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Hello everyone,

I am not a legendary member of the forum and also I am not really active here. Nevertheless, I read along regularly. Today there was an incident on the German-speaking board that I would like to clarify.

There is a small group of users around the user Unknown01 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1041310) who have been spreading Russian propaganda and trivializing the war in Ukraine for some time now. Lies are openly posted and war crimes are denied. I didn't want to watch this disgrace any longer and joined the discussion today. I confronted the user and asked him how he justifies some Russian war crimes of the last days and posted a few links.

Of course, the user did not reply to my post, but insulted me as a fake account and threatened me that theymos will ban me soon if I continue to express my opinion (that there are war crimes of course). He also said that he already has a list for of "suspicious" accounts that refute his Russian propaganda and that he wants banned by theymos. In short: I'm told to either shut up or get banned by the admins.

How can it be that a user with a higher rank can oppress a user in such a way? Can I really be banned for contradicting the lies he posts?

The User Unknown01 is supported by his friends s0nix (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=432863) and MinoRaiola (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1280964) who sent positive feedback to each other without any reason other than to make their account look better.

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Quote for reference:

Please use Google translate.



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DT farming, baseless positive feedback, trust abuse, Russian propaganda, trolling


~Unknown01
~s0nix
~MinoRaiola
~thandie
~Poly#Crypto

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5404167.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5404157.msg60450776#msg60450776

I don't want to use google translator and get misinformed but regardless of whatever he said, you are unlikely to get banned if you have followed the rules. There's no way you will get banned just because you have shared your opinion. There's nothing wrong with that.
I don't know why would he say something like this. Why would even he threaten you? If someone doesn’t like other opinion, they can simply "ignore" the user.
Nevermind, have you broken any rules? If no, I would say please move on. That would be good for both.

No, you won't be banned so long as you did not break any forum rules, certainly not for expressing your opinion. They probably have no argument point and just want to shut up by scaring you.

I can confirm that the threat happened against Kamix and Unknown01 completely lost his mind.
Unknown01 is involved in various shenanigans against established accounts and new accounts.

I fact, he's taking the German section hostage with his Off-Topic shitposts and baseless accusations.

However: I think that there is no chance at all that @Kamix will be banned because Kamix didn't break any rule.
Kamix is a friendly account from our German section.
If there would be a ban, Unknown01 would be first. Unknown01 is providing no value to the forum and now he's starting to attack new accounts.

There's an easy solution:


~Unknown01
~MinoRaiola
~s0nix
~thandie
~Poly#Crypto

Even multi-accounts are allowed in the forum, that's not an offense that can cause ban.
Of course, there are many who don't like others tell they're wrong, especially if the others are lower ranked (although that should not matter if there would be a fair exchange of opinions).
As you can see, 1miau has answered him that he's wrong in those opinions. The rest.. is just cheap talk.

Believe it or not, freedom of speech (like on this forum) also means that some will say that Putin is great (even if every sane person knows that he's just another war criminal) and their posts are allowed. You have to either grow a thicker skin, either press the ignore link. As simple as that.

Op you cannot be banned because of what that user said, the only things that can get a user banned is plagiarism or posting malware in the forum, if you have done none of these, then just ignore whatever threat it is that you have received and continue posting in the forum as normal. This forum doesn't impede on users' freedom of speech and opinion, thus if a particular user is getting on your nerves, just ignore the person.

The problem of these accounts spreading Putin propaganda in the German section: they are thinking they can abuse Bitcointalk for their agenda and post their nonsense without receiving harsh opposition for their inhuman hot takes. They are derailing our local board. That's what's wrong and we have talked to them whats wrong about it.
They aren't listening and instead now, they are threatening Newbies with bans (which is funny because troll accounts don't have any power to ban anyone, their lack of forum rules, DT and other stuff is apalling)
Yes, it's not only limited to propaganda spam but also to giving out positive trust to other troll accounts, which is deeply concerning in my opinion because it's not how positive trust should be used. Such feedbacks should be neutral, see here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5191802.0).

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Exactly!
The accounts mentioned by OP aren't contributing any value, have no forum rules awareness, know nothing about DT, are just spamming 24/7 our German section and now also attacking Newbie accounts.  :D
They are not beneficial for Bitcointalk.

I can confirm: User Unknown01 has shown his unfriendly behaviour quite often and should be distrusted

Forum staffs, admin do not involve with members' affairs. The ban happens if you plagiarize contents but in other occasions it's very rare case.

The user seems known to me, I mean I saw him many times in posts like I see a lot of you. I did not see his recent activities (may consider a look) but the name sounds familiar to me and I get the feel that he is not a shit poster. Anyway, I will look at his post history shortly before making any bad assumption.

Is that me only seeing another complain in local board after the Arabic section? Feels me so many hates and bad arguments in local boards between homies.

I am makiing two sperate posts due to this; The message exceeds the maximum allowed length (64000 characters).

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There is more to those accounts, especially when I see the way they exchange positive ratings. It looks like someone is trying so hard to farm or manipulate the trust system using their alts.

These are two that I have found out so far;

Week 169, s0nix does this

Trust list for: s0nix (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=432863) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=432863) neutral) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/432863.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=s0nix)) (created 2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h)
Back to index (https://loyce.club/trust/)

s0nix Trusts these users' judgement:
1. NEW theymos (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=35) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=35)  +30 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (58) 8535 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/35.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/35.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=theymos))
2. NEW gmaxwell (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=11425) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=11425)  +14 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (22) 5066 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/11425.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/11425.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=gmaxwell))
3. NEW phantastisch (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=18312) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=18312)  +11 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 289 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/18312.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/18312.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=phantastisch))
4. NEW malevolent (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=23092) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=23092)  +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (6) 671 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/23092.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/23092.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=malevolent))
5. NEW Balthazar (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=23324) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=23324)  +4 / =1 / -1) (DT1! (3) 358 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/23324.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/23324.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Balthazar))
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41. NEW LFC_Bitcoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=379487) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=379487)  +24 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (12) 5421 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/379487.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/379487.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=LFC_Bitcoin))
42. NEW Poly#Crypto (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=383517) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=383517) neutral) (2 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/383517.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/383517.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Poly#Crypto))
43. NEW o_solo_miner (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=395806) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=395806)  +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 346 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/395806.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/395806.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=o_solo_miner))
44. NEW sandy-is-fine (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=400366) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=400366)  +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 211 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/400366.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/400366.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=sandy-is-fine))
45. NEW klarki (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=407174) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=407174)  +6 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (2) 761 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/407174.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/407174.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=klarki))
46. NEW LoyceV (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=459836) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=459836)  +29 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (56) 9588 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/459836.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/459836.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=LoyceV))
47. NEW actmyname (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=465017) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=465017)  +19 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (16) 1459 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/465017.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/465017.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=actmyname))
48. NEW The Pharmacist (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=487418) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=487418)  +32 / =3 / -0) (DT1! (33) 4101 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/487418.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/487418.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=The Pharmacist))
49. NEW LeGaulois (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=507856) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=507856)  +3 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (2) 2311 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/507856.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/507856.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=LeGaulois))
50. NEW SFR10 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=521899) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=521899)  +20 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (6) 1542 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/521899.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/521899.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=SFR10))
51. NEW TwitchySeal (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=538922) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=538922)  +6 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (7) 1099 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/538922.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/538922.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=TwitchySeal))
52. NEW phishead (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=547991) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=547991)  +15 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (1) 315 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/547991.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/547991.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=phishead))
53. NEW TryNinja (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=557798) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=557798)  +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 3471 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/557798.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/557798.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=TryNinja))
54. NEW ekiller (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=667791) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=667791)  +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1 (-4) 598 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/667791.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/667791.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=ekiller))
55. NEW condoras (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=740502) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=740502)  +9 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (1) 583 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/740502.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/740502.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=condoras))
56. NEW Lafu (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=805820) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=805820)  +17 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (8) 1662 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/805820.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/805820.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Lafu))
57. NEW Coin_trader (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=807453) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=807453)  +7 / =3 / -0) (DT1! (2) 286 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/807453.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/807453.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Coin_trader))
58. NEW polymerbit (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=811213) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=811213)  +11 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 541 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/811213.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/811213.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=polymerbit))
59. NEW HCP (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=867786) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=867786)  +5 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 3671 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/867786.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/867786.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=HCP))
60. NEW crwth (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=914465) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=914465)  +7 / =4 / -0) (DT1! (1) 858 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/914465.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/914465.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=crwth))
61. NEW Ale88 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=932931) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=932931)  +5 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 889 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/932931.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/932931.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Ale88))
62. NEW bct_ail (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=963640) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=963640)  +1 / =0 / -0) (1317 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/963640.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/963640.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=bct_ail))
63. NEW Vispilio (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=982288) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=982288)  +1 / =3 / -2) (DT1 (-7) 1095 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/982288.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/982288.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Vispilio))
64. NEW Baofeng (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=984384) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=984384)  +1 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (1) 1183 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/984384.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/984384.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Baofeng))
65. NEW be.open (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=986242) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=986242)  +0 / =2 / -6) (DT1 (-10) 453 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/986242.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/986242.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=be.open))
66. NEW Koal-84 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=988039) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=988039)  +1 / =0 / -0) (631 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/988039.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/988039.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Koal-84))
67. NEW krogothmanhattan (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1000199) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1000199)  +76 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (13) 1923 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1000199.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/1000199.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=krogothmanhattan))
68. NEW wolwoo (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1003533) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1003533)  +0 / =3 / -2) (DT1 (-14) 712 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1003533.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/1003533.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=wolwoo))
69. NEW JollyGood (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1016855) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1016855)  +17 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (9) 1019 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1016855.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/1016855.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=JollyGood))
70. NEW RaltcoinsB (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1024933) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1024933) neutral) (DT1! (1) 581 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1024933.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/1024933.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=RaltcoinsB))
71. NEW Unknown01 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1041310) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1041310)  +1 / =1 / -0) (485 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1041310.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/1041310.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Unknown01))
72. NEW roycilik (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1051955) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1051955)  +12 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (3) 1708 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1051955.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/1051955.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=roycilik))
73. NEW CryptopreneurBrainboss (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1052091) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1052091)  +16 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (11) 2613 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1052091.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/1052091.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=CryptopreneurBrainboss))
74. NEW El duderino_ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1067333) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1067333)  +31 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (6) 8266 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1067333.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/1067333.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=El duderino_))
75. NEW Beobachter_90 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1084317) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1084317) neutral) (57 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1084317.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/1084317.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Beobachter_90))
76. NEW KTChampions (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1097370) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1097370)  +6 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 1215 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1097370.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/1097370.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=KTChampions))
77. NEW Trofo (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1099980) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1099980)  +5 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (8) 1265 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1099980.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/1099980.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Trofo))
78. NEW Coin-1 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1133335) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1133335)  +1 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 1594 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1133335.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/1133335.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Coin-1))
79. NEW icopress (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1137579) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1137579)  +10 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (6) 2548 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1137579.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/1137579.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=icopress))
80. NEW bavicrypto (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1137750) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1137750)  +32 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 150 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1137750.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/1137750.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=bavicrypto))
81. NEW GreatArkansas (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1164368) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1164368)  +5 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 1137 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1164368.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/1164368.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=GreatArkansas))
82. NEW sheenshane (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1179651) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1179651)  +4 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (3) 990 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1179651.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/1179651.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=sheenshane))
83. NEW o_e_l_e_o (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1188543) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1188543)  +10 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (19) 9507 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1188543.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/1188543.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=o_e_l_e_o))
84. NEW logfiles (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1247226) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1247226)  +5 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (10) 1129 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1247226.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/1247226.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=logfiles))
85. NEW MinoRaiola (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1280964) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1280964)  +2 / =0 / -0) (1020 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1280964.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/1280964.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=MinoRaiola))
86. NEW Agrawas (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1285450) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1285450)  +47 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (2) 457 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1285450.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/1285450.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Agrawas))
87. NEW GazetaBitcoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1285797) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1285797)  +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (1) 2303 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1285797.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/1285797.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=GazetaBitcoin))
88. NEW Maus0728 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1289002) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1289002)  +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (1) 1154 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1289002.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/1289002.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Maus0728))
89. NEW tranthidung (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1292764) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1292764)  +7 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (4) 2841 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1292764.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/1292764.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=tranthidung))
90. NEW tvplus006 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1311641) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1311641)  +15 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (12) 1507 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1311641.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/1311641.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=tvplus006))
91. NEW dkbit98 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1410401) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1410401)  +12 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (9) 3835 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1410401.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/1410401.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=dkbit98))
92. NEW witcher_sense (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1433865) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1433865)  +15 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (13) 2504 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1433865.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/1433865.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=witcher_sense))
93. NEW bitmover (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1554927) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1554927)  +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (1) 3373 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1554927.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/1554927.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=bitmover))
94. NEW DdmrDdmr (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1582324) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1582324)  +9 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (19) 7133 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1582324.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/1582324.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=DdmrDdmr))
95. NEW cabalism13 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1605387) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1605387) #  +12 / =3 / -8) (DT1! (1) 1165 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1605387.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/1605387.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=cabalism13))
96. NEW Husna QA (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1827294) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1827294)  +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 1817 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1827294.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/1827294.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Husna QA))
97. NEW abhiseshakana (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1878246) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1878246)  +2 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (2) 2039 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1878246.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/1878246.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=abhiseshakana))
98. NEW madnessteat (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1894120) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1894120)  +5 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (5) 1475 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1894120.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/1894120.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=madnessteat))
99. NEW COOLCRYPTOVATOR (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1980983) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1980983)  +20 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (18) 1973 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1980983.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/1980983.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=COOLCRYPTOVATOR))
100. NEW lovesmayfamilis (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1982152) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1982152)  +26 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (18) 2773 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1982152.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/1982152.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=lovesmayfamilis))
101. NEW Harkorede (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2160117) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2160117)  +4 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (4) 525 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2160117.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/2160117.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Harkorede))
102. NEW YOSHIE (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2363935) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2363935)  +10 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (10) 1450 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2363935.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/2363935.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=YOSHIE))
103. NEW efialtis (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2597426) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2597426)  +24 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (1) 1206 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2597426.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/2597426.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=efialtis))
104. NEW Ratimov (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2627711) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2627711)  +15 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (13) 7379 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2627711.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/2627711.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Ratimov))
105. NEW zasad@ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2654005) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2654005)  +3 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (8) 3054 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2654005.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/2654005.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=zasad@))
106. NEW Lachrymose (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2718725) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2718725)  +1 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (0) 818 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2718725.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/2718725.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Lachrymose))
107. NEW FatFork (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2738899) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2738899)  +5 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 1123 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2738899.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/2738899.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=FatFork))
108. NEW NotATether (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2739424) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2739424)  +4 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (2) 2772 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2739424.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/2739424.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=NotATether))

