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Since the main topic is no longer active (Unstoppable Wallet (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5275658.0),) I decided to create this topic to encourage members to download this wallet, conduct discussions about it, and then build on it. It is recommended instead of closed-source and poorly programmed wallets, which are often the first choice for everyone who wants to download a multi-crypto wallet.

Links:

• URL: https://unstoppable.money/
• Github: https://github.com/horizontalsystems
• Gitlab: https://gitlab.com/horizontal_systems/unstoppable-wallet-ios
• APP store: https://apps.apple.com/app/bank-bitcoin-wallet/id1447619907?ls=1
• Google Play: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=io.horizontalsystems.bankwallet

Features:

• Non Custodial: Have exclusive control over funds without relying on a custodian entity.
• Multi Wallet: Safely manage multiple wallets capable of storing any token in a single app.
• TOR Enabled: Keep the context of your connection private even from your internet provider.
• Genuinely Private: There are no servers keeping user accounts or any kind of identifiers.
• DeFi Enabled: Swap assets, stake assets and interact with any DeFi service via WalletConnect.
• Action Alerts: Be among the first to react to price-impacting market events. Coming soon!

YouTube Links:

• Unstoppable - Multi-Chain Wallet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Z2CzFVjksA
• Bitcoin Wallet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gT11AgG_s0
• Monitoring Wallet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ii4j-Iv7eyY

Please reply only after downloading and use that wallet.
You can email the team if there are any bugs or future recommendations.

I downloaded and installed the wallet a few months ago to see what all the fuss was about.
I remember that it gives you a choice on the length of your seed. You can use any of the standard number or words from 12 to 24. There is a button to enable and disable TOR and seeds can be extended with passphrases.

I didn't like that you can skip the seed backup step because lazy people can lose their money that way. And then they will blame Bitcoin, Unstoppable wallet, the world, and their mothers for making them the way they are. However, before you can generate a new BTC address to receive coins, the software asks you to backup your seed. I didn't check how this works exactly, but I am guessing the words will be displayed to you and you will have to prove you wrote them down by entering them back into the software.

Some other things I noticed is long sync times with the servers. I only tried it with bitcoin and it took several minutes to sync. If I was using this as a multicurrency wallet with 5 or 10 different coins, where each new coin requires 5-10 mins of syncing, it becomes a problem for people with slow internet and old phones.

The wallet doesn't support the same number of alts as closed-source clients. It can happen that the coin or token you want to use this wallet with isn't supported. The official website doesn't mention which assets are supported and it really should.

I was trying to replace my current multicoin wallet with it a while ago and kept running into issues.
1) Some issues with adding alts:
https://i.imgur.com/NjQPZgFl.png

https://i.imgur.com/rHBeXg5l.png

But it does not say what to use. Just that this one does not work.

2) If there is a way, I could not find it to have more then 1 account per coin. Might just be a Dave thing but I have BTC1 and BTC 2 and BTC 3 along with LTC 1 and LTC 2 and so on all on my phone. All small amounts since it's a hot wallet but it helps with the disaster I call accounting. (mining goes here, raffles go there, other sales go someplace else and so on)

3) As others have mentioned it can be slow.

Not a bad wallet if it works for you, but since it did not work for me I passed. But in the little time I had it that is what I noticed. I just tried again when I saw this post and the screen shots for the can't add just came from now so it's still an issue.

-Dave

Which multicoin wallet are you currently using? Just for the record.

Maybe Dogecoin isn't even supported yet.
Someone asked if DOGE was supported by Unstoppable two years ago, and according to reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/UNSTOPPABLEWallet/comments/ms9lj3/dogecoin_wallet/) it wasn't at the time. And looking at your picture, I don't see a enable/disable switch next to DOGE. The same type of switch that is visible for DOLA, DORA, and the other alts there.

I am using Coinomi [yes I know all the issues with it but at the moment even with the increase in crypto prices over the last week it has a whopping $202 in it] the time and effort and everything else to either use separate wallets for all the coins is just not worth it for the amounts involved in a hot insecure wallet. Because ANY wallet on a phone is hot and not at all secure.

As for it not being supported, if that is the case then don't display the option to add it. I can see that being an issue as people try different things to see if they can get it to work before they give up and search for help so now they have created a bunch of wallets with a bunch of seeds for no reason.

-Dave

The vulnerabilities with Coinomi only concerned the desktop version of the software. Allegedly, of course. No one can verify or check anything anyway. Assuming you mean the issue with seeds ending up on Google servers for spellchecking. 

I was just guessing that could be the reason. Since you still have it installed on your phone, can you try with Tron or USDT over Tron? I tested that a few moths ago when I downloaded the wallet, but I don't remember if there was an error message like on your end or if I just couldn't find those assets listed.

I download and used Unstoppable wallet for some time and it works fine for me.
For someone who is not using bunch of shitcoins and likes privacy this is very good option for mobile wallet, but it can be improved in many areas and they should add list of supported coins.

AtomicDEX.io might be one more alternative you can use for dogecoin, it also supports Bitcoin and other shitcoins, and you can even exchange coins if there is enough volume.
I don't like that for Bitcoin they are still using old style addresses starting with 1, and wallet is still in beta phase, but it works fine.
Probably best option for multicoin wallet is combination with some hardware wallets, but I saw other wallet called Stack also supports doge.

Other than being closed source, I don't know last time Coinomi developers updated their desktop wallet, not sure if similar situation is with their mobile app.
 

Same error as doge, can't add with 12 word wallet.


There are a couple of options for multicoin wallets, each have their own good and bad things. Although I don't like them in general, for a few dollars of coins they
work well enough. As I said, storing real amounts in a hot wallet is just asking for trouble. I tried atomicDEX.io it did work with no issues, didn't do something I needed, don't remember what. But no problems with it not working.



March of 2022.

-Dave

Meh, I dislike it, been waiting 10 mins just for it to finish initial sync, why this wait when other wallets show the amounts almost instaneously?

I don't doubt that it's secure than closed-source wallets but you could learn few things from them. Look at this data usage, it's just Bitcoin and ethereum, from play store review I gather zcash sync takes 3 gb.

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/14/blobaf23782819ad2983.jpeg

The size of the apk file is about 70 MB. So if you use this wallet for a bunch of altcoins, you might soon run out of internal storage on your phone. Having to download 3 GB on my phone to work with just one asset is far from optimal. Especially if we consider how many regions still don't have quality and affordable mobile data tech. Zcash has a relatively big block size plus a block time of just over 1 minute. That could be the reason for the storage requirements. Still, Unstoppable Wallet isn't exactly a light client. 

I check the data usage and for me I don't like it to use this app wallet. Because I also tried to downloaded it at my moblie device,
And when I checked the apps, the design and interface of the platform was definitely nice and cool. But the only thing problems
in which I don't like for this apps is that it consume a lot space of my phone device which can cause to make slow of phone system,

I don't know to others here who tried if they also notice what I had noticed.

It's supported on coinomi too, you can check the usage in above screenshot.

Thank you, I just learned what SPV means.

On the flip side you can easily, for BTC, have Coinomi use your own electrumx server instead of theirs.
Everything is a bit of give and take.

I will still, keep saying this although others might disagree. ANY wallet on your phone is neither secure or private. Unless you are using a custom Android build that shuts down all the phone home stuff.
Since you can't do that at all with an iPhone, it's pointless to even think that anything you do on one cannot be monitored.

-Dave

That's true. I didn't mention it since people who bother setup their own ElectrumX is less likely to use closed source wallet.


True, although it comes down to how much privacy/security people want. I expect some people would be fine with VPN and SPV wallet.

I probably have a not so relatable experience with you guys.  Because many of you have a normal phone with default apps and download stuff through the default Google or Apple app store.  But I will share my experience anyway

You can not imagine how thankful I am for Unstoppable Wallet developers doing their job.  I can not be thankful enough for the existence of this application.

I own a de Googled Android phone.  My only app store is F-Droid, which only publishes fully Open Source applications.  Yes.  This means a LOT of the widely used applications can not be downloaded at all.  Some applications replacing original apps for widely known services are very badly made.  Twitter clients replacing the original app for example.  Reddit clients too.  But I already got used to it.  Only few people care about Open Source stuff.  So, most of it is Closed Source.  So, this means you get shitty apps because nobody really develops them so it would overload the developers if they wanted to make everything neatly working with few to no bugs and glitches.

You can imagine F Droid excludes over 99 percent of the Cryptocurrency Wallets for Android.  Up until Unstoppable came to existence, this meant I could not use pretty much any Cryptocurrency besides Bitcoin (and even for Bitcoin, the available options were very lacking) from my phone.  Then the Wallets available for Bitcoin were very lacking too.  Annoying as fuck.

Then Unstoppable Wallet came to existence.  I used to reload the F-Droid repo every week and look for a new Wallet but never expected this coming.  Unstoppable Wallet is like the Wallet I would have made if I were a Wallet developer.  You get Open Source.  You get Tor.  You get multiple Cryptocurrencies.  Sweet User Interface.  Non Custodial.  Even price tickers.  TimeLock.  Themes.  Multiple base currencies.  SWAPS!  OH MY GOD!  You can not comprehend how happy I am with it.

I wish it just showed more TX information.  Fee and Satoshi per vByte, number of Confirmations with a check mark instead of just a Confirmed / Unconfirmed status with no counting of Confirmations.  Inputs, Outputs and maybe other stuff.  Currently, the only way you can see more information is by going to a Block Explorer yourself which to me makes no sense if you are running Unstoppable through Tor and want Privacy.

I do not know yet how the Tor works on it but if it does not change identity by default for every account and transaction checked, which I imagine is not how Tor works right now on the Wallet, then I wish they added this option.  If the same identity is used for all accounts, it means all information can be connected to one identity.

My experience with Unstoppable Wallet is mostly extremely positive.  It lacks a few things here and there.  But I see improvements every update.  All the issues I had with it were solved within one to three updates.

I agree.  I am typically not THAT lazy to not care about backing up my Seed Phrase but now that you mentioned it, it is definitely an issue.  I still do not have my Seed Phrase backed up because I forget about it every time.  I believe all Wallets should have mandatory Seed Backup before you get to use it.  This is not only a preventive measure but also imposes a good education.  When the user downloads a Wallet the second time, they should already know they need a piece of clear paper and a pen.

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Regards,
PrivacyG

You can also download the APK file of Unstoppable Wallet from GitHub (https://github.com/horizontalsystems/unstoppable-wallet-android/releases). I assume that would work even on your deGoogled phone. Or you can get it using a desktop machine and transfer it to your phone through cable, Bluetooth, or whatever.    

Firefox is open-source. You could access your Twitter and Reddit accounts using Firefox without any app by just using the browser. But I am guessing your problem is with these platforms and not in the way you access them.

Does the status of the transaction change to confirmed after the 1st block confirmation your transaction gets or does the app wait for 2, 3, or maybe more? Would be great if the numbers could be adjusted through the settings. At least then you would know the minimum number of confirmations the transaction has.

Use a blockchain explorer that works through TOR. I think blockchair does, but I am not sure.

That means you can even skip and ignore the warnings when you try to generate a new BTC address. I remember they ask you to make a backup first, but since you have avoided it and still used your wallet for transactions, they obviously don't ask you to reenter the words as proof they are backed up.

You can also use open source AuroraStore if you want to use some apps that are not open source, and there are good alternatives for F-Droid as well, like IzzyOnDroid and Droid-ify that have more apps.
Good option is to install apps directly from github source, it can be set up to auto-update as well with some workarounds, and that way you can install most Bitcoin wallets.

I don't know what degoogled phone you own, but Pixels with GrapheneOS work almost with everything, they even have imitation of all google services.

It's important to mention that Unstoppable wallet is audited several times, and WalletScrutiny verified it can be reproduced from open source code.
Good thing is that I see new wallets are coming out that following similar path, and competition is always good to have.

Guess I did not explain properly.  I meant that F-Droid only has a few Wallets for Cryptocurrencies so there are not many options you get.  But Unstoppable Wallet is on there and that is amazing!  For example.  I just opened up F-Droid and searched for Cryptocurrency Wallets.  The results are as following,

Unstoppable Wallet (updated within last month) (supports multiple Cryptocurrencies)
Bitcoin Wallet (updated a month ago) (only for Bitcoin)
Green Blockstream Wallet (updated almost 6 months ago) (multiple Cryptocurrencies)

These are all the options I have.  There are a few more but I would not touch a Wallet that has last been updated more than half an year ago.

I believe the confirmation status changes to Confirmed after the third block confirmation.  Your suggestion would be great indeed.

You know what!  I created a new account to test this out and you are right!  I can not even get a Receiving Address unless I back up my Seed Phrase.  Yet, I can use another Wallet I already have.  Does this mean I have already done the Backup someday?  Now I am so confused!

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I chose not to install Closed Source applications on my phone.  I did test Aurora Store before and it works just perfect for some body who wants just to move away from Google.  IzzyOnDroid and Droid-ify, I have no idea about.  Will have to check them out.

The issue is not about having or not having GS or replacements for the Services installed.  It is that Open Source is not a very demanded type of software today.  So if I want an actually good Wallet, I have little options.  How many actually useful and good Open Source Bitcoin Wallets are there?  Count Mycelium and Unstoppable and you got to about half of the truly decent ones already.

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Regards,
PrivacyG

Since you have serious privacy concern, i'd like to mention it Unstoppable wallet currently use BIP37 to obtain data from full node which is vulnerable to deanonymization[1].


IMO Samourai[2] is also decent option, although in past it has some controversy. Electrum is good option if you don't care about it's dated UI.

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[1] https://github.com/horizontalsystems/unstoppable-wallet-ios/issues/3984 (https://github.com/horizontalsystems/unstoppable-wallet-ios/issues/3984)
[2] https://samouraiwallet.com/download/fdroid (https://samouraiwallet.com/download/fdroid)

Why? If there are no issues or bugs there is no reason for them to push a new build.

Outside of that if you are really concerned about privacy and security you are probably better pulling the APK from developers site, checksuming it and verifying the signatures and installing it, or going one step past there compiling it yourself.

And, obviously as others have said they are missing a lot of wallets that are open source (electrum)

Until they get some of the more popular alts added, and make some other changes, I don't think they are going to gain much traction.

-Dave

Have you tried Harpy (https://github.com/robertodoering/harpy) for Twitter? (however, it may come an end due to this (https://github.com/robertodoering/harpy/discussions/884)) and Infinity (https://github.com/Docile-Alligator/Infinity-For-Reddit) for Reddit?

There are more alternatives to these two and to almost all popular services.

1) https://github.com/pluja/awesome-privacy#reddit

2) https://github.com/Lissy93/awesome-privacy

3) https://github.com/digitalblossom/alternative-frontends

4) https://github.com/mendel5/alternative-front-ends

Links to all these github pages cause each includes something that is excluded in other.

Thank you for bringing this up, I hadn't heard of this wallet before.  After doing a bit of reading I came up with a few questions, but the most critical pertains to this claim:


The claim makes it sound like you don't need to connect to a server, but how could that be possible?  How do you transact with a blockchain without connecting to a server or a full node?  My admittedly limited knowledge gives me the impression that, technically speaking that is not possible.  Certainly no one is running full nodes for each coin on their mobile device.  That would be impractical.

Then I got to thinking about the semantics of the claim, and that made me a bit suspicious: "There are no servers keeping user accounts or any kind of identifiers."  So a server does exist, but it doesn't log sensitive information?  If so, who's running the server, Horizontal Systems?  Doesn't that make it centralized?

If Horizontal Systems is running the server software, is it available for peer review?  Can I run a server myself?  I don't see a server package listed in Horizontal Systems' GitHub, maybe I just didn't look hard enough.

That's good enough. 3 blocks deep is already safe enough in my opinion. I wouldn't worry about it.

When did you first install and create your wallet? I played around with Unstoppable back in November/December. Seed backup was needed back then. Maybe you worked with an older version where they didn't have that requirement yet.

The most important word here is keeping. Servers exist and you interact with them, but the developers are saying your information doesn't get logged and stored. Despite the wallet's open-source nature, this is not something you can check. I don't think you can. Their servers may or may not be logging everything you do. I wonder how they could prove that isn't the case ???

I see that the wallet is open source, but why isn't the server software available for review, regardless of it's licensing?  Again, I may have missed it while I perusing their GitHub, but I dug fairly deep and didn't see anything relating the SPV server they use to connect wallets to nodes.  Claims of "genuine privacy" and "decentralized" that are not only unsubstantiated, but also used in ways that come off as deceptive makes me nervous.  This is the kind of stuff that breeds distrust in the cryptosphere.

