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Title: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Saisher on June 04, 2022, 02:46:28 PM
It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Wiwo on June 04, 2022, 02:51:15 PM
Sometimes I van stop to wonder how the outcome of the final result of games, I have had hard match-fixing before but I can't tell if that is possible in all games. Sports games can easily be predicted and what makes them predictable will make room for some sort of fixing any way their all gamble the outcome is always based on luck.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: acroman08 on June 04, 2022, 03:04:45 PM
there are times that it is too obvious but no, not really, but it does always makes me wonder sometimes and suspicious when a referee or a player/athlete makes too many questionable decisions and plays or sometimes in football when an audience tries to interfere with the game by running on the field during the game. I don't know, maybe I am just overthinking but I just can't help wondering.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: joeperry on June 04, 2022, 03:24:46 PM
I am not really sure whether you can tell it is a fix or not but I think it is more likely happen in underdog matches or matches that is not really popular to the people. You can't see or tell it not unless an insider give you information about it. I am not also aware about the services that gives info about fix matches.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: bitbollo on June 04, 2022, 03:28:18 PM
the best way to understand if an event is fixed ... is to look at the odds! In Italy this happens a couple of time also in Serie A with "correct score" betting.
As soon as you see a completely out of market odd (lower/higher than normal) on an outcome that has yet to occur, you are clearly facing a fixed match. Personally I don't bet in such event or such odds because "it's not clear" what it's going on...


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: dothebeats on June 04, 2022, 03:28:38 PM
I can't really tell on major sporting events though, and I only base my 'accusations' on the patterns that everyone who dug deep enough saw. Most of the time they are right, and even gets the correct outcome of the game down to the last score but it could also be just luck. I mainly spot match fixing events on Dota 2 tier 2/3, especially on the Chinese region where this practice is still rampant. Lost too many bets in trying to get that single win on Chinese qualifiers and tier 2/3 events, and have since avoided events on that region and on that tier like the plague.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Yogee on June 04, 2022, 03:33:49 PM
Too many misses on easily makable shots like an open lay up in basketball or anything that's out of the ordinary are some of the signs that it could be rigged. Some teams intentionally try to lose or lower their score. You may witness some of those in your local leagues where some gambling "gang" can influence the outcome of the game.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Saisher on June 04, 2022, 04:01:14 PM
Too many misses on easily makable shots like an open lay up in basketball or anything that's out of the ordinary are some of the signs that it could be rigged. Some teams intentionally try to lose or lower their score. You may witness some of those in your local leagues where some gambling "gang" can influence the outcome of the game.

That's true players have a bad night but if you are also playing basketball you know what is an intentional miss to a real missed, I have witnessed that myself, and sometimes a guy who is not good at shooting outside like the three-point arc, suddenly takes most of the shot in that range, these two are so obvious, the referee may not see that but if you are a follower of that team you can easily tell it.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: gabbie2010 on June 04, 2022, 04:12:35 PM
Poor goalkeeping by conceding cheap goals by the goalkeeper and players intentionally rough tackling their opponents to get sent out or redcarded thus to enable their opponent had more players advantage which result to conceding goals are some signs of match fixing, atimes players might not play to their optimum level, in some cases when the referee had been compromised he will award a cheap and questionable penalty, or sent a player off over a minor infringement, now VAR will curb that partiality, most of this abnormally might be done unnoticeably.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: serjent05 on June 04, 2022, 04:22:43 PM
This video is one good example of a fixed fight in boxing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGw5dwdbwwk

And here is a documentary of How BOXING Fights Are FIXED (SHOCKING) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GE5u9LwS-4)

In sports, a fixed game can be observed by how the referee reacts and calls the play.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Peanutswar on June 04, 2022, 04:26:00 PM
Mostly you can notice the match is fixed if the player is intentionally not doing its role like in basketball they miss the shot, in boxing they miss the punch or too slow, in a horse race, the rider makes the horse not conditionally well prepared, and more, of course, you are a fan of the game you want to bet and there are a lot of people who wants their player wins and there's a possible under the table transactions that might affect also the other bettors, but of course if you don't have a power too you cant do anything about match fixings.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: coin-investor on June 04, 2022, 10:09:49 PM
Mostly you can notice the match is fixed if the player is intentionally not doing its role like in basketball they miss the shot, in boxing they miss the punch or too slow, in a horse race, the rider makes the horse not conditionally well prepared, and more, of course, you are a fan of the game you want to bet and there are a lot of people who wants their player wins and there's a possible under the table transactions that might affect also the other bettors, but of course if you don't have a power too you cant do anything about match fixings.

I agree if you are keen on details and you know players and participants and their statistics and have seen them play many times you expect the same performance in every game, but if you see something like intentionally missing the shot and intentionally making mistakes then there's something wrong if a player is having a bad night the coaching staff will replace him but if they insist that he stay on the court, then there's a possibility that even the staff is participating in fixing the game.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: TimeTeller on June 04, 2022, 10:15:41 PM
Mostly you can notice the match is fixed if the player is intentionally not doing its role like in basketball they miss the shot, in boxing they miss the punch or too slow, in a horse race, the rider makes the horse not conditionally well prepared, and more, of course, you are a fan of the game you want to bet and there are a lot of people who wants their player wins and there's a possible under the table transactions that might affect also the other bettors, but of course if you don't have a power too you cant do anything about match fixings.

I agree if you are keen on details and you know players and participants and their statistics and have seen them play many times you expect the same performance in every game, but if you see something like intentionally missing the shot and intentionally making mistakes then there's something wrong if a player is having a bad night the coaching staff will replace him but if they insist that he stay on the court, then there's a possibility that even the staff is participating in fixing the game.

I have read several stories in basketball. You can easily spot the game fixing if you are very familiar with the members of the team.
Because you will know if they are not in their normal performance and just throwing the game.
Usually, it is because of the big bets involved. When it comes to boxing, you can also see it how the boxer is doing his punches inside the ring.
If you are an enthusiast of a particular sports, spotting the unusual movements of their players would be easy.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Ratash on June 04, 2022, 10:18:51 PM
Sometimes when i watch football i wonder how a profesional player can miss a goal with an empty net or a reefery decision of canceling a goal when the goal seems legit after a VAR review not only in football but in sports in general i think match fixing is a possibility especially since gambling is a billion dollars industry.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Jating on June 04, 2022, 10:20:17 PM
It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

Well if you see that when your superstar is not playing his usual self, then maybe you can tell that he deliberately taking a dive and wanted to lose the game in any purpose. So I will say there are tall tale signs that it is fixed. Could be different at first, but you know when sports bookies notice some swing of bets, that's where the investigations starts specially in basketball, wherein what they call point-shaving. There was one player caught with it and his career was over.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stevin_Smith


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: qwertyup23 on June 04, 2022, 10:30:13 PM
It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

There are some external signs that may indicate that a game has undergone "game fixing."

I remember, there was a basketball event held in the Philippines where players should have been competitive with each other. Unfortunately, during the 2nd quarter and onwards, the players just started scrambling; turnovers and pointless shots were made. It is like, no effort has been made at all. This was very surprising given that the team that threw the game played well in their previous games.

If you guys are curious, here is the YouTube link for you to judge and watch it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc9QCbO5Ph8&t=8s


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Baofeng on June 04, 2022, 11:10:51 PM
Yes, like in horse racing for instance, I personally know a lot of jockeys back in the days and they said they can make the horse not win and fix the outcome if the owners says so. What they do though is the obvious, if the horse is known to go on the front at the starting gate, the jockey will simply place them behind and then they will do just leisure holding, meaning they are not going to push the horse unless they are closer in the finish line. Or they will loosely, just hold the saddle and then pace the horse, in short break the horse rhythm or at least not play with the horse strengths.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: robelneo on June 04, 2022, 11:51:07 PM
It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

There are some external signs that may indicate that a game has undergone "game fixing."

I remember, there was a basketball event held in the Philippines where players should have been competitive with each other. Unfortunately, during the 2nd quarter and onwards, the players just started scrambling; turnovers and pointless shots were made. It is like, no effort has been made at all. This was very surprising given that the team that threw the game played well in their previous games.

If you guys are curious, here is the YouTube link for you to judge and watch it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc9QCbO5Ph8&t=8s
It's obviously fixed and they are not good at hiding it, usually, game-fixing appears in the late minute of the quarter or rounds they excite people and make it appear that they are into the game and very competitive until the time that they are going to fix the game, sometimes they discuss on how to hide it, they don't just lose interest and misses opportunities to make points if they do that its already a giveaway and they will be questioned for their action or lack of action.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Rabi3 on June 04, 2022, 11:58:10 PM
It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.
I didn't know that a lot of people here believe that at least some matches in sports are fixed, I don't fell alone and crazy, I've been trying to find a way to spot a fixed match and what is fixed about it but it's hard, very hard, there are plenty of things they can rig and not just the result, but I noticed something while watching the match of Italy vs Spain in Euro semi finals, when they reached the penalty shootouts after a draw, every player and fans should be stressed at that moment, but the camera showed Chiellini laughing and picking up jordi alba for some reason and Alba was having none of that with straight bothered face, it looked like Chiellini he was celebrating when he was supposed to be stressed in a semi final not knowing who's gonna win, I ran to my room and grabbed my phone and placed a bet on them, and of course I won.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: harizen on June 04, 2022, 11:59:34 PM
It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

Not until there's news that a certain event was rigged, confirmed, and proven to be true, that's the time we can make it an official rigged game.

But if there's a game that you think was rigged and no issues raised on that match, then just keep it to yourself claiming it's really rigged.

That really happened but I doubt it's the always case we can see especially in Big and International Leagues.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Despairo on June 05, 2022, 03:05:12 AM
I wouldn't think a fight or event is fixed if it's a big match against two strong fighter/club that really want to become a champion. I mostly watch a football match and I don't think it's a fixed match because it doesn't make sense if he want to lose for money, AFAIK they already got a huge paycheck and full of endorsement. It's will different with boxing, mma and such similar sports, they fix the match by cherry pick a weak fighter.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: goldkingcoiner on June 05, 2022, 03:34:14 AM
It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.
There is indeed a possibility that any match or game is fixed. Just because the tiny unrealistic possibility exists does not merit any realistic concern of having it fixed. I mean, everyone wants to know if a match is fixed. But who is going to tell anyone the truth? And furthermore it's a huge risk to take, the larger the match is.

Now some tiny, underground shady match might definitely be fixed. But you should be able to listen to your gut..



Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Poker Player on June 05, 2022, 04:10:26 AM
I can't tell but what I am quite sure of is that the more important the competition and the teams, the more unlikely it is that someone will let himself be sold. An NBA match between the Heats and the Celtics is very unlikely to be fixed. The Champions League final between Real Madrid and Liverpool the same. Now, a match between two Italian Serie B soccer teams is not so unlikely.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: blatchcorn on June 05, 2022, 04:19:21 AM
I am a cricket enthusiastic so can say about cricket, yes if you know cricket then you can tell easily that a match is fixed or not. For instance, the Recent Indian Premier League 2022 was completely fixed. I am not the one who is saying this alone in fact majority of people who understand cricket can easily say that after seeing the outcome of matches.
BJP Leader Alleges IPL 2022 Was ‘Rigged’, Slams ‘De Facto Dictator Of BCCI’ Jay Shah (https://www.mensxp.com/sports/cricket/108883-ipl2022-fixed-alleges-bjp-leader-slams-bcci-dictator-jay-shah.html)


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: worle1bm on June 05, 2022, 05:25:51 AM
There are these sort of fixing in most of the games where they see lot of bets would be there say for million of dollars so the outcome of these matches is totally the opposite of what it might seems to you.We can feel it to some extent that they are losing intentionally or not if you are associated with the particular game from long but can't do anything about it but still think there should be fair play.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Jawhead999 on June 05, 2022, 05:30:53 AM
I consider a fixed match when I see the boxer show poor performance while he have fought many good boxers before. It doesn't make sense how the boxer almost didn't doing anything and only run away like worried to get punched, it's a boring and for sure he will lose. Do you think a boxer that fight in the ring doesn't want to win? What does his purpose then? for money behind the agreement.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: cabron on June 05, 2022, 05:33:07 AM
I think I have read it here also in the forum since someone mentioned it about mafia thing which in boxing, if the referee is wearing an ear piece,  he could be listening to instructions from the mafia guys. And when we say mafia guys, it includes the promotion and their boxing trainers.

I can't be too sure for this but there were sports match fixers talking about it in youtube. The possibility that its them conspiring each other and its  a matter of team work too. No thugs among them.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: UmerIdrees on June 05, 2022, 06:12:44 AM
It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

I usually watch cricket and in that sport sometimes we can judge that the match is fixed if the strong team is behaving abnormally and showing bad performances. I understand that any good team can loss on any given day but the body language of the players sometimes tell you that the players are losing the match as if they have fixed it. Still no one can be 100% sure if the match was fixed or not.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: ethereumhunter on June 05, 2022, 06:26:41 AM
I don't think about whether the match or fight is fixed or going on normally because all I want is to bet and watch the game. Maybe it could be that the game is fixed by people who want their team or players to win but I don't think about it. If you keep thinking about the fixed match, you will not enjoy the game and will only think about it. We will never know for sure because the people who set the match will hide it from the public.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: ralle14 on June 05, 2022, 07:39:32 AM
I mostly watch and bet on popular events and even when they make the weirdest mistakes that could quickly shift the momentum of the game it's still difficult to tell at a glance unless there are other ways to confirm it's fixed so I have to say no. Also from what i've seen these cases tend to happen in the lower leagues which I usually avoid as I don't want to get involved in those leagues as a sports bettor. Even in esports I remember some of the casters mentioned that fixing frequently happens on certain regions but it's tough to catch them since there's no evidence to back them up.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Darker45 on June 05, 2022, 01:09:20 PM
I can only suspect, but cannot conclude right away that the match or game is fixed. It is actually hard. But it is easy to spot questionable moves or decisions. But these moves or decisions could actually be due to a lot of factors like pressure, strategy, injury, panic, and many others.

The latest fixed games that I remember watching was a regional basketball game and a Southeast Asia DOTA match. The very bad moves were so obviously intentional that you could really suspect something fishy could be going on behind them. But even so, there were still formal investigations launched, which officially declared the matches rigged. Punishments were then imposed.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: cryptomaniac_xxx on June 05, 2022, 01:17:36 PM
We always question when a team or a athlete performance suddenly turns into bad and we always think that maybe it was fixed and it was deliberate. But then it is just our own conclusions and we don't know if it is true or not unless the organizations confirmed what we have suspected in the beginning. But I would say that many has been caught including a referee in a professional league, - NBA because he was addicted to sports betting.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: goaldigger on June 05, 2022, 01:24:15 PM
It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.
Hard to tell and most probably, they will not show it to the public since it can ruin their reputation. Maybe in Boxing you can tell if the match is fixed or not especially with those retired boxer and then suddenly came back with a match against Youtuber, that's an obvious fixed matches for me and you should already know where to place your bet.
I just wonder if all the players in team sports are in favor to this kind of fixed game or matches because it can also happen to Basketball or even on a football, there must be a huge price for this so they can accept the offer under the table. Everything is possible nowadays as long as you have the money to pay for it, you can imagine big things here. 


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: wxa7115 on June 05, 2022, 06:48:13 PM
It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.
This is very difficult to identify by just watching the event but there have been cases in which there have been very high suspicions that something was going during the match.

One of the most obvious examples of this was during the 1978 World Cup which took place at Argentina, Argentina needed to beat Peru by at least 4 goals if they wanted to reach the final of the tournament, at that time the format was different than the current format, and they won 6-0, even at the time there were very strong accusations against Argentina that the match was fixed and quite honestly I think the accusations are legitimate, however this is an exception since it is almost impossible to tell if a match has been fixed or not without an ongoing investigation from the authorities.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Mahanton on June 05, 2022, 07:58:19 PM
It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.
Fixed matches or rigged ones do really exist but this is something that you can tell on point because one thing you do have in mind is about coincidences and also if you do know or have hunches that
is is fixed then what you would gonna do? Fixed matches do played on a very non obvious manner or something that not fans could able to see it obviously which means that identifying
that its rigged then its really a hard thing to be done but with basing with our personal opinions specially if our team is losing then this is a common behavior.
Upsets do happen on any game or any sports that we do have.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: BitcoinAccepted on June 05, 2022, 09:12:56 PM
It depends. You can also have events and competitions that have been manipulated on a small scale, fixed bets have also come into the picture but won't stand out because the volume of bets is low. If you end up in higher divisions, it is not surprising if a lot of money is bet. Then it will also be less noticeable if people bet a lot of money. And what is also essential is the type of market. Taking a yellow card can be paid a lot for it, and can be hard to prove because anyone can get it.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Fatunad on June 05, 2022, 09:17:59 PM
It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.
You cant tell or able to say that its fixed because if they are really doing it then it would be on non or almost non noticeable and just been said
above that once they get caught they their reputation would be fucked up and they do know on whats on stake if they are really planning to
have a rigged game.Therefore, spotting out on point is something almost impossible until the end of the game.You might really feel that there's
something wrong or felt off but we know that every game does have those possibilities of sudden u-turn of events.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Spack17 on June 05, 2022, 09:22:26 PM
No one can say that we can definitely understand. What cannot be proven cannot be said to be true. However, I think that there are match-fixing competitions in every sport. Of course, this cannot be the case in the Champions League final or the NBA final. However, apart from the lower league competitions of the countries, match-fixing can occur in the champions league and group matches.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Viscore on June 05, 2022, 09:27:07 PM
It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.
I sometimes observe it too and can't help but feeling upset because the game turns to be so odd to watch. Not just in sports but i also think that even in lottery too, the results are already fixed. Although they always tell the viewers that the numbers are randomly picked but it seems to me those numbers are already predicted. That is why most of the jackpot winners came from the main region or in which the main branch is built. Just my own thought.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Ulven on June 05, 2022, 09:39:10 PM
Mostly you can notice the match is fixed if the player is intentionally not doing its role like in basketball they miss the shot or even scoring baskets, football’s striker fails to score and so on. Other way to check it that some of players are deliberately playing bad by getting low in their playing stats which is often seen only in slumps or slump periods!!!   in the domestic league Match-fixing is basically a game plan that the players, coaches, referees and sometimes managers prepared in order to win or lose a game or even part of the game.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: virasog on June 06, 2022, 01:10:01 PM
No one can say that we can definitely understand. What cannot be proven cannot be said to be true. However, I think that there are match-fixing competitions in every sport. Of course, this cannot be the case in the Champions League final or the NBA final. However, apart from the lower league competitions of the countries, match-fixing can occur in the champions league and group matches.

Match fixing  is usually done in matches where one team is very strong and the other team is very weak and somehow out of expectation the weaker teams wins.
The matches in which two equal calibre teams are playing, it's hard to predict if the match was fixed or not.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Vaskiy on June 06, 2022, 01:36:11 PM
No one can say that we can definitely understand. What cannot be proven cannot be said to be true. However, I think that there are match-fixing competitions in every sport. Of course, this cannot be the case in the Champions League final or the NBA final. However, apart from the lower league competitions of the countries, match-fixing can occur in the champions league and group matches.

Match fixing  is usually done in matches where one team is very strong and the other team is very weak and somehow out of expectation the weaker teams wins.
The matches in which two equal calibre teams are playing, it's hard to predict if the match was fixed or not.
Nowadays match fixing have decreased much compared to the past. These days match fixing might be happening within the club level games. Recently saw an user posting a match as fixed on our forum and suggested to go for the odds. I didn't took into consideration, but as he said the results came accordingly. I don't know whether it is a coincidence or really a fixed match. As said when two equal teams play it is hard to find it is a fixed match.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Smartprofit on June 06, 2022, 01:41:43 PM
It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

I usually identify a fake (fixed) boxing match. 

I look at the expression on the faces of the boxers.  It's called physiognomy.  In fixed matches, boxers behave unnaturally.  They look like theater actors, not athletes.  In a real fight, athletes experience a feeling of rage.  They want to defeat their opponents. 

These emotions are reflected on their faces.  In fictitious (contractual) battles, fighters experience a feeling of disappointment and annoyance. 

In fact, they imitate a fight.  They think about money, not about winning.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: swogerino on June 06, 2022, 02:02:53 PM
In a fighting event between two humans if there is a fix it can be easily detected as there are only two actors.You know where you cannot easily tell no matter how hard you try,it is in soccer games where 22 players plus 4 referees are the actors of that game.How many games we have seen the stronger team attacking and only attacking,making a lot of near misses,hit the post and so on and in the last minute of the game they concede a goal and lose the game.Personally and this is just a personal opinion I think these kind of games are rigged as they are repeated cases,it does not happen just once,we have seen a lot of such matches.

The only sport which cannot be rigged in my opinion is Formula 1 and MotoGP,the sportsmen there are risking their lives with extreme speeds so I find it highly unlikely that rigging to take place in such sports and that is why the biggest amount of money and bets I always make them in F1.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: acroman08 on June 06, 2022, 02:26:26 PM
This video is one good example of a fixed fight in boxing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGw5dwdbwwk
the first clip was so hard and extremely cringy to watch, I've seen that video before and remember that in the comments on the video they were making fun of the guy. I Mean it was clear that the match was rigged especially with those punches. I won't be surprised if the guy with the fake muscles was the one who paid to organise that match.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Fredomago on June 06, 2022, 02:38:09 PM
No one can say that we can definitely understand. What cannot be proven cannot be said to be true. However, I think that there are match-fixing competitions in every sport. Of course, this cannot be the case in the Champions League final or the NBA final. However, apart from the lower league competitions of the countries, match-fixing can occur in the champions league and group matches.

Match fixing  is usually done in matches where one team is very strong and the other team is very weak and somehow out of expectation the weaker teams wins.
The matches in which two equal calibre teams are playing, it's hard to predict if the match was fixed or not.

And with that scenarios, game-fixers/mafias will mostly target the game that has balanced competitions. It will save their butts not too easily being recognized by those gamblers who seek to ride with game fixing events. Inside sports gambling, there are always possibilities that the game is manipulated.

Hard to say, especially if those actors are already mastered by what they are doing, it seems so normal for them

when they are doing the fix.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: virasisog on June 06, 2022, 02:43:07 PM
I'm not good at determining if the event is fixed but there were a few matches that I watched where I couldn't stop wondering how the match result went out. It's specifically on the boxing field and their facial expressions seemed too rehearsed. I couldn't blame them if that's their way of making bigger money. The disappointment only begins if their acting is too obvious.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Hydrogen on June 06, 2022, 05:13:20 PM
When I was more serious about gambling I studied history of past cases where leagues admitted games were rigged.

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From the archives: How former ref Tim Donaghy conspired to fix NBA games

Editor's note: This two-year investigation, which revealed how disgraced referee Tim Donaghy conspired to fix NBA games, whom he did it with and the millions of dollars that flowed from the conspiracy, was originally published on Feb. 19, 2019. July 9 is the anniversary of Donaghy's resignation from the NBA.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25980368/how-former-ref-tim-donaghy-conspired-fix-nba-games

It also helps to study the process by which odds are set and how the industry approaches things.

I think its safe to say some core foundational knowledge is necessary before a person can have a good enough grasp of things to say whether games are rigged.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Oasisman on June 06, 2022, 05:26:24 PM
It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

There's no way you can determine accurately If the game or match is fixed, but you can suspect when something is not right that's happening.
In a basketball (local and national) match I have seen a lot of suspected game fixing match, but they get away with it because of lack of evidence. I know something in basketball when they try to rig a game, they have to either intentionally cover or not to cover the point spread, or intentionally let the other team win regardless of how strong the favourite team is.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Gianluca95 on June 06, 2022, 05:28:51 PM
There were some matches that I've seen in Soccer that has thaught to me that were fixed.

For what?

- Players doesn't score, also in very easy occasion.

- Players spent too time to pass the ball, instead to coordinate attack/defense action.


I remember 2 years Ago, Napoli-Verona which ends with results 1-1. Take a look at that match and let me know if that were fixed or not.



Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Fortify on June 06, 2022, 07:38:08 PM
It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

There are some events that are so blatant that you can detect cheating, but they will tend to be low level games and possibly even involve both sides trying to play a particular way (e.g. very badly). Besides that it can be very difficult to definitively prove that cheating is taking place unless you're able to investigate the paper trail or catch the match fixers proposing it directly. The bookmakers will be able to see unusual betting behavior and possibly take action, but unless they have proof it is unlikely they'll do much except ban the person from placing any more bets or cap them at such a low level as to make it pointless. As it could effectively end someones career if detected or suspected, the players involved are going to want substantial sums upfront, which means the cheat has to pay off quite big to make it worthwhile.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Sirait on June 06, 2022, 07:48:31 PM
if you mention cheating in sports matches then we can't know for sure because cheating will always exist. there was once a big fuss where the match-fixing mafia controlled one of the big leagues and made a lot of people lose especially the gamblers (because they controlled the final outcome of matches). without proof then we can't think that many sports matches are not a fix matches.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Boristhecat on June 06, 2022, 08:35:55 PM
There are some events that are so blatant that you can detect cheating, but they will tend to be low level games and possibly even involve both sides trying to play a particular way (e.g. very badly). Besides that it can be very difficult to definitively prove that cheating is taking place unless you're able to investigate the paper trail or catch the match fixers proposing it directly. The bookmakers will be able to see unusual betting behavior and possibly take action, but unless they have proof it is unlikely they'll do much except ban the person from placing any more bets or cap them at such a low level as to make it pointless. As it could effectively end someones career if detected or suspected, the players involved are going to want substantial sums upfront, which means the cheat has to pay off quite big to make it worthwhile.

Bookmakers, if they suspect the game of dishonesty, simply cancel bets on this event - they simply return the money. They don't have to prove anything, go to court, etc. these are the rules of the betting business, and by the way, they don't even have to watch the game to analyze it for fraud - if they see that an unusual number of bets are being placed on this event, this is enough justification for them to take action.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: mm2543363580 on June 06, 2022, 09:50:58 PM
It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.
I tried to predict - but my prediction went wrong most of times.
I used to make  sports bet - but unfortunately - I always made a wrong choice - so I thought to stop doing it - because it was a complete loss.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Tellek Garing on June 06, 2022, 09:55:25 PM
Because of match-fixing that is why must football matches cant be predicted, and if there is a systematic fixing of game one will it be hard to predict the outcome.

And again it is not easy to know if a game is fixed and most tournaments have a law against it even though that still happens.
 


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: michellee on June 07, 2022, 06:16:25 AM
Because of match-fixing that is why must football matches cant be predicted, and if there is a systematic fixing of game one will it be hard to predict the outcome.

And again it is not easy to know if a game is fixed and most tournaments have a law against it even though that still happens.
 
Maybe that's true, but we spectators will not know whether it is match-fixing or running normally. I think we can just leave the game as it is and we better enjoy the game. That will allow us to watch the entertainment we want instead of just thinking about match-fixing.

Only a few people will know whether it is match-fixing or not. And if you place a bet for a specific group, then be careful and get all the necessary information to guess which team or player can win.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: bittraffic on June 07, 2022, 06:43:04 AM
Because of match-fixing that is why must football matches cant be predicted, and if there is a systematic fixing of game one will it be hard to predict the outcome.

And again it is not easy to know if a game is fixed and most tournaments have a law against it even though that still happens.
 
Maybe that's true, but we spectators will not know whether it is match-fixing or running normally. I think we can just leave the game as it is and we better enjoy the game. That will allow us to watch the entertainment we want instead of just thinking about match-fixing.

Only a few people will know whether it is match-fixing or not. And if you place a bet for a specific group, then be careful and get all the necessary information to guess which team or player can win.

There may have been instances that the fixing is very obvious like the example above where a strong team is matched to a weaker team. This is probably true but is probably why there are handicap betting to negate this issues when it comes to bookies.

But I would certainly believe there are referees that favors their favorite team. Everybody roots when there is a game even the referee.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: michellee on June 07, 2022, 10:19:06 AM
Because of match-fixing that is why must football matches cant be predicted, and if there is a systematic fixing of game one will it be hard to predict the outcome.

And again it is not easy to know if a game is fixed and most tournaments have a law against it even though that still happens.
 
Maybe that's true, but we spectators will not know whether it is match-fixing or running normally. I think we can just leave the game as it is and we better enjoy the game. That will allow us to watch the entertainment we want instead of just thinking about match-fixing.

Only a few people will know whether it is match-fixing or not. And if you place a bet for a specific group, then be careful and get all the necessary information to guess which team or player can win.

There may have been instances that the fixing is very obvious like the example above where a strong team is matched to a weaker team. This is probably true but is probably why there are handicap betting to negate this issues when it comes to bookies.

But I would certainly believe there are referees that favors their favorite team. Everybody roots when there is a game even the referee.

I once saw a referee who seemed to be defending a strong team and always trying to punish a weak team and that happened a few years ago. The audience protested by shouting to change the referee but the match continued until the end. And luckily, the weak team survived and was able to show their strength. That weak team can continue and finally gets supported by a crowd that was already displeased with the referee.

That's one of the real examples in the game and I think there are many more that we've seen before.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Wexnident on June 07, 2022, 12:05:54 PM
We can tell if something is wrong with the judgments of the referees or players, but I think there's no actual way for us to tell whether a fight is fixed unless the players and referees come clean with it. I mean, I can always assume that the team I like that keeps getting called out has a rigged match since well, they keep getting called out, but in reality, it may just be me being blind and the team indeed made actual mistakes worth calling out. But yea, it can be easy to see if something's really wrong with the match after maybe half of the match.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: carlisle1 on June 07, 2022, 12:14:01 PM
Because of match-fixing that is why must football matches cant be predicted, and if there is a systematic fixing of game one will it be hard to predict the outcome.

And again it is not easy to know if a game is fixed and most tournaments have a law against it even though that still happens.
 


