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Title: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: bisdak40 on October 03, 2023, 01:52:13 AM
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After that devastating loss to Tank Davis, Ryan Garcia will be back in action tentatively on December 2 against Oscar Duarte.

The fight will be @140lbs, so i think Garcia is comfortable at this weight and hoping he will bounce back strong.

Oscar Duarte has an impressive record of 26-1-1, with 21 of his opponents got KOed so i think he is a live opponent for Garcia.

https://www.boxingscene.com/ryan-garcia-oscar-duarte-set-december-2-san-antonio--178184


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: Japinat on October 03, 2023, 09:59:59 AM
I went through the record (https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/671857) of his opponent, and I find it very impressive.

After his first loss in 2019 against Adrian Estrella, he was already on a winning streak until May 2023. I find this impressive because all of his wins did not go to the judges' scorecards, meaning this boxer has power, which I think would really match Ryan Garcia.

Judging by his record and Ryan's, I expect that this fight is going to be a war, a toe-to-toe battle where only one man is left standing in the end. A KO is likely to happen, and as for who would win, I don't know, but most likely it's Ryan (hopefully).


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: btc_angela on October 03, 2023, 11:04:12 AM
Ok, so this is his opponent, I read from last week that they will have a new opponent for him but I must admit that his name doesn't sound anything to me. Maybe he had as good record of sort and climbing in the ranks. But I guess this is just a tune up for Ryan, just to get his mind going and forget about his lost to Tank Davis.

Just remember though that he is under Derrick James and he has back to back loses from big fights, Spence and Charlo.

Perhaps this could be redemption time for Ryan and for his trainer/coach as well.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: danherbias07 on October 03, 2023, 11:17:34 AM
Another tough fight for Ryan Garcia.
Oscar Duarte is a power puncher too. His last 11 fights are either KO or TKO. I think Ryan will need a big preparation before he battles this man.
34 years old against 25 years old, a large gap in age but I don't think it will matter for the older boxer because he had been putting his opponents down in the mat.

But if Ryan Garcia can win this, he will get his name back on track.
It's true, I think this is the weight that he is more confident in and the perfect one for him. 140 lbs. Defeating Duarte might shoot his rank up and give him a chance for a title match in his next few fights. But he needs to win again.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: robelneo on October 03, 2023, 11:23:47 AM
Ok, so this is his opponent, I read from last week that they will have a new opponent for him but I must admit that his name doesn't sound anything to me. Maybe he had as good record of sort and climbing in the ranks. But I guess this is just a tune up for Ryan, just to get his mind going and forget about his lost to Tank Davis.

Just remember though that he is under Derrick James and he has back to back loses from big fights, Spence and Charlo.

Perhaps this could be redemption time for Ryan and for his trainer/coach as well.

Ryan Garcia needs to redeem himself and this could be the fight that will put him back in the spotlight fighting a boxer with a good record even though an unknown one, I've checked his highlights and record 10 straight knockouts, although his opponents are all unknown if you're a decent fighter with a decent power its easy to inflate your records fighting so so boxers, unfortunately for Duarte, this could be an end to achieving knockouts as Ryan is a hungry fighter now and a more experience now, Ryan needs an impressive win short of a knockout so he can continue his journey, a loss could be the end of his journey.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: Yogee on October 03, 2023, 11:32:25 AM
The fight will be @140lbs, so i think Garcia is comfortable at this weight
He probably is since it's less weight cut unlike his previous fight with Tank. Is there a stipulation that would physically affect fighters like the rehydration clause? I hope not so both of them could be at their potential best come fight night.

It would be nice to get in as soon as possible as I think Garcia would open up a slight favorite but that could quickly change making Duarte a huge underdog.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: coin-investor on October 03, 2023, 12:16:04 PM


Oscar Duarte has an impressive record of 26-1-1, with 21 of his opponents got KOed so i think he is a live opponent for Garcia.

Pretty good record but not convincing enough to challenge Ryan's power and speed, Duarte was never challenged because he has fought patsies who just stand there to get hit but still the kind of guy Ryan needs for a good come back his current trainer Derrick James has a 0-2 big fights just this year, I hope he will not carry Garcia down.

Garcia needs to impress the boxing community and he needs a knockout to get him back on track there are too many good prospects in the 140, Prograis. Romero and Lopez are fighters who can give a good fight he needs to win this before he can dare these fighters to face him, of course, you need something to brag about before challenging champions.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: Yaunfitda on October 03, 2023, 12:38:51 PM
The fight will be @140lbs, so i think Garcia is comfortable at this weight
He probably is since it's less weight cut unlike his previous fight with Tank. Is there a stipulation that would physically affect fighters like the rehydration clause? I hope not so both of them could be at their potential best come fight night.

It would be nice to get in as soon as possible as I think Garcia would open up a slight favorite but that could quickly change making Duarte a huge underdog.
I don't think that there is such stipulation in this fight. Ryan Garcia is the A-side here, if there is one that will put this kind of ridiculous clause it will be him. But I doubt that he will do that because he doesn't want the boxing community that he won because of this rehydration clause.

So it's a straight up 140 lbs limit and then they can rehydrate both to maybe as high as 150 lbs during the fight night and nothing will change. But I do agree that it's a tough fight for him. But Ryan should take care of Duarte here, and hopefully the experience he got from the Davis fight is good enough for him to overcome adversaries if there will be one in this fight.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: Natalim on October 03, 2023, 01:20:36 PM
Finally, a fighter who matches the style of Ryan Garcia. When Garcia fought Tank Davis, he showed his limitations to the public. With his opponent Oscar Duarte, I think he'll be able to match up well, and most likely, he will dominate again.

I hope to see him bounce back, as it was reported before his fight with Tank Davis that he had faced a mental problem. Maybe that problem came back when he was defeated via KO by Tank Davis. So, this upcoming fight of his is really interesting, as we will find out if he is still the same guy.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: yazher on October 03, 2023, 01:40:10 PM
Honestly, this looks like a hard fight for Ryan Garcia because, after his loss to Davis, he really needs to train even more and go into intensive training so that next time he won't have any problem taking huge power punches from his opponent. especially when you need to fight someone with this record and with that knockout percentage, surely he will take some knockout punches and he surely needs to tank a couple of those, or else he will suffer the same fate as he suffered on Davis before.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: aioc on October 03, 2023, 01:58:55 PM
It's a cherry-picked fight, Ryan's promotion is good in picking the right opponent, and a good record but is beatable by Garcia, they need to get Ryan on top again he holds the best record in PPV, and he is still a crowd drawer even though he has no legitimate title in his name.

Ryan has everything the social media king, a crowd drawer but his team failed to convert his success in boxing, I have doubts about Derrick James' as a trainer two successive losses in a big fight are not good in Ryan's campaign.

I'm sure he will beat Duarte but he needs to show something different, we need a hungry and obsessive Ryan and hopefully we'll see it in this fight.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: FinneysTrueVision on October 03, 2023, 08:51:29 PM
I'm not too familiar with Duarte but his record looks good. He's fought decent opponents and has a high knockout percentage. He is coming off a knockout loss so I don't consider this a cherry pick. They could have chosen someone with more losses and less power. This is the kind of test that Ryan Garcia needs before he can fight another champion. There's no doubt Garcia will be the favorite but if the odds are too lopsided that it isn't very profitable to bet on him then it becomes really tempting to pick the underdog.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: AmoreJaz on October 03, 2023, 09:01:17 PM
It's a cherry-picked fight, Ryan's promotion is good in picking the right opponent, and a good record but is beatable by Garcia, they need to get Ryan on top again he holds the best record in PPV, and he is still a crowd drawer even though he has no legitimate title in his name.

Ryan has everything the social media king, a crowd drawer but his team failed to convert his success in boxing, I have doubts about Derrick James' as a trainer two successive losses in a big fight are not good in Ryan's campaign.

I'm sure he will beat Duarte but he needs to show something different, we need a hungry and obsessive Ryan and hopefully we'll see it in this fight.


garcia should not take this fight for granted even if it seems cherry-picked. he needs to finish the fight as soon as possible. even if the name of duarte is not that popular, but it seems that his record is a good one. if upset will happen on this one, garcia would have hard time finding the next good fight for him. duarte has high percentage of KO wins as well. so for me, this is no easy fight for garcia.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: rhomelmabini on October 03, 2023, 09:29:26 PM
I went through the record (https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/671857) of his opponent, and I find it very impressive.

After his first loss in 2019 against Adrian Estrella, he was already on a winning streak until May 2023. I find this impressive because all of his wins did not go to the judges' scorecards, meaning this boxer has power, which I think would really match Ryan Garcia.

Judging by his record and Ryan's, I expect that this fight is going to be a war, a toe-to-toe battle where only one man is left standing in the end. A KO is likely to happen, and as for who would win, I don't know, but most likely it's Ryan (hopefully).
Wow, that's an impressive record to be honest, he may not be known but likely he wants to be known and that's his job if he can take down Garcia. I know Garcia will be the favorite here but it's a tough job for Garcia as well in my opinion considering his lost to Davis would still have that effect on how he fights now. Well, I think Garcia may need to bounce back but I guess I'll favor with Duarte in this fight.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: TravelMug on October 04, 2023, 01:48:53 AM
For those who said that Oscar Duarte's record is impressive, yes it is. But you have to take a look at the quality of his opponents. His fights are mostly in Mexico, and most of his opponents have worst win-lost records. So obviously what he face in Mexico is what other boxing pundits call "cab drivers". They are pitted against Duarte to pad his record and to look like he is really have that kind of power. So for me, this is win-win situation for Ryan, in paper his opponents looks like a knockout artist, but I'm seeing that Ryan will win here by an impressive knockout and bring back his confidence again in the ring. This seems to be just a tune up and cherry pick fight, obviously, after that devastating lost to Tank Davis, he will have to start from scratch and restore his self-esteem again to be called "King" Ry.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: OgNasty on October 04, 2023, 02:07:20 AM
With all the hype surrounding Ryan Garcia and his last embarrassing loss to Tank Davis, the pressure is definitely on him to rebound and get himself a big win. Two losses in a row for a guy that everyone was claiming was going to be the next great thing would be pretty bad for his career. Let’s hope it doesn’t come to that.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: Kemarit on October 04, 2023, 02:51:39 AM
With all the hype surrounding Ryan Garcia and his last embarrassing loss to Tank Davis, the pressure is definitely on him to rebound and get himself a big win. Two losses in a row for a guy that everyone was claiming was going to be the next great thing would be pretty bad for his career. Let’s hope it doesn’t come to that.