Then 2 weeks later, week 171, thandie does this

Trust list for: thandie (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=334684) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=334684) neutral) (287 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/334684.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/334684.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=thandie)) (created 2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h)
Back to index (https://loyce.club/trust/)

thandie Trusts these users' judgement:
1. NEW theymos (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=35) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=35)  +30 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (58) 8570 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/35.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/35.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=theymos))
2. NEW gmaxwell (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=11425) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=11425)  +14 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (22) 5092 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/11425.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/11425.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=gmaxwell))
3. NEW xyz (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=17388) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=17388)  +1 / =0 / -0) (239 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/17388.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/17388.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=xyz))
4. NEW phantastisch (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=18312) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=18312)  +11 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 289 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/18312.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/18312.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=phantastisch))
5. NEW ewibit (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=19432) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=19432)  +1 / =0 / -0) (26 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/19432.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/19432.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=ewibit))
6. NEW malevolent (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=23092) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=23092)  +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (6) 688 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/23092.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/23092.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=malevolent))
7. NEW Balthazar (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=23324) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=23324)  +4 / =1 / -1) (DT1! (3) 358 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/23324.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/23324.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Balthazar))
8. NEW yxt (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=23810) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=23810)  +9 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 86 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/23810.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/23810.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=yxt))
9. NEW qwk (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=24140) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=24140)  +18 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (16) 2254 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/24140.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/24140.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=qwk))
10. NEW mprep (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=51173) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=51173)  +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (17) 1346 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/51173.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/51173.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=mprep))
11. NEW mezzomix (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=51478) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=51478) neutral) (251 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/51478.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/51478.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=mezzomix))
12. NEW Foxpup (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=55384) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=55384)  +5 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (11) 1454 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/55384.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/55384.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Foxpup))
13. NEW lassdas (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=60791) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=60791)  +2 / =0 / -0) (277 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/60791.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/60791.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=lassdas))
14. NEW philipma1957 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=64507) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=64507)  +34 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (17) 3323 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/64507.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/64507.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=philipma1957))
15. NEW babo (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=65636) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=65636)  +8 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 1817 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/65636.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/65636.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=babo))
16. NEW Cyrus (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=78147) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=78147)  +15 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (19) 1054 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/78147.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/78147.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Cyrus))
17. NEW Evolyn (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=78182) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=78182) neutral) (6 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/78182.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/78182.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Evolyn))
18. NEW Milquetoast (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=81572) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=81572)  +4 / =0 / -0) (17 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/81572.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/81572.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Milquetoast))
19. NEW ibminer (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=84866) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=84866)  +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (9) 1144 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/84866.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/84866.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=ibminer))
20. NEW d5000 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=85033) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=85033) neutral) (2340 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/85033.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/85033.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=d5000))
21. NEW bitcoinminer42 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=93534) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=93534) neutral) (180 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/93534.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/93534.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=bitcoinminer42))
22. NEW HeRetiK (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=99837) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=99837) neutral) (1217 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/99837.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/99837.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=HeRetiK))
23. NEW hanspeter77 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=110642) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=110642)  +1 / =0 / -0) (136 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/110642.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/110642.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=hanspeter77))
24. NEW Mitchell (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=113670) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=113670)  +43 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (27) 759 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/113670.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/113670.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Mitchell))
25. NEW Ticked (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=129764) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=129764)  +27 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (2) 222 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/129764.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/129764.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Ticked))
26. NEW wwzsocki (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=131333) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=131333)  +17 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (2) 1288 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/131333.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/131333.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=wwzsocki))
27. NEW Timelord2067 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=131361) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=131361)  +13 / =10 / -0) (DT1 (-8) 886 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/131361.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/131361.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Timelord2067))
28. NEW jeremypwr (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=137185) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=137185)  +23 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (6) 1669 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/137185.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/137185.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=jeremypwr))
29. NEW EFS (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=140584) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=140584)  +8 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (5) 331 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/140584.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/140584.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=EFS))
30. NEW tyz (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=153644) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=153644)  +5 / =0 / -0) (475 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/153644.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/153644.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=tyz))
31. NEW Ov3R (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=162769) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=162769) neutral) (268 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/162769.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/162769.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Ov3R))
32. NEW stompix (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=164749) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=164749)  +1 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 2903 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/164749.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/164749.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=stompix))
33. NEW hilariousandco (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=164822) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=164822)  +26 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (30) 1153 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/164822.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/164822.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=hilariousandco))
34. NEW EcuaMobi (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=169515) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=169515)  +20 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 464 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/169515.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/169515.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=EcuaMobi))
35. NEW arulbero (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=170072) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=170072)  +6 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 888 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/170072.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/170072.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=arulbero))
36. NEW Rent_a_Ray (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=182721) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=182721) awaiting update) (20 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/182721.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/182721.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Rent_a_Ray))
37. NEW buckrogers (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=189967) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=189967)  +28 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (6) 164 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/189967.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/189967.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=buckrogers))
38. NEW c_lab (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=202976) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=202976) awaiting update) (42 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/202976.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/202976.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=c_lab))
39. NEW Buchi-88 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=204821) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=204821)  +5 / =0 / -0) (681 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/204821.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/204821.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Buchi-88))
40. NEW Lesbian Cow (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=206143) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=206143)  +48 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (12) 730 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/206143.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/206143.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Lesbian Cow))
41. NEW willi9974 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=216582) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=216582)  +40 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (6) 686 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/216582.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/216582.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=willi9974))
42. NEW SiNeReiNZzz (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=251328) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=251328)  +3 / =2 / -0) (792 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/251328.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/251328.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=SiNeReiNZzz))
43. NEW JayJuanGee (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=252510) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=252510)  +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (9) 5145 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/252510.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/252510.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=JayJuanGee))
44. NEW achow101 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=290195) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=290195)  +6 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (17) 3600 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/290195.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/290195.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=achow101))
45. NEW DaveF (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=300014) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=300014)  +28 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (10) 2952 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/300014.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/300014.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=DaveF))
46. NEW teeGUMES (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=307884) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=307884)  +11 / =2 / -0) (DT1 (-2) 941 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/307884.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/307884.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=teeGUMES))
47. NEW 5tift (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=320412) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=320412)  +2 / =0 / -0) (82 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/320412.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/320412.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=5tift))
48. NEW quasimodo (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=332272) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=332272)  +2 / =0 / -0) (151 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/332272.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/332272.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=quasimodo))
49. NEW Lyricz (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=347176) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=347176) awaiting update) (33 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/347176.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/347176.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Lyricz))
50. NEW irfan_pak10 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=350580) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=350580)  +13 / =1 / -0) (DT1 (-1) 473 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/350580.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/350580.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=irfan_pak10))
51. NEW BitcoinPenny (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=352429) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=352429)  +42 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (10) 924 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/352429.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/352429.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=BitcoinPenny))
52. NEW yahoo62278 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=355846) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=355846)  +33 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (24) 1886 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/355846.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/355846.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=yahoo62278))
53. NEW e-coinomist (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=357726) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=357726) neutral) (85 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/357726.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/357726.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=e-coinomist))
54. NEW bitbollo (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=364070) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=364070)  +9 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 1233 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/364070.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/364070.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=bitbollo))
55. NEW Royse777 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=366632) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=366632)  +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (12) 1683 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/366632.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/366632.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Royse777))
56. NEW zazarb (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=369212) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=369212)  +38 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (0) 505 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/369212.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/369212.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=zazarb))
57. NEW LFC_Bitcoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=379487) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=379487)  +24 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (12) 5457 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/379487.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/379487.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=LFC_Bitcoin))
58. NEW Poly#Crypto (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=383517) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=383517) neutral) (2 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/383517.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/383517.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Poly#Crypto))
59. NEW Limx Dev (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=389271) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=389271)  +5 / =0 / -0) (344 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/389271.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/389271.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Limx Dev))
60. NEW o_solo_miner (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=395806) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=395806)  +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 351 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/395806.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/395806.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=o_solo_miner))
61. NEW sandy-is-fine (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=400366) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=400366)  +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 214 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/400366.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/400366.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=sandy-is-fine))
62. NEW Real-Duke (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=405482) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=405482)  +1 / =0 / -0) (440 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/405482.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/405482.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Real-Duke))
63. NEW klarki (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=407174) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=407174)  +6 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (2) 767 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/407174.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/407174.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=klarki))
64. NEW s0nix (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=432863) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=432863) neutral) (4 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/432863.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/432863.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=s0nix))
65. NEW LoyceV (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=459836) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=459836)  +29 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (56) 9712 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/459836.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/459836.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=LoyceV))
66. NEW actmyname (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=465017) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=465017)  +19 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (16) 1459 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/465017.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/465017.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=actmyname))
67. NEW The Pharmacist (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=487418) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=487418)  +32 / =3 / -0) (DT1! (33) 4122 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/487418.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/487418.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=The Pharmacist))
68. NEW LeGaulois (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=507856) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=507856)  +3 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (2) 2341 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/507856.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/507856.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=LeGaulois))
69. NEW SFR10 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=521899) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=521899)  +20 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (6) 1553 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/521899.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/521899.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=SFR10))
70. NEW TwitchySeal (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=538922) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=538922)  +6 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (8) 1114 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/538922.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/538922.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=TwitchySeal))
71. NEW Greshamsches Geld (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=547741) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=547741) awaiting update) (14 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/547741.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/547741.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Greshamsches Geld))
72. NEW phishead (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=547991) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=547991)  +15 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (1) 317 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/547991.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/547991.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=phishead))
73. NEW TryNinja (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=557798) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=557798)  +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 3551 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/557798.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/557798.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=TryNinja))
74. NEW ekiller (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=667791) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=667791)  +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1 (-4) 598 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/667791.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/667791.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=ekiller))
75. NEW condoras (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=740502) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=740502)  +9 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (1) 583 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/740502.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/740502.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=condoras))
76. NEW Lafu (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=805820) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=805820)  +17 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (8) 1675 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/805820.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/805820.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Lafu))
77. NEW Coin_trader (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=807453) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=807453)  +7 / =3 / -0) (DT1! (2) 287 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/807453.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/807453.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Coin_trader))
78. NEW polymerbit (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=811213) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=811213)  +11 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 542 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/811213.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/811213.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=polymerbit))
79. NEW HCP (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=867786) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=867786)  +5 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 3688 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/867786.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/867786.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=HCP))
80. NEW crwth (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=914465) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=914465)  +7 / =4 / -0) (DT1! (1) 862 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/914465.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/914465.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=crwth))

And so on

Someone convince me that the two are not alts and are not trying to manipulate the trust system?

Yes, Unknown01 is so clueless.
He knows close to nothing about DT standards and showed his lack of knowledge multiple times.
Same goes for his befriended shitposters.

I think distrusting them is an easy solution (and maybe a neutral trust for shitposting, trolling and harassment).

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As a German Merit souce, I even gave a some Merits to Unknown01 because I had the impression, he would improve but unfortunately, I was wrong.

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Exactly, such users like Unknown01 shouldn't be anywhere near DT.

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I think you mean Upgrade00? Upgrade00 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2423488) is a quality poster.

But Unknown01 is mostly active in the German section and in spam megathreads, facilitatig post like these:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1041310;sa=showPosts;start=560
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1041310;sa=showPosts;start=540

He was even accused of low posting quality: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2360806.msg57024047#msg57024047

Great catch!

Looks like they have been playing these games for some weeks now, add Poly#Crypto and the list is getting bigger:

https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-09_Sat_05.10h/383517.html
https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-16_Sat_05.07h/383517.html

I don't have proof that they are Alts but at least it's looking like trust manipulation.

s0nix only used trust to send a positive trust to Unknown01 recently.
He has no clue about DT, doesn't use it how it should be used but trust is obviously good enough to send a fraudulent positive trust to his shitposter friend Unknown01:

https://i.imgur.com/g2EJx0k.png

 ::)

That's how they use trust...

No. Definitely not.

The only problem is @1miau himself with his authoritarian tendency.
This member has no interest in free speech, only his own opinion. This user attacks all members who do not share his opinion because he is absolutely incompetent to lead a factual debate.
Anyone who disagrees with him is called an asshole, dirty pig, troll, shitposter.
1miau's comments are full of hate and contempt for people who think differently. Instead of arguing he rants, he lies, he denounces other members by spreading fake statements.

His latest campaign: spreading Putin propaganda
He spreads lies! Everything he writes here are lies!


My position has always been clear:

fact:
fact:

fact:

But he calls me Putin propagandist, he says I glorify the aggression.
1miau continues to spread his shameless lies to damage people's reputation.


This is defamation. And that is a criminal offense.



And by the way:
If I were pro-Putin, I would say it louder.
Because I am not a wimp who hides behind anonymity like 1miau.

Earlier I checked his post history, recent merit history but I was not able to figure out how did I feel that I was seeing him a lot of time. All his posts to be fair except few in gambling boards, are in a local board where I never or very few times visited.

You are correct. I was tricked by mind. It's definitely Upgrade00 I was thinking. Ignore him, you will not see his shitpost and feel better.

Definitely you are the problem!

Your shenanigans have been tiring the German local board for some time now.
You can express whatever "Opinion" (posting "justifications" about Putin's war) but don't expect that your "Opinion" goes unchallenged.  :D
90% of your posts are dedicated to that topic, 9% are defamations, 1% are the war is ugly BUT...
We know how your propaganda is intended!
Don't expect that there's no one calling out your Off-Topic troll spam. You are contributing nothing to the forum!
The criticisms from Kamix, from Nestade, from Dissi_xD, from Basti773, from bullrun2020bro and from myself and far more are totally deserved for what you are giving out as "opinions".

In addition, you are the ones manipulating trust because you have no clue about DT standards.
DT is a community based reputation system, developed in the first half of the last decade!
You don't know the difference between positive and negative trust!

Your lack of DT knowledge is embarassing. Did you ever read LoyceV's guide?

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Your Spamposts are "a criminal offense"  :D :D

Read more here: Dangerous and inappropriate use of Trust: giving positive Trust for Shitposters (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5404167.0)

People like you are destroying the forum from within because of
- supporting shitposters
- supporting spam
- inappropriate use of positive Trust
- contributing nothing (you are accusing me? Look at my posts!)
- attacking newbies

Lol, this thread is a farce.

But now every user knows what 1miau and his troll account Nestade thinks of free speech, of liberal values, of fundamental rights - namely nothing!

No wonder they are ignored by many users on the German Board.
Nobody wants haters, nobody wants Stasi or Nazi methods - the GDR went down 33 years ago, the Third Reich even longer.
And we don't need snitches and denunciators.

Everyone who stands for fundamental rights should ignore these enemies of freedom.

Next solution:
~1miau
~Nestade
~Kamix



Ridiculous.

Don't you think your actions are pitiful?
You want to make a name for yourself here by pissing off other users.
Disgusting.

Meanwhile you are the biggest troll on the German board, the members laugh at you, nobody likes you.

Although I don't follow the German board (Ich spreche keine Deutsch), I agree that the forum is full of this kind of people accounts.
I don't really have a solution for them and I don't know what can be done. If we do something we hurt the freedom of speech, if we don't.. the forum gets full of this kind of trolls.


Spam should de reported and removed at sight.
I've seen the threatening of newbies. Afaik it's not in the forum rules, it may be punishable offense. But we need mods' input in this. Cyrus is mod in Reputation, maybe he can help?
Trolling is punishable offense. But trolling may be a bit vague. Still, it's best we can do.


I've seen useful posts in the forum made by 1miau. Somehow I managed to miss all of your great contribution. So I don't share your opinion.

Yes, of course, I don't see any problems in the Bulgarian Borad either (I do not speak bulgarian).
Because I do not follow the board. What a funny reasoning.