Even there's a law against this kind of act, if the actors are good no one can detect the fixing that's ongoing. Most of the time, this kind of

manipulation is being done not just by the single team or player, it's been orchestrated, including the officials, mafias are everywhere

and they are spending huge amount of money to get the results that they are looking, it's not easy to and prove even you think a game

is being fixed,.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Gozie51 on June 07, 2022, 12:35:07 PM
It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

To go straight to it, you didn't mention wrestling lol. For wrestling I hardly believe it to be real because of the whole structure of it. It makes it look like pure entertainment and not a sporting competition. I don't know wrestling is considered a sport but it looks all organized in my eyes. And another game is soccer but it is not clear though except when the league is ending then you can suspect that when big players are dropped and those on the pitch keep losing clear chances or goal keepers making mess of balls they could confidently stop.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: ChiBitCTy on June 07, 2022, 12:38:16 PM
It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

Unless you’re on the inside of the event fixing, I really don’t think we can tell when something is fixed, regardless of how bad officiating may be. I think human officiating is pretty bad all around, so just because a referee is making a bunch of bad calls, I still don’t think that ever tells us anything. Too hard to tell is my opinion.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: danherbias07 on June 07, 2022, 12:51:45 PM
Only after the game, you will start to question what happened. If it's fixed or not. But during a game especially at the start of it, there's no way you can tell if they are like puppets being controlled and already knew the outcome of it.
I think this kind of fixed game mostly happened in single-player sports like boxing. You may have seen some clips where a boxer is just trying to survive the match for a minimum of 2 rounds then will be knocked down with a single jab, not even a haymaker.  ;D


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Boristhecat on June 08, 2022, 11:51:20 AM
Only after the game, you will start to question what happened. If it's fixed or not. But during a game especially at the start of it, there's no way you can tell if they are like puppets being controlled and already knew the outcome of it.
I think this kind of fixed game mostly happened in single-player sports like boxing. You may have seen some clips where a boxer is just trying to survive the match for a minimum of 2 rounds then will be knocked down with a single jab, not even a haymaker.  ;D

I have heard about cases where fixed matches were in football, but not all players were involved, but only a few. But you're right, for obvious reasons, match-fixing is more relevant to individual sports. I would like to know what percentage of incredible comebacks and other unexpected twists in games are rigged, because in fact, even after the game it is difficult to say the reason for what happened.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Rruchi man on June 08, 2022, 12:27:13 PM
Some fixed games are staged so well they look so real that it may be very difficult to spot or ascertain they were staged. However for people who have been involved in such and been in the game for long, they can spot or sniff irregularities even of concealed to the minimum.

For one, fixed games usually has the officials in charge making decisions that are biased and in favour of one team. If you know the game well and rules, you can tell when a biased decision has been made, and if repeated consecutively in one game, it is a sign of a fixed game.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Questat on June 08, 2022, 01:00:56 PM
It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.
It's really hard to tell because if there's a fix, these people who are doing it are professionals. It's just a guessing game, if you think a certain team is heavily favored that everyone is betting on them, just fade the public and put your bet on a team that you think has no chance of winning.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: traderethereum on June 08, 2022, 01:16:33 PM
Only after the game, you will start to question what happened. If it's fixed or not. But during a game especially at the start of it, there's no way you can tell if they are like puppets being controlled and already knew the outcome of it.
I think this kind of fixed game mostly happened in single-player sports like boxing. You may have seen some clips where a boxer is just trying to survive the match for a minimum of 2 rounds then will be knocked down with a single jab, not even a haymaker.  ;D
I guess you're just guessing without knowing if the game is fixed or not because even if it gets fixed, we'll never know.
Maybe if the match looks like it's fixed, it can lead us to guess that the match is fixed when it really isn't.
But instead of us just guessing without having clear information, it will make us dizzy and will not be able to enjoy the game.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: rhomelmabini on June 08, 2022, 01:26:59 PM
It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.
I don't think that wouldn't be a simple stuff to tell if they're rigged or fixed (whatever you call it), that will be hard tbh. I'm more into basketball but there's no easy way to tell it unless you know it for yourself from the people who might arrange these kind of things. I guess our mind can be tricky especially if we are betting someone to win yet we lost but you saw a simple mistake either from the referee/s or from the player, you'll think it's fixed.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: jaberwock on June 08, 2022, 05:44:07 PM
It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.
If you have been on the industry for many years then you are expert already at knowing these things. A fixed match will be so obvious. For example in basketball, there are players that will intentionally not shot the ball on the ring even if the chance for them to do it is high because they are already close to the ring and there no other players that are guarding them because they are too far away but his will be hard to do if the game is done by animals and not humans because they can not control it.

People will just think that what happen was a normal win and lose between the players. Comebacks can also happen where an underdog can manage to win but it is also possible to tell if there is something fishy.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Cling18 on June 08, 2022, 06:10:28 PM
It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.
I don't think that wouldn't be a simple stuff to tell if they're rigged or fixed (whatever you call it), that will be hard tbh. I'm more into basketball but there's no easy way to tell it unless you know it for yourself from the people who might arrange these kind of things. I guess our mind can be tricky especially if we are betting someone to win yet we lost but you saw a simple mistake either from the referee/s or from the player, you'll think it's fixed.
One thing that comes into our mind when the outcome or the result of the game is too different from what we expect is that it was a fixed game which is just our assumption. Some games only turned out different simply because sports are sports and anything can happen anytime. The result won't always go in favor of what we want.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Cookdata on June 08, 2022, 07:00:44 PM
It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.


I think that the majority of fixed matches happen in boxing, if you look at the battle between Anthony Joshua and Ruiz, the two appeared to be playing and being paid to yield to each other in different rounds. The first round seemed to be a stage in my opinion because Joshua's past performance convinced me that he would break Ruiz on the pitch at the first glance, but he accepted defeat and relinquished his heavyweight title. They made various comments to gain attention before calling round two, it was so simple for him to get his heavyweight back, looks like a fixed fight to me.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: mm2543363580 on June 08, 2022, 07:38:50 PM
It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.


I think that the majority of fixed matches happen in boxing, if you look at the battle between Anthony Joshua and Ruiz, the two appeared to be playing and being paid to yield to each other in different rounds. The first round seemed to be a stage in my opinion because Joshua's past performance convinced me that he would break Ruiz on the pitch at the first glance, but he accepted defeat and relinquished his heavyweight title. They made various comments to gain attention before calling round two, it was so simple for him to get his heavyweight back, looks like a fixed fight to me.
There are some situations where one can obviously tell that how things are going to end.  Like in early days - when there was less mobile phones and internet access. People used to make guesses. But now people talk with proofs. They have authentic evidence where they can suggest what is going to happen. But obviously these are well connected people.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Lanatsa on June 08, 2022, 07:43:12 PM
It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.


I think that the majority of fixed matches happen in boxing, if you look at the battle between Anthony Joshua and Ruiz, the two appeared to be playing and being paid to yield to each other in different rounds. The first round seemed to be a stage in my opinion because Joshua's past performance convinced me that he would break Ruiz on the pitch at the first glance, but he accepted defeat and relinquished his heavyweight title. They made various comments to gain attention before calling round two, it was so simple for him to get his heavyweight back, looks like a fixed fight to me.
There are some situations where one can obviously tell that how things are going to end.  Like in early days - when there was less mobile phones and internet access. People used to make guesses. But now people talk with proofs. They have authentic evidence where they can suggest what is going to happen. But obviously these are well connected people.
Accessibility and ease of connection would really be there but making out guesses and speculation would really be just the same but somehow having these tech or innovations could really make more the conversation
or transaction way more faster in terms of suggestions and recommendations of something.

Telling about on how it would gonna end? Yes, it might really be making out some those first impression but we know that sudden u-turn of events could really happen on point.

There's no way that you could tell on what would be the outcome but you could really eventually notice when there's something wrong but is there something that you can do?


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: uneng on June 08, 2022, 08:06:15 PM
It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.
I don't think that wouldn't be a simple stuff to tell if they're rigged or fixed (whatever you call it), that will be hard tbh. I'm more into basketball but there's no easy way to tell it unless you know it for yourself from the people who might arrange these kind of things. I guess our mind can be tricky especially if we are betting someone to win yet we lost but you saw a simple mistake either from the referee/s or from the player, you'll think it's fixed.
If you are a watchful person, I believe you can suspect the behavior and expressions of players, coaches and support team, but it's impossible to be assured without further investigations and evidence which must come from someone who is inside the industry, and not from a random spectator. In every sports there are cases of suspicious results people didn't accept by nowadays, although they can't prove anything with certainty at same time.

What gamblers can do is to avoid minor leagues in order to decrease the chance of betting in a fixed match and being "scammed".


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Johnyz on June 08, 2022, 09:05:39 PM
It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.


I think that the majority of fixed matches happen in boxing, if you look at the battle between Anthony Joshua and Ruiz, the two appeared to be playing and being paid to yield to each other in different rounds. The first round seemed to be a stage in my opinion because Joshua's past performance convinced me that he would break Ruiz on the pitch at the first glance, but he accepted defeat and relinquished his heavyweight title. They made various comments to gain attention before calling round two, it was so simple for him to get his heavyweight back, looks like a fixed fight to me.
It’s easy to have fixed game on boxing since this only involves two parties and yes this is happening in Boxing, we’ve seen a lot of matches already and you can tell it easily. Even a professional boxers are falling into this kind of deal as long as there’s a good money involve. This can also possible to happen in Basketball but I think only a few players will participate and maybe they are the top players.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: aioc on June 08, 2022, 10:04:43 PM
It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.


I think that the majority of fixed matches happen in boxing, if you look at the battle between Anthony Joshua and Ruiz, the two appeared to be playing and being paid to yield to each other in different rounds. The first round seemed to be a stage in my opinion because Joshua's past performance convinced me that he would break Ruiz on the pitch at the first glance, but he accepted defeat and relinquished his heavyweight title. They made various comments to gain attention before calling round two, it was so simple for him to get his heavyweight back, looks like a fixed fight to me.
It’s easy to have fixed game on boxing since this only involves two parties and yes this is happening in Boxing, we’ve seen a lot of matches already and you can tell it easily. Even a professional boxers are falling into this kind of deal as long as there’s a good money involve. This can also possible to happen in Basketball but I think only a few players will participate and maybe they are the top players.

It's easy to fix it when there are two or fewer people involved like in boxing, but if you are not watching boxing very often you can hardly see if they are fixing the match, I can easily guess fixing in boxing when there is choreography in their moves and both fighters have no intention to hurt their opponents if both boxers are not coming on strong on their opponents them something is a miss, and a boxing expert can easily sense that.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: coolcoinz on June 08, 2022, 10:28:05 PM

It's easy to fix it when there are two or fewer people involved like in boxing, but if you are not watching boxing very often you can hardly see if they are fixing the match, I can easily guess fixing in boxing when there is choreography in their moves and both fighters have no intention to hurt their opponents if both boxers are not coming on strong on their opponents them something is a miss, and a boxing expert can easily sense that.

You have to be really stupid to fix like that meaning that you set it up before and you both try not to hurt each other. Real fixing works only when only 1 guy knows and he does everything like normal just when he gets a strong hit that would normally end in a stumble or a knockdown, he takes his time and acts like he's out. This is much harder to prove. Also, this almost never happens in higher leagues but the lower you get the dirtier the sports are.

Can you tell? Usually you have that gut feeling that something wasn't right with that fight or game but you also can't prove it. They will say that they had a worse day or got an injury and had to give up.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: DoublerHunter on June 08, 2022, 10:39:56 PM
It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.
It's really hard to tell because if there's a fix, these people who are doing it are professionals. It's just a guessing game, if you think a certain team is heavily favored that everyone is betting on them, just fade the public and put your bet on a team that you think has no chance of winning.
^ And also, we saw them in live coverage on our television so it is impossible if the game is scripted just because it is fixed there is already a winner.
I don't think this really happens in that kind of sport but I think just a coincidence and that is right, they are professional in that sport and we know if there are changes while they are in the match. Players also build their reputation not to become fade in the future, so I don't think there is someone willing to risk their dignity.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: goinmerry on June 08, 2022, 11:01:47 PM
It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

In reality, yes we can tell if a certain match is considered fixed or not. But what evidence can we refer to as solid proof? What we just do is make speculations as even if that match is fixed, we can't back it up properly. There are obviously fixed matches and that really happened, but without a claim officially that there's something wrong behind that match, that's the only time our speculations will be answered.

Although rigged games do really happen, I think it's not that happening or present anymore at a recognized international league. Why these leagues will ruin their reputation in the first place when the fans are the reason why they become BIG. Maybe in small leagues established locally.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Oilacris on June 08, 2022, 11:07:03 PM
It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.
It's really hard to tell because if there's a fix, these people who are doing it are professionals. It's just a guessing game, if you think a certain team is heavily favored that everyone is betting on them, just fade the public and put your bet on a team that you think has no chance of winning.
^ And also, we saw them in live coverage on our television so it is impossible if the game is scripted just because it is fixed there is already a winner.
I don't think this really happens in that kind of sport but I think just a coincidence and that is right, they are professional in that sport and we know if there are changes while they are in the match. Players also build their reputation not to become fade in the future, so I don't think there is someone willing to risk their dignity.
We are dealing with professional players and if there are some arrangement or agreement on making it a fixed game then this is something that these fellas could able to do so and of course it wont really

be that obvious as much as possible because if they do get caught then they do know on what would be the consequences.We know that fixed matching is possible or could really happen.
You cant say that you could definitely point out if its fixed or not thats why whenever there are some irregularities of their performance then people would always
be coming up with some nasty comments.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: rhomelmabini on June 09, 2022, 06:20:58 AM
One thing that comes into our mind when the outcome or the result of the game is too different from what we expect is that it was a fixed game which is just our assumption. Some games only turned out different simply because sports are sports and anything can happen anytime. The result won't always go in favor of what we want.
Exactly, most of the time we're just on the assumption stage considering we vouch for the player/s or for the whole team.

If you are a watchful person, I believe you can suspect the behavior and expressions of players, coaches and support team, but it's impossible to be assured without further investigations and evidence which must come from someone who is inside the industry, and not from a random spectator. In every sports there are cases of suspicious results people didn't accept by nowadays, although they can't prove anything with certainty at same time.

What gamblers can do is to avoid minor leagues in order to decrease the chance of betting in a fixed match and being "scammed".
Probably this are for the keen eyes and can literally see the behavior and expression of the individual, and you can tell I can't do that. The thing is, most rigged games can only be known or catch is when the game already happened even with just tiny details. And the worst in it, bettors already win and even if you protest, that would take a lot of time or worst as I'd say, it will never be changed. Take an example are some boxing matches.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Peanutswar on June 09, 2022, 06:28:42 AM
It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.
It's really hard to tell because if there's a fix, these people who are doing it are professionals. It's just a guessing game, if you think a certain team is heavily favored that everyone is betting on them, just fade the public and put your bet on a team that you think has no chance of winning.
^ And also, we saw them in live coverage on our television so it is impossible if the game is scripted just because it is fixed there is already a winner.
I don't think this really happens in that kind of sport but I think just a coincidence and that is right, they are professional in that sport and we know if there are changes while they are in the match. Players also build their reputation not to become fade in the future, so I don't think there is someone willing to risk their dignity.
We are dealing with professional players and if there are some arrangement or agreement on making it a fixed game then this is something that these fellas could able to do so and of course it wont really

be that obvious as much as possible because if they do get caught then they do know on what would be the consequences.We know that fixed matching is possible or could really happen.
You cant say that you could definitely point out if its fixed or not thats why whenever there are some irregularities of their performance then people would always
be coming up with some nasty comments.

Mostly games are live in the match and of course there's atons of viewers with that will watch the game also of course they are fan of different team and they can easily notice a small portion of mistakes that towards a speculation to them there's a max fixing happens or it is just a casual game like imagine the MVP of the team makes a lot of miss shots and does not give a performance something going to be suspicious happen.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: serjent05 on June 09, 2022, 07:09:59 AM
I wouldn't think a fight or event is fixed if it's a big match against two strong fighter/club that really want to become a champion. I mostly watch a football match and I don't think it's a fixed match because it doesn't make sense if he want to lose for money, AFAIK they already got a huge paycheck and full of endorsement. It's will different with boxing, mma and such similar sports, they fix the match by cherry pick a weak fighter.

Sports is a big entertainment business.  We aren't sure if there are no games that have been rigged/fixed since negotiation is kept secret.  Sometimes, to cater to promotions and interests, sports authorities might create a sound strategy to excite the audience especially when it comes to the best of the x series where x is the number of wins to be able to bag the championship or eliminate their opponent.  This might sound like a conspiracy theory but it is possible. 

Another reason for the fight to be labeled Fix is due to players betting on the game they are playing.  This article[1] is a good read where a list of sports where fixed fights are raised due to the player' bet while playing on that game.



[1] https://www.gamblingsites.org/blog/easiest-sports-to-rig-for-betting-betting-scandals-and-more/


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: _act_ on June 09, 2022, 07:56:54 AM
In reality, yes we can tell if a certain match is considered fixed or not. But what evidence can we refer to as solid proof? What we just do is make speculations as even if that match is fixed, we can't back it up properly. There are obviously fixed matches and that really happened, but without a claim officially that there's something wrong behind that match, that's the only time our speculations will be answered.
The reason I have preferred not to go for small ones that are not common, those are the ones that are most likely to be fixed, others that are international are not fixed.

Although rigged games do really happen, I think it's not that happening or present anymore at a recognized international league. Why these leagues will ruin their reputation in the first place when the fans are the reason why they become BIG. Maybe in small leagues established locally.
Once it comes to international, it is not possible, fights can not be fixed just like other sport are not fixed, only the ones that are not recognized or well know can be fixed.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: ethereumhunter on June 09, 2022, 09:10:18 AM
Although rigged games do really happen, I think it's not that happening or present anymore at a recognized international league. Why these leagues will ruin their reputation in the first place when the fans are the reason why they become BIG. Maybe in small leagues established locally.
Once it comes to international, it is not possible, fights can not be fixed just like other sport are not fixed, only the ones that are not recognized or well know can be fixed.
But it could be that the fixed-match is set to happen in an international match because we really don't know what goes on behind the scenes. But it is really difficult to do and it may take a lot of people to cover the arranged match.

And I also think that in these minor leagues, there is a possibility that people who are used to these regulated matches can do that so they can manage it freely. But if this gets known to the public and they can get solid evidence about the match being arranged, it will be very disappointing for all parties, especially those who support the match.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Slow death on June 09, 2022, 10:00:04 AM
the most irritating thing in the world is for a person to pick a game, spend hours analyzing the game, then spend money posting it in the game and then spend hours watching the game for days or weeks or months to find out that the game was rigged, this is definitely something very irritating, yesterday I watched the game of my country's team, the referee seemed to be in favor of a certain team and watching that game makes me angry because I bet on the game, even though I knew that the referee was favoring the team that I bet on them I couldn't help but feel irritated by that referee's behavior, winning a bet like that was close and in the end I lost the bet because the team I bet on lost the game


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Boristhecat on June 09, 2022, 03:35:52 PM
the most irritating thing in the world is for a person to pick a game, spend hours analyzing the game, then spend money posting it in the game and then spend hours watching the game for days or weeks or months to find out that the game was rigged, this is definitely something very irritating, yesterday I watched the game of my country's team, the referee seemed to be in favor of a certain team and watching that game makes me angry because I bet on the game, even though I knew that the referee was favoring the team that I bet on them I couldn't help but feel irritated by that referee's behavior, winning a bet like that was close and in the end I lost the bet because the team I bet on lost the game

So you placed a bet on the team that the referee favored but ended up losing your bet? I do not see any logic in this, because if the game is fixed, then the result should be as it was intended by those who fixed it. Maybe it was a fair game and you just exaggerated what you saw? If it's not a secret, tell me what kind of game it was and why do you think it was rigged?


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: fiulpro on June 09, 2022, 04:25:51 PM
If you see that people are honestly not even making sure that they have a chance in the game and you know their playoff and you sense something fishy then ofcourse it's fixed, for me sometimes when I watched certain football matches they wouldn't be able to shoot even at 7th try and would just rotate with the ball so for me considering the situation I felt like those were fixed for sure. But its to fix a match and it's also illegal as well therefore you would not find many instances where it's being done so more often I think it won't be fixed but they would just be out of their games as well.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Silberman on June 09, 2022, 06:29:25 PM
the most irritating thing in the world is for a person to pick a game, spend hours analyzing the game, then spend money posting it in the game and then spend hours watching the game for days or weeks or months to find out that the game was rigged, this is definitely something very irritating, yesterday I watched the game of my country's team, the referee seemed to be in favor of a certain team and watching that game makes me angry because I bet on the game, even though I knew that the referee was favoring the team that I bet on them I couldn't help but feel irritated by that referee's behavior, winning a bet like that was close and in the end I lost the bet because the team I bet on lost the game
It is precisely because of this that most sport federations try to do the best they can to get rid of all the scandals of fixed games as soon as possible, sports are all about the competition and one side doing their best to beat the other, and when that is not the case and one player or team lets the other win then this betrays the very fundamentals of all sports competitions, so it is natural fans are disappointed when this happens, and if it becomes something which occurs frequently it could be enough to reduce significantly the popularity of the league, as who wants to waste their time watching a competition in which the winner was decided before the game?


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: wxa7115 on June 10, 2022, 09:02:35 PM
We can tell if something is wrong with the judgments of the referees or players, but I think there's no actual way for us to tell whether a fight is fixed unless the players and referees come clean with it. I mean, I can always assume that the team I like that keeps getting called out has a rigged match since well, they keep getting called out, but in reality, it may just be me being blind and the team indeed made actual mistakes worth calling out. But yea, it can be easy to see if something's really wrong with the match after maybe half of the match.
Without a doubt it can be difficult to identify that a game has been fixed by just watching it, which is why many times a full investigation is needed for the events to become clear enough.

However sometimes things are incredibly clear from the beginning, for example there have been some boxing fights in which everyone saw a boxer win but the judges gave the win to the other fighter, this immediately creates speculation about them getting bribed and while I do no remember something like this becoming a scandal recently there are many famous examples of this through history.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Kasabus on June 10, 2022, 09:18:17 PM
It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.
I have been feeling that way also as no matter how i realized the results of the game, its just making not sense. There are really times that the games are being rigged, and you can't do nothing about it but being upset because you lose on a game which you think you have the advantage to win. I'm not sure about the reasons but maybe there are some sorts of agreements wherein that team should never lose.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Vaculin on June 10, 2022, 09:51:27 PM
It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.
I've witnessed it a lot of times. There are really games that make us very uncomfortable because the ends just don't justify the means. Even if its very clear that your team gains most of the wins, but its just that the result is never what you really expect. So i always think that there is really bias happening in that scenario. But only the event judges can tell.  We cannot just argue with the results or else we get banned orders from the operators.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: chaser15 on June 10, 2022, 11:43:35 PM
It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

The way the match is performed and there are lots of obvious questioned calls, we can tell if the game is fixed.

But our observation won't help since we really don't know what is happening behind that show. Maybe it's just that the supposed losing team has their adrenaline pumped up that's why they were able to upset that team that is supposed to win.

I also have a doubt that these players will risk their professional career. They won't participate in this dirty act in most cases.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: UmerIdrees on June 11, 2022, 03:26:49 PM
Nowadays match fixing have decreased much compared to the past. These days match fixing might be happening within the club level games. Recently saw an user posting a match as fixed on our forum and suggested to go for the odds. I didn't took into consideration, but as he said the results came accordingly. I don't know whether it is a coincidence or really a fixed match. As said when two equal teams play it is hard to find it is a fixed match.

This is not true as match fixing is not reduced by any means but in some places, it is being done at the country/government level. Don't know about other sports but in cricket, some matches and even tournaments like IPL are fixed. However, since fixing is done at a higher level, usually the details are not leaked or disclosed to the general public.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: dunfida on June 11, 2022, 03:55:50 PM
Nowadays match fixing have decreased much compared to the past. These days match fixing might be happening within the club level games. Recently saw an user posting a match as fixed on our forum and suggested to go for the odds. I didn't took into consideration, but as he said the results came accordingly. I don't know whether it is a coincidence or really a fixed match. As said when two equal teams play it is hard to find it is a fixed match.

This is not true as match fixing is not reduced by any means but in some places, it is being done at the country/government level. Don't know about other sports but in cricket, some matches and even tournaments like IPL are fixed. However, since fixing is done at a higher level, usually the details are not leaked or disclosed to the general public.
Usually match fixing would really be happening on local leagues or games but not into those games which are on international level or something that are on top ranking kind of games where fans do see all over the map

which means that any differences in gameplay might really generate out that kind of impression that it might be fixed specially if its an obvious one but if not then people would really be
hardly noticing if ever there are something like this.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: molsewid on June 11, 2022, 03:56:04 PM
It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

Maybe there's a possibility but match fixing is very against the rule, any team who will caught on the act might be punished, they will pay and maybe they will go to jail if there's a policy like that. You will notice if it is fixed if the gameplay of the team is not the same like the way they used to play, it will be very obvious. But no team will make us feel that the match from their opponents is already made because they need to pretend so that they will not kick from the league.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: virasog on June 11, 2022, 05:43:30 PM
It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

Maybe there's a possibility but match fixing is very against the rule, any team who will caught on the act might be punished, they will pay and maybe they will go to jail if there's a policy like that. You will notice if it is fixed if the gameplay of the team is not the same like the way they used to play, it will be very obvious. But no team will make us feel that the match from their opponents is already made because they need to pretend so that they will not kick from the league.

Match fixing is wrong and unethical and should not be done. It does not matter if it is done at the league level or international level, it's is against the good spirit of the game.
The only way to get rid of match fixing is to give punishment to those who get caught in match fixing. This way people will fear of the consequences of the match fixing and will think many times before doing it.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: mm2543363580 on June 11, 2022, 07:47:24 PM
Nowadays match fixing have decreased much compared to the past. These days match fixing might be happening within the club level games. Recently saw an user posting a match as fixed on our forum and suggested to go for the odds. I didn't took into consideration, but as he said the results came accordingly. I don't know whether it is a coincidence or really a fixed match. As said when two equal teams play it is hard to find it is a fixed match.

This is not true as match fixing is not reduced by any means but in some places, it is being done at the country/government level. Don't know about other sports but in cricket, some matches and even tournaments like IPL are fixed. However, since fixing is done at a higher level, usually the details are not leaked or disclosed to the general public.
That is true - we see on thing on the TV which is the entertainment we think is a real  fair game. But what is going on the other side of the screen we don't have any idea. But match fixing is a sure thing - even they are done at the very higher level but now or then the information comes to people as well.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Mauser on June 11, 2022, 08:36:35 PM
It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

In today's world I would expect to find almost no fixed game anymore. I am no expert on fixing or cheating games, but it sounds more of a thing of the past due to much better video recordings of the matches. Now we can analyse every millisecond of a match from various angles, there are no more blindspots. The risk of a cheater to get caught is much higher now.
With horse racing I have no clue about fixing matches, but for basketball it seems very hard. A referee could favour one team and try to push them for a win, but that will likely be challenged by the enemy team and might not be enough for a win. Same goes for paying of a player to throw a game, if he plays to bad the coach will just substitute him. And then again missing a tree throws might not be enough to lose the game. Also in basketball the championship are usually multiple games. The best sport to fix matches would probably be boxing, there are only 2 fighters involved and while faking a KO might be too hard, losing by points sounds the most plausible. Everybody can have a bad day and not be able to give 100%. Problem is that this can only happen 2-3 times in a career, after that he is out.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Maslate on June 11, 2022, 08:43:40 PM
Nowadays match fixing have decreased much compared to the past. These days match fixing might be happening within the club level games. Recently saw an user posting a match as fixed on our forum and suggested to go for the odds. I didn't took into consideration, but as he said the results came accordingly. I don't know whether it is a coincidence or really a fixed match. As said when two equal teams play it is hard to find it is a fixed match.

This is not true as match fixing is not reduced by any means but in some places, it is being done at the country/government level. Don't know about other sports but in cricket, some matches and even tournaments like IPL are fixed. However, since fixing is done at a higher level, usually the details are not leaked or disclosed to the general public.
That is true - we see on thing on the TV which is the entertainment we think is a real  fair game. But what is going on the other side of the screen we don't have any idea. But match fixing is a sure thing - even they are done at the very higher level but now or then the information comes to people as well.

We are still making a guess when it comes to betting because they will never share such information on the fixed game unless you are a member of the syndicate or something. Games are fixed for the purpose of entertainment, so it's hard to be successful especially if you are following the public bets or the obvious winner based on what you think.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: AmoreJaz on June 11, 2022, 08:51:47 PM
Nowadays match fixing have decreased much compared to the past. These days match fixing might be happening within the club level games. Recently saw an user posting a match as fixed on our forum and suggested to go for the odds. I didn't took into consideration, but as he said the results came accordingly. I don't know whether it is a coincidence or really a fixed match. As said when two equal teams play it is hard to find it is a fixed match.

This is not true as match fixing is not reduced by any means but in some places, it is being done at the country/government level. Don't know about other sports but in cricket, some matches and even tournaments like IPL are fixed. However, since fixing is done at a higher level, usually the details are not leaked or disclosed to the general public.
That is true - we see on thing on the TV which is the entertainment we think is a real  fair game. But what is going on the other side of the screen we don't have any idea. But match fixing is a sure thing - even they are done at the very higher level but now or then the information comes to people as well.