That is true, although the pressure if not that high if he is facing a fighter like the caliber of Oscar Duarte. No offense to Oscar, his record is very impressive at 26-1-1 with 21 coming via knockout. But I do agree with the observation of others, this is a cherry pick fight and hopefully it will not turn bad to Ryan Garcia otherwise it might take years to recover if he losses to someone like a B-fighter in Duarte. And who knows, maybe if he losses here then he could go on another depression and mental struggles and perhaps this time it will be hard for him to overcome it. I'm seeing another Campbell fight for Ryan, he might struggle a bit but once he found his range he could score a lightning fast knockout, maybe rounds 5-8. And I'm seeing here Ryan to be the outstanding favorite regardless of what record Oscar Duarte has.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: FinneysTrueVision on October 04, 2023, 03:31:18 AM
With all the hype surrounding Ryan Garcia and his last embarrassing loss to Tank Davis, the pressure is definitely on him to rebound and get himself a big win. Two losses in a row for a guy that everyone was claiming was going to be the next great thing would be pretty bad for his career. Let’s hope it doesn’t come to that.

He may have been marketed as the next big thing but most fans are well aware of his limitations. The hype surrounding him is based more on his popularity than his talent. Golden Boy is going to match him carefully until they can cash out on him right before his contract expires. It'll be interesting to see if he can win impressively and remain a PPV attraction or if he will get exposed by one of these fringe contenders like Duarte before he is even able to challenge another champion.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: Fundamentals Of on October 04, 2023, 03:45:47 AM
The complete name is Oscar Duarte Jurado. I think it's Jurado and not Duarte that's his family name.

I like the new opponent of Ryan Garcia. Even though he is not really one of the stars at 140, he has a good record. Garcia is definitely his biggest fight but it looks like he's well prepared for it. He has been doing good in his professional career. His only loss was even just a split decision. It could be given to him. So he's almost undefeated.

But I'm surprised when I checked the early odds at oddschecker. Garcia is 1.17 favorite and Jurado is 5.0 underdog. I might risk my money with Jurado.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: bisdak40 on October 04, 2023, 04:38:45 AM
It's a cherry-picked fight, Ryan's promotion is good in picking the right opponent, and a good record but is beatable by Garcia, they need to get Ryan on top again he holds the best record in PPV, and he is still a crowd drawer even though he has no legitimate title in his name.

Ryan has everything the social media king, a crowd drawer but his team failed to convert his success in boxing, I have doubts about Derrick James' as a trainer two successive losses in a big fight are not good in Ryan's campaign.

I'm sure he will beat Duarte but he needs to show something different, we need a hungry and obsessive Ryan and hopefully we'll see it in this fight.

Right, Ryan Garcia is a social media darling and a PPV drawer so an opponent with a record like that of Duarte is what they need to at least draw some hype on his next fight.

But mind you, this Duarte is not a pushover compared to some of Ryan Garcia's opponent and i think they would evaluate Duarte furthermore to see if he is a right opponent for Garcia's comeback fight and if there assessment he is a risk then they would cancel this plan, they have done this a few times already and i would not be surprised if one day Team Garcia would announce that he has having this mental issues once again thus cancelling the fight hehe.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: Japinat on October 04, 2023, 06:06:09 AM
I went through the record (https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/671857) of his opponent, and I find it very impressive.

After his first loss in 2019 against Adrian Estrella, he was already on a winning streak until May 2023. I find this impressive because all of his wins did not go to the judges' scorecards, meaning this boxer has power, which I think would really match Ryan Garcia.

Judging by his record and Ryan's, I expect that this fight is going to be a war, a toe-to-toe battle where only one man is left standing in the end. A KO is likely to happen, and as for who would win, I don't know, but most likely it's Ryan (hopefully).
Wow, that's an impressive record to be honest, he may not be known but likely he wants to be known and that's his job if he can take down Garcia. I know Garcia will be the favorite here but it's a tough job for Garcia as well in my opinion considering his lost to Davis would still have that effect on how he fights now. Well, I think Garcia may need to bounce back but I guess I'll favor with Duarte in this fight.
I hope the money they earned in that fight was able to help him recover from that big loss because it was reported that they made a significant amount of money, and the PPV numbers were impressive as well. So he is back now, trying to test himself again against a boxer who has power and could possibly KO him if Garcia does not give his full effort to train. This is a downgrade of an opponent on his part, but he lost against Davis, so he has to start over again.

Besides, he is only 25 years old, so he is still young to recover and be a champion again.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: btc_angela on October 04, 2023, 11:26:06 AM
The complete name is Oscar Duarte Jurado. I think it's Jurado and not Duarte that's his family name.

Regardless of the names though, here is the boxrec: https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/671857

I like the new opponent of Ryan Garcia. Even though he is not really one of the stars at 140, he has a good record. Garcia is definitely his biggest fight but it looks like he's well prepared for it. He has been doing good in his professional career. His only loss was even just a split decision. It could be given to him. So he's almost undefeated.

But I'm surprised when I checked the early odds at oddschecker. Garcia is 1.17 favorite and Jurado is 5.0 underdog. I might risk my money with Jurado.

Goodluck with your bet mate, I mean he is unknown boxer at 140 lbs, he is not even rank at at this weight classes. And it's interesting that he is rank number 11 at lightweight (135 lbs). So I'm not surprised by the odds being given to us, 5:1 underdog seems to be fair for the unknown Duarte.

And most likely warm up fight for Ryan Garcia, just to get back to his rhythm. Also interesting what will be his new coach strategy or what new things can we seen on Ryan Garcia here.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: Dave1 on October 04, 2023, 12:55:47 PM
I went through the record (https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/671857) of his opponent, and I find it very impressive.

After his first loss in 2019 against Adrian Estrella, he was already on a winning streak until May 2023. I find this impressive because all of his wins did not go to the judges' scorecards, meaning this boxer has power, which I think would really match Ryan Garcia.

Judging by his record and Ryan's, I expect that this fight is going to be a war, a toe-to-toe battle where only one man is left standing in the end. A KO is likely to happen, and as for who would win, I don't know, but most likely it's Ryan (hopefully).
Wow, that's an impressive record to be honest, he may not be known but likely he wants to be known and that's his job if he can take down Garcia. I know Garcia will be the favorite here but it's a tough job for Garcia as well in my opinion considering his lost to Davis would still have that effect on how he fights now. Well, I think Garcia may need to bounce back but I guess I'll favor with Duarte in this fight.
I hope the money they earned in that fight was able to help him recover from that big loss because it was reported that they made a significant amount of money, and the PPV numbers were impressive as well. So he is back now, trying to test himself again against a boxer who has power and could possibly KO him if Garcia does not give his full effort to train. This is a downgrade of an opponent on his part, but he lost against Davis, so he has to start over again.

Besides, he is only 25 years old, so he is still young to recover and be a champion again.

Correct, so far, his fight with Tank Davis was the biggest fight for this year, bigger than Crawford vs Spence and last weekend's Canelo vs Charlo. So I think Ryan is all set and good for his future and his family as he is making lots of money at his age.

And with this fight, he is the A-side, maybe $5 million guarantee for him and then a chance to redeem himself.

This is also 140 lbs, so he might stay here for good and fight other young champions like Teo Lopez who just won a belt here against Josh Taylor. And then the upcoming Prograis (champion) vs Devin Haney.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: Questat on October 04, 2023, 01:20:50 PM
And with this fight, he is the A-side, maybe $5 million guarantee for him and then a chance to redeem himself.
Not sure if he could receive that amount since it's not a championship fight, I think the estimate is too high.


This is also 140 lbs, so he might stay here for good and fight other young champions like Teo Lopez who just won a belt here against Josh Taylor. And then the upcoming Prograis (champion) vs Devin Haney.
Maybe this one if he becomes a challenger. It will be interesting if he would fight Teofimo Lopez as the latter is not so dominant. So most likely, we are gonna witness a close fight, and with Ryan's height advantage, I think he might give the champion some trouble.

He wasn't able his height advantage against Tank Davis, maybe with Teo it will work.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: inthelongrun on October 04, 2023, 01:34:00 PM
The complete name is Oscar Duarte Jurado. I think it's Jurado and not Duarte that's his family name.

Regardless of the names though, here is the boxrec: https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/671857

I like the new opponent of Ryan Garcia. Even though he is not really one of the stars at 140, he has a good record. Garcia is definitely his biggest fight but it looks like he's well prepared for it. He has been doing good in his professional career. His only loss was even just a split decision. It could be given to him. So he's almost undefeated.

But I'm surprised when I checked the early odds at oddschecker. Garcia is 1.17 favorite and Jurado is 5.0 underdog. I might risk my money with Jurado.

Goodluck with your bet mate, I mean he is unknown boxer at 140 lbs, he is not even rank at at this weight classes. And it's interesting that he is rank number 11 at lightweight (135 lbs). So I'm not surprised by the odds being given to us, 5:1 underdog seems to be fair for the unknown Duarte.

And most likely warm up fight for Ryan Garcia, just to get back to his rhythm. Also interesting what will be his new coach strategy or what new things can we seen on Ryan Garcia here.

So Ryan Garcia is really serious about continuing his boxing career. I am not sure if the lawsuit with Golden Boy Promotions is already settled hence he is back fighting for De La Hoya.  

I also checked Ryan Garcia's opponent and I noticed that he is indeed a lightweight fighter. So this time Kingry is the one pushing his opponent to move up into unknown territory which is some sort of an exploitation. Apart from that Duarte Jurado is a decent opponent with a good record and fought decent opponents. The fight is happening this coming December 2 which means he can also set up a proper training camp. So I kind of agree with the odds although I was also expecting something like 1.22 for Kingry earlier.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: Hypnosis00 on October 04, 2023, 01:57:55 PM
So I kind of agree with the odds although I was also expecting something like 1.22 for Kingry earlier.

