each one of them and the site is a week old they should be getting decent traffic.

They should not abuse it, they can post fake data but not to the point that they are exaggerating it, and make it appear that they are beating other more established gambling sites.

They do really come into that certain extent because they are really rushing up to fill some money into their pockets without even thinking that there are really
people who are really that skeptical when it comes to things or simply does have that kind of behavior where everything is really been valuated or verified out first in
all possible angles which means sooner or later they would really be busted out and when that time comes then its all over.You would really be making out some
suspicions specially if the site is just new and do really able to get lots of traffics or simply users even though the site's experience isn't justifiable.

Well an endorsed was paid to endorse a product or an establishment or a business especially gambling business to promote and not to endorse the business to ruin the business name and credibility. We can't blame those endorsers if that script or the role that was given to them were scripted or something else. Well maybe our main concern here was, why those endorsers accepted the offer knowing that this might some information that would bring people to a fake info or something else right.

I think they can give big or small balance to that streamer, and the streamer can tell that is part of the promotions. Both sides are not wrong because both want to promote the site, and if the viewers do what the streamer does, that will be the responsibility of that people because they know that is part of the promotion. If somehow, people lose their money because they use big money, people can not blame the streamer and the casino because gambling will have two option, which is won or lost,

As long as the casino does not cheat, which makes the members lose the money, that will be a mistake for the members not to take care of their money. That is why we as viewers or people who watch the promotion in many things need to be careful and always filter the bad thing that we see.

I neither support nor blame any problems in this case. Because I'm going to look at this from a general point of view. Marketing in the business world is very important, there are many ways that can be done to increase company value and attention from
its target market. What is, in this case, is part of the company's marketing strategy. There are many marketing approaches that have been taken, there are positive and negative sides. Even from the positive side, companies usually exaggerate their products which in fact all of them will lead to "HALF TRUTH". For me, no advertising or marketing strategy is 100% correct because there must be an element of exaggeration. For example, in a toothpaste ad, 9 out of 10 dentists say this toothpaste is the best. Yet all the advertisements say that. Can this be called fraud?

especially if this is a gambling company, which we certainly know is a very risky money circulation company. So, what we are concerned about is not the fraud in it, but how we as users are not easily provoked by the marketing strategy of any kind of company.

Some gambling sites will always do advertising strategies like this to attract more players which I think its part of the business but it doesn't mean that they aren't reputable. Using paid influencers are part of the game. It's just like promoting a certain product by a popular celebrity which could attract more users and consumers. It's still for us which to trust. Being skeptical is still important on our end.

At the end of the day we were the one who will decide were to use our money, businesses will do anything for their business, having influencer and ads will attract people but only those who will not throughly research can be a victim if the casino or company is a scammer. It will be good if we were able to find a legit website with or without an influencer.

And to those who are running of some shady scheme would really be busted out sooner and later and people will really be ending up on having bad impressions to them which simply tells that casino is over.

They can do all sorts of stuffs from advertisement to promotion but they shouldnt really consider on making out some shady bets for the sake of getting users in the market.
They can make out money or profits on just giving out the best services on fairest way of things.

In my opinion, the use of such methods in attracting an audience negatively affects both the reputation of the gaming site and the streamer who, to put it mildly, misleads his viewers. Both sides are well aware of the risks associated with this kind of promotions. And how to act each decides for himself. I personally believe that such a streamer is not worthy of my attention no matter how good his content is.

That is if the clients/audience spot that this bets are a fake in the first place. It doesn't really matter for an average player to play even if the advertisement of the gambling website is deceiving, it has been that way for a long time and we don't care at all. Regarding the promoter, they don't really need to face the backlash because they might've not known about the fake bets in the first place but if they do so, I think that it is a matter of principle whether they are going to accept it or not.

Maybe this one will have separate impression since if the fake bets made just to deceive people that they have whales playing at them well that's not really good, but if we can see that as way of promotion and educate the gamblers about the games what they offer well we can define this as normal since many casino will provably do that just to promote there various games they have.

If they are fair in their games, I don't think that it won't matter that much, they were trying to deceive the amount of people that has been playing in their website and I think that I wouldn't mind that, maybe when the time that they are rigging their own games then that will be the time that I will be having a problem with them. But to be fair to others who don't want this kind of thing to be done, we really can't do much about it because most of the advertised gambling websites are the ones that are more reputable, what I mean by that is I am willing to trust a website that is advertising rather than those that are not doing anything to make their website known to the public.

I think it all depends on how the advertisements are being made public. If a streamer shows his winnings in a game but doesn't disclose that he is being paid by the casino he is playing in. Than there is definitely something wrong. Everybody understands that casinos need to make advertising. But they shouldn't try and fool their customers in larger probabilities of winning. It's just wrong to see a streamer win a lot of money in fake bets when everything is rigged.

Isn't that the point of those streamers playing at the casino? They get payed to play although they have to explicitly state that they are sponsored by that casino but in any other case I think that it is bad, I remember the time where some CS:GO streamers were promoting I guess or playing at a skin slot machine to encourage their fans to play not knowing that they are the owners of the website and the website was rigged for the streamers.

Well, first of all, a streamer who respects his viewers simply would not agree to such a promotion. Secondly, there are many other more honest promotions and ways to attract customers. To prove that the casino deceives users will not work, so the guilty party in this scheme is streamer who knowingly deceives its viewers.   

Not only that, the site reputation maybe at risk as well but they can always deny if that's really their way of marketing.  However, I find a more aggressive kind of promotion effective if they will attract real gamblers with real reward, not only for youtube but there's plenty of platform to use to gain gamblers.

The word guilty is not actually a big deal in the business of gambling, it's all about reputation and legalities.

Codeman does this, he has unlimited refills and it is kinda impossible to bust no matter how hard it is to hit. The recent viewers on Youtube videos don't have an idea about the refills and only a few guys know they have access to the button for refilling the balance by the casino. Similar cases are actual for the many streamers, watching the streams on Twitch will clear the all-raised question of why these guys always get the best hits.

Misleading info can cause a low reputation in the gambling community, I doubt any casino will agree with this. They pay streamers 25% of the total winning at the end of the day, so it is still a chance for viewers to claim giveaways if the streamer can get huge multipliers. Attracting the new gamblers with tricky methods are not a cup of all casinos, they will pay the price sooner or later...

It amounts to demonstration of the casino usage I guess, depends if the games are still fair or not or is every loss refunded.   Its definetly supposed to be openly declared when anyone at all is sponsored while reviewing, using or commentating on a review or product.   To never disclose you were sponsored in your interest of using that site would be deceptive practise yes.     People will generally guess anyway if a streamer only wants to use one site                             
   Ive had people show me a site and absolutely all traffic on the site is operated by robots and they just want me to deposit so they can close back down and disappear, in some parts this idea is common to play on people slightly naïve on the internet.  Its a fine line and really any site wanting success long term would not stray too far into games not actually taking place properly, trust is hard to gain and easy to lose.

In addition to Codeman there are also a few others like Drew, juicy, etc.

You're completely right. This is misleading in the sense that even if they say that they're showing both losses and wins, inevitably the highlights from their Twitch streams are going to be skewed towards big wins.

The thing is, people actually find their content entertaining. Personally, I get completely ticked off by their over the top reactions, but this question is not black and white. There is a market of consumers who are willing to watch these fake promo videos for entertainment's sake.

It is good to start a gambling platform that way just to lure people at first and prove something to them.

But if a certain gambling website will continue doing that thing then that's really a problem here.

As there are a lot of gambling platform competitors in the internet, it is necessary to make something effective to promote or to attract customers that will help you grow. It is our own strategy or idea on how we will make our businesses or our platform to become popular and so be it but we should also know our limits in fooling people that can also affect businesses negatively.

When will Losers accept that Roobet is dominating the whole gambling industry in crypto now ? This attack is surely from another drama maker and Paid of some gambling site that cannot accept defeat from the competition.

Why on all the sites in this market only Roobet that you attacked?

Get lost and Find a Job .

This has been On going for long time now so try to check other site and not just one specific .

They are conniving to deceive new players to play in the gambling site and this should not be tolerated, streamers should be warry about doing this thing they will lose audience and subscribers for doing this, for just hundred of dollars they will sell their reputation, it's not worth it, they should be truthful and transparent, audiences are wiser now, they will not tolerate this.

So we need to be wise when watching an ad on the internet, and we do not have to just believe in what the streamer says, especially if we do not have more information about what we search for because that can make us getting scam. If the streamer is wise, they will not just accept the offers and they will research what it needs and decide to accept it or not later. If the streamers do not know much about the ad and they accept it because of needing the money, that could be the streamer fault because he accepts the offers without doing research.

That is exactly what I am thinking, people like us take a look at this and we cannot help thinking there is something wrong with it, but when you see that everything is being done on the open then there is not much we can do with the exception of hoping that people actually do not fall for this, marketing strategies are full of examples like this thinking they are outsmarting their clients, and while this can be said about a few of them the majority will realize the intention behind this kind of advertising and never play on this casino on the first place.

That could be another possibility too, to make it look like the bets on the website are attractive, but that can also be considered as a deceiving advertisement. I mean if we are wary of the website that advertises fake bets, then we should scour the web to look for information about the website and find testimonies that will prove the reputation of the website and then maybe after that you can decide for your own whether it is worth it to go to that website to gamble.

As promised, I just gave you some merits for the topic  ;)


Well, I would say 99.9% of the people even do not notice that this are fake amounts and no real money. That is exactly the intention of this procedure and that is why it is somehow underhanded.

Actually, this is fine because the streamer is asked to explore all parts of the casino and promote it. If the streamer mentions that this is a paid promotion then there is absolutely no problem taking a big amount from the casino and not allowed to withdraw, instead use the funds to explain how some games work, playing slots, etc.

If the streamer doesn't mention it is a paid promotion, it becomes a problem then.

I am neither against such practices nor I appreciate them. There are some sportsbooks I have a feeling who might be faking big bets by betting with fake accounts, but then I have no proofs and the sportsbook are really reputed.

As far as the streamer taking money and promotion goes as I said, it is fine for me but they must mention this is a paid promotion and should not make it look like they won big amount with their own funds. Like Edward from stake.com streams and we all know he is the owner and not playing with his own funds, it's 100% fine for me in those cases.

Well, since it's explained on the video's description I think it's debatable, because in fact nobody should be deceived if all informations are there, right? But at same time the casino and the streamer are malicious to use this as marketing hoping to get the attention (and the money) of the fools around.

Although I don't think it's a positive propaganda for the casino I also don't crimizalize this. The solution for gamblers is to never rely in videos like these to make their own bets. Stick to the FACTS only: house edge, terms and conditions of the promotions, requirements to withdraw, etc. Forget about idolizing people who boast too much at youtube videos because there is always a catch behind it, especially when money is the subject.

I definitely think it’s one of the marketing strategies of these casino sites, I mean it’s one way to attract possible gamblers to their site. And I think it has been going on for a long time, the real question is can you prove if it was really faked?

It's an extensive promotion technique opted by many businesses in their intial times when they have setup their business and need more customers base to attract them.The roobet casino is owned by TekHou5 Limited have deep pocket of funds residing wih them and its their technique of promotion.They ask streamers to to bet with high amounts with coupon provided by them and win big amounts but they don't sun that amount but only a fixed payment for their uploads.Its way a attracting customers like many do.You also have chances of winning such amounts on their casino as they have probably fair script verified.The companies use extensive sales and promotions strategies just to increase their customers base.They also oragnize YouTube video review competition where streamers try to create a more advanced image of Roobet casino by faking their bets with demo account in order to win the competition its not always casino behind such uploads.These will always be there which we can't solve.

I'd like to think its just their way to promote their site and to attract gamblers. They might be doing this in the beginning as part of their marketing strategy, but roobet is one of the reputable gambling site nowadays and recently reached 1 billion wagers. Its just shows that many gamblers are playing and trusting them. Thus its more on strategy for their site to become popular.

BTW gamblers has their own preference to stay on a particular site hence if they are not satisfied or think that its not fair and they are cheated then they will simply leave and find another. I think we are wise enough to notice such ways to take advantage the gamblers.

Almost majority of Online Site has this strategy Mate , it is just OP has some Attacks against roobet.
Exactly , gamblers kNows what they are doing and we cannot fool them at all.

If you say almost, would that mean it's the standard in crypto gambling industry?

I think OP is just sharing but anyway, I still trust roobet as I've been gambling in the site and I never face any problem.
They can make whatever gimmick they can to attract gamblers, but as long as they pay and credit your deposit, I don't see any problem with that.

It's a marketing strategy, some platforms are paying streamers or vloggers to promote their site. I think it is an effective marketing strategy especially if they pay famous streamers to use their platform for streaming. Roobet is already established, and it won't be. Problem of they are using such marketing strategy, we all know how trusted and how legitimate the site is.

Stopped at B and I think it's the most interesting one for me so far .
I see number problems with such method of marketing. I will just list two in summary:
1. the casino probably trying to send a message to customers that they have to keep betting in order to be lucky.  But this doesn't guarantee winning to a bettor, who is gambling in this case (depending on financial status of the bettor) before he goes into financial ruin

2. The streamer did not take any financial risk whereas he/she is encouraging viewers to take big risk (gamble) to be able to win, and there is no guarantee the viewers will win if they take such risk the streamer is encouraging them to take.

Both likely qualify as marketing deception or scam.

I agree with that, you can sense that the community trust the site as most of the comment here is positive.

If they don't get the trust, you'll see a lot of posters saying that Roobet can't be trusted and they have a lot of active scam accusation.
Just like 1xbit, lol.. Anyway this strategy is working but they don't only rely on this as they surely have a lot of promotion in different sites and platforms.

Well the thing is that this is done because it works, lets just forget a little bit about this and watch any ad that airs on TV, do you see the ad sticking to the facts of the product being promoted? Of course not, the ad tries to entertain and bring your attention with all kind of messages and associations, so it is not surprising to see casinos that do the same and try to encourage gamblers to their website with ads that make it seems as if winning is easy when in fact no one won anything, at the end it is up to each gambler to determine if what they are watching has any chance of being real and if not then avoid the casino in question.

Oh I had no idea this was happening with Roo, but I'm not surprised nor should anyone be. Have you ever seen those mobile ad games showing people "win" a lot of money on slots? I mean come on who records people playing mobile games coincidentally at the time they won all that money?

Of course it's not real and it's sponsorship money.

Is it wrong? I don't think so. But is it misleading? I think so.

Probably not illegal though:)

I suppose it just turned into a subjective opinion since the way roobet does this is kind of like a gray area for most people. Some think of it like its just market advertisement (I for one think as well, but I don't particularly check any ads and I just chose roobet since its there), and some hold the same opinion as you, but without any proper proof it can't really be argued as something wrong. The disclaimers that streamers put out are there for a reason, so that consumers wouldn't be able to point their fingers to streamers and the casino, probably like what you're doing right now. It's not wrong imo, but you're also not wrong. Most people just don't give a damn about properly reading into what happens with content creators and their sponsorships and just enjoy them, scripted or not.

We are wearing signatures, and we are paid for that... don't you think that streamers and bloggers can add banners, avatars, and other promotional stuff, and get paid for that! Like this site is giving money to people to show how it's possible to win big on their site! This is not fair I think, you are deceiving people... those bets are not real, and those wins are not real!

Like some other members said, this is in the gray area... and in my opinion, it's more bad than good, but I guess each of us can see it differently! Bottom line is that bets are fake, and their winning is fake... fake marketing is not good marketing!

Strange conclusion. Do you judge the audience as completely devoid of intelligence and some knowledge of the persons? Everyone knows how a casino works, if not, then this information is open and you can familiarize yourself with it at any time. You are trying to shift the responsibility of people for their actions to advertising, this is a very wrong approach.

Well, you said it yourself and I have nothing much more to add, except that maybe dishonest and deceiving won't be enough and do the job here and "Shady" would be a better choice of word here.

I understand that every new gambling website would have a very hard time to attract users due to the big competition that is going on, but there are more honest ways of gaining new users if they're willing to put some work and time into it, it's true that your casino won't grow as fast but it will do the job just fine if your casino website is working as intended and doesn't have any considerable issue/bug.