We are still making a guess when it comes to betting because they will never share such information on the fixed game unless you are a member of the syndicate or something. Games are fixed for the purpose of entertainment, so it's hard to be successful especially if you are following the public bets or the obvious winner based on what you think.

who would risk their reputation if the money on the line is huge? certainly, they won't easily share the information for public consumption. as much as possible, they will safeguard the info if there are big people involved. aside from ruining their name, they may be sued if the info gets out. and the league or the club would be screwed and possibly dismantled if it is proven to have their games fixed. so i can understand, if there will be game fixing, they will secure this info to very close people.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Rengga Jati on June 11, 2022, 09:57:30 PM
Maybe this could happen. as we know that the world of sports betting is sometimes very influential and involves a lot of big people and high-ranking people in the world. There are many of them who bet money or whatever in sports betting. So it could be that they do some match-fixing which sometimes makes us sports bettors very surprised by the results. but of course we cannot accuse or prove it easily.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: qwertyup23 on June 11, 2022, 11:44:19 PM
Maybe this could happen. as we know that the world of sports betting is sometimes very influential and involves a lot of big people and high-ranking people in the world. There are many of them who bet money or whatever in sports betting. So it could be that they do some match-fixing which sometimes makes us sports bettors very surprised by the results. but of course we cannot accuse or prove it easily.

Just to share and add to my previous post, I also remember that there was an allegation against game fixing in Dota 2. Since gambling skins in-game is a very prominent practice being used by gamblers, it is nothing but normal for some people to bet thousands of dollars worth of skins every game.

Years ago, there was a game being held and as expected thousands of players participated on the bet. But during the course of the game, both teams made very questionable plays and movements that made them suspect that they are involved in "game-fixing." Valve quickly made an investigation which turned out to be positive, so all the players responsible were held accountable.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: agustina2 on June 11, 2022, 11:58:39 PM
Years ago, there was a game being held and as expected thousands of players participated on the bet. But during the course of the game, both teams made very questionable plays and movements that made them suspect that they are involved in "game-fixing." Valve quickly made an investigation which turned out to be positive, so all the players responsible were held accountable.

That's the risky thing for all the people who are held accountable. I can't believe these people will just involve themselves without a good reason.

Like in that story shared by you, maybe there is a good and reasonable reason why these people put themselves in that particular situation.

Game-fixing can't just be done easily. It needs the cooperation of most people in the scene. For people to decide whether they want to be involved in game-fixing or not, that's a hard decision they are going into.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: lienfaye on June 12, 2022, 01:15:35 AM
It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.
I've witnessed it a lot of times. There are really games that make us very uncomfortable because the ends just don't justify the means. Even if its very clear that your team gains most of the wins, but its just that the result is never what you really expect. So i always think that there is really bias happening in that scenario. But only the event judges can tell.  We cannot just argue with the results or else we get banned orders from the operators.
True. If the scoring and the winner are questionable or the players are not competitive, not giving their best to win then its a sign that the fight is fixed. It can be easily notice in basketball match, boxing and mma fight.

I watched one before its a local basketball league, the one team is bribe to lose the game so the other team can move forward to finals. But it was exposed due to the obvious performance of each players thus resulting to disqualification.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: UmerIdrees on June 12, 2022, 03:45:19 AM
Nowadays match fixing have decreased much compared to the past. These days match fixing might be happening within the club level games. Recently saw an user posting a match as fixed on our forum and suggested to go for the odds. I didn't took into consideration, but as he said the results came accordingly. I don't know whether it is a coincidence or really a fixed match. As said when two equal teams play it is hard to find it is a fixed match.

This is not true as match fixing is not reduced by any means but in some places, it is being done at the country/government level. Don't know about other sports but in cricket, some matches and even tournaments like IPL are fixed. However, since fixing is done at a higher level, usually the details are not leaked or disclosed to the general public.
That is true - we see on thing on the TV which is the entertainment we think is a real  fair game. But what is going on the other side of the screen we don't have any idea. But match fixing is a sure thing - even they are done at the very higher level but now or then the information comes to people as well.

We are still making a guess when it comes to betting because they will never share such information on the fixed game unless you are a member of the syndicate or something. Games are fixed for the purpose of entertainment, so it's hard to be successful especially if you are following the public bets or the obvious winner based on what you think.

From the betting point of view, fixed games mean more loss to the gamblers as the strong team usually loses in a fixed match and gamblers do not have the prior information that the match is fixed.

If everyone knows before the match that it is fixed match, then everyone can be millionaires as they would bet on the winning team, but this is usually not the case.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: coin-investor on June 12, 2022, 08:32:56 AM
It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

In today's world I would expect to find almost no fixed game anymore. I am no expert on fixing or cheating games, but it sounds more of a thing of the past due to much better video recordings of the matches. Now we can analyse every millisecond of a match from various angles, there are no more blindspots.....

But there is still fixing going on, you are talking about international or national events but on local events, where there is an absence of TV coverage and CCTV like local boxing matches or local basketball leagues these things exist, and since there is no TV coverage people can speculate but those with good eyes and knows the movements of the players, it actually exists and game or match-fixing will always exist because there is money to be made here, could be coming from the competitors or could be coming from a syndicate.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Apocollapse on June 12, 2022, 08:59:34 AM
We are still making a guess when it comes to betting because they will never share such information on the fixed game unless you are a member of the syndicate or something. Games are fixed for the purpose of entertainment, so it's hard to be successful especially if you are following the public bets or the obvious winner based on what you think.
Honestly match fixing is doesn't have any entertain to me, I will be mad to know if the match is fixed because I'm expect the match will be close and the club/fighter I bet will win since I've do some analysis. I'm not always bet on favorite club/fighter if I can see the advantage or power from an underdog. If the match fixed is a exhibition match, then I wouldn't comment anything since it's full of fixing.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: KennyR on June 12, 2022, 09:22:30 AM

From the betting point of view, fixed games mean more loss to the gamblers as the strong team usually loses in a fixed match and gamblers do not have the prior information that the match is fixed.

If everyone knows before the match that it is fixed match, then everyone can be millionaires as they would bet on the winning team, but this is usually not the case.
Whether the game is fixed or not can't be identified. Later when the game comes into discussion as the big team losses to the small team, people start to identify signals. I don't know how effective this is happening with sports teams. With cricket we've seen different signals being passed during the match and the recent ball tampering incident of Clarke and Warner. This isn't a fixed game, but what they did is against the rules and later only identified.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: mm2543363580 on June 12, 2022, 02:19:59 PM

From the betting point of view, fixed games mean more loss to the gamblers as the strong team usually loses in a fixed match and gamblers do not have the prior information that the match is fixed.

If everyone knows before the match that it is fixed match, then everyone can be millionaires as they would bet on the winning team, but this is usually not the case.
Whether the game is fixed or not can't be identified. Later when the game comes into discussion as the big team losses to the small team, people start to identify signals. I don't know how effective this is happening with sports teams. With cricket we've seen different signals being passed during the match and the recent ball tampering incident of Clarke and Warner. This isn't a fixed game, but what they did is against the rules and later only identified.
some people are very good in predicting things. One of my ex-boss used to read minds and always came up with good predictions.
But I cannot predict what is coming up next. But yes one thing  I believe sometime too cheesy relations and friendships end up in chaos.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: STT on June 12, 2022, 04:27:52 PM
Its not obvious till they get away with it and then think its normal to do this, invariably it becomes obvious by repetition.   People never do this just once, the gambling cartels that sponsor corrupt results in games always want to come back and do more so in the end the players who are willing to throw a game or result in some way become known in that community, etc.   Secrets dont stay secret that long usually.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: cabron on June 12, 2022, 04:38:34 PM
Its not obvious till they get away with it and then think its normal to do this, invariably it becomes obvious by repetition.   People never do this just once, the gambling cartels that sponsor corrupt results in games always want to come back and do more so in the end the players who are willing to throw a game or result in some way become known in that community, etc.   Secrets dont stay secret that long usually.

They don't really make it very obvious as the mafia would do it. When they see a boxer is old and may not be able to last 12 rounds but can drive crowd to buy tickets, they'd match it to someone new and hungry for fight.

Even today there are still fights that are not obviously fixed but they are up to make money since the fighters can drive many fans into the arena to make money. Exhibition fights is just one thing they do and we even know there will be no winners in the fight but heck ifTyson in the ring can make fans go crazy buying tickets and an opportunity to make NFTs, they'd do it.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Jemzx00 on June 12, 2022, 04:49:42 PM
Its not obvious till they get away with it and then think its normal to do this, invariably it becomes obvious by repetition.   People never do this just once, the gambling cartels that sponsor corrupt results in games always want to come back and do more so in the end the players who are willing to throw a game or result in some way become known in that community, etc.   Secrets dont stay secret that long usually.
I sometimes wonder if the match that I'll be watching will be a fixed match or not. There a lot sports that I've watched that feels like it's a fixed match for example is Basketball that has a 5 match program. You can easily guess that it will be a 3-2 game or a 4-1 game as you'll feel that the other team are really just throwing the game.
Anyway, I've only heard a few sport games that has been reported to be cheating or being a fixed match and they were punished heavily for what they've done.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: TopT3ns on June 12, 2022, 04:51:08 PM
I think all gambling places always provide script updates, possibly every 6 hours or every 5 minutes because the developer certainly doesn't want to give a win that is easily predicted by gamblers so that if the developer doesn't do this, it will make the gambling place lose money.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Fredomago on June 12, 2022, 06:05:13 PM
Its not obvious till they get away with it and then think its normal to do this, invariably it becomes obvious by repetition.   People never do this just once, the gambling cartels that sponsor corrupt results in games always want to come back and do more so in the end the players who are willing to throw a game or result in some way become known in that community, etc.   Secrets dont stay secret that long usually.
I sometimes wonder if the match that I'll be watching will be a fixed match or not. There a lot sports that I've watched that feels like it's a fixed match for example is Basketball that has a 5 match program. You can easily guess that it will be a 3-2 game or a 4-1 game as you'll feel that the other team are really just throwing the game.
Anyway, I've only heard a few sport games that has been reported to be cheating or being a fixed match and they were punished heavily for what they've done.
Those proven receive sanctions that fits to what they've done, but we all know it's not just a little rumors around but still unproven things that being conducted all around any sports that we knew, those people behind this kind of business are discreetly manipulating the entire system, you can't tell if which sides are the actors cause even the officials and coaches can be part of the circulations.

Anything that money involves can be manipulated by big whales / mafias who know how to play with the system.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: jostorres on June 12, 2022, 06:12:23 PM
From the betting point of view, fixed games mean more loss to the gamblers as the strong team usually loses in a fixed match and gamblers do not have the prior information that the match is fixed.

If everyone knows before the match that it is fixed match, then everyone can be millionaires as they would bet on the winning team, but this is usually not the case.
Fixed games is when there is something fishy going on right? And one it is like you said, that a strong team can lose however on some occasions, a fixed game can also work on weak teams because if they will only do it on strong teams, they will be caught out soon.

Fixed games does not always mean more loss to the gamblers because gamblers are sometimes wise and they aware that match fixing can happen so they will bet on the less favored teams. It is not possible that all will know that the game is fixed because the info's are strictly kept and only vip people/bettors only have the chance to be given by it because they can pay big and they are close to the game organizers.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Silberman on June 12, 2022, 07:46:51 PM
Its not obvious till they get away with it and then think its normal to do this, invariably it becomes obvious by repetition.   People never do this just once, the gambling cartels that sponsor corrupt results in games always want to come back and do more so in the end the players who are willing to throw a game or result in some way become known in that community, etc.   Secrets dont stay secret that long usually.
I sometimes wonder if the match that I'll be watching will be a fixed match or not. There a lot sports that I've watched that feels like it's a fixed match for example is Basketball that has a 5 match program. You can easily guess that it will be a 3-2 game or a 4-1 game as you'll feel that the other team are really just throwing the game.
Anyway, I've only heard a few sport games that has been reported to be cheating or being a fixed match and they were punished heavily for what they've done.
Those proven receive sanctions that fits to what they've done, but we all know it's not just a little rumors around but still unproven things that being conducted all around any sports that we knew, those people behind this kind of business are discreetly manipulating the entire system, you can't tell if which sides are the actors cause even the officials and coaches can be part of the circulations.

Anything that money involves can be manipulated by big whales / mafias who know how to play with the system.

While it is true that the results of some of the biggest leagues can be manipulated most of the time those people will try to fix games in smaller leagues, and it is not difficult to see why this is the case, to begin with it should be many times cheaper to do so, it will attract less attention as the league and the players are not as popular, it will bring more profits as casinos are not as good at setting odds for small leagues and finally it would be less suspicious as well.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: karabiber on June 12, 2022, 08:36:50 PM
Perhaps there was more match-fixing when technology was not common than now. We can't know this but in the current situation at least with the help of technology, match-fixing events may have been minimized. In addition, there is a fact called the match-fixing economy. I think you have a huge economic power. We don't know what's going on at the back door.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: crzy on June 12, 2022, 08:58:09 PM
Perhaps there was more match-fixing when technology was not common than now. We can't know this but in the current situation at least with the help of technology, match-fixing events may have been minimized. In addition, there is a fact called the match-fixing economy. I think you have a huge economic power. We don't know what's going on at the back door.
Match fixing always have the price, its more easy to have this if both parties are willing to participate and yes the technology also one of the reason why is this happening and seriously they also know how to adopt. I believe there are more match fixing in boxing since it only involves two boxer and its easy to throw the match on boxing. In other sports, you can also have this some is not easy to tell if its fixed or not but sometimes its obvious.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: dunfida on June 12, 2022, 09:00:03 PM
Perhaps there was more match-fixing when technology was not common than now. We can't know this but in the current situation at least with the help of technology, match-fixing events may have been minimized. In addition, there is a fact called the match-fixing economy. I think you have a huge economic power. We don't know what's going on at the back door.
Match fixing always have the price, its more easy to have this if both parties are willing to participate and yes the technology also one of the reason why it this happening and seriously they also know how to adopt. I believe there are more match fixing in boxing since it only involves two parties and its easy to tell
Matching fixing is something that you cant point out even if you do say about boxing.Its totally not that too obvious on rigging up the game and giving the opponent to win without any unnoticeable kind of boxing.
Usually match fixing or rigged matches do happen on local which it doesnt really exposed on bigger audience or fans which it wont really be making out some buzz if there are irregularities
which had been observed or find out.

With having the technology today and the access of social media where every possible event could be broadcasted and there would be lots of viewers could see such situation
and make out some direct comments whether would be good or bad.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Wakate on June 12, 2022, 09:01:35 PM
It all depends on the kind of games we are trying to predict especially when it comes to sport where it is never easy to guess what the outcome could be. There are fixed games we can predict and everything will fall on same track based on how we have analysed it.

When we look at sports like football and other similar games we can see that some times we do have a fixed game and in most cases they are not fixed. The outcome of a game is not always predictable and things could go wrong anytime.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: suzanne5223 on June 12, 2022, 09:31:26 PM
It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.
No matter how many years someone is into a particular it's hard for the person to detect if a certain game is fixed if you don't have an inside man who always knows what's going on in every game.
Most sports enthusiasts always detect games that are fixed when at halftime of the game.
 I am not used to horse racing but I believe game fixing happens in boxing and football. Besides, this is the major reason why boxing fights don't have hype and traffic like MMA fight


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Rufsilf on June 12, 2022, 09:45:53 PM
It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.
It is usually found in sports.
It is sometimes we went to wondering why they lose the games which in fact they are performing well in the first round quarter of the game. Although we don't have strong evidence to connect that issue, however, it can be put into our mind that there is something manipulation has been happening inside. We can't tell and nobody does, unless out from their mouth there is a leak.

But anyway, I don't think it hard. Maybe this really happens or not, it is eventually hard to prove. And instead of thinking about that scenario, we better enjoy the moment and place our bet on the team we think it would win.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: harizen on June 12, 2022, 11:58:06 PM
I sometimes wonder if the match that I'll be watching will be a fixed match or not. There a lot sports that I've watched that feels like it's a fixed match for example is Basketball that has a 5 match program. You can easily guess that it will be a 3-2 game or a 4-1 game as you'll feel that the other team are really just throwing the game.

Can you still recall the basketball series that has the situation you have mentioned?

Believe me, it's hard to rig a game in a playoffs series especially if that is a professional league. There is always speculation but I think it's not totally rigged rather there's a case of bad officiating and wrong call. And if those are rigged, it should end at 4-3 compared to the examples you mentioned of 3-2 or 4-1.

The longer the series, the more revenue will come.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: mm2543363580 on June 13, 2022, 12:22:19 PM
I sometimes wonder if the match that I'll be watching will be a fixed match or not. There a lot sports that I've watched that feels like it's a fixed match for example is Basketball that has a 5 match program. You can easily guess that it will be a 3-2 game or a 4-1 game as you'll feel that the other team are really just throwing the game.

Can you still recall the basketball series that has the situation you have mentioned?

Believe me, it's hard to rig a game in a playoffs series especially if that is a professional league. There is always speculation but I think it's not totally rigged rather there's a case of bad officiating and wrong call. And if those are rigged, it should end at 4-3 compared to the examples you mentioned of 3-2 or 4-1.

The longer the series, the more revenue will come.
Some people have great intuitions and they are good in predicting. They foresee what is coming up next.
Earlier there were lots of rumor that the matches are fixed - but now due to advancement of technology things are not obvious but yes sometime we predict that this is fixed.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Fredomago on June 14, 2022, 09:24:41 AM
I sometimes wonder if the match that I'll be watching will be a fixed match or not. There a lot sports that I've watched that feels like it's a fixed match for example is Basketball that has a 5 match program. You can easily guess that it will be a 3-2 game or a 4-1 game as you'll feel that the other team are really just throwing the game.

Can you still recall the basketball series that has the situation you have mentioned?

Believe me, it's hard to rig a game in a playoffs series especially if that is a professional league. There is always speculation but I think it's not totally rigged rather there's a case of bad officiating and wrong call. And if those are rigged, it should end at 4-3 compared to the examples you mentioned of 3-2 or 4-1.

The longer the series, the more revenue will come.

More on that side, if there's are facilitators to rigged that kind of series, I'm sure they will aimed for longer series as they can suck more money out from each game that they are facilitating, we can only speculate but there's no way that we can prove it, even there are rumors that being exposed on the social media outlets, the league officiating can manage to fix or hide it, not saying with any proof just an opinion.

Game fixing is always part of any sports in terms of rumors activities, but proving it is something that is really tough to expose.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: mm2543363580 on June 15, 2022, 08:48:54 PM

More on that side, if there's are facilitators to rigged that kind of series, I'm sure they will aimed for longer series as they can suck more money out from each game that they are facilitating, we can only speculate but there's no way that we can prove it, even there are rumors that being exposed on the social media outlets, the league officiating can manage to fix or hide it, not saying with any proof just an opinion.

Game fixing is always part of any sports in terms of rumors activities, but proving it is something that is really tough to expose.

I have a very poor farsightedness. Everytime I make a guess and give my bet. I loose - I lose terribly.
SO I no longer bet now. ANd no I cannot tell whether the match is fixed or not.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Lanatsa on June 15, 2022, 08:54:29 PM

More on that side, if there's are facilitators to rigged that kind of series, I'm sure they will aimed for longer series as they can suck more money out from each game that they are facilitating, we can only speculate but there's no way that we can prove it, even there are rumors that being exposed on the social media outlets, the league officiating can manage to fix or hide it, not saying with any proof just an opinion.

Game fixing is always part of any sports in terms of rumors activities, but proving it is something that is really tough to expose.

I have a very poor farsightedness. Everytime I make a guess and give my bet. I loose - I lose terribly.
SO I no longer bet now. ANd no I cannot tell whether the match is fixed or not.
On games that have a wide area plus its on big field to be held then it would really be somewhat understandable that you do need that good eyesight for you to enjoy the game
unless if your tickets are on the nearest seat then it would be good for you to look at but if not then i do much prefer on seeing everything on videos but we
know that its totally different experience when you are there.

Telling if the fight is fixed or not? Hard to tell but on todays tech and social media then having  these kind of match fixing is really hard to be played on
yet people could notice somethings weird happening.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: chaser15 on June 15, 2022, 09:58:45 PM
Telling if the fight is fixed or not? Hard to tell but on todays tech and social media then having  these kind of match fixing is really hard to be played on
yet people could notice somethings weird happening.

Aside from that, players are not that dumb to just sacrifice and risks their respective career for the sake of money in exchange for participating in a game-fixing.

As far as most fixed-games scenarios are concerned, it's the officiating who is always in charge for doing attempting to change the flow of the game as not all players will ruin their career for that. Since officiating can be manipulated that leads to a possible game-fixing scenario.

But in today's current status of high leagues, I doubt game-fixing is still happening.

They are professional and the trust of the people is where the revenues came from.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Lanatsa on June 15, 2022, 10:58:09 PM
Telling if the fight is fixed or not? Hard to tell but on todays tech and social media then having  these kind of match fixing is really hard to be played on
yet people could notice somethings weird happening.

Aside from that, players are not that dumb to just sacrifice and risks their respective career for the sake of money in exchange for participating in a game-fixing.

As far as most fixed-games scenarios are concerned, it's the officiating who is always in charge for doing attempting to change the flow of the game as not all players will ruin their career for that. Since officiating can be manipulated that leads to a possible game-fixing scenario.

But in today's current status of high leagues, I doubt game-fixing is still happening.

They are professional and the trust of the people is where the revenues came from.
Match fixing is still there but not into those leagues or competition which do really able to be seen on bigger audience.Lets say that this one doesnt talk about those players participating but rather on the decisions
made by referees or total scoreboard or something like this then its impossible for the masses not to witness on whats happening or there's something wrong with this.

So i dont believe that it would really be that rampant now but much sure in small leagues or local games then this might happen but for bigger ones then it is almost close to impossible but there
would be always some chances.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: blockman on June 15, 2022, 11:05:20 PM
So i dont believe that it would really be that rampant now but much sure in small leagues or local games then this might happen but for bigger ones then it is almost close to impossible but there
would be always some chances.
I reckon, in smaller and unpopular leagues. These can happen but in the bigger ones, I doubt that they even want to do it. They don't want any controversy that will be attached to them just because of this.
The bigger leagues in any sporting event won't do this, people probably would still believe in those mafias, I guess they're for real and still there but if ever they'll do it, we'll barely notice that the game is part of the rig.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: agustina2 on June 15, 2022, 11:27:47 PM
So i dont believe that it would really be that rampant now but much sure in small leagues or local games then this might happen but for bigger ones then it is almost close to impossible but there
would be always some chances.

Small leagues are still professional. I doubt it mostly happened there. But for local games, it's possible but it's the referees who are controlling the game. I just can't wonder why in the local league, a rigged should happen. There's not much money circulating in small local games. Too small that they can't even think of rigging the game.

For example here in our place where there's a yearly basketball competition. Referees are sometimes sucked on their officiating and most of us think that a game-fixing is happening because they are always calling several fouls against our team. Not being biased but it's clear as the sky that a live cooking show is taking place and only noob won't think it's not.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on June 16, 2022, 04:01:54 PM
Once recently in the Colombian soccer league, one team gave a lot of money to the other to let them win, and the worst thing is that in the middle of the game when the player had the ball, the other players did not hide anything and let the goal was scored in a very stupid way, this was something that came to FIFA and from then on they made him give a big sanction to those teams, that was a world scandal and everyone in the Colombian soccer league put the magnifying glass on him because the football cannot become such a brazen business, the corruption at that time reached the gamers themselves, it really looked very bad, that was the only time I saw a fixed game.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: dothebeats on June 16, 2022, 05:10:38 PM
So i dont believe that it would really be that rampant now but much sure in small leagues or local games then this might happen but for bigger ones then it is almost close to impossible but there
would be always some chances.
I reckon, in smaller and unpopular leagues. These can happen but in the bigger ones, I doubt that they even want to do it. They don't want any controversy that will be attached to them just because of this.
The bigger leagues in any sporting event won't do this, people probably would still believe in those mafias, I guess they're for real and still there but if ever they'll do it, we'll barely notice that the game is part of the rig.

There were rumors that Lebron was threatened by the so-called 'mafia' to throw the game in 2017 due to his rather lackluster performance against the GSW. I don't buy it. It's just that the Warriors were undeniably unstoppable during those season and that most of the players from the Cavaliers were tired and kind of restless. It is not impossible for major games to be fixed. It's just that we will not know that other people already know the outcome because it was already decided a few games even before the championship games start.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Silberman on June 16, 2022, 08:26:50 PM
Perhaps there was more match-fixing when technology was not common than now. We can't know this but in the current situation at least with the help of technology, match-fixing events may have been minimized. In addition, there is a fact called the match-fixing economy. I think you have a huge economic power. We don't know what's going on at the back door.
Match fixing always have the price, its more easy to have this if both parties are willing to participate and yes the technology also one of the reason why is this happening and seriously they also know how to adopt. I believe there are more match fixing in boxing since it only involves two boxer and its easy to throw the match on boxing. In other sports, you can also have this some is not easy to tell if its fixed or not but sometimes its obvious.
Without a doubt it is easier to fix a match in which a single individual is facing another than those in which  a whole team needs to be convinced about throwing the game way, so sports like boxing and tennis are perfect for those that like to fix matches, however this does not mean that team sports are exempt of this, as we have seen many examples of this in the past, and those are only the cases we know something about, and it is very likely there are many more undisclosed cases we have never hear about.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: mm2543363580 on June 18, 2022, 03:59:25 PM
Without a doubt it is easier to fix a match in which a single individual is facing another than those in which  a whole team needs to be convinced about throwing the game way, so sports like boxing and tennis are perfect for those that like to fix matches, however this does not mean that team sports are exempt of this, as we have seen many examples of this in the past, and those are only the cases we know something about, and it is very likely there are many more undisclosed cases we have never hear about.
I am not good in foreseeing -  so I particularly don't try to make bets over this.
Whenever  I did - I lost the bet. So I have stopped doing it.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Jackl87 on June 18, 2022, 04:04:59 PM
It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

I don't really think that there is a sure way to see as a spectator if the outcome of a match is fixed or not. In general i think that is is way harder to fix matches where to teams are competing because in order to fix such a match you basically have to bribe the majority of at least one team which is just way to expensive probably and also way to dangerous because the more people that are involved the higher the chance that someone is talking and everything becomes public.
I think sports like boxing, martial arts or others where you only have two athletes involved are way easier to fix. Of course match fixing is a horrible thing and i hate everyone that does that.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Sanitough on June 18, 2022, 06:21:46 PM
Perhaps there was more match-fixing when technology was not common than now. We can't know this but in the current situation at least with the help of technology, match-fixing events may have been minimized. In addition, there is a fact called the match-fixing economy. I think you have a huge economic power. We don't know what's going on at the back door.
Match fixing always have the price, its more easy to have this if both parties are willing to participate and yes the technology also one of the reason why is this happening and seriously they also know how to adopt. I believe there are more match fixing in boxing since it only involves two boxer and its easy to throw the match on boxing. In other sports, you can also have this some is not easy to tell if its fixed or not but sometimes its obvious.

These days a fixed match is hard to point out even though we see some signs but we cannot totally prove it, that said, I bet that is still happening in some sports, either if it's football, horseracing, dart, or other sports but we certainly don't have intel about that because that information is only shared in closed and higher management. I agree, fixing a match now might be hard because of the improved technology.

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I believe there are more match fixing in boxing since it only involves two boxer and its easy to throw the match on boxing.
I find this hard to believe especially in the upper tier where boxers are really carving their names in the industry to have a legacy before they retire. Maybe in the lower-tier where boxers are starting to create hype in their name, that said, there was a rumor that Jake Paul-Tyron Woodley fight was rigged and there are some videos that could somehow point out that it's rigged.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: serjent05 on June 18, 2022, 08:59:27 PM
But in today's current status of high leagues, I doubt game-fixing is still happening.

There are sports that are easier to fix.  Those that rely on judges is the best candidate.  Aside from that, there are seldom instances where a referee's call is out of the blue.  It is either someone bought that referee or it is part of the sports commission's plan to support or build up a certain team or player.

They are professional and the trust of the people is where the revenues came from.

Indeed they are professional players but their higher-up is a professional businessman.  ;D


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: KTChampions on June 18, 2022, 09:26:14 PM
There are sports that are easier to fix.  Those that rely on judges is the best candidate.  Aside from that, there are seldom instances where a referee's call is out of the blue.  It is either someone bought that referee or it is part of the sports commission's plan to support or build up a certain team or player.

I think it makes no sense to have a judge involved in the conspiracy, because if his decisions are obviously unfair, it will cause a scandal. Usually, fixed games take place in sports where not teams but individual players compete - table tennis, tennis, chess, etc. Unexpected results can be explained here by many logical reasons such as poor form or microtrauma.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: mm2543363580 on June 19, 2022, 01:50:48 PM
There are sports that are easier to fix.  Those that rely on judges is the best candidate.  Aside from that, there are seldom instances where a referee's call is out of the blue.  It is either someone bought that referee or it is part of the sports commission's plan to support or build up a certain team or player.

I think it makes no sense to have a judge involved in the conspiracy, because if his decisions are obviously unfair, it will cause a scandal. Usually, fixed games take place in sports where not teams but individual players compete - table tennis, tennis, chess, etc. Unexpected results can be explained here by many logical reasons such as poor form or microtrauma.
earlier when there was less technology - people were very sure to tell. The matches are fixed. But now even the players have become smarts and know ways to do the stuff. Now it is hard to tell if it is fixed or not. However I am not much smart to judge it.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Boristhecat on June 19, 2022, 02:02:51 PM
These days a fixed match is hard to point out even though we see some signs but we cannot totally prove it, that said, I bet that is still happening in some sports, either if it's football, horseracing, dart, or other sports but we certainly don't have intel about that because that information is only shared in closed and higher management. I agree, fixing a match now might be hard because of the improved technology.

There have always been problems with proving that the game was fixed, and you need to understand that this is a very sensitive area where you can unfairly accuse the innocent, so you need ironclad evidence like a video recording of the agreement and the fact of the transfer of money. For example, in tennis, player A bets on player B (who is an outsider) and loses the game to him. Can we accuse Player B of collusion? After all, he may or may not be involved in a dishonest game. You need hard evidence to make a judgment.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: harizen on June 19, 2022, 11:46:24 PM
But in today's current status of high leagues, I doubt game-fixing is still happening.