I want to apologies to Husires for not following his local rule; i.e. I did not download, install, or use the wallet app, and I will not until my concerns about these claims are addressed.  Honestly, I'm growing more suspicious of this service, and the pretty website and polished-looking app isn't helping.

You are asking valid questions, but maybe it would be best to direct those questions to the developers and the people who created the wallet. GitHub is one point of reference, or you could email the team of Horizontal Systems through https://horizontalsystems.io/. If transparency and fairness is important to them, I don't see why they would ignore you and not provide the information you are looking for.

As i mentioned earlier, Unstoppable wallet is SPV wallet using BIP 37[1]. It means this wallet connect to random node to obtain necessary data[2-3]. But BIP 37 is outdated and has privacy flaws[4].

[1] https://github.com/horizontalsystems/unstoppable-wallet-ios/issues/3984 (https://github.com/horizontalsystems/unstoppable-wallet-ios/issues/3984)
[2] https://github.com/horizontalsystems/unstoppable-wallet-android/blob/6684a2d7882b30da5ea530fbd9a0567e8f41f161/fastlane/metadata/android/en-US/full_description.txt#L25 (https://github.com/horizontalsystems/unstoppable-wallet-android/blob/6684a2d7882b30da5ea530fbd9a0567e8f41f161/fastlane/metadata/android/en-US/full_description.txt#L25)
[3] https://github.com/horizontalsystems/unstoppable-wallet-android/blob/6684a2d7882b30da5ea530fbd9a0567e8f41f161/app/src/main/res/values/strings.xml#L788-L801 (https://github.com/horizontalsystems/unstoppable-wallet-android/blob/6684a2d7882b30da5ea530fbd9a0567e8f41f161/app/src/main/res/values/strings.xml#L788-L801)
[4] https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/BIP37_privacy_problems (https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/BIP37_privacy_problems)

Isn't that just the price you pay for privacy? I once checked a years-old backup of Bitcoin Wallet (on my old phone), and it took days to sync. I'm not sure how it works, but if this means they wallet's server doesn't know my addresses, it's worth the wait.

This sounds intriguing - will check it out.

Any more user experience reports since last post from January?

I tried to find a list of supported shit-coins and tokens, but their website doesn't seem to give away much.
Their FAQ seems to only talk about Bitcoin, Ethereum and Binance-Chain. In the video I also see Solana, Polygon Dash and a few more, though.

Not that I can find. It's still displaying a bunch of coins that you cannot add and everything else is just scroll though the list.
I really don't understand their logic unless there was a lot more planned to happen faster and then it just didn't happen.

But a definitive list, or at least a list with a date of making the list and supported coins at that time would be nice.

I tried it a while ago, and it didn't work for me, tried back in January when I posted and again did not have support for some crap coins I use and I just took a look now and still does not support some basic ones. May check back sooner or later, but if they don't want to bother supporting some popular alts, as I said above it's going to really slow down the adoption of their app as people look for something that does.

-Dave

Yeah, the website is quite useless for that purpose. I see that they added a timeline on the top. Maybe you can follow it into the past to check the release notes to see if they mention which alts they included. They don't have a contact form, live chat or a support ticket. You might find more info on their Discord  (https://discord.gg/3uECHQ3cEk)or reddit  (https://www.reddit.com/r/UNSTOPPABLEWallet/)channels.

I was interested in trying the wallet due to some USDT I have on Tron, but they don't support that network at all. The only way to know for sure is to install the client and try to find and enable the assets from the list. If it doesn't work, they don't support it.

Yeah, sad story. Great initial attempt but no follow-through.
I did a little more research (without joining another discord) but this thing seems to be only semi-active and the lack of clear documentation is slightly discouraging at the moment.
Are there any multi-coin open source wallets that are actually running stable with a big support for many coins?

A nice desktop solution would also be interesting.

This is one of the recommended wallets that is good to use because so far I have not had any problems with it. It provides good things when it comes to users who also use it.

        As in affordability, security, censorship resistance and privacy too. So this unstoppable wallet is okay with me
and one of the great options as well.

For users who are using a Trust Wallet, I would recommend switching to the unstoppable wallet. I am not saying tha there is any issue with trust wallet but it's hard to trust 100% on trust wallet 1) because it is closed source and 2) It is owned by Binance and i don't feel comfortable with it.

Previously I was using Trust Wallet for altcoins storage but now i have migrated the majority of my coins from trust wallet to unstoppable wallet. In case, you can afford a hardware wallet, that's best but until you do not have hardware wallet, keep Unstoppable Wallet as your daily driver.

Did anyone try the timelock of this wallet? The lock can be cancelled or not?

I never tried timelock feature on Unstoppable wallet, and I couldn't find more information anywhere on their website.
My suggestion is to contact their support team, unless you are willing to experiment yourself with real coins.
Note that TimeLock in Unstoppable is Experimental feature and maximum amount is limited to 0.5 BTC.

Now for the latest update, you can use the Tron Network in Unstoppable Wallet.
It is already fully Integrated

Source: https://github.com/horizontalsystems/unstoppable-wallet-android/releases/tag/0.33.0

This is indeed an experimental feature in Unstoppable Wallet.
and this Time Lock feature is also part of horizontalsystems Project for Bitcoin Kit.


How it works

Source: https://github.com/horizontalsystems/bitcoin-kit-android/tree/master#hodler

Are they offering active support somewhere? They have different social media channels like reddit, Discord, and GitHub. That's probably the best way. Their Telegram channel is only for announcements - no support there. I don't remember if there was a live chat option back when I tested the wallet briefly. Another option is to get in touch with the Horizontal Systems team.

Too bad that they forgot the most important part - swaps between Tron and Tron-based tokens and other cryptocurrencies. It's questionable whether or not it will be added in the future.

I don't know which support is the most active, but the option to contact via twitter DM, or on Discord so far is usually always active.
Or send some questions or complaints via email.

For Tron exchange support is not yet integrated, but exchanges for other tokens on several networks such as ERC20, BEP20, POLYGON, ARBITRUM, OPTIMISM etc.
are already available integrations with DEX 1Inch, Uniswap, Pancakeswap etc.
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/07/23/nPjff.jpeg

and in the future, Unstoppable Swallow will also complete integration with DEX Thorchain which allows for decentralized exchange between asset types such as BTC, ETH, LTC, ZEC, BCH, BNB, ERC20, and BEP20.

It seems that there will be many updates in the future, perhaps the addition of BRIDGE will be needed as well.

Send your request to the developers to integrate the DEX Exchange for Tron assets, the more requests, the faster it will be integrated.
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/07/23/nPVQD.png

Source: https://unstoppable.money/faq

Finally I chose this wallet that I will use on my smartphone after reading many suggestions.
I have installed the wallet, I have backed up the required 12 words with passphrase.
I still haven't mastered the total knowledge of wallets. So, if later there are problems in use, I will definitely get a solution easily, considering that many people who recommend this wallet have every question about mobile wallets.

Open source, Non-custodial, Private, and support for many coins are the reasons I chose this wallet including available charts to analyze the market.

It is a good altcoins wallet. For Bitcoin, it supoort native segwit and pay-to-taproot addresses, but it is not supporting many other features. The one I most consider is to support replace-by-fee, but not supporting it.

If you need better bitcoin wallet, use Electrum, Sparrow or Bluewallet. Others are Blockstream Green, Samourai and Specter.

For Bitcoin there are four types of addresses that I see in this wallet: Legacy, SegWit, Native SegWit and Taproot.

Wallet unstoppable supports fee rate settings when I try to press the send button and set it in the settings icon in the upper right corner.
Before I entered the fee rate setting, when I pressed the fee button this message appeared:
What I said is correct?

I have used Electrum on my computer. Bluewallet is nowhere for me to install because no MacBook. For Android, I use an unstoppable wallet.

BIP49 is nested segwit, it is not called segwit. It is even not segwit. It is called nested segwit. The segwit are the BIP84 and BIP86 which are called native segwit and pay-to-taproot.

Unstoppable wallets supports all the four addresses, but native segwit and pay-to-taproot are the ones recommended, to save fee. I can only refer to legacy and nested segwit addresses if someone asked about it.

Customizing the fee is not the same as replace-by-fee. Unstoppable wallet does not support replace-by-fee and coin control.

Bluewallet has Android version as well. It has iOS and MacOS versions also.

The first factor that made me choose to use an unstoppable wallet on mobile is because it is open source, non-custodial and private apart from having several types of addresses.
When you have explained to me where the difference between BIP84 and BIP49 is, now I know and I still haven't added it to my wallet.

I've heard about the bluewallet wallet, maybe I'll try using it when I'm ready to make a transaction.
In bluewallet is it available to do bitcoin testnet (sending and receiving)?

It is only supporting mainnet.

Usually when we talk about using the Unstoppable wallet, the main purpose is to store our altcoins in that wallet. For Bitcoin storage, Electrum is recommended.

By the way, currently i know that Trust Wallet is most widely used to store the altcoins but as it is closed source, i prefer unstoppable wallet.
Do we have any other wallet (apart from hardware wallets) that is better than the Unstoppable wallet for the altcoins ?

No that I know, except maybe Komodo Wallet (ex AtomicDEX) that can be used both as wallet and decentralized exchange.
But let's stay on topic Unstoppable wallet, no need to talk about other wallets here or to experiment with bunch of shitcoins.

I do not know much about altcoins.

What I noticed about Unstoppable wallet is that it has tokens (coin existing on another coin blockchain) or those coins that are pegged. The doge it has is on BSC, not on doge blockchain. Some altcoins that are on the wallet are shitcoins. Not supporting Algorand, Quantum and many other coins and it is supporting just the peg of some coins, or supporting tokens. The only reason I prefer the wallet is that it is open source and support passphrase, but there are some shit tokens on the wallet.

I don't know what you wanted to say really...
All coins except Bitcoin are shitcoins, especially that examples you mentioned, they are one of the worst shitcoins and it does not matter to me on what blockchain they are on.
Only usable altcoin that is missing is maybe monero for it's privacy, but all coins are disabled by default so you don't even see them if you don't use them.

You certainly know more than me...I never even heard about Quantum  :D

So the 0.34.0 is now out. I was expecting more than this, but still, good features to have (the ones ones)[1]:

- You can now get support using Telegram.
- You can link your Binance account (read-only mode) to keep track of your balances (basically something like CoinStat, Delta, etc.). I'm hoping to see this added to other exchanges.
- And they also changed the way they estimate the fees.

And you can also now donate to the developers through the app settings.

@dkbit98 @Charles-Tim both Monero and Algorand are the roadmap[2][3].

[1] https://github.com/horizontalsystems/unstoppable-wallet-android/releases
[2] https://github.com/horizontalsystems/unstoppable-wallet-android/issues/6064
[3] https://github.com/horizontalsystems/unstoppable-wallet-android/issues/5743

I currently have 0.33.3 version and the only issue which i face is the syncing of the wallet. It takes a lot of time in synchronization. If you do not open wallet daily and open after a few days/weeks it takes considerable time. Specially the ZEC blockchain on my phone is still downloading the blocks on this wallet  :(

Has this sync issue been addressed in this release, and should i update my wallet?

Not sure if things have changed since 0.33.3, but I don't believe so since there's nothing on the released page and this is the latest post I found from the team regarding this issue[1]. Apparently, there's nothing much they can do about it.

Do you know any other wallets that are faster? if so, maybe you should send them its name as they asked, that might help them.

[1] https://github.com/horizontalsystems/unstoppable-wallet-android/issues/6057#issuecomment-1529504444

I am using version 0.34.0 which is the latest version. I still notice the synching issue. Not often, but if I do not open the wallet for sometimes or a long time.

I was using trust wallet before and there were no sync issues there for most of the coins which i had there in that wallet. It was after that FTX hack and this theymos post Reminder: do not keep your money in online accounts (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5421039.msg61293646#msg61293646), i stopped believing the exchanges and moved my funds to the Electrum and Unstoppable wallet.

That post is specifically asking for the ZEC wallet which sync real time and i had no idea of it because before that all my ZEC were on the binance exchange.



Well, this sync probelm is not a big deal, the real problem comes if you have multiple wallets on Unstoppable wallet and you have to open each wallet to get it sync. Would it be better if the unstoppable wallet could sync all the wallets at same time.

I noticed it as well. But I also noticed that if the synching is taking long, you can be doing other things on your device, like open another app and the synching will still continue and be completed.

If you are using Binance on a smartphone, I am assuming you work with either Binance's iOS or Android app. A portfolio and wallet overview is available there. Unstoppable Wallet is a mobile wallet only. It doesn't have a desktop version. I don't see the point of looking at your Binance portfolio through a second app, like the Unstoppable Wallet if you can and already use the exchange's dedicated app. But that's for each individual to decide.

I agree. Maybe it's not useful on its own right now but as they integrate more exchanges to the app, it would definitely be worth it. I don't see why would someone check each exchange app he has individually when he can do it in one app.


Isn't this how all the wallets out there work? Trustwallet, Electrum, etc. you have to load each wallet individually. I don't think it makes a lot of sense from a user experience perspective to sync all the wallets (which is a time-consuming process) when you're not really sure if the user is going to open them later or not.

You are right. If they have plans to integrate at least 5-10 of the most-used exchanges, then Unstoppable Wallet becomes useful for its portfolio overview as well.

virasog was probably talking about individual crypto assets and not separate wallets. If you have one wallet on Unstoppable Wallet with a few coins in it, you are going to have to sync each of the blockchains and download data to your phone. It takes time.

I now have 4 coins in Unstoppable Wallet, and discovered the Analytics tab. All 4 coins show exactly the same:
I've never seen a crypto wallet that basically tells me to give up on crypto :D

The Wallet is separate from the Transactions. I'd expect to see all Transactions "under" each coin, instead of on a separate tab where I either see all coins, or have to select one again.
All in all there are some design choices in Unstoppable Wallet that I would not have made myself.

It is not suggesting you to give up your coins, they are technical indicators.

By default, the timeframe is 1 day. That means it is giving the information based on one day analyses which can only be useful for day traders. It has 1 hours, 4 hours, 1 day and a week indicator. 1, 4 hours and 1 day are useful for days traders while 1 week is useful for swing traders. Indicators may also not be accurate and that makes trading to be dangerous. As a holder, you will not bother to check something like that.

But you are right, wallets should not be for trading. Although, those are not the real indicators, it is only suggesting buy or sell but not indicating it in candle sticks that will tell the information in charts instead of suggesting it. In my opinion, I do not see it useful and candle sticks indicators would be better and not misleading.

I know what it says, my point is it's a weird thing to see when I was hoping to see my transaction history.

What if you're a Newbie, got this wallet recommended, bought your first Bitcoin, and then the wallet tells you "sell"! I'm not sure yet if I'll be recommending this wallet.

I wonder where they are getting this data from ?

My guess is that they get this data from the trading view which also shows similar type of technicals.

https://i.ibb.co/n8dbWSx/trading-view.png



A Newbie will not buy and sell based on this indication because he wouldn't know how to use the swap option in the unstoppable wallet. By the time he learns the swapping coins, he should be familiar with basic trading and know what he is doing (when to buy/sell). If he just experiments with different options in the wallet without learning, then it is only his mistake.
Don't know why people won't drive a car on the highway until they have sufficient experience, but they will experiment with their crypto with incomplete knowledge. :(

As a new user of the unstoppable wallet, I agree that the technical indicators contained in the unstoppable wallet will not be the user's focus because trading users have their own strategies in determining when to buy and sell.
At least with the availability of hang technical indicators containing periods of 1 hour, 4 hours, 1 day and 1 week, unstoppable wallet users who often carry out routine transactions get an idea that can strengthen their plans for that time when trading on other exchanges.

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/09/14/6mq6J.jpeg

I have this option disabled because I don't care about current fiat values and analytics so much, and it is just a distraction for me.
And why would you even care about default settings for anything you use?
Do you buy smartphone, car, tv and other crap and just use default settings or you set it up like it fits you.
This is basically just like buying a new car but not changing seat position to fit your height, or turning on air conditioning to hot during summertime...  :P

Easy ''fix'':
Appearance - Tab Settings - Markets Tab - Switch Off.
 

How? I can just not click the "bar graph icon", but I haven't found where to remove it.

Good point. I guess I had higher expectations after the many good things I've read about Unstoppable Wallet.

I did, that removes the tab on the bottom of the wallet. But the "bar graph icon" is still there. If I click it, I can Hide Indicators, but that doesn't seem to change anything.