You should follow this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5386945.0

There 1miau only spreads lies, attacks the members. That's what he does, nothing else.
I'm not talking about other threads, but in the OffTopic section @1miau is the biggest troublemaker.

I think one of the problem are paid accounts (Sigspam), so good Campaign Managers are an important point here.
But it's not limited to paid posts, see BADdecker (but he's in a league of his own).
Some people have too much free time.  :D

Of course, an active community is also essential where contributors are rewarded (for example Merit) and low-quality posts are discouraged, sometimes even long posts are contributiong nothing.

The moderation can discourage such spam by enforcing the forum rules (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0).
For example, we have already rules in place like trolling spam and similar but it's not easy to decide here.
I've reported some shitposts in the international section and all of them were remowed. That's how reporters and moderators can make Bitcointalk a better place with lesse spam.

But after all, the most essential thing is, that people participating on Bitcointalk have at least some sort of self-awareness:
Are my posts beneficial for Bitcointalk or am I abusing Bitcointalk as a dump for my propaganda?

We should try to be people from the first category.  :)

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I'm in favor of adding "harassing newbies without reason" to the rules.
Newbies are very important for having new, potential contributors on Bitcointalk.
Maybe that's a discussion for Meta.  :)

Regarding trolling: some might consider it "trolling", others not.
Some excessive trolls have caught a negative trust, some only neutral.
Some posts are getting deleted, some not.

It's a difficult question and most likely we won't get a final answer.  :-\
I'm still hoping for more self-awareness how such low-quality posters are destroying the forum, even damaging Bitcoin's reputation. Most of the are just here to earn, some are just here to troll.
People brought that up in our local section, shitposters didn't care.
We keep trying.  :)

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Yeah, I like trolls like Poly#Crypto and thandie digging their own holes.
Stop posting Putin propaganda, stop harassing newbies, stop misusing positive trust and start contrubuting Bitcoin-related content.
Since you are not posting Bitcoin-related content, maybe Bitcointalk is not your forum.  

And tell Unknown01 that he's very lucky to earn valuable BTC every week for his spam.  :D

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Maybe it would be a good idea for you to stop mocking established accounts, the real contributors here.

Yes  :D :D

But add this one: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5392188.0

Shitposters crying that quality posts are too "time consuming" and posting from their phone is too difficult to write longer posts.  :D

You mean yourself? lol
It would be a good idea for you to stop your lies and foul slander.

I've seen how guerilla marketing works. Those get benefits irl, not in the forum. Paid trolls may be in the same category.
And making an army of accounts for being convincing and for producing some sort of discussion look alike is part of the job.
So it's not necessarily about having too much time.


Yes, that's what I've been also trying to say.


Well, you have to do the same in the German sub. Non-German users cannot really help there.


I think that the vast majority is okay. But, like everywhere, there will be some who think that's smarter to pee against the wind.


I stopped having such an utopic view on humans. The good thing is that bitcoin has became so famous that even the worse kind of people can have account on bitcointalk and post his .. things. Good (!) or bad (!).
Those spamming and trolling definitely don't care about the forum. Expecting that (or anything good) from them is useless, really.

Hi @all

I can confirm that, I have already been attacked by PM and I should change my mind... but free opinion is important in a forum, right?

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Why should we be friends? I celebrated a friendly get-together today with +20 people in a rented barbecue area. For me, friendship is something different, but everyone has their own opinion.

I find it strange how the accounts act so quickly with each other, as if it was planned. 1miau is also for me the main problem and source of mobbing in the German Local. Many Users are attacked by him and they use the ignore function. I am in the clear for myself and will continue to work for the German community in the future. Here in the forum limited, as I can make it even bigger privately.

Yes unfortunately, years ago he was a cool guy, nur people change.

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Edit: Excuse me, but I have him on ignore. If it is something important, please send me a PM. This time, please, without attack. Thanks

I'm glad that the thread was opened, now we can finally put all the facts on the table and hopefully this will also calm down the situation on our German board. Just to be clear, my English isn't the best and as noted I'm from the German area so sorry for any mistakes in english that I write.

Our German board is basically very familiar, we hardly have anyone there who writes really pointless things, you can also ask our moderator about this on the German board. We have been helping each other for years and newcomers are very welcome! The text is now a little longer, but I have to describe everything in detail that has happened so far and my statements can be confirmed afterwards by various old members from our board, including our moderator mole0815, who will also confirm my statements. I would even be willing to make these statements under oath.

Regarding this thread about Kamix: I haven't threatened him with a ban or a reputation thread. Recently, more and more new accounts have appeared on our board that are hardly active, have no rank, but insult and attack accounts with higher ranks (strangely enough, almost exclusively accounts with which 1miau has problems), some of this persons have been on this board for 10 years. For this reason I have made the note that I keep a list of suspicious accounts that I may forward to theymos for for control!

So there is absolutely no reason to assume that I would seek a ban on a newbie. On the contrary, I am always ready to help others as far as my knowledge is sufficient and where I don't know what to do, I always refer to colleagues who are knowledgeable and can help. The very simple reason why Kamix has now opened this thread is that 1miau has been threatening for months to open a reputation thread in which he would like to report that I´m a Shitposter and other things that are absolutely not true. With this thread, which was started by Kamix, he wants to intimidate us and at the same time accounts like Nestade and 1miau, who are close to each other, are included here. We have close contact among old members on the German board and the suspicion that these accounts are related has existed in our community for a long time. In principle, multi-accounts are not forbidden either, but if they are used to exchange merits or are used in campaigns such as Chipmixer to write posts (by leading monologues under 2 separate accounts from one person), those would definitely be points here are not wanted, right?



But now I have to direct the topic to 1miau, since he is the main reason why this topic was opened here (but it should remain hidden). I'm sure that he encouraged Kamix (if he were to be a different person at all) to open a thread here so that he doesn't have to officially take the first step (I've been threatened with opening it for a long time). I have him on Ignore and can't read his posts but I'm sure he must have posted accusations against me here as well. I was insulted by him on a daily basis and although I asked him several times to have a polite conversation with me, this didn't stop.

His attacks on me started in the Corona thread (off-topic), after I asked everyone in the thread to calm down a bit (at this time I didn't want to mention 1miau personally so as not to portray him badly, although he actually insulted everyone) and then began his attacks on my person. Since then I've been called a shitposter, liar, rule-breaker, etc. but those are just the harmless terms, there were even worse things. Since the 1st trust entry I have him on the ignore list after the moderator asked me not to continue the conflict, since then he has written 2 more trust entries on the same topic, then Nestade and Kamix also wrote the same entries on me, well should someone explain to me whether that is actually the purpose of the trust system?

After his 1st trust entry there was sharp criticism from almost all members of the German board because the content would not correspond to the truth and his actions would be wrong. To name just a few members who have written reviews who might also want to write their impressions: Lakai01 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1724800), mole0815 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1424178), MinoRaiola (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1280964), ... Read here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5392188.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5392188.0)

Then there was a reference to Hhampuz who allegedly called me a shitposter, which is absolutely not true, since we only had a small discussion about which posts would not have been counted and for what reason. In the meantime I had exchanged a few messages with Hhampuz and as far as I know he is very satisfied with my posts, so the statements in the trust entries are absolutely not correct.

Since it was also mentioned that I break the rules: I have never made a statement that I want to break the rules. I have stated that I am not interested in the rules witch are set up by 1miau, he can keep his opinion to himself, there are forum rules that I abide by and our moderator will inform me if I should break the rules, where of course I would correct myself.

Now that I ignored him and he wrote more trust entries about me and I still ignored him, he started attacking and insulting other colleagues even harder: They are not human and would support murderers etc. the colleagues are welcomed to comment on it. He's currently on the ignore list of at least 6 persons I know, which is a lot for a local board! He has even attacked our moderator Mole0815 several times, accusing him of not following the rules because he doesn't censor our opinions. Our moderator has already warned him several times and because his attacks are not stopped, he sees himself forced to ban some topics in the off-topic area in order to at least create a small harmony.

Then I was also accused of falsifying trust entries because I had given MinoRaiola a positive trust after he had also written me one. I don't see what's wrong with that as I didn't write my trust entry as a consideration but to show his help and support (for years) as a trust which I hadn't done before.

In the German area, many accounts are insulted from 1miau every day. Recently he has started using Nazi statements "Russenschweine" so he calls all Russians pigs. All of us are absolutely not in favor of the war in Ukraine, however, there are disagreements about the causes and consequences of the war and this is absolutely normal, but he cannot accept other opinions and attacks everyone who has opposing opinions. You can't have a factual and polite discussion with him.



Now I also ask you something, just because someone makes useful posts in the forum, does that legitimize the person to insult and lying about others?

I also only read positive things about 1miau before Corona, but since there have been discussions in the off-topic area, it has changed completely. He is constantly attacking our members and our moderator will definitely write something about this. 1miau will try to manipulate you with lies and untruths, so please let the other side comment first before you judge.

For your information only, our moderator is currently on vacation and will definitely get back to you in the next few days.



To sum it all up, I didn't threaten Kamix with anything and this thread is just there to attack me in the process.

I feel now that the German are divided into two sides. It's time for Russia to take the advantage and attack Germany 😂



Unknown01 vs 1miau
https://i.imgur.com/rDWjwM2.jpg

Frankly speaking, ya all need a break! Seriously, I mean it 😘

All of us know your "be nice to us (shitposters)" already. We will bring up again posts advocating to increase posting quality, doesn't matter that you don't like it.
As I said in the other thread:

According to MinoRaiola and Unknown01 "a harmonious community" is a community where shitposting is tolerated or encouraged.
Such a mindset is destrying the forum from within.

Keep in mind: your low quality posts, spam- and troll posts are not beneficial for the forum.
Your paid campaign won't advertise on Bitcointalk, when there are only shitposters.
Unfortunately, you were mentioned in igehh's latest list for Gambling shitpostings (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5403475.0).  :D :D

He's completely right there.

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LOL
"Mobbing" low quality spammers.  :D :D :D :D

There's much more "mobbing" going on: Wall of fame / shame. Shit posts so bad that they are actually funny (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4564216.0)

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Half a dozen trolls is not "many users".
And yes, I will continue to push for a better posting quality and call out your abuses.
What do you say about your inappropriate use of positive trust? (http://Dangerous and inappropriate use of Trust: giving positive Trust for Shitposters)

Nothing of course, because you will lose your DT2 position quickly!

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Your words are archived already, multiples times.
You really don't know that the forum has multiple tools to save your initially posted content?
Ever heard about Ninjastic.space (https://ninjastic.space/) or Loyce.club (https://loyce.club/archive/posts/)?
It's not useful to harass Newbies without reasons!

If we can get more players together, then we can play a football match. I like to play defence ;-)

I remember the time and the messages. It is well described here and many users have write their opinion.

But unfortunately the attacks don't stop even if you ignore them (an attempt to end the conflict).. We're all tired of being attacked by shady accounts all the time so I hope things can be sorted out here  ;D

The solution would be very easy: get sane and stop you Bullshit.
For the sake of everyone.

Now, you are going to attack newbies only because Kamix dared to debunk your braindead trollpost?
Seriously?  :D


You (mistakenly) showed us your lack of knowledge about forum rules and DT standards already multiple times.

You don't know how DT works, what it's about and how it's used in an appropriate way.
I don't need to talk much here, see: Dangerous and inappropriate use of Trust: giving positive Trust for Shitposters (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5404167.0)

You used Trust to bolster your own rating, to bolster MinoRaiola's rating, your shitposter friend.
Had nothing to do with trust, should be neutral!
Imagine a word, where everyone gives out a positive trust to befriended accounts. It would be insane!
It’s encouraging spam and scam.
Every shitposter would start to increase their trust-score by farming trust with each other.

Your lack of DT standards related knowledge is embarassing, same linke MinoRaiola.

The German loacl board is not a shitposter enabling zone!
And it's not gonna be a shitposter enabling zone, Not today, not tomorrow, never!


You have severely defamed Kamix and threatened him to report him to theymos.
It's archived.  (https://loyce.club/archive/posts/6044/60448857.html)


So, you are openly saying, that Nestade, an account from 2013 is my Alt?
LOL, you are getting delusional.
Just because you dislike our engagement against abusers like you?

We have much more support but it's getting tiresome to debunk your bullshit.
You are just here to use Bitcointalk for your own agenda, get paid some lousy sats for shitposting and that's it.
Of course you dislike us because we are not going to enable your sigspam zone.




Not true!
Everything is available what you've said!

The most ridicuous thing was, when you are reminded that pyramid quoting is against the rules and not beneficial for the forum.
You insisted on it!  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5392188.msg59672279#msg59672279)

See bullrun2020bro's
[META] Pyramiden-Quotes im deutschsprachigen Board  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5391819.0)

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Your lies are tiresome, everyone can see it that you are wrong. (https://loyce.club/archive/posts/6044/60448857.html)

One more ridiculous point: your insults are completely unfouded! 6 spammers from our local board are not "the german board"!  :D
But they are spamming the German board and throwing their insults at everyone who's calling out their misbehaviour. They are always starting the trouble and they are masively butthurt, when they are called out. Also with defamations because they don't like to be called out.
They like to derail civil discussion. It's always them.
Some are just here for paid posting, some are here because they have too much free time.

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The fact, that you are not backing down from your abuses will make your account completely distrusted from DT and in case you keep your insults going against establised accounts and contributors like Nestade, bullrun2020bro, me and several newbies going, you'll be called out again for your abuses and your defamations.
You are spamming the forum every day and spreading lies and insults, when you are called out. We don't need childish, disgusting trolls.

Hereby, I call you a "proud shitposter" because you are proud of producing low quality spam.
You are, together with MinoRaiola, a proud misuser of positive trust to bolster your trust score to get more easily into singnature campaigns.

Now, you are attacking established accounts for pointing out how bad your behaviour is for Bitcointalk.

You should be nowhere near DT, you should be removed from future singature campaings because that's why you are here.
Not for contributions.

But go ahead and keep digging your own hole!  ;)

As already said, I didn't attack him in any way and anyone who speaks German can see that too. Even if you use the translator you can see that I didn't threaten anyone. So don't try to distract from the real problem with "1miau". In the next few days some more of our board will definitely comment on the problems and these will not be newbie accounts, they´ll be long-standing legendarys. I'm already looking forward to the feedback from mole0815 (moderator of german board), so that our English community can also see who is actually causing the problem.

My statement to Kamix in german was: "Irgendwie vermehren sich diese Newbie Accounts die aggressiv und beleidigend sind wie Parasiten im deutschen Bereich, sollte man eventuell mal tatsächlich theymos melden. Ich habe bereits eine Liste von allen verdächtigen Accounts - mache ich demnächst mal wirklich."

In english: Somehow the newbie accounts increase which are aggressive and abusive like a virus in the German area, I should actually report this acounts theymos. I already have a list of all suspicious accounts - I'll actually do that soon.

And whether theymos is interested or not isn't your decision, because you said before that it wasn't in his interest if I sent him a list.