But then again if someone is naive enough to get fooled by such fake activities and some random streamer that got paid big promoting it, then they maybe they have to lose some money one time at least, so that next time don't pay attention to these factors while there are way better ways to check the legitimacy and traffic of casino websites.

The logic there is they managed to gain attentions using those streamers. Unethical but it's part of the marketing and everything
wil ends up with gamblers knowledge about the site they are playing.

Experienced gamblers understand how the site manage to deal with every advertising campaign the house are doing, it's the person
itself who are in control, every amount you use from this activity is liable to your own decisions not with anyone.

Absolutely, we know the different kinds of advertising and because we still trust the gambling site, we are loyal to them. The only most important thing is to ensure that we are playing an honest site, a provably fair on all their games and that they process your withdrawals right away.

The competition if casino online business was definitely hard and in fact there are many new casino online gambling platform. So using streamer, gamer or gambler especially well known personality in the digital marketing is an additional points that the online casino they are promoting can attract gamblers or simply a marketing strategy. But knowing that this fake bets are being stream by the endorser or streamer i guess this might be something wrong. Hence, if it's fake then the streamer were being fall out as victim also.

I guess that all casinos need a bit of boosting to attract higher bets and more users. On this case, it seems that the streamer is kind of playing the role of the house with the houses money. Even if the practice is doubtful, it does not really seem illegal.

There is a similar trick from traders that would sell you their method. They open 10 or 20 accounts and they will only show you the ones that made outstanding results.

With fake money he will win fake bank roll ))

In such cases streamer gets his payment separated from the game balance. Because noone is stupid enough to risk his money in dice or slots.
There also a second way: When we have tournament, players vs players, some people can be paid with initial buy in, and if they will win something they will take it all. But as i previously said, this works only in tournaments.

And yeah, every casino has some paid players with fake bets, just to attract more players

No they wont really be giving out some compensations or add ups unless if the management would decide to give out some free amounts out of those big amounts but i doubt
that the advertiser itself wont really be expecting that much because he knows that those are just fake money that had been lent to him to use and no matter how big
or small or he lost it all then he wouldnt really care at all.He might really be boosted up into those time when he's winning big but those are just good into that sole particular time.
Dont expect that you would be getting paid for that even more.The contract or agreement had been final and dont expect for some changes.

It seems that is the consensus we have reached as a community, it is obvious that something like this cannot possibly happen normally, after all how is recording themselves when they buy a lottery ticket and then they win and they have the evidence they bought the ticket? It is obvious they were expecting to win in the first place and they are recording it because they had all the intention of this eventually becoming and ad, however while we cannot do anything to stop it I still think it is misleading.

^Some good providers (e.g., Pragmatic and NoLimit) offer replay functionality, so you don't have to record the whole (hours) playing section. Hence, it's possible to "recreate" the event for ads purpose without actually cheating.

However, the reaction will be fake (scripted) like any other ads out there ;D

Not illegal in which country? It won't be illegal in most of countries if it was clearly announced he is a shill but AFAIK it isn't clearly stated, therefore the house and the guy are deluding people in order to gamble their money with fake expectations on realizable returns.   

That's the thing, they didn't really tell whether if it's an advertisement or an casino review which may be why it really isn't illegal. Also, somehow it is included in the description that it was sponsored which gives you the idea of the stream being rigged or rather the streamer is using a special demo account which is also the reason why they can load their account unlimited until they reached their goal.
I don't think that it's illegal as long as it won't affect their events, bonuses and other things that will affect others chances of winning. Example, an event that will reward participants for achieving 50k wagered amount which is limited to certain participants.

Well, the video seems to have a description and that isn't misleading to anyone afaik, at least the description are only for those not naive gamblers that watch also the video. More like it's fall into promotions category, I wonder if the McGregor-Mayweather fight has a description says "it was just for pov money" do we think we would still watch that sh*t match? It was rigged I suppose but the promotors doesn't want us to know.

You seem to be right Jemzx00 according to these links from Monarch-, there are disclaimers in the description of the videos recorded from the streamings. But I'm not sure those disclaimers are clearly displayed during them. That's the gordian knot of the question in my opinion.

Well, that is how big businesses stay in the game, I mean you still see Coca-Cola doing their advertisement right? I think that it is justified because how are you going to attract other players when you advertise that the chances of winning in this casino is so low so you have to pay, you can't do that, you have to make it more attractive and as @paxmao has said, the streamer is playing a role in the advertisement.

I am not sure commenting on that situation.
something like this also happens on many platforms. not just in the gambling industry.
even your daily products will do this marketing trick.
if the platform is still paying normally, then I don't see it as a problem.
personally, I don't really care about people's bets or money.
as a gambler, I just want to make sure that the platform is paying, not a scam.

hmm, do you think it's a problem when you see an ad about your daily products that presented with some video editing technic on the tv?
also, almost all products pretending that they are the number one.

Yes, the streamer plays a role in the advertisement, and the gambling website knows for sure. Even if they make a fake bet, the viewers will not know that unless the streamer tells them that material is only for education. So the streamer will make a good advertisement to attract more viewers to come and watch the ad, and the rest will be up to the audience or the viewer.

Casinos are working off chain so it's really hard to identify these type of bets "directly" or in a classic way.
If these bets are clearly identified like with a disclaimer or a comment well highlighted I don't see any bad initiative by the streamers.
Differently is the situation of scam attempts, where people are deceived to invest in a rigged system and streamer is aware about the scam involved.

This issue actually became huge especially in e-sports gambling where famous YouTubers are being sponsored by gambling websites to promote such.

To give an example, in CSGO, these gambling websites sponsored YouTubers with funds provided by the owners. Unfortunately, it was alleged that these gambling websites faked and structured the video in a way that those YouTubers will experience winnings on their bets, but in fact, it was staged from the very beginning.

With your concern OP, I personally think this could mislead people and give them false information. Even with the disclaimers posted, this is very misleading from the very beginning. I do hope that they do something about this as it may affect their image in the future.

I've seen a few YouTubers that are being sponsored by certain betting sites and it's disturbing because I've noticed that most of the YouTubers are saying that the betting site they are promoting has the best odds on all betting sites which is false. The betting site I've seen most is 1xbet, unfortunately, they have a very bad reputation in this forum and all over the internet and this makes me think that those YouTubers who promoted it just want the sponsor money over their reputation. If ever their viewers got scammed by 1xbet, Their reputation could be tainted.

They wouldnt care because they would just simply give out that kind of reasoning that it is gambling which does involve risk and thats it.It wont really be affecting that much

when we do talk about reputation.I agree into what you have said that there are youtubers or influencers who doesnt really make out some research and claiming things which arent actually true.

Advertisement or sponsorship is a bit common though in todays marketing strategy and methods because this is one of the most common ways on maximizing exposure.

I don't care about being fake or not related to the problem, because I will only gamble using existing gambling sites depending on my own will and not affected by promotions or other things. Not only in gambling, at least I do whatever I want it depends on my own will and not influenced by other people, so I feel that things like this will not affect me personally. But yes, if this problem really happens then things like this are very unfortunate because they have been dishonest or cheated, I hope that not many of them are cheating like this because maybe it won't change anything in their popularity or even get worse.

It's up now to their viewers if they will buy those advertisements and sponsorships.

I know several people already know the stuff behind these sponsorships but since they support the site, they will use it no matter what. In the end, these sites know that it might affect their reputation but as long as they are legit and good to their users, the continuous support to the site will remain.

These fake bets are like the paid comments/reviews made on multiplier schemes. A group creates a script and promote it as a multiplier. Down on the scroller we can see number of reviews/comments stating that they've received so and so amount. Looking upon this users give a try and get fooled.

This happens but not to all people. Smart gamblers will always think about what will actually happen or might happen if they deposited and play on the website, people who know how really gambling works will not go in and deposit right away just because they saw someone winning chunks of money on the said site.

From what I've seen from many YouTubers that I watch who is being sponsored into various websites AFAIK they get to keep less than 5% of the amount they won. But surely it depends on the contract between the site owner and the content creator.

This is correct as I also refer above where it's up to the viewers point. Depositing money is still involved here so there will be a hesitation at first.

And to win, the gamblers themselves need to play, playing with RNG, and it doesn't mean that if the streamer is lucky, the same result will happen to others.

We do not know how much they won from that site because the contract will not show to the public, and only the Youtubers and the site will know. Maybe the streamer will use the other account to playing gambling on that site, so the public will not know if they win more or lose more. But I think the site pays the streamer with enough money to promote their site with good content to convince the audience.

Every gambling sites has it own way of marketing, and we can't provide any proof that they really are doing fake bets, then it's all going to be a theory. Also, we all know that winning in gambling is never really easy to begin with.

The number of losing are always bigger than the number of winnings, because that's how it works, gambling sites wins a lot because they have a bankroll to meet every single day to keep their business running. Beating up the house is impossible especially if you're playing a luck based game like DICE.

Some are open to and tell the people that they are using fake bets or not but some really hiding it so that there are no more further unnecessary discussion about it since this one really not a big deal to be concern of. I know its really confusing to see that done by streamers but actually the main intention is to educate and not to show the results.



Yes especially when we are using our very own money that's why its good not to get hook and think about having fun than trying to bet the house since it rarely happens.

Worse thing to think of, not because you watch someone who won a huge amount of money means that if you try it out by yourself, you'll also get the same result. Think again and assess yourself, unless you are an avid fan who blindly follows whatever your idol is doing.

streamers got the influenced no question about it, but wise gamblers/followers value their money and they'll do their very best to avoid losing / spending a lot.

Yeah, there will be always people who sell their name or reputation for a bad thing. Having fake bets and gamblers is probably very common for a long time. Like the people who play the card game on the street where you need to find the queen out of 3 cards. One guy soll come and win money easily, just to attract other people to play. And once you bet your own money it will get much harder. I wish all those fake bets would be marked as such.

Well it's true since the pandemic really hit us hard some of people are looking for money that's why some of them are selling their identity just to have money well we all know that it was really illegal as in my own opinion since they having a fake bets just to attract people to play too is okay it's just like part of there advertisement i can't blame those gambling site's that doing this why because now adays it's really hard to trust one of gambling sites when you're into fake and you can easily tell that because of spam bets and spam withdrawal which is fake and directly into one wallet only.

Even if gambling industry had been hit up that bad with this pandemic situation then it isnt really just right for you to make out those kind of steps as a business owner.Yes, you can really still make money

out for those fake's but to think that it wont really be giving out a viable solution for long term.It would really be risking out your reputation and once you get caught on doing shady things then

be prepare on where your business would really be ending up when people do start to distrust your website then say good bye when you arent getting players anymore.

This seems to be a pretty controversial subject, so I decided to write this blog post to expand on my thoughts on this:
https://twitter.com/CSGOEmpireV2/status/1375068884584267778

I don't think this is too much controversial because I saw different streamers getting support from their sponsors like the gambling platforms what are the reason? Because it's part of their marketing strategies that gives the viewers another hype experience like the player losses a lot but made a comeback so this becomes a good image too.  It's not a fake bet because at the same time they have a contract and this is part of their advertisement. It's a different part of the player who uses his or her own money because at the same time still, a gamble is a gamble.

It's just one of the market strategies of online gambling due to high competition arises. A sad but it's true that we used to rely on the reviews of those who experienced playing or gambling on the certain sites and we didn't also recognize which of those comments are true and which one are the fake paid reviews. And we can't blame the fake paid reviewers because they are also need that cash/payment that they can get with using their name and dignity to testify a false information.

On one hand this could definitely pass as a scam, on the other it could be just one marketing tactic that works well. I do not know exactly how many gambling sites and casinos do this trick, but this is fairly common in auctions and events like that. Now it is up to the player whether they awill let their basic instincts overtake their critical judgement and let themselves get finessed by these sites, but personally, I do not indulge myself in leaderboard contests as I am not a high-roller myself.

If a streamer does not use special software to distort the results of the game and the game itself in the casino that he demonstrates, then I do not see any analogy with paid comments, which are deliberately deceiving. The fact that the casino gives him money for the game and he does not risk anything does not matter.

People do really have that kind of hate when an advertiser do make use of money owned by the house itself or simply they know that it isnt theirs for them to spent on.I dont know
why people had bad impressions when it comes to that where the thing matter most is about the user experience and the possible chances that you can possibly hit when you
do play on a certain platform.People cant just really moved on if those funds are their own or been sponsored.What matter most is the fairness of the site and
the user interface and experience towards it and they should really be focusing on this one rather than on personal opinions.

I think there are still lines that should no be crossed, for example years ago there was a discussion about the way the makeup industry promoted their products, the issue was that for the most part most of the images that showed the effects of the makeup were digitally enhanced with software like Photoshop, which meant that the supposed results their clients were expected to receive were fake, and we can say something similar about what the OP is discussing here.

I think the problem was that some paid streamers spend money to win money, which is brought by rigged situations between the streamer and the advertiser (from what I understood anw). It isn't really wrong for streamers to use the money paid to them to advertise the site, I mean they were paid to advertise it, ofc they'd use that money to play on it, just that I think the mentality brought about by this is that by spending the same amount that the streamer spent, users have the chance to win the same amount of money kind of thing, which is wrong for obvious reasons, and let's not mention how some situations that the situation itself is rigged by the participating parties.

The main problem here is that if they pay some big amount of money to some known Youtuber/streamer you can not be possibly expect to get a fair review from them, so 95% of the times they're definitely will be biased which totally defeats the purpose of them giving reviews on a gambling website, I mean why would you checkout a review if you know they won't be fair.

The very same thing is happening in crypto, when someone just can create a shitty project and then pay some Youtuber to shill it for them and increase the price.

The only way to change this is that gamblers stop watching Youtube videos or checking out random tweets from people and just decide where they want to gamble based on that alone, and instead just do a little research on their own using search engines and more specially forums and different threads and make sure if they're safe to use and they're working as great as they claim it to be, there's a reason why forums are great for researching and that's because you can post negative comments/reviews without restriction as long as the thread is not self-moderated.

But these repeats everytime you refresh the page of a website right so you can tell easily whether its fake or not, so that shouldn't be a problem at all, besides this only applies to phishing sites right? I mean there's no way an active Gambling platform will ever use that (ehem,... maybe 1xbit)

it's a marketing trick and it's an old trick to attracting users...
tricks like this are no longer a secret, when the audience sees the video, the audience will automatically be motivated to following the streamer. from 100 viewers, there will be 30-40 viewer who tries to do what the streamer has done, this trick is successful and has proven effective in being tried in various businesses, not just gambling.

Yes, even if the game is completely virtual (for fake money from the casino), then the audience in any case can evaluate the casino interface and other parameters important for them (we will assume that the house edge is approximately the same everywhere and is known in advance). I do not know what one can be angry with in such a situation and where there can be deception.

No doubt about that, I'm sure this is not strange to people who are constantly gambling and understands how the business runs, operators will always find a way to attract customers, though for some it's cheating but it's just an speculation and no site or business has ever been convicted for fake bets, or whatsoever kind related to it.

How you do give out those numbers for out of 100 where 30-40 viewers would able to be hooked up and would do the same thing?

There would be no definitely numbers on how many will be following or just ignoring once they do saw these streamers.This isnt really that rare case scenario.

Events or moves like this had been a traditional way for any businesses specially on gambling field where advertisements like these would really be launched.

The unfortunate fact here is people are still falling for those marketing strategy. Because of gambling industry is typically living out of new customers, they will never stop such marketing strategy to keep attracting new users. (Also we must need to remember those old customers will definitely come back to recover their losses and as per all gambler's experience no one got chances to recover their losses).

Yes, this must be considered as their business model because even health drink manufacturers are creating advertisements like people are getting taller in a month because of their drinks but in reality that is not the case and we are simply moving them out by accepting their business model.

Meaning to say that the marketing strategy of online casino business or any gambling businesses are effective because they attract new customers because if it is not effective they would probably think another kind of trick or marketing strategy that will work out on their favor right. We just need to deal with the fact that behind the lies of their advertisement was the personal interest of the businesses and that is how tactics work.