Unstoppable wallet version 0.35 released: https://github.com/horizontalsystems/unstoppable-wallet-android/releases

This feature is on the new version. Click on the coin and you will see the transaction history.

Edit:
I am unable to see the technical indicator again, but also on the older version. Am I correct? I think the analytic tab is replaced by 'overview'. I am not that using Unstoppable wallet until now, the reason I forgot about this easily.

Version 0.35 shows "Failed to Connect Tor".

Just updated my Unstoppable Wallet to the latest version. Below is the key highlights shown of this update when I was downloading it.


https://i.ibb.co/m85qmZc/Unstoppable.jpg

In the markets tab, i see only Overview, News and Watchlist. The transaction tab will show all the transactions. Don't remember how it was before the upgrade as i don't actively use the wallet. Only using it mainly for storing the altcoins for the mid to long term.  Anyway i like the new interface.

I have not used it with Tor (Orbot to be specific) before, but it failed when I tested it. I am surprised that the last update before version 0.35 also failed when I tested it just right now

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/09/19/6r1io.jpeg   https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/09/19/6rcwT.jpeg

I used Tor with Electrum wallet and it showed the blue ball at the upper right corner. I hope Unstoppable wallet developers will look into this.

I almost missed the update info to version 0.35 and the application I'm using is still at version 0.34.1. I will update soon after this.
https://talkimg.com/images/2023/09/19/6rO5d.jpeg

Of the three new updates to the unstoppable wallet version via github.com/horizontalsystems, there is a good sentence in the BUG FIXES section, There will be other updates that will be carried out by Unstoppable.

In the SEAMLESS DONATIONS section of the version 0.35 update highlights, what does this mean?

On version 0.34.1. If you click on donate, you will see three addresses (bitcoin, ethereum and binance smart chain address) that you can copy and use for donation.

On version 0.35. If you click on donate, you will see the lists of coins that you enabled and the amount each has and you can click on any coin and proceed to donate directly.

I just clicked hexagonal settings icon, than in Appearance I disabled Market Tab.
After that I only have three icons on the bottom, first for coin balance, second for transactions, and third one for settings.
I was using wallet version 0.34.1 and no issues for me so far.

I never had issue with Tor on older versions, and I always keep it turned ON in settings.
I will wait a bit before updating to latest version 0.35, current one works just fine for me.

I have this weird issue where sometimes Unstoppable Wallet is very slow on syncing or even fails when there is no change with my internet connection. I also failed to connect to Tor. One solution is to restart the app but sometimes it does not work. Not sure what exactly is the issue here. Is there any way to see the logs to figure out what is wrong with the app?

I have tried to download the wallet today, I like the features in the market where if you want to know which coins are up and which coins are down like gainers and losers in coinmarketcap, the seed phrase where you can choose how many words, 15, 18, 21, and 24, have anyone tried the timelock, it says experimental at the moment, it also has news which, I think also helps when you want to see which coins will have an uptrend because of news good features, ill try later to transfer funds.

I have seen the donation display in the version 0.35 update after I updated the application. It turns out that the coins I activated actually appeared in the donation section, because for bitcoin I only activated two BIP84 and BIP44.

When I was on version 0.34.1, before version 0.35, I didn't pay attention to the types of coins available in the donation section.
Thanks for you.

Are you familiar with timelock transactions or not? Maybe you should read some threads related to it before you try it. I don't see the point of making an experiment with it unless you have some need to make timelock-related transactions, especially if you're not that familiar with how it works. Not to mention they labeled it as an experimental feature. I'd rather wait and see until it becomes stable.

It seems that it is not recommended by them to use features such as market indicators in the unstoppable wallet in trading. It is impossible for us to buy coins when the display there says buy while the personal decision to buy cannot be made at that time.


I don't know how it works and my knowledge of timelocks is non-existent. I won't use things that I don't know that could pose a risk of loss. Maybe I need to learn about timelocks before trying this.
This cannot be separated from what Joniboini said, that I am not familiar with timelocks.

There is nothing hard about lock time. But I see it better on wallets like Electrum or using Coinb.in for it. On the wallet I just mentioned, you can decide to also use a specific date and time, or you can use blockheight instead. On Electrum, you can even use unix time if you want.

On Unstoppable wallet, once you have enabled timelock under settings, and you want to make bitcoin transaction, you can set the time you want the bitcoin transaction to be broadcasted.

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/09/21/6pNqb.jpeg   https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/09/21/6pR9m.jpeg   https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/09/21/6pPs1.jpeg

I do not like how the time lock is on Unstoppable for now, but some people may like as is it.

I do not see how it can lead to loss of coins, it can not. But it is possible that the time lock may not work as expected which might be the experimental Unstoppable wallet developers are referring to.

I will prefer to know the version they introduced timelock.

Version 0.35.1 released, to resolve Tor issue: https://github.com/horizontalsystems/unstoppable-wallet-android/releases

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/09/27/P65XD.jpeg


Anytime I connect Orbot, it always still fail Tor, but if I did not connect Orbot, it did not fail again as it was in version 0.35.0. Is Unstoppable having inbuilt Tor?

Good news, I can sync again :D

It must have it, I don't use Orbot.

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My initial estimate of long-term bandwidth consumption was way off. It's "only" 1.4 GB in a few weeks now. Not great, not terrible.

Yes it does but you have to enable it in settings because it's not enabled by default.
I can confirm that previous version 0.35 really had a problem with Tor connection, so I had to get back using previous version, now I can switch to 0.35.1
I hope they didn't break something again  :P

I found a difference in synchronization when opening the unstoppable wallet app after updating. In version 0.35.1, synchronization is quite fast compared to previous versions.



Tor on the wallet application must be activated when we want it to work on an unstoppable wallet in the security section.
In this screenshot, I didn't activate it.

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/09/30/PYPeq.jpeg

Maybe. But I did not notice any difference. I finally concluded that I did not noticed any difference when I opened the second wallet that I left unopened for a long time, bitcoin was very slow to finally synchronized as usual which we have talked about on one or two of our previous posts. The same for litecoin.

You are correct, but this is not my question. I was asking if I also need to enable Orbot or not. LoyceV and dkbit98 answered it.

I've noticed it before but never really paid attention until now: I sent a small LTC transaction to my own Unstoppable Wallet, and it didn't show up. Most wallets would show an unconfirmed transaction within seconds. By now, it has 2 confirmations, and it's still not visible. That's not good.

Update: At 27 confirmations, the transaction was still missing. I switched from "From Blockchain" to "API" and it showed up. Something isn't working correctly.

I have been using Unstoppable Wallet for a while now and have had a very good experience. However, i have one query and that is how can we check through the blockchain (web) that our wallet contains which tokens and their quantity?

A bit of explanation is here. We need to first add the crypto to our wallet and then get its deposit address and then we can deposit that crypto to our unstoppable wallet. Now we can even remove the crypto from the interface but the amount of coins still remains in our wallet (in blockchain).
Let's suppose, i have many different altcoins stored in the Unstoppable wallet and I accidentally removed some of the wallets from the main screen. Now how can I check through Blockchain (web), that my wallet contains which altcoins that have a balance?

Just like how you go through bitcoin blockchain explorer to track your transaction through txid. If you want to know the blockchain explorer that you can use for the altcoins, click on the coin on Unstoppable wallet, click on the coin that you received, you will see the txid and the block explorer that you can use to track it on a browser. Those explorers are what you can know offhand.

Yes, i know that part, my question is that if i have a lot of altcoins on my wallet, how can i know which altcoins i have ?

Example, in the metamask extension, we can have a lot of Eth based tokens and sometimes we do not add that particular token in the wallet but it do exist. So now i have many tokens, i don't remember which one i have so i go to https://etherscan.io/ , enter my ETH address and it will show all tokens along with their quantity.

Do we have the same thing for the Unstoppable wallet?

There is no explorer where you can find all the Unstoppable wallets coins and their balances listed in once place. You have to copy the bitcoin address and check its balance blockchian.info. Similarly, for Ethereum and eth related tokens can be found at Etherscan. Same goes for BSC based tokens (https://bscscan.com/). Litecoin has its own explorer and so there are many coins having their own block explorers.

I understand your point of view and i will suggest you that when you deposit in any new altcoins in unstoppable wallet, make a note of that altcoin in your diary or somewhere. So in case you do delete the altcoins from the main screen, you always know in which altcoins you have balance. There may be any better way but i can only think of this way right now.

I understand what you are asking. I played around with Unstoppable Wallet very briefly in the beginning and don't remember its interface at all now. You are worried that if you delete a coin/token from the portfolio view, that you won't know or might forget that you had it there in the first place. It's a valid question.

Does Unstoppable have a "scan all blockchains" feature or something like that, where the software will go through all supported assets to see if there are any transaction records that correspond to your portfolio? I highly doubt it, but it doesn't hurt to ask. Or can you access the complete transaction history associated with your wallets without adding individual coins to the software?

You better remember or take note of what you transfer there. That's the safest way. Going back to Ledger Live, when you install the software, its portfolio view is completely empty and doesn't show any balance either. You have to add the coins and tokens to it and let it scan the blockchain before it can display your balance. It's the same thing. If you forgot you moved a certain altcoin to your Ledger and don't have the app installed on the device or the coin added to your portfolio, you wouldn't know it's there. What I don't know, though, is if your wallet's transaction history will show records of transactions you performed that currently aren't part of your portfolio view. ???

So this problem is not only with Unstoppable Wallet but with Ledger too. I am sure then there will be no way to scan all the blockchain in the trust wallet too.

This leaves us with only one option and that is to write the altcoins on a piece of paper or digitally somewhere, so if the coins are removed from the portfolio view, you know you have which coins in your portfolio.

By the way, I do not know why these wallets do not have such features and no one ever talked about it as we should have this feature  ???

I think that if you were to open a website like CoinMarketCap and read the names of coins from top to bottom, you would remember some or maybe all of the assets you put on your wallet. It doesn't help your heirs, though, who can't know what you have if you didn't write it down somewhere. I don't know how it is with closed-source multicoin wallets like Trust Wallet, Exodus, or some of the other brands. Does anyone know if they are able to successfully recover all your assets without further input by the user regarding what blockchains to scan?

I am sure it's a time-consuming task to check all coins, tokens, and blockchains. We probably have tens of thousands by now.

Easy solution: just add them all, and see what pops up. It becomes much more tricky if the wallet delisted one of your coins.

That's going to be fun. ;D I am looking at Trust Wallet's asset page where they claim they have support for +10 million assets (https://trustwallet.com/buy-crypto). At the same time, CMC shows 1.8 million available cryptos in their database (https://coinmarketcap.com/). Have I been asleep in the last years or since when do we count coins and tokens in the millions?

Yeah, that is true. Considering how common it is for shitcoin projects to fail or be abandoned by their development teams, I reckon that happens regularly.

Interesting! I never noticed that. CMC indeed shows "1.8M+" in the top-left corner. But if I scroll down and go to page 89 (https://coinmarketcap.com/?page=89), there are "only" 8884, and none of them show anything under "Volume (24h)".
It looks like they're trying to impress gullible users by breaking the record. Just like phone screen protectors: it started with "2.5D", then went up to 3D, 4D, 5D, 9D, 10D, 12D, 100D, 999D, 10000D, 30000D, 50000D and 999999D. The marketing BS has reached ridiculous levels :D

In the same way, I still "own" Forkcoins that are absolutely worthless (and shouldn't have existed in the first place). I don't mind that my wallet doesn't support them, there's no point.

New projects are modernized ponzi schemes. Some failed from the beginning. Some remain as shitcoins, become old and still fail.

I thought I was not understanding what Pmalek posted until I went to Coinmarketcap site to confirm it and I saw 1.8 million plus cryptocurrencies. Although, on the app, I saw 26923 cryptocurrencies. Both are lies.

At the same time, CoinGecko shows a total number of only 10.4k coins and tokens. I am guessing CMC counts one token available on multiple blockchains several times. For instance, tether is a token you can find all over the place, so CMC will say there are 7 tether tokens (or whatever number of blockchains they can be found on). They might do the same for all wrapped, liquid, or 2nd-layer assets. 

It has been 5 days ago, but I have just known about the new update today, Unstoppable wallet version 0.36.0 (https://github.com/horizontalsystems/unstoppable-wallet-android/releases)

What is added in the update:

1. Security enhancements: Auto-Lock, Random Numpad and Duress Mode.
2. Full app backup, means users would be able to backup not just individual wallets but the entire app with an option to include or exclude desired wallets. Read more about it.
3. Zcash upgrade
4. AI-genersated project descriptions. Read more about it
5. Other fixes: updated Unstoppable Domains SDK, updated 1inch API, redesigned app Status screen, performance improvements, UI improvements in various places

What I like more about this upgrade is the Duress Mode. I have only noticed something like this on Bluewallet before, in a way you can have a fake wallet if you enter the fake wallet password and the real wallet will not be seen (no wallet is fake but I think you understand what I mean). Duress mode on Unstoppable wallet makes this possible, and you can set different password for your different wallet to be only seen.

Assuming I am having wallet 1, 2 and 3.
My password is 12345
I set duress wallet 1 password as 11111
Duress wallet 2 password as 22222
Maybe wallet 3 is having just little amount of coins (fake wallet). Not fake wallet but I think you understand what I am implying. And the duress password is 33333

Password 12345 will let you see the whole wallet (1, 2 and 3) as usual as it was
Password 11111 will only let you see wallet 1
Password 22222 will only let you see wallet 2
Password 33333 will only let you see wallet 3

I think this is good. I use weak password for illustrating it, not recommended. Use better passwords.

"We'll just keep hitting him with a $5 wrench until he shares at least 5 wallets!".

That surely could be one of the factors about $5 wrench attacks coming from a private party or maybe even from an institution or a state.  The attacker might believe that they have uncontroversial information about the existence of 5 wallets, when ONLY three exist, so no matter what the BTC HODLer strives to achieve, he may well find himself in an impossible situation in which he is likely going to get beaten over and over and over based on the wannabe know-it-all's wrong information.

They should consider adding the  Peacemaker into their next upgrade package to counter the threat of a $5 wrench attack.



Banter aside, I would add  into wallet  something like a panic combination (which resembles a password) for sending a location-aware GPS alarm to relevant security service when user faces a $5 wrench.

Why just 5? How about 10? Hit him until you get all 10. We will then switch our focus to the other kneecap and ask him about his multi-sig setups and cold wallets. There are surely at least 5 of those.
Joking aside, if the attackers are that persistent, it doesn't matter how strong your security is because your health and that of your family is the priority.

The attackers should never know about the existence of multiple wallets, meaning you shouldn't have told anyone about it. If you go through the trouble of setting them up, then they should contain a sum that is worth protecting. Obviously, if they unlock it to find $50 inside, they will know there must be something else.   

We're talking about hot wallets here, $50 is acceptable but I wouldn't want a lot in it anyway.

Sure, but in that case, why go through the trouble of creating multiple dummy wallets to protect small sums of money if you are already holding something insignificant there, and your priority should gravitate more towards usability and quick access instead of multiple security layers, hidden wallets, and such!? 

These ideas of an attacker and decoy wallets becomes quite complicated for regular people and even for people who are just trying to be practical and spend their bitcoin in various ways having some hot wallets and some cold wallets, but sometimes moving coins from hot wallets to cold wallets and sometimes the other way around, and surely maybe there are ways to mix coins and to make the decoy wallets seem more plausible, but how much time do we want to be spending on the matters of making our decoys more and more plausible. 

For example, we go through various efforts to make our decoys plausible, and then if it ends up that the attacker happens to have information about 3 out of 10 of our wallets, and we give him our decoy wallet #6, then at that point s/he has information about 4 out of 10 of our wallets... and we might not even know, until we are being beaten with the $5 wrench, about which wallets s/he has information and which ones not...and if we are being beaten, our thinking might not be as clear as we wished as it would have been under such scenario.

Surely one of the best defenses may well to be attempting to not be telling the whole world about our bitcoin wallets, and so if we are interacting and transacting, there may be ways to get used to rotating through hot wallets and decoy wallets so that there are no real ways for the attacker to really know about the other ones that may or may not exist, and so yeah, how persistent is s/he and is s/he trying to get us to give over bitcoin that we don't have.. but s/he has "good reasons" to believe that we might have more than what we are proclaiming to have during the waterboarding process.

Trouble of spending 5 to 10 seconds more for creating/accessing other accounts?  Yeah it's a really big trouble  :D
People can do this because of simple privacy purposes, maybe you don't want someone to see all your addresses, transactions and balance.
Not everyone is running around with wrenches trying to steal crypto from your phone, in fact this are very rear cases and targets are mostly people who publicly brag about crypto ownership.
It's more likely that someone will just steal your phone and wallet with cash than anything related with crypto.