There are sports that are easier to fix.  Those that rely on judges is the best candidate.  Aside from that, there are seldom instances where a referee's call is out of the blue.  It is either someone bought that referee or it is part of the sports commission's plan to support or build up a certain team or player.

All sports are easy to fix if aggressively will force the plan to execute but if we are talking about professional big leagues, that fixing is hard to execute. It's hard to rig a game with only officiating, referees, or judges as a participant. To make rigged games successfully, players themselves should also take part in them which I doubt will happen mostly in high leagues.

If you talk about boxing, if the result is really questionable, there are instances that it will be subject to an investigation and reversal of the results.

Indeed they are professional players but their higher-up is a professional businessman.  ;D

Even if that's the case, professional players take care of their status. No mafia or higher-ups can influence them. That will result in the permanent removal of their status as a player and maybe, a lifetime ban from participating again in any sports.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: mm2543363580 on June 20, 2022, 08:56:09 AM

Even if that's the case, professional players take care of their status. No mafia or higher-ups can influence them. That will result in the permanent removal of their status as a player and maybe, a lifetime ban from participating again in any sports.
That is correct - MAfia has their own role to play - even if there are strict rules about them- they will find the ways to make the black money white.
However talking about the OP - I cannot make a guess. Every time I did that in the past. I lost miserably so I decided not to do it anytime sooner.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: boltz on June 20, 2022, 10:04:27 AM
You always have a sensation that some games might be fixed but do we have any proof ? No , we don't. Why ? Because sometimes , strange things happens without any giving reason or at least this is my conclusion.

I hardly doubt that big professional players are playing in the mafia side and doing rigged games as there is no point to ruin your career for extra money because in the end, stories will get up on surface and world will find out , so I think this is not possible anymore during our times. I do think some e-sports games are rigged from time to time or players are losing focus in key points of the games...could be both but again , no proofs on this.

Also , there is an entire Netflix documentary about this so you might check that out.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: carlisle1 on June 20, 2022, 12:05:27 PM
These days a fixed match is hard to point out even though we see some signs but we cannot totally prove it, that said, I bet that is still happening in some sports, either if it's football, horseracing, dart, or other sports but we certainly don't have intel about that because that information is only shared in closed and higher management. I agree, fixing a match now might be hard because of the improved technology.

There have always been problems with proving that the game was fixed, and you need to understand that this is a very sensitive area where you can unfairly accuse the innocent, so you need ironclad evidence like a video recording of the agreement and the fact of the transfer of money. For example, in tennis, player A bets on player B (who is an outsider) and loses the game to him. Can we accuse Player B of collusion? After all, he may or may not be involved in a dishonest game. You need hard evidence to make a judgment.

Accusing is something and proving is another thing, in this case you can simply provide your opinion if you are thinking that the game was rigged,

But, do you have any proofs that you can show about your claim? if there's none then it will only fall to your own sentiment.

There's nothing but only allegations that will keep linger inside you especially if you bet and you are already claiming that the team

or player that you are supporting have an upper hand against their opponent, once you lose that match you'll think that the kind

of game was fixed.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Silberman on June 20, 2022, 01:50:54 PM
You always have a sensation that some games might be fixed but do we have any proof ? No , we don't. Why ? Because sometimes , strange things happens without any giving reason or at least this is my conclusion.

I hardly doubt that big professional players are playing in the mafia side and doing rigged games as there is no point to ruin your career for extra money because in the end, stories will get up on surface and world will find out , so I think this is not possible anymore during our times. I do think some e-sports games are rigged from time to time or players are losing focus in key points of the games...could be both but again , no proofs on this.

Also , there is an entire Netflix documentary about this so you might check that out.
While difficult, to think that rigging games is impossible is to go too far, we must not forget that we are talking about big time criminals and not some small fish, which means that I would not be surprised that if instead of using incentives like money they used threats against the players in order to get them to throw the game away, as such a threat will be way more effective than the use of money as professional athletes earn a lot of money already.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Oasisman on June 20, 2022, 02:12:35 PM
But in today's current status of high leagues, I doubt game-fixing is still happening.

There are sports that are easier to fix.  Those that rely on judges is the best candidate.  Aside from that, there are seldom instances where a referee's call is out of the blue.  It is either someone bought that referee or it is part of the sports commission's plan to support or build up a certain team or player.

Not as easy when people are starting to doubt that. Without the player's cooperation it would become too obvious of a thing.
Let's say If a boxing judge is trying rig the match, he would become very obvious on the results on his score card which will automatically contradicts on the other 2 judges, especially when there is a huge difference in scoring the match.
Now, for basketball if the referee is trying to rig the game, his calls might be too obvious as well especially during crunch time where referees decisions are very critical.

Therefore, identifying a rigged game might no be easy to spot on. It does require the cooperation of everyone involved in that line of sport to make it unnoticeable.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Plaguedeath on June 20, 2022, 02:23:27 PM
Let's say If a boxing judge is trying rig the match, he would become very obvious on the results on his score card which will automatically contradicts on the other 2 judges, especially when there is a huge difference in scoring the match.
Now, for basketball if the referee is trying to rig the game, his calls might be too obvious as well especially during crunch time where referees decisions are very critical.
Did the rigged match turn out to be fair match after someone discover the suspicious activity of the judge/referee? I doubt it is, almost of the match end to be like that and the winner aren't changed. They wouldn't care until a big names talking about the case and make an appeal of his judgement.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Distinctin on June 20, 2022, 07:16:53 PM
You always have a sensation that some games might be fixed but do we have any proof ? No , we don't. Why ? Because sometimes , strange things happens without any giving reason or at least this is my conclusion.

I hardly doubt that big professional players are playing in the mafia side and doing rigged games as there is no point to ruin your career for extra money because in the end, stories will get up on surface and world will find out , so I think this is not possible anymore during our times. I do think some e-sports games are rigged from time to time or players are losing focus in key points of the games...could be both but again , no proofs on this.

Also , there is an entire Netflix documentary about this so you might check that out.
Right, it's quite easy to speculate that this certain game is rigged or fixed especially if there's a player we know that could really make that shot or goal yet he didn't. But surely we cannot prove it, sometimes what we felt was just a baseless hunch.

In the old times, we can say for sure that there was someone with a big brain behind the scenes rigging games and that happens frequently as we don't have the technology to provide evidence at that time yet. But as of these days? I'm not sure though but I'm sure that it won't happen frequently.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Fortify on June 20, 2022, 09:58:56 PM
It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

The higher you get up the professional sporting leagues, the less chance you are to encounter someone who will be match fixing. It's not impossible, but people tend to get compensated better (which can be huge depending on the sport) and there is a lot more scrutiny of their play, which makes it harder to engage in such abuse. From the few pieces I've seen about it, when journalists have caught people out, it tends to be more obscure events that they try to capitalize on - like getting a red card at a certain point of play. This can make the people placing such bets stand out because it will be highly suspicious to the bookmaker who will be scrutinizing all large payouts and a large payout is required to make the risk worthwhile. Stick to the biggest teams/players and you're more likely to avoid such cheating.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Lanatsa on June 20, 2022, 10:59:38 PM
But in today's current status of high leagues, I doubt game-fixing is still happening.

There are sports that are easier to fix.  Those that rely on judges is the best candidate.  Aside from that, there are seldom instances where a referee's call is out of the blue.  It is either someone bought that referee or it is part of the sports commission's plan to support or build up a certain team or player.

Not as easy when people are starting to doubt that. Without the player's cooperation it would become too obvious of a thing.
Let's say If a boxing judge is trying rig the match, he would become very obvious on the results on his score card which will automatically contradicts on the other 2 judges, especially when there is a huge difference in scoring the match.
Now, for basketball if the referee is trying to rig the game, his calls might be too obvious as well especially during crunch time where referees decisions are very critical.

Therefore, identifying a rigged game might no be easy to spot on. It does require the cooperation of everyone involved in that line of sport to make it unnoticeable.
Something off or odd that happens will raises up some questions and when those doubts had been justified out then involved teams and people behind those fixing will really be facing up some charges and violations.Some people been saying that everything might be not that possible nowadays but we couldn't really make out some conclusion because match fixing had been here and something that couldn't be surprising thing.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: harizen on June 20, 2022, 11:49:54 PM
Therefore, identifying a rigged game might no be easy to spot on. It does require the cooperation of everyone involved in that line of sport to make it unnoticeable.

And to some PH basketball enthusiasts out there, if you remember the rigged games that happen in the local league here, fixing the game was done successfully and smoothly because players and coaching staff cooperate on it. No need for referees to do some double works to make the game rigged.

Unfortunately, that rigged game was too obvious and all involved individuals faced the wrath of the law.

Should be a good example for those who will still attempt to fix the match. It was heavily condemned here because instead of being thankful that these players, coaches, and staff still has a job even under pandemic, they still do shitty things that are not acceptable.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Silberman on June 23, 2022, 04:35:34 PM
Therefore, identifying a rigged game might no be easy to spot on. It does require the cooperation of everyone involved in that line of sport to make it unnoticeable.

And to some PH basketball enthusiasts out there, if you remember the rigged games that happen in the local league here, fixing the game was done successfully and smoothly because players and coaching staff cooperate on it. No need for referees to do some double works to make the game rigged.

Unfortunately, that rigged game was too obvious and all involved individuals faced the wrath of the law.

Should be a good example for those who will still attempt to fix the match. It was heavily condemned here because instead of being thankful that these players, coaches, and staff still has a job even under pandemic, they still do shitty things that are not acceptable.
I have always thought that anyone that was caught fixing games should be banned forever from the sport, some may think this is exaggerated but I do not think so, they damage the sport to the point the credibility of it is put into question, and if enough people get discouraged by this then it is likely they will lose a massive amount of fans due to the scandal, so in order to prevent that it is better to punish those which fixed the games as harshly as possible.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: passwordnow on June 23, 2022, 05:12:01 PM
Therefore, identifying a rigged game might no be easy to spot on. It does require the cooperation of everyone involved in that line of sport to make it unnoticeable.
It's totally difficult and sometimes we suspect games that have been rigged because we bet for the losing team. And that makes us think that the game is unacceptable because we're wrong with our bets or with the teams that we're supporting.
Out of frustration, we're thinking that there's magic with the result even though it's visible and clear that there's no cheat, no rig but just pure game and the winning team deserves it. This is the thought and mindset that we have when we can't accept defeat.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: stadus on June 24, 2022, 03:23:11 PM
Therefore, identifying a rigged game might no be easy to spot on. It does require the cooperation of everyone involved in that line of sport to make it unnoticeable.
It's totally difficult and sometimes we suspect games that have been rigged because we bet for the losing team. And that makes us think that the game is unacceptable because we're wrong with our bets or with the teams that we're supporting.
Out of frustration, we're thinking that there's magic with the result even though it's visible and clear that there's no cheat, no rig but just pure game and the winning team deserves it. This is the thought and mindset that we have when we can't accept defeat.
Well, oftentimes, that's also the case but sometimes we may doubt something about the game because there are these instances that a player could've produced more numbers or either they can make that shot/goal but it didn't happen and it resulted to a loss in our side as that's where we gambled. But if we look closely, they are also human beings who could make some errors along the way.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: bittraffic on June 24, 2022, 03:35:17 PM
Therefore, identifying a rigged game might no be easy to spot on. It does require the cooperation of everyone involved in that line of sport to make it unnoticeable.

And to some PH basketball enthusiasts out there, if you remember the rigged games that happen in the local league here, fixing the game was done successfully and smoothly because players and coaching staff cooperate on it. No need for referees to do some double works to make the game rigged.

Unfortunately, that rigged game was too obvious and all involved individuals faced the wrath of the law.

Should be a good example for those who will still attempt to fix the match. It was heavily condemned here because instead of being thankful that these players, coaches, and staff still has a job even under pandemic, they still do shitty things that are not acceptable.
I have always thought that anyone that was caught fixing games should be banned forever from the sport, some may think this is exaggerated but I do not think so, they damage the sport to the point the credibility of it is put into question, and if enough people get discouraged by this then it is likely they will lose a massive amount of fans due to the scandal, so in order to prevent that it is better to punish those which fixed the games as harshly as possible.

I always thought fixing match means they conspire with the opponent and they do some fake knockouts but seem easy to spot this kind of fix game. But this kind of corruption is much deeper since its the sports organization itself is making it which the athlete themselves have no knowledge the fight is fixed. Which a champ athlete with a declining wining rate is matched to a newly rising athlete to make money from the crowd and the bookies too.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: passwordnow on June 24, 2022, 04:11:29 PM
Therefore, identifying a rigged game might no be easy to spot on. It does require the cooperation of everyone involved in that line of sport to make it unnoticeable.
It's totally difficult and sometimes we suspect games that have been rigged because we bet for the losing team. And that makes us think that the game is unacceptable because we're wrong with our bets or with the teams that we're supporting.
Out of frustration, we're thinking that there's magic with the result even though it's visible and clear that there's no cheat, no rig but just pure game and the winning team deserves it. This is the thought and mindset that we have when we can't accept defeat.
Well, oftentimes, that's also the case but sometimes we may doubt something about the game because there are these instances that a player could've produced more numbers or either they can make that shot/goal but it didn't happen and it resulted to a loss in our side as that's where we gambled. But if we look closely, they are also human beings who could make some errors along the way.
It does really happens that we think that it's a fixed match or game but we're also wrong with it. That intuition of us tells us that we're right with what we suspect.
But in reality, you have no proof to back that feeling of yours and that's a problem if you can't prove and you're just feeling it that it's been rigged.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: dataispower on June 24, 2022, 04:16:38 PM
Sometimes I van stop to wonder how the outcome of the final result of games, I have had hard match-fixing before but I can't tell if that is possible in all games. Sports games can easily be predicted and what makes them predictable will make room for some sort of fixing any way their all gamble the outcome is always based on luck.
the only process whereby sport them can be predictable is because it is a game or performance what is visualised by everyone so constant viewing of the game will enable you to determine or predict correctly or accurately for a particular group or a particular seat that will defeat each other because of what you have observed during their past event so that is different, and secondly I agree with you that it is a game of luck because a particular group can perform absolutely better for this present game why in second term or second round due to the Futuring of the game it will not be strong like their previous setup that made You to predict that definitely they will win because of it initial performance


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: mm2543363580 on June 24, 2022, 09:47:25 PM
Sometimes I van stop to wonder how the outcome of the final result of games, I have had hard match-fixing before but I can't tell if that is possible in all games. Sports games can easily be predicted and what makes them predictable will make room for some sort of fixing any way their all gamble the outcome is always based on luck.
the only process whereby sport them can be predictable is because it is a game or performance what is visualised by everyone so constant viewing of the game will enable you to determine or predict correctly or accurately for a particular group or a particular seat that will defeat each other because of what you have observed during their past event so that is different, and secondly I agree with you that it is a game of luck because a particular group can perform absolutely better for this present game why in second term or second round due to the Futuring of the game it will not be strong like their previous setup that made You to predict that definitely they will win because of it initial performance
Now it is not easy to make guesses weather the match is fixed or not. Earlier it was easy to decide.
Now with the advancement of technology - everyone has got smarter. Even the bookie too.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Fatunad on June 24, 2022, 11:59:40 PM
Sometimes I van stop to wonder how the outcome of the final result of games, I have had hard match-fixing before but I can't tell if that is possible in all games. Sports games can easily be predicted and what makes them predictable will make room for some sort of fixing any way their all gamble the outcome is always based on luck.
the only process whereby sport them can be predictable is because it is a game or performance what is visualised by everyone so constant viewing of the game will enable you to determine or predict correctly or accurately for a particular group or a particular seat that will defeat each other because of what you have observed during their past event so that is different, and secondly I agree with you that it is a game of luck because a particular group can perform absolutely better for this present game why in second term or second round due to the Futuring of the game it will not be strong like their previous setup that made You to predict that definitely they will win because of it initial performance
Now it is not easy to make guesses weather the match is fixed or not. Earlier it was easy to decide.
Now with the advancement of technology - everyone has got smarter. Even the bookie too.
Making fixed or rigged matches cant really be possibly be done or would be on that obvious manner or else the would know on what would be the consequences which is
usually cant really be possible on big leagues or competition or tourneys but for local ones then i might believe  that this could still really be happening but it is really
always been a challenge nor  really a hard thing to determine which one is rigged and which one is normal.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Lordhermes on June 25, 2022, 04:48:45 AM
It is super hard to dictect a fixed match or a fixed fight  because the two parties involved won't open up and tell anyone,they will keep it to themselve,.The only thing that will make you want to suspect is when there is a kind of slowness in the fight,or in football,they give unnecessary coners or penalties that will lead to goal.But I can conclude that when games are fixed,the both parties or team usually end up in a draw.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: peter0425 on June 25, 2022, 04:58:26 AM
It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.
what we can only hold is speculate unless there is a concrete evidence that will pull the trigger , Because if this can be seen and told that easy then maybe all those fixers and involved on that cheating are already gone on that said sports.

But there are strong seen in which you can tell that it is fixed and if you are a sports lover of that certain occasion ? then if can be easily for you to understand what is happening.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Bttzed03 on June 25, 2022, 10:14:31 AM
You want to see a good example? Just watch this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6Kl1XidMHY). It's hilarious that some fighters are just so bad at acting that you can immediately see if they intentionally gave/sold the match.  That is probably the second fight I've seen where it's so obvious. The first one I watched live during an event organized by our local municipality.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: mm2543363580 on June 25, 2022, 12:00:55 PM
You want to see a good example? Just watch this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6Kl1XidMHY). It's hilarious that some fighters are just so bad at acting that you can immediately see if they intentionally gave/sold the match.  That is probably the second fight I've seen where it's so obvious. The first one I watched live during an event organized by our local municipality.
Lol - this is so funny. These kind of matches are planned matches to have some viewerships and rating and also to create hype around.
I thought in modern time it is not very common . . but it is also very popular these days.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: AicecreaME on June 25, 2022, 12:35:14 PM
It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

It's hard, to be honest.

Because if your instinct told you that a fight was fixed because the player who has a lot of advantages against his opponent, then it could be fixed, especially if the opponent has much money and power compare to the player who has the advantages when it comes to a certain sport. But of course even though it was fixed for example, there's no way you could take a refund or something, because that won't go out easily in the media or in the sports industry.

A fixed game or a fight is confidential, therefore both parties are discussing it. The other one is after the title, and the other one is after the money.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Maslate on June 25, 2022, 01:19:30 PM

A fixed game or a fight is confidential, therefore both parties are discussing it. The other one is after the title, and the other one is after the money.

But there's always a chance that the information is leaked, remember that no secrets are safe when the purpose is cheating. Fix game is hard to find though unless you are from the inside or you have inside information, but it's operated by a syndicate so it's a very risky idea to associate with these people.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: mirakal on June 25, 2022, 02:29:45 PM

A fixed game or a fight is confidential, therefore both parties are discussing it. The other one is after the title, and the other one is after the money.

But there's always a chance that the information is leaked, remember that no secrets are safe when the purpose is cheating. Fix game is hard to find though unless you are from the inside or you have inside information, but it's operated by a syndicate so it's a very risky idea to associate with these people.

Yes, there is and I believe that an illegal secret is ain't that safe because time will come that it would be leaked, they better pray that there's no mole inside their circle. Although, most of the time we are only speculating about it because of some fight that is already too unbelievable to happen but we can't know for sure because luck is also one of the huge factor.

Anyway, speaking about rigged games/fight. There's this speculation about Jake Paul vs Tyroon Woodley that the latter was forced to get KO'd and videos are surfacing in the internet about what was Jake Paul is trying to say in the ring moments before Woodley got KO'd. What do you think about it guys?


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Bttzed03 on June 25, 2022, 02:54:29 PM
You want to see a good example? Just watch this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6Kl1XidMHY). It's hilarious that some fighters are just so bad at acting that you can immediately see if they intentionally gave/sold the match.  That is probably the second fight I've seen where it's so obvious. The first one I watched live during an event organized by our local municipality.
Lol - this is so funny. These kind of matches are planned matches to have some viewerships and rating and also to create hype around.
I can't say I completely agree but there's a possibility. Usually, match fixing is related to gambling. Also, it's just odd to use fake fights for that purpose because it will surely draw a lot of negative criticisms/feedback. It does more harm than good IMO. Maybe they are thinking bad publicity is still publicity?

I thought in modern time it is not very common . . but it is also very popular these days.
It's not common in most, if not all, highly popular sports organizations like the UFC (for MMA) or NBA (for basketball) but they still exist in less known sporting events. Too bad for them that it spreads like wildfire because of smart phones and social media.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: ReiMomo on June 25, 2022, 06:47:05 PM
Have heard of the fix in IPL cricket match conducted few years back. There were few easy catches missed and the opponent easily own the match. I think it was a semi-final if I am not wrong. It was obvious. So I am sure it happens with all other sports around especially when it targets to the final. Whoever gets paid much, get themselves lost. At times a team as a whole is paid, but at times a particular player who seems to be an important figure, is paid and gets trapped.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: CryptopreneurBrainboss on June 25, 2022, 08:16:55 PM
It is super hard to dictect a fixed match or a fixed fight  because the two parties involved won't open up and tell anyone,they will keep it to themselve,.The only thing that will make you want to suspect is when there is a kind of slowness in the fight,or in football,they give unnecessary coners or penalties that will lead to goal.But I can conclude that when games are fixed,the both parties or team usually end up in a draw.

The football games fixing is what I hate the most and yes the scorelines are usually in draws of 0-0, 1-1 or 2-2. It very obvious but we think it's just the luck of the opponent. You'll see a team leading comfortably then all of a sudden they start paying badly and giving the other team an opportunity to equalize the game. This fixing are using notice when smaller clubs are playing as I doubt the big clubs will go so low for such fixing when they can easily win their games.

Days of Sir Alex Ferguson when he was managing Manchester united, you could easily see that the league was corrupt with game fixing by the officials. Manchester united could be losing and all of a sudden they gets free kicks in dangerous zones and penalty for the easiest touch in the penalty box, thankfully those days are over and now they're getting the karmas.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: goinmerry on June 25, 2022, 10:55:07 PM
Anyway, speaking about rigged games/fight. There's this speculation about Jake Paul vs Tyroon Woodley that the latter was forced to get KO'd and videos are surfacing in the internet about what was Jake Paul is trying to say in the ring moments before Woodley got KO'd. What do you think about it guys?

Not sure until some official news was raised about it. But for me, as long as Paul brothers are involved, I believed there will be always a shit that will happen behind the script. The reputation of these Paul brothers is not so good that the community thinks they are just ruining the sports of boxing.

They are playing with the bookies. They will find a way to lure people to bet on their match as they know many wants to see them being defeated. That's how these brothers do business and not just they will sacrifice their bodies for nothing.

I'm against these Paul brothers so I will now conclude your shared rumor is true lol.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Distinctin on June 26, 2022, 06:10:20 PM
Anyway, speaking about rigged games/fight. There's this speculation about Jake Paul vs Tyroon Woodley that the latter was forced to get KO'd and videos are surfacing in the internet about what was Jake Paul is trying to say in the ring moments before Woodley got KO'd. What do you think about it guys?

Not sure until some official news was raised about it. But for me, as long as Paul brothers are involved, I believed there will be always a shit that will happen behind the script. The reputation of these Paul brothers is not so good that the community thinks they are just ruining the sports of boxing.

They are playing with the bookies. They will find a way to lure people to bet on their match as they know many wants to see them being defeated. That's how these brothers do business and not just they will sacrifice their bodies for nothing.

I'm against these Paul brothers so I will now conclude your shared rumor is true lol.

I also bumped a video across YouTube about that said fight, well, there was some exchange of words from both boxers before Woodley was knocked out. I mean, that punch was too real to say that's rigged but the video says it all and Jake Paul's mouth can be read.

About the Paul brothers, yeah they're literally ruining the boxing industry and using it as a venue where they can milk more money as they also have a huge fan base on the internet. Jake's record was neither impressive as his foes are just making some debuts and the same goes for his brother, Logan for trying to make nonsense exhibition matches.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Fredomago on June 26, 2022, 06:14:22 PM

A fixed game or a fight is confidential, therefore both parties are discussing it. The other one is after the title, and the other one is after the money.

But there's always a chance that the information is leaked, remember that no secrets are safe when the purpose is cheating. Fix game is hard to find though unless you are from the inside or you have inside information, but it's operated by a syndicate so it's a very risky idea to associate with these people.

Yes, there is and I believe that an illegal secret is ain't that safe because time will come that it would be leaked, they better pray that there's no mole inside their circle. Although, most of the time we are only speculating about it because of some fight that is already too unbelievable to happen but we can't know for sure because luck is also one of the huge factor.

Anyway, speaking about rigged games/fight. There's this speculation about Jake Paul vs Tyroon Woodley that the latter was forced to get KO'd and videos are surfacing in the internet about what was Jake Paul is trying to say in the ring moments before Woodley got KO'd. What do you think about it guys?
There's always condition in any kind of fixed game or fixed fight and it's really not easy to detect them or prove whether it's true or just a speculation, people who lose always finds possible things that the game was rigged or the fight was rigged though there are really something unusual when watching the fight in the replay.

It's something that only the two party knows and nothing else, insiders or those who part of this activity will never leak the kind of actions as it can also ruin the conditions.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Issa56 on June 26, 2022, 10:32:30 PM
It's difficult to tell when a game is fixed, in my opinion, because the two teams won't really show it. Instead, they'll try to play their best, but they will intentionally make some silly mistakes that will let you know the game is fixed. On the other hand, some games won't be fixed, but there will still be silly mistakes, making it difficult to be sure. In football, especially, anything can happen, so you can't just assume that because a small club wins the club topping the table, that means the match was fixed. Sometimes the match will be fixed but you won't know it, and you might think the small club is lucky not to have known that the match was fixed.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: harizen on June 26, 2022, 10:55:08 PM
Anyway, speaking about rigged games/fight. There's this speculation about Jake Paul vs Tyroon Woodley that the latter was forced to get KO'd and videos are surfacing in the internet about what was Jake Paul is trying to say in the ring moments before Woodley got KO'd. What do you think about it guys?

That was too smooth for a rigged. Before that Knock Out punch, everything is doing fine on both sides and you can't even think that it's a rigged.

Even though I watched some related videos to see how it's done, we don't know what happened on that. It's a perfect rigged if that's really rigged and all I can say is if they can pull out that smooth act, what's more to their future fights?

I want to disregard the rigged since Woodley isn't really an impressive fighter after all before that fight. Comes from a 4-consecutive loss and is almost at the end of his career. They just do the fight for entertainment purposes to grab some money.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Silberman on June 27, 2022, 05:22:27 PM
It's difficult to tell when a game is fixed, in my opinion, because the two teams won't really show it. Instead, they'll try to play their best, but they will intentionally make some silly mistakes that will let you know the game is fixed. On the other hand, some games won't be fixed, but there will still be silly mistakes, making it difficult to be sure. In football, especially, anything can happen, so you can't just assume that because a small club wins the club topping the table, that means the match was fixed. Sometimes the match will be fixed but you won't know it, and you might think the small club is lucky not to have known that the match was fixed.
As you say just by watching the game it is very difficult to determine if a game is fixed or not, however there are sometimes examples that are so obvious that people immediately complain that there is something going on with such games, and there are several examples of that, however most of the time what happens is that someone talks too much about what they were doing and this gets to the right people and then they decide to launch an investigation about the event and they find out there was in fact a manipulation of the game, then this becomes public and as you may guess a huge scandal follows.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: mindrust on June 27, 2022, 05:27:12 PM
It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

No I can't tell it unless it is too obvious. I've seen goalkeepers (football) acting super stupid before and there was no other explanation for those games. They were fixed. Since I don't watch the other sports like basketball, boxing etc... I don't know anything about those games so It is extremely hard for me to tell anything about them. If you are a regular watcher and a fan of those sports, you could probably tell though. If the favorite side/player acting stupid for no reason > the game is fixed


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Fatunad on June 27, 2022, 07:26:57 PM
It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

No I can't tell it unless it is too obvious. I've seen goalkeepers (football) acting super stupid before and there was no other explanation for those games. They were fixed. Since I don't watch the other sports like basketball, boxing etc... I don't know anything about those games so It is extremely hard for me to tell anything about them. If you are a regular watcher and a fan of those sports, you could probably tell though. If the favorite side/player acting stupid for no reason > the game is fixed
When you are really having that experience and awareness on a particular sports then you would really be noticing odd actions which would really be normal for you to say that there's  something wrong or shall we say that it is really that fixed but as long it wont really be getting any legal action then all the thing we can do is to complain deeply inside but its impossible that obvious fixed game actions wont really
be getting any consequences after that.We do know that they arent that dumb to make things on being caught easily thats why its really hard to tell whether its a fixed one or simply a bad night for any team
or players involved but we know that there's always a probability about match fixing.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Russlenat on June 28, 2022, 04:42:30 PM
It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

No I can't tell it unless it is too obvious. I've seen goalkeepers (football) acting super stupid before and there was no other explanation for those games. They were fixed. Since I don't watch the other sports like basketball, boxing etc... I don't know anything about those games so It is extremely hard for me to tell anything about them. If you are a regular watcher and a fan of those sports, you could probably tell though. If the favorite side/player acting stupid for no reason > the game is fixed
Ofcourse, we can tell if there's something fishy because we've been watching our preferred sports for a long time so we will really know if the game/fight is rigged. Anyhow, we will just feel discouraged about that fact but we will always find ourselves watching the same sport ;D

I believe that rigging of games or fight are still common in low league sports and not in big events, they quite know that it is too risky if they will rigged a big event.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Distinctin on June 28, 2022, 05:57:10 PM
Anyway, speaking about rigged games/fight. There's this speculation about Jake Paul vs Tyroon Woodley that the latter was forced to get KO'd and videos are surfacing in the internet about what was Jake Paul is trying to say in the ring moments before Woodley got KO'd. What do you think about it guys?