1miau thinks it's funny that I know 6 accounts (all are longer than him registered in the forum) that have him on ignore. If I know 6 accounts, how many will there be that I don't know about? In the same breath, he proudly presents 2 accounts that are on his side (bullrun and Nestade). Funnily enough, at least 3 people have already reported here to defend me (all longer than 1miau in the forum and with a high rank). In the coming days, others will certainly have their say, let's just let the German community testify, if the majority defends me, then it's clear who's right and who's wrong, isn't it? But for 1miau, the majority of the German community are Shitposter anyway.

@1miau this is the first time I've writing to you since a long time: you are so sure that you are right, so here is my offer to you: I will put down my signature if more than 50% of the German established community (at least 10 merits in the last 3 months from 5 different people and at least senior member rank) support your view that your trust entry was justified and I'm a shitposter, but if more than 50% don't agree, then you put your signature down! Deal?

It seems to be a very fair deal and like in a democracy the majority decides, you're for democracy right?  :)

Are you posting on a different forum?
You attacked me out of nowhere in our Signature campaign thread, when I wrote, that the posting quality should always be high, not only when you want to apply for a good campaign.

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Calling Kamix "aggressive and abusive like a virus" is appropriate?  :D
Surely not!
And you forgot your other insults against Kamix!

https://loyce.club/archive/posts/6044/60448857.html

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Idiots like Poly#Crypto posting such russian propaganda?

Archived (https://archive.ph/V4p6d#selection-9619.0-9619.11)
And there's more of it...
Of course will will comment on it and call you war Kremlin trolls.

That's BADecker, Tash and be.open crap.  :D


Yeah, it's completely understandable that pro-russian propaganda trolls like Poly#Crypto are on your side @Unknown01!

It's a shame that they are on your side.
Well, I'm not surprised..

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I'm going to agree to that deal but you are the one saying, "the german board" is supporting your wrongdoings, so you need to show 50% of that board supporting you as a shitposter.  :D
Will be funny.
And in addition, you should change your positive trust on MinoRaiola's account to neutral.

Do you agree?

@1miau: I'm just responding to the topic with my offer because I don't have time at the moment: I'll open a thread on the German board and we'll let it run for 1-2 months, everyone who is entitled can then cast their vote there and we'll count the votes after the runtime. The loser will not participate in any campaign for at least 6 months or until the other agrees. If you agree I'll get to work tomorrow or tuesday, there are no insults, no discussions there is only voting and no one is going to try to change the opionion of others with any claims, I think most of our community have heard everything?

We can then agree on the exact agreements/contract details afterwards, but the trust is not part of this (it's just that I'm a shitposter in your opinion and Mino is definitely not).

Should be posted it here or in Meta, easy as that.
And a neutral, trusted user will set it up.

Make 50 Merit earned threshold, last 120 days to weed out shitposters and alt accounts.  ;)
Merit count up to today, last 120 days.
You know about the tools.
And the bet is: removing signature forever.

Your fraudulent positive Trust is out of the bet (but should be removed anyways as it's dangerous and inappropriate use of positive).

Are you in?

I didn't think my post would make such waves. But this thread perhaps shows all too well how the German-speaking board is doing. First of all, I would like to thank you for all the responses and respond to a few points:

- I am obviously not a fake account, regardless of what Unknown01 and his friends claim in order to damage my reputation. It feels a bit like I've hit a sore spot and he doesn't know how to help himself other than to attack with such false accusations.

I am glad that I will probably not be banned for my opinion and therefore I would like to continue expressing it.

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I think for the German-speaking board the moderator mole0815 is responsible, but here could be the real problem. If we go back to the facts, the following things stand out to me:

- We have the user Unknown01 who threatens other users and cheats his way to positive feedbacks using the DT function of the forum and his friends
- We have old accounts that suddenly wake up and try to improve their DT position in the forum via trust farming. These accounts only post in certain boards and posting Russian propaganda
- The accounts seem to possibly belong together, as they all post similar views and back each other up (trusts, positive feedbacks)
- The users seem to know each other in real life and almost all of them are from Austria (you can read that in a thread where they plan to have a meeting together in Austria). The moderator mole0815 is also from Austria.
- All accounts seem to be in a common telegram group and coordinate their steps with each other there, including the board moderator mole0815.

And this is where it gets interesting in terms of moderation of the German language board. Why is the user Unknown01 bragging about having to discuss my punishment with the German board moderator mole0815 and the other colleagues in a private telegram group? Here is the screenshot of a post Unknown01 wrote today.

https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F6ZFUcdb.png&t=638&c=ga7F6PyUfU-Xpw

It basically says: "@Mole: Sorry for off topic, but we can discuss it personally in our group with the other colleagues."

What is interesting is that this post was edited after a few minutes (cutting the part with the private discussion with the moderator mole0515) and even deleted a short time later. Why was it edited and deleted? Clearing up any evidence? Who deleted it? Unknown01 or the moderator mole0815?

If I understand correctly, the moderator of the German language board is in a Telegram group with his friends. Of course, this is not a problem in itself. But a moderator is supposed to ensure a neutral and fair moderation, isn't he?

Now it is no wonder that Unknown01 is so aggressive towards other accounts when he knows that he has no danger to fear from his friend and moderator mole0815. Furthermore, Unknown01 has already posted here in the thread several times that the moderator mole0815 will speak up here in the thread and fully support him.

It all seems very strange to me. What has happened to the Bitcointalk forum when moderation is no longer fair and neutral and aggressive users who abuse the trust system can suppress other accounts through moderation. It can not be that aggressive users who abuse the trust system and threaten other users with a ban also receive support from the official moderator of the forum?

Are there other moderators besides mole0815 who are responsible for the German-speaking board? Or can he rule all by himself? If there are not, that's pretty fucked up.

Haha… okaay i‘m agressive and 1miau pretty much excludes 90% of the community from Sr. Member rank in my offer. so in the German board there are only maybe 10-15 persons who are not shitposters this is sad for us.. As I told you, my conditions are fair and most will agree that 10 merits from 5 people and Sr. member rank will be sufficient to qualify.

I'm busy right now and can't go into detail about the lies, but I'll make up for it in the next few days. I think it's best that a newbie account appears out of nowhere and is perfectly informed about all past events and even attacks mole... spectacular!

Nice catch, looks like Unknown01 is trying to influence the German moderator mole0815 in a private Telegram group, since both are from Austria. That's shady as shit from Unknown01 but wouldn't surprise me.
He's going full long con here.
Unknown01 has caused trouble since a very long time and his biggest issue is his inability to admit his mistakes like Shitposting and Trust farming.

I'm sorry that he threatened you and I can assure you that's not how the German community (and Bitcointalk) is in general.
Most members are very helpful, very friendly and welcoming.
Unknown01 and Poly#Crypto are not the German community and especially not Bitcointalk as a whole.

You are very welcome here and we appreciate your comments in the German section, where you always provide valuable insights so far.
Please don't get discouraged by a few trolls, it's always taking some time to weed out the bad eggs.  :)

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That your shitposter friends can get in?
Sure, that's how you would like it.  :D
Maybe let's ask the altcoin spammers about their opinion of the Merit system and if it should be removed!  ::)

So, nice try, but no, only quality posters are qualified!



There are quite a few people completely fed up with your bullshit and your abuse...
And Kamix is active since 2020.
@Unknown01, your most recent excessive bullshit campaign started in Fall 2021...
But keep attacking newbies, it seems to be your agenda to scare good posters away, that you can create your shitposts without any backlash...

My opinion for colleagues here:
All the people present here are my witnesses that I offered a fair deal and wanted to let the German community decide. All up from senior member rank with minimum 10 earned merits from 5 different people in the last 3 months (actually I meant the last 120 days) would have been entitled to vote, but 1miau decides independently who is a Shitposter on the German board and who is not, and it mainly depends on who represents his opinion and who represents an opposing opinion. He knows that he doesn't have a chance and therefore doesn't get involved in a democratic vote and counters again with his standard statement: All Shitposter. So let's make it clear: All members on the German board are for 1miau from the rank of senior (or higher) with <50 merits are shitposters. Does the English community really see it that way? My proposed solution was simple and, in my opinion, fair and difficult to manipulate.

I offered this deal even though 1miau distributes the most merits in the German area alongside qwk and therefore has very high decision-making powers as to who receives merits and who does not. Do I have to show more to prove he's lying?

I guarantee you that the majority of the German community doesn't share 1miau's view and that's why he calls them all shitposters. It's not just me and Poly, thandie and MinoRaiola have already spoken up in this thread alone and as I said, more colleagues will get in touch.
The group only meant our chat function in the forum and I don't know any of the colleagues from the German area personally from real life. Of course, attempts are again made to distract or manipulate by means of lies.

Just in the last few days, the following users were for 1miau Shitposter (because they have a different opinion): Unknown01 (me), thandie, MinoRaiola, s0nix, Poly#Crypto, Beobachter_90, Koal-84. So 7 persons from the German area who were all against his opinion have been called shitposters and only in the last few days, is that normal for you? Do you also call all those who don't represent your opinion shitposters? Do I have a wrong picture of our society and freedom of expression? Especially in a Bitcoin forum, freedom of expression should be valued very highly, whereby we don't insult others but 1miau and nestade constantly insult us with nasty swear words. They play down Nazis and insult all Russians (all russians are pigs and nazis and killers and so on..), although I am sure that a large part of Russians are against the war like we are!

1miau constantly claims that there are many people who are fed up with me but he doesn't want to get involved in a deal like the one described above, although he thinks I'm posting to get btc, which is also a false claim. As I said, I have already written posts from time to time without a signature and that I meet the minimum requirements and seeing this in the spreadsheet is also a lie, if you want to know more about it, you should look at the sheet and see immediately based on the last 10 weeks that I wrote an average of 24.3 posts per week and required were an average of 19 since the requirements have been lowered.

I don't quote or answer him because he's on ignore my ignore-list and will remain there




If you're going to quote, then do it correctly, without attempting to manipulate it, because the way you quote my statement puts it in a completely different light!

So in your opinion, an inactive account can appear out of nowhere with a newbie status and call other accounts swear words, tell them to move to Russia to eat Putin's ass and then make the worst accusations at the moderator? In my opinion definitely not, we haven't been on the forum for years to be insulted or defamed by any new trolling accounts.

But we all know that you don't think insults are bad, so it's understandable that you accept or even support the fact that a new account simply insults long-established members and attacks the moderator.


As I said, other colleagues from the German area will definitely be in touch in the coming days and then the colleagues from the English area will also see what kind of people 1miau and Nestade really are. It's not great to be insulted every day even though you actually ignore your counterpart now, I'm sick of being attacked by this trolls and liars!

Exactly.
All we want in the german-speaking section is a fair and objective debate.
But this is not possible because @1miau provokes and trolls again and again.
He quite deliberately wants to destroy any discussion.
He has a pretty stupid way to spit at the members in order to produce reports.

He has no manners
He has a bad upbringing
He has no respect for others
He does not follow any rule (double post, triple post, shitpost, off topic spam)

Some established users have already left the forum due to his mobbing.
His trolling is absolutely not acceptable.

Ignore button works, you all should use it. I know I read someone say they cannot ignore because some of the posts from whomever need a response, but that's not true. Just ignore and go on with life. Start reporting posts if you feel they're attacks or threats.

Other option is to pull out your dicks and do the measurement!!!!

Maybe they just placed a ~DefaultTrust inside their trust list. Because almost all of the users on that list are DT1.

Well... I have also been threatened several times threads in meta and reputation if I do not moderate according to certain wishes.
And in which direction I " have to" moderate you explain me fortunately all constantly by any reproaches and also PNs.

I don't want to say anything about it because I
1) have been confronted with the issues raised here between group 1 and 2 for several months already,
a) already had to spend way too much time on it,
b) have already spent far too many nerves on it.

2) Is there no solution that satisfies you.

3) I see already the next (always and always repeating) reproaches pelting down on me because I dare to have my own opinion on the matter.

4) I can no longer read these incredibly long and repetitive statements. It is so tedious to follow the accusations when they are always cross-quoted, which in most of the texts are just repetitive sentences anyway.

At the end still something positive. Finally there is the right place to address some problems and the unnecessary threads in the German subboard are closed from now on. We should have done it much earlier but then it would have spread even worse to various other places.
Just a pity for the good mood we had in our little round but Corona and the current war split the society (unnecessary because we all sit in the same boat). I can't do anything about that and no matter how nice I try to be.... some people don't discuss anymore to win but just to force their own opinion on the rest and that's not OK.

Statistics since Friday. So this is what it looks like after 3 days here... do you think this is fun?

https://abload.de/img/unbenanntnijkw.png


And no it's not nice that I have to deal with here all the time. Meanwhile the ( unnecessary ) moderation of your problems which you could carry out with pleasure privately eats up almost my complete time which I would rather use here for nice things.
Because I still say it. We are here because we all have one thing in common! Attitude to life? Hobby? Profession? Whatever... but here it is about the BTC (with all the gimmicks) and not about topics that anyway bring nothing to anyone except to satisfy their own ego.

thandie will Massenzensur (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5398702.0)
EU-Kommission will die Massenüberwachung (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5398691.0)
Corona (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5228542.0)
Deutsche Fehlerkultur (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5402801.0)
Corona, Russland vs. EU bzw. Amerika etc. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5386945.0)

And if it goes on like this I ask theymos to close the German off-topic area completely. There is no censorship on Bitcointalk and you have to live with that.
But in the meantime it is enough.

P.S. To clarify. 1. I am neutral and I certainly won't be accused of that to the contrary and 2. I was and I am still in NO telegram group with the people involved here in the thread. That's a fact. Sure there have been several PNs with X users but that is no secret. These "group messages" here were from and in both directions/groups.

While mole0815 could be the one responsible of German board, the problem I was talking about is generic, hence I would have been preferring an answer from somebody who is not already fed up with the drama in German sub (and for good reason!).


 :D ;D Interesting conclusion.
While Ignore is a great option, while I do recommend it for the sake of people's sanity, it's not the best option.
I do have my admiration for those who have the patience to counter and report the ones who fill the forum with garbage. We do need this kind of people too.

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I see the army of trolls are all here now? I've seen lies, I've seen normal posts accused to be trolling, I see they want to enforce their alternate reality. Interesting.
One laughable argument I see repeated like a mantra is that this or that is disrespectful. Well, I want to tell that lying is even more disrespectful, so.. yeah..

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@mole0815: I feel for you. On the other hand I am almost sure that all the bigger national communities face similar problems. How the others handle them?

I saw the chaos growing bigger from the start and also arriving here at some point.
For this reason, I communicated the issue to my staff colleagues some time ago.

There is no general solution for different opinions. That's fine and Bitcointalk is good as it is.
But not everyone likes it and that's why they try with all their might to make the problems bigger and bigger instead of looking for a solution (together).

Just maybe you know that 10 (earned) Merit are basically nothing.  :D
I've not said that every account under 50 earned Merit is a shitposter, it's highly dependant on activity and registration date.
But for your bet it just sounds extremely shady. We can set it up with neutral conditions, with a neutral trusted user from DT1, not where you are manipulating the rules in your favour.  :D

Regarding your lies: you can repeat them 100 times, doesn't make them more true.
You can repeat your insults and defamations 100 times, doesn't make them more true.

Your disgusting behaviour and constant derailing of discussions with your lies is the problem, not us, calling it out

You were also called out by qwk in the German section, the most established German member
You were also called out by bullrun2020bro in the German section, another very constructive poster and insulted him with your lies!