Durress mode is similar to the Passphrase option Ledger has.  Right?

If so then good job to Unstoppable.  It does give me a better sense of security and safety.  Even if I know a situation where I have to provide some body the fake code to my Wallet would be difficult to handle.

Golden words.  You made me smile.  You prepare for the worst all your life and then if the worst comes to you, you are facing what you have always feared.  How many of us are strong enough to successfully get a wrench to their bones and accept a possibility of being forever handicapped or even dying in a grotesque way, having all of our children and family suffer just to protect a digital asset.  Would you give up your legs for the Bitcoin you own:  Would you rather be paralyzed with Bitcoins on your phone or would you give the Bitcoins up and continue living a normal life.

Worth a lot of money or not.  Our passion or not.  Bitcoin should still be less important than our lives, health and sanity.  Under such scenario, many would simply freeze.  Others would give up enough information the attacker needs to get what they needed.  Others would just never give up and would die for their Bitcoins.  But the possibilities are infinite.

Maybe the attacker stops if you give them just one Wallet.  Not the 50 bucks one but maybe a chunkier one while still holding on to the majority of your Coins.  How do you know however.  Maybe you give the attacker even 10 Wallets and they continue giving you the wrench.  Maybe the attacker is in fact a psycho.  Crazy guy who would never stop.

Maybe that is the point.  The attacker could have one purpose.  Getting as many Wallets from you while slowly KILLING you.  Not just hurting you until you give up.

I wonder if any of us could continue lying well about the other Wallets while being beaten.  That 5 Dollar wrench can easily trigger a mental break down since you know you are hiding something and you know you are sort of being punished for it.  If you can handle a lie SO well the attacker does not notice at all then great for you.  But what the freak happens if they notice something seems off about your answers.  Could be the worst outcome for you indeed.

Scary scenario.  We are all preparing for it but unfortunately in many cases even the most prepared people get the expected in the most unexpected way at the most unexpected time.  God forbid this scenario EVER happens to any of us.

Anyway.  5 Dollar wrench attacked or not.  Stay safe and prioritize life, health, sanity over anything digital or material.

As far as I know, any passphrase on Ledger creates another wallet. On Unstoppable wallet, only valid PINs work.

It is. New plan:
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/41JO6otLMZL.jpg
I'm getting one of these! Cut a hole at the end, and use epoxy glue to embed my hardware wallet into the wrench. My $63 wrench beats any $5 wrench!

The element of surprise can come from psychos and also from people who are not very psycho, but just determined for other reasons, including various kinds of societal breakdowns that may or may not go back to economics.  

Frequently the attacker will not have a lot of specifics, but it could be an attacker who has quite a bit of specifics.  

It surely does not hurt to prepare for a variety of attackers, but we might not be able to prepare for some of the scenarios, and we also might get lucky to have had prepared to lose more than we end up losing... and yeah, some times, the wrong doer will fear so much getting caught that he will want to make sure that there are no witnesses, so we are not in a good situation if we might not know the attackers ultimate goal is to make sure that we are not a witness.


Yep.. the element of surprise.. can sometimes not provide enough protection (even if your wrench or gun is BIGGer), and surely many people are honest in the world, but sometimes we might find ourselves in some kind of precarious position.  

Surely some folks live with many security systems, so any intruder has to get past the various security systems (or to be a house guest), but even those people with high security may well have some places in which they are vulnerable... who is wanting to live like that?  but sometimes there are instances in which societies break down because too many people get desperate, and then experiencing thieves, assault and robbery can even cause honest people to consider futility in terms of their history of having had acted honestly.. and seeing the less honest people getting ahead while they suffer and consider that their honesty might be keeping them in less prosperous circumstances... so sometimes even relatively "honest" people might get lured into performing desperate acts or even taking advantage of a situation.. and sure it is more difficult to confront someone directly rather than sneaking behind their back.

Which one do you think has fewer weak spots?  Ledger with their Passphrase or Unstoppable with their Duress?

So is there a way to add all of the tokens automatically? Adding them manually one by one with each token is available on multiple blockchains, is another hectic task.


For whom do we need the fake wallet? You mean that  we will enter the fake wallet password in front of our friend and then show him that we have only few coins while our real assets are stored with other password. Other than this i don't find it useful. And there is no way this duress password is safe guard against the hackers/malwares as he can hack other passwords too, if he is able to compromise duress password  of fake wallet somehow

I also upgraded my wallet to the latest 0.36 version. Good to see that this time they have focused more on security upgrades which include Auto Lock, Random Numpad and Duress mode.

https://i.ibb.co/HTR9QWd/Unstoppable.jpg



This is exactly what is the purpose of this and also it is explained in the update. If you are ever forced into an unfortunate situation where someone forces you to open up the wallet (at a gunpoint or something), you can open it with the wallet password which has a few amount of coins and this way your main wallet will remain safe.

The passphrase gives unlimited possibilities, the PIN only 1 million. And if you have 10 wallets, 1 in 100,000 PINs will be valid. I don't think it matters much in practice, just have your 24" wrench ready.

Passphrase will be generating different wallet (keys and addresses) in a way that without the passphrase, the wallet can not be compromised.

On Unstoppable wallet, the password is for different wallet entirely.

Which one has a weaker spot? Not worth comparing both because Ledgers is a hardware wallet and would be considered more secure in general. Although, if Ledger is the only hardware wallet that remains on earth, I will never use a hardware wallet because of obvious reasons.

If a hardware wallet has duress mode and support passphrase just like how it is on Unstoppable wallet, but in a way that they seed phrase and they keys will be difficult to know with secure element, I can have different wallet with different passphrase and different pin (duress mode) for each wallet which j consider secure.

No, even if you have altcoin address funded, you have to add it manually.

Don't forget that Ledger has two ways to allow access to the passphrase-protected account/s. One way is by entering the passphrase the way it was set up, which is more secure, but the other way is to connect the passphrase to a secondary PIN. That PIN is, at worst, 4 digits, and at best 8 digits long.

I have heard about this wallet before but did not try it until yesterday. After installing the app, I was disappointed that it does not have many coins. But after watching the video linked in the OP, I learned it does support multiple chains and many alts too. I tried to access the website https://unstoppable.money/, but I cannot access it.


Usually, I bypass these warnings by clicking on advance, but I can't continue this time. Not sure if it's me only or if it is the same for everyone. The rating on play store is not good at all. A open source wallet with 3 star rating is not good enough.

This happens a lot:
If you set your computer's time zone to Howland Island's time zone, it probably works again for the coming 89 minutes.

I see 4.0 stars (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=io.horizontalsystems.bankwallet&hl=en&gl=US). Or 4.4 (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=io.horizontalsystems.bankwallet&hl=en_IN), I don't know why there are 2 different versions. Or 4.7 (https://apps.apple.com/us/app/unstoppable-crypto-wallet/id1447619907) for Apple.

If you do not have a hardware wallet that is supporting many of these altcoins, you may be disappointed that Unstoppable wallet is the only wallet that is open source and supporting coins with their tokens (like Ethereum and ERC20 tokens), but not supporting many other altcoins that do not have tokens. I noticed this when I started using the wallet. It works good with those coins and their tokens, even no noticable synchronizing issue. But with other coins with no tokens, likely you will encounter synching issue while some other alcoins with no tokens are not supported.

But I like Unstoppable wallet because it is open source and because it is supporting passphrase. Hardly will you see multicoins wallet that will support passphrase.

I think this confused him:

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/11/25/N2Lg5.jpeg

I mean that 'rated for 3+'

But this is what it means:

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/11/25/N2oN2.jpeg


If he scroll down further, likely he would have seen the rating:


https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/11/25/N24oc.jpeg

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=io.horizontalsystems.bankwallet

That explains it.
I was actually thinking of getting my kids a crypto wallet :D Let them choose if they want their allowance in cash, or magic internet money. Their allowance is too low for Bitcoin transaction fees, which unfortunately only leaves altcoins. But there's not really a point if they can't spend it to buy toys online.

It seems problematic to introduce kids to bitcoin through shitcoins.... or to consider that it would be good to go that route, even though I have some troubles considering any really good solution, yet it does not seem that we are getting very far away from the ideas of savings and/or sound money and/or investing (if that might be part of what you might be trying to teach your kids as well as financial responsibility and being responsible for their value once they get it).  But then, getting them into shitcoins seem to take a potential easy route out that is kind of like just considering the transactional value rather than the storage of value option that bitcoin provides but it does not have to be honored because bitcoin can also be transferred and transacted in, but there might be some costs in doing that.. I know kids frequently are not thinking that far out into the future, and a week or a month might seem to be a long time to many kids.. but then it seems problematic to end up potentially contributing to the kids to consider shitcoins as similar to bitcoin.. and maybe just getting back to the "just say no" values that surely sound better in theory rather than in practice.  

I can think of a couple of possible solutions, and one is to figure out some kind of a lightning wallet solution, even though there seem to be technical aspects with keeping many of them going.  Another possibility would be to hold their funds in some kind of a separate accounting that is held by you (the parent), and then once the funds reach a certainly high enough level to justify the fees (or periods when the fees go down), then to send the funds to a wallet that the kid controls.. if that is what you mean by giving to your kids is that they would also control the wallet.. and maybe you have some oversight and maybe not depending on their age and other aspects of your way of relating with them..

Some amounts may be insignificant for some people while the same amount can be insignificant for others. For example, someone may be storing 1 ETH in the unstoppable wallet and may keep it in the hidden wallet, as 2000$ may be a big amount of money for him, while the other person may store the same amount of ETH without hiddenly, as 2000$ may not be a big amount for him. Even one may have 0.5 ETH with him and he may saved each penny to gather 1000$ to get that ETH.

So there are many people who may have an insignificant amount of money stored in unstoppable wallets but that money is significant for them.

I didn't try it because I don't think the website has much information, but I wanted to check it. No problem, I will check back later once things get fixed.


Charles-Tim already explains it. When I search for an unstoppable wallet on Play Store, the first result shows it with 3+ star ratings. Of course, I didn't scroll to see the actual ratings as I thought some competitors might be doing their business strangely.


At least it's still better than closed-source wallets. I will try to meet my needs with this one if I can.

If you have a lot of altcoins to store, then Unstoppable Wallet can be your best choice. (In case you do not have a hardware wallet).

For bitcoins, I will still prefer the Electrum desktop version over the unstoppable wallets and there are many reasons for this. Electrum supports a lot of bitcoin features like RBF or multi signatures, which you may not find in the unstoppable wallet.

I am already using Electrum on my desktop and my Android, too. I never planned to hold altcoins for a long time. But, sometimes, we need to make some transactions, and sometimes, I buy altcoins for a short period. But, surely, it's better to hold my coins in my own wallet, even if it's for one day. I was using centralized exchanges to buy altcoins and kept them there. So, I decided to use a dedicated altcoin wallet. Previously, I used Trust Wallet. But, as you may know, it's a closed source, which is why everyone asks not to use it. For now, I am also moving to Unstoppable Wallet and using Electrum.

My take: nobody should keep "a significant amount" in a hot wallet, including "hidden" hot wallets. If you don't care about losing $2k, then by all means, keep it in a hot wallet for your daily spending. But if you can't risk losing $50 (for instance because you earn $12 per month (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5470438.0)), then you shouldn't keep it in a hot wallet.

You're right. It sucks not being able to use on-chain Bitcoin for small amounts. Not only for my kids, but also for many people (like mentioned above) who would spend a week's worth of wages on a transaction fee.
Using LN isn't really an option either: I don't want to teach them to use custodial wallets, especially long-term, and non-custodial wallets come with high on-chain fees for opening and closing channels.
If it wouldn't be so much work, I'd setup a testnet webshop, in which they can order candy using their Bitcoin testnet mobile wallet. Like Starblocks (https://starblocks.acinq.co/), but for kids, and I'll actually give them the items they order.

I don't know if you are aware but there is one member in forum who owns small ''exchange'' and he started to offer testnet Bitcointhere , some people actually buy and sell that stuff for real, even if those coins don't have any monetary value... well now they have ^{some value}.

At the risk of deviating even further off-topic: I've seen it, but selling testnet coins isn't what I meant. I meant using testnet Bitcoin to buy real items (again: only for my own kids). That way they can experience online shopping, they can experience paying with Bitcoin, and I'll actually give them the items they ordered. Until they discover a testnet faucet and order 1 trillion candies, of course.

Even though both of us admitted that we are deviating from topic, so I will keep it short to say that I don't feel that I have enough information to challenge you regarding how channels are managed in lighting, since I really only have a handful of transactions on a few lighting wallets.... and I have opened channels through my main two LN wallets which currently are Phoenix and Breez.. .. I can reserve comment for possibly another time and another thread, after I practice more on the opening and closing or even costs of adding value once opened, and hopefully some of these LN wallets are going to be getting more and more user-friendly regarding using them, maintaining them and just being available in more places whether peer to peer or more merchant adoption, so that we can have more places to practice using them and to better inform ourselves how on personal levels how they are working.

I am kind of glad that you said that it costs too much to open and close channels rather than it was too technical for them to use them (or too unreliable), so costs might be something that I can at least play around with attempting to analyze the idea for a while, or maybe some of the cost facts (avenues/options) might improve in the future.

I am having an issue in swapping and transferring OP. When i try to swap the OP to the USDT,  the below error message appears. Even though i have enough ETH in my Unstoppable wallet, yet it says the eth balance is low, while i have more than 1000$ of ETH balance in my wallet.

What can be the issue and how i can resolve this? The same happens if I try to send OP to some external address.

https://i.ibb.co/HXnBLTL/Image1.jpg     https://i.ibb.co/6DmbsNm/Image-2.jpg

I've never used this feature, and in my mind "OP" isn't something you can sell, but here's a guess: it says "network fee N/A", could that be the reason?

Optimism (OP) is layer 2.

The fee is not ERC20 ether, but ether on Optimism network.

Search for ETH on Unstoppable wallet, you will see ETH (Optimism). That is the ether that you will use for the transaction. On exchanges and onchain transfer, the ether transaction fee on Optimism network is very cheap. So buy it should not be a problem.

Charles-Tim is correct. You are trying to pay transaction fees on network A using tokens that reside on Network B, and that's why it's not working. It's the same asset (ETH) but on a different chain or layer.

Since he already has Ethereum in his Unstoppable Wallet, he should be able to use the internal swap feature to exchange the native ETH coins to the ETH tokens he needs on the Optimism layer, I assume. 

First you should stop using shitcoins and silly tokens, but if you allredy have them at least do some minimal research how they work before asking questions like this  :P
And note that swap option in unstoppable wallet is using third party exchanges and partners.

Just like how it is on some altcoin wallets, like Trustwallet which is close source and not recommendable. This is what I found on Unstable wallet:

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/12/25/Iv4aH.jpeg  https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/12/25/Iv5Tg.jpeg

It is yet not possible on Unstoppable wallet. That ETH supposed to have optimism symbol which can make it confusing as it is in ERC20 symbol, but it is ETH on Optimism network.

It is true that many altcoins are regarded as shitcoins buy bitcoin enthusiasts, but I do not accept that he should make minimal research before asking such a question on this forum because you do not know if he searched online but unable to have a solution. This is a forum and we are here to learn from ourselves. But the question would better be in altcoins board instead of this thread. He created a different question that has been moved to altcoins board that needed the same answer as this and I think he knows what to do now.

I am talking about the ETH and this has the domoninace of 16% , the 2nd largest crypto currecny after bitcoin which has the dominance of almost 48%. I don't know how you call ETH a shitcoin  ???

Also most people will use Electurm wallet for the bitcoins, which makes unstoppable wallet only for the shitcoins  :P

Anyways, thanks everyone for the guidance, yes i was doing a mistake of not having the Ether on Layer 2 (that is OP).

My settings: "Tor" and "From Blockchain". I received a small LTC-payment, which even after 11 confirmations didn't show up. When I killed Unstoppable Wallet and restarted it, it rescanned the last transactions and my transaction showed up. That's not how I expect a wallet to work.

Let's see: it's centrally controlled, pre-mined, used to scam millions of people with worthless made-up tokens, and forks when it's convenient for the rich owners. But all of that is off-topic here, so I'll stop.

I have the worst experience when I used it for litecoin few months ago. I had to send and keep resending the transaction until it was finally successful which was the third time. It has synchronizing and sending issue. I will not recommend it for coins like bitcoin, litecoin, dash and other coins that have synchronizing issue. It is only good for those like BSC, Solana and others with their tokens.