That was too smooth for a rigged. Before that Knock Out punch, everything is doing fine on both sides and you can't even think that it's a rigged.

Even though I watched some related videos to see how it's done, we don't know what happened on that. It's a perfect rigged if that's really rigged and all I can say is if they can pull out that smooth act, what's more to their future fights?

I want to disregard the rigged since Woodley isn't really an impressive fighter after all before that fight. Comes from a 4-consecutive loss and is almost at the end of his career. They just do the fight for entertainment purposes to grab some money.

I would say that there are some points to consider and that verbal actions by Jake weren't meant to get into Woodley's head but that knock-out punch happened suddenly and I can slightly say that Woodley could've avoided that as he came from MMA but he turned to be an inexperienced fighter against Jake. I don't know but for me, even if how many wins Jake could attain, I can't still be impressed unless it's against a known heavy names in the industry.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: KTChampions on June 28, 2022, 08:22:58 PM
No I can't tell it unless it is too obvious. I've seen goalkeepers (football) acting super stupid before and there was no other explanation for those games. They were fixed. Since I don't watch the other sports like basketball, boxing etc... I don't know anything about those games so It is extremely hard for me to tell anything about them. If you are a regular watcher and a fan of those sports, you could probably tell though. If the favorite side/player acting stupid for no reason > the game is fixed

I know a couple of cases in the history of football in my country that most fans consider as obviously fixed games. In one case, the goalkeeper of the team conceded two goals in very stupid positions, despite the fact that his team had no tournament goals and for the opposing team a victory was necessary to take the gold. Two goals from the team in white on the conscience of the goalkeeper:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JcJygCyRl4
The story of the whole scandal is here (in Russian):
https://www.championat.com/football/article-4010991-kak-igroka-zenita-obvinili-v-sdache-matcha-spartaku-detali-istorii-romana-berezovskogo.html
The bottom line is that after a couple of years the truth came out, but only those who publicly said that it was a match-fixing were punished  ;D


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Slow death on June 28, 2022, 08:36:34 PM
It is super hard to dictect a fixed match or a fixed fight  because the two parties involved won't open up and tell anyone,they will keep it to themselve,.The only thing that will make you want to suspect is when there is a kind of slowness in the fight,or in football,they give unnecessary coners or penalties that will lead to goal.But I can conclude that when games are fixed,the both parties or team usually end up in a draw.

in recent years the most common way of identifying manipulated games or Fix is paying attention to the attitudes of the referee of the game, the referees are the guys who are manipulating the games, they receive money to favor a certain team, it is true that with the technology that is being implemented in soccer it is increasingly difficult for games to be manipulated and the referees have not had much space to favor a certain team, but the same cannot be said in sports and fights, especially those fights that involve famous fighters and which are fights scheduled many months in advance


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Smartvirus on June 28, 2022, 10:11:00 PM
in recent years the most common way of identifying manipulated games or Fix is paying attention to the attitudes of the referee of the game, the referees are the guys who are manipulating the games, they receive money to favor a certain team, it is true that with the technology that is being implemented in soccer it is increasingly difficult for games to be manipulated and the referees have not had much space to favor a certain team, but the same cannot be said in sports and fights, especially those fights that involve famous fighters and which are fights scheduled many months in advance
No doubt, the referee is the cleasest way to determine a fixed game as the players seems to play with same energy steal and maybe with just a little hold back and for football, being more greedy with the ball but even still, it's extremely difficult to detect. Your years of expertise counts very little here because, a lot is on the line, from the career of the referee, the manager of the club, board of management and others that could be banned permanently from the game. So, the presences of a federation to ensure that these match fixes never happens have almost zero the chances to it and when it does, you might never tell.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: ethereumhunter on June 28, 2022, 11:02:21 PM
Ofcourse, we can tell if there's something fishy because we've been watching our preferred sports for a long time so we will really know if the game/fight is rigged. Anyhow, we will just feel discouraged about that fact but we will always find ourselves watching the same sport ;D

I believe that rigging of games or fight are still common in low league sports and not in big events, they quite know that it is too risky if they will rigged a big event.
Even if we know something is suspicious, we won't be able to do much because we are just ordinary citizens with no power to protest against the fraud. Unless someone sees that the match is rigged and he has the power to protest it, the protest can only succeed in attracting public attention. Fraud can happen without the public knowing it because the people who organize the fraud have the power to control the people around them. So we can only allow cheating even though we know it.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: rojan on June 29, 2022, 02:02:39 AM
Therefore, identifying a rigged game might no be easy to spot on. It does require the cooperation of everyone involved in that line of sport to make it unnoticeable.
It's totally difficult and sometimes we suspect games that have been rigged because we bet for the losing team. And that makes us think that the game is unacceptable because we're wrong with our bets or with the teams that we're supporting.
Out of frustration, we're thinking that there's magic with the result even though it's visible and clear that there's no cheat, no rig but just pure game and the winning team deserves it. This is the thought and mindset that we have when we can't accept defeat.
The game is here but we sometimes suspect that there is a game for example where most of the numbers can be scored but the goal can be scored but if it doesn't happen then it will be seen that there is a lot for those who play here.  The downside, however, is that if you look closely, most people here choose the wrong path


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: famososMuertos on June 29, 2022, 04:58:12 PM
It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

The reality is that there is no technology that guarantees us the PF as we do with traditional games and I mention it because we are in a cryptographic betting environment or niche, so it seems obvious.

Trust is a simple adjective but it defines where you should place a bet (casino) and in which sports (countries, leagues, tournaments, etc).
Sometimes I see soccer games  in certain countries, and..., let's say they have a first division category that one can presume that; First they are affiliated with Fifa, which country is not? there are more countries affiliated to FiFa than to the UN, you know that their teams participate in international tournaments, but you don't know anything else, ok, but in that same country you get a game on a Wednesday night of the second or third division, so...this is easy, bet!, if the game is there it is already a bit of trust, but the sport (country, tournament, etc) is fulfilled in trust, yes?, no?

So, When we talk about ridiculous bets like $100 or less, it's my limit, it's a yes! Other amounts may be ridiculous depending on each person's bakroll, but putting $100,000 in a game like this (https://twitter.com/stakehighroller/status/1540894405225132032/photo/1), for example, something like that, is it a yes?

Re crazy! really! is a no, because any result can be rigged or fixed. There are many chances that it will happen.

The point of the above leads you to the answer, only bet on reliable events, that have a guarantee that the "chance"/odds of a fix is ​​reduced by a very high percentage, as much as something close to 99%, because the reality  or  what the proof show, there is not leagues as reliable (100%).

Then it is something always latent, hence the 1% in my guess, examples; the serie A, Calciopoli, had fixed soccer games, in the same way other leagues like the one in Brazil, etc.

In other sports, college basketball does not escape, there are many cases, and although I gave an example of the MLB, there is a very famous case in the 1919 world series, but for example, the MLB is currently one of the most reliable sports in the world to bet, referees, players, managers, everyone is closely watched like no other league, maybe in other sports the same thing is done but to make a big bet if there is a reliable sport it is the MLB.

The boxing! it is the one with the worst reputation and I wouldn't put anything there that affects my bankroll, in general that should be the approach.


where is the 1% examples:  :)

Black Sox Scandal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sox_Scandal

SerieA, Calciopoli.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calciopoli

Diego Costa
https://www.sportbible.com/football/news-diego-costa-at-the-centre-of-alleged-betting-scandal-20211001

2005 Brazilian football match-fixing scandal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Brazilian_football_match-fixing_scandal

Basketball has a whole "Universe" of cases, especially in college basketball, but this case is worthy of the "Rigged Universe".

*Christian Dawkins seeks new trial after FBI agent pleads guilty to gambling government money
https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/christian-dawkins-seeks-trial-fbi-agent-pleads-guilty/story?id=83162347

*It is important to say that this case mentions how a guy who was investigating another is involved with the use of state money to bet, on the other hand this "jewel" Christian Dawkins was brought to trial for the biggest bribery scandal in college basketball, it does not involve match-fixing, but it shows how bribery reaches any status in sport.

...the universe of rigged in college basketball:
Gambling Scandal Strikes Again Northwestern Players Face Federal Charges
https://www.spokesman.com/stories/1998/mar/27/gambling-scandal-strikes-again-northwestern/

In that case I even saw a documentary on net Flix, to summarize the following link that even includes the story of the previous link, then in which we can see the case of Pete rose, who even as a manager bet on his team, in his defense he said that "I never bet against" (lol) it's a shame that this guy for those of us who like baseball, he is not in the hall of fame, but the rules are the rules.

11 biggest scandals in sports gambling history
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/05/11-biggest-scandals-in-sports-gambling-history

...so, Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ? No, but it is very very possible that it happens, well at least in a percentage => 1%



Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: ChiBitCTy on June 29, 2022, 05:09:11 PM
A lot of people here with some interesting theories that’s for sure lol. I think the only fights/events that I’ve ever seen where I could “tell” that it’s fixed are exhibition fights.  For instance Jose Canseco recently fought a guy named billy from Barstool sports where Jose went down really easily and when we found out how much he made even as a loser of the fight, it just all added up and being clear to see it was a fixed fight.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: JohnBitCo on June 29, 2022, 05:13:01 PM
It is super hard to dictect a fixed match or a fixed fight  because the two parties involved won't open up and tell anyone,they will keep it to themselve,.The only thing that will make you want to suspect is when there is a kind of slowness in the fight,or in football,they give unnecessary coners or penalties that will lead to goal.But I can conclude that when games are fixed,the both parties or team usually end up in a draw.

in recent years the most common way of identifying manipulated games or Fix is paying attention to the attitudes of the referee of the game, the referees are the guys who are manipulating the games, they receive money to favor a certain team, it is true that with the technology that is being implemented in soccer it is increasingly difficult for games to be manipulated and the referees have not had much space to favor a certain team, but the same cannot be said in sports and fights, especially those fights that involve famous fighters and which are fights scheduled many months in advance


I doubt referees can play a part in match fixing. The reason is that even if the referee makes the wrong decision, in most games, it can be challenged by the third umpire or camera umpire.
Usually, the players are involved in match fixing. If you see the under performing without any reason, you can get the hint of match fixing.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: mirakal on June 29, 2022, 07:48:02 PM
A lot of people here with some interesting theories that’s for sure lol. I think the only fights/events that I’ve ever seen where I could “tell” that it’s fixed are exhibition fights.  For instance Jose Canseco recently fought a guy named billy from Barstool sports where Jose went down really easily and when we found out how much he made even as a loser of the fight, it just all added up and being clear to see it was a fixed fight.

Yes mate, that's for sure! :D An exhibition fight is clearly not to be viewed as a fair fight because both fighters know that the records won't be official and there's no judge to officiate the said fight. It was originally created that an exhibition fight is just a mere entertainment purpose to see these legendary fighters again but the Logan Brothers if you know them have really ruined these exhibition fights and also Mayweather.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Russlenat on June 29, 2022, 07:55:39 PM
Ofcourse, we can tell if there's something fishy because we've been watching our preferred sports for a long time so we will really know if the game/fight is rigged. Anyhow, we will just feel discouraged about that fact but we will always find ourselves watching the same sport ;D

I believe that rigging of games or fight are still common in low league sports and not in big events, they quite know that it is too risky if they will rigged a big event.
Even if we know something is suspicious, we won't be able to do much because we are just ordinary citizens with no power to protest against the fraud. Unless someone sees that the match is rigged and he has the power to protest it, the protest can only succeed in attracting public attention. Fraud can happen without the public knowing it because the people who organize the fraud have the power to control the people around them. So we can only allow cheating even though we know it.

Proving that a game is rigged comes with a price and it would take a long time just to prove that there is indeed a cheating happened in that certain match/game. As an ordinary citizens, we can only speculate it without having the chance to prove it because our voice is not that important compared to the minds who made the cheating happen.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Oilacris on June 29, 2022, 08:59:01 PM
Ofcourse, we can tell if there's something fishy because we've been watching our preferred sports for a long time so we will really know if the game/fight is rigged. Anyhow, we will just feel discouraged about that fact but we will always find ourselves watching the same sport ;D

I believe that rigging of games or fight are still common in low league sports and not in big events, they quite know that it is too risky if they will rigged a big event.
Even if we know something is suspicious, we won't be able to do much because we are just ordinary citizens with no power to protest against the fraud. Unless someone sees that the match is rigged and he has the power to protest it, the protest can only succeed in attracting public attention. Fraud can happen without the public knowing it because the people who organize the fraud have the power to control the people around them. So we can only allow cheating even though we know it.

Proving that a game is rigged comes with a price and it would take a long time just to prove that there is indeed a cheating happened in that certain match/game. As an ordinary citizens, we can only speculate it without having the chance to prove it because our voice is not that important compared to the minds who made the cheating happen.
Sad reality and as an ordinary citizen then what are the steps you would really be doing for them to proved out it was fixed? Get prepared on going against those big time fellas who manage that particular game and calling it fixed?

What you can do?
Who you would really tend to approach?
What would be your evidences?

For sure those questions above you cant really able to answer it out or doesnt
even know on how you would gonna deal with it thats why its better to ignore it out.  :D


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: livingfree on June 29, 2022, 11:15:23 PM
I doubt referees can play a part in match fixing. The reason is that even if the referee makes the wrong decision, in most games, it can be challenged by the third umpire or camera umpire.
In a lower league, a team can pay the referee but this was before. Today, if being done, it's going to be obvious and the referee will lose his job forever.

Usually, the players are involved in match fixing. If you see the under performing without any reason, you can get the hint of match fixing.
Yeah, on this matter. It's most likely the players have the bigger part of the match fixing. But to known leagues, this won't happen and if there's a suspicious, they will be subject immediately to an investigation.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: gunhell16 on June 30, 2022, 06:40:55 AM
It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

In the field of sport, I have seen many fights because there are actions such as basketball that lead to personal or physical pain while playing, and very rarely until the end of the game the result is still good and so on. is not. Even in other sports, the same thing happens as in football.


It's difficult to tell when a game is fixed, in my opinion, because the two teams won't really show it. Instead, they'll try to play their best, but they will intentionally make some silly mistakes that will let you know the game is fixed. On the other hand, some games won't be fixed, but there will still be silly mistakes, making it difficult to be sure. In football, especially, anything can happen, so you can't just assume that because a small club wins the club topping the table, that means the match was fixed. Sometimes the match will be fixed but you won't know it, and you might think the small club is lucky not to have known that the match was fixed.

That's true and correct, its too gard to find in the end that it is fix. But sometimes as I stated in the above it fixed before end of the games something like that.



Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: ethereumhunter on June 30, 2022, 08:17:46 AM
Ofcourse, we can tell if there's something fishy because we've been watching our preferred sports for a long time so we will really know if the game/fight is rigged. Anyhow, we will just feel discouraged about that fact but we will always find ourselves watching the same sport ;D

I believe that rigging of games or fight are still common in low league sports and not in big events, they quite know that it is too risky if they will rigged a big event.
Even if we know something is suspicious, we won't be able to do much because we are just ordinary citizens with no power to protest against the fraud. Unless someone sees that the match is rigged and he has the power to protest it, the protest can only succeed in attracting public attention. Fraud can happen without the public knowing it because the people who organize the fraud have the power to control the people around them. So we can only allow cheating even though we know it.

Proving that a game is rigged comes with a price and it would take a long time just to prove that there is indeed a cheating happened in that certain match/game. As an ordinary citizens, we can only speculate it without having the chance to prove it because our voice is not that important compared to the minds who made the cheating happen.
Precisely as ordinary citizens, we don't need to think about those rigged matches because we don't know how to prove it. It's better to enjoy the game without thinking about things because that's what we can do. The rest let the people behind the rigged matches suffer the consequences of what they did. And hopefully, the authorities can expose their fraud.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: savetheFORUM on June 30, 2022, 10:14:23 AM
Therefore, identifying a rigged game might no be easy to spot on. It does require the cooperation of everyone involved in that line of sport to make it unnoticeable.
It's totally difficult and sometimes we suspect games that have been rigged because we bet for the losing team. And that makes us think that the game is unacceptable because we're wrong with our bets or with the teams that we're supporting.
Out of frustration, we're thinking that there's magic with the result even though it's visible and clear that there's no cheat, no rig but just pure game and the winning team deserves it. This is the thought and mindset that we have when we can't accept defeat.
Of course it is hard because if they will make it is easy to spot on then they will be in big trouble. We shouldn't make a scandal if we have no concrete evidence to back up our claims because we are the ones that will look bad and we will be in big trouble if ever we are doing it in real life where our identity is known.

In online sports betting I think operators will not care anymore if the sports/match that they catered is fixed or not but their jobs is to simply make a game/betting out of it. If there's one that will be blamed for this then that must be the organizer of the game/match but it takes a lot of effort, time and money if you are serious about accusing them.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Silberman on June 30, 2022, 05:24:26 PM
Ofcourse, we can tell if there's something fishy because we've been watching our preferred sports for a long time so we will really know if the game/fight is rigged. Anyhow, we will just feel discouraged about that fact but we will always find ourselves watching the same sport ;D

I believe that rigging of games or fight are still common in low league sports and not in big events, they quite know that it is too risky if they will rigged a big event.
Even if we know something is suspicious, we won't be able to do much because we are just ordinary citizens with no power to protest against the fraud. Unless someone sees that the match is rigged and he has the power to protest it, the protest can only succeed in attracting public attention. Fraud can happen without the public knowing it because the people who organize the fraud have the power to control the people around them. So we can only allow cheating even though we know it.

Proving that a game is rigged comes with a price and it would take a long time just to prove that there is indeed a cheating happened in that certain match/game. As an ordinary citizens, we can only speculate it without having the chance to prove it because our voice is not that important compared to the minds who made the cheating happen.
It is true that a single person cannot do much especially since they are not going to have evidence of what they are witnessing and any authority can easily disregard what they are saying, however if a great deal of people think a particular event was fixed then as a group they can apply pressure for an investigation to take place, also those complains could reach the ears of the losing team or athlete and they could demand and investigation as well, so fans as a whole can still have an effect as long as they act as a group.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Fredomago on June 30, 2022, 06:59:33 PM
A lot of people here with some interesting theories that’s for sure lol. I think the only fights/events that I’ve ever seen where I could “tell” that it’s fixed are exhibition fights.  For instance Jose Canseco recently fought a guy named billy from Barstool sports where Jose went down really easily and when we found out how much he made even as a loser of the fight, it just all added up and being clear to see it was a fixed fight.

Yes mate, that's for sure! :D An exhibition fight is clearly not to be viewed as a fair fight because both fighters know that the records won't be official and there's no judge to officiate the said fight. It was originally created that an exhibition fight is just a mere entertainment purpose to see these legendary fighters again but the Logan Brothers if you know them have really ruined these exhibition fights and also Mayweather.

Ruined in terms of collecting more money ;D the Logan brothers managed to attract fans using their social media personalities they really made a huge amount profits using this kind of entertainment so with Mayweather, in terms of fixed fights we can't expect anything if we will relate this kind of connections with exhibition fights.

Fixed games are more into serious games or regular sports venues where rumors game fixing are ongoing but no can really tell

if the said activities are really existing, or this kind of rumors will continue just a rumors.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: CryptoYar on June 30, 2022, 07:19:04 PM
I doubt referees can play a part in match fixing. The reason is that even if the referee makes the wrong decision, in most games, it can be challenged by the third umpire or camera umpire.

(I don't know much about football, boxing, basketball, etc but since I am a cricket fan so can tell about it)

In cricket, Empire does not declare batsman out even though everyone can tell him that that was out. Of course, we can call it a human error if it happens once or twice but they keep repeating it.

Usually, the players are involved in match fixing. If you see the under performing without any reason, you can get the hint of match fixing.

Yes, it is true in most cases players fix matches. We can guess from the player's behavior that he's not playing sincerely.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Mahanton on June 30, 2022, 07:42:17 PM
Ofcourse, we can tell if there's something fishy because we've been watching our preferred sports for a long time so we will really know if the game/fight is rigged. Anyhow, we will just feel discouraged about that fact but we will always find ourselves watching the same sport ;D

I believe that rigging of games or fight are still common in low league sports and not in big events, they quite know that it is too risky if they will rigged a big event.
Even if we know something is suspicious, we won't be able to do much because we are just ordinary citizens with no power to protest against the fraud. Unless someone sees that the match is rigged and he has the power to protest it, the protest can only succeed in attracting public attention. Fraud can happen without the public knowing it because the people who organize the fraud have the power to control the people around them. So we can only allow cheating even though we know it.

Proving that a game is rigged comes with a price and it would take a long time just to prove that there is indeed a cheating happened in that certain match/game. As an ordinary citizens, we can only speculate it without having the chance to prove it because our voice is not that important compared to the minds who made the cheating happen.
It is true that a single person cannot do much especially since they are not going to have evidence of what they are witnessing and any authority can easily disregard what they are saying, however if a great deal of people think a particular event was fixed then as a group they can apply pressure for an investigation to take place, also those complains could reach the ears of the losing team or athlete and they could demand and investigation as well, so fans as a whole can still have an effect as long as they act as a group.
You are right because if you are the only one who would really be tending to argue out that it was fixed then it would be most likely to be ignored but when in groups then it could create out some noise
which can definitely or possibly able to reach out but of course this  doesnt only talk about small numbers of person but rather on the entire fans or supporters of such team where they are really
that complaining about the fairness of the game.We cant really deny that fixed games could really be possible but pointing it out or making out complaints would really be a challenge already
neither you would really be getting some attention but most of the time you would really get ignored or something that you cant do even if you do want to prove out at least.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on June 30, 2022, 11:22:57 PM
But in today's current status of high leagues, I doubt game-fixing is still happening.

There are sports that are easier to fix.  Those that rely on judges is the best candidate.  Aside from that, there are seldom instances where a referee's call is out of the blue.  It is either someone bought that referee or it is part of the sports commission's plan to support or build up a certain team or player.

Not as easy when people are starting to doubt that. Without the player's cooperation it would become too obvious of a thing.
Let's say If a boxing judge is trying rig the match, he would become very obvious on the results on his score card which will automatically contradicts on the other 2 judges, especially when there is a huge difference in scoring the match.
Now, for basketball if the referee is trying to rig the game, his calls might be too obvious as well especially during crunch time where referees decisions are very critical.

Therefore, identifying a rigged game might no be easy to spot on. It does require the cooperation of everyone involved in that line of sport to make it unnoticeable.
Well this is a practice that many are already aware of these things, the truth is I think that after seeing the robbery that was done in the past Olympics in boxing it is something obvious that on occasion any person is capable of realizing it, for me At that moment I felt a lot of anger, and just as it happened in such a special event, where everything is "supposedly transparent" it means that it happens in other competitions.

The case of Italy vs. South Korea, in a World Cup, a totally biased referee made Italy win South Korea, the referee discovered that he was drunk, and later he was imprisoned because a drug shipment was passing, so these things They are the ones that still fight in sports so that it doesn't happen anymore.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: agustina2 on June 30, 2022, 11:59:17 PM
I doubt referees can play a part in match fixing. The reason is that even if the referee makes the wrong decision, in most games, it can be challenged by the third umpire or camera umpire.
Usually, the players are involved in match fixing. If you see the under performing without any reason, you can get the hint of match fixing.

No. It's the officiating was involved mostly and not the players. Who is able to control the game result and can manipulate it? The referees. They are playing a big role in the game results regardless of the player's performance. They can turn around the situation with their wrong officiating by doing intentional calls.

Players can't just involve in game-fixing. It's prone to detection and it needs the entire players to participate in the game-fixing and not just only a few. And challenging referees' decisions are just bound to happen later on and not in the actual game.

The referee's decision is always final and if found wrong by the league officials, they will just suspend that involved referee and everything is now fine again.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Fredomago on July 01, 2022, 06:30:30 PM
I doubt referees can play a part in match fixing. The reason is that even if the referee makes the wrong decision, in most games, it can be challenged by the third umpire or camera umpire.
Usually, the players are involved in match fixing. If you see the under performing without any reason, you can get the hint of match fixing.

No. It's the officiating was involved mostly and not the players. Who is able to control the game result and can manipulate it? The referees. They are playing a big role in the game results regardless of the player's performance. They can turn around the situation with their wrong officiating by doing intentional calls.

Players can't just involve in game-fixing. It's prone to detection and it needs the entire players to participate in the game-fixing and not just only a few. And challenging referees' decisions are just bound to happen later on and not in the actual game.

The referee's decision is always final and if found wrong by the league officials, they will just suspend that involved referee and everything is now fine again.
The participation of the officiating refs do have a big influenced with the outcome of the games, not just the players but more on the sides of those people who are controlling the game, I'm not really sure if how those refs getting suspended or I mean if how long they will be out after calling a wrong violation.

They'll be forgotten after the suspensions and again can do another manipulating call. Fixers also include refs

as they understand that players are prone to being caught while officials are at the next resort.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: mirakal on July 01, 2022, 06:44:15 PM
A lot of people here with some interesting theories that’s for sure lol. I think the only fights/events that I’ve ever seen where I could “tell” that it’s fixed are exhibition fights.  For instance Jose Canseco recently fought a guy named billy from Barstool sports where Jose went down really easily and when we found out how much he made even as a loser of the fight, it just all added up and being clear to see it was a fixed fight.

Yes mate, that's for sure! :D An exhibition fight is clearly not to be viewed as a fair fight because both fighters know that the records won't be official and there's no judge to officiate the said fight. It was originally created that an exhibition fight is just a mere entertainment purpose to see these legendary fighters again but the Logan Brothers if you know them have really ruined these exhibition fights and also Mayweather.

Ruined in terms of collecting more money ;D the Logan brothers managed to attract fans using their social media personalities they really made a huge amount profits using this kind of entertainment so with Mayweather, in terms of fixed fights we can't expect anything if we will relate this kind of connections with exhibition fights.

Fixed games are more into serious games or regular sports venues where rumors game fixing are ongoing but no can really tell

if the said activities are really existing, or this kind of rumors will continue just a rumors.


Both said personalities are taking advantage of their fame to collect money using the boxing industry as a place to milk themselves. Logan Brothers were first known in vlogs and short clips that's why they have their own set of huge fan base that will actually support them as they decide to set their foot on the ring while Mayweather managed to carve his name as a boxer but even having a flawless record doesn't keep him away for bashers who don't believe that he can have a flawless record.

I agree that as per fixed games, it will remain a rumor and a speculation unless there will be some people who will stand up for it and begin an investigation and as long as it's not proven then it's safe to assume that these things are actually rumor.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Finestream on July 01, 2022, 07:54:17 PM
It is super hard to dictect a fixed match or a fixed fight  because the two parties involved won't open up and tell anyone,they will keep it to themselve,.The only thing that will make you want to suspect is when there is a kind of slowness in the fight,or in football,they give unnecessary coners or penalties that will lead to goal.But I can conclude that when games are fixed,the both parties or team usually end up in a draw.
You can only tell that a game or event is fixed because there will be odds happening and as someone who is also good in the event, it’s easy to trace and detect if there’s any. It may be some fault of judges, or the event’s organizer, but one thing is certain, the team who wins have taken advantage on the event, while leaving the underdog team in great despair.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Fortify on July 01, 2022, 08:03:41 PM
It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

It's probably easier to tell if a fight is a fix than most of the other sports you list, as there are only two people to focus on and anyone who watches them often could build an idea of their fighting style. A lot of match fixing is intended to be as subtle and undetectable as ever, so you'd still be guessing unless they are blatant (which would probably provoke detailed investigation). The only time you're likely to detect it easily is if both fighters are trying to lose.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Maslate on July 03, 2022, 05:18:16 PM
The case of Italy vs. South Korea, in a World Cup, a totally biased referee made Italy win South Korea, the referee discovered that he was drunk, and later he was imprisoned because a drug shipment was passing, so these things They are the ones that still fight in sports so that it doesn't happen anymore.

But I seriously think that it was deeper than that, we may also have speculations about that case but we can't justify it but I feel that there were some strings pulled so that the result won't be complex enough and the referee will carry all the burden that's why the result says that he was just drunk that time and a drug shipment was found out too.

These refs are more prone to be forced to make the game fixed because the minds behind the curtain are powerful enough to blackmail or threaten the referee.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: mm2543363580 on July 03, 2022, 08:16:58 PM
The case of Italy vs. South Korea, in a World Cup, a totally biased referee made Italy win South Korea, the referee discovered that he was drunk, and later he was imprisoned because a drug shipment was passing, so these things They are the ones that still fight in sports so that it doesn't happen anymore.

But I seriously think that it was deeper than that, we may also have speculations about that case but we can't justify it but I feel that there were some strings pulled so that the result won't be complex enough and the referee will carry all the burden that's why the result says that he was just drunk that time and a drug shipment was found out too.

These refs are more prone to be forced to make the game fixed because the minds behind the curtain are powerful enough to blackmail or threaten the referee.

I think people are more concerned about many other important things in their life rather than just focusing on match fixing. Yes gamblers have a different mind set. But people interests are inclined to many other things these days. There are so much distraction that sometime we too forget these small things like match fixing and other stuff...


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Fredomago on July 03, 2022, 09:04:01 PM

I agree that as per fixed games, it will remain a rumor and a speculation unless there will be some people who will stand up for it and begin an investigation and as long as it's not proven then it's safe to assume that these things are actually rumor.

Locally, there are attempts to expose those kinds of activities but a magic hands coming from nowhere easily remove any rumor about it and the individuals who attempt to bring it out either stop the claim or being ignored. Fixed games will continue to run the business without any doubts, though again, it's tough to recognize and every speculation will remain at it is until something will be proven that the game is being manipulated.