Most likely, the odds will be like that, probably not higher than 1.30.

Ryan Garcia is trying to redeem himself after a devastating loss to Tank. With a decent opponent, I'm sure he will be tested to see if he is really back in boxing. He isn't undefeated anymore, but his one loss could be the best learning experience for him. Who knows, he might have a rematch with Tank Davis in the future. For now, he has to focus on coming back strong.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: rhomelmabini on October 04, 2023, 02:08:03 PM
I went through the record (https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/671857) of his opponent, and I find it very impressive.

After his first loss in 2019 against Adrian Estrella, he was already on a winning streak until May 2023. I find this impressive because all of his wins did not go to the judges' scorecards, meaning this boxer has power, which I think would really match Ryan Garcia.

Judging by his record and Ryan's, I expect that this fight is going to be a war, a toe-to-toe battle where only one man is left standing in the end. A KO is likely to happen, and as for who would win, I don't know, but most likely it's Ryan (hopefully).
Wow, that's an impressive record to be honest, he may not be known but likely he wants to be known and that's his job if he can take down Garcia. I know Garcia will be the favorite here but it's a tough job for Garcia as well in my opinion considering his lost to Davis would still have that effect on how he fights now. Well, I think Garcia may need to bounce back but I guess I'll favor with Duarte in this fight.
I hope the money they earned in that fight was able to help him recover from that big loss because it was reported that they made a significant amount of money, and the PPV numbers were impressive as well. So he is back now, trying to test himself again against a boxer who has power and could possibly KO him if Garcia does not give his full effort to train. This is a downgrade of an opponent on his part, but he lost against Davis, so he has to start over again.

Besides, he is only 25 years old, so he is still young to recover and be a champion again.
Well, with that profit I guess I'll be able to recover on it. I mean, I think Garcia isn't aiming to be undefeated and besides that's a lesson he may take until he fight against Duarte and that's a huge motivation. Too young tbh and more fight to conquer. I don't think it's a downgrade of a match, his opponent only lost once as well in his career and has more fights than him, I mean it could be an edge for a boxer but that depends on their ring IQ I guess as well.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: Kelvinid on October 04, 2023, 03:13:09 PM
Well, with that profit I guess I'll be able to recover on it. I mean, I think Garcia isn't aiming to be undefeated and besides that's a lesson he may take until he fight against Duarte and that's a huge motivation.
He enjoyed the biggest fight of his career in terms of money, it's just unfortunate that he lose the fight.

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Ryan Garcia has disclosed that his mega-fight against Gervonta Davis on April 22 amassed over $100 million in revenue. Garcia's manager, Oscar De La Hoya, announced that an impressive $30 million of that revenue was Garcia's purse.

source of information  (https://www.si.com/fannation/mma/news/ryan-garcia-nets-huge-payday-for-record-breaking-100m-gervonta-davis-fight#:~:text=Ryan%20Garcia%20and%20Gervonta%20Davis%20have%20entered%20the%20PPV%20boxing%20record%20books.&text=Ryan%20Garcia%20has%20disclosed%20that,that%20revenue%20was%20Garcia's%20purse.)


Too young tbh and more fight to conquer. I don't think it's a downgrade of a match, his opponent only lost once as well in his career and has more fights than him, I mean it could be an edge for a boxer but that depends on their ring IQ I guess as well.

Maybe 'downgrade' is not the right term, but still, Ryan Garcia is more popular than his opponent, so fans might think this would be an easy match for him. And in terms of the quality of opponents, I believe Ryan Garcia has faced better-quality opponents that he has beaten, not including Davis, of course.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: Fundamentals Of on October 05, 2023, 03:41:24 AM
The complete name is Oscar Duarte Jurado. I think it's Jurado and not Duarte that's his family name.

Regardless of the names though, here is the boxrec: https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/671857

I like the new opponent of Ryan Garcia. Even though he is not really one of the stars at 140, he has a good record. Garcia is definitely his biggest fight but it looks like he's well prepared for it. He has been doing good in his professional career. His only loss was even just a split decision. It could be given to him. So he's almost undefeated.

But I'm surprised when I checked the early odds at oddschecker. Garcia is 1.17 favorite and Jurado is 5.0 underdog. I might risk my money with Jurado.

Goodluck with your bet mate, I mean he is unknown boxer at 140 lbs, he is not even rank at at this weight classes. And it's interesting that he is rank number 11 at lightweight (135 lbs). So I'm not surprised by the odds being given to us, 5:1 underdog seems to be fair for the unknown Duarte.

And most likely warm up fight for Ryan Garcia, just to get back to his rhythm. Also interesting what will be his new coach strategy or what new things can we seen on Ryan Garcia here.

I'd rather bet on an unknown boxer this time around than a Ryan Garcia who is widely popular but seems to be carrying so much baggage. The odds may look fair but part of it may be also due to the fact that the opponent is the King Ryan Garcia. But lol on that. Ryan isn't the king. Fury have every reason to consider himself as the king. The same goes probably to Canelo. But never to Ryan.

I'm also excited how Derrick James would prepare Ryan. Joe Goossen failed to bring back the old Ryan. Or perhaps it's only Ryan who can bring back his old self.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: Jating on October 05, 2023, 08:54:44 AM
So I kind of agree with the odds although I was also expecting something like 1.22 for Kingry earlier.

Most likely, the odds will be like that, probably not higher than 1.30.

Ryan Garcia is trying to redeem himself after a devastating loss to Tank. With a decent opponent, I'm sure he will be tested to see if he is really back in boxing. He isn't undefeated anymore, but his one loss could be the best learning experience for him. Who knows, he might have a rematch with Tank Davis in the future. For now, he has to focus on coming back strong.

Yeah, most likely the odds will be higher as Ryan Garcia is facing a unknown caliber fighter. And so with others who is just making a comeback after a devastating lost, they will get a fighter that might have a good in paper but for sure this is a careful match making on the side of Golden Boy. And most likely everything is back to normal with Ryan and Oscar as they will have to promote this fight again.

Ryan needs to win this one and forget how his lost to Tank Davis is. Because if he keeps on thinking about that fight then he can't go and move on his career. And we shouldn't be surprised that this is 140 lbs as this could be the weight class that Ryan could be comfortable as he doesn't need to weight drain himself.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: inthelongrun on October 05, 2023, 03:17:20 PM
So I kind of agree with the odds although I was also expecting something like 1.22 for Kingry earlier.

Most likely, the odds will be like that, probably not higher than 1.30.

Ryan Garcia is trying to redeem himself after a devastating loss to Tank. With a decent opponent, I'm sure he will be tested to see if he is really back in boxing. He isn't undefeated anymore, but his one loss could be the best learning experience for him. Who knows, he might have a rematch with Tank Davis in the future. For now, he has to focus on coming back strong.

Yeah, most likely the odds will be higher as Ryan Garcia is facing a unknown caliber fighter. And so with others who is just making a comeback after a devastating lost, they will get a fighter that might have a good in paper but for sure this is a careful match making on the side of Golden Boy. And most likely everything is back to normal with Ryan and Oscar as they will have to promote this fight again.

Ryan needs to win this one and forget how his lost to Tank Davis is. Because if he keeps on thinking about that fight then he can't go and move on his career. And we shouldn't be surprised that this is 140 lbs as this could be the weight class that Ryan could be comfortable as he doesn't need to weight drain himself.

Ryan's life is already assured if his finances are being managed well plus he is also a social media influencer which also helps him earn a lot regularly. So he should stay focused on his boxing career and try his best to become a world champion. Once he becomes a champion then that is the time he can consider challenging Tank again for a rematch at 140.

Ryan's opponent though cannot be underestimated. He is moving up in weight for this fight but he is a good fighter and just like Ryan, he is also a prospect. And I won't be surprised that Oscar De La Hoya wants Ryan to lose since the kid is expected not to renew his contract soon.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: coin-investor on October 06, 2023, 03:35:23 PM


Ryan's opponent though cannot be underestimated. He is moving up in weight for this fight but he is a good fighter and just like Ryan, he is also a prospect. And I won't be surprised that Oscar De La Hoya wants Ryan to lose since the kid is expected not to renew his contract soon.

It's about time that Ryan moved out of The Golden Boy Promotion, he did not achieve anything and will not achieve anything if he continues to stay with The Golden Boy Promotion, Oscar wants Ryan more than Ryan wants the Golden Boy Promotion.
A new promotion is what Ryan needs to give him a new direction, Haney, Tank, and Romero are now champions but look at Ryan he is left behind he is the king of social media but he has no belt, a social media title is nothing you cannot establish your legacy without a World title.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: Jating on October 06, 2023, 03:46:04 PM
So I kind of agree with the odds although I was also expecting something like 1.22 for Kingry earlier.

Most likely, the odds will be like that, probably not higher than 1.30.

Ryan Garcia is trying to redeem himself after a devastating loss to Tank. With a decent opponent, I'm sure he will be tested to see if he is really back in boxing. He isn't undefeated anymore, but his one loss could be the best learning experience for him. Who knows, he might have a rematch with Tank Davis in the future. For now, he has to focus on coming back strong.

Yeah, most likely the odds will be higher as Ryan Garcia is facing a unknown caliber fighter. And so with others who is just making a comeback after a devastating lost, they will get a fighter that might have a good in paper but for sure this is a careful match making on the side of Golden Boy. And most likely everything is back to normal with Ryan and Oscar as they will have to promote this fight again.

Ryan needs to win this one and forget how his lost to Tank Davis is. Because if he keeps on thinking about that fight then he can't go and move on his career. And we shouldn't be surprised that this is 140 lbs as this could be the weight class that Ryan could be comfortable as he doesn't need to weight drain himself.

Ryan's life is already assured if his finances are being managed well plus he is also a social media influencer which also helps him earn a lot regularly. So he should stay focused on his boxing career and try his best to become a world champion. Once he becomes a champion then that is the time he can consider challenging Tank again for a rematch at 140.

Yes with the revenue of the fight against Tank, he is a multi millionaire at a young age. But this kind of money though is not going to be enough for this young boxers. They will have to look for fights that can generated more for them I reckon. And so after his fight with Davis, they set him up against a upcoming fighter but I still see it as a tune up although it could really be a big test for him.