I find it quite alarming that this is still happening today. YouTube and twitch should be more active against such exploiting streamers. If they would make the people personal liable to repay all their steaming profits if they promote fake bets without highlighting them as such then these people would be more afraid. There is just too much money being made.

I believe that YouTube and Twitch will not track such activity, as it is very difficult to prove the involvement of the streamer in a conspiracy with the casino. In my opinion, the only real vector that will reduce the fake bets may be a gradual decrease in the number of subscribers and views of the streamer engaged in this kind of advertising.

This is how the Popularity of gambling site goes, When hitting the top Bashers will always come and make their comments.

but for me this is added to the advertising of the Said Site because Publicity comes from Good or bad is still Publicity..

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Many gambling site do the same , Its just happen that Roobet is the most popular nowadays so expect many of this to come.

Annoying reality, there are people that fall following those streamers.

We can deny the fact that there are followers who blindly work it out and find this streamers believable and be trapped with those
fake bets, first and foremost, the people or viewers itself who needs to take extra careful and be furios about this shared streams.
It helps to avoid making a huge mistakes.

Why is this the only place I can find any discussion about this topic? Absolutely ridiculous. I found your thread through google :P after much digging through all these streamer crypto sponsorships. I must say it was hidden pretty well.

I'm guessing they bring too much money to the people on the forum for anyone to be honest about what kind of a shady practice this really is. If I had more affiliation with the section I'd definitely consider tagging them, but who am I, really? Perhaps i'm also out of touch with the standard business practices in this space, but from a (relative) outsider looking in, this just seems so weird.

- the influencer has no actual (or very little) skin in the game. They are not betting with their own money no matter how you try to spin it.

- most of these influencers are millionaires, they definitely do not have any financial urgency to promote any of these (sometimes) morally dubious products to their audiences. The rest of your statement is gibberish and not understandable at all.

???

Ah, but it does matter if the streamer continously gets his account topped up by the site administrator until he wins big - that's just deceiving practices.


??? And being fair and honest with their customers isn't part of the user experience? nor does it contribute to the overall perception of the fairness of the casino? (it does..)


You are already being deceived and thus you conclude that there could be no other possible way in which they are also deceiving you? How about they rig the odds of streamers as well? Wouldn't that matter either?

Most of the comments in this thread are a special kind of mental gymnastics. I get it, they're just getting their "bag" too (I can't say I haven't done the same), still - for me personally i feel like you'd have to be absolutely mentally challenged to play on any of these (un)licensed casinos at this point.

These can be avoided if people are aware of fake bets and monitor the sites closely. Here are some of the arguments mathematically in favor of the player in some games that he has a chance to win basically this is what keeps a player in his game longer because he assumes that his chances of winning are not over yet more information can be found by watching this video on youtube to play casino. Therefore if the swings are active on youtube it is possible to deal with them.

No matter how closely you monitor, the streamer might be paid behind the scenes and you cannot know the reality unless there is a disclaimer or warning of some sort. I think the streamer is basically a scammer if they show it's their real funds while they are actually sponsored by the casino.

Fake bets and huge wins are often used to tempt the gambler into gambling as there are various interested and semi-interested viewers are watching these streams and they feel like just like the streamer they can also hit those big wins, without realizing that first, the money was fake and secondly they burned huge amounts before they got such wins.

I am not against casinos paying streamers but the streamer must ensure he mentions the paid sponsorship somewhere during the stream.

Promotion shouldn't be done for such sites. In my country an incident took place recently with a live gaming streamer. My country has banned PUBG, and he has been playing it and streaming on his YouTube channel through VPN. For his bad luck he has used bad statements on conversation and the same is being complained. He got arrested and on investigation he has got an Audi R8 and few bungalows, which has been bought through the streaming and collecting donations in the name of supporting people in need. But, he hasn't helped big to the needy.

I also heard about the plan to ban online games like that in my country because it has a bad impact on children's development and not only that, those who play these games disturb local residents who are resting and sleeping at night. But when it comes to game streamers asking for donations obviously it's a scam if the revenue isn't actually distributed or donated, because if he actually donates the revenue they get they or the streamer will usually create content about the donations themselves which means they're doing it right. It's a shame indeed, when many viewers have put their trust in him but they actually betray which of course, it will be bad for the long term for their own careers.

The luck to win and the winnings when you collect are too different things. I'd classify this more with the audience being impressed by big numbers, this is almost the nature of the gamble industry.  People are impressed by lottery winnings even if the odds to win are a billion to one.  So long as all the data is true and the game is equally played for everyone to take part in its really a case of caveat emptor and you must know what odds you buying into during the game.


Really not in favor of that line of thinking, censorship and the banning the concept of anything is the reserve of religious doctrine countries,  thats their right but across the wider world the majority of business is done on your own risk as an adult.   Streamers or whoever getting paid to play through games is just normal to me, yes its promotion and that is part of every industry sales tactic I can think of.

To be honest I am impartial to Roobet and also to @Monarch- I stand in the middle on this, if I personally gamble on the Roobet site for now there have been no serious problems, all is well and smooth.

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In this case I judge @Monarch- also promotes gambling sites.

Monarch- (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2907949)

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For that Roobet is a gambling site and csgoempire is also a gambling site, if you look at the conversation @Monarch- said based on Twitter about the fake bets made by Roobet, it doesn't matter maybe I can see it too.

But let's look again at the conversation of the csgoempire team, with users who complained about betting on the csgoempire site.

Example:

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If seen here: https://www.trustpilot.com/review/csgoempire.com, there are still many negative and positive reviews on the csgoempire site, this is also the same as what has been experienced by the Roobet site lately, of course behind all of this there is a certain motive.

Conclusion: @Monarch- runs a gambling site and Roobet also does the same thing, I don't know where the problem started from, what is clear is my assessment in this thread 'drops' each other.

For that I recommend @Monarch-, it's not good to blame each other, business will be successful if we support each other, don't blame each other for weaknesses and shortcomings of other sites, whose authenticity is unknown.

Very well said. Using fake bets is not a new strategy of any starting casino. The important is how they do business after that. Are they screwing players? If not, then, for me, there's no problem with using fake bets because that's part of their strategy to entice players. As long as they are not scamming the players during their stay on the site. And that fake bets will be gone once they establish their market.

I'm curious why of all the gambling sites here in forum and outside you choose roobet for this attack?
when i knew that you Know about almost every gambling site has this strategy to make their site looks controversial and worth betting?

That is the reason you would notice that most of the gamblers won't follow just any streamer but they pick the trusted ones and watch only limited streams. Yes, it is easy for new twitch streamers to allure new players by offering bonuses and all welcome packages but true gamblers who bet big won't ever play at a casino or sportsbook just because they are offering some small bonuses.

I will not accuse roobet or any casino unless there is concrete proof of the same. But no one can deny that more casinos are indulged in such things than we might ever think. I hardly watch any streamers and watching all these scams happen, I would never trust a new streamer now even if he might be legit winning from his own funds or losing it.

I did not know about such fake actions done by streamers. Which does mean that in the future not only their accounts can be on stake since it's not usually allowed to do such things on social media platforms but it's also not justified.

I do not know why Roobet decided to do that. It's a really good casino and therefore I actually enjoy playing there and they have also done a lot for the people of the art community here on the forum.

If you are good people will come to you without such things.

- These kinds of things only breaks the trust of people and makes them scared since we do not know which casino decides to call it quits suddenly during the pandemic.

I completely support this article and I would like to add that such things needs to be limited! And eliminated!

Either intentional or not but its true on what you have been saying on here that this had been a typical thing on where most gambling sites do. Using up as a way of hooking up new players and
end up on having this kind of typical option or way or promotion using up those influencers and majority of viewers does know that those are sponsored money that been used of.
Also as a viewer you do have that full awareness and will on what things you should gonna do and no one been forcing you to play on a particular site so if you do find out that
it is shady or doesnt fit out on your interest then just simply leave.

What specific things should be limited/eliminated? Why can't a casino give out some amount of money for promotional purposes to anyone to show the mechanics of the game or the opportunity to win? As I understood in none of the described cases, the game mechanics did not change, so the essence of the claims is unclear - the game itself was fair.

every casino has their own strategy to attract potential players. the casino in question has already built its reputation in this forum. and no one is complaining about their services. now, when it comes to this fake bet, i guess, it is up to you if you believe it or not, or just treat it as over exaggerated promotion of the casino.
either way, if youre not happy with their services, no one is obliging you to stay with them. you have all the freedom to choose your casino. anyway, it is up to the player if he will indeed believe a seemingly false promotion, which is happening in other platforms.

Dont know if these guys are just trying to seek up for some attention and trying to force that those are fake bets which its clear that those are sponsored money and there are no rules had been
violated as long as the games are fair and square then no one would really be questioning out and in terms of legitimacy then we know on how big roobet.com nowadays.
It is one of the known online crypto casino at the moment and in regards with streamers or marketing stuff then its just been part of the the process or consideration.
They would do all sorts of things to make themselves to be interesting.

It's deceiving but that's how advertising works, you don't want your influencers doing bad when they are promoting your gambling and betting site, remember that you need sometimes common sense because that's what we lack this day and age, we whine about things without common sense. And it should be a common sense that gambling makes people lose more than win.

You don't see a problem in promoting a scam and maybe that's why you don't see a problem in promoting a site with sponsored funds. It is wrong because the people watching would think that the streamer actually won a huge amount of money while it might be a setup to attract gamblers and the money won was nothing but a setup by the casino.

I even think that there might be some game rigging for a particular player. I mean the slot games from providers are obviously not provably fair and it must be quite easy for the provider to allow some players to play at a negative edge or something such that they win most of the time. And there is never a way you can know if such things are going on behind the pretty slot designs.

Not saying that gamblers  losing this but yeah right there are gamblers who just believe with those influencers and try to imitate them in hope that they'll also have that same chance finding luck winning same amount.

Being realistic will lead you to noticed things out, understanding what's for advertisement and what the reality around.


And sooner those active gamblers will also noticed those kinds of activities inside the site and from that point, they'll going to lose
active gamblers once those players realized this kind of cheats.

If I'm not mistaken, the influencers do not hide the fact that the winnings are achieved with difficulty with the help of these transfers from the casino, right? I think anyone can compare the amount they have lost before getting a big win and the win itself and draw conclusions about the difficulty of winning.

If it's not a live broadcast then there might be an editing process so that the influencer seems to always get a win in the bet, but if it's a live broadcast and the influencer continues to win without getting a heavy loss, then of course there will be suspicions about fake bets or settings going on with they. I personally don't really care about whether they make fake bets or something, because for me all gambling is the same just about luck which is different from each individual and if influencers can continue to win in doing promotions I just think they have high luck in gambling and that's certainly different from me as an ordinary person.

This is like a marketing strategy for new casinos and it's wise if gamblers pay close attention to attractive offers to get a clearer picture of what they are been offered. Because no true business venture would give you a welcome bonus beyond 20-50% and with this welcome bonuses comes heavy terms and conditions you don't just get attracted to bonus without knowing what's involved.

In my opinion, in any case, this can be regarded as a controversial advertisement, nothing more. In the end, any adult realizes that there is no casino that would just give out money. The game is always associated with risk and the risk of losing is always greater. We see a much more serious deception, for example, in the advertising of Axe  ;D

Whatever the reason, I can't accept promoting in a dishonest way, if in the promotion alone there have been many arrangements. Moreover, gamblers
who decide to play on the gambling site can certainly be cheated. To attract the attention of gamblers, it is not necessary to do fake bets, there are still
many ways that can be used to attract the attention of gamblers. In order for a gambling site to last a long time, it must be proven to be fair and honest.
But we must not accuse certain gambling sites of being dishonest, without solid evidence.

We can only assume though but it's hard to prove that they are faking bets just to gain attention, well, as long as the gambling site is reputable, I guess there's no problem with that as people will believe that every bet is real and if they don't they would still understand that it's part of the promotion.

The only concern of the bettors is for them to get paid everytime they win and they can withdraw the money without a problem.

It's the first time I read that, for you probabilities of outcomes to happen are bullshit? The probabilities depends on the luck of the players in reality? So odds on sportsbooks or at the roulette are fake, to evaluate the real odds we must look at who is gambling on which outcome?

Of course, that is a marketing strategy and not just new casinos, but old casinos do that to attract the gamblers or new people to visit their site. They are giving a welcome bonus and among the other bonuses, the casino can give interesting offers that can make gamblers stay and play the games for a long time. That is one of the ways to make the gamblers satisfy and will come back to their place.

Not only old casinos but this had become a default feature for a gambling site to have on where they would really be finding out ways on attracting out people even on the method of a bit deceptive.

Fake bets or sponsored bets? Its not that unethical but as a viewer and does have common sense then you can tell that its really way too obvious and also its up to someones end on making decision

neither they would get attracted with those bets or not since they do know that those are just sponsored money.What matters here is that those bets are fair and it doesnt really matter
on whose gonna play neither a regular player or a sponsored one. Odds of winning would be always the same.

The best way to avoid these fake bets is to place the bets only at the trusted site where you will always found the real bets. Usually the new casino offer these fake and attractive bets to scam people.

Yes, that will be up to the audience and I am sure some of them are smart to know if that is a fake bet or not because they will not play on the casino that deals the things like that. They are worried that they can get cheated by the casino someday, although they do not do anything wrong with their account and keep playing clean.

A wise gambler will know how they need to act with that and they will not try to risk more than what they afford because they have had an experience before.

I was just reading this topic on an actual fake bet: https://www.rd.com/article/man-rigged-lottery-five-times/    The promotional play through of games is really not a problem imo

That story is about proper corruption within a lottery, but the streamers just using elevated amounts is a form of promotion & I dont find that especially abnormal.   So long as the person is openly admitting to promoting that casino I think thats open enough that you know everything required to make fair judgement.   The game is being demonstrated during play, thats just normal to me at any size bet its the same game really.    What really matters is profit to loss ratio, is the game being played within valid rules that any other player could take part in.  If its available at any price then I think its fine, a 1 million prize win might well require an equal amount to be gambled and the sensible thing for any new player is to start small learn the game.  
  I dont agree with the criticism, it fits the nanny state type of we cant let people take any risk because the world is not fair it ends up as nonsense and people will always take risks anyway.  

What happens is that the Welcome bonuses are always very conditioned to the fact that you can only benefit from them if you bet on it in full, since sometimes the bonus that is given cannot be withdrawn, but everyone would make a deposit and they would withdraw without playing double or triple depending on the type of bonus, so this makes the player insist on taking advantage of that bonus to increase their earnings without touching their previous deposit, it is like a double-edged sword, particularly that is what it always ends up giving itself.
In many platforms I have seen that fake bets are made, it is normal, that is why there are bots, in fact some exchanges use this strategy to show customers that the site always has movement and demand from bettors, only with the experience of customers They know that it is fake and they tend to leave the sites for not giving enough trust and authenticity.

This your complain is never new in the casino and gambling world so don't be bias cause it has become a normal trend I think don't think is a fake means to attract more gamblers to gamble on a particular platform. This can be term business techniques that every gambling platforms make use of which I don't you need to accuse just Roobit only. I think if you don't like the techniques kindly disregard gambling online cause it's normal to me.

I don't think so, honestly.

Roobet, Duelbits, etc. are all participating in this and I certainly don't think that this sort of predatory bahavior should be condoned. It's no different to misleading advertising or outright fraud.

They should at least make the streamers disclose to the audience that they are being paid.

Not only gambling sites employ this but even new trading and exchange are also doing this to attract more traders and players, even old gambling sites are doing this whenever there is a decline in activities, if the gambling site has a good reputation, there's nothing wrong on doing this, the most important thing is they have no scam report and they pay their players on time.

The old gambling sites does not need to deploy these tactics of fake bets because it is not a right way to promote the site.

Even I think that new gambling sites which are here for long term business should avoid from fake bets.

We never know, that kind of marketing strategy is very effective, once gamblers see that this particular bettor is putting a huge bet on a certain site, they will think that the site is legit because it's one of the bases to determine if the site could really pay the winners.