Nonetheless, only those who are involved will also continue to enjoy the luxury of keep sucking their winnings after settling the game.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Naficopa on July 03, 2022, 10:14:24 PM

I agree that as per fixed games, it will remain a rumor and a speculation unless there will be some people who will stand up for it and begin an investigation and as long as it's not proven then it's safe to assume that these things are actually rumor.

Locally, there are attempts to expose those kinds of activities but a magic hands coming from nowhere easily remove any rumor about it and the individuals who attempt to bring it out either stop the claim or being ignored. Fixed games will continue to run the business without any doubts, though again, it's tough to recognize and every speculation will remain at it is until something will be proven that the game is being manipulated.

Nonetheless, only those who are involved will also continue to enjoy the luxury of keep sucking their winnings after settling the game.
Surprisingly match fixing goes in all the direction. There is game beyond every game and one who can see that hidden game is the winner.
In this upsetting time. People are getting more into sports gaming.But than again not everyone will have an ability to read between the lines.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Silberman on July 04, 2022, 05:35:00 PM
I doubt referees can play a part in match fixing. The reason is that even if the referee makes the wrong decision, in most games, it can be challenged by the third umpire or camera umpire.
Usually, the players are involved in match fixing. If you see the under performing without any reason, you can get the hint of match fixing.

No. It's the officiating was involved mostly and not the players. Who is able to control the game result and can manipulate it? The referees. They are playing a big role in the game results regardless of the player's performance. They can turn around the situation with their wrong officiating by doing intentional calls.

Players can't just involve in game-fixing. It's prone to detection and it needs the entire players to participate in the game-fixing and not just only a few. And challenging referees' decisions are just bound to happen later on and not in the actual game.

The referee's decision is always final and if found wrong by the league officials, they will just suspend that involved referee and everything is now fine again.
We need to also consider that at the top of any sport a star athlete will be earning a fortune not only from his salary or the prize money that he earns, but also a lot of money will come from promoting several products and brands so it is much more difficult to bribe them, referees on the other hand regardless of how well they could be paid by their leagues still receive a very low salary in comparison, so it is way easier to bribe them so they fix a match.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Maslate on July 04, 2022, 06:25:12 PM

I agree that as per fixed games, it will remain a rumor and a speculation unless there will be some people who will stand up for it and begin an investigation and as long as it's not proven then it's safe to assume that these things are actually rumor.

Locally, there are attempts to expose those kinds of activities but a magic hands coming from nowhere easily remove any rumor about it and the individuals who attempt to bring it out either stop the claim or being ignored. Fixed games will continue to run the business without any doubts, though again, it's tough to recognize and every speculation will remain at it is until something will be proven that the game is being manipulated.

Nonetheless, only those who are involved will also continue to enjoy the luxury of keep sucking their winnings after settling the game.

That is somehow expected to happen because they also have the right connection to make the rumor sounds nonsense to believe or else they will pay huge load of cash to those individuals who are going to expose them. But if those two scenarios stated won't suffice to stop that certain individual to expose them then I think they are also prepared to get in a messy way. We know that there's actually a business like that, so I expect that their circle is full of powerful people to make the job easy.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: bitgov on July 04, 2022, 06:48:44 PM

That is somehow expected to happen because they also have the right connection to make the rumor sounds nonsense to believe or else they will pay huge load of cash to those individuals who are going to expose them. But if those two scenarios stated won't suffice to stop that certain individual to expose them then I think they are also prepared to get in a messy way. We know that there's actually a business like that, so I expect that their circle is full of powerful people to make the job easy.
Propaganda and rumors play a vital role in the everything. Some businesses face serious downfalls after the propaganda.
I have seen many brands being badly affected due to rumors and propaganda. But these tricks and techniques does not last for long.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: carlisle1 on July 05, 2022, 01:35:53 PM
We need to also consider that at the top of any sport a star athlete will be earning a fortune not only from his salary or the prize money that he earns, but also a lot of money will come from promoting several products and brands so it is much more difficult to bribe them, referees on the other hand regardless of how well they could be paid by their leagues still receive a very low salary in comparison, so it is way easier to bribe them so they fix a match.

Stars in each sport are not really into this kind of activities, knowing that just by one mistake they can ruin their entire careers.

But yes, with officiating officials, they are very prone to participate. They can do the magic while the game is playing, chances that

the most participation in game fixing is from the refs is very possible, but again without any proven participation they are going

to be suspended if by chance, there's a challenge that being called from how they officiated the game.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Maslate on July 06, 2022, 09:20:43 PM

That is somehow expected to happen because they also have the right connection to make the rumor sounds nonsense to believe or else they will pay huge load of cash to those individuals who are going to expose them. But if those two scenarios stated won't suffice to stop that certain individual to expose them then I think they are also prepared to get in a messy way. We know that there's actually a business like that, so I expect that their circle is full of powerful people to make the job easy.
Propaganda and rumors play a vital role in the everything. Some businesses face serious downfalls after the propaganda.
I have seen many brands being badly affected due to rumors and propaganda. But these tricks and techniques does not last for long.

How can you say that these techniques and tricks won't last for long? The organization will remain powerful because of rigging happened and they can always escape the speculations/rumors because they have the right connection and will make the cheating look clean and the people/protester won't have an evidence against them.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: carlfebz2 on July 06, 2022, 09:33:55 PM

That is somehow expected to happen because they also have the right connection to make the rumor sounds nonsense to believe or else they will pay huge load of cash to those individuals who are going to expose them. But if those two scenarios stated won't suffice to stop that certain individual to expose them then I think they are also prepared to get in a messy way. We know that there's actually a business like that, so I expect that their circle is full of powerful people to make the job easy.
Propaganda and rumors play a vital role in the everything. Some businesses face serious downfalls after the propaganda.
I have seen many brands being badly affected due to rumors and propaganda. But these tricks and techniques does not last for long.

How can you say that these techniques and tricks won't last for long? The organization will remain powerful because of rigging happened and they can always escape the speculations/rumors because they have the right connection and will make the cheating look clean and the people/protester won't have an evidence against them.
If you do have the money and the connection then you could really have everything or able to done on what to be done or whats up into your mind.They arent that dumb on making things illegal and making it looking

obvious? They wont really be doing suicidal things because that would surely give out that consequences which might things make more worst or would totally affect in overall reputation and career.Fixed matches
could really happen but determining which game then it would be the hardest thing to be done.Of course they would really be making it unnoticeable in the public whether you could spot out somethings off
then as a regular citizen or fan then what you would intend to do? For sure you wont really be doing stupid things on accusing without solid evidences.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: mm2543363580 on July 07, 2022, 06:31:59 PM
It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

No I can't tell it unless it is too obvious. I've seen goalkeepers (football) acting super stupid before and there was no other explanation for those games. They were fixed. Since I don't watch the other sports like basketball, boxing etc... I don't know anything about those games so It is extremely hard for me to tell anything about them. If you are a regular watcher and a fan of those sports, you could probably tell though. If the favorite side/player acting stupid for no reason > the game is fixed
Now in the modern world - thing are more covered up there are new techniques and ways for the match fixing. But I am sure every big game has a big game behind it. To me almost every match if not approx 80% matches are fixed. Do you agree?


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: stadus on July 08, 2022, 05:40:10 PM
It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

No I can't tell it unless it is too obvious. I've seen goalkeepers (football) acting super stupid before and there was no other explanation for those games. They were fixed. Since I don't watch the other sports like basketball, boxing etc... I don't know anything about those games so It is extremely hard for me to tell anything about them. If you are a regular watcher and a fan of those sports, you could probably tell though. If the favorite side/player acting stupid for no reason > the game is fixed
Now in the modern world - thing are more covered up there are new techniques and ways for the match fixing. But I am sure every big game has a big game behind it. To me almost every match if not approx 80% matches are fixed. Do you agree?

I cannot really say if that's somehow true but who knows, right? I just think that your figure is quite high considering that it is a big game, I think it's just 40% or lower than that but that specific games doesn't much require crowd or large group of spectators because rigging big leagues or big games is really risky for them as they know that there would be lots of organizations who will watch it. That said, bets on that specific game are also soaring high, so that's why they can't just risk their motive with that kind of games.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: bitgov on July 08, 2022, 09:28:11 PM

I cannot really say if that's somehow true but who knows, right? I just think that your figure is quite high considering that it is a big game, I think it's just 40% or lower than that but that specific games doesn't much require crowd or large group of spectators because rigging big leagues or big games is really risky for them as they know that there would be lots of organizations who will watch it. That said, bets on that specific game are also soaring high, so that's why they can't just risk their motive with that kind of games.
The recent match between India and England. I think that match was fixed.
Both the team looked so lousy on the field. And rather it appeared England is going to win the match very easily and the end was different all together.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: goinmerry on July 08, 2022, 10:43:06 PM
The recent match between India and England. I think that match was fixed.
Both the team looked so lousy on the field. And rather it appeared England is going to win the match very easily and the end was different all together.

Are you referring to the first T20 international? Not have much knowledge about the league and the sports itself honestly. If you are a regular viewer of that sport, I understand your sentiments and speculations that something unusual is going wrong.

But searching on that, it's not England that won as far as your speculation is concerned but rather India takes the win by 50 runs.

With that result, do you still believe that match is somehow fixed?


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: agustina2 on July 08, 2022, 11:58:10 PM
Now in the modern world - thing are more covered up there are new techniques and ways for the match fixing. But I am sure every big game has a big game behind it. To me almost every match if not approx 80% matches are fixed. Do you agree?

No. Big games are most watched. There is high money at stake here making it critical to be involved in a match-fixing.

Big games and matches are also recognized by most people around the world and I doubt something fishy will happen here. They won't ruin their reputation for that. Their fans are the reason why they are getting profits.

If we are talking about local leagues or small leagues, maybe there are a few cases of game-fixing but it's not 80%. That was too much.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: bitgov on July 09, 2022, 07:09:10 PM
Now in the modern world - thing are more covered up there are new techniques and ways for the match fixing. But I am sure every big game has a big game behind it. To me almost every match if not approx 80% matches are fixed. Do you agree?

No. Big games are most watched. There is high money at stake here making it critical to be involved in a match-fixing.

Big games and matches are also recognized by most people around the world and I doubt something fishy will happen here. They won't ruin their reputation for that. Their fans are the reason why they are getting profits.

If we are talking about local leagues or small leagues, maybe there are a few cases of game-fixing but it's not 80%. That was too much.
I too believe most big games have big money behind. And surly most of the bookie would try to buy the players as well. But again now players are more concerned about their reputation and career they would like to stay clean and neutral because sooner of later the secret is out.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: stadus on July 10, 2022, 05:50:13 PM

I cannot really say if that's somehow true but who knows, right? I just think that your figure is quite high considering that it is a big game, I think it's just 40% or lower than that but that specific games doesn't much require crowd or large group of spectators because rigging big leagues or big games is really risky for them as they know that there would be lots of organizations who will watch it. That said, bets on that specific game are also soaring high, so that's why they can't just risk their motive with that kind of games.
The recent match between India and England. I think that match was fixed.
Both the team looked so lousy on the field. And rather it appeared England is going to win the match very easily and the end was different all together.

Wait, what sport or league are we talking here? I'm not sure if I did follow but I think I'll just leave that to you whatever that is and I'm confident that you quite know the sports well to have that kind of speculation. Hopefully that's not a big league because I'm confident that big league games aren't easy to get fixed, you need to have huge guts to consider fixing huge leagues which is by the way spectated by thousands to millions of people.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: bitgov on July 11, 2022, 09:14:47 AM
Wait, what sport or league are we talking here? I'm not sure if I did follow but I think I'll just leave that to you whatever that is and I'm confident that you quite know the sports well to have that kind of speculation. Hopefully that's not a big league because I'm confident that big league games aren't easy to get fixed, you need to have huge guts to consider fixing huge leagues which is by the way spectated by thousands to millions of people.
Life is very fast these days - people just watch and give their opinions on it.
But I believe most of the big games are fixed .. like there were so many miscalculation and cheating which was done in World Cup qualifying round.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Smartprofit on July 11, 2022, 12:15:10 PM

I cannot really say if that's somehow true but who knows, right? I just think that your figure is quite high considering that it is a big game, I think it's just 40% or lower than that but that specific games doesn't much require crowd or large group of spectators because rigging big leagues or big games is really risky for them as they know that there would be lots of organizations who will watch it. That said, bets on that specific game are also soaring high, so that's why they can't just risk their motive with that kind of games.
The recent match between India and England. I think that match was fixed.
Both the team looked so lousy on the field. And rather it appeared England is going to win the match very easily and the end was different all together.

Perhaps I am an idealist, but it seems to me that sports competitions between different countries are fair sports competitions. 

Each country strives to look better compared to other countries.  And the easiest way to achieve this is to win in sports.  Victory in sports is part of the country's positive image.  In my opinion, contractual (fictitious) matches are more common when different clubs compete.  In this situation, corruption and the desire to make money often take place. 

When different countries compete with each other, then fictitious (fixed) matches happen much less frequently.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: sovie on July 11, 2022, 01:40:23 PM

Perhaps I am an idealist, but it seems to me that sports competitions between different countries are fair sports competitions. 

Each country strives to look better compared to other countries.  And the easiest way to achieve this is to win in sports.  Victory in sports is part of the country's positive image.  In my opinion, contractual (fictitious) matches are more common when different clubs compete.  In this situation, corruption and the desire to make money often take place. 

When different countries compete with each other, then fictitious (fixed) matches happen much less frequently.
That's is very correct " victory in sports is part of country's positive" image and that is how the sportsman or an athlete lift the image of their country.
I m not sure about the players fixing matches - but one or the other players may do that. Also - there is a big gambling bets and games behind the games. That is for sure.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: noormcs5 on July 11, 2022, 01:48:05 PM

I cannot really say if that's somehow true but who knows, right? I just think that your figure is quite high considering that it is a big game, I think it's just 40% or lower than that but that specific games doesn't much require crowd or large group of spectators because rigging big leagues or big games is really risky for them as they know that there would be lots of organizations who will watch it. That said, bets on that specific game are also soaring high, so that's why they can't just risk their motive with that kind of games.
The recent match between India and England. I think that match was fixed.
Both the team looked so lousy on the field. And rather it appeared England is going to win the match very easily and the end was different all together.

India scored 198 runs in the first innings so how does it looks that England can win this match easily?

I don't think this match was fixed and if you see teams taking the match lightly also does not guarantee that this match was fixed. Usually, it is difficult to track whether the match is fixed or not when both strong teams are playing the match.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: AicecreaME on July 11, 2022, 02:42:02 PM
Wait, what sport or league are we talking here? I'm not sure if I did follow but I think I'll just leave that to you whatever that is and I'm confident that you quite know the sports well to have that kind of speculation. Hopefully that's not a big league because I'm confident that big league games aren't easy to get fixed, you need to have huge guts to consider fixing huge leagues which is by the way spectated by thousands to millions of people.
Life is very fast these days - people just watch and give their opinions on it.
But I believe most of the big games are fixed .. like there were so many miscalculation and cheating which was done in World Cup qualifying round.

I doubt there is a fixed matching happening in big games because those matches are holding a lot of money. We aren't talking about small amount of money at stake here, but a big fund and the reputation of the players or teams as well which cannot be paired and bought by money. These teams are playing because they have supporters believing in them. They are the reason why they are popular and enjoying the place they are already at as well as its privileges. The trust of the people is what makes them going as well as the pride and satisfaction they get in winning every match. So no, I don't think there is a fixed big games.

I think the fixed games and win trading is common in local matches only. Those small games usually contain fixed matches because they couldn't care less about reputation or support because they don't have much most especially those held in small areas and are only organized by the common people. They are mostly just after money. Not all, but certainly there is fixed matches happening in small scale areas because it won't be closely monitored compared to big matches.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: mm2543363580 on July 11, 2022, 08:38:29 PM

I doubt there is a fixed matching happening in big games because those matches are holding a lot of money. We aren't talking about small amount of money at stake here, but a big fund and the reputation of the players or teams as well which cannot be paired and bought by money. These teams are playing because they have supporters believing in them. They are the reason why they are popular and enjoying the place they are already at as well as its privileges. The trust of the people is what makes them going as well as the pride and satisfaction they get in winning every match. So no, I don't think there is a fixed big games.

I think the fixed games and win trading is common in local matches only. Those small games usually contain fixed matches because they couldn't care less about reputation or support because they don't have much most especially those held in small areas and are only organized by the common people. They are mostly just after money. Not all, but certainly there is fixed matches happening in small scale areas because it won't be closely monitored compared to big matches.
You have a valid point here - many big leagues can't be fixed - but did you happen to watch some world cup finals - the fixed thing is not the whole match - but one ball - which can be a no ball and the batsman would hit a sixer to change the game although - not the whole team is involved but one player or two.  But whatever it is - players are more conscious these day to stay away from this kind of stuff.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Fredomago on July 11, 2022, 09:30:11 PM

Wait, what sport or league are we talking here? I'm not sure if I did follow but I think I'll just leave that to you whatever that is and I'm confident that you quite know the sports well to have that kind of speculation. Hopefully that's not a big league because I'm confident that big league games aren't easy to get fixed, you need to have huge guts to consider fixing huge leagues which is by the way spectated by thousands to millions of people.

Other things that needed to consider if we are talking about big leagues, there are many people who watching it and a single suspicious moves can result to further reviews, while with minor leagues there're no arguments that game fixing is for real, not saying that the kind of business is not present inside big leagues but like what you said it takes a big guts and a lot of money to facilitate.

And also, even there're some talks or rumors about big leagues, it will remain rumors until there's someone who's being proven guilt

with the kind of action, inside sports gambling.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: vennali on July 11, 2022, 09:43:48 PM
NBA matches seems fixed a few times, not by the players itself maybe but, by the refs. There have been a few scandals regarding the same, in which one of them lead to an NBA ref being put behind bars. Few playoff games feel rigged as they throw the narrative completely off guard. It is very hard to prove it though and NBA refs making calls can also be called subjective but some of them are very blatant. I see a lot more fixed matches in eSports scene. Its mostly young kids trying to turn professional. Much easier to corrupt by the gambling sharks as well. China, Russian region playing smaller division games, they always seem rigged, especially when it comes to Dota2.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: milewilda on July 11, 2022, 10:14:38 PM
NBA matches seems fixed a few times, not by the players itself maybe but, by the refs. There have been a few scandals regarding the same, in which one of them lead to an NBA ref being put behind bars. Few playoff games feel rigged as they throw the narrative completely off guard. It is very hard to prove it though and NBA refs making calls can also be called subjective but some of them are very blatant. I see a lot more fixed matches in eSports scene. Its mostly young kids trying to turn professional. Much easier to corrupt by the gambling sharks as well. China, Russian region playing smaller division games, they always seem rigged, especially when it comes to Dota2.
As a dota2 player then there are lots of rigged games but of course as a result its really that penalized and i could say that determining and finding out rigged matches are much more easier
to spot out on online world rather than on physical ones and its not really that deniable.We cant really that tell and even if we do able to see and notice it then as regular fan or people
then what are the things that we can do? Yes, we can observed and definitely tell that those calls are shits specially on NBA refs which it would really be that obvious once they do
make out bad calls which us fans could determine whether its a right one or not but there are indeed times which calls are really that off which you could really make yourself
that too reactive whenever they do made those.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: vennali on July 11, 2022, 11:06:35 PM
NBA matches seems fixed a few times, not by the players itself maybe but, by the refs. There have been a few scandals regarding the same, in which one of them lead to an NBA ref being put behind bars. Few playoff games feel rigged as they throw the narrative completely off guard. It is very hard to prove it though and NBA refs making calls can also be called subjective but some of them are very blatant. I see a lot more fixed matches in eSports scene. Its mostly young kids trying to turn professional. Much easier to corrupt by the gambling sharks as well. China, Russian region playing smaller division games, they always seem rigged, especially when it comes to Dota2.
As a dota2 player then there are lots of rigged games but of course as a result its really that penalized and i could say that determining and finding out rigged matches are much more easier
to spot out on online world rather than on physical ones and its not really that deniable.We cant really that tell and even if we do able to see and notice it then as regular fan or people
then what are the things that we can do? Yes, we can observed and definitely tell that those calls are shits specially on NBA refs which it would really be that obvious once they do
make out bad calls which us fans could determine whether its a right one or not but there are indeed times which calls are really that off which you could really make yourself
that too reactive whenever they do made those.
eSports in general has a ton of scandals. Every eSport and its not hard to look into it. A simple google search you can find out. The lower division matches that are pretty much always rigged are the ones nobody really cares about. I only have it running in the background while I'm doing simple tasks on my PC and the decisions that they make are very questionable. They arent punished because nobody really cares about them. There are a few divisions, where people dont even know who's really playing those matches. With that I mean, the teams constantly change players who are completely unknown.

Couple years ago, a caster who's been in the scene for a long long time mentioned that Match fixing in Dota2 is far more rampant than people realize. Also said that 70% of the teams from South East Asia would be under the scanner if they took the matter seriously.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: agustina2 on July 11, 2022, 11:37:30 PM
Couple years ago, a caster who's been in the scene for a long long time mentioned that Match fixing in Dota2 is far more rampant than people realize. Also said that 70% of the teams from South East Asia would be under the scanner if they took the matter seriously.

I agree with you that it's possible and rigging in E-sports, especially under the MOBA category, is easy to rig especially in a local or small competition.

But I personally doubt it will always be the case in the international E-sports league. These are heavily moderated and strict

The big event is between different countries, how can a rigged match will happened there? How is it possible to participate in a fixed match there?


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Smartprofit on July 12, 2022, 08:42:49 AM
Esports is a relatively young sport. 

Esports was created by young enthusiasts and quickly grew into a huge gaming industry. 

At the same time, the current generation is determined to achieve success.  And above all, it is monetary (financial) success. 

The example of popular bloggers shows that they make a deal with their conscience for the sake of additional monetary rewards.  Unfortunately, this happens quite often. 

Therefore, I will not be surprised if I find out that there are a lot of contractual (fictitious) matches in the esports industry. 

Although, of course, spectators and fans expect a fair game from eSports.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Fredomago on July 13, 2022, 04:26:28 AM
Esports is a relatively young sport. 

Esports was created by young enthusiasts and quickly grew into a huge gaming industry. 

At the same time, the current generation is determined to achieve success.  And above all, it is monetary (financial) success. 

The example of popular bloggers shows that they make a deal with their conscience for the sake of additional monetary rewards.  Unfortunately, this happens quite often. 

Therefore, I will not be surprised if I find out that there are a lot of contractual (fictitious) matches in the esports industry. 

Although, of course, spectators and fans expect a fair game from eSports.

Not by far to happen, I mean due to money involve and the game is more controllable and with the same capacity of possible competitor game fixing is not easy to predict inside this sport. Though like you, I'm also hoping that those people behind won't be attract with the money and allow this with this rising E-Sport, having a fair conclusion of the game is what the fans are aiming to see and not something that questionable after the game.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: GiftedMAN on July 13, 2022, 09:28:19 AM
It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our minds, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

Yes, I can assume that a match is fixed based on the performance of the team especially if it happens to be a well-known team with good players playing against a team that has fewer quality players or a team that is in poor form. Using football as an example, when a big team with an odd of 1.20  is playing against a smaller team that has an odd of 30.25 is playing a football match when the big team is having all the possessions when the team has created so many goals scoring chances but fails to put any goal at the back of the net even when the team is awarded a penalty, it is obvious that the game is fixed to end as a draw since the small club can not score.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: maydna on July 13, 2022, 12:05:40 PM
Esports is a relatively young sport. 

Esports was created by young enthusiasts and quickly grew into a huge gaming industry. 

At the same time, the current generation is determined to achieve success.  And above all, it is monetary (financial) success. 

The example of popular bloggers shows that they make a deal with their conscience for the sake of additional monetary rewards.  Unfortunately, this happens quite often. 

Therefore, I will not be surprised if I find out that there are a lot of contractual (fictitious) matches in the esports industry. 

Although, of course, spectators and fans expect a fair game from eSports.

Not by far to happen, I mean due to money involve and the game is more controllable and with the same capacity of possible competitor game fixing is not easy to predict inside this sport. Though like you, I'm also hoping that those people behind won't be attract with the money and allow this with this rising E-Sport, having a fair conclusion of the game is what the fans are aiming to see and not something that questionable after the game.
Money can turn someone greedy, especially with the lure of big rewards that can make someone do an untrue review. It will be detrimental to the opposing side because the review could bring them down, but if they are not affected by the review and still show a good game, the game setup will likely not work out well. But everything remains in the control of the people who set the game, and the audience is completely clueless.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Kelvinid on July 13, 2022, 12:08:13 PM
It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our minds, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

Yes, I can assume that a match is fixed based on the performance of the team especially if it happens to be a well-known team with good players playing against a team that has fewer quality players or a team that is in poor form. Using football as an example, when a big team with an odd of 1.20  is playing against a smaller team that has an odd of 30.25 is playing a football match when the big team is having all the possessions when the team has created so many goals scoring chances but fails to put any goal at the back of the net even when the team is awarded a penalty, it is obvious that the game is fixed to end as a draw since the small club can not score.
It's hard to spot if a game is fix to be honest, there a ways to fix a game, it's not only on intentionally losing the game but point and total shaving is very popular in sports betting, however, it's not proven so if you are a bettor, you have to be clever when putting a bet, stay away from the public favorites.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Pierre 2 on July 13, 2022, 12:17:55 PM
I think it is somekinda hard to spot match fixing in football as players can make many mistakes. But if I observe referee making weird decision and changing flow of match I become doubtful. Some referees I am sure get paid through stopping a specific team's good harmony. And also they sometimes give absurd chances to weaker times. These are examples I can observe in football matches in general.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Taskford on July 13, 2022, 12:22:10 PM
I think it is somekinda hard to spot match fixing in football as players can make many mistakes. But if I observe referee making weird decision and changing flow of match I become doubtful. Some referees I am sure get paid through stopping a specific team's good harmony. And also they sometimes give absurd chances to weaker times. These are examples I can observe in football matches in general.

But if the mistake is obviously done with there are many errors they do then we can conclude that the match is fix especially when we see that opponent is supposed to be a good team. Also referee might be involve since as you said they can manipulate the game thru their calls and sometimes it is noticeable since this can really affect the game. For sure there are many red flags on this but we surely didn't notice yet the other more.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Wakate on July 13, 2022, 12:55:30 PM
I think it is somekinda hard to spot match fixing in football as players can make many mistakes. But if I observe referee making weird decision and changing flow of match I become doubtful. Some referees I am sure get paid through stopping a specific team's good harmony. And also they sometimes give absurd chances to weaker times. These are examples I can observe in football matches in general.
We are all humans and in one or two events we have chances of have lapses that could cause us severe regret or loses. In football it is not that sure to have a fixed match because the weaker team might add strange effort with great determination to get things done no matter the techniques or pass history. There some matches that always end up with great surprises because of underating the other opponent because of past matches.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: KTChampions on July 13, 2022, 02:07:32 PM
It's hard to spot if a game is fix to be honest, there a ways to fix a game, it's not only on intentionally losing the game but point and total shaving is very popular in sports betting, however, it's not proven so if you are a bettor, you have to be clever when putting a bet, stay away from the public favorites.

Why? Are you implying a conspiracy of gamblers and bookmakers to "shave off" the betting public? I don't think it makes any sense because the bookmakers make their profit regardless of the outcome of the games, and besides, such activity will not only be a threat to business, but also a risk of going to jail (and given the number of people involved, this risk is high).


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: ImThour on July 13, 2022, 02:10:56 PM
Every event is sort of fixed including some big sports like Cricket, Football at some levels.

Imagine there are 3 stages of experience -

1. Intermediate - Tier 3
2. Advanced - Tier 2
3. Professionals - Tier 1

Fixing happening in Tier 1 will be 1%, that in Tier 2 will be 5% and almost 20% in Tier 3.
So yes, Match Fixing is part of the system.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Peanutswar on July 13, 2022, 03:46:52 PM
I think it is somekinda hard to spot match fixing in football as players can make many mistakes. But if I observe referee making weird decision and changing flow of match I become doubtful. Some referees I am sure get paid through stopping a specific team's good harmony. And also they sometimes give absurd chances to weaker times. These are examples I can observe in football matches in general.
We are all humans and in one or two events we have chances of have lapses that could cause us severe regret or loses. In football it is not that sure to have a fixed match because the weaker team might add strange effort with great determination to get things done no matter the techniques or pass history. There some matches that always end up with great surprises because of underating the other opponent because of past matches.

Sometimes it is all about the management of the teams because of the brackets they set in a match and most of the start of the event mostly they are doing some round robins. But of course, it is mostly with the financial talks about it, but of course in the international games such as the known events watching with the live broadcast there's a chance the viewers easily notice and we know how the internet works it is more easier to them spread news about the current status of the game.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: nullama on July 13, 2022, 03:53:24 PM
I think it's pretty hard to know.

In football for example a match can be decided by one small mistake from one player. That would be hard to know if it was a genuine mistake or if it was done on purpose.

In other sports it might be more difficult to do it, for example in basketball you kinda have to be consistently better than the other team to win, so it would be harder to fake it.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Fredomago on July 13, 2022, 05:40:38 PM
I think it is somekinda hard to spot match fixing in football as players can make many mistakes. But if I observe referee making weird decision and changing flow of match I become doubtful. Some referees I am sure get paid through stopping a specific team's good harmony. And also they sometimes give absurd chances to weaker times. These are examples I can observe in football matches in general.

But if the mistake is obviously done with there are many errors they do then we can conclude that the match is fix especially when we see that opponent is supposed to be a good team. Also referee might be involve since as you said they can manipulate the game thru their calls and sometimes it is noticeable since this can really affect the game. For sure there are many red flags on this but we surely didn't notice yet the other more.