Now, you are insulting Nestade, me and Newbies, what's next?

You are a disgrace for the German board! Get your shit together and stop acting like a child!

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Facts aren't something for Unknown01, he's living in his own fairy tale where a "harmonious community" is, where breaking forum rules is allowed, misusing positive trust is allowed, insulting Newbies is tolerated, derailing discussions is a standard and spreading lies is totally normal.

It's so sad that these people like Unknown01 are not self-reflecting at all that their behaviour is causing huge damages to the forum.
Yes, they are not only contributing nothing, they are also damaging Bitcointalk actively.

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Not sure but it would be something to investigate.
At least for @thandie I can say, that it's a highly customized trust list and the most interesting part on his trust list are his inclusions of active trolls from local sections such like

~wolwoo
~vispilio
~be.open

https://i.imgur.com/QCjUjso.png

https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/334684.html

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That would be very sad but it's your decision.

We all know who the contributors are and who's just here to post nonsense every time, who's always starting the shitshow.
Quite a lot of members have contributed a lot to our local board like qwk, bullrun2020bro or Lafu etc, just to mention a few,
Everyone can check the account and look up created topics. Discussions have been very productive until suddenly, some troll accounts woke out of nothing.

We have clear rules on the forum and trolling is against the rules, off-topic is against the rules. Creating new threads about already discussed topics, just to get more views is against the rules. All of it is rule 1.

I have been in contact with Lafu, he's still sometimes acive on the German section.
We are all not amused with Unknown01's and his friends behaviour.
I haven't ever seen low-quality posters being so aggressive (and I've seen a lot). Normally, we would expect a "plz, Sir, don't damage my account, it's important for earn".
But Unknown01 is completely delusional.

I'm sure, you have found a good solution because closing the German board completely would be very sad.  :'(

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Same here, some reporters are doing a very important job and dedicating ther time to clean the forum from spam. Some have several 10k reports.
I'm doing my best to clean up the German board and also some violating posts in the international part when I come over them but I'm still at 1k reports.  :D

Big kudos to all reporters here!

Because when violating posts are getting deleted frequently, the producers will (hopefully) stop posting similar posts.

OK Mole, I understand the situation in the German section a little better now. I envy your reports (because I am a greedy person), but I don't envy your place :).

@German keyboard warriors : the only thing you will agree is that you will never agree and you won't change your mind. Why waste your (and our) time ? IRL if your neighbor/parents/friends/colleagues doesn't agree with you, will you do everything to make him change his mind ?


Good idea. I thought of a duel with end at first blood (we are not barbarians). Or the IQ test thing... that was a joke, but it's not so stupid.
Maybe in a few years, with metaverses, virtual reality helmets, a super AI, if you're too dumb... bzzzzz... brain burned. Problem solved :).*

* If you take my sentence seriously and didn't see the little touch of humor/sarcasm, you are definitely too stupid and deserve to have your brain burned.

We've pointed out the ignore function dozens of times, but instead of using it we've had neutral trust entries and threats that the accounts that post against their opinion will be reported in the reputation thread... Quite apart from that, we‘ve been insulted every day by these trolls. I don't know how many months 1miau has now been ignored by me and yet he still quotes me daily(!). He has no interest in making peace. Otherwise the problem would have been solved long ago, because I haven't reacted to his posts for months. Well, your suggestion is great, but unfortunately it doesn't work on one side as long as everyone else is still being attacked (and as I said, he’s on a lot of ignore lists and still attacks the persons).

I think all of my colleagues will agree that if 1miau and Nestade agree to ignore us all without ever mentioning us other again, the problem would be solved forever. :)
I don't know who they will be able to interact with afterwards (since they argue with pretty much everyone in the German community) but I don't care.  ;D :D

Insulting is not against forum rules. Trolling is. You (and your friends) keep insisting on insulting like it would be an offense, while it's not.
In the same way you insist others ignore you (and hence leave you alone) if they don't share your views, you can also do the same about them, especially if you feel so much insulted.

Although I'm still new to the forum and I might not know some few things yet but nevertheless, threatening people with ban especially the new comers is absolutely wrong no matter how much they differ from your opinion. As for @unknown01 you should have justified your claims as he requested instead of threatening him. And for OP, I will suggest you report to moderator when next such thing happens so that the issue can be resolved amicably. However, I don't actually subscribe to this idea of making a thread in order to maintain our reputation.

That's not true, we have sent you and MinoRaiola a PM that you and your friends used positive trust and that it's not how positive trust is intended to use.  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5404167.0)
You used a positive trust to counter my neutral trust and you circled meaningless positive trust with your friends.
We wanted to solve it in a civil manner before addressing it in Reputation, so we sent a PM.
We received insults back as an answer.  ::)
Lafu added an entry in our German DT thread.  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5192157.msg59859488#msg59859488)  
No reaction from your side!  
DT is a decentralized network, is that so hard to understand for you? Issues will be brought up and DT decides if that's appropriate use of trust or not.
We are presenting our evidence, DT is reviewing our evidence.
Without derailing discussions!

And the decision from DT hast to be accepted!

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Your trust list is not my issue!
So you want to forbid that I reply to people where I'm on the ignore list?  :D :D
I'm free to read all posts, I'm free to reply to all posts!

Assuming you are team one and Unknown01 side is team two. The following applies for both team to restore peace.

When you see a shitpost, report it to local moderator. If he removes it then it's a shitpost. If he does not then it's fine. It may still look shitpost to you but he is a man and the forum also gave him right to judge a report before removing it. Whatever you get from the report, be happy and move on. Use the report button, it's there for you always.

Merit can be sent to anyone and admin does not mind. As long as they are not misusing source merit (if anyone from them) then there are no problem. If anyone is using source merit as misuse form then theymos will remove the merit source. Any such case for a merit source can be reported to admin.

Anyone is using trust feedback to favour their own interest, use "~" before their name in your trust setting page. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust)

Finally ignore button really helps. If anyone is quoting you, talking wrong against you, let them continue. They will stop once there will not have any reply in it from you.

I still have my popcorn, it's delicious 😂

This is very important to read from Lafu because Lafu has deep understanding of how DT is working. Lafu is even rankend higher in DT than I.
I've translated Lafu's statement, it was originally posted here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5192157.msg59859488#msg59859488

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But no need to order new one because mole0815 acted already.
Hopefully, the dust will settle now, DT will judge and at least we've had a funny discussion here.  :D

I would also recommend a beer with the popcorn.  ;D


@Yawa2020: I wonder if I can't express myself? I didn't threaten anyone with a ban (explained several times above) so please the next one who says ban again buys me a beer, without alcohol it's no longer bearable  ;D



so it's allowed to insult others in the forum, e.g. if I told you now go and lick XY's ass or you're a pig or not a human, interesting that that's okay. :D

The way you're talking usually tells a lot about yourself. First post of yours in this topic you were lying, now this. This is the picture you're offering.
Interesting that 5 years and 3700 posts on this forums and you didn't care about its rules.

It might get removed (trolling), similar to spam, there are rules:


The most important thing is: people should have self-awareness and stop derailing discussions.
As far as I know, you and your spam friends are always starting the clown show and then, you are acting surprised when your bullshit is debunked!


Did you read the statement from Lafu?
I guess no because you have me already on ignore again?

That's your issue!
You are not willing to learn, not willing to admit the mistakes like your trust circling, so don't act surprised when it's presented on Reputation, dude!

I would go along with that deal, sounds fair to me. I'll put down my signature as well. If the community feels that this will promote quality and make it better, then we can do this. Let's go 1miau, it's your turn.

Maybe we should allow a period of time for the decision?

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I prefer to eat a good steak and of course something nice to drink... not really a beer for me.

I'm really starting to think that you don't understand me because of my articulation? These swear words are statements by 1miau and his colleagues that were used against us and I ask you if this is actually allowed in the forum? I don't think so, but you meant that swearing is allowed.

My statements have already been confirmed by 3 other Legendary/Hero's (MinoRaiola, thandie, s0nix) so I don't know if I'm really that wrong here.

Why not choosing neutral conditions, the conditions are known:

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+1
This!

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Stop twisting my words, I said it's inhuman to support the russian invasion against Ukraine and Putin's ass lickers should go visit the bombed cities in Ukraine that they are getting an impression what's happening there.
Your problem is: you don't like it to be called out for your Kremlin troll posts.  :D
That's your issue!  :D
Yes, we will keep debunking your inhuman nonsense.  :)
Don't you think it's not completely inhuman that Putin is bombing whole cities and destroys lives?

You are so delusional!

But what do I expect from someone who's proud to have people like Poly#Crypto on their side, a BADecker or be.open level troll: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5386945.msg60450501#msg60450501
It's already archived!

[moderator's note: consecutive posts merged]

But there are different views from when something is declared as an insult and / or trolls.

That's where the problems start, because there is also rule 23 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0), for example, but no matter how hard you try - impossible to make it right for everyone.

In addition, it is just as forbidden to make double posts, to report the same post again and again (until you get the desired result) or to post deleted texts again.
And what happens? All of the above.
So if you take it very strictly, probably all users who were named/shown here have already violated several times against various rules.

My suggestion which has already been mentioned several times and would also help 100%: Everyone looks for the 2-5 users with whom he has a problem, clicks on Ignore and leaves it at that. Easy.

@all
Here will be no end what makes all of you happy. But maybe the Ignore function.
I am now really out of here again because actually I was on vacation to be able to do the pending tasks properly. And now? I come back recovered and have to spend directly again X hours with topics that I actually do not want to have in my life.

@1miau
It is not fair now to bring various other names into the game to give the impression that everyone has a problem with various users.
Who has something to say should comment here please itself.
Because I also do not write here all XX users with whom I already had discussions because of the happenings in the German area. Neither pro nor contra team 1, 2 or a, b.

That's correct.


I keep telling the users: when you're not sure, report it and leave the mod interpret the rules as he thinks. Nobody's perfect.


 :D so true


Indeed, if one feels it's too much, then ignore is the best approach.
And if he can still handle and didn't ignore, then report what can be reported ;)


Ouch! Maybe you take it slow/easy then for now. Time uses to solve this in a way or another.
It can end with both sides chill, it can end with death threats (hence proper ammo for actual sanctions). Maybe I should not have been saying this...

I don't want to get too deep into the discussion, since it's not productive anyway, but a few things I'd like to add since I was mentioned several times by different users. I might be a longer post, but I think it's pretty helpful to understand the situation.

When I signed up here on Bitcointalk in 2020, I found the German board to be very helpful. Here I noticed especially the users qwk, Lafu, Lakai01 and also 1miau, who provide amazing Bitcoin and Cryptocurrency content (!) day by day since my membership here. These users are well-educated experts for Bitcoin (qwk), Cardano (Lakai01) or Avalanche (1miau). If you have a question concerning a topic you ask it in one of the threads and these users will give amazing answers within a few hours. Such an easy way to obtain complex information on a subject, I have never experienced before joining Bitcointalk. This is what the Bitcointalk community should be about.

On the other hand, there is a growing group of users on the German board who don't really add value to a discussion. Meaningless one-liners are posted, previous posts are not read, unreadable pyramid quotes are posted and the actually important information gets lost among all the crap. Unfortunately, this has a lot to do with the signature campaigns, which have led to some users (unfortunately) seeing Bitcointalk exclusively as a simple source of money, where you log in for a few minutes a week to quickly get $100.

The community feeling mentioned here has been completely lost as a result. When Unknown01 talks about it, he does not mean the Bitcointalk community as such, but the users who represent his opinion. I have argued with the user several times in the past because I asked him to at least refrain from the extremly annonying pyramid quotes and the low value answers. Unfortunately, a discussion with the user is impossible. He is not interested in the forum, the community or Bitcoin as such. It is mainly about the quick cash that you can make here for very very (!) little effort.

This is no criticism of the bounty managers, but if they would speak German, the German board would have to be excluded from every campaign IMHO. That's how bad the quality is now and of course Unknown01 is not solely responsible for that. There are many users who have become very comfortable over the years. However, because this issue has been swept under the table for so long, nothing has changed yet.

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And then came Corona. Things went from bad to horrible. Look where we stand today: 250 pages full of insults and bullshit discussions (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5228542.4980), that add absolutely no value. It's lost time - for everyone.

The only thing it does is that German speaking users who discover Bitcointalk find a board where endless, irrelevant discussions take place. Insults are spoken and conspiracy theories are spread. A real shame for the German speaking Bitcoin community. A stronger intervention should have been made much earlier, as I have long demanded. What made matters worse, however, is that the political discussions were not limited to the single Corona thread. The entire German forum has increasingly become a place for pointless political discussions.

Now there were two problems: The low quality of the posts and the escalating political discussions.

Some users turned into true keyboard warriors when it came to representing political points of view. However, still posted low value when it came to Bitcoin or crypto-related topics. I am always surprised why so much time is spent on such pointless discussions, when one could also spend that time on Bitcoin.

In the meantime the fighting grew more and more and beside the discussions about Corona people started fighting about Russia and Ukraine. Many lies were posted and various accounts woke up to exclusively spread their "opinion" propaganda about Russia. Some of these accounts Unknown01 calls his colleagues. But everybody can probably guess what kind of interesting accounts they are. Just read through the threads and you will have an impression after a few posts. Some would call it trolling, others Russian propaganda, and some see it as opinion. In any case, this situation is a toxic mixture that massively harms the German board.

From my point of view, however, it becomes problematic if these accounts now try to climb up DT via manipulation and pointless feedbacks. As a community, we should be concerned that such accounts have no chance to influence the DT ranking.

Unfortunately, our moderator @mole0815 made the mistake of announcing several times that things could not go on like this and that consequences would follow. What were the consequences? None. I am glad that the threads are closed now.

In this context, I find it highly explosive that the user @Unknown01 now posts here that he is in a telegram group with the moderator of the board and thus tries to influence the moderation. However, the moderator denies this statement. Who is lying now? I rather trust @mole0815, but what I don't understand is that you @mole0815 doesn't distance yourself from Unknown01's statements. I mean, he's speaking for you, there are screenshots. Why are you allowing this to happen?

It is not surprising that it leaves a bad impression on many users if there is no clear cut-off here. Users may have the impression that there might be something to the accusations. Especially if you observe the self-confident appearance of @Unknown01 here on Bitcointalk.

IMHO, only if you as a moderator create clear fronts and clearly distinguish yourself from both parties, you can get the problem on the German board under control.

Finally, I can only recommend to mark such accounts with a ~, as I did months ago. This creates certainty that such accounts are not in DT. For everything else, the ignore function is the right option - as long as - and this is the important point - all users can count on fair moderation. As long as the moderator doesn't get the upper hand, it would be better to close the entire German board right away. But I'm confident that @mole0815 can solve the problem, if he takes the right action.

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TLDR; The situation is pretty fucked up.

That could be true, but the point is the time frame the accounts decided to add other members in to their trust lists (Either it was a coordinated move or some accounts are alts)

This situation reminds me of the Turkish board dispute sometime back.

@bro
Nice that you now come and do not spare with criticism of me. We already had that several times and that's OK :)
But to constantly pick on Unknown01 is simply not OK. You are stirring up unnecessary fears that some German users are trying to get DT or earn a few USD too much.