There's no guarantee that old gambling websites are not doing this, considering the tight competition on online gambling websites today. Of course the players are looking to engage on websites that has high volume of stakes to ensure the eligibility of a certain website.
Online casinos should always be transparent in terms of betting and winning. Rollbit and Roobet have this feature on their website. This will enable players to scan whether this users are legit or not.

This is included within the contracts the streamer and the gambling firm which in this case is Roobet, had signed for. The streamers will have to be paid for the exposure they give the site somehow and Roobet saw an opportunity in this by creating this plan. I don't think it is entirely misleading because at the end of it all, none should have the connotation that just because I won a lot today, it means you will too. If that is how you think about gambling then you might wanna reconsider your choices because this type of mindset breeds addiction Exactly, I haven't heard issues from Roobet players like me about something as delayed balance report or withdrawal because the site works on what matters most. The energy people put on stuff like this where people hate on how they promote themselves should be redirected to something that is much more productive like learning the ins and outs and the dangers of gambling, among other important stuff that a beginner or a neophyte in gambling should be aware of.

Every casino have their own marketing method to attract more players because they know the mindset of players they want to play in a casino with a lot of active players, more active players means more money in the casinos deposited and they can still pay their winners, for me I don't care if this is the kind of marketing the casino I'm playing is employing as long as I get money when I want to withdraw my winnings and as long as the bets are provably fair

That's definitely true, they look for a high volume of stakes so they can trust the site, just like when we are choosing an exchange, we always prefer to trade on an exchange with a high volume, like choosing Binance over other exchanges. This is what people usually do, and just like in exchange, when we find out that the volume is fake, we will lose our trust in the site and that is not good for their business as what makes them successful is their reputation.

I always knew that these streamers make a lot more from advertising and refs links than from the bets themselves, but I also didn't know they could be fakes.
The worst thing is that I myself have applied several "foolproof tactics" to get rich and only broke my bankroll. But that was at a time when I was still eluded by these games.

Videos like that are good for you to understand the dynamics of the sites and get some tips, but never fully apply them to a game.

Isn't this all for the sake of advertising, IMO, if the streamers fake those bets and have infinite funds to spend on the site due to xdeal, it's no longer our problem. Our faith, as gamblers, is still in our hands, and gambling platforms can never guarantee victories because it will always depend on our luck and ability to bet. Similar things happen in other advertising; some fake it for the sake of formality to make things look good, but don't expect it to be the same as yours because it will always depend on you. I still prioritize the gambling platform's benefits rather than those fake bets on videos and stream 'cause all I know about it is for only attracting gamblers that their platform is really good visually, but the wins and loses will always on your hands.

The fact remains and I agree with you, your own destination depends on how you play the game. Streamers may affect you with the belief that you may duplicate their luck, but it's your money that you need to be held responsible with. Paid streamers are there to promote, and if they are doing those fake bets, it's gamblers' responsibilities to balance everything.

Both wins and losses are always depending on how you play, and how you managed your activities, desiring to earn like how most streamers does is not bad, but make sure you understand all the possible risks that may happen to your bankroll.

The problem actually stems from streamers who advertise such false services with rigged rates. Most of these streamers (if not all) are paid by these gambling establishments in order to advertise their supposed to be "legit" rates. But unfortunately, everything is just a smoke screen towards their unethical practice of rigging the rates and causing it to appear that you have a high chance of winning something.

Though this may be the case, please exercise extreme caution to websites that are being advertised by these streamers. The fact that they are 'advertised' means that they are desperate for exposure.

if you are a gambler, you very well know that those winnings from paid streamers are not legit or true. we have no idea what is happening behind those deals. what am worried is, for those new gamblers/players, it is really deceiving from their end. this is why many new players will try those sites to check if such advertisement is true. and they will easily find out, it is not. in this digital age, everyone can practically manipulate what needs to be seen by their audience. you have to be smart on these things and not believe all the good things that you are seeing. of course, they will tempt you to try and send your funds to their site. but if you will lose, they have nothing to do about it.

One of the reasons on why i dont really bother myself on watching or believing these kind of streams specially if its attached to gambling and most of the time they do really have some deals or simply means
they are been sponsored which means that they wont really be minding much on how much they would lose as long they could able to hook up people on playing on the site.
Fake bets is somewhat an exaggerating part because as long you dont been forced to play then i dont see anything wrong with this one in regard.

And one more thing you forgot to mention: Higher RTP for streamer account, I don't know technics but heard about this on Reddit discussions. Some websites offer higher RTP and bigger deposit bonuses for streamers and of course, all these account features, promos, bonuses will lead to the max win per week. It is just a matter of time to hit huge wins but for the average gambler spinning $1000 per bet is ridiculously high, IMHO.

This is true and a logical thing to think so that the stream will be more interesting and catchy. It's an exclusive privilege for famous streamers. To qualify for that, the streamer should be a heavy one with lots of viewers and followers. A high RTP isn't any assurance that these streamers will hit that jackpot but on the way, they have more chance of getting it compare to usual gamblers.

And the tricky part, viewers will think that they will have the same experience so they will test it. Not realizing their RTP is the default one different from the streamers.

Correct! Most online gambling sites are guilty of this. They fake their bets scores to not only attract people but to inspire them to bet big. A player may have wanted to bet with only $100, then they make you feel like $100 is small. The bad news is that you comply and end up losing it all. So whenever you see huge bets on gambling sites, know that they could be exaggerating and stick to your initial amount/decision. ;)

To be quite honest, doesn't surprise me one bit.
Streamers and influencers are well know for their shady practices (ie renting lambos and pretending they own it).
And casinos just play along, trying to get best bang for their buck

It's just a way to secure their money and attract a lot of customers who are already carried away from their game, there are so many influencers out there who are paid to attract a lot of customers not even just about gambling. Honestly, even though I know it's just about marketing needs but sometimes I also fall into their hole but when I have lost then I realize if this has to stop because I will never be able to continue to pursue what they got from that gamble.

actually the question here is "WHO IS CLEAN"? if there is at least single gambling site that can raise their hands telling people that at some point they did not do this? then i will rest my case  ;D ;D ;D

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But the problem is All casinos has this kind of advertising and strategy to lure players and i believe at most point this is effective?

and in the end it is the gamblers decision in which to play and bet though all has the same style lol.

Inspiring them to bet Big? how? because of aspiration from other bettors who put their big amount of bet? this is i believe is not accurate claims.
gamblers are not that stupid to think like that , sorry for the word but i am gambler myself and i believe will never act like this.
the bad news is? you learn that you fool yourself from believing like that.

I do not think that the casino can influence the size of the player's bet with any kind of advertising. If a person has a budget, then he should not exceed it, and if he suddenly thinks that he should win, then first he will win with a small bet and then he will be able to bet more. If he does not understand such simple things, then this is his personal mistake.

I'm sure there are  many victims website gamble. But luckily I am not careless in choosing a gambling site. I don't really know much about gambling sites, but some of the sites that do marketing here I think are quite credible. And I have an account on a site that is campaigned on Signature on this forum. Except some cases like I heard 1xBit that doesn't pay. But in the signature campaign has been given a warning and got Red Trust for his supporters.

If I see any of the Influencers or Streamers doing commercials that I think are a scam or an attempt to drag their viewers into a bad story, I just stop being a consumer of their content no matter how good it is. If everyone did that, they would just stop doing questionable advertising due to the decrease in viewers as this is the main factor affecting their income.

That can work if their audience has much gambling experience and knows that the streamers or influencers are doing the wrong thing with their videos. But when it is uploaded into social media, many people will watch the video, including the new people who want to learn more about gambling. It can not stop it unless we report him to Youtube or other social media so he will not upload his video or even worse, his account will get ban from them.

Nice move, I'm doing pretty much the same. By the way, I noticed that many people do this, so influencers and streamers try not to abuse their popularity (at least if we are talking about adequate, not trash streamers). The most popular streamers generally try to stay away from these topics because an angry audience can create a lot of problems from massive complaints to bullying in real life.

Agree most of the famous streamers are not doing this since it would drag bashers. But really those streamers are very influential on these things since really they could attract many people to play or buy this games. Since the pandemic came you could be famous and also make a ton of sales in your business if you've advertise it in the social media. Well hiring streamers are one of their strategy to advertise it is our own if we could be deceived

Well to be fair you can see the same fake/bot market-making strategies on new crypto-exchanges. Its a dirty trick but as long as there are no regulations against it in gambling, I doubt people will stop using everything they can to their advantage. So basically blame the law for this. >:(

I wonder if anyone officially even checks up on stuff like this.

Its actually not a fake bet, its also real bets made with real money but the only thing is all the money has been given by the casino itself so even if they win or lose the money is going to be in the hands of casino again and this is purely for promotion, no one supposed to believe what an influencer is doing completely since they too have their own mind for thinking purpose.

Sadly the marketing world out there is absolutely ruthless and there is so much money involved with gambling, at such high profit margins, that it will continue until it is heavily regulated. The streamers also deserve a lot of the blame because they are sell outs with few morals, almost all are willing to drop their standards or feign ignorance if someone waves enough money infront of them. In some cases it will be seen as a badge of honor that they are being recruited and paid so much by any company, little do they know that they are just advertising pawns doing a lot of damage to the people watching their streams. It does need to be much more transparent and the actual streaming platforms should be more involved in monitoring people who are doing it so blatantly.

Well, I recently saw a twitch streamer playing slots on a new gambling website and they have their Signature running here on the forum.
What I see is he's playing with 100k $ Slots 30-50$ /Spin but lost most of their money and over 300k $ in Loss and Still, they don't care much about their losses now reading about your Promo strategy of the Gambling websites makes me wonder if he only lost a fraction of that money.

More on the promotion side but we can't be remove the fact that there are people who easily fall from this trick, influence has done their side and create impact for the website that they are promoting, it's very important to understand that in each case all of those influencers used the house money, they are given that privilege to continue enjoying by risking nothing.


Even if he lost everything, but if that bankroll is provided by the house, then there's nothing to worry on his part.

The site wanted to attract gamblers to visit and play. Whatever promotion they use, it serve same purpose, to invite the attention
and established good relationship with every gambler to use their platform.

This is the correct way to go about it, however people have very short memories, many of them think of doing this when they find out there is something wrong with the content but then since they like the streamer and they do not want to give up the content they are producing they just give it a pass and keep watching their streams.

Which does not really make a lot of sense, after all if a company tried to scam me then I will never use their products and services and the same is true for anyone that was advertising them, but when it comes to streamers people give them most of the time the benefit of the doubt.

Lost a fraction?No they didnt actually lost up a single dime for sure because if that kind of behavior on where those streamers been doing then its safe to presume that the funds that they've been using
is indeed in house funds or been sponsored and this is something that surprising for streamers on having this kind of set up.Something deceptive?
No its not because you arent forced to make out deposits unless if they do really force you out but if its not then its a self will kind of act.

 ;D Show me at least one crypto exchange where bots don't operate? They work on absolutely all exchanges and on all traded pairs - if not for them, the liquidity in the overwhelming majority of pairs would be such that you would wait for the order to be executed not for seconds, but for hours or even days.

most new users are attracted by the possibility to win huge money in short period of time. if streamer shows how to win $50-$100 making small bets for several hours who will join the casino? so such kind of marketing is the result of the expectations.

But hey it do works and this had been the typical or casual or in default kind of marketing on where there are some people who do easily get hooked off and believed that it is really indeed possible.
This is the time that people will really be considering on making out some decisions on playing gambling just because they do saw that it is really working specially if those streamers shows off some
nasty win out of those bets and this is on the time where interest and greed really been showing off.

xposed and the Roobet crew can definitely be classified as frauds.

I think that their behavior should be condemned but I don't think that it's necessarily their fault - it's Roobet's fault for allowing this to happen in the first place.

The overreactions and dramatizations are simply way too overdone at this point to even be entertaining for most people. They're just targeting newbies.

And it is up to the user if he will take the bait. This is gambling, so they should know how things operate here. Watching their marketing ads are very tempting but once you played, it is totally different. So don't believe on things that you visually see because there are so many lies behind it.

This is one of the traps on newbies misinformation and false advertising, they will later find this all out, as they go on playing that is why it's important to have a forum like this where there are many conflicting ideas and opinions to weed out what's the truth on these advertising, here in gambling you must not believe on what one guy is saying when he promotes his affiliate link, he'll shill it to high heaven.

So every promotion will fall under the dark side not only the casino advertisement, for example girls are using cosmetics products just because celebrities were shown in the advertisement that they will become much brighter after the application of the cream in just 5 minutes but in reality its not really going to happen.

Many new gamblers will get in the trap and do not know how to get out from that as they will enjoy playing the games.
But if they know that is what the advertising will do to get new people, they will not bother to feel anything and consider that part of the marketing.
They will easily move to the other lesson or video just to fill what they need and not get tempted by the advertising.
That is why we need to be careful when seeing the advertising from social media and always search for more information to avoid the trap.

How many Streamers or Influencers do you know who were banned due to collusion with the casino? For YouTube to ban an account you need hard evidence that you can't provide. So the only really workable way to influence this kind of activity is to reduce the number of subscribers in all of the streamer's social networks.


Nowadays, the competition on the market is very high, so it is easy to find a replacement for your favorite streamer. By continuing to watch his content you support his activities.

Yes, these streamers are paid, and as well as whatever they're playing with is sponsored by that gambling company that they advertise and where they're playing at.
And they have to show the best that they can and be entertaining so that they will satisfy not only their audience but as well as the company that they're paid with. It's what they've been paid for to attract and be entertaining and even they spend all that has been given to them in balance.

What about the company you are promoting? you are calling roobet as fraud then what more for your own signature banner? a scammer> lol  ;D

believe me what you are accusing roobet>? it is more from your own company , roobet may be paying fake streams but your team is taking gamblers money .
roobet is just a single name called here but surely no gambling site that can raise their hands saying they don't have strategy to fool people, unless they are pretending ,

I guess it depends on the viewers if they are trying to attempt to play a gamble or not. We know that streamers show too that they are losing their money too on their actual stream but of course it's just like a token for the promoters to get more active players. Still, the streamers are doing their job just to promote some of them already telling that gambling responsibly. Some streamers are just using their money but they are including their referral links to create more promotions because sometimes they are giving away some rewards for their active supports so they more encourage to play and watch.

Yes, that's true that there's nothing to worry about on his part by the expression he has by losing 350k+ but still continues to play now, His twitch MODs keep bringing that up he lost this amount in gambling maybe to warn others. But it's quite messed up being his most users being under 18... He has the warning in his stream that it's "18+" but you know that doesn't work if people are already watching his streams and placing a tag of 18+ won't be stopping them.

Also, He didn't state anywhere that the money he lost is given by the gambling website.

That's not probably their money because I am pretty sure that if that streamer isn't famous then that means that that streamer isn't making that much money because I am pretty sure those streamers need that money more than anything else and I don't think gambling isn't their best pick in terms of spending money. So that's the reason why I conclude that those money is sponsored.

I guess you don't have to worry about gambling when you have unlimited sponsorship money! ;D So trusting such streamers is like trusting Twitter's shitcoin shillers!
Gambling is fundamentally unprofitable for players, and by trusting ads that are designed to attract new gamblers you increase the risks!

They need to make it more convincing to attract more gamblers, when they satisfied audiences they bring more gamblers to the site,

it only means that the owners will take a good cut from those referrals and the aftereffect of that is also bonuses or perks that will be provided to the streamers. Make more realistic and attract more players to come and ride.

It won't happen mate, revealing will cause him to lose those audiences. No one in the right mindset will do that.

Regarding to those under age viewers, that's really alarming but it can be faked even streamer place that under 18 is not allow this can simply do the tunnel and continue following and watching the live streams.

Not actually referrals but that's the sole purpose why they've hired those streamers to show their audiences how to do it with the casino they're advertising.
Yeah, sure, they'll get a good cut on it if the streamer himself got a large following and most of them are adults and are certainly into gambling. That's the type of marketing that they want and surely hitting their target and niche.