How would you prefer me to call ethereum instead?
There are several synonyms I can use instead of word shit, for example crap, poop, dump, junk,etc.
Solana crap is now third or fourth by ''dominance'' but that doesn't mean it's any good, it still remains centralized junk supported by ftx scammer.
For me only good reason why someone would use shitcoins is because of privacy, or because they support stablecoins for temporary trading.
And that is the reason why someone may need to use multi-currency wallets.

Now back on Unstoppable wallet topic please.

I can somehow agree with this.
I tested how Unstoppable works with stable coin USDT on tron network, and it's not good.
Most of the times it won't sync even if you leave it open for longer periods of time, so it's unusable in real life situation.
They often release updates so maybe some of the stuff is fixed, but I can't confirm that.

I don't see a need to use Unstoppable Wallet for coins like Litecoin, Dash, Bitcoin, or Tron. All those assets have native wallets that you can use. And it's safer than using the same keys for all coins. In case something goes wrong and the keys leak or the wallet gets hacked, you wouldn't lose everything you have in your wallet. You only lose one asset, while the rest remains safe.

0.37.0 was released a couple of weeks ago, but was only pushed to the play store yesterday

The only thing that is probably worth mentioning is the fast syncing for bitcoin. You can find the detailed changelog here[1]

[1] https://github.com/horizontalsystems/unstoppable-wallet-android/releases

I have just updated to the latest version and I noticed there is no more synchronizing issue for bitcoin all address types. But it is not my bitcoin wallet. One of the reasons is because it is not supporting replace-by-fee and because I will like my bitcoin to be on a bitcoin-only wallet. I still enjoy Electrum and Sparrow to a greater extent, while Electrum, Bluewallet and Samourai on mobile devices. But this is a good improvement.

I hope Unstoppable wallet developers will do the same for altcoins that have the synchronizing issue. Like litecoin and dash. I checked both but still the same like before. Both even take longer time to synchronize than before.

Also for altcoins users, if more coins is added would be good. A friend of mine asked me a wallet that is supporting algorand some weeks ago. I searched for it on Unstoppable wallet and I was unable to see it. There are still other well known coins that the wallet is not supporting.

There is another one that I see as a major improvement, especially for newbies. Which is spam transaction filter that would be against address poisoning. I see this as a major improvement because some people send their altcoins to attacker's address this way and only noticed when it is too late already.

Looking at the release notes, the reason why syncing is significantly faster is because Unstoppable Wallet has integrated Blockchair.com's API service. Judging by how they worded the update, users can still use the 'old' and slow P2P synchronization option. I am glad they did it. When I originally tested this wallet, it took a long time to sync and took up too much space on my phone. Hopefully, Bitcoin is just the beginning of many other networks that will be improved in this way. 

Well they did mention in their version 0.37 update that there will be fast Bitcoin Sync and specifically mentioned for the bitcoin and bitcoin cash blockchains. However, i noticed that all other blockchain sync time is also considerably improved and the whole unstoppable wallets syncs within no time.

I think this update was much awaited and by far the best update in term of satisfying the user experience of using the app. Yes, there may be more better security updates in previous updates but those are all in the backend. This update will be mostly liked and noticed by everyone using the Unstoppable Wallet.

https://i.ibb.co/x5xB9cC/Unstoppabe.jpg

I guess they are slowly working their way towards speeding up altcoin blockchains as well. Your reply is the opposite of what Charles-Tim said earlier. According to him, he now needs even more time to synchronize his Litecoin and Dash balances. Maybe it was just a temporary problem on his end or you have different assets, and some are now syncing faster, while others still aren't.   

I have not tested bitcoin cash on it before but it synchronized very fast when I tried it just now.

For litecoin, on my two mobile devices, it is not synchronizing at all now after I left it open for 5 minutes 0% synchronization. I tried it just now.

For dash, on both devices, it is very slow. The synchronization got to 26% after 5 minutes on the first device while 38% after 5 minutes on the second device. Also I tried it just now.

That is not the only problem if you have this kind of coins. If you want to send them, it can be pending for minutes and later become failed. It happened when I wanted to send litecoin in the past. I tried it there times before it was send successfully. The third time that I sent the coin, it was first pending for several minutes if not hours.

I hope they can sort those issues out. The Unstoppable Wallet is a rare open-source occurrence in a sea of closed-source multi-coin software wallets in this industry. It would be too bad if they started losing their userbase because they can't get the basics right, like allowing people to sync their balances and make transactions properly. Fingers crossed.

There is no issue with my Litecoin and it instantly syncs once I open my unstoppable wallet. (Although i don't have much LTC in my wallet)

https://i.ibb.co/KVz3PcY/LTC.jpg


Previously I had ZEC selected in my wallet and it never syncs. I added dash today just to check and it also does not sync as shown in below screenshot. I don't know what could be the reason for this, maybe the unstoppable wallet has some issues syncing privacy coins  ???

https://i.ibb.co/4Z9sRrZ/DASH.jpg

I noticed that BIP44 litecoin addresses are easier to synchronize with the blockchain, although it took up to 1 minutes before it did. I noticed that BIP 49 was the next. Followed by BIP84. While BIP 86 was the slowest that took more than 3 minutes to get to 26% just now and I did not wait for it to finish synchronizing.

You have coin on it. If you open the wallet often, likely you might not know the synchronizing issue. But if you just want to use it or enable it to be on your coin list, you will notice the issue. Litecoin transaction fee is low, can you transfer the coin and see if there is any issue as I had issue with it in the past with pending and failed transaction.

If you open your wallet daily, you may not know the issue, especially if you have the coin on your list and you have several coins in a way you are not seeing litecoin unless you scroll down. But if you leave your wallet for some days or a week without opening it, you will see the synchronizing issue.

I have a wallet on the two devices that I have left for like 2 months now, for litecoin they are not even synchronizing at all and showing a triangle in red. I mean on both devices.

Unstoppable has released several versions after releasing version 0.37.0.
As of version 0.37.1, sync issues in Tron and Bitcoin. In version 0.37.2, updated bitcoin-kit and I want to say that Unstoppable wallet in version 0.37.3 is the final version for now regarding Solana token balance sync.

Version 0.37.3 (https://github.com/horizontalsystems/unstoppable-wallet-android/releases/tag/0.37.3). Released in the last 2 days.

Instead of adding solana and other junk they should work more on adding coin control for Bitcoin, and that should not be such a hard thing to do.
I don't see anyone suggesting that on their github page, but it would be good thing to do if someone has github or reddit/discord account.

Agreed. Adding coin control for Bitcoin if they are willing to do it, I don't think it's a hard thing to do. I also don't see anyone suggesting about it on their github.
Just try if coin control for Bitcoin is added to Unstoppable, maybe their Android version of the wallet will be at the top of other wallets that support more than one coin.

Is it possible that there are no issues coming from github so they are not focusing on coin control for Bitcoin?
If we were the ones to suggest coin controls for Bitcoin, would they make that suggestion a priority and be executed?

Unstoppable wallet do not have replace-by-fee and child-pay-for-parent. No where to connect it to hardware wallet. No multisig function. I can not use it to spend coins with unconfirmed transaction. Unstoppable wallet have a long way to go if we are talking about bitcoin.

I just like how it is. Things are in a way I have my bitcoin separate from altcoins.

You can not use Unstoppable wallet offline as a cold wallet. Although, you can use it as a watch-only wallet.

There are still some syncing problem.

What I think should be fixed now is the litecoin, dash, zcash and other coins synching problem. Also to support other coins. I recommend a friend of mine the wallet. He complained to me that the wallet is not supporting doge and algo and some coins that he wants to gamble with. I think a wallet should support a coin that has a marketcap of over $1 billion.

There are many bitcoin open source wallets like Electrum and Sparrow, or Bluewallet and Samourai for mobile that Unstoppable wallet can not be compared with. Bitcoin users will prefer to use those bitcoin-only wallet that has more functionality. No milticoin wallet that has more functionality that those bitcoin-only wallet if it about bitcoin.

I am a Bitcoin user who does not use 1 wallet for all assets with various special considerations. Instead of using 1 wallet for all coins, placing Bitcoin in a dedicated Bitcoin wallet is the best choice such as Bluewallet (mobile) that you mentioned besides Electrum which is the top priority as a software wallet on Windows desktop.

Unstoppable is only an option for storing altcoins. No more than that. Just like you, I recommend Unstoppable Wallet for people who still use Trust Wallet as a wallet for storing altcoins.

Just wish they had the initiative to add coin control instead of them putting focus on altcoin types.

Most multi-coin wallets are made by companies that don't really put enough effort into security and auditing, and on top of that are also closed source. So the fact that we regularly hear about exploits against these kind of wallets is not surprising. Unstoppable Wallet is the exception, and it definitely is possible to make a wallet that can connect to bitcoin SPV nodes, EVM nodes, Polkadot, BSC, etc. but few people have the motivation for that.

That's the best thing you can do is to keep the Bitcoin in wallets that are made dedicated only for Bitcoin like Electrum, Sparrow wallet or the blue Wallet etc and keep the altcoins separately. I also follow a similar practice.


People need to be educated about why they want to use or experiment with different multi-coin wallets (open source or closed source) ?
Simply if they use one wallet for the altcoins that is an Unstoppable wallet, that is enough to meet their needs and also have peace of mind that they are using a good trusted Open Source wallet. People mostly use trust wallets instead because of their extensive marketing but they need to know the difference and consequences of using an Open Source and a Closed source wallet.

This can't be repeated often enough: none of this is going to help you if your system is compromised. Keep your Bitcoins in cold storage, and only use hot wallets for small payments.

Based on the experiences of other people that I have followed and studied myself through reading habits, it is true that the best practice in storing assets such as Bitcoin is not to put them together in one wallet. Electrum is very popular and has been tested by many users, following in the footsteps of those who have recognized the advantages of Electrum as the best wallet, it is not wrong even though I am not as knowledgeable as they are.

I have never used Sparrow, but I still use Bluewallet for storing BTC which is not in large quantities.
And Unstoppable, I only use it as a wallet to store altcoins.


I will store this command in memory indefinitely.

You got the right point, that is storing BTC in Open Source software wallet only in small quantities. Ideally, it should be the amount that you need to transact with often otherwise if you're storing your bitcoins for the long term, hardware wallets / cold storage is the best option. For the altcoins too, you can store the ones that you need to trade often move in and out of the exchange and unstoppable wallet (in case you are a spot trader) and the investment of these altcoins should find a place in the hardware wallet.

I buy the coins on an exchange for trading in the spot, move them to my Unstoppable wallet, and then move them again to the exchange if i want to sell after a few days or sometimes use the Swap feature within the Unstoppable wallet to sell the coins for stable coins or bitcoin. The purpose of altcoin trading/investment should always be to increase your assets in stable coins or in bitcoins.

Unstoppable Wallet Maybe they didn't want to go out of trend, and they added Solana because it was hype.
Multi-Chain wallets will always add every new network even if no one suggests it, they follow the trend but ignore the security on the network.

Now see how the Solana Blockchain has always been problematic and even to the point of death and need to restart.
This seems to have become a common case in Solana networks.

According to analysts, there is a design flaw in the Solana blockchain, Solana uses Proof Of History(PoH) consensus,
which is untested, while Proof Of Stake (PoS) has gone through a very long research and testing process.

source:
[1] https://cointelegraph.com/news/solana-network-outage-block-production-halted

The process of using the exchange and wallet that you should do, I think is on the right track because you choose to go in and out of the exchange to the wallet because storing assets on the exchange is not a recommendation to do, even in small amounts.

When I use Unstoppable, the process is the same as yours. Buy altcoins on exchange and I move to wallet. Interested in selling because I have made a profit due to the increase in price, from wallet send again to exchange.

Since using the Unstoppable wallet, I have never used the swap feature available on this wallet.


Depends on individual choice.

For sure, they need to add Solana and other chains too. Since Unstoppable wallet is known to be a multi coin wallet, everyone expects that they will incorporate all the chains in it. Otherwise who want to store Solana will be disappointed. By the way, if the SOL blockchain has a problem, it has nothing to do with the Unstoppable wallet. It's the people choice whether they want to buy and store the SOL token in their wallet and by the looks of the SOL price, it seems that people are not being disturbed the the problematic solana blockchain.  :(


I guess, although the swap feature is easy to use but it is more expensive as compared to moving the coins back to the exchanges and then sell those coins.

Yes, this is only a matter of choice and will have no effect on Unstoppable wallet.
SOLANA is just a network that happens to be hype lately but it seems that it's over.

I also as an Unstoppable wallet user not only focus on SOL chains but many chains that I use.

Whether you want to swap or not depends on each use.
The fee for swap also follows the network fee used, I tried to swap on the BSC network and the fee was under $1, and it was very cheap.

Unstoppable has 3 main Swap Providers namely 1inch, Pancake v2, v3 and Uniswap v3.
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In the past month, Unstoppable wallet (now with only 2 coins) has used 685 MB mobile data, and 829 MB through Wifi. The weird thing is: I'm on Wifi 90% of the day. It's as if it waits for me to go out, and then starts updating :P

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Since my initial installation, BNB on the BEP2 network has never synchronized properly for me. However, there haven't been any issues with BEP20. Is this really a bug in the application, or is it just me experiencing this?

What I know is that BEP2 is the native blockchain of Binance Coin. Has it truly been completely replaced by BEP-20 in this wallet?
Although this issue can be resolved by transferring my balance through an exchange, such as entering with BEP2 and exiting with BEP20, I'll definitely be hindered by direct transfers to the BNB balance on the native blockchain.

With all these sync issues and other issues being reported here, i am concerned about what happens if we transfer a crypto coin to the unstoppable wallet but we are not able to withdraw it because that particular never syncs  ???

Is it possible that we can use the unstoppable wallet seed to import it into any other wallets?
If so, what are our options and alternative wallets for unstoppable wallet ?

Worst case, you can probably recover all your private keys using Ian Coleman's Mnemonic Code Converter (https://iancoleman.io/bip39/) (with the usual security precautions, such as offline, airgapped, curtains closed, and burn the computer in holy fire afterwards). Usually I'd try that before funding, but I'm only keeping small amounts in this (or any other) mobile wallet, so I didn't bother.

My Unstoppable wallet "forgot" it's Litecoin data today. It had to restart syncing from 2014. I use Tor and "Slow, Private" Blockchain settings, and it takes hours and several GB of data. It's still running, and uses a lot of power. I had to connect the charger because of the battery consumption (my phone has been warm for hours). I don't know what caused this.

I think they released a new update recently so maybe they fixed the problem you had, but you can't expect to have no issues with any multicoin wallets, more shitcoins just means more issues  :P
Have you tried testing Stack wallet (https://github.com/cypherstack/stack_wallet) or other wallets from this list (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5482076.msg63519665#msg63519665) I created as alternative to Coinomi wallet?
Unlike Unstoppable, Stack wallet has coin control and it also have Tor support, but there are some bugs in desktop version (for me).

Nope. I don't like installing unknown software, so I install as little apps as possible. I don't want to risk compromising my phone for the dust amounts of altcoins I have.

I am facing a strange issue now on my unstoppable wallet and it is annoying and frustrating above all, I am not sure what to do in this case  ???

While my Bep20 tokens and tokens on other chains are syncing properly, but all of my Ethereum and Erc20 tokens aren't syncing at all in all the wallets in Unstoppable. I have tried to keep the wallet open thinking it may take longer to sync, but of no use.

https://i.ibb.co/nspDkMq/Unstoppable-2.jpg

I can't move/send my funds to any other wallet due to this syncing problem and i am really worried.
If anyone have some solution on how to fix this and why it happened in the first place ?  

I checked my version of the app and it is 0.37.5

Do you have Tor settings enabled in your settings?
And did you updated Unstoppable wallet to latest version?
Try disabling Tor and reinstalling wallet and see if that fixes your problem.

You can simply use seed words Unstoppable wallet generated and import them in some other wallet of your choice, maybe Stack wallet or OneKey wallet.
I made a full list of open source multicoin wallets and you can find it here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5482076.0

I also experienced the same problem. I've enabled Tor settings on unstoppable wallet in settings, but ETH and USDT (ERC20) don't work well.
The Unstoppable Wallet that I am currently using is in the latest version which was updated on Feb 29 as the last update according to releases horizontalsystem (https://github.com/horizontalsystems), Version 0.37.5 (https://github. com/horizontalsystems/unstoppable-wallet-android/releases/tag/0.37.5)

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I haven't used the stack wallet however I am not comfortable with OneKey wallet as it is a bit techy to use as you have to add/select different chains to see their tokens. Unstoppable wallet is easy enough to use but I do not understand why this sync issue has been appearing in this wallet recently.