Since you/we all wear paid signatures, this should not be a constant topic, right?
Just leave it at that and press the stupid Ignore button. THAT will save our section.... not the censorship you all want from me.

And to be clear again (although I already have) - neither I am nor have I ever been in a Telegram group with people mentioned here.
I also don't know where this info comes from because I can't find anything about it in the thread. But no big deal since it's just wrong.

And now I'm off again... 36 degrees and the cool water is waiting 8)

Like you, I look for possible solutions and provide constructive criticism to the moderator of our board. How you handle my criticism says more about you than it does about me.

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Please see the screenshot @Nestade provided. The post was obviously deleted afterwards. That you call the issue a "no big deal" unfortunately shows how far we are from solving the problem.

But bullrun2020bro is completely right there...
There's a little bunch of low-quality posters spamming the German section since a while. They don't add value, they are just here to push their own agenda.

But I'm sure that a neutral moderation, where quality posts are frequently encouraged, will be the right message to deliever more quality posts in the German section again.
Posting quality has gone down there for some time now, that's not a secret and it should be important to us to add more contributions.
I'm not interested to get another spamboard there.

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I'm sometimes having the same impression. At least it seems to be somehow an action in the process where their final goal was very clear: improving their own Trust scores with meaningless and fraudulent positive trust.

Lol, I've been in this forum since 2017 and I've been in a signature campaign that's paid in BTC for almost a year? According to your statement, I should have been inactive before 2021 -> please just look at my statistics and see for yourself.


I'm talking about the majority of the German community while 1miau is talking about you, himself and Nestade so I don't know if you believe what you are writing? Is there another long-standing member from the German area who shares your point of view?


Oh yes, that is very much a criticism of the BM. You accuse them of paying for shitposts, so Hhampuz, icopress, yahoo or darkstar aren't intelligent and competent enough to judge if the german section is shitposting but you are? Good to know what you think about our valued BM.




Horror only for those who couldn't deal with the opinions of others. And horror for our moderator because he constantly had to edit incorrect reports.


We all didn't get any benefit from the posts in the off-topic area, do you know whose posts are handsomely rewarded in his campaign? Exactly: 1miau



Everyone is allowed to spend their time on what they want? Hhampuz doesn't count off-topic posts and yet I've been in this area quite often and enjoyed writing posts. That should also be proof enough that I'm not in favor of the bounty in the forum?




Now we're increasing levels, now almost all Germans are evil  ;D :D


If so, there should have been consequences for trolling by 1miau and nestade and you definitely don´t want that  :D


Whaaaat, man, I haven't used telegram for years now  :D Why are you lying like the others now? How often do I have to explain it, the internal chat function in the forum was meant. But yes, invent more lies: maybe we're all sitting around a campfire and drinking beer and already making the next evil plans  ;D


If you don't do anything illegal, you don't need to be intimidated by anyone. Sure I'm appearing confident here, I know I'm telling the truth and it's been confirmed by many, but feel free to ignore it.  ;D


Mole does a great job and doesn't try to push the conflicts any further. In the international section, trolls like 1miau or nestade would have been distrusted long ago for the behavior they show. Mole has been trying to end the conflicts neutrally for months, has asked everyone to use the ignore function several times, but 1miau and Nestade ignore this bravios.


I now take your tip to heart and put you on Distrust and recommend anyone who stands for decency, justice and fairness to distrust these trolls. As if it wasn't enough that they constantly attacked our members and now also called the entire German board shitposter, our moderator, who has always maintained neutrality, is also attacked. But the good thing is, now that the colleagues here can see how you actually tick.

~1miau
~bullrun2020bro
~Nestade


I've wasted enough time here, it's time to live more in real life instead of debunking the lies and accusations of trolls here.

Hear, hear.  

I think it goes without saying that we've got members here whose lives are being directly affected by the Russia/Ukraine conflict, and emotions surrounding that are running high, and that's understandable.  But the fact remains that Theymos has yet to make any proclamations about censorship regarding that or any other political topic, and unless he or any of the moderators take actions like what OP was threatened with, this is a case of a member throwing his weight around and making empty threats.

I know what you're talking about and remember that debacle well, but this seems more over-the-top than some case of clannish-ness on the part of a local board.  That's likely because there are some serious issues behind what's being said with respect to war crimes and such.  Even so, there's no excuse for trying to silence someone for dissent on this forum.  That goes against everything I've come to love and respect about bitcointalk.

Edit:
OK, good to get your side of the story here (which I read after posting the above; please pardon my retardation).  I've never known you to be the bullying type, nor to be a shitposter, and it seems like there are all sorts of accusations flying about recently.  It's probably best for some members to step away from their keyboards and take a breath, especially if online bickering is causing real-life stress.

What an absolute waste of internet space this is!

You‘re so right here. I don't care if I'm DT1 or DT2 or not, why I've written so much here is just because I didn't want to let all the lies and false accusations against me and our board stand. I'm mainly in the German area and everyone there knows that I'm not a shitposter including my BM and 1miau also knows that the majority is behind me, which is why he calls most of them are shitposters too. I've already repeated my offer 3 times, that the German community should decide, but he rejects it, so it's all pointless.

I have no interest in wasting your time (english community) unnecessarily with my long texts and I apologize for the inconvenience caused on my part, from now on Nestade is also on my ignore list, so I can't read his further troll attacks. If I have to comment on something, other highly respected colleagues are welcome to point it out to me, otherwise I won't get involved in any more trolls.

I wish everyone a nice evening, enjoy the time with your friends and families, the forum is not life :)

What about ignoring each other? Sometimes it's better than spending energy fighting together.

If this majority is against @Unknown01 & co and doesn't like them, they should avoid interacting with them. Once they have nobody to talk with, they will leave the forum. If this majority isn't against them, then it means they're "liked" and it's the other party that has a problem.

Using the feedback system how it has been used is surely not the way to go, and in the end, they're themselves losing their credibility

my 2 cents

Sure, so adding your friends to your trust list and sending completely meaningless positive trust ratings to each other was pure coincidence?  ::)


Get real!

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Your bunch of low-quality spam trolls are not "the German board"! Luckily not!  :D
It would be horrible there!
Get real! Your spammer friends are a tiny fraction of the German board and their contribution to the German board is even lower because producing good Bitcoin-related content is done by other accounts! And you are accusing the quality posters constantly, intimidatimg them and derailing the discussion.
Today again, but mole0815 deleted your posts finally!
Your deleted post is archived here (https://loyce.club/archive/posts/6045/60457474.html), where you spread lies again about bullrun2020bro in our local section. There were even more lies edited by you later into this post!  :-X
You are not useful at all but a disgrace to the German section!

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Please read Lafu's translated comments on your misuse of positive trust:


I think the first thing on Bitcointalk, and also in real life, should be the willingness to learn and to improve.
Is it so difficullt at least to try it somehow?

I'd be totally fine with that, but it wouldn't produce the desired outcome for these trolls. I'm being accused of abusing the trust system because I objectively and well-foundedly rated a great helper positively, but the fact that 7 or 8 neutral trust entries (with untruths) are now left on me is not abuse.  :D  Anyway, I don't care let the trolls do what they want, I don't read from them anymore   ;D

In the meantime, the colleagues here have also understood who is on the wrong side and who is on the right side.

Have a nice evening everyone  :)

Even the fact, that there's a majority against them, the spammers and abusers will derail the discussion, not matter how much people are against them.
A very good comparison could be cryptohunter some years ago.
Almost everyone was against him but he was so annoying, he posted his spam everywhere, insulting established accounts whenever he can.

The few troll friends of Cryptohunter helped him to derail the discussion even more.
There were days, when a civil discussion was impossible because cryptohunter lost his mind.

Unknown01's behaviour is giving me flashbacks, when cryptohunter derailed whole threads in Meta and Reputation.
Delusional and completely out of touch with reality...  ::)

This is really not fair especially when its coming from the senior rank members who we are supposed to show good examples so we the junior rank can learn from them. You guys are our idol and we try to learn from you every day. Reading all the posts here and seeing everyone trolling and misunderstanding each other is not the best, please lets settle our differences and make peace.

I have deleted the post including the following 3 posts that the topic finally disappears since it has no place in the "signature thread" anyway.

I received a handful of PN's overnight from users who do not dare to say anything in our area or here "officially" because otherwise of course immediately the next chaos breaks out.
Unknown01 has you on ignore. Just do the same and let's all live happily ever after.

In my opinion, the topic is over (if you want it to be) and everyone involved knows the point of view.
Any further reply, hostility, incitement or even alone marking is unnecessary because you will never become friends so just act neutral.
What is going on here was never in the sense of DT regulation. Every system can be exploited with enough background knowledge and power... And that's what happened, unfortunately.
This is not about winning or losing. There is also no definitive right and wrong because different opinions are simply different opinions.

 :)

You may think so but sometimes i found happiness conversing over here with colleague and friends, responding to post and most especially learning around the forum so i wonder why saying the forum is not life.
sorry i don't mean to attack you

The connections between Unknown01, s0nix, Mino Raiola etc. are really looking shady as hell.
Especially the evidence presented here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5404167.0
And here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5404157.msg60449756#msg60449756

And I've found more evidence.
I think, I'll have some time for a very deep investigation in the upcoming week.

Seems to be a case worth looking into.

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I agree to you.
People have used "Bitcointalk is life" as a motivation for good contributions and have described Bitcointalk as an interesting place that they like to visit.
Or "Bitcointalk is full of life" is also similar.

What is the forum for, what is the purpose of the forum? It's about sharing, about conversations, about gaining experience and answering questions, but if some people start living in the forum as if it were the metaverse, then it becomes problematic or I would worry about that person's psyche. The forum is great to spend some of your free time here, to make new acquaintances and to be able to talk to like-minded people, but if some are striving for a career in the forum, are online 24/7 (like addicting) and are also involved abuse the position they have gained in order to exercise that power, then it all becomes a problem. If you get so worked up that you racially insult groups or nationalities, insult your counterpart and agitate against him, even though he has been ignoring you for months, then that is pathological behavior.

No one should not neglect real life to get a certain rank in a forum or to get a "power". That is the explanation of my statement  :)

Every established member is rather expected to encourage new members and orient them on the norms of the forum. Anything contrary to this is not acceptable. Unknown01, please desist from threatening people of your locals with ban. I have never seen theymos threathen anyone with ban. A user is only banned when it is absolutely obvious and necessary.
It is likely that we differ in opinions and beliefs. If a user challenges your opinion in a way that hurts you, you could politely send the user to your ignore list.

Everyone else cannot be wrong apart from you. It is important that you note that your account and your actions are already on watch by forum users. So, it will be nice that you and your friends chose to be cordial with the people of your locality.

I don't know, are you kidding me? I have stated 10 times in this thread that I have not threatened anyone with a ban or any other consequence and you still come out with the same statement. Please translate the accusation and tell me where you read the threat of a ban I have nothing more to add to my statements.

How often do I have to explain it so that the same fact isn't explained from you 10 times, I would never think of threatening someone with a ban, I don't have the right to do that and it's not my job either.  ::)

Sometimes I have the feeling that people are not reading at all and just commenting  :D

Well if you guys won't let this die down then I'll just add a few comments:

I do not appreciate it when you add my name in ratings, positive negative or neutral, and characterizing what I've said as something it's not. I have never called Unknown01 a shitposter or a spammer, I simply told him why I could not count some of his posts as they were one-liners in my eyes. I do not have a problem with one-liners, if anything I think that shows the opposite of spamming as you are just talking, normally, with people you know and don't feel like writing paragraph after paragraph when just replying.

Furthermore while on the topic of ratings, @1miau, you seem to want to talk about how the trust system should or should not be used but at the same time you seem to use Unknown01's trust page as your personal journal adding neutral after neutral tag which to me seems more odd than anything. It also looks weird when 2-3 people add the exact same neutral rating which makes it seem more coordinated (considering it's a lengthy tag and not just "avoid" "scammer" or similar).

I will make no comments about anything related to propaganda and the Ukraine/Russian war but if there's a group going around spreading propaganda - compile and translate it and I'll gladly read it and if it is as you say I'd have no issues with taking action against it as I believe, no matter what that crazy guy cryptomaxsum or whatever says, the current situation in Ukraine is atrocious and Putin/his govt. are assholes who should have to answer for the crimes they've committed and continue to commit.

But please, do not use my name for any agenda whether you think it's for a good cause or not, because if I say something I'll mean it and there won't be any fluff around it. My PM's are always open btw, if you have an issue with me. From reading some of the ratings some users claim that hiring Unknown01 in any sig campaign would encourage spam/abuse on this forum and that, if anything, is a hit at me for having him (and others from this "group) in my campaigns..

Your lies aren't getting true even after repeating them 100 times!  ::)



I'm a native german speaker and can confirm, that you, Unknown01, indeed threatened the Newbie to report him to theymos. Stop lying here! And you added some more serious insults against Kamix, it's so embarassing that you are justifying your misbehaviour here.
You are showing zero self-reflection about your insults against Kamix.

But keep going and accusing other people here, KingsDen is completely right! A friendly attitude towards Newbies is essential for the Forum but you lost your mind when Kamix criticized your Kremlin Spam posts.
Stop attacking other people here and admit your mistake. You are distrusted now anyways.  :D


Yeah, there's an account called Unknown01, he's really not reading anything, not forum rules, not how to use DT standards, nothing.
But the funny thing: now he's teaching everyone.  :D

Please do all of us and yourself a favor and stop digging your own hole!  :D
(But it's funny of course)  ;)

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@Hhampuz

Much appreciated to have your reply here.

Of course I can remove the reference link from my trust where you are mentioned. And I'm sure everyone else is also open to it, who left a neutral trust and the link was used / you are mentioned.
It's totally ok when people don't want to be part of the drama here.
I'm ready to replace the neutral trust where your reference link is used and replace it with my own post as a reference link. I think we have enough proof already.

Every feedback left by me is documenting what happened in the German section,. Now, that we have content about it also in English, it might be helpful for the English community, that the German reference link might get replace by english ones, that's a fair assumption.
But some incidents happened in German, so the German Link is better suited there.
I tried to PM Unknown01 about his misbehaviour very early, in April, but unfortunalely he thought he was not at fault at all...
Even after Nestade PMed him, too

Regarding translation of the propaganda: yes, everyone can visit the thread in the German section and read what's written there. It's disgusting where people are cheering that Ukrainians are being thrown under the bus...
It's disgusting. Just check Poly#Crypto's recent posts.

It's fair, that you don't want to be involved here.

What I can say as a member of the German community here is that there a specific political topics that tend to split the community apart. There is a small group of users that have rather extreme views that you wouldn't be able to share on other platforms so easily. Also the moderator does not have the time and will to moderate every new reply that is written (I can understand him 100%). Since the german community of active posters is not that big after all it will end up that people fight in an off topic political discussion about corona, the war in ukraine or similar and then meet again in a thread about technical bitcoin questions. Since they then remember the user from that other topic it will lead to problems in a whole different forum area. This ends to a very toxic discussion after all and to problems with alt accounts, faked ratings etc. since as I said the community is not that big and one person with a few alt accounts / friends can make a whole difference.
For me I can only hope that there is less political discussion. I have the feeling that some users want to share political statements that they would not be able to share anywhere else in germany since in the real world they couldn't easily take a whole discussion easily hostage with their propaganda.