Ryan's opponent though cannot be underestimated. He is moving up in weight for this fight but he is a good fighter and just like Ryan, he is also a prospect. And I won't be surprised that Oscar De La Hoya wants Ryan to lose since the kid is expected not to renew his contract soon.

It will be interesting what will be the outcome of this fight and also what will be his relationship with Oscar. Who is the beginning, the fans see a lot of similarities between the two. But they have this kind of love and hate relationship. So not sure if this is Ryan's late fight with Oscar or there will be another one. But one things for sure, it seem that the relationship between the two has somewhat had a crack already. And I see Ryan leaving Oscar once his contract expire and maybe moved to Eddie Hearn of Match Room or maybe even to PBC.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: Slow death on October 06, 2023, 05:12:11 PM
In my opinion, this will be a fight to try to clean up Ryan Garcia's image and attract the attention of great fighters, I don't know so far about Oscar Duarte's potential, I don't know if he will be able to be stronger to the point of quickly beating Ryan Garcia, but there is no doubt that a loss for Ryan Garcia in this fight would not go down well, and it is easier for people to accept a loss for Oscar Duarte in this fight than for them to accept a loss for Ryan Garcia in this fight. I've been reading people's comments on many YouTube channels and it seems to me that there is a consensus of opinion that this will be a fight in which there will be pressure on Ryan's side in terms of him not losing at the risk of displeasing many fans and losing some of his shine

and currently in combat sports marketing reaches extreme levels especially when you have an athlete with a great reputation for having few or no defeats, being the ko champion, being the guy who has the strongest punches, being the undefeated champion, so when a fighter doesn't have any of that, he doesn't have attention, and becomes a secondary character in fights, and ryan garcia won't want to fall so much that he becomes a secondary character, in this fight ryan garcia is the youngest, at 25 years old against Duarte who has been a professional fighter since 2013, although I have seen comments saying that any of the fighters who win this fight will gain attention from the big fighters, I still think that the pressure is more on Ryan's side


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: Oasisman on October 06, 2023, 05:23:59 PM
Man, Garcia still seeking on his first world title but Duarte is still a tough opponent , though not as tough as Gervonta, but Garcia still needs to improve his skills and tighten his chin and stamina for him to keep up with the elite fighter globally.
I know Garcia is still young and has still a lot of room to improve but I hope he's now more cautious and tripled his effort on his upcoming fights.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: btc_angela on October 06, 2023, 05:36:03 PM
The complete name is Oscar Duarte Jurado. I think it's Jurado and not Duarte that's his family name.

Regardless of the names though, here is the boxrec: https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/671857

I like the new opponent of Ryan Garcia. Even though he is not really one of the stars at 140, he has a good record. Garcia is definitely his biggest fight but it looks like he's well prepared for it. He has been doing good in his professional career. His only loss was even just a split decision. It could be given to him. So he's almost undefeated.

But I'm surprised when I checked the early odds at oddschecker. Garcia is 1.17 favorite and Jurado is 5.0 underdog. I might risk my money with Jurado.

Goodluck with your bet mate, I mean he is unknown boxer at 140 lbs, he is not even rank at at this weight classes. And it's interesting that he is rank number 11 at lightweight (135 lbs). So I'm not surprised by the odds being given to us, 5:1 underdog seems to be fair for the unknown Duarte.

And most likely warm up fight for Ryan Garcia, just to get back to his rhythm. Also interesting what will be his new coach strategy or what new things can we seen on Ryan Garcia here.

I'd rather bet on an unknown boxer this time around than a Ryan Garcia who is widely popular but seems to be carrying so much baggage. The odds may look fair but part of it may be also due to the fact that the opponent is the King Ryan Garcia. But lol on that. Ryan isn't the king. Fury have every reason to consider himself as the king. The same goes probably to Canelo. But never to Ryan.

I'm also excited how Derrick James would prepare Ryan. Joe Goossen failed to bring back the old Ryan. Or perhaps it's only Ryan who can bring back his old self.

I guess that is the title that he bestowed on himself. And I think it was really good for him unless he was beaten by Tank Davis. So yeah, make sense if you think that you will go and bet on Ryan Garcia because he has a unknown opponent and the odds are really that good, we can't complain.

But we will see if he has change some in his fighting style since he is being trained by Derrick James. Although the former trainer of the year doesn't have a good year because of the lost of Spence and Charlo, still good though for him to take a risk with Ryan and see if there is improvement or not or if Ryan will be the one to bring Derrick James in the winning column. This trainers as well are very competitive as they want to out think each other as well. But most likely I think BoMac the trainer of Crawford could be the trainer of the year, in my opinion.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: Baofeng on November 03, 2023, 10:51:52 PM
Added to the undercard is Ohara Davies vs. Ismael Barroso.

I think this is a good undercard by GBP, Ohara will make his debut in the US soil against a very tough Barroso who recently fought Rolly Romero. But it was a back and forth fight and the referee stop the fight and it was somewhat a big controversial.

And this will be for the WBA Super Lightweight Interim World Championship so expect a lot of fireworks in this fight.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: btc_angela on November 04, 2023, 09:50:05 AM
Added to the undercard is Ohara Davies vs. Ismael Barroso.

I think this is a good undercard by GBP, Ohara will make his debut in the US soil against a very tough Barroso who recently fought Rolly Romero. But it was a back and forth fight and the referee stop the fight and it was somewhat a big controversial.

And this will be for the WBA Super Lightweight Interim World Championship so expect a lot of fireworks in this fight.

This is great addition indeed, I like to see Davies as there are a lot of hype win this boxer. I have to check his boxrec though and see why is the hype or at least what the fans and boxing writers are really creating a lot of noise on him.

But it could be a big mistakes for him if he is going to face the veteran in Barroso. Although usually this tough fighters are really on the sunset of their careers and he could be a good stepping stone for Ohara to make a impression on the American audience.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: inthelongrun on November 04, 2023, 12:13:33 PM
Added to the undercard is Ohara Davies vs. Ismael Barroso.

I think this is a good undercard by GBP, Ohara will make his debut in the US soil against a very tough Barroso who recently fought Rolly Romero. But it was a back and forth fight and the referee stop the fight and it was somewhat a big controversial.

And this will be for the WBA Super Lightweight Interim World Championship so expect a lot of fireworks in this fight.

This is great addition indeed, I like to see Davies as there are a lot of hype win this boxer. I have to check his boxrec though and see why is the hype or at least what the fans and boxing writers are really creating a lot of noise on him.

But it could be a big mistakes for him if he is going to face the veteran in Barroso. Although usually this tough fighters are really on the sunset of their careers and he could be a good stepping stone for Ohara to make a impression on the American audience.

Another corrupt sanctioning body doing another magic trick then. I am confident Ohara Davies will beat that joke champion Rolly Romero. I don't even understand why the WBA allowed Rolly to face a senior citizen for the vacant belt when there are Ohara and other high-ranking fighters. It's all about money and politics nowadays. I think Davies is mandatory and is overdue for a title shot but the WBA is allowing PBC to hostage the belt. And knowing how weak Rolly is, PBC won't let fighters from other networks just beat him and gain some fame.

But this is a good fight knowing Barroso was winning over Rolly before the referee saved PBC's baby boy. This one should be for the real WBA belt and not for the garbage interim belt. But we'll see if Ohara can easily beat Barroso. Ohara beating Barroso with ease though will only make PBC and Rolly more scared to comply with its obligation to face him.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: mirakal on November 04, 2023, 12:54:00 PM
Added to the undercard is Ohara Davies vs. Ismael Barroso.


I think I'll check out these boxers first because I'm not familiar with them. What I really want to see is the main event, as I'm looking forward to watching Ryan Garcia's comeback after his loss against Tank Davis. I'm sure he's had enough time to think and will be more motivated to train since he's experienced a loss. He's no longer undefeated, so it's like he's starting from scratch to prove himself to the world.

However, in case he loses, I guess that defeat against Davis might have really affected his confidence. The mental aspect could become a topic of discussion, maybe even an excuse.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: Sanitough on November 04, 2023, 01:18:15 PM
Added to the undercard is Ohara Davies vs. Ismael Barroso.


I think I'll check out these boxers first because I'm not familiar with them. What I really want to see is the main event, as I'm looking forward to watching Ryan Garcia's comeback after his loss against Tank Davis. I'm sure he's had enough time to think and will be more motivated to train since he's experienced a loss. He's no longer undefeated, so it's like he's starting from scratch to prove himself to the world.

You should take a look at these boxers, especially Ohara Davies, who hasn't lost a fight since 2018. I believe he can easily defeat Ismael Barroso from Venezuela because Barroso is already quite old at 40 years, nearing retirement age.

However, in case he loses, I guess that defeat against Davis might have really affected his confidence. The mental aspect could become a topic of discussion, maybe even an excuse.
Every boxer tends to have their reasons when they lose a fight. If Ryan Garcia didn't make excuses after his loss to Tank Davis, I doubt he'll come up with that kind of excuse now. The boxing community would probably not take it well if he can't accept defeat.

Looking at Oscar Duarte Jurado's record, it's quite impressive. He's known for knocking out his opponents, and that makes him a dangerous opponent for Garcia, especially considering that Garcia has been knocked out before.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: coin-investor on November 04, 2023, 04:19:01 PM

Every boxer tends to have their reasons when they lose a fight. If Ryan Garcia didn't make excuses after his loss to Tank Davis, I doubt he'll come up with that kind of excuse now. The boxing community would probably not take it well if he can't accept defeat.
He has no reason to make an excuse it's his comeback fight and he is obliged to do all the necessary preparation to make a successful comeback he cannot afford to lose now, the stake is very high in this fight, Ryan badly needs to win and he needs to win impressively and also Duarte needs a big leap in his career and this is his big chance to make a big leap.