I do not enable TOR however my wallet is also the updated latest one. I tried to search on the internet but did not find any resolution specifically related to Unstoppable Wallet.

Have you tried to update the blockchain setting for the Ethereum chain in the unstoppable wallet?

Here are the steps:-

Go to Settings ---> Block Chain Settings ----> Ethereum

Here you will be asked to select the source the unstoppable wallet will use to sync the wallets.

By default the source is selected as "Infura", change it to "LIamaNodes" (https://eth.LLamarpc.com)

Note the setting will automatically be applied to all the wallets. Hopefully, this will resolve your sync issues for the Ethereum blockchain.

Hi. This is quite helpful that can make ETH and USDT (ERC20) back to normal in my Unstoppable Android wallet.

I noticed, before the blockchain settings were carried out on the Unstoppable wallet, the Ethereum coin was used infura (mainnet.infura) for synchronizing wallet(s).
After the changes are made in the settings from the mainnet.infura to llamanodes, the result is synchronizing working well as usual.

Thank You.

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Hi. I would like to say that after the problem of synchronizing ustoppable wallets on Ethereum and USDT (ERC20) coins that I also experienced, now they have the latest update available for the Infura problem in version 0.37.6 even though it is still in pre-release status.

Here's the update version 0.37.6 pre-release: https://github.com/horizontalsystems/unstoppable-wallet-android/releases/tag/0.37.6

Full Changelog: 0.37.5...0.37.6 (https://github.com/horizontalsystems/unstoppable-wallet-android/compare/0.37.5...0.37.6)

@virusog, you should try the blockchain settings there. I was helped after doing this. Now I want to update this application and will return to share my experience after that.

Hey people,

great forum.

I have probably a “stupid” question:

But how in the world do I swap one Coin or another in the Unstoppable wallet?

Thanks in advance.

Click on the coin that you want to swap. You will see the swap icon which you can click on.

https://talkimg.com/images/2024/04/17/jJhPf.jpeg

The third icon from the left is the swap icon which I circle in while. You can click on the coin to change it and also click on select to change it to a token you want to swap to on the swap page.

Thank you.
Interesting - on the iPhone App there is not that button...

Note that Unstoppable is using third party exchange partners for this swaps, they claim to all be decentralized (uniswap, pancake, 1inch) but I don't know how they are doing swaps with Bitcoin.
I also noticed that Tor settings enabled can sometimes create issue with some coins and swaps.

Before using better check our Unstoppable faq page:
https://unstoppable.money/faq

Hey everyone. I want to share information that Unstoppable has released version 0.38.0.

I will try to share some of the highlights here, such as:
1. MAJOR BITCOIN UPGRADE
Accelerate/cancel pending Bitcoin transactions.
There are still 3 more that are included in the Major Bitcoin Upgrade points.

2. TOKEN ANALYTICS ENHANCEMENTS
AI powered buy/sell signals
Smart contract token analysis

3. WATCHLIST ENHANCEMENTS

4. TRANSACTIONS FILTERS

This is an advancement from the Unstoppable wallet.
Source: https://github.com/horizontalsystems/unstoppable-wallet-android/releases/tag/0.38.0
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First, do not use the word 'accelerate' because on this forum, it means a different thing from bump fee or increase fee by double spending or replace-by-fee. This are the common terms used as what Unstoppable wallet meant as 'speed up'. Or you could have just use 'speed up'.

Second, there are other updates about bitcoin that you skipped but which is what that is most important to us. You can now use coin control on Unstoppable wallet. Users can preview previously used addresses for incoming bitcoin payments. Also we can add memo now for incoming bitcoin payments.


But it is nice that you brought this.

Thank you for warning me. My use of the word 'accelerate' is not appropriate here. I should have used the words 'speed up' as written in highlight version 0.38.0.

So true. I did not include these points and only informed one point which I quoted regarding 'users are now able to speed up / cancel pending Bitcoin transactions', as initial information which can then be seen for themselves by users who read it.

The 3 points consisting of coin control, 'users are now able to view previously used addresses for incoming Bitcoin payments', and the addition of memos to outgoing Bitcoin payments which are updated in this latest version are very important.

The latest information, version 0.38.1 Unstoppable wallet has also been released, but it is still pre-release.

https://github.com/horizontalsystems/unstoppable-wallet-android/releases/tag/0.38.1

Sharp info! Have it in mind that more updates will be added to the new versions so in my own opinion I feel it is better to wait for the updates to be completed before sharing info. However, i understand you are trying to keep track of what they are building inside and let everyone know.

Thank You. Let's just say I have nothing to do other than share information about wallet updates. Do not be too serious. Only fun, dude.
There have been two new releases after the release of version 0.38.1 [Pre-release]. Even though it is only a small update in two versions [0.38.2 (https://github.com/horizontalsystems/unstoppable-wallet-android/releases/tag/0.38.2) and 0.38.3 (https://github.com/horizontalsystems/unstoppable-wallet-android/releases/tag/0.38.3)] it is useful for users because the developer focuses on existing issues.



I'm just happy with the development efforts being made.

Unstoppable developers just released a new version 0.38.4 of their wallet, so make sure to update in due time.
I see they made some improvements, especially since 0.38 was released few weeks ago, they finally added coin control, and their app now works much better for me:
https://github.com/horizontalsystems/unstoppable-wallet-android/releases/tag/0.38.4

PS
It would be nice if they could release desktop wallet in future.

The last three updates were of minor improvement. The main update that coin control was added has been discussed here. You can scroll up a little to see it immediately. It was version 0.38.0.

https://github.com/horizontalsystems/unstoppable-wallet-android/releases/tag/0.38.0

About the wallet working better, especially for bitcoin synchronization, the update was last year. That was on version 0.37 that was released on the 28th December of last year.

Unstoppable wallet is becoming one of the best bitcoin wallets. It is having the necessary features that those bitcoin wallets are having. What I will like the wallet developers to add is lightning network. It is not necessary but I will like to see that. Desktop versions like Linux, Windows and macOS will be good, but this will require more work from the developers. It can even be used on airgapped devices which will make desktop to be very good, but this may not be easy for the developers to begin with with those operating systems.

I have updated to the latest version.
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The desktop version I really want to look forward to after they add coin control and option to add public on-chain notes to the release version 0.38.0.

Unstoppable in my opinion, a multi-coin wallet is pretty good for me to use. Bitcoin's address is not only one type, but they have several types of formats such as BIP 84 recommended by them, Legacy (BIP 44), Taproot (BIP 86) and Segwit (BIP 49).
If they add a lightning network, it will be even better because it can be an option for users who want more efficient and cheaper transactions even though the use of lightning networks is not much familiar to some users.

I didn't hear any news about that, so I wouldn't wait on that release.
Closest open source alternative is Stack wallet for desktop, but it's still in beta and users can experience some bugs.
There is also coin control in Stack, but I think they support different coins, Stack is more oriented towards privacy coins.

I've also opened the issue list to see if there are any of the hundreds of issues regarding the desktop version. If they provide a desktop version, we would definitely welcome it.


Some of the features on Stack wallet, I found an explanation regarding privacy that all the cryptocurrencies they support are enabled by default[1]. Although I have never tried Stack wallet as an open source wallet, I think it will be a good wallet.

[1]. https://stackwallet.com/index.html#features

Same here and apart from the technical features upgrade, the best thing i like about this wallet is the interface of the unstoppable wallet.
I am using it in the night mode, and it looks awesome  :)



I think if you are using an Unstoppable wallet on your mobile, there is no sense to use it on the desktop too. Although you can login your wallet on multiple devices, but it is better to limit yourself with one device only so that the chances of being hacked or compromised is to a minimum extend. I would not be willing to try a desktop version of this wallet even when they release a more stable version of it.

A cold wallet with offline signing would be a good use.

You shouldn't use the same wallet on multiple devices. Create a new wallet depending on the purpose, instead of keeping all your eggs in one mobile wallet.

If a desktop version becomes available, my usage may change. So don't say it's useless because everyone chooses a wallet differently :)


Each device is not one wallet. Mobile devices and computer or laptop devices are different wallets. If you use one wallet for several devices, for me that is not the right action to maintain security. Meanwhile, wallet security is my top priority and there is no negotiation.

I just have send to my Unstoppable Wallet (iphone; all updates - phone and wallet) a bit of a Bitcoin.
Blockstream telling me all is fine.
Yet the wallet shows non - in fact all the time „synchronizing“ ist at 0%.
Any ideas and tipps?

Cheers & thanks.

If you used the correct address, all you can do it wait for it to synchronize. There are different settings though (Settings > Blockchain Settings > Bitcoin): API is fast, Privacy is slow.

There are some issues with Tor ddos attacks these days, so you can check if Tor settings in your Unstoppable wallet is enabled or disabled.
This could be one of the issues why your wallet is not syncing, but on my side everything worked fine last time I checked.
Note that you can always import seed words from Unstoppable to any other wallet with BIP39 support.

Unstoppable Wallet was very slow with synchronization back when I tested it as well. It's a known "feature". I can't really call it a bug. As long as you sent your coins to the right address and paid enough for a timely confirmation, you have nothing to worry about. And even if you never get your Unstoppable Wallet to work, so what!? It's non-custodial software, and you can import your seed in other clients.  ;)

I have been using Unstoppable wallet for quite sometime now and even with these sync probelms, i still trust this wallet because its open source and reliable. Also with every upgrade this wallet is becoming better and more convienent to use.

Also it never happens that our wallet does not work all the time, if it is, then there may be some issue with the individival person but as an whole i recommened unstoppable wallet for stroing altcoins (if you can't afford the hardware wallet).

Yes... As an open source multi-coin wallet, it is not wrong if we recommend people to use unstoppable as a wallet to store altcoin (if the ability to buy hardware wallets) rather than using other wallets that are not open sources even though they are familiar For them out there.

Using an unstoppable wallet to store bitcoin is also not bad but there are other considerations to be avoided because it is not good multi-coin wallet considering there is a special Bitcoin wallet that is open source and has been proven like an electrum.

The question is not if it's good or bad to store bitcoin in Unstoppable Wallet. It's about the fact that you don't need a multicoin wallet for bitcoin when we have a decent amount of quality standalone bitcoin wallets. The "don't put all your eggs in one basket" applies to this scenario as well. Keep your bitcoin separate from your altcoins and especially the shitcoins. Unstoppable Wallet is a good open-source solution for altcoins because the industry lacks such software. Most of the alternatives are closed-source.

If a wallet is secured and as well as open source, but then it is a bitcoin alone wallet. Is it correct to rate the wallet as more secured than a multicoin decentralized wallet like Unstoppable? If yes, does the presence of altcoins in any way weaken the security architecture of a wallet?

Think of it this way. The more coin support, code, and features a wallet has, the more potential that something can malfunction, have bugs, or be abused because of oversight from the developers. It's not necessarily less secure, but the extra options could present new threats.

Another comparison. Think of any piece of machinery with 3 buttons on it. One, two, or all three of those buttons activating certain functions could break. Now think of a machine with 10 buttons. You now have more potential problems and more functions that can stop working one day.

+1, thanks LoyceV.

For bitcoin, it is always advised to use a bitcoin wallet and never store bitcoin in a multi-coin wallet. Apart from the security point of view, I just keep my precious Bitcoin away from the junk alt-coins  ;) and that is how it should be.
Unstoppable wallet can be one of the best for the altcoin storage but I will never use it to store bitcoin in it.

The safety factor in choosing a wallet to store bitcoin must be numbered. Yes. Multi coin is not the recommended option to store bitcoin because one and more factors are considered, even though they have to use a software wallet to store bitcoin, at least a special bitcoin wallet.

What do you mean by the wallet to be numbered  ???

I know many people will say to use a hardware wallet to store bitcoins (which is recommended too) but if you do not have a hardware wallet better to store bitcoin in bitcoin-only open source software wallet like Electrum and use Unstoppable wallet only for the altcoins.

I think he is trying to say that there are multiple security considerations when choosing a bitcoin wallet. If you use a bitcoin-only wallet, then you know you are dealing with a piece of software where the developers are only focusing on one coin and securing that coin. There are many more features, coin support, and code in multicoin wallets. The developers must focus on much more. One serious mistake could be enough for a skilled adversary to cause a lot of harm to a lot of people. Since there is so much more coding in multicoin wallets, the chances are greater to overlook something.

Even better: learn how to use offline signing. Learn how to do this from a Linux LIVE DVD, and if you do it right, your private keys will never touch the internet.

The only method i know about about offline bitcoin signing is the use of Electrum wallet with tails OS. ( How to Install Tails OS on USB flash drive for Wallet Purpose (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5228801.msg53920999#msg53920999)) and it works perfectly for me. For bitcoin storage, this method is as good as having a hardware wallet.

Is there any other method too ? What is the Linix Live DVD  ?

It is similar like Linux OS on USB, just on DVD disc.
Now please stay on topic of Unstoppable wallet, and don't go off-topic any further.

Warning to everyone using telegram, there is increase of scammers using Unstoppable Wallet name in telegram!
Current version is 0.39 but updated v0.39.1 is coming out soon.
Download Unstoppable wallet only from official sources.

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I have a little query about the upgrade of the Matic token to POL related the Unstoppable wallet. Since I am holding the Matic tokens here, i would like to know if there is any special instructions for us or it will be automatically converted into POL token. The process of conversion has been started as stated here The POL token upgrade is now live on Ethereum mainnet  (https://x.com/0xPolygon/status/1717134336104038580?s=20) and i still see my Matic token in my wallet (not updated to POL yet). Are there any manual steps for us to do ?

https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/pol-ex-matic

I have no idea how that crap token transition works, but you can go in settings of your wallet, and than select Recovery Phrase and Private Keys.
Write that keys on piece of paper (don't show them in public to anyone) and import in some other wallet that support your token.
For more information and help better contact Unstappable wallet support.

https://unstoppable.money/faq

I'm not sure if you have solved this or not yet. But in case you didn't, if you had the tokens sitting on Polygon POS chain, then there is nothing that you need to do. It's done automatically.

If you had your funds on either Polygon zkEVM or Ethereum's ERC20 then you need to migrate. I believe they have a bridge to do so.

If you're in the first category, and you see "MATIC" still, then I would imagine that's because Unstoppable wallet hasn't made the "update" to the token's name. But this is just a guess.

Unstoppable has been a very good wallet but I want to use USDT on Ton blockchain with it which I did not see. I went to blockchain to see if I can import the token but Ton is not among the blockchains listed. There is Ton on Unstoppable wallet but its tokens like USDT and others are not yet there. I do not want to use wallet like Trustwallet for it because it is close source.

Sadly, sometimes you need to compromise if you want to store altcoins or their worse half - shitcoins. If there is no support in open-source and trusted wallets, you are left with holding your alts in an exchange (a bad solution) or compromising and using a closed-source non-custodial wallet (a slightly less bad solution). If I had to make that decision, I would pick the latter.

That is true but Unstoppable wallet is supporting many blockchains. It is supporting Ethereum, Binance Smart Chain, Binance Beacon Chain, Solana, Polygon, Avalanche, Tron, Optimism, Arbitrum, Fantom and Gnosis. Those chains have their own tokens which are many. I think they will soon support Ton soon.

I am not dealing with the altcoins, I use those chains for USDT or USDC. USDT on many exchanges have $0 fee which is the reason I want to use it in addition to other chains that I have already. Optimism is low in fee on exchanges, I will still be using it for frequent transactions.

You can't expect Unstoppable or any other wallet to list new coins/tokens all the time, and you already have a Ton website with list of all supported software and hardware wallets there.
I see someone added new issue/suggestion for adding Ton connect, not sure if that is related or not, but you can add your own if you want:
https://github.com/horizontalsystems/unstoppable-wallet-android/issues/7678

And please keep discussion about altcoins at minimum in this topic if you can.
Thank you.

This has not been solved yet. After reading your post, I checked again and the Matic are on the Polygon Network. So ideally we do not have to do anything but still, i see Matic and not POL. Was there any timeline for this upgrade?


You mean that the "Matic" token name will be changed to POL. I am only concerned that it should happen by now as I would not want to lose my tokens based on that if I had to do anything for this migration and was not aware of it.  ???

This is what I saw about it also:


You do not need to bother yourself.

If you search for Pol on the coin lists on Unstoppable wallet, you will not see Pol on Polygon but you will see Matic on Polygon.

As mentioned above, and as I have said before. You don't need to do anything if the funds were on the Polygon POS network prior to the upgrade.