The idea of 1miau is quite simple:

His own words in one of his post: "Vermutlich sind eure Accounts schon schön beschädigt von der Show in DT."

In english: "Probably your accounts are already nicely damaged from the show in DT."

That's it, nothing else!
1miau celebrates here a "show" to discredit @Unknown01 and other users.
These other guys are all respectable members with charisma and decency. But these people don't let 1miau dictate what they have to say or write. They are against 1miau's attempt at his dictatorship of opinion.
And that is the big problem of 1miau. He doesn't want to accept that. He can't accept that other people have a different opinion.
He thinks he is the greatest, the all-knowing, the forum god. But wrong thought!

That's why he threatens several times that he will give a "neutral trust" if people don't stop writing. He threatens members.
Also, he has threatened several times to start a campaign in the meta and ruputations thread if members disagree with him if users don't stop posting.

Sorry to say - these are Putin methods.


Two days ago, there were 3 threads closed by the moderator because the situation escalated. But the escalation always has only one name: 1miau. He sabotages the discussion by massive attacks against the discussants. He insults people again and again and again. The moderator has warned several times: discussion please be fair but without insults. But 1miau goes on and on. He produced and provoked reports, with full intention to destroy the discussion.

And now, he starts his announced show: Damaging accounts by spreading lies - nice!

That's how DT is intended to work!  :D
Misuse positive trust (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5404167.0) - get thrown out of DT
Don't admit your mistakes - get thrown out of DT even more
Spreading insults and threaten newbies (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5404157.0) - get called out and marked as "damaging for the forum"
Abuse Bitcointalk for your own agenda, for producing useless spam, shitposts and Putins propaganda - get called a spammer and troll


In general:

Doing shit will get your account damaged.

What's so difficult to understand there for you?

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I don't need to discredit anyone, the actions of the accused troll accounts are speaking for themselves.  :D

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Well, it's not difficult to write better posts than you. You have earned a total of 11 Merit...
That's a bit lousy, I would say.  ;)

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Wait, which account throw defamations and threats at Kamix when Kamix called out the pro Putin propaganda?  ::)

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Thanks again for admitting that your knowledge about DT is a shame. You know nothing, not the difference between positive, neutral and negative trust, not about DT1, DT2 (should I mention flags)?
Because you are just using (positive) trust to increase the trust scores of your shady troll friends.  ::)
Getting a neutral tag for your lies, insults, shitposts and unwillingness to improve is completely appropriate. I don't see anyone of you at least trying to understand why you are facing the backlash here that you are facing currently.
Instead, you are ignoring everything and keep pushing your lies!
Highly relevant for trades, that you are not admitting your abuses here, don't wan't to learn and you are constantly spreading your lies on the forum.

Yes - do shit, face consequences.
You crybabies are so amazing!  :D

But that's your problem! You don't want to be called out for your lies, that's why Unknown01 harassed Kamix because Kamix did a really good job, that Unknown01 is downplaying, what Russia is doing in Ukraine!
That's it why you are so butthurt!
Your pro-Putin lies got busted completely and Unknown01's head exploded!  :D

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I have PMed the abuser accounts in April, telling them that their positive counter trust to my neutral trust is inapproriate use of positive trust (because it's technically a neutral trust) and DT will act if they don't read about acceptable DT standards. You can read everything here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5404167.0
But they didn't admit their mistakes!
You are not admitting your mistake because you are also involved. You sent a fraudulent because meaningless positive trust to Unknown01, too!
Remember this!

Getting reviewed by DT is totally normal.

That's how DT is working.
- Present evidence
- DT reviews evidence
- get a result

We are having the result now since your accounts are removed entirely from DT2. While you are still crying and don't admit anything!
Never admitting mistakes, never reading the guides!
You are an ignorant abuser!
You are not DT material. That's why you are off now!

Get some help!  :D

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Again pure lies. Should I tell how it's in reality?  
Let me tell you, Kremlin Troll:

Your are spamming the forum with your (proven) lies, your propaganda, where war crimes are downplayed and Putin's war is whitewashed. Then we are presenting evidence, that you are pushing Putins agenda by undermining efforts to help Ukrainians to throw out the russian invaders. You don't like that because it's showing the truth about your disgusting propaganda!

And keep in mind: you are the ones STARTING the shitshow by placing your propaganda, so you are saying, that we are not allowed to criticize your propaganda?  :D
That's censorship, if that's what you want?!
You Putin Troll!
Of course we will call out your lies.

You don't want to be called out for your lies! Whenever we call out your disgusting propaganda lies by showing what Putin is doing in Ukraine, you are getting extremely butthurt because everyone can see how inhuman Putin's war is.
That's why Unknown01 harassed Kamix because Kamix did a really good job by exposing, that Unknown01 is downplaying what Russia is doing in Ukraine!
That's it why you are so butthurt!
Your pro-Putin lies got busted completely and your head is exploding frequently!  :D

First i want to say that i am writing this and here now on and from a neutral View what i have seen and readed the last days and weeks !
Even when it was looking like i am not that much active in the German Board as i normal doing but i always reading the most important things there.
And the off topic board honestly i dont read there much , specialy the already now closed topics there , i tried it a few times, but its a never ending vicious cycle without value.

@Kamix
As others already mentioned , you dont get banned because a User just write it as long you dont have broken any of the Forum Rules!

@Bitcoin_Arena
Thats an interesting research and find here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5404157.msg60449756#msg60449756). Special that there a few well known Users in there List that already tried to manipulate the Default Trust System in the past.
Looks like that both of them dont know how the trust system and the personal list is working or its forced that they have done it , if the last is the case its very suspicious about manipulating.

@Unknown01 and @MinoRaiola
I havnt written anything for now about you and still writing that now from a neutral View .
Its in a way disappointing to see and read how you sometimes reply to new Users or Users that not often write in the loacal board both of you havnt done that before.
About the shitposts , not all posts are shitposts of yours but a few are lately , but diffrent Viewers diffrent opinions.
The main reason i guess why we have and got this situation now is not only of your posts you have done , its because it looks like that you dont have understood about the Feedback und Trust System.
So maybe take the time and read it and if you dont know or understand it just write in the translated thread in the local board and ask .

@1miau
About the shitposts you have written , i guess you can count 25 - 40% or even more of the daily posts that where made on the Forum as Shitposts.
I also think that your main reason and thing was about the Trust system and the feedback that was done from the Users.
Also as Hhampuz have written it makes no sense to write again and again neutral feedbacks on the same Account if its for the same Reason , maybe edit that already given one.
I agree with you in a lot of things about this case but not all , but you know that already and i dont want to mix me into personal things and issues.

@mole0815
I can imagine the situation fully and that it is not easy to stay and be neutral for this case and in general when you moderate.
Try to keep the balance but i guess you know what and how i mean that .

Sorry for the long post and writting , and i guess all that are involved or has to do with this case should be not digging again and again in the same hole.
Let it be for now with the Ignore button even its maybe hard for some but i guess thats the best solution now and maybe it calms down.
We are a community about Bitcoin and Crypto related things and it makes no difference if there are Users from other countries or from a local board.
It should be a together , for sure we dont have to cuddle with each other or share the same Views , you cant make it right to everybody.  
But at least we should try it with a togehter as far as possible.

This are just my 2-3 cents !

Many thanks for your 2-3 cents (or sats), much appreciated to get your input here.  :)

I agree to what you've written here especially to your recommendation for lower ranked accounts to do sufficient research about DT before using it. Especially after it's pointed out to someone.
You are right that there are too much shitposts on the forum, so yes, but that's another issue where improvement is important.
I agree to your comment about my neutral trust given out for Unknown01 and I have reduced the entries to have one entry for each severe offense (no self-reflection after being called out for sigspam; defamations and libel against me; defamations and threats against Kamix), to be able to present all reference links. A separate entry for each offense sounds fair.
I'll keep the date for each feedback intact.


That's true, the evidence was presented and DT acted quickly.  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5404167.0)
It's essential to have a proper use of positive trust because a lenient use of positive trust will lead to more scams quickly, when scammers are taking advantage from it to abuse it our bounty spammers are starting to circle it to each other or even sending their low quality spams friends into DT to manipulate it.
Positive trust would become a meaningless metric when used inflationary.

Luckily it's solved now and unfortunately it had to be solved by DT, not by self-reflections from the accounts in question.  :-\
The positive part from it: everyone can see, that DT is working.  :)

First of all I know that you are a neutral person and therefore I do not blame you, if you take the view that I sometimes write shitposts then that is your view and that is fine too. I know your contribution to the forum and know that you are always there for everyone and support everyone who asks for it. I have read your post about Trust (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5095223.0) and you are welcome to refer me or MinoRaiola (maybe it's wrong to decide that on his behalf) to our mistake, I personally have acted to the best of my knowledge and belief and think that my feedback and my trust entries are right. I like to talk to a normal person who doesn't offend and wants positiv things, I generally tolerate criticism very well and therefore you are very welcome to publish a critical or helpful contribution to my settings in the German board (in your topic) and we can then discuss everything there (in German please, it's just more comfortable and easier). You are also welcome to point this out to me via PM if you prefer, I don't care if we talk via PM or publicly.

Regarding my behavior towards newcomers, well how would you react if someone scolded you for emigrating, kissing Putin's ass, etc.? I was completely calm about this and just pointed out that this pattern of behavior has been repeating itself in last time and that I will create a list of conspicuous users and forward it to theymos. There was no threat of a ban mentioned in any way, and no one was personally threatened on my part. Only people who actually did something wrong need to feel threatened by this statement. Compared to other users who are new to the forum and behave normally, I've never been conspicuous, why should I? The rank doesn't matter to me as long as my counterpart speaks to me respectfully and humanely.  ;)

By the way this is how you should express criticism without insulting someone right away :)


Edit: in addition: with your assumption that it just degenerated because of the lack of understanding in the DT. Please Lafu, regardless of which view you share on the Corona topic, everyone who read along knows that the problem was that 1miau cannot accept other opinions. We also had discussions with qwk, why didn't we have any problems with him?!

I have Google Translate on my phone and I have red your posts and posts from Kamix and posts from s0nix and I’m speechless!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5386945.msg60448460#msg60448460

You are somehow justifying that there are 'reasons' for Russia to invade Ukraine! Where did you got that script? Directly from Moscow?
Maybe you are also of the opinion that Ukraine is a puppet state of NATO? Are you? More scripts directly from Moscow?

That’s just the last page, I don’t want to mention the criminal comments from s0nix a few posts before.

Because your compilation of excuses for Putins war crimes goes on in your posts, where you are hating against Kamix! He’s so true! He pointed to you links to Russian war crimes! He sended you a Ponomarenko link, Ponomarenko has huge credibility! You should read his statements to see what’s going really on in Ukraine! Putin TV is no reality, do you know!
Kamix gave you recommend to visit Ukraine war places, where russian gnomes are doing murder!
He is right! Go there!

But what are you doing after Kamix post, when you are confronted with reality?
You are threatening Kamix with a ban from theymos, providing more aggressive words against Kamix.
The spechlessest part is when you call his findings lies!
It’s not lies, you are making the lies!

Please stop doing this, Putin makes applause for you! 
Can you publicly write a message where you directly say your reaction was totally wrong what you did to Kamix?
What you did was wrong and Kamix was in his post accurate on pointing out that you are indeed justifying russian war crimes by saying russia is provoked, by saying Kamix is making lies? Because any one know: nobody 'provoked Russia', links from Ponomarenko aren’t lies! Show some respect to Ponomarenko!

Russia has no 'reasons' to invade in another country!

Quit your wrong claims please and say full apologies to Kamix where you say he was right in his reply to your script from Moscow!

Slava Ukraini!

The relativization of the war in Ukraine by Unknown01 and the well-known other users is an enormous problem. Posts are made that would not be possible in the German public sphere. These posts come again and again. The German part of the forum would be a no-go area for me in public. If this will not change, I belive more and more active members will leave the forum. What remainds are Kremlin trolls and people who do not care if someone spreads Putin porpaganda.

I wanted to stay out of the drama - honestly! Since the thread has occupied me last night for several hours and I have lain awake but I must get rid of a few things. Started now at 10:35 in my time zone.
But since I was asked several times by users to take a stand (because they either do not have the opportunity to do that in English or also (sad but is so) are afraid to stand up for their opinion) I may now take over.

The things that are coming now were not said/commanded/wanted or whatever by anyone. This is my neutral view of the situation in which we find ourselves.

Is this now about Unknown01 and the accusations from the first post?

Or in general about the German subboard?
If yes then maybe we should start a new thread and not drift completely into off-topic.
But since there are already so many accusations in the room, a few words from me:

@Kamix
In my opinion the statements of Unknown01 towards you, which were mentioned here several times, did not exist in this form and 2. NeuroticFish created a short discussion about this topic in the Meta: Is one forum rule needed? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5404204.0)
Result: Even if he had said it, it would not have been a rule violation. But since it wasn't, I see even less than no problem here.
In the tone, you both were out of line. But whether a Hero to Jr. or Jr. to Hero - netiquette has not been met by either.

@all
There is no point in translating various statements, because the small details and subtleties are lost, but they are crucial.
Unknown01 has never threatened Kamix with a ban. But that's exactly what is mentioned here again and again and that's the basis for many other accusations that are in the room.

This would take away the basis of the thread but that was never the point here. On such a statement was only waited so that a campaign against a few users can be started.
You can see that here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5404167.0) and meanwhile also here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5388472.msg60450799#msg60450799).

@1miau
Is that necessary?
No one has had more double posts in recent months that had to be merged by me.
Nobody in our area has deleted texts 1:1 posted again except you.
And you even several times as for example here (https://ninjastic.space/post/60352854) + here (https://ninjastic.space/post/60361573) and in addition you tell me to continue with it until I do not also remove contribution X or Y that does not correspond to your opinion!
And in addition I had for weeks 99% (or more) of all reports from Nestade and you. Every post I've read 3 or 10 times and either deleted (or not) came back again and again until I eventually gave in or had to press a button to get it to the next moderator.

Is this behavior supposed to be okay?
Who always rides on the rules should also keep them themselves. I have never made a big barrel out of it but maybe now is the right time.

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I also see the loss of quality in the German forum but in my opinion that also has to do with the departure of e.g. asche, aundroid, bob123, tyKiwanuka to name a few.
Is it because of Corona? Maybe. Is it because of the situation in the world? Maybe. But no one has ever said to me that he leaves the forum because the other users are too bad. If it is the mood and we can only work together!

If a handful of users put the complete energy in a series of unnecessary threads that are inappropriate here in the forum anyway and I quasi 100% of my time for this. So unfortunately weekly XX hours are lost which we could use sensibly to make the forum a better place.

So not only criticize but also bring constructive solution proposals would help. And that WITHOUT insulting anyone - Lafu has shown how it works.

(Here at this point I had a few sentences and clarifications to the other users who have participated in the thread but I have rather removed again. Brings only more trouble to cause but please stay on topic and do not mix here again X things. Because if we now bring here in addition to the topic Trust the Merits in the game and you look at who/when/where for which has awarded in recent times then it shows an interesting picture of the users involved).