Its been a common thing when it comes to marketing aspect on where streamers with having lots of followers would really be significant or would really be enough on what they had been targeting on and of course

those advertisers would really be having some good cut specially if they would really bring up lots of users in the platforms.I dont see for it to be unethical or deceptive because you do have the

own will on making out decisions whether you do play or not basing up on what you had seen.

Exactly, viewers think they will get the same result in the case following the same betting patterns. Casino managements gave them special privileges, they have access to various bonuses and chances are high to hit big multipliers. Logically, it is rigged in favor of streamers so it is going to be a loser game for the rest of the casino users. Such practice should be banned but we have no evidence to prove this statement, unfortunately.
Twitch recently banned the affiliate advertisement, it means whoever streamer recommends his referral code on live stream can be instantly banned. Few popular streamers included Roshtein has been banned due to this experience or their channel was restricted.

Mistake or not, people fall for it. I've seen some folks who walk around with gambling papers and prizes, just before you gamble and try your luck, they tell you what someone else had gambled/won so they can motivate you to increase your gamble. This is also the same for many casinos, they show those big wins(which most times are "Fake bets") and really cause people to feel agitated and wanting to win(bet) big too.

I do not know who was banned from Youtube because I do not follow those streamers or Youtubers. But I heard that Youtube could easily ban Youtubers because someone or some people report them by providing a fake thing that can make people get trick. Yes, Youtube will investigate and search for the evidence but if they get a little thing that enough to ban that Youtuber, they will do that. But it is not easy to reduce the number of subscribers as they could hire someone to get the subscribers to their Youtube channel.

Yes, that's the function of the three dots feature in the yotube video about "Report", if many viewers report related content that advertises something that might harm others then of course YouTube can ban it. Reducing the number of viewers is something that is difficult and not many people think the same as you. Not only that even, I saw a video on youtube that has a large number of viewers and subscribers like thousands but believe it or not, even the like and comment buttons are empty. With that said, I'm assuming that the number of subscribers and viewers can be set using bots or something else, so to reduce the number of viewers on a channel that already has a lot of subscribers, I think it's impossible unless a lot of viewers and subscribers report it to youtube or via the three-dot feature that's there about "Report".

michellee, hahay: If you report a channel violation, the channel must violate some Youtube rules. It is forbidden to advertise gambling only on the main banners. If you think that the company has enough staff to detect collusion between streamer and casino, it's not true. Even if YouTube decides that the content can be dangerous for users, which is almost unrealistic, they will just delete the video, but they won't ban the channel. 

Videos have tags on them so even if it was dangerous for users, it will only be for a select age group or something, so it isn't really bannable or anything. Most channel terminations come from continuous violations of Youtube's terms, conditions, community guidelines, etc., and I'd reckon it'd only happen on maybe the 2nd or 3rd offense. Iirc, youtube warns you beforehand if such a thing was going to happen.

Well it's standard marketing/advertising strategy ngl. It's not really fake per se imo, just that it's close to selective advertising. It's like showing only the positive side of things while hiding all the damn losses people made. Kinda like that simpson meme where homer had clips behind him to hide some fat iirc? while showing in front that he's healthy.

while thread like this continues to grows? Roobet is continuing to dominate the crypto gambling sites in this area  ;D

no wonder why people in crypto don't understand that this strategy has been used by almost every gambling sites, they wanted to show good deeds on their side to lure players..

Every gambling casino is practicing this or has done this, but why do you care as long as they are true in their claim that they are provably fair and you can verify it, and as long as they are paying all their player's winning and there are not accusing their players of false accusation, that kind of marketing is acceptable, this is a marketing tactic to edge other gambling sites because the competition is very stiff.

Nah, it is actually understandable. With the tight competition, every online gambling website would always rely unto this kind of advertisement. This is the most effective way to lure and catch the interest of their target market.
Roobet might've dominated in adverising and promotion in this community, but it doesn't mean they have more volume of wagers compared to all other online crypto gambling websites.

Youtube will not directly ban or block the channel if some people report the channel but Youtube will investigate before doing something. Maybe if Youtube can not find the relation between the streamer and casino, they will inform both and tell them that they are under surveillance from Youtube. Youtube will delete the channel if the content is dangerous for people who watch the video because they do not want to be blamed by many people.

There is a hidden desire in this thread because of all gambling site why does Roobet is solely mentioned when there are lot of gambling site who does this same strategy . but with all that only roobet name has been called lol.
well comparing to others roobet has a high wager , actually roobet is 1.5 million dollars away from hitting a 2 billion wager . https://roobet.com/

What's deceptive are those fake bets that are appearing on the casinos. That's the unethical way of getting more gamblers because they're showing that they've got lots of bets but in fact that they're all fake. For the streamers that do get cut, surely they do they a cut but it's still depending on the contract that they'll sign with the casino that they'll advertise through their own platforms and channels.

Everything would really be have corresponding agreements but its just between the casino and the streamer of course.I dont have much idea on what are the average pay or cuts on this one though.

Yeah,its true that it is way too unethical on being too deceptive in regards on what they are trying to advertise out but as a viewer and does really make use of their own common sense

then you can really spot out these things directly.

I don't think these streamers will ever disclose how much they are getting paid. But if the streamer is a responsible one, he would not deceive his followers because sooner or later, their followers will soon realize about this deception and some of them may unsubscribe their channel. People talk and the word of mouth sometimes is a very powerful tool when it comes to marketing.

There is a lot of youtube bloggers scamming their subscribers and nothing is happen. Especially, russian bloggers are often tell this fact "in the face" to their auditory and nothing is changing for them.

So i'm doubt about reputation risks for such bloggers

So as an audience, we must filter and search for the other info to know if they will try to scam us or they serve good data. I only think about if they talk too much about what they do, it can show us if they lie to us or give a real fact about what they do. We can see about that after we watch some videos from them.

But out of that, they really make money from their channel and Youtube also pays them well, especially if they have a big subscriber.

This kind of vloggers are more into money making system they don't care about reputations as long as they can convert a decent amount of money. They are all okay doing it.

You need to be more careful as an audience never to believe without doing your own research it saves your butt being scam.

Use your common sense when dealing with this kind of streamers, even they've got a huge amount of followers and subscribers, it doesn't mean that they are reliable.

They are being paid and also earning from their viewers no matter how scammy things they are doing . so why the company suffers from their ruined reputations already?

and besides this is what the market is , and this is also how the internet is bringing us .

Comparing to others, yes! That's why I said "all" because there are actually a lot of gambling websites that has more than 2 billion wager count. Some aren't just transparent, and I find it a disadvantage from online gambling website who has been transparent with the number of wager and amount of wager places from a single player
And, that's actually the wagering count, not the wagered amount. So, I assume you mean Roobet is 1.5m wager away from hitting 2B.

Hopefully, we can take care of ourselves when we watch those videos and never getting scam by them. Although they can change their method to trick the audiences, we can protect ourselves from them carefully. Hopefully, someone can report them to the developer and they will investigate if their content is something that can break their rule so those bloggers will get a warning from the developer.

To be honest all of the advertisements in all fields, whether it's food, medicine, clothes, shoes, as well as gambling are not true at all. Advertisements purpose is to make people think it is real, but it's not for them to earn money while us don't get what we think we'll get. So most of you guys will think it's unfair, in my opinion it's not. We're just dumb to believe them without researching first about what they are promoting.

Nothing's gonna happen when some people unsubscribe their channel because they keep getting new subscribers because of their videos.
Showing the high returns anyone can get lured into subscribing their channel.
The streamers won't care for their audience because they are already getting paid a good amount for doing the job.
All they care for is money. If they would care for their audience then they would not be making such videos/streams at first place.

Unfortunately, people just think about gambling that gambling can give them money from playing various games. Many people follow other suggestions or promoting without further research, so they only get scam in the end. The advertisement itself always changes from time to time but new people can be the next victim. So whatever we watch on social media, do not just listen to them but always search for more to get the right thing about what they promote. If somehow, we feel that they do not give the right thing, we must leave it without searching for more.

Yeah, so we don't have to always complain because the advertisement differs from the real thing. Of course, advertisements exist to lure people to their gambling site, and your chances of winning or losing will now be determined by how you play and how much you wager. This is a fact that some people can accept, and I truly believe that individuals are simply greedy and desired a quick profit from a gambling platform with a high chance of winning. This isn't the case here; gambling will be determined by your luck and RNG level. ::)

Unfortunately this is very common when it comes to advertising, do we really think that when a celebrity promotes a product that they actually use it? Most of the time this is not the case, they are promoting something just because they are paid to do so and many times this is even true for the brands that belong to them.

So something similar is happening here, with some casinos hiring Internet celebrities to promote their brand, is it deceptive? Yes and unfortunately casinos are not the only ones doing this.

I am not aware of these things, Russian scammers could get away filing these things by stating the facts that they are making money scamming users, really strange to hear these things but i am not questioning these things as i am hearing for the first time and if they are scamming other countries they might not be having any legal issues.

I usually do not trust these advertisement and i am not surprised that that majority of the sites use shilling teams to promote their project and casino.

I'm far more wary of the fake adverts on YouTube if we listing complaints comparatively and I'd warn people of that far more and sooner then any promotional deal thats ongoing with streamers etc. and fairly obvious in comparison.   The adverts on YouTube are frequently fraudulent and just lies, selling made up products that wont ever do what occurs in the advert.  I even get a scam warning from anti virus software quite often if I click on a YouTube advert to warn me this website has been reported as fraud based.   I click because it supports the content creator not because I'm prone to believe the lies spread during the advert.   YouTube adverts have got increasingly worse, it needs to be said they are openly scamming people and it would be illegal if on TV.   On the other side acting as a promotor for casinos is relative open and fair game imo.  
  I dont see why people kick up a problem especially, watch or dont if you dont like it.

All will end up relying on how responsible you are, balancing what you watched from how you play. Streamers and influencers are there to allure people to play the game. Everything will be on your shoulders managing your funds and limiting yourself from losing a huge amount of money. For those who can't control and continue exceeding from the allocated amount of money, they are the one who was open their door to addictions.

The bad sides of this promotional streams, for some viewers, it serves as inspiration, but for those greedy gamblers, they are aiming to win a huge amount, which leads them to lose more.

By the way, who of those who saw an obvious fraudulent advertisement (or video with clearly fraudulent content) made a report about it? I believe that this is an effective way to increase the level of content and get rid of all scam and spam - if we are more active in this, then scammers simply will not make sense to waste time on such things. For example, recently there was a fight between Joshua and Usyk and I saw on Twitch a supposedly broadcast of this fight that spammed a suspicious link on which it could be watched. I made a report and this stream was closed, perhaps it made some naive users safe.

Well, we adults know that they don't really use the products that they advertise unless that personality really spends their time using products like the casinos that they're advertising and they're an avid user of it.

Yes, it's not only the casinos that do it and there are a lot of brands and companies that do it. They put them in a contract until a certain period of time that they have to play and show exposure to their casinos through that endorser they've chosen.

If you scale that, then you are right, there are more paid promotions being advertised inside YouTube.

Not the streamers, but the site itself who provides those paid advertisements to those viewers who are not careful, for sure they are endangered
following external sites, believing that it's legit since YouTube allows them to promote.

Minding yourself from those fake streamers or advertisement is very important to lessen the chance of being allure and lose your money.

This is why we also need to cautious on the gambling site we choose and always make sure that we are dealing with popular/reputable casinos advertised in youtube so that the risk is  not high compare to unknown casino which has been advertisement by suspicious streamers which doesn't have credibility to market a casino.

And its somehow easy to spot them since most of them show an edited vids and always show unrealistic result and profits to their viewers.

The issue is that this forum is not as popular as it was with newbies back in the day, years ago if you wanted to find anything related to crypto this forum was the place to go, since then newbies have a lot more options to find out about anything related to crypto in social media, and since many young people are heavy consumers of social media they prefer to obtain their information from those sources than to come to this forum, and unfortunately this means they decide to follow those fake ads.

Common sense is all you need and you are not dumb on not to notice it and if you are in doubts then all or sources you could possibly checked out specially on this forum on where people are
mostly experience and could give out real time feedbacks and suggestions towards on the named website.It doesnt really need for you to exert too much effort or hard work on asking
out and since this forum itself is a good source of information on the first place.

I saw this topic and also decided to write what I think.  
Of course, fake promotions have plagued us all our entire lives.  And this applies not only to casino advertising or even specifically to this casino that you are writing about.  Unfortunately, it is now almost everywhere.  Watch TV commercials.  Advertising for banks, cosmetics, medicines, vacuum cleaners, etc. - everything, absolutely everything is fake.  And the goal here is one - to tell you where else you will voluntarily go to give your money yourself, and the advertiser will receive it accordingly.  So the question is much broader and more complex.  Because I can't even imagine whether this worldwide falsehood will end at least someday during our lifetime?
 Most likely no! :(

It's part of the business when they know that a particular streamer gain a lot of views and followers of course it's more easier to promote their platform and also they paid the user plus the additional demo money from their platform. Still it depends on the transactions of both parties. We always say that the Gambling houses wins the game and if you got lucky you play against the odds. It's part of their strategy game to win and gain more players.

I guess not only do they make money from referrals but they also make money from the direct advertisements of the site. Streamers aim for money, so we should not believe that they are really making a lot of money, or betting a lot, otherwise, they will relax and enjoy their winning and be consistently making money without telling people what they are doing.

That strategy that they are doing is very normal as we can see a lot of advertisements that is very attractful to make a lot of users in the gambling platform and those promotes are gaining money in both promoting and referrals.Well, we can't deny that some of the streamers have money but some are aiming money to be more rich or fulfill his desires in gambling.

It had been explained in the OP, actually they are paid by the casinos through rewards on what they are wagering. Then they have an incentive to play seriously and to show to people how you can win jackpots and big prizes on these games.

That's their main intention on why they hype some gambling site so much since they see a huge opportunity to earn by just doing that and its not surprising that they do fake bets or use fake money just to show some amazing game result that they go thru so that they can lure people to come to and play with them. But we need to be careful on what casino they are promoting since this is also important so that we will not lose anything for scamming reason.

No I disagree you are not "lucky" if you win against the odds, because except if the game is rigged, you will always have a chance to win something. If you have 48% chances to win at a Hi-Lo game, I wouldn't say you are very lucky if you manage to double your stake.

Unfortunately common sense is not as common as you would believe, people make all kind of decisions that in retrospect we need to wonder why they did it? And most the time it is because they take their decisions based on emotions, also right now people rely extremely on social media and this means that if they see that several people are recommending a casino to play then they are going to want to play there without making any research about it just because they believe those people, not understanding that most likely those people were hired by the casino to promote them on those platforms and as such the reviews they give are not impartial.

You do really got the point which is actually true that people do directly believe into someone which they do really seem to be trusted and wont really make out any in depth research which would really result into direct

engagement without even knowing on what would be the next thing to happen.Most of the time people do really learn up when things do happen after.

So these are common real life scenarios which we do believe that it do happen.As a gambler or spectator then you should have at least that awareness.

^ That is very common to the streamers, though they are not directly fake the bet it could be also they are betting with an unlimited fund or it could be manipulating by the house edge, increase the chances of winning by the streamers and the sponsorship will always there. That is why I did not fun to this kind of entertainment game or by introduced gambling by streamers because probably this is a fake bet and there is nothing true to the,m. However, that is their passion to lure people but if we know their purpose, we can simply avoid them.

They won't expose it what or where they're making the most.

That's their main goal since they've decided to be a streamer and full time with it, any opportunity that comes to them, they'll grab it as long as those are legitimate like these sponsorships and dealing to show how to bet for that sponsoring casino.

I'll take the case of 1XBIT, if these gamblers who've been scammed already know the existence of Bitcointalk and how active the forum is when it comes to gambling discussion they would have joined casinos with a good reputation, many new gamblers are recruited on the ads and social media ads, this is why many scam casinos pour a lot of money on social media and buying ads space on popular platform

This is actually a subject that has two sides to a story....