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Looking at Oscar Duarte Jurado's record, it's quite impressive. He's known for knocking out his opponents, and that makes him a dangerous opponent for Garcia, especially considering that Garcia has been knocked out before.
Have you seen their faceoff, Duarte shows no fear and respect for Ryan he wants to show to everybody and to Ryan too that he can beat Ryan because he has weak spots that can be exploited. Whoever wins this fight will have a big turnaround in their boxing career, I know Ryan will still be a favorite here and he should correct whatever mistakes he made in his last fight

RYAN GARCIA GETS ANGRY & TRIES TO PUNK OSCAR DUARTE AT FIRST FACE OFF; REFUSES TO BREAK STAREDOWN (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSoY0SfNY4g)


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: mirakal on November 05, 2023, 11:53:00 AM
Added to the undercard is Ohara Davies vs. Ismael Barroso.


I think I'll check out these boxers first because I'm not familiar with them. What I really want to see is the main event, as I'm looking forward to watching Ryan Garcia's comeback after his loss against Tank Davis. I'm sure he's had enough time to think and will be more motivated to train since he's experienced a loss. He's no longer undefeated, so it's like he's starting from scratch to prove himself to the world.

You should take a look at these boxers, especially Ohara Davies, who hasn't lost a fight since 2018. I believe he can easily defeat Ismael Barroso from Venezuela because Barroso is already quite old at 40 years, nearing retirement age.

A 40-year-old boxer, I guess I already know who would win. Even Pacman, who is one of the greatest, struggled when he reached that age and eventually retired from boxing. This guy Barroso is just an ordinary boxer, so I would not expect a lot from him. Besides, it's not the main attraction, though.


However, in case he loses, I guess that defeat against Davis might have really affected his confidence. The mental aspect could become a topic of discussion, maybe even an excuse.
Every boxer tends to have their reasons when they lose a fight. If Ryan Garcia didn't make excuses after his loss to Tank Davis, I doubt he'll come up with that kind of excuse now. The boxing community would probably not take it well if he can't accept defeat.

Looking at Oscar Duarte Jurado's record, it's quite impressive. He's known for knocking out his opponents, and that makes him a dangerous opponent for Garcia, especially considering that Garcia has been knocked out before.

Well, so this means we are going to see an exciting fight. If Ryan makes a successful comeback, we will probably see him fight a champion in the future. But for now, his only focus is on beating Duarte. Thanks for the video you shared, @coin-investor. It's good to know that Duarte has great confidence in winning this fight.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: goaldigger on November 05, 2023, 12:02:59 PM
Man, Garcia still seeking on his first world title but Duarte is still a tough opponent , though not as tough as Gervonta, but Garcia still needs to improve his skills and tighten his chin and stamina for him to keep up with the elite fighter globally.
I know Garcia is still young and has still a lot of room to improve but I hope he's now more cautious and tripled his effort on his upcoming fights.
This could be a good bounce back fight for Garcia after his big loss to Davis, I'm sure Garcia already learned the lesson here and will improve more.
Looking at the previous fights of Duarte, it loos like he's a tough opponent as well so if Garcia wants to win here I agree that he should tripled his effort on improving his skills and his self so he can match the energy of his opponent. This can be an exciting match, and I'm still rooting for Gracia on this match.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: cryptomaniac_xxx on November 05, 2023, 12:06:48 PM
^^ I mean that's how the stare down should happened though, this boxers doesn't want to show some sign of weakness and so the first one to break in the stare down will look weak and Ryan doesn't want that. Besides, he has a lot of experienced facing good boxers and knockout artist so he just want to impose his will in the beginning and get a psychological advantage.

But I do agree that this could be a great fight, we will see Rya bouncing back from that Tank's lost and he chooses a knockout artist in Duarte. Maybe he wanted to  really test himself again and specially with his new trainer in his side. So this is just the kick off presser and for sure Ryan being the social media king, might tweet something to start the trash talk.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: AmoreJaz on November 05, 2023, 12:09:53 PM
^^ I mean that's how the stare down should happened though, this boxers doesn't want to show some sign of weakness and so the first one to break in the stare down will look weak and Ryan doesn't want that. Besides, he has a lot of experienced facing good boxers and knockout artist so he just want to impose his will in the beginning and get a psychological advantage.

But I do agree that this could be a great fight, we will see Rya bouncing back from that Tank's lost and he chooses a knockout artist in Duarte. Maybe he wanted to  really test himself again and specially with his new trainer in his side. So this is just the kick off presser and for sure Ryan being the social media king, might tweet something to start the trash talk.

this is by no means a cherry pick for garcia as duarte's record is impressive. so yeah, maybe, garcia's camp wants to test his strength to a KO artist. if garcia can pull it off, maybe, they can get a bigger name on the table.
the preparation is only a month. garcia is still the favourite here. but if you fancy an upset, well, you can pick duarte here.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: bisdak40 on November 06, 2023, 12:18:55 PM
Man, Garcia still seeking on his first world title but Duarte is still a tough opponent , though not as tough as Gervonta, but Garcia still needs to improve his skills and tighten his chin and stamina for him to keep up with the elite fighter globally.
I know Garcia is still young and has still a lot of room to improve but I hope he's now more cautious and tripled his effort on his upcoming fights.
This could be a good bounce back fight for Garcia after his big loss to Davis, I'm sure Garcia already learned the lesson here and will improve more.
Looking at the previous fights of Duarte, it loos like he's a tough opponent as well so if Garcia wants to win here I agree that he should tripled his effort on improving his skills and his self so he can match the energy of his opponent. This can be an exciting match, and I'm still rooting for Gracia on this match.

Tough indeed and like what @AmoreJaz have said above that this is not a cherry picked opponent, as far as the record is concerned. By merely looking at the record of Duarte alone, i could say that Team Garcia is pretty serious on bouncing back after that KO loss to Davis. That was record breaking on the Ryan's part so picking a tough opponent for a bounce back is the way to go.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: BIT-BENDER on November 06, 2023, 12:23:16 PM
Garcia like Tank Davis said has poor boxing technics and I have to agree with that, Garcia is almost like the popular YouTubers who are turning to be boxers the only difference is that Garcia has a very strong left hook aside that his boxing game is poor.

I don't know much about Oscar Duarte but I think he is also atmost an average boxer and Garcia even with his poor Technics should be able to put him away with a strong left hook that connects well.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: Viscore on November 06, 2023, 12:37:13 PM
Garcia like Tank Davis said has poor boxing technics and I have to agree with that, Garcia is almost like the popular YouTubers who are turning to be boxers the only difference is that Garcia has a very strong left hook aside that his boxing game is poor.

I don't know much about Oscar Duarte but I think he is also atmost an average boxer and Garcia even with his poor Technics should be able to put him away with a strong left hook that connects well.

Tank Davis has the right to claim that because he defeated Ryan Garcia, he is the only boxer who has defeated King Ray. However, let's set aside Tank Davis for now as he has already reached a different level. Ryan is making his comeback, so let's see if he succeeds in that.

I'd also like to see Tank Davis fight Isaac Cruz in a rematch since Cruz is a tough opponent to crack. Their previous fight went the distance, lasting 12 rounds, and Davis won via unanimous decision. It was a highly entertaining fight as Isaac Cruz showed no fear of Tank Davis's power.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: Yaunfitda on November 07, 2023, 10:53:32 AM
Garcia like Tank Davis said has poor boxing technics and I have to agree with that, Garcia is almost like the popular YouTubers who are turning to be boxers the only difference is that Garcia has a very strong left hook aside that his boxing game is poor.
I think he is a professional boxer first, before his social media successful. And I think it's the cause and effect of it, at a very young age he was a good boxer and so he has a lot of fans. And then him exposing more of himself in the social media, make him even more famous and create big hype. And as a result although he has lost against Tank Davis, there fight is the biggest fight for this year, generating 20++ millions in PPV alone.

I don't know much about Oscar Duarte but I think he is also atmost an average boxer and Garcia even with his poor Technics should be able to put him away with a strong left hook that connects well.
In paper he seems to be a good boxer, with a high percentage of knockouts. And I would compare him to Luke Campbell whom Ryan face before, good boxer and has a decent power and then Ryan was caught experiencing his first knock down. So I think in the beginning it will be very difficult for Ryan but once he got his rhythm and landed his left hook he could win by a KO.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: Kasabus on November 07, 2023, 12:30:12 PM
I don't know much about Oscar Duarte but I think he is also atmost an average boxer and Garcia even with his poor Technics should be able to put him away with a strong left hook that connects well.
In paper he seems to be a good boxer, with a high percentage of knockouts. And I would compare him to Luke Campbell whom Ryan face before, good boxer and has a decent power and then Ryan was caught experiencing his first knock down. So I think in the beginning it will be very difficult for Ryan but once he got his rhythm and landed his left hook he could win by a KO.
This marks a new beginning for Ryan Garcia. His loss to Tank cannot linger in his mind; he should continue to work hard until he gets the opportunity to fight for a championship. It's not too late for him; many boxers have made comebacks after significant losses. To start, he needs to secure an impressive victory, and by that, I mean winning by knockout.

It would be quite interesting to read the story of him beating a KO artist with a KO. It's sure to capture the attention of fans, and they'll begin hyping up Ryan's name once more.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: btc_angela on November 08, 2023, 09:00:46 PM
I don't know much about Oscar Duarte but I think he is also atmost an average boxer and Garcia even with his poor Technics should be able to put him away with a strong left hook that connects well.
In paper he seems to be a good boxer, with a high percentage of knockouts. And I would compare him to Luke Campbell whom Ryan face before, good boxer and has a decent power and then Ryan was caught experiencing his first knock down. So I think in the beginning it will be very difficult for Ryan but once he got his rhythm and landed his left hook he could win by a KO.
This marks a new beginning for Ryan Garcia. His loss to Tank cannot linger in his mind; he should continue to work hard until he gets the opportunity to fight for a championship. It's not too late for him; many boxers have made comebacks after significant losses. To start, he needs to secure an impressive victory, and by that, I mean winning by knockout.

It would be quite interesting to read the story of him beating a KO artist with a KO. It's sure to capture the attention of fans, and they'll begin hyping up Ryan's name once more.

Definitely he has to move on, but there could be fighters that after a devasting lost, can't get over it. And we all know that Ryan has a history of mental breakdown, so this is going to be a big test for him, to see if he can forget about that lost of him and then still go forward in his career and continue and to become a world champion again.