Unstoppable wallet not showing the ticker's name as "POL" doesn't necessarily mean anything. It could be that they're pulling the names from an outdated source.

If you're that paranoid about the subject, you can always try and send a small amount to an exchange. Your funds should arrive just fine.

Have you updated to the latest version of the ton, that is Version 0.40. In that update, they have integrated the TON ecosystem. I don't have coins in TON network but this TON Jettons Support likely means that TON blockchain in now officially supported? (if i understand this correctly)

Also, they have a telegram mini app that we can use to enhance our cryptocurrency knowledge (though i think there are other better ways to enhance this knowledge other than going on telegram ). However, there is a hint that we will be getting an possible Unstoppable wallet token named UWT. We may earn points for this free airdrop (that may be somewhere in the pipeline) on the telegram group.

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I updated it some days ago when I got the notification to update it but I did not check if TON network has been added. I checked it now and it is true that it has been added. I will be leaving Trustwallet finally for now.

I don't like this new direction Unstoppable wallet is going with telegram mini app, earning uwt tokens, memecoins and other things announced in latest version 0.40.
It's fine if they are doing this to support development but I don't wallet this to turn into Unstoppable shitcoin circus show with ads.

As long as I'm not forced to see it on my screen, I don't mind. Just like the "Swap" button, many wallets have that because they earn from it. I don't trust them, and I'll never use them. It's no surprise most wallets are created with a financial motivation.

so if I received token from taproot address, how to set it appears on this wallet?

If you just setup the wallet, you should be able to see where Unstoppable wallet will give you option to choose BIP84, 86, 49 and 44 for bitcoin. Choose BIP86.

If you do not see it or if you have setup the wallet already and you do not have it like that, you can click on the icon at the top right corner below swap, which is the image below

https://talkimg.com/images/2024/10/14/8tDnD.jpeg

After you click on what that looks like the image above, click on search and search for bitcoin. You will see this:


https://talkimg.com/images/2024/10/14/8tBoc.jpeg


Select BIP86. The address starts from bc1p.

yes already set it at begining

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what i mean is if I received CAT20 brc20 token, is that token automaticly appears on this wallet?

I do not know much about Ordinals and BRC20 tokens, you can wait for other users to post. Probably you can see what you will do. But I know that Unstoppable wallet does not support Ordinals and BRC20 tokens. You need Ordinals and BRC2O wallet for it. The wallet that I know that I have noticed such tokens is Bitget wallet but which is a close source wallet and not recommend. I hope there would be open source wallets for it.

UniSat wallet fulfill your criteria, where it's mainly created to support Ordinal and similar protocol. It support iOS, Android and Chrome-based browser (as extension).

Well, it is optional to join the telegram mini app to get some shares of airdropped UWT token and there is no harm if they launch their token however there is no wording from them that they would be running ads for it in the main wallet. As long as the wallet is clean as it is now, it's nothing of big concern.

Is there a way to add an ethereum address (or "account" as they like to call it)?

You can use multiple bitcoin addresses, but it seems like you're stuck with one ethereum address per seed phrase.  Am I missing some setting, or is that the way Unstoppable Wallet works?

You can create multiple wallet accounts and add any coins you want including ethereum, but that means you will have to generate or import new seed words for each wallet.
It's easy to switch between different wallets, it literally takes a second by clicking in the top left corner.

I had a little bit of funds (ETH and USDT) in an old Altcoin wallet that I wanted to convert to bitcoin so I thought I would goof around with it in Unstoppable Wallet, but I didn't get very far before I was literally stopped in my tracks.  The funds were in a the second ETH address, or "account" or whatever you want to call it.  When I entered the seed phrase in Unstoppable Wallet it only restores the first ETH account.  There's no option to import sub-accounts nor can you import a private key.  Nothing that I was able to find, at least.  The GUI is pretty straight forward, there aren't many options, and I believe I looked thoroughly enough.

They could have done a better job naming those different bitcoin address types. Experienced bitcoiners know what BIP84 and the rest are, but beginners will have no idea how to differentiate the different BIP codes. Just call it native segwit and place the BIP84 tag somewhere close to it. They probably display that information if you click on the info icon, but I think it should always be visible on the screen. 

Import the private key of that second ETH account into Metamask, send the tokens to eXch, and swap them for bitcoin.

No need to import a private key in Metamask, you simply restore the seed and activate as many sub accounts as you like.  In fact, if I wanted to extract the private key, I'd have to restore the seed in Metamask to do so.  I wasn't in a hurry to get the funds exchanged so I used bisq.  I'll have to give eXch a go one of these days, but I've yet to use their service.

Speaking of exchanges, another thing I noticed while I was playing with Unstoppable Wallet; they have an option to link a CEX wallet through APIs, but the only CEX they offer is Binance.  I have multiple reasons not to use Binance, ethical (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5507692.msg64475316#msg64475316) and financial (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5507645.msg64474017#msg64474017) so to me that only counts as yet another strike against Unstoppable Wallet.

True, but if you have any other crypto assets other than Ethereum and Ethereum-based tokens in "accounts" derived from that seed, you decrease the security of all of them by importing the seed in a new hot wallet. By importing only the Ethereum accounts' private key, you won't affect any other assets.

That depends. If you don't have any Ethereum accounts configured through MetaMask, you need to create one. You could import your existing seed or create a brand-new one. After that, you can add new accounts just by importing individual private keys.

Unstoppable wallet 0.41 version is out there and if you haven't updated it, its time to upgrade the wallet. Below are the key features / highlights that are updated in this version. Mostly the sync issues seem to be fixed in this upgrade. Sync issues is always a problem in Unstoppable Wallet but it has improved a lot in recent few updates.

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/11/30/pAaK9.jpeg  https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/11/30/pAUyw.jpeg

After an update I got the same pop-up as posted above, but instead of making Litecoin faster, it's now stuck in February. Newer transactions aren't showing, so I guess I can't make a transaction now either because it uses outdated Blockchain data and my balance is incorrect.

ltc is not working fix it please

I've imported my Unstoppable wallet seed in Electrum-LTC. Note: there's a risk in doing this, so don't do it unless you know what you're getting into. For me, this was okay, as I only have a small amount of LTC and no other coins in Unstoppable. Electrum-LTC shows what I think is the correct balance.

I'm disappointed in Unstoppable: this meant I couldn't make a (small) transaction yesterday when I wasn't at home, which is the only reason I have this wallet. Obviously I didn't bring my seed phrase with me, so I couldn't recover it. And Unstoppable itself allows me to create a backup, but not to export the seed or private keys.
Meanwhile, Unstoppable's LTC server is still stuck somewhere in February.

I think Cake wallet fits better for what you are looking for.
It is also open source software and they support Litecoin better, plus they have advanced privacy feature for Bitcoin called silent payments.
If I am not mistaken they also support mweb addresses for litecoin, that is very good for privacy.

I just checked it, and it looks good at first glance. I may give it a try. Support for Monero is nice, I haven't had that on mobile since Coinomi stopped working.

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Meanwhile, Litecoin is still stuck on Unstoppable Wallet.

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Until you suggested Cake Wallet, I was thinking of just posting an encrypted seed phrase online. I may still do that (while well aware of the risks). I was at the point I considered asking for a LTC loan on Bitcointalk 3 days ago :P

Can you tell exactly why you weren't able to make small transaction? Your unstoppable wallet must be configured on your phone and you wouldn't need a seed phrases to make a transaction. Or you mean you wanted to send LTC and since its not syncing so you could not send it ?


I have come to know about the cake wallet for the first time. So now after your recommendation, i am confused whether to continue using Unstoppable Wallet for altcoins or switch to cake wallet ?

Did you even read the last few posts?
Or just try it for yourself: is Litecoin working for you?

Cake wallet is not perfect but I think it works better than Usntoppable, it has more active developers and whole ecosystem around it.
They are also working with several hardware wallets, so I believe they have more potential.
I tried using it only because of Litecoin MWEB, and I liked what I saw, there is also desktop wallet now.

Be careful, you are entering dangerous waters there, loans are now very high risk in bitcointalk.

This morning I saw an update to Unstoppable Wallet, which fixed the LTC sync issues.

Which update version of Unstoppable Wallet you are talking about here ? I just checked my app, and it is still 0.41 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5436273.msg64796826#msg64796826) and no further update is available.

In that 0.41 version, that was released somewhere in November, they claimed that they have Litecoin Sync boost but that doesn't seem to work properly.

I'm using 0.41.3 on Android.

Update speed can sometimes depends if you are using their app from F-Droid or official g00gle play and app store.
You can always check the latest version on unstoppable github release page, and 0.41.3 was the last one released:
https://github.com/horizontalsystems/unstoppable-wallet-android/releases

People seem reluctant to open Unstoppable github to check the latest unstoppable wallet release because they can get notifications through the mobile used. For example Android users.
Not for all I addressed this because there are also some of the users who pay attention to the release of the latest version of Unstoppable Wallet from Github Unstoppable.

Version 0.41.3 was released 3 weeks ago and not many things were updated, only Fixed Transaction Sync for Litecoin. Maybe the latest release of Unstoppable Wallet in the future is also the same that is not many items are updated.

Version 0.42.0 has been released.

https://github.com/horizontalsystems/unstoppable-wallet-android/releases

What do you think about the premium? That will require you to pay money?

This is the billing in my country:


https://talkimg.com/images/2025/03/17/0BSac.jpeg


With conversion of 1541 naira to a dollar, that should be almost $26 for monthly offer and $212 for annual offer. Not compulsory. You can still use duress mode without the subscription but you can not edit your password. I can easily create a new wallet and set dress mode. It can be stressful but you can do it instead if you like.


These are the premium offers which you can see if you click on the above link:

https://talkimg.com/images/2025/03/17/0BnLq.jpeg   https://talkimg.com/images/2025/03/17/0BCqj.jpeg


What do you think about the premium and the premium offers?



What I like about the update:


I noticed this when I wanted to send bitcoin just now which let me check for the recent update. I think the new security feature is good. Also that those altcoins dust transactions will no more be seen. But I am referring to checking blacklisted addresses to let people know about the address before sending coins to such addresses. Is it good?

I get that they want to earn money, but I can hardly imagine anyone would pay that much for a mobile wallet. I wouldn't even keep $200 in a mobile wallet.
I guess I'm not the target audience for these "premium features". I wouldn't want them in my wallet if they're free.

It's still not working the way it should: it takes hours for confirmed Litecoin transactions (sending and receiving) to show up in Unstoppable wallet.

I also think it is expensive. And also not necessary for me. What that is important to me there is the duress mode which I can use without the premium. I have not even thought to edit the password before. If there is any need, I can easily set up the wallets again as I only have just two wallets there.

I noticed the synchronization was fast for litecoin unlike before but I did not have any coins on it right now. I have used the wallet to send litecoin before, it was very frustrating and it takes hours after 2 failed attempts. I noticed the synchronizing issue when you open the wallet is worse but sending coins is worst. I do not have any litecoin right now, but when I have it, I will test it out also but I am certain that you will be right. I hope all will be fixed.

I don't really see the point in having a "duress mode": that suggest you keep a high value in your wallet, which doesn't make sense for a hot wallet.

I'm in the same boat as LoyceV on this one... I'd rather pay half of its annual cost and get a decent hardware wallet than pay for a mobile wallet with subscription plans that may or may not come in handy!
^{- FWIW, I didn't like the wording used that describes their scam protection feature (effective)... It intentionally/unintentionally gives more confidence to certain types of users!}

It can be both good and bad... In theory, those cross-checks could protect you to a certain extent if you're someone who regularly uses centralized platforms, but in practice, it doesn't always work ^{[it heavily depends on if the sources that they're using are the same as the source that centralized platforms use and unfortunately, some of these sources have a habit of flagging addresses for unethical reasons]}!

I downloaded this wallet, but if I try to swap it says "no providers", is the function working? Thanks

Let me use bitcoin to explain
Do not let it confuse you.

If you click on bitcoin, you will see this:

https://talkimg.com/images/2025/03/20/0WmpP.jpeg

You can see that there is no swap button.

On the GUI, you will see the swap button at the right side beside 'receive'

https://talkimg.com/images/2025/03/20/0WMJc.jpeg

If you click on it, you will be able to click on bitcoin for swapping but no swapping provider is available.


Compare it with ETH:

https://talkimg.com/images/2025/03/20/0WPSq.jpeg


You can see the swapping icon there, unlike bitcoin. That can be easily known which coin you can be able to swap or not.

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Also you see that the wallet displayed it that no provider for swapping coin like bitcoin.

https://talkimg.com/images/2025/03/20/0WzXD.jpeg

I hope something will be done about it later in a way you will not need to only be able to swap coins and its tokens but swapping coins to coins. It is available on some wallet but which I can not recommend.

Today when I opened the Unstopabble app (which doesn't have any wallets created), I saw the banner highlighted in the app's settings.

The features that caught my attention the most were:

Advanced Search - Discover Trending Tokens

Track Trends - Trade Smarter, Profit Faster.

In other words, the wallet starts sending you insights or signals about tokens that are appreciating/depreciating at the "best time" according to them? So is this a feature designed for those who like to trade? Has anyone who has tried the premium features seen any increase in their investment profits with this?

I'm a bit skeptical about the effectiveness and quality of these premium features, and I wouldn't be willing to pay the price they ask for the subscription. But I'm willing to hear opinions from those who have decided to take the plunge and test whether it's really worth it.

I don't think paying for a subscription to a hotwallet is worth it.

Edit: I don't like using wallets with UI pollution, e.g:

- Support for shitcoins (which besides taking up developers' time in developing the wallet for multiple-coins, can open security holes in the code for one or all of them).

- Exchange swap features: This damn button is usually next to or in the middle of the functions: send, receive, etc. Now, if I want to exchange a coin, there should be a specific window/option for that, without polluting the UI. I hardly ever do swaps, and when I do, I never do it through a wallet, so why insist on putting the damn button next to the essential functions?

- In my opinion, a wallet should be simple, in the sense of: having a UI with the main functions: transaction history, send, receive.

But also containing "advanced" functions, exactly like work on Electrum, Bitcoin Core, Sparrow, Wasabi/Gingerwallet

We'll use Ledger Live as an example, that trash is full of graphic pollution, most of it being shitcoin resources, even though I'm an "old monkey" with years of experience, I feel lost when using it. Trezor with its graphical interface (Suite) already has a cleaner and more pleasant UI and with advanced resources, even though it's not ideal.

Maybe it would be a good idea to open a topic just to discuss these points.

Well, by now, we already know that version 0.42 is out, and this time, there are a lot of changes being claimed by the Unstoppable Wallet. I have tried to present it exactly as it appears on the app. The premium subscription option doesn't attract me as it suits more to those who are active traders and want to swap coins more often.

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Is sending funds to "blacklisted addresses" really a thing? Even if that exists, it's trivially easy for any scammer to create a new Bitcoin address. It sounds more like scaring people into buying this subscription.

I don't think anyone can keep up with scammers creating new addresses, but this thing with blacklisted addresses is getting crazy.
Nobody knows what algorithms are used for this, and nobody can see any list of blacklisted addresses with more information.
That means that literally any exchange or service can for any reason blacklist any address they want.  :P

It's a business model: sell the notion of taint, so exchanges will have to buy your "services".

So here is the thing, I got some partial profits from the BTC current upward movement and now i have transferred those USDT in my unstoppable wallet. The reason is that i feel it is the best wallet to store altcoins including stable coins. (better than the popular one, Trust wallet). Now i need your guidance on how to further protect the wallet so funds are safe at Unstoppable.

Making different wallets and splitting the funds between them would help ? (as every new wallet have a separate seed phrase).

Can we have a customized seed phrases too as i have some BTC still in my electrum wallet where there is the option of extending the seed phrases.

It depends on a few things... If you're going to do those things by using only a single device, it'll only give you a false sense of security ^{[it heavily depends on how secure that device is (the more devices, the better)]}.

Yes, you can also extend your seed phrase on Unstoppable:
^{Note: It's not recommended to import your seed phrase from one wallet into another one (regardless of whether it's supported or not).}

Create a new wallet > Advanced > enable Passphrase option > Type your passphrase and confirm.

Thats a great help. Another thing when i create a new wallet why it is saying "recommended" on the 12-word passphrase? Isn't the 24-word passphrase is more secure and shouldn't they recommend that  ??? or it is better to to create 12 words recovery phrase along with an extended passphrase?

https://i.ibb.co/Vczv0gWg/passphrase.jpg

Even though a 12-word seed phrase provides 128 bits of entropy ^{[as opposed to 256 bits on a 24-word seed phrase]}, it provides sufficient security in the real world ^{[it's like adding a bullet-proof window to a car that already has a bullet-proof window (little to no differences)]}. The recommended label is probably due to the fact that it's easier to properly back it up without messing up the order ^{[a 12-word seed phrase with a passphrase is more than enough]}.