Let's not forget that the Streamers are also functioning as "juicers" ...... all bets that are made are going into a "Pool" and the RTP of that game then give back a percentage of those bets to random players. So the Streamer are not guaranteed to receive back the amount that they are betting ...because other random players might win the money that the Streamer pushed into the "Pool"

On the other hand, some people are saying that some Streamers are playing with "special" lucky client & server seeds and/or a more favorable RTP..than other players. (I do not know if this is true... only casinos will know that)  ::)

When we use a small amount of money, our risk will not be bigger and if somehow, we lose all of that money, we will not regret it too much because we know that gambling can make us lose money. If we watch those streamers and see they use big money to gamble, we need to avoid following their step using big money because the result will not be the same as what they get. Those streamers will get popularity by uploading many videos about their activity in the gambling games and I think they are making money from their video. So if we only follow them without thinking about how much money we use, we will lose that money, which could be a big loss to us.

All starts with small bets and once we get used to gamble everyday for sure we will find ways to increase our bets then urge to win more money from it. I'm sure all of us came to this and even if we lose a small amount of money still we regret on the strategies we made nor the money we continuously put while we are on bad shape while betting. For sure streamers intention is to get money from referrals also with views so we shouldn't hail them then follow what they do since for sure they are not losing more compare us regular bettor only.

they can earn money thru referalls if they are good at acting it or good at promoting it because more viewers will sign up under them but if they are poor on executing the task , they cant make much money thru referalls .

some yes but some do streaming because they have passion in it and not only to make money . for the streamer that wants to earn more , he might actually gamble for real or by using his own cash .

I think this is the main intention of the streamers so they can make money from people who sign up under their referral.
If we noticed, they will post a referral link below the video and they will tell us to click on the link.

For me, as a viewer, if I see the video as interesting and helpful on my part, then I would not hesitate to sign up on the streamer's referral link as a way to reward his/her effort.

you are right
some streamers do it for fun, but when/if they start to grab more attention and have more people watching they can monetize their work in a varied number of ways like direct sponsors, referrals, so forth and so on.

It's unsurprising to see a gambling site here defend the activity, after all they stand to make a lot of money from such advertising and it is a rather cost effective way for them to get noticed. The people who defend this activity tend to be sheep or might be getting paid in some form to defend such activity. Unless you're an owner who stands to benefit, it does not make sense to defend such underhanded tactics and it makes it harder to figure out real reviews in general. Very few streamers tend to disclose this form of sponsorship and there needs to be more pressure from government agencies to crack down on such activities. It is unfair against open and honest casinos who use normal advertising.

I will agree to that, if you find something good with how the streamers demonstrate the game, signing to the site using his referral is one way of saying thanks, and you do appreciate what he's doing. It's not a secret about paid service to promote the gambling site. Most of the time streamers collect a decent check from the owner, aside from referrals streamers also discuss things from the site owners in terms of possible price of his service.

Though not all are really direct with the site owners, some are already contented with referrals, especially those streamers who are also gambler itself.

But again, if it's something too good to be true, don't bother yourself. It's simply part of either the site ads or streamers ways to earn.

Whenever a streamer doesnt really have any contracts or sponsorship then its just typical or normal for them to look on something new or currently on trend which they would make use and trying to hook up

viewers interest and of course they would really be hoping that they could really able to make some attention and make money out of it or would have at least make out some move that might poke up

companies interest and might give him some sponsorship later on.This is how this industry works and it isnt that surprising.

You can also get insights about their reputation if you try to read the comments section. You will have an idea if the followers are satisfied with the streamer or not, or is he receiving negative feedback? But of course, don't treat all comments as valid. You will know if the post is legit or not by checking also the facts. You can test the site by yourself using small amount of money, but don't get too confident that you will achieve the same results of the streamer.

That's very thoughtful of you but, I really don't get it on whatvyour trying to prove. Should it be that, a clue tothis notion was stated in the T&C, it  could be seen as a clear indication to a promotion and which ever qY a user perceives it, its clearly from his or her own perspective based on the fact that, the user failed to read the T&C for further clarification. It's one way to some legal process. It's more like one plagiraizing on the forum and claiming to be ignorant of the rule. Depending on the magnitude of the case, its most likely not to count. Hence, I it was stated perhaps once, it notifies the aligations.

I am very much strongly against this.

I think that it is a dishonest practice, to put it bluntly. No consumer should make their decision off of some streamer who has an infinite money glitch from the casino.

It truly sensationalises a lot of the content and makes the streamers a lot richer than they actually are in reality... Not a fan.

Its their job and even if we are against to it, that's how the casinos work and they'll do everything to attract many gamblers as much as possible. That streamer knows the risk of being exposed to gambling especially you have many followers that might put you on bigger risk but since they are working for money, they'll do it anyway. If you see fake bets on the casinos you're playing, better to raise your concern and also tell people about it so they can leave that casinos as well.

Even if me I’m being paid for that I’ll do it especially on a situation right now where having a money is very important, its their job and its legal since they are not promoting illegal things though having such fake bets are quiet greedy for the casinos. We all need multiple source of income, but make sure you are more responsible on that since you are influencer so make sure those site are legit to advertise.

If we look at our history, regret will be there because if we can hold ourselves by using that money, maybe we can use that money for other things that we really need. If we urge to win more money from gambling, that will not be wise because no matter how hard we try to win big, the chance for the loss will be there and the loss can be bigger without we realize. Those streamers do not care about the effect that other people will get because of watching their video. Those streamers only give the video and give the decision for people and it is our job to be wise and filtering about what we watch from the internet.

They are only luring people to gamble but they are  not committing crime here so i don't really understand the motive of this post.,

and actually this happens when Roobet is Booming , it looks like an attack from other gambling site that has been affected because of the growth of roobet.

Well, I think it all comes back to each of them because good gamblers are those who gamble with their own will, not following other people's trends that seem easy in gambling. If you gamble, make gambling your style because if you just follow people's gambling style it will be very dangerous. So whether or not there are fake bets in streaming in this case, I personally don't care because I just think it's just for advertising purposes and of course it will be different from real bets.

Every Streamer chooses how to monetize content, but I believe that self-respecting Streamer and most importantly respecting their subscribers will not take part in advertising that can have a negative impact on people who trust him. If a streamer engages in such activities, he spits in the face of his subscribers, so I refuse such content and advise others to do so. 

The streamers can promote any gambling site he wants, but he has to ensure that it will not ruin his reputation so his subscribers will continue to patronieze the channel. Being a streamer, their best asset is their viewers, so no viewers means no influence on what they are promoting.

I absolutely agree with you. But as practice shows, some streamers are willing to advertise not entirely honest promotions and casinos for money. In my opinion, even if the streamer advertises some dubious action he should warn viewers that he got money for this advertisement. This approach makes it clear that the streamer warns his subscribers of the high risk of losing money. Unfortunately, not many streamers do it.

I think that it's definitely an issue.

As a community we need to stand against this actively. Otherwise, these streamers will continue to push out content for these casinos at the expense of the consumers.

Hopefully twitch and other streaming platforms take a stance as well soon. This is definitely not good enough unfortunately.

Some streamers of course uses their popularity to gather more players who will play on the platform they advertise some of them guide those newbie comers who wants to use the platform as support, still, it's good if the streamers will guide them to gamble still the end of the day they cannot handle their viewers like to set a limit to their gamble still the players choose the streamers job is to promote the platform and personal advice to them to prevent getting addicted and lose tons of money.

streamers nowadays only plays good  in the beginning to lure more and more followers/viewers .

but in the long run when they already had the enough followers? then they will do anything they want in the name of money and in this area they will promote everything caring nothing if their reputation will explode.

that is what people do for the sake of money.

this is a thing
many people forget about the importance of reputation and get burned for some money short term by promoting websites and services that are scams
way better to think longterm
money is fungible, reputation is not

Disclaimer and other informational drive aside from driving gamblers to advertise gambling sites, though most of the time streamers do not care about it, they just aiming for referrals and paid salaries from the site that they are helping. More on cash-cow treatment with those viewers who are watching their stream videos.

And still, after everything, it is the gambler or the viewers that held responsible for any actions that they'll going to take.

No one is to be blamed, those paid streams are part of advertisement. It's not normal to anyone to just follow every streamers
your own understanding will help you not to lose tons of money for the sake of entertaining yourself.

Many people do not have sufficient skills to independently analyze the advertised object and rely entirely on the reputation of the streamer. Others simply can't refuse to watch content they like. That is why we can still see advertisements of dubious nature on the channels of streamers who have a huge number of subscribers.

If we do really make ourselves not to be blind on everything then we wont really be easily get hooked into possible frauds and deceptive streams that will led into those non fair sites.

You should be always be sensible on dealing up with things no matter how you do trust up that particular streamer because not all things had been suggested or recommended would

always turns out to be fair or good.So its up to your own common sense and awareness.

Have you guys heard about the Twitch leak?

Monthly payments to top streamers from Twitch:
https://i.imgur.com/oX34u3j.png
https://twitter.com/KnowS0mething/status/1445651544200781830

Gross payments from August 2019 to September 2021:
https://i.imgur.com/SgeB5Nz.png
https://twitter.com/KnowS0mething/status/1445663228831297545

These are only direct payments from Twitch! It does not include advertising revenues, merchandise sales donations, etc.
I think that scammers simply don’t have enough money to order advertising from such guys, and streamers will never risk their huge income for one-time earnings.

People seem to think that the first option is better, but I personally believe that both of these funding options should be banned.

Inflated bet amounts are just as misleading as infinite refills, even though you could make the argument that the streamers actually have some sort of genuine reaction (since they can withdraw 1%).

With these inflated bet amounts they are likely to take on risks and bet higher amounts on higher odd payouts... Which is totally misleading.

Isn't a kind of marketing strategy of a casino? I do not see any harm in such tactics. I have not watched any streams recently but I remember many casinos promote such streamers on their platform. If you are smart enough then you should know that it is a marketing strategy to get more customers. Another question I want to ask from you which gambling website do you think is a saint?

I don't think that people forget about the importance but from what i've seen there's just less repercussion as most streamers are able to retain their viewership regardless of the brands they're promoting.

I think there's no such thing since it's normal for players to have a bad experience in any casino and it's kind of inevitable because of the terms and conditions.

As long as we do not take their play seriously, we will not get deeper into the gambling or even stay away from that and decide to learn from the other resources. The video can be our lesson if we can find good streamers which can be honest to their audience and that is rare to find those people like that. It will need research to find the gambling site and that will not be easy to get it.

This is actually a rather cryptic question🙂.  And the answer to it can be, perhaps, only one "there are no such casinos!".  Because, firstly, many religions do not allow approving gambling and profit in general.  And secondly, any gambling site will find players who will believe that they were wronged, although they themselves are to blame, did not read the rules or got confused and lost money, then offended, tried to return it, but it did not work out.  Of course they will curse such a site.  And this applies to absolutely everyone.  Both crypto and fiat casinos.  We can only talk about casinos, to which there are few complaints.  Apparently they are the best, but not at all "saints"

Internet personality is like a Highway in which they will only passed and earn then will divert to another business so what do they care about reputation at all? they can still live better after gaining enough funds to start new business in real life.
those streamers cares nothing at all so why do we care?

What should you do if a streamer plays honestly for $ 100, but for someone it is a huge amount of money? Ban too? I don't see any logic in this - each person decides for himself how much to risk when betting, if at the same time he looks at others (for example millionaires) and decides to make the same big bets, then this is his mistake and problem.

So, you mean as part of marketing strategy they can lie to us? Then how we could expect them to remain honest in all other aspects? I am not ready to agree with the argument of "for the sake of marketing" because it is not convincing me to keep believing into a services for my hard earned cryptos. I just need a fair platform which should not lie for any reasons.

We need to think with the aspect of basic human psychology. When gambler is making huge profits on a live stream from a reputed casino then what will you do? You might get temped and then you may start copying his all strategies and tactics. So, most gambler will start taking such things seriously but time frame may differ gambler to gambler.

hum, not sure if I fully agree with having skills to analyze the companies that approach you
maybe I got used to it and now it's obvious but is not so hard to tell real from fake/scam and even if you can't at first glance you should ask things about their businesses before just accepting money to promote something that could be bad for people

but I understand your point as well

Talk about basic human psychology, not all people will getting effect with what they watch or hear instead will trying to filter and see the bad and the good for them. Maybe that can affect some gamblers, and the rest will consider that it is a video that they can watch in many sources or media. If most gamblers start taking such things seriously, then it needs to be asked how they can control themselves when they are playing gambling if they can get the effect because of watching that video?

Casino platforms will of course do marketing as a tactic for more customers and they are the ones who pay for a streamer with a large number of followers and are used to gambling streams so I think whatever it is marketing is still done that way, even I see a lot of downward streams that doing marketing on his casino, isn't this just after money and knowing his reputation?
I can't say it's sacred but it's true that many have done it, including even big casinos.

While we should definitely strive to protect the younger generations who are very impressionable and have not built up the knowledge of critical thinking to question what these streamers are doing, I think at some point we need to accept that grown adults should know better. If a streamer is identified as having a large younger audience, then they should receive special attention as to what they are doing and any subtle advertisements that they drop in. It's just extremely hard to distinguish between someone who genuinely likes a product or service, and someone who is being paid behind the scenes to promote it - you might have to ban such endorsements or clearly state that the views might be biased. It would need some sort of official and effective regulator who can actually investigate such activity (in every country), because it would require knowledge of payments that is generally quite hidden.

Sorry didn't open the to see the tweet but fake bets ???

Not to sound like a shill for Roobet but I have been a participant of some of the twitch streams which are usually characterized to have giveaways of the funds that the streamer wins after a betting session and later gives away some of the winnings to the streamers that were watching...and nothing about this give the impression that this was fake and fortunately for me I have gotten to win some funds as well.

It's the sad fact that many don't understand about these internet celebrities, influencers and streamers. They're all just for the buck and endorsement.
It's like, they're just minding their own business and it's only a job to them when they endorses a site that has paid them to do so.

Nothing is wrong with that as long as the online casino is a legitimate provably fair casino. And yes that's part of the marketing strategy to show the public how fair the online casino is upon playing several of the games offered by the online casino.
But the problem is, most of the streamers are deceiving the viewers as If they're playing with their own money.
So, that falls under the  FTC rules  (https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/business-center/guidance/advertising-marketing-internet-rules-road).
I'm not against these streamers streaming their gambling activities as long as they will properly disclose if they're using their own money or they are tied with the online casino company.

I really hate Lying site because this comes to fooling people/gamblers  if a company really paying for this fake bets streaming then i think there is something to explain for.
though almost every casino has their own strategy and i also believe that many of them are doing the same faking of bets.

The bets that have been casted by a streamer is real, he's given a credit to bet with and show it to his audience.

But the fact is that there really are many casinos that fake their bets and shows fake winners on their leaderboards.

Your statements are contracting, you said there is nothing wrong about it, you later said people are deceived. Is there nothing wrong for a company to be deceiving people? There is something wrong about that to me. Many gambling companies will always use this strategy but it is wrong. I will wonder if someone win a very big amount of money and the company will not be able to pay because I believe upcoming gambling sites will have such wrong deceit as a marketing strategy, fake bets are very wrong.

It's part of the sponsorship I guess having a payment to the streamer is giving them a token but AFAIK they cannot withdraw those funds instead they need to farm or share on the stream those gambling games to be part of the contract. This kind of thing considered a fake bet? I guess not because still, it becomes part of the wage on their platform. Most of the gambling platforms use this kind of strategy so nothing wrong with it. At the end of the day still, the gambler is responsible.

If it's on a reputable casino, it's unlikely that they'll do that even in marketing. Most of those casinos that are likely engaged with this marketing and strategy are the newer ones.
They're building their reputation and having those fake bets that seems to be high is part of the attraction to make it look that they've been used by a whale gambler.