However, it's hard to compare fight of him though, it's a different strategy as he will have a new coach for this fight. Maybe he will play defense or just uses more offense in this fight as he is also known to be a good knockout artist and he has one of the best looking left hook in the game right now. So he will for sure utilized this tools to try and go for a knockout against a KO artist.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: cryptomaniac_xxx on November 19, 2023, 08:40:57 AM
^^ I mean that's how the stare down should happened though, this boxers doesn't want to show some sign of weakness and so the first one to break in the stare down will look weak and Ryan doesn't want that. Besides, he has a lot of experienced facing good boxers and knockout artist so he just want to impose his will in the beginning and get a psychological advantage.

But I do agree that this could be a great fight, we will see Rya bouncing back from that Tank's lost and he chooses a knockout artist in Duarte. Maybe he wanted to  really test himself again and specially with his new trainer in his side. So this is just the kick off presser and for sure Ryan being the social media king, might tweet something to start the trash talk.

this is by no means a cherry pick for garcia as duarte's record is impressive. so yeah, maybe, garcia's camp wants to test his strength to a KO artist. if garcia can pull it off, maybe, they can get a bigger name on the table.
the preparation is only a month. garcia is still the favourite here. but if you fancy an upset, well, you can pick duarte here.

Yes, they want to see if Ryan can still be as powerful in 140 lbs and they want to test him against a very tough opponent in Duarte. Fight is getting nearer, wanted to see how Ryan will promote it.

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I have always been a star I never had the opportunity to show it due to my platform not doing PPV at the time.

I always knew that if I did a PPV it would do great and it did 1.2M PPV buys. I’m also aware enough that if you just put every fight on PPV you will do horrible number like 150k-200k losing your company money and robbing the fans and people who want to see you. Need to be selective.

https://twitter.com/RyanGarcia/status/1724808129706332315

So yes, he is talking about becoming a PPV stars, and we can't deny it as him and Tank did the most PPV numbers for this year so far If I'm not mistaken. So this fight will be again another testament if Ryan can bring fans to watch his fight and still make a good money if his dance partner is not well known.

Just unfair though that this podcast host says that Tank is not a star and in their fight, it was Ryan who carry it. But I believed otherwise, both of them are PPV stars and that's why the numbers is showing to us with that 1.2 million PPV buys.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: bisdak40 on November 22, 2023, 12:16:48 PM
So yes, he is talking about becoming a PPV stars, and we can't deny it as him and Tank did the most PPV numbers for this year so far If I'm not mistaken. So this fight will be again another testament if Ryan can bring fans to watch his fight and still make a good money if his dance partner is not well known.

Just unfair though that this podcast host says that Tank is not a star and in their fight, it was Ryan who carry it. But I believed otherwise, both of them are PPV stars and that's why the numbers is showing to us with that 1.2 million PPV buys.

Sorry to say that in order to have good PPV buys, you need to have a good dance partner so this might be the reason why they chose Duarte because in paper, he is good but remains to be seen in reality if indeed he can bring the fight to Ryan Garcia and entertain the fans. For this fight alone, i don't think that it could get a quarter of that 1.2 million PPV when Garcia fought Tank Davis. For some, they will see this fight as a tune-up or a bounce-back fight after that devastating loss to the Tank.

The fight will be in less than two weeks from now and there is not much movement on the odds, still Ryan Garcia is the favorite to win and bookies predicts that he would KO Duarte.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: yazher on November 22, 2023, 12:58:09 PM

this is by no means a cherry pick for garcia as duarte's record is impressive. so yeah, maybe, garcia's camp wants to test his strength to a KO artist. if garcia can pull it off, maybe, they can get a bigger name on the table.
the preparation is only a month. garcia is still the favourite here. but if you fancy an upset, well, you can pick duarte here.

They really not playing around by picking a kind of opponent like Duarte because this is a decent fight between these two. Also, it's hard to predict who will gonna win this fight because to pull an upset for someone who has just tasted his first loss seems impossible unless Garcia has lost his confidence and cannot get up and move on from that loss anymore. Nevertheless, it's nice to see Garcia back in action and this will undoubtedly be a fight that most boxing fans want to see, they wanna see how is Garcia doing after that loss against Tank Davis.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: Hypnosis00 on November 22, 2023, 01:09:12 PM

this is by no means a cherry pick for garcia as duarte's record is impressive. so yeah, maybe, garcia's camp wants to test his strength to a KO artist. if garcia can pull it off, maybe, they can get a bigger name on the table.
the preparation is only a month. garcia is still the favourite here. but if you fancy an upset, well, you can pick duarte here.

They really not playing around by picking a kind of opponent like Duarte because this is a decent fight between these two. Also, it's hard to predict who will gonna win this fight because to pull an upset for someone who has just tasted his first loss seems impossible unless Garcia has lost his confidence and cannot get up and move on from that loss anymore. Nevertheless, it's nice to see Garcia back in action and this will undoubtedly be a fight that most boxing fans want to see, they wanna see how is Garcia doing after that loss against Tank Davis.

Let's say it's a 55/45 split, giving Garcia a slight edge in terms of chances. Duarte is undeniably a promising boxer, and I'm certain his camp sees this as a fast track to a bigger fight if he can best Garcia. Ideally, both fighters would approach the match with equal confidence, making for an interesting showdown. Garcia's favored status is mainly due to his impressive record before his loss to Tank Davis. However, if he takes another hit, the bookies might not show him the same respect in the future.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: bittraffic on November 22, 2023, 01:11:44 PM

this is by no means a cherry pick for garcia as duarte's record is impressive. so yeah, maybe, garcia's camp wants to test his strength to a KO artist. if garcia can pull it off, maybe, they can get a bigger name on the table.
the preparation is only a month. garcia is still the favourite here. but if you fancy an upset, well, you can pick duarte here.

They really not playing around by picking a kind of opponent like Duarte because this is a decent fight between these two. Also, it's hard to predict who will gonna win this fight because to pull an upset for someone who has just tasted his first loss seems impossible unless Garcia has lost his confidence and cannot get up and move on from that loss anymore. Nevertheless, it's nice to see Garcia back in action and this will undoubtedly be a fight that most boxing fans want to see, they wanna see how is Garcia doing after that loss against Tank Davis.

Garcia can't be a zero loss undisputed he already has a loss so what else is there to be afraid of, just fight someone who is bigger if possible to fight a champ in the upper weight class. But Duarte isn't as tough as he is so to me, this is still a cherry picking imo. Duarte is not a top 5 fighter, not sure if there is a fight of him that a boxing fan can remember unless he follows Duarte for some reason.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: freedomgo on November 22, 2023, 01:44:33 PM

this is by no means a cherry pick for garcia as duarte's record is impressive. so yeah, maybe, garcia's camp wants to test his strength to a KO artist. if garcia can pull it off, maybe, they can get a bigger name on the table.
the preparation is only a month. garcia is still the favourite here. but if you fancy an upset, well, you can pick duarte here.

They really not playing around by picking a kind of opponent like Duarte because this is a decent fight between these two. Also, it's hard to predict who will gonna win this fight because to pull an upset for someone who has just tasted his first loss seems impossible unless Garcia has lost his confidence and cannot get up and move on from that loss anymore. Nevertheless, it's nice to see Garcia back in action and this will undoubtedly be a fight that most boxing fans want to see, they wanna see how is Garcia doing after that loss against Tank Davis.

Garcia can't be a zero loss undisputed he already has a loss so what else is there to be afraid of, just fight someone who is bigger if possible to fight a champ in the upper weight class. But Duarte isn't as tough as he is so to me, this is still a cherry picking imo. Duarte is not a top 5 fighter, not sure if there is a fight of him that a boxing fan can remember unless he follows Duarte for some reason.


Duarte is ranked at number 9 in the WBO Lightweight division. This alone indicates that he may not be considered a top-tier boxer just yet. However, what likely impresses fans is his impressive boxing record. Currently, he has 26 wins, with an impressive 21 of those coming from knockouts. Also, let us not forget that he remains undefeated as well.

Check his record https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/671857


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: YOSHIE on November 22, 2023, 02:45:53 PM
Oscar Duarte has an impressive record of 26-1-1, with 21 of his opponents got KOed so i think he is a live opponent for Garcia.
I've seen a lot of responses about boxing between Ryan Garcia vs. Oscar Duarte, which will take place next December, some people want Ryan to win this fight, even though he has stopped boxing, but he had a mixed response from some circles of boxing fans.

But for me personally and in my opinion, boxing this time is against Ryan Garcia vs. Oscar Duarte, this is a dangerous opponent for Ryan. I have seen a lot of how Oscar plays his boxing style in the ring, I think Ryan has chosen the wrong opponent, I think the end of the match made Ryan's camp regret that they chose Oscar as their opponent.

In my opinion, Ryan should be met first with a boxer who is his equal, not directly against Oscar. I think Ryan needs to feel confident and rebuild after experiencing a knockout.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: cryptomaniac_xxx on November 22, 2023, 08:10:08 PM
So yes, he is talking about becoming a PPV stars, and we can't deny it as him and Tank did the most PPV numbers for this year so far If I'm not mistaken. So this fight will be again another testament if Ryan can bring fans to watch his fight and still make a good money if his dance partner is not well known.

Just unfair though that this podcast host says that Tank is not a star and in their fight, it was Ryan who carry it. But I believed otherwise, both of them are PPV stars and that's why the numbers is showing to us with that 1.2 million PPV buys.

Sorry to say that in order to have good PPV buys, you need to have a good dance partner so this might be the reason why they chose Duarte because in paper, he is good but remains to be seen in reality if indeed he can bring the fight to Ryan Garcia and entertain the fans. For this fight alone, i don't think that it could get a quarter of that 1.2 million PPV when Garcia fought Tank Davis. For some, they will see this fight as a tune-up or a bounce-back fight after that devastating loss to the Tank.

The fight will be in less than two weeks from now and there is not much movement on the odds, still Ryan Garcia is the favorite to win and bookies predicts that he would KO Duarte.

Yes, and that's what I'm trying to say, Davis and Ryan really brought everything in their fights, and that's why they have the PPV records for this year. So it's 50/50 for them but not sure what percentage did Ryan get from that PPV.