The Corona topic has split our forum. Other topics have followed from it and by then the fronts were already hardened.
I have tried everything that is possible for me... Examples?

On 28-02-2022, 29-03-2022, 07-06-2022 + 15-06-2022 I have asked my colleagues from the staff for help or information on how to deal with the whole issue.
Unfortunately, there is no general answer and therefore I tried to deal with the issue on my own. Probably we should have nipped all topics that do not concern the crypto environment in the bud right away.

On 30-04-2021 the question if we should ban Corona from the forum: Corona Thread schließen? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5334238.0)
On 17-05-2021 the decision to leave it open but delete everything that violates netiquette: Corona Thread - finale Abstimmung! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5338036.0)
Went briefly well but then the censorship outcry was immediately large again.
When I announced to edit only real rule violations and not to work off every report (which in my opinion is not justified) my own posts (here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5228542.msg60301249#msg60301249) and here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5228542.msg60279015#msg60279015)) were reported to me.
I am not an instrument that you can use for your own purposes! There are rules and we all have to follow them.

Any other moderator would have reacted quite differently, but you have to understand that I, as a person with incredibly good nerves, no longer have any. Since the topic as I said now even de sleep robs me must change something.

I want peace in my life and after X months of chaos and hostility I have no more patience.
It is in the meantime no more joy to visit the forum.
Neither can I care about topics that interest me nor can I enjoy it here because we only have hate and unnecessary discussions.

There is no goal and no end. You can color your accounts in some (DT) colors or whatever.
Bitcointalk stands for free speech and nothing will change - If it does then theymos, cyrus or mprep will tell me and then I will change my way of working.... as long as this does not happen and also e.g. here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5388472.0) nothing happens here in this direction I behave with the rules accordingly correctly.

But I can not understand why a few of you are constantly trying to teach other users, to insult (both sides) and to exploit board resources in order to censor them.

If the German forum is bad you can be in the English part of Bitcointalk.
If the forum in general is so bad then stop trying to change it and maybe look for an alternative.

Everything written here is not defamation, hostility or trying to make the situation worse. I just want the Bitcointalk back that I was always impressed by with full conviction. Unfortunately, it is no longer that way currently.
And no I do not trivialize war + abhor violence (I just wanted to mention specifically so that this is clear and I am not still put in the wrong corner).

I don't know if all this was a good idea?
Probably not and I think it will also be prepared about or actually against me somewhere or can be found but I have to live with it.
I have spoken here not only for me but for a few more users (which is also my task as a moderator) and hope now to have clarified a few things.
I am neither friends nor enemies with any of the users involved here. I am also not on either side. I just want to get some peace in (at least) our part of the forum and finally discuss meaningful topics again.

End at 11:48 of my time zone.
Thank you (all) for letting me (again) invest so much time (~70 minutes) in topics that are of absolutely no use to anyone.
Click on ignore, rate yourselves as you like but don't constantly make ALL users in the German area bad because 99,8% can't do anything for your differences.

In this sense - have a nice day and maybe we should all go back a few steps to look at various topics again with some distance to not get stuck for eternity.

You have chosen your side...

Unknown01 is writing about reporting me to theymos? What else would be the reason besides a ban? That I meet with theymos for coffee?

The statement is more than clear. If you claim otherwise, you do so not as a fair moderator but because you are friends with Unknown01. No wonder that he cleared all the evidence that you are in a Telegram group with him.

By the way, I have also received several messages from people who have given me encouragement but do not want to speak publicly here because they are afraid of Unknown01 and your moderation.

It was necessary to address this problem, even if you now continue to try to sweep things under the carpet, because you do not want to stand in a bad light.

This is exactly why the German board is nothing more than a pool of trolls, conspiracy theories, and hate that you couldn't express anywhere else in Germany.

Dear Kamix,

you were not very active in the forum before and you have never been in the reputations. But then you come with 2 perfectly prepared posts around the corner and now accuse me of things that do not correspond to the truth?
First in general: No one has spoken of a ban because that is also not possible under these circumstances.
And now in detail: First this post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5404157.msg60449095#msg60449095) in which you are asking unknowing what is going on here.
But only a few hours less you are completely in the game, have a perfectly prepared post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5404157.msg60450867#msg60450867) with false statements at hand and put yourself as a victim?

Again.
1) There are no sides for me and therefore I can not choose one.
2) I know Unknown01 as well (or not well) as you do.
3) As mentioned several times, there is not and never has been a Telegram group with anyone addressed here.

I hope this clarifies some things again. As long as we all stay with the truth is all good.

//edit: Well, it didn't take long with the first Trust entry. Now it's getting really ridiculous.

That's how opinion mongering works... You are joining the same propaganda that Unknown01 and your friends are showing. The user is denied legitimacy because he does not belong to the long-standing clique. Facts are denied, evidence are deleted and the user is discredited until no one believes him anymore. And you are talking about free speech?

I've been registered here since 2020 and have been reading along since then. Just because I don't post, my opinion doesn't apply? That's why I should keep my mouth shut and not speak out? Am I also not allowed to write trust entries because you don't like it?

Just because you and Unknown01 rank higher on Bitcointalk it doesn't mean the rules don't apply to everyone.

This arguments are unfortunately weak and also not the truth.
Neither do I deny you the right to express your opinion, nor do I say that Unknown01 (or whoever) should have more rights than you.
I am certainly the last to delete something (and that is exactly what I am accused of). Slowly I don't know where the problem is anymore.

I'll just make it clear:

- I don't know mole or anyone else from the forum personally
- I am not in any telegram group with mole
- I don't use Telegram at all since almost 1-2 years
- I am not in touch with anyone else from the forum outside of the forum (nowhere, on any other platform or app)
- I have no other accounts in this forum
- I didn't threaten anyone with a ban
- I've never personally threatened Kamix in general
- I didn't offend anyone
- I am against the war
- I am not Russian and I do not support the Russian war
- I have never engaged in propaganda for Russia
- I have no contact whatsoever with Russia
- I live in Europe and the last thing I want is to see a war in Europe
- I don't wish us a war in the world in general
- I did not intentionally exploit the trust system
- I don't apologize for something I didn't do
- I condemn both Russia and NATO for using us in Europe to carry out their conflict on our ground
- I also condemn the media propaganda on our side
- Of course, I also condemn the propaganda from Russian side
- I also condemn any right-wing extremist or racist
- But I also condemn every left-wing extremist
- I also condemn every American cop who murdered a black man
- But I also condemn every Russian leader who has a hand in this war
- But I also condemn every Western leader who has a hand in this war


In general, I am for peace and neutrality and I condemn all forms of violence

Do you want me to clarify something else?

I guess it's addresed from you that you say my posts is invalid?
Great, we are not allowed to make up our own opinion because you say so?

Translators have become really good, over the years!
German to English translation is no big deal for translators anymore.

Translations from very different languages (Arabic or Russian) are a different thing.
But German to English is well established.
I can translate it word for word.

My posts stands:



I see where you stand, mole0815, why are Germans always enabling Russia?
You have purchased your cheap gas for years from Russia and are just caring for your own profit!
"Never again" from 3rd Reich is pretty meaningless!


Why it's so difficult for Unknown01 to make a real apology to Kamix?
Its nuts.



That's called whataboutism!
There's only ONE COUNTRY invading another! RuZZia is invading Ukraine!
I see where you stand!

Say one thing here, do one thing in another place!

People like you are the reason why Ukraine might lose.
Stop undermining military support for Ukraine by saying Russia is 'provoked'.
Because it is not!
Putin and his circle is the problem. Nothing else!

Well then I again Hetadrop.
1) I have also never forbidden you the opinion. But it must be the truth - A ban was never the issue and even if it is brought up fifteen more times.
2) The topic here is not Russia, the war or whatever.

It is here about accusations against a few users and meanwhile also me which I cannot leave so in the room. My task is among other things also on the German speaking area in the forum to watch out.

And if absolutely everyone is allowed to say something (which is of course a good thing) then I will have this right too :)
But there is no point to discuss further. My point of view you now know and as already feared that will hit the next waves but I had to expect when I get to speak.

Just one of the reasons why other users do not.

I see!
You are not interested that Unknown01 tried to opress Kamix. What's Kamix 'crime'? Kamix pointed out, how Unknown01 enabled Putin!

Here's some 'both sides' for you:

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1541889645608402946?cxt=HHwWhIC8ldSd8uUqAAAA
https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1541911714228314114?cxt=HHwWhIC9mZyi_OUqAAAA

Bbbbbbut Russia has 'reasons'.
There are NO REASONS! 

Watch it!

I abhor this (and all other) wars.
But since you do not want to understand my texts, we should really leave the topic here. There are still a few suitable places in the forum.
Only in our German speaking not more because this topic (together with Corona) has provided us the whole problems.


It never happened that way. And both have violated netiquette (which would then be the only official offense).

Maybe he wanted to ask theymos to look for commonalities in the logs? So whether a few new users have a connection with each other or with other existing users? Possibly it would be but Unknown01 can certainly better than I say what he meant.

No idea but from a ban or report to get rid of him I can see nothing.
But that is exactly what is discussed here for pages.

In my opinion, it was waited until there is a reason to make the step towards Reputation to then address everything that has accumulated so the last few weeks. But that is of course no insinuation or official statement... only my private opinion.
I do not have to speak for others here but I will be allowed to say my thoughts and if that is used directly against me again, that also says a lot.

I've been a bystander to this whole drama on our local german board the whole time but I just feel like writing my point of view for other non german speaking individuals here to better understand the whole situation.

I've never participated in the highly controversial off topic threads. At some point people started attacking each other in the normal threads because they disagree with each other in the corona thread. That by itself was really absurd to me. Why do people have to discuss about corona on a bitcoin forum and then hate on each other in the other threads about bitcoin and the forum just because they have different political opinions.

This escalated to the point where users were being excluded from free raffles, attacked heavily for their political point of view and also their posting patterns, which pretty much affects the 'Unknown01 group' mostly while others are being blamed for destroying the harmony on the forum.

I am not taking any sides here as I don't care about your political views and don't mind anyone here on the forum.

To me as an outstander it really looks like you couldn't achieve anything by criticising each others political views so you all had to start criticising posting patterns etc.

I won't comment on the use of the trust system, posting/quoting patterns etc. either as I believe that all of this started just from different political views.
I assume so because as far as I can tell, there hasn't been such drama before the whole off-topic / corona controversials.

The situation is fucked up and I doubt that there is any way to change things to the way they were before.

Therefore I also suggest to just ignore each other. None of you are gonna get banned, nobody has to lay down their signature and the whole fighting will lead to absolutely nothing (except a few more trust entries which are completely unnecessary).

I can't even imagine the stress @mole0815 has with moderating this whole absurdity and now he's even being tagged for apparently taking sides here ?
I've seen so many posts deleted on both sides in the past few weeks and now that @mole0815 comments on here he/she immediately gets tagged simply because he/she is not sharing your opinion.

This is getting absurd and I will try to stay out of this whole discussion for now, although I guess that I will also get replies to my post.

That's right, I write a list of all suspicious accounts, you never know what will come in the future and theymos can certainly carry out a comparison using IP addresses or other data to find abnormalities, but I'm no expert and would only have tried to support with the list. However, the list does not mean that everyone on it must have done something wrong (apart from offending others which is only punished for very bad offenses).

It will probably still be allowed to write down user names, right?  ::)

And only those who actually did something wrong need to feel threatened and no one else, since Kamix claims not to have done anything wrong, he needn´t have any fears either - if that's true. The same applies to the others and they are also free to report my account to theymos and he can compare my data with pleasure.  :D  I would be honored if theymos would look at my data, nothing to worry about on my part.  :D

But of all, I wonder what a newbie is afraid of, even if I was able to ban the account, he can instantly create an account again (sure it's stupid and I would never block an account without sufficient reason anyway). Of course, the situation would be different if other accounts were linked to the account - then I would also be afraid that my worked up accounts would also be banned - but that's not the case, is it?  ;) :)

By the way, I haven't reported anything yet, what do you think I should do? I just think that theymos is busy anyway and I don't like to bother him unless I have to.

Still open questions?


edit: But you can see right away that as soon as someone has the opposite opinion, the persons are automatically attacked, such as mole now, who is even a moderator. Even if he would testifie completely against me, I would never presume to accuse him of anything, like I did with Lafu.

The funniest thing is that Nestade & 1miau kept accusing me of being to blame for everything. I definitely admit that I am partly to blame, because I could have abstained from the start and therefore would not have had any trouble, but wouldn't that be censorship? I wouldn't have dared to speak my mind because otherwise a few others could riot (which happened too) but I don't let people oppress me like the Nazis or Putin are doing. And now mole explains his point of view and blames us and them as much and now I would be very interested to know whether they can also admit the guilt or whether they will now withdraw their statements and trust entries, since it is obviously not true?

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Kamix   2022-06-29   Reference   Spreading lies about my person; threatening me with being banned from the forum

 :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

I have nothing to say, where did I threaten him again???? Am I maybe schizophrenic and don't realize that I'm threatening others? Please enlighten me or tell me  ::) ::) ::)

If I stated or implied that Unknown01 threatened Kamix in that way, I retract all of that now.  I think I was speaking in generalities and not pointing any fingers since I hadn't dug into the evidence (or apparent lack thereof).  In any case, this is a shitshow.  I stand by what I said about forum bullying, but it sure doesn't look like that was happening in this case.

I've been here since COVID-19 was first being discussed, and (at least from my perspective) none of that was as divisive as the Ukraine/Russia conflict--and understandably so.  I can see that's the case, and I'm not even part of any of the local boards.  It must be complete chaos in those dedicated to the people most closely affected by the war.  Tempers are running high and short, and I'm hoping things can eventually get back to the way they were.  My optimism on that front is tempered by my experience with this forum and its members in general, however.

I feel you, mole0815.  I made a comment recently about free speech and the trust system, giving my opinion on it as someone who's been here for years.  What happens?  I get insulted by being asked if I'm only here for a paycheck....by a well-respected member and campaign manager who's been handing out said paychecks for a long time.  See here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5388472.msg60421488#msg60421488) for details.  

I've always felt you've got to have a very thick skin to really love bitcointalk, and boy is that being tested these days.  But somehow the rules of the forum have to reign supreme over whatever is going on in the world; there can't be any sides being taken by the forum itself or pity being given to members simply because they're in a hard situation.  

Mole0815, take a break if you need to.  I'm considering that myself, at least for a short time.  When real-life shit starts flowing into an online forum and in turn only contributes to that real-life shit, that's a sign some cooling down is needed.

Are we seriously at the point where posts like this (public condemnations) have to be written?  Fuck me.

List of suspicious accounts? Are you kidding? Why is my account suspicious? Because I won't just let your disgusting statements stand? And why should my account even get banned? All I have done is speak my opinion and you threaten me and try to shut me up. You are a disgusting Putin lover who distorts facts and spreads lies. You sit in front of your computer and spread lies and try to suppress others. But you did not expect that I will resist and now you try everything to turn the situation in your favor.

To make it clear for everyone here: Unknown01 and his friends spread hate and lies, commit trust farming, and abuse the feedback system. The evidence is all here in the thread!

~Unknown01
~s0nix
~MinoRaiola
~thandie
~Poly#Crypto

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5404167.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5404157.msg60450776#msg60450776