I would agree. There's no real need to go balls-deep into advertising if you're already an established entity in the market you're working on, and with Gambling Industry becoming more and more like a monopoly, the competition will be tough for those who are at the bottom of the ladder while the ones at the top could rest easy. So we can safely assume that whatever gambling firm does this tactic, they're prolly new to the scene and are trying to make a name for themselves by going all-in with the advertisements courtesy of the streamer they are sponsoring. Then again, you have to understand that there's no real drawback against the people who are playing in the site, so what if these people are being paid thru the bets and they make it so they earn it through the games. The players and patrons aren't really disadvantaged in any way possible because at the end of the day, gambling should be taken for what it is, a game that you can lose. If you gamble, you expect to enjoy and have fun, not to win big because if you do the latter, you'll be disappointed big time.

This mostly happens when the goal of creating new contents is to make money not looking at the later effect that might be a later to new gamblers that are betting in the platforms they advise there followers to bet on claiming they had already tested they platform to be a good one just to make extra penny. This is why we should not be moved by what we see on social media

As long as you don't have tangible proves to support the claims you may not attract a good audience to this issue, most shady gambling sites are involved in so many illegal activities and promotions that are not real. But I think any gambling site that will like to last long in the business will try as much as possible to attract real players.

There are almost hidden disclaimers on what I perceive as paid advertisements which of course is common in the advertising industry. Not all streamers doing these kinds of reviews might put all of the factual information and instead will leave you wanting for more information. Internet personalities are not all nice guys in my opinion. Some have agendas of their own and they make sure that they hide any sense of falsehoods under their skills in acting.

Most of the youtuber do something like that is not promoting responsible gambling, they promote what they think they can earn and some other content creator there doesn't give a damn about how their followers will go thru since what is more important to them is the money they can possible collect thru the referrals and youtube views. That also the reason why we don't need to follow what those content creator say and we should always listen to our own personal opinion.

I think the reputable casino won't even think of placing such bets on their sites. If they do so, they will lose not only the customers (gamblers) but also the trust. They should not even think of doing  paid promotion on their site and do not make money through fake methods.

I suggest not putting or leaving many in casino if no plans in playing within that day or week. We never what may happen within that time as the crypto market is volatile as well we can’t guarantee the casino capability it’s better to withdraw if done playing or no plans in playing again in short period of time. It’s like in trading we never know if the market will drop and we don’t want to invest in that coins for long term then better shift it to much stable currency or safety. It’s our chance to keep our self away from the burden of hack or system interruptions that may happen while were not online or not gambling.

That's absolutely correct. It's always better not to keep our coins on exchanges/gambling websites for a long time.
If we intend not to use coins on the platform then we are better off at withdrawing those coins to our wallet to prevent being a victim of a hack/scam.
Also, in some casinos USDT are deposited to our wallet when we deposit the cryptocurrencies and we have to play with the USDT then.
So if we deposit more number of coins and if the market goes in a downtrend then if we withdraw we get low number of coins.
So it's better to withdraw the coins while their value is high and in profits.

Many are doing that, they are only after with the potential profits that they and get from their viewers. Not all are nice, but most are wise to lead you to follow them and bring them nice cash in their wallets. It's barely needed to make sure that you fully understand what you'll going to do. Not doing your research will always lead you to risk.

Disclaimer or anything that streamers provide still not an assurance or protections, any participation that you'll going to do are still all on your shoulders. Best to be wise if you are only looking to have some fun.

Play responsibly and forget about those fake bets that you watch. Be more realistic and aim for your desired target.

And your example is what happens when those people do not make their due diligence or they try to make it at the wrong places, there are review sites that also give their impression about the casinos they review but it is rare you will find a good review site, why? Because they are paid to give good reviews or directly tell the casino what they are about to do and the casino gives them preferential treatment which defeats the purpose of the review, while in the forum you will find people that actually played there and have no incentive to lie about their experience.

Well, I guess this is one of the reasons why the world is so strict and hard for the upright and honest man, like it or not, the truth remains that it's been this way for ages now, and I don't think anything can be done to stop it except christ comes, this make-believe kind of advertising has been on and it's been one of the major strategies used by big companies(even outside crypto and betting) to gain customers.
This is why its adviced to always do your own research before trusting any firm with your money, never trust or believe everything you see or hear in advertisements most especially, the sponsored ones as they are sure full of make-believe stuffs very far from what actually is the reality.

It's a real thing for shady casinos, they won't be called shady if they're not doing anything such as fraud and fake bets. They'll engage on it no matter what because they're aiming to gain the reputation that they want. But for them to claim that, they won't care doing these shortcuts and trick that won't be really good their business if someone happens to know that they've been doing it.

I agree but with proper marketing ideas.

It is pretty crazy how much these streamers are getting paid by Twitch. Do you know if this is purely from subscriptions or is Twitch paying them directly in order to keep them on the platform? It makes you think that these people shouldn't be too much more greedy when it comes to sponsorship's, it'd be quite refreshing if everyone was open with what they were getting paid extra to promote and might even make the products more desirable if we knew up front. Nobody minds these people getting free products, but their views and feedback should always be a 100% genuine - it would help the company too if they were really interested in releasing only the best.

In my opinion, this is a new form of marketing that has yet to be regulated. If the viewer of such a video was informed that it is only a demo, instruction or demonstration without risk involved, it would be fine. In case it is covered up that it is just a show, it is unethical in my opinion. I think that soon the services that provide this type of video will regulate this and it will be eliminated.

regardless of whether this action is called cheating or not, I think this goes back to an individual perspective because here especially in this case there are no written rules about something.
and when you look at it from one side to the other this is a strategy they use to attract fans, regardless of whether it's dirty or not, they are sure to succeed.
and here we can't blame the people who work with the casino because they are just workers. what needs to be emphasized is why you are interested because it is clear that such a thing must have been arranged.

I believe there are no deceptive gambling platforms because those gains and losses will always depend on you regardless of what happens in the game, it's a battle of luck, and we must not forget that this is still gambling. As long as the platforms pay, those fake bets by streamers might be nothing more than advertisements, similar to what other influencers or models do to make a product look good.

One of the issues here is that many are quite greedy, seeking to share the same rewards as the streamers. These methods, or should we say advertisements, are only intended to lure consumers; it is still your responsibility to observe and research the gambling platform, and your winnings will be decided by your luck, not theirs. :P

1000 into 50,000 is only a matter of time ?  What have I been doing wrong if its supposed to work out like that.    What I think is more likely is 50x 1000 might be needed to win back the 50k and maybe worse odds if you prove unlucky.   Watching someone spending a ton of cash only winning back the exact odds anyone else could, this is positively sainthood levels of promotion honesty compared to most tricks in the advertising business.   Just look at fashion and modelling, all the tricks they pull to create fake pictures of models for front covers which then has teenage girls taken down the road of body dysmorphia.  Is that illegal apparently not but its highly deceptive, basically a lie so profitable the government waves it through to carry on tricking more people.

there are many gambling sites here and indeed our knowledge is needed so that we can choose a good site that is safe and good. that is why a gambler needs good experience and knowledge so as not to be deceived by sites that make losses or sites that are fraudulent. it will harm us especially for people who are not too familiar with the world of gambling. there are many sites that offer to win easily and quickly in gambling, of course it attracts the attention of gamblers especially for people who have just joined. so we have to be more careful in choosing it.

The new websites need to bring the gambling addicts to their platforms and the best way is to promote the service on the Twitch channels. Sponsored money is not real money and usually, streamers can only withdraw a small percentage of the winnings, so it is not ethical to show fake max wins to gamblers and expectation they will choose your casino. Many gamblers are aware of the situation after countless discussions and this becomes annoying tbh.

For some gamblers but you know that there would be always a noob who do really easily believe into something which they do saw that they could be rich if they do play on that particular site.

This is where common sense is really useful because even you are just noob but having that kind of awareness in mind then you would  really able to save your ass up.

This market had lots of frauds and shady things been done that's why you should be sensible towards your actions.

No I don't think this market is full of frauds and shady things, at least not more than into other markets from the crypto world anyway. But it's always more reliable to use old and big platforms because they are less likely to scam people than the smaller ones.

That's right mate, gambling is not bad, the people behind it who are running casinos are. They try to lure new gamblers and make them addict by giving away various bonuses to them, then when those players start enjoying, they start the rigging game which takes every drop of money out of the pockets of the gamblers and puts it in the treasuries of casino. This isn't about any specific casino, but some of them are really shady. Playing on some reputed ones can help gamblers not to get stuck in a situation as above.

Yes I agree with you, gambling on the most reputed casinos is the better protection against scams IMHO but gambling on provably fair games is also a good solution to prevent scams from rigged games even if it doesn't protect against exit scams.

Provably fair can't really help a gambler TBH if he doesn't really know how to check it. I had my friend gambling at a site he got to know in a message from some unknown source. He asked me that how's this site for gambling? I said I don't recognise this site, saw it for the first time. Did you invest there? He said, yes, I put over $200 to bet on some games. Later, when he tried to withdraw, the site blocked his account and he never got his money back. Even licensed websites with provably fair feature can scam if the desire of casino owners is not so good.

That's a sad story, but people have to keep in mind that provably fair scheme only prevents gambling games to be rigged, it can't protect against bad actors stealing users funds. If the platform where you gamble is not a reputed one you should always deposit small amounts and withdrawing them the more quickly you can because as soon as you send your funds somewhere you have to trust this entity.

This is a fairly realistic thought, because indeed we must be aware that casinos also do gambling for profit and indeed their business is in this case that is focused on gambling, and we cannot protest against the rules that apply because it is like you said luck . when you win means you are lucky and when you lose you can't blame the gambling because this is a consequence that must be accepted.

and talking about streamers it's true this is an advertisement and they do promotions in a simulated way, and that means when we do that the results will be the same because from both the casino and the streamer they certainly have certain deals although not all of them are like that.

Fake bets are really deceiving but if you're having a second thought about a certain site, you can try it once so you'll have an idea if they're really providing fake bets. It's still important that we're being skeptical about the sites that we're joining. Some sites are creating fake bets to fool and deceive gamblers so we have to be wiser and smarter than them.

dangerous to claim for regulators to check every streamer subtle discourse
I wouldn't go this way, better to educate people to not fall for scams and yes we can have some regulations in terms of irregular ads, undisclosed ads or something like that

I actually don't really understand what you mean by fake.
do you think it's fake when influencers try games and win lots of bets whereas when you try they win nothing?
or maybe you try once and you lose the bet you are playing then it is considered fake?
it's all gambling, friends, so apart from all the effort, of course, the bookies also want to make a profit and they carry out strategies such as making collaborations with streamers and they both benefit from it.
and skeptics, it's true that we have to act like that, and actually trying also I think is already out of skepticism because even before trying we should know which things can deceive and which don't.

But there are gamblers who do really love on testing out new things whenever new gambling sites do really pop out because its not really always most of the time on where new sites are automatically considered to be scam.

You could actually able to determine which one is shady and which one is shady and which one is considerable on just seeing the design of the site itself where you could really have that kind of
impression.

You just make sure on using up your own common sense for you to determine out on probabilities of frauds around and make yourself prepared.

one of the nice things about bitcointalk is that many of the scam websites are exposed here so people can protect themselves as well
some sites also publish they methods and you can verify that their lotto and other games are provably fair

Yeah, very true mate, this forum really doing a great job in exposing scam sites, both in gambling and crypto currencies in general.
But in the aspect of gambling, I doubt if any scam site has ever been exposed without them first scamming a member of this forum off his or her money, we get to know that a site is a scam only when a member comes complaining about the situation, this is why I always advice people to always watch it very carefully while they are testing out a new gambling site, if the money is important to loose, then don't risk it, allow others to rest and come back with their review before you make your own decision.

I think something similar, when we see an ad and we see a famous person using a product do we actually think they are using the product they are promoting? No, we know they are being paid for it but in that case the assumption is clear from the beginning as it is an ad, so if those that are giving those reviews are open about the fact they are being paid to give the review or at least say that it is an ad then I have no problems with what they are doing, but if they are hiding this fact and selling it as real then that is without a problem as they are deceiving their audience.

^ yeah, I got your point.
We already know how will work those streamers not only in the gambling industry, those in ads that are misleading people, using models that don't even use their product and Roobet was using this strategy, and now they are one of the fastest-growing casinos. If you have to know how streamers deal with this then you should have limit yourself. Dont believe in streamers because they are doing their job just to promote casinos, if you know that is a fake bet from streamers, at least you can verify if there is a real provably fair of each bet so the fake bets that are made by streamers do not matter because we knew it already.

Fake bets on the sense that they are using sponsored money which is understandable but faking out bets which do really connects out with fairness issue then its an another story.Its understandable on how these influencers would really come into this route on where they might be ending up on a bit deceptive.

As said that as a gambler or speculator whenever you do make out these kind of notices then it would be just normal for you to make out counteractions opposing on what you are currently seeing.

You own perception and common would be the one would save you up.Dont let yourself fall into something which is deceptive.

Seriously these streamers don't care about their audience.

See YouTubers like RiceGum, JapePual.
And recently I've started watching a streamer from the league community and he's promoting a well known gambling casino to their audience knowing full well the majority of the audience is under 18. But that solves after they put 18+ in the video but does that work for people who wants to break rules whenever they can?

well, the site can only be a scam if it scams someone.
the point I don't get is why these people don't just go the right way and be fair/don't scam
in the long run they'll make much more money than scamming and being exposed for their faults

They really don't. Although I'm not following that much those streamers and content creators that focus more on gambling I see them once in a while, people should be careful with their strategy of convincing their audiences. I think there's a psychology impact why these advertisers are also choosing some line of audience like an age bracket that they're targeting through these streamers because they're likely to be the ones that are very much active.

It's part of the promotion of course they create a platform and they want to become a popular and become one of the top gamblers, some of the streamers promoting their page at the same time the organization paid them to use and have their demo gambling tokens. Of course there are people becomes biases in different factor to use their platforms we cannot blame them too hard to change the perspective of other people.

We can prevent ourselves from following them directly but we must search for the other data to know if those streamers are making fake bets or making the real bets. But when it comes to the internet, that will not be 100% real because we see many things already happen and many of them hard to know if that is real or fake. The streamers could be promoting their page to have more subscribers while giving interesting videos to the audience.

Except a few streamers, most of them only look for money. They can promote fake bets and fake sites if you give them money for promotion.
Anyways its our responsibility as to investigate before making any bets and do not blindly believe on the streamers on Twitch or YouTube.

it's hard to make a general rule in this case
some streamers probably care
some others probably don't

copywriters will say that people care only about themselves

we always had psychology impact from marketing in all kinds of ad styles, this is just getting more sophisticated with the use of pixels and advanced tracking systems that can predict what you want or implement desires you didn't have before.

Adblock is a must for surfing web 2.0 nowadays

A lot of things can easily manage to break online, like giving a fake age during the registration, it is more often possible as nobody asks your ID or KYC just to watch their Channel and streaming. As this online promotion become useful at this time and more attractive, many people were also falling into their promising words and it looks good to be true.

And that you're right, these promoters don't care about the others but just themselves. It is all about how much they get paid, not how much they help the people who are watching them. They might found it guilty but it was too late already.

This. That's why it's more of a problem really not on the streaming site but rather on the user themselves, Since let's say the streamers does indeed put the block, that's just on their side, if the user side wants to bypass it they easily can so it needs both parties really to adhere to the rules. Though I'd say rules are dead on the internet since, well, it's the internet. I'd really suggest that they just rather teach it themselves to their kids, better informed than ignorant since ignorance breeds curiosity after all, and would only lead to falling in deeper I say.

Ignorance leads you to false beliefs. You need to be careful following whatever you see on the internet. This example should serve as learning not to just blindly follow what the streamers are telling you, but instead make your own assessment and make sure that you fully understand all those things that you are watching.

Online have a lot to offer, getting curious is not a crime but a responsibility. You need to be held responsible in each action that you'll going to take.

Be informed and allow yourself to understand deeper.

As due to being fan of the streamer some of them too much support they are even supporting the platform promoting by the streamers and even though they didn't research how it use, the faqs and terms & conditions and read those important details how and what is the rule of the platform. This lead towards having mistakes and troubles to use their platform for their customer. Also, it's better if there's a guide by the streamer to their viewers and supports, of course, they are paid to promote they need to give a good reputation and image like helping their users or supporters.

well we'll find good people and bad people in ALL areas, everywhere
sometimes the situation is not obvious as well, or the person thinks they're doing good and they're not in reality, many possibilities

I could agree with you that the internet can be a bit like the wild west sometimes in terms of rules

Precisely! Those streamers should give ideas like with those viewers and supporters. It's very important to understand all the rules inside the house, though it should be gamblers responsibilities, but we also understand that there are many lazy gamblers who are not taking time in reading and understanding the house rules.