Hopefully that will be the case, Ryan winning by KO and then the whole boxing community is going to be hype again for him and dreaming of Ryan fighting the best at 140 lbs, specially Teo Lopez. This is the fight that I want to see as Teo has one belt and both of them are trash talker.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: inthelongrun on November 23, 2023, 07:00:10 AM
It's less than 2 weeks already and we'll see if Ryan Garcia has improved since joining Derrick James. But still, it is hard to make this fight a basis if Ryan is ready for a title fight because Duarte is only a 135-fighter. Sometimes it is sad when Ryan complains as to how Davis made him drop in weight and not fight his confident weight. But here he is exploiting a 135 fighter to move up in weight. So this time, I am hoping the underdog to score an upset. Ryan has already been dropped after getting hit in the chin and was stopped by a body shot so somehow Duarte has a clue on how things should be done. But it won't be easy since Ryan is fighting in his comfortable weight so he will definitely come out strong and Duarte might appear slower and needs to acclimatize due to the added weight which he is not used to.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: bisdak40 on November 23, 2023, 12:38:16 PM
It's less than 2 weeks already and we'll see if Ryan Garcia has improved since joining Derrick James. But still, it is hard to make this fight a basis if Ryan is ready for a title fight because Duarte is only a 135-fighter. Sometimes it is sad when Ryan complains as to how Davis made him drop in weight and not fight his confident weight. But here he is exploiting a 135 fighter to move up in weight. So this time, I am hoping the underdog to score an upset. Ryan has already been dropped after getting hit in the chin and was stopped by a body shot so somehow Duarte has a clue on how things should be done. But it won't be easy since Ryan is fighting in his comfortable weight so he will definitely come out strong and Duarte might appear slower and needs to acclimatize due to the added weight which he is not used to.

Lol, this is what boxing nowadays offers to its fans. If Garcia couldn't knockout this 135-fighter in Duarte then I think he is a bum who gets his hype through social media. As I've said in my previous post that Duarte is a cherry-picked opponent to somehow make Garcia look good on his comeback fight after that devastating loss to Tank Davis. The pressure is on him to KO or at least give a very impressive 12-round fight.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: Hypnosis00 on November 23, 2023, 12:45:41 PM
It's less than 2 weeks already and we'll see if Ryan Garcia has improved since joining Derrick James. But still, it is hard to make this fight a basis if Ryan is ready for a title fight because Duarte is only a 135-fighter. Sometimes it is sad when Ryan complains as to how Davis made him drop in weight and not fight his confident weight. But here he is exploiting a 135 fighter to move up in weight. So this time, I am hoping the underdog to score an upset. Ryan has already been dropped after getting hit in the chin and was stopped by a body shot so somehow Duarte has a clue on how things should be done. But it won't be easy since Ryan is fighting in his comfortable weight so he will definitely come out strong and Duarte might appear slower and needs to acclimatize due to the added weight which he is not used to.

Lol, this is what boxing nowadays offers to its fans. If Garcia couldn't knockout this 135-fighter in Duarte then I think he is a bum who gets his hype through social media. As I've said in my previous post that Duarte is a cherry-picked opponent to somehow make Garcia look good on his comeback fight after that devastating loss to Tank Davis. The pressure is on him to KO or at least give a very impressive 12-round fight.

I hope Garcia's got the winning formula this time because if he stumbles in this fight, he might have to grind through more bouts before he can snatch a convincing victory and revive the hype. Gotta keep in mind, the Garcia vs. Davis showdown was a massive PPV hit. It'd be a bummer if Garcia's next big bout tanks in terms of PPV views.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: btc_angela on November 23, 2023, 01:39:57 PM
It's less than 2 weeks already and we'll see if Ryan Garcia has improved since joining Derrick James. But still, it is hard to make this fight a basis if Ryan is ready for a title fight because Duarte is only a 135-fighter. Sometimes it is sad when Ryan complains as to how Davis made him drop in weight and not fight his confident weight. But here he is exploiting a 135 fighter to move up in weight. So this time, I am hoping the underdog to score an upset. Ryan has already been dropped after getting hit in the chin and was stopped by a body shot so somehow Duarte has a clue on how things should be done. But it won't be easy since Ryan is fighting in his comfortable weight so he will definitely come out strong and Duarte might appear slower and needs to acclimatize due to the added weight which he is not used to.

Lol, this is what boxing nowadays offers to its fans. If Garcia couldn't knockout this 135-fighter in Duarte then I think he is a bum who gets his hype through social media. As I've said in my previous post that Duarte is a cherry-picked opponent to somehow make Garcia look good on his comeback fight after that devastating loss to Tank Davis. The pressure is on him to KO or at least give a very impressive 12-round fight.

I hope Garcia's got the winning formula this time because if he stumbles in this fight, he might have to grind through more bouts before he can snatch a convincing victory and revive the hype. Gotta keep in mind, the Garcia vs. Davis showdown was a massive PPV hit. It'd be a bummer if Garcia's next big bout tanks in terms of PPV views.

It was a massive hit, yeah, but it takes two to tango as they say, there was really a big hype that time as Garcia has been calling Tank Davis for years before they where able to get him to fight him, but he was in a massive disadvantage as Tank put a lot of pressure on him like the rehydration clause. And sure it did as he lost that fight.

So this is his comeback fight for Ryan Garcia, and hopefully he can get passed Duarte so that he can go and fight most of his contemporaries that move in this division like Teofimo Lopez and Devin Haney. But if he lost to a unknown fighter in Duarte, it might take some time for him to bounce back.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: Yaunfitda on November 23, 2023, 09:23:59 PM
It's less than 2 weeks already and we'll see if Ryan Garcia has improved since joining Derrick James. But still, it is hard to make this fight a basis if Ryan is ready for a title fight because Duarte is only a 135-fighter. Sometimes it is sad when Ryan complains as to how Davis made him drop in weight and not fight his confident weight. But here he is exploiting a 135 fighter to move up in weight. So this time, I am hoping the underdog to score an upset. Ryan has already been dropped after getting hit in the chin and was stopped by a body shot so somehow Duarte has a clue on how things should be done. But it won't be easy since Ryan is fighting in his comfortable weight so he will definitely come out strong and Duarte might appear slower and needs to acclimatize due to the added weight which he is not used to.

Lol, this is what boxing nowadays offers to its fans. If Garcia couldn't knockout this 135-fighter in Duarte then I think he is a bum who gets his hype through social media. As I've said in my previous post that Duarte is a cherry-picked opponent to somehow make Garcia look good on his comeback fight after that devastating loss to Tank Davis. The pressure is on him to KO or at least give a very impressive 12-round fight.

I hope Garcia's got the winning formula this time because if he stumbles in this fight, he might have to grind through more bouts before he can snatch a convincing victory and revive the hype. Gotta keep in mind, the Garcia vs. Davis showdown was a massive PPV hit. It'd be a bummer if Garcia's next big bout tanks in terms of PPV views.
He's always have that winning formula, I mean it was his first lost against a very tough Tank Davis, and as we have seen, he seems to be weight drain, before and after the fight (rehydration clause). So it make sense to move up to jr welterweight as his body is maturing. And I think even at 140 lbs, he looks to be small and he could go up as high as 147 lbs., but let's not get ahead of our selves for Ryan.

First he really need to win this one and so his name will be in the ranking. And with that, and with Ryan's popularity, he can make a fight and go for the belt for either or anyone that has the current belt. Going to be a win-win for them as the money that Ryan can bring in the table is potentially huge.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: inthelongrun on November 24, 2023, 09:12:20 AM
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First he really need to win this one and so his name will be in the ranking. And with that, and with Ryan's popularity, he can make a fight and go for the belt for either or anyone that has the current belt. Going to be a win-win for them as the money that Ryan can bring in the table is potentially huge.

These sanctioning bodies are pretty sure happy if Garcia wins and provides him a high ranking right away even if his opponent is a 135 fighter. The most corrupt ones, the WBA and WBC might even make Ryan mandatory to their champions. The champions will be happy as well to give all these popular fighters title shots since the money will be big. But the real question is, are these popular fighters ready to fight for the titles or they're just hyping themselves to their fans to buy their fights? Tank Davis for example has already campaigned at 135 for years yet until now he seems scared to face the champions. Can't blame him though since he is earning well. And against the current champions who are very technical fighters, Shakur and Haney, he might hit nothing but air and then get schooled in boring 12-round fights.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: bisdak40 on November 24, 2023, 10:27:20 AM
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First he really need to win this one and so his name will be in the ranking. And with that, and with Ryan's popularity, he can make a fight and go for the belt for either or anyone that has the current belt. Going to be a win-win for them as the money that Ryan can bring in the table is potentially huge.

These sanctioning bodies are pretty sure happy if Garcia wins and provides him a high ranking right away even if his opponent is a 135 fighter. The most corrupt ones, the WBA and WBC might even make Ryan mandatory to their champions. The champions will be happy as well to give all these popular fighters title shots since the money will be big. But the real question is, are these popular fighters ready to fight for the titles or they're just hyping themselves to their fans to buy their fights? Tank Davis for example has already campaigned at 135 for years yet until now he seems scared to face the champions. Can't blame him though since he is earning well. And against the current champions who are very technical fighters, Shakur and Haney, he might hit nothing but air and then get schooled in boring 12-round fights.

You've got a point there bro, those sanctioning bodies are more than willing to put Garcia as their mandatory if ever he won. But i don't think that Garcia will have an easy task dethroning those champions as he has not proven anything yet, might be that they will fight Garcia just for the money as the latter have more fans in social media than any boxers in the 140 lbs division.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: Jating on November 24, 2023, 08:35:48 PM
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First he really need to win this one and so his name will be in the ranking. And with that, and with Ryan's popularity, he can make a fight and go for the belt for either or anyone that has the current belt. Going to be a win-win for them as the money that Ryan can bring in the table is potentially huge.

These sanctioning bodies are pretty sure happy if Garcia wins and provides him a high ranking right away even if his opponent is a 135 fighter. The most corrupt ones, the WBA and WBC might even make Ryan mandatory to their champions. The champions will be happy as well to give all these popular fighters title shots since the money will be big. But the real question is, are these popular fighters ready to fight for the titles or they're just hyping themselves to their fans to buy their fights? Tank Davis for example has already campaigned at 135 for years yet until now he seems scared to face the champions. Can't blame him though since he is earning well. And against the current champions who are very technical fighters, Shakur and Haney, he might hit nothing but air and then get schooled in boring 12-round fights.