If that mistake is noticeable then it can be contest or fans can exposed it in a social media to gather the attentions of the league facilitators, the organization will be an alarm that there are fix activities that might needed of their attentions, it's no longer hard to review as there are replays and in a self-opinion if that particular mistake is really intentional those involves persons needs to be sanctioned from the acts that they've committed.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: darkangel11 on July 13, 2022, 05:55:50 PM
I think it is somekinda hard to spot match fixing in football as players can make many mistakes. But if I observe referee making weird decision and changing flow of match I become doubtful. Some referees I am sure get paid through stopping a specific team's good harmony. And also they sometimes give absurd chances to weaker times. These are examples I can observe in football matches in general.
We are all humans and in one or two events we have chances of have lapses that could cause us severe regret or loses. In football it is not that sure to have a fixed match because the weaker team might add strange effort with great determination to get things done no matter the techniques or pass history. There some matches that always end up with great surprises because of underating the other opponent because of past matches.

The most telling in football are the way the goalkeepers and the strikers play. How they do 1 on 1. Whether the strikers always miss, if they aim at the goalkeeper to make it easy for him to stop the ball, and so on. You can mask mistakes in the center of the field, but it's much harder to do it when you have a shot. Sometimes it will be visible that they're deliberately trying to miss. That's why it's very rare for a team to try to lose, especially for a better team.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: stadus on July 13, 2022, 09:37:44 PM
It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our minds, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

Yes, I can assume that a match is fixed based on the performance of the team especially if it happens to be a well-known team with good players playing against a team that has fewer quality players or a team that is in poor form. Using football as an example, when a big team with an odd of 1.20  is playing against a smaller team that has an odd of 30.25 is playing a football match when the big team is having all the possessions when the team has created so many goals scoring chances but fails to put any goal at the back of the net even when the team is awarded a penalty, it is obvious that the game is fixed to end as a draw since the small club can not score.
It's hard to spot if a game is fix to be honest, there a ways to fix a game, it's not only on intentionally losing the game but point and total shaving is very popular in sports betting, however, it's not proven so if you are a bettor, you have to be clever when putting a bet, stay away from the public favorites.

That will depend if the favorite is likely to be the winner and the chance of other party to win is somehow smaller than the favorite, either way, we will likely have some analysis and nearest speculation of the actual result but that won't determine our success because as you've said, there this other factor called point shaving and intentional losing.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: carlfebz2 on July 13, 2022, 10:38:40 PM
It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our minds, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

Yes, I can assume that a match is fixed based on the performance of the team especially if it happens to be a well-known team with good players playing against a team that has fewer quality players or a team that is in poor form. Using football as an example, when a big team with an odd of 1.20  is playing against a smaller team that has an odd of 30.25 is playing a football match when the big team is having all the possessions when the team has created so many goals scoring chances but fails to put any goal at the back of the net even when the team is awarded a penalty, it is obvious that the game is fixed to end as a draw since the small club can not score.
It's hard to spot if a game is fix to be honest, there a ways to fix a game, it's not only on intentionally losing the game but point and total shaving is very popular in sports betting, however, it's not proven so if you are a bettor, you have to be clever when putting a bet, stay away from the public favorites.

That will depend if the favorite is likely to be the winner and the chance of other party to win is somehow smaller than the favorite, either way, we will likely have some analysis and nearest speculation of the actual result but that won't determine our success because as you've said, there this other factor called point shaving and intentional losing.
Majority of us would really be definitely sticking into those favorite ones which it doesnt really need much complex thinking and analysis on whose gonna win the match or fight.If you do see some odd movements

or bad calls from refs then it cant really be avoided for you to generate out some assumptions in mind that there's something off with the gameplay and having that impression that this might be fixed.

Of course it would be normal for you to seek for another possible odd movement or decisions been made and find out strange or something thats a true intent.Then what would be the next step you would do?
On where you would make such complain? How they would be hearing up your part? For sure this is something the hardest thing to be done.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: n0ne on July 13, 2022, 11:59:58 PM
Once we used to believe that WWE is true. Later we understood that everything is planned and executed. It has got separate academy to provide training and based on their performance they were introduced. With real fights it is quite hard to make a prediction on whether the match is a fix.

In the past there used to be signals through which the players give information to the bookies. For what purpose match-fixing came into existence. Everything is Money and during those days technology isn't that accurate. These days things have changed a lot, so chances of fix seems to be lower than the past.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: KTChampions on July 14, 2022, 01:25:14 PM
Every event is sort of fixed including some big sports like Cricket, Football at some levels.

Imagine there are 3 stages of experience -

1. Intermediate - Tier 3
2. Advanced - Tier 2
3. Professionals - Tier 1

Fixing happening in Tier 1 will be 1%, that in Tier 2 will be 5% and almost 20% in Tier 3.
So yes, Match Fixing is part of the system.

Is there any evidence for this or is it just your guess? With such a huge percentage of fixed games, the whole system should be involved in this. This is almost impossible given that the more people involved in the process, the greater the chance of leaks. Even at the professional level, one game out of 100 is a lot, as there are many games at the professional level every day. And we understand that professionals are a continuation (the very top of the pyramid) of the previous two levels, where, according to your assumption, the percentage of fixed games is completely wild.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Pierre 2 on July 14, 2022, 01:29:03 PM
I think it is somekinda hard to spot match fixing in football as players can make many mistakes. But if I observe referee making weird decision and changing flow of match I become doubtful. Some referees I am sure get paid through stopping a specific team's good harmony. And also they sometimes give absurd chances to weaker times. These are examples I can observe in football matches in general.
We are all humans and in one or two events we have chances of have lapses that could cause us severe regret or loses. In football it is not that sure to have a fixed match because the weaker team might add strange effort with great determination to get things done no matter the techniques or pass history. There some matches that always end up with great surprises because of underating the other opponent because of past matches.
I obviously don't deny such factors like luck or motivation of weaker team or demotivation of stronger team through different reasons. Yeah we are all humans and football players are also humans. But in general, by general I mean very uncommon, it really feels like change of match is very dramatic. I don't know if you ever experienced this in bigger countries although in Türkiye I definitely did experience. But I would say its still nearly impossible to spot. But sometimes feels are too strong to pass up.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: fortunecrypto on July 14, 2022, 01:46:20 PM
Once we used to believe that WWE is true. Later we understood that everything is planned and executed. It has got separate academy to provide training and based on their performance they were introduced. With real fights it is quite hard to make a prediction on whether the match is a fix.

I also used to believe that but I just knew and notice that so many things are wrong like, why there was no blood and why after so many beatings the fighter managed to retaliate and wins the about without bruises or even stain of blood, later I find out that its all a drama but even if its a drama some matches are unpredictable, at least in WWE you know its fixed and you just want to look on the twist of the ending

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In the past there used to be signals through which the players give information to the bookies. For what purpose match-fixing came into existence. Everything is Money and during those days technology isn't that accurate. These days things have changed a lot, so chances of fix seems to be lower than the past.

Because there are many cameras on focus and we have social media and spectators can easily post on social media and debate if there's fixing in particular fights or matches.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: yazher on July 14, 2022, 01:48:01 PM
There was a boxing match where you can easily see the fight was fixed and I believe it's on youtube if you want to watch here is the link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_-C4Sk6EHw&ab_channel=LucaTiberiu

In the boxing match, you can easily see the sign whenever they fixed the fight and you can see that the boxer who is losing is hardly making any moves to win the fight, he just right there waiting for his opponent's punches to land on his face and get knockout easily. But the other sports like basketball, it is really hard to detect because it seems like the losing team has just some bad day they're not getting their usual shooting percentage but in reality, they deliberately took some low percentage shots to lose the game.



Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Boristhecat on July 14, 2022, 04:37:55 PM
I think it is somekinda hard to spot match fixing in football as players can make many mistakes. But if I observe referee making weird decision and changing flow of match I become doubtful. Some referees I am sure get paid through stopping a specific team's good harmony. And also they sometimes give absurd chances to weaker times. These are examples I can observe in football matches in general.

But often players make mistakes in the highest level games (eg Donaruma in the Champions League) and more than one per game. It is hard to imagine that he is involved in a fixed game, there are just such coincidences when two serious mistakes happen at once in one game. It seems to me that the same thing happens with referees, although it's hard to argue with the fact that referees are often biased and often seem to be trying to influence the outcome of the game (especially in the past, since now there is VAR and now it is more difficult to make a biased decision).


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: fullhdpixel on July 14, 2022, 05:56:23 PM
It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our minds, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.
Yes, I can assume that a match is fixed based on the performance of the team especially if it happens to be a well-known team with good players playing against a team that has fewer quality players or a team that is in poor form. Using football as an example, when a big team with an odd of 1.20  is playing against a smaller team that has an odd of 30.25 is playing a football match when the big team is having all the possessions when the team has created so many goals scoring chances but fails to put any goal at the back of the net even when the team is awarded a penalty, it is obvious that the game is fixed to end as a draw since the small club can not score.
If every match are like that (good/popular teams vs weak/unpopular teams) then people can always bet on the good popular teams and secure a win. That's going to be an easy money and if they still lose then it is indeed questionable. The game must be investigated properly right after the match to see if there's really a fixing that takes place.

On rare occasions, an underdog can win and make an epic comeback but that is if they are really lucky that time. That's the only thing that they can win in a legit manner. Those who bet on those teams are also lucky despite of not doing a research and ended up betting on a weak team.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: OgNasty on July 14, 2022, 06:42:20 PM
I'll be watching the Jake Paul vs Hasim Rahman Jr fight pretty closely to see if there's another moment where Rahman will be accused of taking a dive.  I'm sure that fixed fights probably happen quite a bit in professional fighting and the best demonstration of that lately has to be Jake Paul.  Many people have questioned if his knockouts are real so if this is a topic that you're interested in, you've no doubt watched Jake's prior knockouts.  If there's another moment like the Woodley fight where people claim a dive is taken, you have to give a little credit to the conspiracy. 


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Fortify on July 14, 2022, 06:49:09 PM
It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

Most match fixing is only caught because it involves obscure bets that only a bookmaker would see and later investigate. It'll involve things like a football player forcing a red card in the second half of a game. The first bet might not get looked into deeply but a string of suspicious bets, usually focused around particular players would definitely set off alarm bells so it's not something that can last for long. If a bookmaker is ripped off, they'll definitely alert game officials and likely try to recover money by suing. All these things are normally kept behind closed doors to reduce humiliation and stop copycat activities.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: bitbollo on July 14, 2022, 07:23:50 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jul/11/cricket-fake-ipl-tournament-farm-russian-gamblers-india-police-betting-scam-the-sting

have you seen this news? some scammers has created a fake Indian premier League of cricket just to fool russian gamblers! Of course results of the matches were adapted according bets. This is the first time that I have see something similar. Find inside article some details ;)
about the scam (yes they have been caught)


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Fredomago on July 14, 2022, 11:29:18 PM

All these things are normally kept behind closed doors to reduce humiliation and stop copycat activities.

Yeah right, they are doing this to make sure that things will be covered up and not to exposed. Chances of a duplicate act can be tracked if there's already an investigation that runs around. I'm not sure, but maybe the league officials see that with the kind of treatment, it will avoid ruining the credibility of the sport and it will lessen the negative impact that will surely widen if the cases will be exposed that much.

The catch is to protect the entire league and to be aware all the teams that the investigation is already running and facilitators are already tracking down the people behind of this possible game fixing activities.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: harizen on July 14, 2022, 11:37:53 PM
The catch is to protect the entire league and to be aware all the teams that the investigation is already running and facilitators are already tracking down the people behind of this possible game fixing activities.

That might be possible that things are not disclosed to the public to protect the league but all are informed that they will not tolerate such activities and will penalize all the involved persons. They will do the investigation behind the table as making some noise about it might affect the reputation of the league and people will think that it's not a trusted league anymore.

But even if that's possible I'm sure such things are not always happened. Big leagues always do anything to protect their reputation and most of the participating teams and players are involved in shady activities as they also protect their respective careers and fame, especially for popular ones that might also have commercial investments and product advertisements.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on July 15, 2022, 04:15:00 AM

I agree that as per fixed games, it will remain a rumor and a speculation unless there will be some people who will stand up for it and begin an investigation and as long as it's not proven then it's safe to assume that these things are actually rumor.

Locally, there are attempts to expose those kinds of activities but a magic hands coming from nowhere easily remove any rumor about it and the individuals who attempt to bring it out either stop the claim or being ignored. Fixed games will continue to run the business without any doubts, though again, it's tough to recognize and every speculation will remain at it is until something will be proven that the game is being manipulated.

Nonetheless, only those who are involved will also continue to enjoy the luxury of keep sucking their winnings after settling the game.
Well, in every sports ecosystem there will always be corruption and when you try to be discovered, those who have more (economic) power buy all those who want to echo what is bad, this is something that will always exist, according to what they are more connoisseurs of a sport, they can realize when it is fixed or not, but there are times that they do it in such a shameless way that it is impressive how they do it, this reminds me of a local tournament game in Colombia, which the players let the goal be scored in such a crazy way, that everyone said it was fixed, that's a source of shame, in fact those teams were sanctioned by FIFA.



Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: stadus on July 15, 2022, 10:18:26 AM
Once we used to believe that WWE is true. Later we understood that everything is planned and executed. It has got separate academy to provide training and based on their performance they were introduced. With real fights it is quite hard to make a prediction on whether the match is a fix.

In the past there used to be signals through which the players give information to the bookies. For what purpose match-fixing came into existence. Everything is Money and during those days technology isn't that accurate. These days things have changed a lot, so chances of fix seems to be lower than the past.

WWE was sure looking so real to me when I was a bit younger and never had an idea that those fights were scripted and all, it kept me entertained every other fight because I really thought it was true. Actually, people of all sorts of age believed that WWE was a real fight with a real champion because we can't really see some hint that it was staged as most of us here did only afford to watch it on the television and never had the chance to see it on personal.
As of now, almost all facts are available in the internet and every video can be paused to see if there was indeed some staging happened in between and that makes the cheating even more impossible to happen. There may be some instances up until now but we can't totally say it as it was just a pure speculation on our part.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: KTChampions on July 15, 2022, 11:37:33 AM
Most match fixing is only caught because it involves obscure bets that only a bookmaker would see and later investigate. It'll involve things like a football player forcing a red card in the second half of a game. The first bet might not get looked into deeply but a string of suspicious bets, usually focused around particular players would definitely set off alarm bells so it's not something that can last for long. If a bookmaker is ripped off, they'll definitely alert game officials and likely try to recover money by suing. All these things are normally kept behind closed doors to reduce humiliation and stop copycat activities.

I don't think scammers are stupid enough to constantly use the same player (who in your example gets a red card at some point in time) and the same account to place a bet. The problem with scammers is that even if they have a player willing to "cooperate" they can't make much money from it - if you make a small bet of several thousand dollars, the profit will be ridiculous compared to the risks and costs of such an operation. If you make a bet of a million or even a hundred thousand dollars, then obviously this will attract the attention of the bookmaker and he can simply return the bet with a coefficient of 1 without any trials and evidence.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: mm2543363580 on July 15, 2022, 12:24:26 PM
Most match fixing is only caught because it involves obscure bets that only a bookmaker would see and later investigate. It'll involve things like a football player forcing a red card in the second half of a game. The first bet might not get looked into deeply but a string of suspicious bets, usually focused around particular players would definitely set off alarm bells so it's not something that can last for long. If a bookmaker is ripped off, they'll definitely alert game officials and likely try to recover money by suing. All these things are normally kept behind closed doors to reduce humiliation and stop copycat activities.

I don't think scammers are stupid enough to constantly use the same player (who in your example gets a red card at some point in time) and the same account to place a bet. The problem with scammers is that even if they have a player willing to "cooperate" they can't make much money from it - if you make a small bet of several thousand dollars, the profit will be ridiculous compared to the risks and costs of such an operation. If you make a bet of a million or even a hundred thousand dollars, then obviously this will attract the attention of the bookmaker and he can simply return the bet with a coefficient of 1 without any trials and evidence.
some people are very good in making big bets and knowing the deals.
Those who know this art are real legends - I wish people makes their  and don't damage other people peace of mind and do not run away with their money while making their profits.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Peanutswar on July 15, 2022, 02:31:29 PM
Most match fixing is only caught because it involves obscure bets that only a bookmaker would see and later investigate. It'll involve things like a football player forcing a red card in the second half of a game. The first bet might not get looked into deeply but a string of suspicious bets, usually focused around particular players would definitely set off alarm bells so it's not something that can last for long. If a bookmaker is ripped off, they'll definitely alert game officials and likely try to recover money by suing. All these things are normally kept behind closed doors to reduce humiliation and stop copycat activities.

I don't think scammers are stupid enough to constantly use the same player (who in your example gets a red card at some point in time) and the same account to place a bet. The problem with scammers is that even if they have a player willing to "cooperate" they can't make much money from it - if you make a small bet of several thousand dollars, the profit will be ridiculous compared to the risks and costs of such an operation. If you make a bet of a million or even a hundred thousand dollars, then obviously this will attract the attention of the bookmaker and he can simply return the bet with a coefficient of 1 without any trials and evidence.

This kind of thing mostly happen with the management of the team or the player itself if there's an offer to the management and they think the capability of the team for sure is not ready like an underdog some of them taking the risk to win and some of them are grabbing the chance to get paid at the same time they played even though the chance is small and just for the formality but it is different if there's a higher offer than the reward itself of course there's a possibility of throwing the game.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: lionheart78 on July 16, 2022, 02:08:11 AM

If ever you have read some gambling news today, an Italian Chair Umpire Francesco Totaro was suspended by ITIA Provisionally for grounds of match-fixing.[1]
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“The International Tennis Integrity Agency (ITIA) today confirms that Italian chair umpire Francesco Totaro has been provisionally suspended from the sport, pending the full consideration of match-fixing charges.”
https://i.imgur.com/gzK20Xv.png (https://www.gamblingnews.com/news/itia-provisionally-suspends-italian-chair-umpire-francesco-totaro/)

It looks like this isn't the first time that ITIA banned umpires due to match-fixing.

Umpires that is banned with the same offense of match-fixing

Majd Affi, a green badge chair umpire for 20 years
Abderahim Gharsallah, a white badge chair umpire
Mohamed Ghassen Snene, a green badge chair umpire

The latter two bans came from manipulating scores inputted into their electronic scoring devices, which did not reflect the actual scores on the court, it happens in Tunisia way back 2020.

Match fixing may not be discovered during the event but post reviews and appeals may open a panel for an investigation to determine if a match-fixing happens during the match.


[1] ITIA Provisionally Suspends Italian Chair Umpire Francesco Totaro (https://www.gamblingnews.com/news/itia-provisionally-suspends-italian-chair-umpire-francesco-totaro/)


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: KTChampions on July 16, 2022, 12:03:17 PM
I don't think scammers are stupid enough to constantly use the same player (who in your example gets a red card at some point in time) and the same account to place a bet. The problem with scammers is that even if they have a player willing to "cooperate" they can't make much money from it - if you make a small bet of several thousand dollars, the profit will be ridiculous compared to the risks and costs of such an operation. If you make a bet of a million or even a hundred thousand dollars, then obviously this will attract the attention of the bookmaker and he can simply return the bet with a coefficient of 1 without any trials and evidence.

This kind of thing mostly happen with the management of the team or the player itself if there's an offer to the management and they think the capability of the team for sure is not ready like an underdog some of them taking the risk to win and some of them are grabbing the chance to get paid at the same time they played even though the chance is small and just for the formality but it is different if there's a higher offer than the reward itself of course there's a possibility of throwing the game.

I don't believe in such scenarios. How much money must be at stake for someone in management (or a player) to risk their career and freedom for money? Considering that more than 3-4 people are clearly involved in such a scheme, the risk is very high. And even if you are not caught by an indirect sign, information about your affairs may come out.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Distinctin on July 16, 2022, 07:15:30 PM
I don't think scammers are stupid enough to constantly use the same player (who in your example gets a red card at some point in time) and the same account to place a bet. The problem with scammers is that even if they have a player willing to "cooperate" they can't make much money from it - if you make a small bet of several thousand dollars, the profit will be ridiculous compared to the risks and costs of such an operation. If you make a bet of a million or even a hundred thousand dollars, then obviously this will attract the attention of the bookmaker and he can simply return the bet with a coefficient of 1 without any trials and evidence.

This kind of thing mostly happen with the management of the team or the player itself if there's an offer to the management and they think the capability of the team for sure is not ready like an underdog some of them taking the risk to win and some of them are grabbing the chance to get paid at the same time they played even though the chance is small and just for the formality but it is different if there's a higher offer than the reward itself of course there's a possibility of throwing the game.

I don't believe in such scenarios. How much money must be at stake for someone in management (or a player) to risk their career and freedom for money? Considering that more than 3-4 people are clearly involved in such a scheme, the risk is very high. And even if you are not caught by an indirect sign, information about your affairs may come out.

That is the risk for sure if indeed there will be a time that information will leak but they are willing to take the risk because of money, sadly, there are really people who would want to gamble with that especially if they know that if their career will not bloom that much. I don't think we are kind of new in that situation.
The staked money is disclosed for public information for sure but we are not blind and deaf to know what is the real deal.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: sovie on July 16, 2022, 07:36:37 PM

That is the risk for sure if indeed there will be a time that information will leak but they are willing to take the risk because of money, sadly, there are really people who would want to gamble with that especially if they know that if their career will not bloom that much. I don't think we are kind of new in that situation.
The staked money is disclosed for public information for sure but we are not blind and deaf to know what is the real deal.
We are now living in the society when it is hard to believe that all the fights/ events are fixed.
Even if wish to believe that this a fair game. We won't be able to because there is always something going on behind the closed doors.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: KTChampions on July 17, 2022, 06:40:40 PM
I don't believe in such scenarios. How much money must be at stake for someone in management (or a player) to risk their career and freedom for money? Considering that more than 3-4 people are clearly involved in such a scheme, the risk is very high. And even if you are not caught by an indirect sign, information about your affairs may come out.

That is the risk for sure if indeed there will be a time that information will leak but they are willing to take the risk because of money, sadly, there are really people who would want to gamble with that especially if they know that if their career will not bloom that much. I don't think we are kind of new in that situation.
The staked money is disclosed for public information for sure but we are not blind and deaf to know what is the real deal.

Well, it turns out that basically fixed games are the lot of those who are very far from the top level and those who are no longer a promising player. But the bookmakers have a limited bet limit on the games of such athletes (well, or in any case, they see a suspicious amount of bets on someone and can cancel these bets) and it’s hard to earn a lot here.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: serjent05 on July 17, 2022, 10:08:44 PM
Well, it turns out that basically fixed games are the lot of those who are very far from the top level and those who are no longer a promising player. But the bookmakers have a limited bet limit on the games of such athletes (well, or in any case, they see a suspicious amount of bets on someone and can cancel these bets) and it’s hard to earn a lot here.

It is hard to fix a popular match because of cameras at every angle and lots of spectators around.  One wrong call from any referee or umpire will create a controversy so high-level league is always careful in their action unless of course it was discussed and planned right before the match happens and involves players who will act accordingly to the plan without any mistakes making spectator to doubt the result


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Rabi3 on July 17, 2022, 11:38:31 PM

That is the risk for sure if indeed there will be a time that information will leak but they are willing to take the risk because of money, sadly, there are really people who would want to gamble with that especially if they know that if their career will not bloom that much. I don't think we are kind of new in that situation.
The staked money is disclosed for public information for sure but we are not blind and deaf to know what is the real deal.
We are now living in the society when it is hard to believe that all the fights/ events are fixed.
Even if wish to believe that this a fair game. We won't be able to because there is always something going on behind the closed doors.
we live in a world where most people with money and power find a way to manipulate things to get even richer and more successful even if it meant stealing from other people, and you can find this in all domains that exist, they always have a way to fool people underneath them, so we all should be careful, I refuse to believe that it's not happening in sports, we see corruption everywhere.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: carlisle1 on July 18, 2022, 05:35:29 AM
Well, it turns out that basically fixed games are the lot of those who are very far from the top level and those who are no longer a promising player. But the bookmakers have a limited bet limit on the games of such athletes (well, or in any case, they see a suspicious amount of bets on someone and can cancel these bets) and it’s hard to earn a lot here.

It is hard to fix a popular match because of cameras at every angle and lots of spectators around.  One wrong call from any referee or umpire will create a controversy so high-level league is always careful in their action unless of course it was discussed and planned right before the match happens and involves players who will act accordingly to the plan without any mistakes making spectator to doubt the result

Orchestrated accordingly and spectators can only speculate but nothing can be proven, that kind of actions can happen around

major sport, but just the same, a strong mistake will create controversies and people will call reviews and will put the league into something

that will not be good to their reputations. A good thing is that social media is also active, creating smoke when something is not good in terms

of calls or misjudgments.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: stadus on July 18, 2022, 06:01:12 AM
Well, it turns out that basically fixed games are the lot of those who are very far from the top level and those who are no longer a promising player. But the bookmakers have a limited bet limit on the games of such athletes (well, or in any case, they see a suspicious amount of bets on someone and can cancel these bets) and it’s hard to earn a lot here.

It is hard to fix a popular match because of cameras at every angle and lots of spectators around.  One wrong call from any referee or umpire will create a controversy so high-level league is always careful in their action unless of course it was discussed and planned right before the match happens and involves players who will act accordingly to the plan without any mistakes making spectator to doubt the result

Orchestrated accordingly and spectators can only speculate but nothing can be proven, that kind of actions can happen around

major sport, but just the same, a strong mistake will create controversies and people will call reviews and will put the league into something

that will not be good to their reputations. A good thing is that social media is also active, creating smoke when something is not good in terms

of calls or misjudgments.

Bad calls from the refs are the reason why there are speculators out there who think that a game is fixed. As a bettor, I always believe it's happening, but knowing what particular game, that's a very hard job to do. As we continue to gamble, eventually we gets more matured and understand how to spot a value based on the line movement.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Fredomago on July 18, 2022, 07:58:40 AM

I agree that as per fixed games, it will remain a rumor and a speculation unless there will be some people who will stand up for it and begin an investigation and as long as it's not proven then it's safe to assume that these things are actually rumor.

Locally, there are attempts to expose those kinds of activities but a magic hands coming from nowhere easily remove any rumor about it and the individuals who attempt to bring it out either stop the claim or being ignored. Fixed games will continue to run the business without any doubts, though again, it's tough to recognize and every speculation will remain at it is until something will be proven that the game is being manipulated.

Nonetheless, only those who are involved will also continue to enjoy the luxury of keep sucking their winnings after settling the game.
Well, in every sports ecosystem there will always be corruption and when you try to be discovered, those who have more (economic) power buy all those who want to echo what is bad, this is something that will always exist, according to what they are more connoisseurs of a sport, they can realize when it is fixed or not, but there are times that they do it in such a shameless way that it is impressive how they do it, this reminds me of a local tournament game in Colombia, which the players let the goal be scored in such a crazy way, that everyone said it was fixed, that's a source of shame, in fact those teams were sanctioned by FIFA.



There's a kind of mixed martial art local sport here from my place that also got the attention of the social media, an event where people see an obvious fixed game, can't recall the actual scenario but the event got the attention of those who have a good understanding regarding to this sport and they are the one who exposed and provide the information, they call it as shame to the sport and they would not allow this kind of event to co-exist with the real sport inside the country.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Questat on July 18, 2022, 08:01:42 AM
eventually we gets more matured and understand how to spot a value based on the line movement.
That's what we should achieve as a gambler, complaining about fixed games is bad, we should already see that it could happen anytime so we can anticipate the kind of approach we will do in betting. Smart bettors are happy with fixed games as they know which side will win most of the time, we should be smart.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Betwrong on July 18, 2022, 08:12:39 AM
It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

From my experience, in most cases, gamblers think that event is fixed, while it's actually not. All the signs point to the conclusion that it was fixed when you lost your bet. That's how our brain works.

But, of course, there are fixed events still. I say "still' because there were much more of them in the past, and, surely, there will be much less of them in the future.

Unless you know from some inside info that event was fixed, you can't tell, imo.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: mm2543363580 on July 18, 2022, 09:55:31 AM
It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

From my experience, in most cases, gamblers think that event is fixed, while it's actually not. All the signs point to the conclusion that it was fixed when you lost your bet. That's how our brain works.

But, of course, there are fixed events still. I say "still' because there were much more of them in the past, and, surely, there will be much less of them in the future.

Unless you know from some inside info that event was fixed, you can't tell, imo.
everyone has their way of perceiving the things - some people take things very positive while always points out the wrong things.
So people  go above  and beyond the criticism and make things very uneasy for others.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Boristhecat on July 18, 2022, 11:13:59 AM
From my experience, in most cases, gamblers think that event is fixed, while it's actually not. All the signs point to the conclusion that it was fixed when you lost your bet. That's how our brain works.

But, of course, there are fixed events still. I say "still' because there were much more of them in the past, and, surely, there will be much less of them in the future.

Unless you know from some inside info that event was fixed, you can't tell, imo.

The problem is that there is always very little evidence in this area (if we compare the number of suspicious games with the number of athletes who were actually caught on this) and this almost always remains in the realm of speculation (therefore, as you showed, everyone draws conclusions on the basis of subjective impressions). If I remember correctly, even big and massive cases like that Serie A scandal were more based on suspicion and circumstantial evidence than direct evidence.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: AicecreaME on July 18, 2022, 11:16:44 AM
eventually we gets more matured and understand how to spot a value based on the line movement.
That's what we should achieve as a gambler, complaining about fixed games is bad, we should already see that it could happen anytime so we can anticipate the kind of approach we will do in betting. Smart bettors are happy with fixed games as they know which side will win most of the time, we should be smart.

Why is it bad to complain about fixed games when fixed games should not exist in the first place?