They will only concern about it when some problem already takes place and they need to coordinate their issue with the support team.

Better to know first and make sure that you really accept all those rules to avoid any unnecessary problem in the future.

Some startup casinos will give very interesting offers to make many more people play on their platform. And it may also influence us to think about whether the platform is legit or a scam.
We can see that most of them will give some certain bonuses that are very interesting and sweet as money.
They also sometimes add convincing things to make people believe in their new site by creating fake members that have been playing there and winning many bets and getting many bonuses.
But in fact, they need something when going to withdraw their rewards, such as having to deposit at a certain amount at first in order to be eligible to withdraw the reward and also other things required.
And this si what make sometimes us be suspicious of the platform.

When a new project appears on the market that has not yet been regulated, it almost always looks like in the wild west. See that even Bitcoin, which has been on the market for around 12 years, has still not been regulated. I think that this type of marketing campaign will also be regulated soon and it will all have to be official. It just takes a while longer for that.

The adblock is needed but when it comes to streaming, you can't block those sponsorships that the content creator that you're watching. Whatever the channel or video they have advertises, you just can't block them. It's a different type of advertisement that we can easily block if it's from the provider itself but if the advertisement is coming from the content creator alone and is include to his content then there's no way to block them unless you don't watch the person.

If I'm not wrong when you go with your own registered account, you need to pay taxes. For this reason many people prefer KYC free platforms. Most of the time these Kind of fake bets can be seen on the no KYC platforms. Until one is registered, they'll be provided with some small bonus requesting to complete KYC. These users at times suffer, as they won't be able to claim any issues. Fake bets were a way to make users do KYC, because users are now aware about the winning probabilities of different gambling platforms.

The most interesting thing is that many streamers advertise not only little-known gambling platforms but also known to many gamblers platforms with a huge number of negative reviews with evidence of fraud against them. I can understand a streamer who advertises little-known gaming platform for lack of information about it, but I will never understand a streamer who advertises scam!

When the intention is to earn money unfairly, anything is possible, don't doubt the ability of an influential person to do something to achieve their own benefits.
In a single video I've seen streamers posting speech bets on fraudulent sites, advertising links with referral code, earning from video platform advertising and in the end even selling some courses that "teach" their followers to make more profits with exclusive tips.
That is, they "shoot" to all sides, in order to get in one of these "shots" hit the target and get as much money as possible.

I believe that such streamers have no place in our society. It is a pity that at present there is no real working tool to limit their advertising activities, which bring losses to gullible subscribers. Apparently, until we ourselves begin to protect the interests of society as a whole, such advertising activities cannot be eradicated.   

Well, I think it is quite obvious, that if a website is going to not follow the law and find shady ways to do business, then its obvious they will be doing more things which are not trustworthy.

KYC is a bit of a double edged sword. It protects both the website owners and the people putting their money into that website. So if something goes wrong, its easy to prove whos money it was and who took it.

But then again, not everyone likes paying taxes or giving away private data.

Not giving private information is mostly the case from those people who don't want to process KYC, like what you have said, the process is a double-edge sword a good protection to assure that the site will be able to recognize all the transactions that you made, delays can also be avoided in case there's other unexpected concerns happened to you account.

I agree from a post above you, alluring other gambler to process KYC after seeing huge amount of bets from streamers. The implication is the site is good enough to handle those amounts.

It's still the gambler's obligation to deal with research before trusting any sites or follow any streamers.

Well I think only greed people can do this, they were very hungry for having money and even they are taking advantage of other people they still ignore this just because of the money. Streamers like this should be reported if they are using Youtube for their streamer or any social media like Facebook, fraudulent is a fraud and that is the way how they will fool people especially newbies that are most likely prone to this kind of scam.
It is not bad if a casino was very clever in having a marketing strategy but they should keep in mind the fairness of the player and tell the truth and not for having a fake bet and hire a professional liar streamer.

While I have also a problem with streamers like that at the same time we must remember that no one but ourselves is going to care about our money and the way we use it, it is obvious that kind of advertising strategy is predatory but if it exists it is because it works, so people need to find a way to protect themselves and not fall victim of such advertising, and in a way this is very easy to do, do not rely in advertising which is so obvious about its nature, instead try to look for sources that are as objective as possible, and one of the best places to obtain information like that is our forum.

you can always read the feedback these days. for sure, one or more followers will be unhappy with the streamer and give his true experience as feedback. i don't think everyone will just bow their heads and say yes. because at some points, some of these followers will be screwed by following their advise or tips. and i don't think they will just be silent about this. also, usually too-good-to-be-true results are really superficial. don't just believe what you are seeing because they can easily deceive you with their antics.

Of the three streaming sites, youtube, facebook and twitch; twitch is by far the least harmful.   Facebook was found recently to promote fake news and groups full of hatred because it maximizes earnings in their advertising.   Youtube sells the advert which has a non existent product, a cream that can fix life long scarring in 10 minutes of rubbing it on your skin or phishing scams are promotional activity youtube find most profitable to promote to all age ranges.   The company executives should be prosecuted for assisting in criminal activity, its far more negative then anything I've ever seen on twitch but people somehow want to rate gambling as worse then stealing.

That's why we must spread the words mate , there are still some gamblers or those who are just starting in this gambling world in which becoming the target of all these misleading businesses .
they will do everything for the sake of Money because gamblers is the best way or tools to profit from their End .
The more people they fooled is the more money will enter the casino and higher percentage for His referral links .

I don't believe that generating great commercials or promotions aren't misleading businesses; do you believe that your winnings will be decided by the platform? Of course, whether or not you win will still be determined by your luck. As long as the platform is profitable and fair to all of its users, I believe it is a prudent decision. In my opinion, fake bets from streams are simply adverts or promotions, and I'll still do my own research if the platform is truly good and not just based on an obvious promotion. I hope we can take something away from this; we should always learn to do research on whatever we come across.  ::)

The predatory advertising strategies like that only work because nobody is currently calling them out on it. We should have an accusation subforum for predators just like we have a subforum for scammers (aka scam accusations).

Once people start calling them out on their behaivor, we will see a huge change. But until then, we are stuck trying to get to the naive youngsters before they do.

I agree that if streamers are making promotional video of betting on behalf of a casino, there should be a notice. Viewers should know that the game they are watching has no risk of losing money. This should be regulated by law.
However, if you want to accuse these streamers of being scammers, what about casinos that order the recording of such videos? Are you accusing them of scam too? If so, you should announce it, for example, in the trust section of Roobet Bitcointalk profile.

Unfortunately yes, we can find them very easily in advertisements almost on most sites and platforms.
And many are also being trapped in the scam online casinos that are always offering very sweet interesting bonuses with easiness. That si why we must be careful when clicking or joining certain new sites that have no reputations.
And about the advertisement done by YouTubers or other figures, it may be consuming because sometimes they are quite popular but in fact, one of the sites that they are advertising is a scam. That is why we must also be careful when believing in some certain advertisements

Any form of prevention is good to reduce frauds made on inexperienced users. You will definitely never be able to eliminate scams in 100%.
However, when it comes to streamers who mislead by claiming that they are really playing with real money, and this is not true, it should be regulated by law. If it is not regulated then it is obvious that the casino is taking advantage of it.

Why it would need to be regulated by law? Laws are local to countries while the streams are broadcasted internationally then laws can't do anything IMHO. Only streaming platforms like Twitch can do something against that.

True and there would be only changes if there's a certain country would really gave out some legal issues towards the platform that had been used and thats the time regulatory responses would take place.

Fake bets or some deceptive activity is something casual on this market specially into those streamers but as a viewer/gambler then you arent really that dumb on not to notice that.
No one could be blamed but only yourself because you arent forced to play on the first place.

Probably it would be hard to introduce the same law everywhere, but I think regulations should be defined top-down. If such legal regulations were created, then stream distributors could be guided by them and introduce appropriate changes in rules on their platforms. It would also help to standardize these rules and ensure that there would be no "backdoors" in them. Of course, if the operators themselves did it, it would be much faster.

It seems you are not aware of the complete story, because streaming platforms like Twitch have already rules against that and are already fighting those kind of fake gambling shows. They don't tolerate these behaviours anymore.

As far as I know, Twitch wanted or wants to completely remove streamers who operate not only in the field of crypto gambling, but also cryptocurrencies in general (I may be wrong, but I will check it later).
I think that instead of combating this type of activity, it should be properly regulated by all platforms.
Better for them to stay regulated and ethically promote cryptocurrencies than for them to be removed.

Cryptocurrencies too? Where have you seen that? I'm not aware of that. I think cryptocurrencies are important for the platform because streamers can receive them. And big streamers like this platform because they can earn money there. So if they can't speak about cryptos they will certainly go elsewhere.

Those streamers may not realize it but what they are doing is dangerous, when we see an ad on television we have no possibility to interact with the person promoting the product and this is obviously even more true if we are taking about someone famous, but those people not only have big influence over their viewers, by interacting with them they can more easily convince them about buying or using the products they are promoting, which makes this a very effective way to market something and it makes even more insidious any kind of fake advertising.

I do not think that setting an age limit on the channel solves this problem because many children and teenagers watch YouTube without registration. They are gullible and very often try to get easy money. That's why I'm of the opinion that YouTube should tighten its policy for advertising fraud up to banning the channel without the possibility of restoring it. Only such measures will help clean up YouTube from promoting scams.

I dont really believe that they havent able to realize it because they arent dumb people on not to notice that one but simply they had just set aside those conscience for the sake of income or making money.

They wouldnt care if there would be someone who would believe on him and make some big bets and lost on the gambling site just because he had been interested? This is actually a self preferred kind of

decision on which people do make out and there's no one should be blamed off but only himself.As long the casino online that they've been dealing with is fair and safe then i dont see any issues.

the interesting thing is:
some things can't be regulated and regulation sometimes will hurt more than help

but I'd agree that in terms of online marketing things can get tricky and we should be paying attention to how people make ads, specially when it comes to ads for kids
it'll still be easier to regulate it on traditional media than online

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didn't see any news on twitch banning crypto related subjects too

Youtube is only very strict on plagiarism issues but when it comes to scam issues you have to report it and prove that it is a scam they are not going to do their own research just to check if the project or ads they are advertising are legit or fraud.

Youtube is an open channel even a porn site and gambling review sites and Ponzi schemes can open without an issue at all and they will only get taken down if they are proven that they are giving false information and scamming people

I agree, while young people normally have less experience of life, sometimes they are simply born astute, while others are not. And it also works differently in different aspects of life, for example, someone may be a very accomplished professional on some aspects of life and even be a tough negotiator, but then be quite gullible on regards to personal relations or gaming. Age is not determinant.

age is definitely not determinant
it's also interesting to observe how we usually value/categorize intelligence as memorizing skill and ability to recall facts or interconnect ideas but forget that there are many other kinds of intelligence like kinetic/movement intelligence, emotional intelligence, audition/musical intelligence, so forth and so on

I believe this is to just for compliance because there are many kids who watch videos on YouTube but do not sign up or simply state that they are 18 years old. It's not that strict; it's just to ensure that they follow the rules. They are banning those scams or frauds, but not as quickly as they are copyright issues and plagiarism. I'm not sure why, but they still need to act. There are a lot of videos out there right now that promote scams and have a lot of views. We can't do anything about it, but we can be cautious.

We can report it up and hope that the team behind those streaming sites will act as quick as they can, there are indeed many scamming activities inside this platform and I agree also that they are quicker to ban or to give streamers plagiarism case than taking those scamming account down. If you do care about yourself or someone from your family better to keep an eye on what activities they are involved, better to quick fast than being sorry after.

Fake bets from streamers attract attentions from viewers who wanted to experience same luck. The problem with that, they've been alluring and being led to gambling sites where they are unsure if they are safe to play.

I do not think they are going to care that much if we did something like that, those streamers are extremely shielded by their fans so instead of seeing that we are trying to help them those naive people are going to think that we are haters that are attacking the streamer for no reason at all, I know it sounds ridiculous but most likely this is what it would happen as in the eyes of their fans the streamers cannot do anything wrong, after all if they cannot see this is wrong then we need to wonder how many things are promoted in those channels that are just as shady.

I think regulating through Law isn't that bad if the commission's government take is low so the casino can set low House edge, But we know that's not how it works.

Government is greedy and will likely take as many possible commissions as it can from the Gambling company.
Well for Twitch there are streamers that are warning their users by putting 18+ in those streams but we also know that things don't work that way.
Children don't like to follow the rules at least not the majority of them so that 18+ in gambling live streams aren't doing much Unless there's a verification system on twitch accounts that doesn't allow kids to watch 18+ streams is a good idea.

Marketing tricks like this have started to appear a lot, not only gambling sites but also binary platforms using these tricks.  surely some people have fallen into their trap, nowadays when we see an influencer playing on their account we have to be more observant to see which is just the marketing/advertising part to attract and which they are really playing.

You are absolutely right and the truth is that it is a subject of great intensity when it comes to advertising and when children have access to it, although parents are responsible when it comes to what their children see online, also all this It results from the type of regulation that can take advantage of it. In Twitch they have not removed any ban on online games and the truth is I do not think they do, now they are more popular thanks to games.

There will always be ways to negotiate when it comes to marketing, and those who can bother the most with this are the governments and entities associated with it, but in the end it all comes down to a business model.

That's the purpose of advertising, to tell white lies about it so people would use it (either a product or a service) by paying influencers to promote it even though the influencers doesn't even really use their products. They only do such marketing because in that way, they could easily persuade people to appreciate their products and make a huge sale.

In YouTube, there's a notification or warning if a video is not suitable for young people like below the legal age. I think it's the parent's responsibility to always watch their children's activities online.

The youtuber Coffeezilla has great videos about this topic.
Unfortunately marketing is 99% deceiving and dishonest.I'm not talking about gambling marketing.
The entire marketing industry is full of lies and deceptions.
I'm not sure that advertising gambling games and casinos is even allowed on Youtube and Twitch.
If it's allowed,then maybe it's time for Youtube and Twitch to step up and regulate all the  advertising of casinos and gambling activities,which happens on their platforms.
The gambling industry is heavily regulated on most countries in the world,and at the same time,gambling advertising is allowed on big platforms,without any restrictions.
I'm OK with gambling ads and promotions,as long as they are honest and not deceiving.

Yes, it is. But the young people can skip or continue watching the video without their parents or adult people around them knowing. It is hard to control young people to avoid that thing as they can watch it alone in their rooms and not tell anyone except their friends.

That can attract them to follow the bets from those videos without knowing that they are fake. We already see many young people's getting deeper into gambling games and the sad part is their parents does not know their activity and only know after they have a heavy gambling addiction.

Not only for kids, even adults are sometimes get enticed by the influencers, but this is the reality, it's the life of a gambler, you either follow, fade or make your own analysis. There's a risk but if you keep making mistakes and you did not adjust, that means you should not gamble as it's not for you.

I also do remember LL Stylish promoting Stake on his twitch while playing league of legends. I'm not against it but he should've considered his audience which is under 18 mostly and he had over 10,000 Viewers at the moment that advert went online, Not counting his Youtube video containing the same Ad had over 200,000 Views, Casinos can't be blamed for it if the will power of people running streams isn't strong and they're easy to give in to these temptations.

most of the people are not immune for cognitive biases and marketing triggers
most common ones we see are urgency and scarcity
people use it all the time, and they work

even the gambling websites with leaderboards, contests, so forth and so on

I have to admit that a pro influencer can tempt people to follow their suggestion because those influencers play with their word pretend that will happen to people if they use the advice from the influencer. But a wise gambler will not do that easily as they will have knowledge and skills to analyze what they need to do after watching the influencer video. They do not have just to follow but think more about the risk and other things.