I recollected the case  (https://cybersecuritynews.com/trust-wallet-browser-extension-flaw/)with the Trust Wallet browser extension, where weak PRNG led to a serious vulnerability, namely, hackers were able to exploit this flaw and steal users' funds due to poor SEED generation.

Since no one can predict which wallet may expose the flaw in SEED generation, adding a custom SEED extension with an extra phrase would provide the additional layer of security for your wallet.

Personally, I always use a passphrases to extend SEEDs on all my wallets and strongly recommend everyone do the same.

Although I've already used it in some hardware wallets, I always use seed phrases of 12 mnemonic words, as explained by some here, you don't need more than that, and I can also add a passphrase BIP-39 to increase the level of security according to the size and complexity of the passphrase.

Moreover, 12 words is easier if someone wants to memorize them (never forget to make physical backups, memorizing the mnemonic is just a plus).

The passphrase is very important, because even if the generated seed has low entropy, I can increase the security of the mnemonic by extending it using passphrase.

For passphrase generation, I recommend using 6 random words or more. Random words of 6 words have, for example, the same entropy as a password like "#\KL`@cZ3W*-", I usually think that 8 or more is great.

Do not trust your brain to remember the 12 words phrases and not writing them down somewhere. There are many chances that one may forget all or any word of the phrases and you will be deprived of your money stored in that wallet. DO NOT TAKE THAT RISK.

Secondly, when you extend the phrases, it is better to add three to four easy words rather than complex words with special characters etc. Easy English words will do the purpose. Keep the things as simple as possible.

If seeds are created with low entropy then bruteforcing would require less time and the passphrase may not be just enough to stop the attack unless we are talking about a long sentence used as the 13th word. But I don't recommend either of these practices, it's better use the wallet itself to create the valid phrase whether it's Bip39 or others and the extra word can be something that you can remember easily, so it's better to be 8 characters than 8 words. ;)

But I didn't say just memorize the 12-word mnemonic phrase. You can absolutely memorize the mnemonic phrase and keep the backups written down offline in safe places, one doesn't exclude the other. Backup redundancy is always important:

1 - Write down the mnemonic phrase on a piece of paper (or steel plates for greater durability).
2 - Write down the passphrase somewhere else offline, in a separate offline location away from the mnemonic phrase, because if an attacker finds your mnemonic phrase, but your funds are protected by a hidden wallet generated by the passphrase, he will not be able to steal from you.
3 - Make copies of the backup (if in digital format, make sure to encrypt it).

Extending the seed, extra word = BIP39 passphrase, they're the same thing.  ;)
I recommend reading this informative guide [https://www.useapassphrase.com/] to better understand the use of passphrases.

Maybe I wasn't clear enough. I am pointing out that the low entropy of a seed and extending a low entropy seed with a strong 13th word is not a substitute. So, I was saying it's better to pick random seeds created using the tools designed for it instead of picking on our own since we are prone to making choices that are easy for the computer to crack.

BTW, thanks for the link. :-*

Yes, security is never too much, this was just an example of how a passphrase makes a big difference to security.

It's not that I'm recommending creating a low-entropy seed with repeated words, for example: "bacon bacon bacon (12x)" and compensating the security with a strong passphrase.

However, a wallet protected by a passphrase is a new wallet (new set of keys) compared to a wallet with an empty passphrase, so if I create a wallet with a 128-bit passphrase, I would generate a new wallet with 128 bits of entropy.

is it only on phones? why there is no web style?

Yes, it's available for mobile phones and tablets ^{[for now]}... Web wallets aren't that secure ^{[only use them for insignificant amounts]}!
^{- As a workaround, you can also use Unstoppable wallet on your desktop, but you must rely on an Android emulator to be safe & secure (not recommended).}

The recommendation is not for a passphrase. It's for the seed/recovery phrase. 12-word seed phrases provide you with 128 bits of entropy. 24-word seed phrases give you 256 bits on entropy. It's easy to see that the security is greater with the latter. However, bitcoin private keys only have 128 bits of entropy. If those ever become vulnerable, Bitcoin is already doomed to fail despite some wallets providing 256 bits on entropy. 

I have noticed this since a long time on Unstoppable wallet. I waited to know if there will be any changes but I did not see any changes till now.

Cancel transaction is still good but to increase the fee to doublespend a coin is affected. If you want to increase the fee, it will display 'unable to replace'


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I used 1 sat/vbyte which was 110 sat as fee, but I wanted to increase it to 220 sat and later 330 sat, but you see the error it displayed.

This has been happening for a long time and it has been since I wanted to increase the fee on Unstoppable wallet some months ago. Cancel transaction is not affected but just to bump fee part of it that is going the error.

Another thing is that people will prefer increase in the fee to be in the fee rate which is sat/vbyte than to be in sat or bitcoin. The fee is set in sat/vbyte while making the transaction, then why change it when someone wants to increase the fee or make use of cancel transaction.

In other words, replacing an older transaction in Unstoppable Wallet with a new one that pays more in fees currently doesn't work.

You must definitely have an option to enter how much you wish to pay in sats per vByte and not in total. Each transaction is different, depending on the number of inputs & outputs, addresses, and scripts. It makes no sense to have the user enter the total transaction fee amount instead of using the same approach that other wallets use. Weird choice they made there.

What happens if you press the info logo located above the line where you entered your fees? Does it display any additional information, like sats/vByte?
Have you checked the settings for a way to change this?

Exactly. I also tried it on another device but still not working.

I pressed everywhere but nothing happened. If I have coins on then wallet again, I will do that to know the information it displayed but I am sure that I pressed on it and not about changing it to fee rate instead of fee.

Yes I checked it.

The fee is in sat/vbyte when broadcasting a new transaction, but the fee is in sat when you want to bump the fee or cancel the transaction.

I also noticed another error while making use of two devices for the same wallet, if you make use of another device to broadcast a transaction, the other device balance may later not correct as it will not include the transaction as spent.

Synchronization issues is something I noticed with Unstoppable Wallet the first time I tested it and it immediately gave me bad vibes and I didn't like it. This is again something related to the wallet not syncing properly. Does the problem at least get fixed after the transaction confirms on the blockchain or after a restart of the app or do the wrong balances remain for a lengthier time?

It was not fixed at all. Although, after some weeks, it later got fixed on the second device but not fixed on the first device. This is it:

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2025/06/15/UdiZua.jpeg

The wallet has zero balance and not £72.7.

If it happens that 128-bit entropy becomes vulnerable.
Bitcoin is not the only thing that's doomed to fail.  The bank system, e-commerce, and communication activities will be affected too. However, the quantum computer that has the potential to do so will take at least 50 years to be developed, and I believe the government dont want to see that happen.

For LTC, I've had sync problems since October 2023 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5436273.msg62928311#msg62928311). It's been working correctly on and off, which makes it unreliable. For this reason, I finally uninstalled Unstoppable wallet. It doesn't do the name justice.

It seems the sync problems have been there for a while now. I thought it could be because of the network/internet connection, so the wallet couldn't sync properly. When I ran the Bitcoin node, it needed to download the blocks to get updated. At first, I thought Unstoppable Wallet did something similar to get updated with the network. But if I am not wrong, the wallet does not need to download the blocks, unlike the nodes. All it needed was to get some information from the blockchain and update the wallet balance. I'm unsure if this is too hard for the developers to fix. The sync issue seems to be the known one.

I wouldn't like to speculate how much time would be needed to develop a quantum computer that is strong enough to break modern encryption. 10 years ago, no one would have told you how far we would get with AI and look where we are now. Can you imagine how it will look 10 years from now?

Many industries would be affected. That is true. But I think the centralized banking industry would have an easier time adopting a quantum-resistant algorithm than the decentralized Bitcoin. God forbid that we will have five equally good solutions and we as a community would have to pick one. It's more likely that we would get two new forks and new splits in the community than a majority vote for one solution.

When altcoins developers are building quantum resistant algorithm, so why would it take bitcoin developers to build one? You mean as it can lead to hard fork?

You can be right about this but we can only speculate. It is also very possible that there will not be hard fork relating to this but what I think might cause hardfork later might be what caused it in the past like after a quantum resistant algorithm, some people may need hardfork for cheaper transaction. If the quantum resistant algorithm is still more about how segwit is right now in fee or having lower fee, there may not be any problem. Also this is just a speculation.

Many altcoin projects are centralized or not as nearly decentralized as Bitcoin. You often have a leader, owner, a president or CEO that calls the shots. Sometimes you have a foundation or a council that makes the decisions. With all that it's easier to make a decision. If you have one or a handful of individuals who will make the decision about what direction to take.

With Bitcoin, you don't have that one person or a small group that will lead everyone. Many more interested parties are involved. Significant decisions made about the future need a majority vote in favor to be implemented. That's why it's much more difficult to make changes and introduce new features into Bitcoin. We must remain optimistic that egos will be put aside when it is time to make a decision that impacts everyone and everything. Especially if it's a decision that could signal the end of Bitcoin if we don't get it right.

Yes, it is hard to speculate how much time or years it will take before the quantum computer that can break entropy, but it is easier for the decentralized Bitcoin ecosystem to adopt quantum resistant algorithm.
According to the information I once read by Quside, the platform that developed new generation quantum technologies for connectivity and efficient computation.  There's already a team working on quantum cryptography (like code based cryptography, lattice based cryptography) and post-quantum cryptography, which are said to be classical algorithms to combat quantum decryption, so I don't see any reason why it will be hard to have the creation of quantum resistant algorithms in Bitcoin.

You are talking about the creation of quantum-resistant algorithms but I am talking about a different thing: adopting and implementing that algorithm in Bitcoin.

It's not as easy as saying we created this quantum-resistant algorithm and tomorrow we are merging it into Bitcoin. That's not how it works. You are going to see BIPs with proposals to introduce the new schemes. Developers will have to review it, test it, get community feedback. Bugs and vulnerabilities would have to be looked for and corrected. All this can take a long time. Remember Segwit, the blocksize wars, and the aftermath? Remember Taproot and how long that took?

A decision has to be made if the new algorithm will be introduced through a soft or hard fork. Either way, there will be new addresses and scripts and changes to signatures. Everyone will have to move their coins from previous quantum-vulnerable scripts to the new quantum-resistant one. The bigger the change, the more drama, fighting, and resistance you can expect. Again, think back to the Segwit and Bitcoin Cash days.

And then all of the software we use with Bitcoin has to be updated to support the new quantum-safe scheme and new address format. That goes for nodes, miners, exchanges, etc.

Ok. Now I understand your stance. However, Bitcoin functions normally in a world with powerful quantum computers with no drawback, but the computer can be used in mining to increase the chance of finding a block early if used the Grover’s algorithm.

The computer is actually not a threat to Bitcoin, but it's a threat to the entropy used in creating the Bitcoin wallet we used, particularly those whose public key is already exposed online. Quantum computers can be used in the future to derive private keys from public keys and this is why the vulnerabilities need to be addressed ahead of time. Imagining someone stealing the Bitcoin you accumulated for years in one day?

About the decision to be made, I believe what we'll likely see is a soft fork for the implementation of quantum-resistant signature algorithm.

I never had any sync issues , maybe because I store coins which have no sync issues in Unstoppable. I heard LTC having sync issues (I don't have litecoins), and also I don't use Unstoppable for Bitcoin. For Ethereum, Solana and most of the Ethereum and Solana-based altcoins, there are no issues at all in this wallet.


So, which wallet do you use these days for altcoins and especially what is the best wallet for stablecoins (USDT / USDC) ?

My main solution: I don't use altcoins :P I still have dust amounts in LTC's Electrum clone, and Feather Wallet for XMR, but those are on desktop.

I've never used them so can't tell you this.

It might be considered slightly off-topic but since it's in relation to Unstoppable Wallet it could pass. Consider the blockchains of those stablecoins you want to use. If it's Ethereum or an L2 like Avalanche, Arbitrum, BSC, Polygon, etc., why not stay with MetaMask? If you are engaging with the expensive Tron network, you can try TronLink Pro. Both recommendations are for mobile wallets just so we are clear.

Keep an eye on next update of Unstoppable wallet, they are adding support for Monero soon.
They also announced more updates in future to enable anonymous swaps between Bitcoin, Monero and other coins.
It is good to have competition with Cake wallet and give people options to choose what they like more.

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2025/07/08/UwrvnG.jpeg
https://unstoppable.money/

Not only that but according to their announcement[1] they're also releasing the first Monero SDKs for both Android (Kotlin) as well as iOS. This means that going forward, implementing XMR in mobile apps is not going to be as complicated as before.

[1] https://t.me/unstoppable_announcements/380

 

That is cool, but most people won't notice what is happening in the background.
I am more interested to see their new upcoming private cross-chain swaps.
They are claiming No KYC and No middlemen, but let's see if they can actually deliver this.

The only thing that concerns me if they will be able add support from Monero seamlessly without the users facing the sync issues. We have seen that they still not be able to resolve the LTC syncing issue despite claiming in lot of updates that these issues have been resolved. I hope we do not face any such issues when they add XMR.
Even the other privacy coin ZEC (Zcash) takes considerably more time syncing  ???

Litecoin synchronizing issue has been fixed but another problem that I encountered while using the wallet was when I sent litecoin to another address. I think I have posted this on this thread before and it was before the synchronizing issue was fixed. I clicked on send, the transaction was pending for minutes or hours and the transaction dropped. I clicked on max again and sent the coin but the same thing happened. It was the third time that I was able to send the coins at the time but it look time. It was very frustrating. I hardly have altcoins except stable coins, which is the reason I do not know if the issue will still occur or not. But as for the synchronizing issue for litecoin, it is now better.

Cake wallet improved syncing for monero and it's much faster now, so I expect something similar with Unstoppable wallet.
They had issues in past that made me switch to Cake wallet, but with upcoming updates I will try Unstoppable again.

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Another interesting update for Unstoppable wallet, they just added integrated NYM VPN inside wallet settings, and there is exclusive discount from the app.

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2025/07/18/UAItSw.jpeg

So it looks like you can now do cross chain swaps within the wallet: https://t.me/unstoppable_announcements/383

They're simply using Thorchain just like some of the other wallet providers out there (Trustwallet, Ledger, OneKey, etc.)

I didn't test this new swapping feature with Unstoppable, but they are probably charging some additional fee for this service.
We could simply use Thorchain directly, but real gamechanger with Untoppable wallet should be addition of monero, that coin is not yet supported on Thorchain as far as I know.

PS
I love Unstoppable proposal for new EURO banknote  :D

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2025/07/19/UAvIgW.jpeg

Another $10 discount on top of NYM's current early bird promos is great, but despite updating mine to the latest version ^[v0.43.2], the Nym VPN part is missing in the privacy section. Can you confirm this part is appearing on your side?

I did not see Nym VPN in the privacy section.

What does Nym VPN means? Will Tor not be better if it is privacy?

I noticed the sanctions list checker is no more available for non premium members. Are there people that will even want to make use of it? I can not be part of them.

Unstoppable wallet developers should add more to their list of local currencies.

If you're also an Android user, this confirms it's going to come in a future update ^{[thank you for checking it out]}.

According to Google's AI Overview, "NYM is derived from the concept of a pseudonym", but I couldn't find anything about it on their website.
Concerning the latter part, the following blog posts explain each of their vulnerabilities:
- NymVPN v VPNs v Tor v I2P v dVPNs: How do they compare? (https://nym.com/blog/nymvpn-v-vpns-v-tor-v-i2p-v-dvpns)
- See how NymVPN compares (https://nym.com/blog/what-is-nymvpn#see-how-nymvpn-compares)

I prefer not to use such things since their accuracy heavily depends on matching sources between platforms.

A new update has been pushed a couple of days ago with UI redesign and most importantly, Monero support. Users can also connect to their own nodes. More features (for monero users) are coming soon: https://x.com/unstoppablebyhs/status/1957441352289165460

It also looks like the wallet has started to implement DEXes, bridges, Defi for earning, etc. so I would imagine that those things would help fund the project even further.

It is good they finally added support for Monero, but I think it is just basic support for now, and if I am not mistaken you can only use one monero address per account.
I also don't see monero is listed in their swap exchange service, and I they should certainly add it if they can.
There is no more syncing issues for most coins, including for monero.