In gambling, we risk many things. Despite knowing that you should only risk what you can afford to lose, it's still unfair for the majority who are betting fair and square if the game they are betting on is already fixed. Because fixed games means that even before the game starts, there's already a winner. Making fixed games is lying to the audience and to the supporters which these teams and organizers get profit from. If it weren't for them, they wouldn't be where they are. No supporters of a game or betting means no source of income for them. So, why would you go that far knowing that you are betraying those who only want a clean game and betting?

In addition, these people who do betting are allocating their time and effort to watch and analyze the situation. They are using their minds in thinking which is the right bet for them to win. And those efforts would all be put to waste if the game is already decided in the very beginning. If I am a gambler and I knew that the game is fixed, provided that I am fighting fairly, it would really anger me. Smart bettors that you are pertaining to aren't really smart. They are just greedy and they don't have the capability to distinguish which is the perfect pick, hence resorting to fixed games.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: KTChampions on July 18, 2022, 03:49:48 PM
Well, it turns out that basically fixed games are the lot of those who are very far from the top level and those who are no longer a promising player. But the bookmakers have a limited bet limit on the games of such athletes (well, or in any case, they see a suspicious amount of bets on someone and can cancel these bets) and it’s hard to earn a lot here.

It is hard to fix a popular match because of cameras at every angle and lots of spectators around.  One wrong call from any referee or umpire will create a controversy so high-level league is always careful in their action unless of course it was discussed and planned right before the match happens and involves players who will act accordingly to the plan without any mistakes making spectator to doubt the result

But if we are talking about individual sports, then everything is possible - for example, tennis. If a player is in excellent shape and his advantage over his opponent is large, then he can deliberately lose the first set (or two) in order to win the game later (I'm not talking about Djokovic now  ;D ). What could prevent such a scenario?


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: virasog on July 18, 2022, 04:28:07 PM
Well, it turns out that basically fixed games are the lot of those who are very far from the top level and those who are no longer a promising player. But the bookmakers have a limited bet limit on the games of such athletes (well, or in any case, they see a suspicious amount of bets on someone and can cancel these bets) and it’s hard to earn a lot here.

It is hard to fix a popular match because of cameras at every angle and lots of spectators around.  One wrong call from any referee or umpire will create a controversy so high-level league is always careful in their action unless of course it was discussed and planned right before the match happens and involves players who will act accordingly to the plan without any mistakes making spectator to doubt the result

But if we are talking about individual sports, then everything is possible - for example, tennis. If a player is in excellent shape and his advantage over his opponent is large, then he can deliberately lose the first set (or two) in order to win the game later (I'm not talking about Djokovic now  ;D ). What could prevent such a scenario?

A player of the caliber of Djokovic can do this in the first or second round where he may lose deliberately the first two sets because he knows that he can always win the remaining three because the opponents are not so strong. But such tactics should not be done in the finals or against strong opponents as they are chances that if he or anyone loses the first set deliberately, the opponent may never let him come back in the game.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Distinctin on July 18, 2022, 04:34:25 PM
It could be on basketball, boxing or horse racing, or any kind of sport, after being in a particular sport for many years can you see or tell if a fight or event is fixed, there are upsets but in the back of our mind, there's a possibility that the match or game is fixed.

From my experience, in most cases, gamblers think that event is fixed, while it's actually not. All the signs point to the conclusion that it was fixed when you lost your bet. That's how our brain works.

But, of course, there are fixed events still. I say "still' because there were much more of them in the past, and, surely, there will be much less of them in the future.

Unless you know from some inside info that event was fixed, you can't tell, imo.

Indeed! Most of the time gambler will have some doubt and jump into conclusions when they are on the side that was lost but if it turns out that they're on the opposite side, I doubt that they will still have some speculation about these things because that won't matter to them at all as they have won the bet.

In the past, we used to know that there was some games that are rigged because the technology wasn't that evolving unlike, as said, we don't need to have some evidence to point it out. So in the future, rigging some games are still possible but that will become more challenging.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: JoyMarsha on July 18, 2022, 05:37:28 PM
Is wrestling part of the sport? Cos what I see in wrestling matches is a pure fixed and scripted match to entertain viewers(Not International wrestling between countries cos that one is not fixed). I remember when I was a bit young and naive, I do believe that wrestling is pure real but as time goes on, I came to realize is pure acting and fixed matches.

The way I do find out that matches are fixed is when I see a big team using their second-best team to play in a crucial match


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: mm2543363580 on July 18, 2022, 06:39:48 PM
Is wrestling part of the sport? Cos what I see in wrestling matches is a pure fixed and scripted match to entertain viewers(Not International wrestling between countries cos that one is not fixed). I remember when I was a bit young and naive, I do believe that wrestling is pure real but as time goes on, I came to realize is pure acting and fixed matches.

The way I do find out that matches are fixed is when I see a big team using their second-best team to play in a crucial match
Many gamblers gamble behind the scene - Maybe players don't know and they do a fair game.
But everything happens behind the scene.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Smartvirus on July 18, 2022, 07:02:16 PM
Is wrestling part of the sport? Cos what I see in wrestling matches is a pure fixed and scripted match to entertain viewers(Not International wrestling between countries cos that one is not fixed). I remember when I was a bit young and naive, I do believe that wrestling is pure real but as time goes on, I came to realize is pure acting and fixed matches.

The way I do find out that matches are fixed is when I see a big team using their second-best team to play in a crucial match
When it comes to wrestling, this is arguably true and to be frank with you, I sometimes wonder how the audience gets so obsessed and consumed with this sport. You could see the players sluggishly reacting to some crucial moments where the mat h of to have have ended, the reactions to the hits and often, the wrestlers makes little attempts to dodge an impending hit. Its always funny to watch.

On the account of team B for most some sports, I doubt you would see a team doing this in a crucial match if not for the intent of reserving players for a more important competition. This is often the case when the team be is brought forward but, the necessary changes are often made when the results seems to go bad. When games could be easily sold is in times where one of the team has got all it needs in the bag but still capable of winning there opponent who risks being relegated or when the top team has safely secured some points with bookmarkers ready to make some huge wins of the masses.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Theones on July 18, 2022, 08:07:34 PM
On the account of team B for most some sports, I doubt you would see a team doing this in a crucial match if not for the intent of reserving players for a more important competition. This is often the case when the team be is brought forward but, the necessary changes are often made when the results seems to go bad. When games could be easily sold is in times where one of the team has got all it needs in the bag but still capable of winning there opponent who risks being relegated or when the top team has safely secured some points with bookmarkers ready to make some huge wins of the masses.
People have great criticism skills. And they get so crazy when they have to boost their self.
Sometime - they get some juicy stuff from here and there and pretend they know so much about the games and sport and what is going no behind the scene.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: KTChampions on July 19, 2022, 08:24:36 AM
But if we are talking about individual sports, then everything is possible - for example, tennis. If a player is in excellent shape and his advantage over his opponent is large, then he can deliberately lose the first set (or two) in order to win the game later (I'm not talking about Djokovic now  ;D ). What could prevent such a scenario?

A player of the caliber of Djokovic can do this in the first or second round where he may lose deliberately the first two sets because he knows that he can always win the remaining three because the opponents are not so strong. But such tactics should not be done in the finals or against strong opponents as they are chances that if he or anyone loses the first set deliberately, the opponent may never let him come back in the game.

It makes no sense to do it against a strong opponent. What are the bookmaker quotes for a strong opponent to win against Djokovic in a single set? Let's say 2.2. If you specifically give the victory in 2 sets, then the winnings will be 2.2x2.2=4.84. This is a good win, but if you pull off such a trick against an outsider, then the quotes will be much higher - let's say 3.5. Then the winnings will be 3.5x3.5=12.25 This is a significant difference, plus in the second case you are guaranteed to return to the game.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: TopTort777 on July 19, 2022, 09:17:20 AM
Speaking about fixed fights or fixed games, I have found this - fake cricket league (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-62123966). While some try to fake events, someone went further and has created a fake league. Can you imagine that ? Streaking games, where all players are actors and the winner is decided by the amount of bets placed. The manager of this must have   grand master organization skill. What makes me laugh, is that they had 9 games in that tournament already, and there even were game commentators :D


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: jossiel on July 19, 2022, 10:09:10 AM
People have great criticism skills. And they get so crazy when they have to boost their self.
Sometime - they get some juicy stuff from here and there and pretend they know so much about the games and sport and what is going no behind the scene.
It's typical to see people tell that they know something and stuff from here and there. And that happens when they're an avid fan of that sport and thinks that they've got the utmost knowledge amongst them all.

But to say a criticism, it's an okay thing to say. Although, if those things you're saying about stuff in those sports are mere opinion and no facts to support it, better remain it as an opinion and avoid argument to people that has facts.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: wiss19 on July 20, 2022, 10:24:17 AM
Speaking about fixed fights or fixed games, I have found this - fake cricket league (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-62123966). While some try to fake events, someone went further and has created a fake league. Can you imagine that ? Streaking games, where all players are actors and the winner is decided by the amount of bets placed. The manager of this must have   grand master organization skill. What makes me laugh, is that they had 9 games in that tournament already, and there even were game commentators :D
That fake league you share there is crazy and how come they have reached 9 games? Maybe people already know that it was a fake game? But still insist to continue. Maybe they enjoyed watching how the players act because I think it's like a comedy when someone tries hard only to not shoot the ball on the goal

I think that some fixed games works like that. The winner is not determined at the start but they will only decide it once all of the bets (money) are collected and are remitted to the ones that manages it. Overall, it's still hard to tell if there will be a fixing that will take place so all we need sometimes is a luck and decide to pick on the teams that looks weak.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: TopTort777 on July 20, 2022, 11:07:54 AM
Speaking about fixed fights or fixed games, I have found this - fake cricket league (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-62123966). While some try to fake events, someone went further and has created a fake league. Can you imagine that ? Streaking games, where all players are actors and the winner is decided by the amount of bets placed. The manager of this must have   grand master organization skill. What makes me laugh, is that they had 9 games in that tournament already, and there even were game commentators :D
That fake league you share there is crazy and how come they have reached 9 games? Maybe people already know that it was a fake game? But still insist to continue. Maybe they enjoyed watching how the players act because I think it's like a comedy when someone tries hard only to not shoot the ball on the goal

I think that some fixed games works like that. The winner is not determined at the start but they will only decide it once all of the bets (money) are collected and are remitted to the ones that manages it. Overall, it's still hard to tell if there will be a fixing that will take place so all we need sometimes is a luck and decide to pick on the teams that looks weak.

I think people just love cricket so much so they did not bother much what they were watching. For example I am a fan of martial arts and often turn on some fighting on TV as a background. From time to time I can start to cheer for one fighter. And if I were really addicted to gambling, I would have placed a bet, especially if I see that one is obviously winning and it could be an easy money.

I find it difficult to tell if a fight or game is fixed. We will never know real reason for sports result was what it was. For example, I remember watching boxing match. One fighter was a really huge underdog, he was beaten hard in early round and then he won, because his opponent refused to continue. The reason - several hours before the fight other fighter was told that his mother has passed away and was emotionally not ready to continue to fight. TV and venue spectators called this fight to be fixed, but later the truth came out.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: KTChampions on July 20, 2022, 01:44:16 PM
Speaking about fixed fights or fixed games, I have found this - fake cricket league (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-62123966). While some try to fake events, someone went further and has created a fake league. Can you imagine that ? Streaking games, where all players are actors and the winner is decided by the amount of bets placed. The manager of this must have   grand master organization skill. What makes me laugh, is that they had 9 games in that tournament already, and there even were game commentators :D
That fake league you share there is crazy and how come they have reached 9 games? Maybe people already know that it was a fake game? But still insist to continue. Maybe they enjoyed watching how the players act because I think it's like a comedy when someone tries hard only to not shoot the ball on the goal

I think that some fixed games works like that. The winner is not determined at the start but they will only decide it once all of the bets (money) are collected and are remitted to the ones that manages it. Overall, it's still hard to tell if there will be a fixing that will take place so all we need sometimes is a luck and decide to pick on the teams that looks weak.

I also saw this news (since it concerns my country), but it seemed doubtful to me. Bookmakers, when working properly, receive money regardless of how the game ended. In my opinion, it is much more difficult for a bookmaker to earn money if he tries to play against the total position of the players (who knows where it will swing in the next minute). In this case, everything was allegedly built precisely on this. I think either we do not see the whole picture, or the news itself is fake/prank/something combined.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: nullama on July 20, 2022, 02:17:24 PM
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I also saw this news (since it concerns my country), but it seemed doubtful to me. Bookmakers, when working properly, receive money regardless of how the game ended. In my opinion, it is much more difficult for a bookmaker to earn money if he tries to play against the total position of the players (who knows where it will swing in the next minute). In this case, everything was allegedly built precisely on this. I think either we do not see the whole picture, or the news itself is fake/prank/something combined.

Yeah, I don't know too much about that league news in particular, but I agree with you. It just sounds like an April's fool's Day kind of news to me.

You would have to have a lot of people interested in doing this, and it would just turn into a comedy or something like that. And I don't think there's too many people interested in that for it to become real.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Betwrong on July 20, 2022, 02:24:41 PM
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The problem is that there is always very little evidence in this area (if we compare the number of suspicious games with the number of athletes who were actually caught on this) and this almost always remains in the realm of speculation (therefore, as you showed, everyone draws conclusions on the basis of subjective impressions). If I remember correctly, even big and massive cases like that Serie A scandal were more based on suspicion and circumstantial evidence than direct evidence.

Right, and that's why I think it's not worth it for us, regular gamblers, to waste our energy on worrying whether a match was fixed. It happens very rarely in the events we are betting on, anyway.

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~ In the past, we used to know that there was some games that are rigged because the technology wasn't that evolving unlike, as said, we don't need to have some evidence to point it out. So in the future, rigging some games are still possible but that will become more challenging.

Not only that. Even if you are technically capable of rigging a game, the info about it can leak, and if proved, it's the end of your career.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: ethereumhunter on July 20, 2022, 03:08:24 PM
On the account of team B for most some sports, I doubt you would see a team doing this in a crucial match if not for the intent of reserving players for a more important competition. This is often the case when the team be is brought forward but, the necessary changes are often made when the results seems to go bad. When games could be easily sold is in times where one of the team has got all it needs in the bag but still capable of winning there opponent who risks being relegated or when the top team has safely secured some points with bookmarkers ready to make some huge wins of the masses.
People have great criticism skills. And they get so crazy when they have to boost their self.
Sometime - they get some juicy stuff from here and there and pretend they know so much about the games and sport and what is going no behind the scene.
We all can only guess about what we've seen from the video and if that's the reality on the pitch it's not good for the competition and it would be better if that kind of thing was reported to the sports association.

But regarding fixed matches, maybe we will find other interesting things related to fixed matches but I don't think it will be easy to prove it. But hopefully, some people who watch the matches can search for the proof.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Distinctin on July 20, 2022, 04:42:37 PM
On the account of team B for most some sports, I doubt you would see a team doing this in a crucial match if not for the intent of reserving players for a more important competition. This is often the case when the team be is brought forward but, the necessary changes are often made when the results seems to go bad. When games could be easily sold is in times where one of the team has got all it needs in the bag but still capable of winning there opponent who risks being relegated or when the top team has safely secured some points with bookmarkers ready to make some huge wins of the masses.
People have great criticism skills. And they get so crazy when they have to boost their self.
Sometime - they get some juicy stuff from here and there and pretend they know so much about the games and sport and what is going no behind the scene.
We all can only guess about what we've seen from the video and if that's the reality on the pitch it's not good for the competition and it would be better if that kind of thing was reported to the sports association.

But regarding fixed matches, maybe we will find other interesting things related to fixed matches but I don't think it will be easy to prove it. But hopefully, some people who watch the matches can search for the proof.

That is if the people who threw speculations can really find some solid proof to report that there is indeed cheating exist in that specific match or game. Other than that, it is really easy to say that there is cheating especially if you we on the losing side but in reality there wasn't. Might as well prove a point when we throw some accusations but if we cannot then I don't think that it will be worth it to waste some time.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: ethereumhunter on July 21, 2022, 12:01:27 PM
That is if the people who threw speculations can really find some solid proof to report that there is indeed cheating exist in that specific match or game. Other than that, it is really easy to say that there is cheating especially if you we on the losing side but in reality there wasn't. Might as well prove a point when we throw some accusations but if we cannot then I don't think that it will be worth it to waste some time.
However, it will not be easy for them to report it to the authorities because there is a possibility that the authorities are also involved in the fraud. We as spectators will not be able or even have difficulty gathering the evidence and even the person making the speculation may also have difficulty because there is a possibility that he will be made to keep his mouth shut and pretend he doesn't know anything.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Kasabus on July 21, 2022, 02:28:44 PM
That is if the people who threw speculations can really find some solid proof to report that there is indeed cheating exist in that specific match or game. Other than that, it is really easy to say that there is cheating especially if you we on the losing side but in reality there wasn't. Might as well prove a point when we throw some accusations but if we cannot then I don't think that it will be worth it to waste some time.
However, it will not be easy for them to report it to the authorities because there is a possibility that the authorities are also involved in the fraud. We as spectators will not be able or even have difficulty gathering the evidence and even the person making the speculation may also have difficulty because there is a possibility that he will be made to keep his mouth shut and pretend he doesn't know anything.
That's the problem, it will be easier for them to rig the sports if the authorities are also involved, there are rumors before I read about a certain league that is fixed, and according to the story, the authorities or the management are the ones directing the referees to make a call and make sure the outcome they want is going to happen.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: KTChampions on July 21, 2022, 04:14:48 PM
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I also saw this news (since it concerns my country), but it seemed doubtful to me. Bookmakers, when working properly, receive money regardless of how the game ended. In my opinion, it is much more difficult for a bookmaker to earn money if he tries to play against the total position of the players (who knows where it will swing in the next minute). In this case, everything was allegedly built precisely on this. I think either we do not see the whole picture, or the news itself is fake/prank/something combined.

Yeah, I don't know too much about that league news in particular, but I agree with you. It just sounds like an April's fool's Day kind of news to me.

You would have to have a lot of people interested in doing this, and it would just turn into a comedy or something like that. And I don't think there's too many people interested in that for it to become real.

This whole story looks like a fiction because even considering the low level of salaries in India, it costs money to organize such a fake tournament + it costs money to attract gamblers (at that stupid ones  ;D ) who will bet (given the competition among bookmakers, it is very expensive) on this tournament. This scheme had very little chance of bringing profit to its creators.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Fredomago on July 21, 2022, 06:53:01 PM
That is if the people who threw speculations can really find some solid proof to report that there is indeed cheating exist in that specific match or game. Other than that, it is really easy to say that there is cheating especially if you we on the losing side but in reality there wasn't. Might as well prove a point when we throw some accusations but if we cannot then I don't think that it will be worth it to waste some time.
However, it will not be easy for them to report it to the authorities because there is a possibility that the authorities are also involved in the fraud. We as spectators will not be able or even have difficulty gathering the evidence and even the person making the speculation may also have difficulty because there is a possibility that he will be made to keep his mouth shut and pretend he doesn't know anything.
That's the problem, it will be easier for them to rig the sports if the authorities are also involved, there are rumors before I read about a certain league that is fixed, and according to the story, the authorities or the management are the ones directing the referees to make a call and make sure the outcome they want is going to happen.

Oh well, if that's for real for sure if fans will know about that participation coming from the league management they will no longer support the game, might be possible with small type of league where it can easily be manipulated, unlike with big leagues where controversy can easily be review and fans are always eyeing for any possibilities of rigged.

They can contest and will make a big noise to create negative views and the officials will be alarmed and will take actions regarding to any suspicious activities.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on July 21, 2022, 08:30:02 PM
Now in the modern world - thing are more covered up there are new techniques and ways for the match fixing. But I am sure every big game has a big game behind it. To me almost every match if not approx 80% matches are fixed. Do you agree?

No. Big games are most watched. There is high money at stake here making it critical to be involved in a match-fixing.

Big games and matches are also recognized by most people around the world and I doubt something fishy will happen here. They won't ruin their reputation for that. Their fans are the reason why they are getting profits.

If we are talking about local leagues or small leagues, maybe there are a few cases of game-fixing but it's not 80%. That was too much.
I too believe most big games have big money behind. And surly most of the bookie would try to buy the players as well. But again now players are more concerned about their reputation and career they would like to stay clean and neutral because sooner of later the secret is out.
The fact of saying that there is no money in the big fights is something absurd, behind each fight there are arrangements, there are negotiations, and obviously there is a lot of money invested so that the fights take place, and this is only so that they can be carried out After all, the other thing that is there and that everyone sees is the business model that is established between promoters, if they see that there is a good agreement between them of a monetary nature, then the fight is very likely to happen, but if not, it guarantees big bets and betting movements by the whales or big bets are not done, so all this is what boxing brings with it.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: terrorJR on July 21, 2022, 08:33:24 PM
That is if the people who threw speculations can really find some solid proof to report that there is indeed cheating exist in that specific match or game. Other than that, it is really easy to say that there is cheating especially if you we on the losing side but in reality there wasn't. Might as well prove a point when we throw some accusations but if we cannot then I don't think that it will be worth it to waste some time.
However, it will not be easy for them to report it to the authorities because there is a possibility that the authorities are also involved in the fraud. We as spectators will not be able or even have difficulty gathering the evidence and even the person making the speculation may also have difficulty because there is a possibility that he will be made to keep his mouth shut and pretend he doesn't know anything.
That's the problem, it will be easier for them to rig the sports if the authorities are also involved, there are rumors before I read about a certain league that is fixed, and according to the story, the authorities or the management are the ones directing the referees to make a call and make sure the outcome they want is going to happen.
It will be very difficult when money does the talking because when there is all that sportsmanship will obviously disappear and this is really worrying.
Not a few cases like this happen and indeed sometimes in this case all elements are also related starting from the organizers, authorities and even the club that did it so that even if this is reported it will only be a waste of time because the response will certainly be the same.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: mirakal on July 21, 2022, 10:59:01 PM
That is if the people who threw speculations can really find some solid proof to report that there is indeed cheating exist in that specific match or game. Other than that, it is really easy to say that there is cheating especially if you we on the losing side but in reality there wasn't. Might as well prove a point when we throw some accusations but if we cannot then I don't think that it will be worth it to waste some time.
However, it will not be easy for them to report it to the authorities because there is a possibility that the authorities are also involved in the fraud. We as spectators will not be able or even have difficulty gathering the evidence and even the person making the speculation may also have difficulty because there is a possibility that he will be made to keep his mouth shut and pretend he doesn't know anything.
That's the problem, it will be easier for them to rig the sports if the authorities are also involved, there are rumors before I read about a certain league that is fixed, and according to the story, the authorities or the management are the ones directing the referees to make a call and make sure the outcome they want is going to happen.

Oh well, if that's for real for sure if fans will know about that participation coming from the league management they will no longer support the game, might be possible with small type of league where it can easily be manipulated, unlike with big leagues where controversy can easily be review and fans are always eyeing for any possibilities of rigged.

They can contest and will make a big noise to create negative views and the officials will be alarmed and will take actions regarding to any suspicious activities.


If there will be someone who would be courageous enough to stand and complain about the cheating happened then I bet the authorities who are also involved with the cheating/rigging will be forced to haul out someone to take the blame and will just bail them out if the issue will cool down because I don't think that the authorities and the brain behind it will reveal themselves in the spotlight just to get criticized.

But yes, cases like these usually happen locally where they have control of what will happen if things get worst. They wouldn't try to rig some big leagues as that could really end their career ;D


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: ethereumhunter on July 22, 2022, 09:04:37 AM
That is if the people who threw speculations can really find some solid proof to report that there is indeed cheating exist in that specific match or game. Other than that, it is really easy to say that there is cheating especially if you we on the losing side but in reality there wasn't. Might as well prove a point when we throw some accusations but if we cannot then I don't think that it will be worth it to waste some time.
However, it will not be easy for them to report it to the authorities because there is a possibility that the authorities are also involved in the fraud. We as spectators will not be able or even have difficulty gathering the evidence and even the person making the speculation may also have difficulty because there is a possibility that he will be made to keep his mouth shut and pretend he doesn't know anything.
That's the problem, it will be easier for them to rig the sports if the authorities are also involved, there are rumors before I read about a certain league that is fixed, and according to the story, the authorities or the management are the ones directing the referees to make a call and make sure the outcome they want is going to happen.
If the authorities are involved, it will be more difficult to detect it because they will be able to cover their tracks so that the arranged match will not be exposed by other authorities. The authorities in charge at that time had already received a fee from the behind-the-scenes figures who set the course of the match. The audience or the person who found the evidence can also get in trouble if the authorities are involved because they will look for the person who found the evidence to be forced not to share it in public.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: KTChampions on July 22, 2022, 02:35:45 PM
By the way, did anyone watch this game yesterday: Elisabetta Cocciaretto - Caroline Garcia (https://www.livescore.com/en/tennis/wta-250/palermo-ladies-open-singles/elisabetta-cocciaretto-vs-caroline-garcia/757453/)? Garcia was the clear favorite but lost the first set 0-6 (LOL) and then easily won the remaining two sets (LOOOOL). If I was looking for matches similar to fixed, then this would be one of the most obvious contenders. It turns out that the one who made a bet on the defeat of Garcia in the first set with such a score won at least x60  ::)

https://i.ibb.co/1LZBH76/bets23.png

I think this is a good example for this thread to discuss. Do you think everything was fair in this game? If you look at the odds, then usually bookmakers estimate the probability that the favorite will lose the set with a score of 0-6 as 60-100. That is, even if you take the lower limit (60), then by betting a thousand dollars you could win 59 000 only on this bet alone. I can’t say that this game somehow hurt me, but it made me think.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Botnake on July 22, 2022, 08:21:59 PM
That is if the people who threw speculations can really find some solid proof to report that there is indeed cheating exist in that specific match or game. Other than that, it is really easy to say that there is cheating especially if you we on the losing side but in reality there wasn't. Might as well prove a point when we throw some accusations but if we cannot then I don't think that it will be worth it to waste some time.
However, it will not be easy for them to report it to the authorities because there is a possibility that the authorities are also involved in the fraud. We as spectators will not be able or even have difficulty gathering the evidence and even the person making the speculation may also have difficulty because there is a possibility that he will be made to keep his mouth shut and pretend he doesn't know anything.
That's the problem, it will be easier for them to rig the sports if the authorities are also involved, there are rumors before I read about a certain league that is fixed, and according to the story, the authorities or the management are the ones directing the referees to make a call and make sure the outcome they want is going to happen.
If the authorities are involved, it will be more difficult to detect it because they will be able to cover their tracks so that the arranged match will not be exposed by other authorities. The authorities in charge at that time had already received a fee from the behind-the-scenes figures who set the course of the match. The audience or the person who found the evidence can also get in trouble if the authorities are involved because they will look for the person who found the evidence to be forced not to share it in public.

But bribing the authorities is not an easy task to do because in most cases, appointed authorities are usually just and only wanted a clean peaceful game (except if the same authorities are the mastermind behind the rigging of the said games). Anyway, as long as authorities are involved, standing up against them will be difficult because you will be going against an organization that has been around for some years or even before you were born and been doing it since then.
You are just lucky if you are offered some bribe to make your mouth shut and forget what you know because the worse situation and common case is they will threaten your life.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: mm2543363580 on July 23, 2022, 02:59:17 PM
It's typical to see people tell that they know something and stuff from here and there. And that happens when they're an avid fan of that sport and thinks that they've got the utmost knowledge amongst them all.

But to say a criticism, it's an okay thing to say. Although, if those things you're saying about stuff in those sports are mere opinion and no facts to support it, better remain it as an opinion and avoid argument to people that has facts.
Criticism is healthy - one should either listen to it or just ignore if it does not concerns.
However taking a criticism to your head would not be of any help. It will ruin your peace of mind and health.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: ethereumhunter on July 23, 2022, 03:52:40 PM
But bribing the authorities is not an easy task to do because in most cases, appointed authorities are usually just and only wanted a clean peaceful game (except if the same authorities are the mastermind behind the rigging of the said games). Anyway, as long as authorities are involved, standing up against them will be difficult because you will be going against an organization that has been around for some years or even before you were born and been doing it since then.
You are just lucky if you are offered some bribe to make your mouth shut and forget what you know because the worse situation and common case is they will threaten your life.
It wasn't easy but if they had known each other for a long time, it wouldn't be difficult to offer something that could catch their eye to help the match be arranged. We have seen many cases because some bribed the authorities to help with their plans.

So if the authorities got involved in it, it would make it even more difficult to trace because they must have thought about how to hide it from the rest of the authorities.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Markinzo on July 23, 2022, 04:03:26 PM
Fix matches are not that rampant in today's world of sport unlike 20 decades ago, and this has led to the matured outlook of many sports activities especially football.
Like in football, match fixing can easily be spotted for those of us that are so engulf with the whole game for years now, by the ways the referees are officiating the game and how cheap a well onoen good team yield to defeat by a weaker one etc.
Out of a hundred percent games in a season currently, I think 98% are not fix.


Title: Re: Can You See Or Tell If A Fight Or Event Is Fix ?
Post by: Fredomago on July 23, 2022, 06:05:47 PM


If there will be someone who would be courageous enough to stand and complain about the cheating happened then I bet the authorities who are also involved with the cheating/rigging will be forced to haul out someone to take the blame and will just bail them out if the issue will cool down because I don't think that the authorities and the brain behind it will reveal themselves in the spotlight just to get criticized.

But yes, cases like these usually happen locally where they have control of what will happen if things get worst. They wouldn't try to rig some big leagues as that could really end their career ;D

But money talks louder than anything, especially with illegal things like this, authorities can haul it but only inside local leagues that obviously doing it but with big one, I doubt even there's rumor it still tough to prove since the facilitator are also good to work with every deal, they will not allow anyone to notice and have a solid evidence with the transactions that they are doing.

We can only say rumor, but proving it inside any big leagues will be tough, maybe next to impossible unless there's a really big name that will expose someone, but I doubt money will talk for sure.