Yeah, I think Tank Davis is one classic example in the 4 belt era, all hype but what he got? None, just a paper belt if I'm not mistaken. Haney on the other hand beat Kambosos and then unify it. Although as fans, Haney is a bit boring to us, but in terms of accomplishment, he has done so many at his young age.

Only if Ryan has that mentality though, he has the charisma and the charm and all of that. But he lacks the biggest factor of them all, his mentality. And true enough, Canelo and Reynoso has said this about Ryan and it just coming into the picture now that the problem is not their camp or Ryan saying that Reynoso doesn't have the time for him, but his attitude, it seems that he doesn't want to full 9 yards to become a champion.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: btc_angela on November 24, 2023, 09:15:20 PM
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First he really need to win this one and so his name will be in the ranking. And with that, and with Ryan's popularity, he can make a fight and go for the belt for either or anyone that has the current belt. Going to be a win-win for them as the money that Ryan can bring in the table is potentially huge.

These sanctioning bodies are pretty sure happy if Garcia wins and provides him a high ranking right away even if his opponent is a 135 fighter. The most corrupt ones, the WBA and WBC might even make Ryan mandatory to their champions. The champions will be happy as well to give all these popular fighters title shots since the money will be big. But the real question is, are these popular fighters ready to fight for the titles or they're just hyping themselves to their fans to buy their fights? Tank Davis for example has already campaigned at 135 for years yet until now he seems scared to face the champions. Can't blame him though since he is earning well. And against the current champions who are very technical fighters, Shakur and Haney, he might hit nothing but air and then get schooled in boring 12-round fights.

WBC mate, under the Sulaiman, they have been in control of this organization since the 80's if I'm not mistaken and then they started this whole new belt era by creating a lot of them, regular champion, diamond champion and others, Lol.

Definitely, when they have Manny as their champion they were very happy as Pacquiao is the cash cow then and so he was bringing a lot of money to them and to all people around. So it will make sense that if they want to continue, they will ride on the hype of the likes of Garcia or Tank Davis and maybe invent a new belt just for this guys to be on the WBC organization.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: Westinhome on November 24, 2023, 10:47:23 PM
It's less than 2 weeks already and we'll see if Ryan Garcia has improved since joining Derrick James. But still, it is hard to make this fight a basis if Ryan is ready for a title fight because Duarte is only a 135-fighter. Sometimes it is sad when Ryan complains as to how Davis made him drop in weight and not fight his confident weight. But here he is exploiting a 135 fighter to move up in weight. So this time, I am hoping the underdog to score an upset. Ryan has already been dropped after getting hit in the chin and was stopped by a body shot so somehow Duarte has a clue on how things should be done. But it won't be easy since Ryan is fighting in his comfortable weight so he will definitely come out strong and Duarte might appear slower and needs to acclimatize due to the added weight which he is not used to.

Ryan was the good boxer compared with Oscar from their past game history.But we can't sure the history will be repeated again,So we may have a match to the Oscar.But the skilled person like the Ryan can't be beated with the less skills.The Oscar should check the previous game of the Ryan and do improve of the skills basd on the previous game.Even though the boxer keep increase of the new skills,the weakness will survive for the longer period.The boxer will  increase or decrease of the weight based on the game and the title.Mostly the boxer will reduce their weight to play for the title of the less weight boxer.If the boxer want to play the game of more weight compared to his weight,it's not easy for the gambler to win after increased weight.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: Japinat on November 25, 2023, 04:15:07 AM

Definitely, when they have Manny as their champion they were very happy as Pacquiao is the cash cow then and so he was bringing a lot of money to them and to all people around. So it will make sense that if they want to continue, they will ride on the hype of the likes of Garcia or Tank Davis and maybe invent a new belt just for this guys to be on the WBC organization.

Absolutely true!!!!! The increasing prominence of greed is glaringly evident. The era of captivating boxing events appears to have waned since Pacman's retirement. If only all champions were less hesitant to face each other, fans could enjoy more satisfying bouts.

The current issue lies in fighters being overly fixated on maintaining their undefeated records. They seem willing to take on unpopular opponents solely to pad their win streaks. This trend continues for boxers who are good at cherry-picking opponents, hyping up fights, but failed to deliver an entertaining performances. Regrettably, if this trend persists, I'm concerned that boxing as a whole may slowly lose its appeal, with fans reluctant to be disappointed every time they tune in for a match.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: Yaunfitda on November 25, 2023, 04:17:25 AM
It's less than 2 weeks already and we'll see if Ryan Garcia has improved since joining Derrick James. But still, it is hard to make this fight a basis if Ryan is ready for a title fight because Duarte is only a 135-fighter. Sometimes it is sad when Ryan complains as to how Davis made him drop in weight and not fight his confident weight. But here he is exploiting a 135 fighter to move up in weight. So this time, I am hoping the underdog to score an upset. Ryan has already been dropped after getting hit in the chin and was stopped by a body shot so somehow Duarte has a clue on how things should be done. But it won't be easy since Ryan is fighting in his comfortable weight so he will definitely come out strong and Duarte might appear slower and needs to acclimatize due to the added weight which he is not used to.

Ryan was the good boxer compared with Oscar from their past game history.But we can't sure the history will be repeated again,So we may have a match to the Oscar.But the skilled person like the Ryan can't be beated with the less skills.The Oscar should check the previous game of the Ryan and do improve of the skills basd on the previous game.Even though the boxer keep increase of the new skills,the weakness will survive for the longer period.The boxer will  increase or decrease of the weight based on the game and the title.Mostly the boxer will reduce their weight to play for the title of the less weight boxer.If the boxer want to play the game of more weight compared to his weight,it's not easy for the gambler to win after increased weight.
I think what he says that Ryan Garcia went into another coaching changes, he went from Eddy Reynos->Goosen-> and now Derrick James. And so we need to look if Garcia has improved with his new trainer or not. Specially on how he throws and generate power on his signature left hook. It didn't land significant against Tank Davis though, as Tank is expecting that Ryan will throw that so once he dock, he throws a body shot.

But Duarte is not short so it will be a different strategy and different fight for Ryan Garcia. And as I have said, what new techniques did he learn from James? We can only find out the answers during the fight and see if Ryan can still fight and still a good boxer.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: Yamifoud on November 25, 2023, 04:57:12 AM
But Duarte is not short so it will be a different strategy and different fight for Ryan Garcia. And as I have said, what new techniques did he learn from James? We can only find out the answers during the fight and see if Ryan can still fight and still a good boxer.

This is a good match for Garcia, as he isn't the type of fighter who loves to throw jabs and use his height advantage; he prefers to attack. Given Duarte's record, which includes many KO wins, I find it easy to predict the boxing technique Duarte will be using in this fight. If Duarte goes all out to KO Garcia (which, by the way, would make him popular if he succeeds), then I guess Garcia's counterpunch has to be accurate to score a knockdown, or, better yet, a knockout to end the fight early.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: Kemarit on November 25, 2023, 06:14:20 AM
But Duarte is not short so it will be a different strategy and different fight for Ryan Garcia. And as I have said, what new techniques did he learn from James? We can only find out the answers during the fight and see if Ryan can still fight and still a good boxer.

This is a good match for Garcia, as he isn't the type of fighter who loves to throw jabs and use his height advantage; he prefers to attack. Given Duarte's record, which includes many KO wins, I find it easy to predict the boxing technique Duarte will be using in this fight. If Duarte goes all out to KO Garcia (which, by the way, would make him popular if he succeeds), then I guess Garcia's counterpunch has to be accurate to score a knockdown, or, better yet, a knockout to end the fight early.

And with that, maybe this is what his new trainer has been developing for him? He has a good counter puncher already with that left hook of his, but sometimes he over hits his opponent and that's why he was exposed, like in the Campbell fight and of course in the Davis fight when he over commits and then his opponent take advantage of it.

So let's see if there's such improvement in his counter punching, if Duarte chooses to go toe to toe and take that risk that to be able to get a good punch he might eat something in return and hope that he can hold on against the power of Ryan Garcia here.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: btc_angela on November 25, 2023, 08:41:33 AM

Definitely, when they have Manny as their champion they were very happy as Pacquiao is the cash cow then and so he was bringing a lot of money to them and to all people around. So it will make sense that if they want to continue, they will ride on the hype of the likes of Garcia or Tank Davis and maybe invent a new belt just for this guys to be on the WBC organization.

Absolutely true!!!!! The increasing prominence of greed is glaringly evident. The era of captivating boxing events appears to have waned since Pacman's retirement. If only all champions were less hesitant to face each other, fans could enjoy more satisfying bouts.

The current issue lies in fighters being overly fixated on maintaining their undefeated records. They seem willing to take on unpopular opponents solely to pad their win streaks. This trend continues for boxers who are good at cherry-picking opponents, hyping up fights, but failed to deliver an entertaining performances. Regrettably, if this trend persists, I'm concerned that boxing as a whole may slowly lose its appeal, with fans reluctant to be disappointed every time they tune in for a match.

And I think that we have seen the decline already, a lot of good fights are not making money, and again, it was Ryan vs Tank's fight that really made it to the million PPV while others have poor performance.

I do agree, they want to preserved their 0 records and not facing the best in their era or generation. But during the golden years or boxing, or at least the last time we witnessed Pacquiao doing his runs to 8 divisions and then facing the best in the lower weight with great Mexican legendaries like MAB, Erik Morales and JMM and doesn't care if he losses that fight or not.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: cryptomaniac_xxx on November 25, 2023, 10:36:21 AM
But Duarte is not short so it will be a different strategy and different fight for Ryan Garcia. And as I have said, what new techniques did he learn from James? We can only find out the answers during the fight and see if Ryan can still fight and still a good boxer.

This is a good match for Garcia, as he isn't the type of fighter who loves to throw jabs and use his height advantage; he prefers to attack. Given Duarte's record, which includes many KO wins, I find it easy to predict the boxing technique Duarte will be using in this fight. If Duarte goes all out to KO Garcia (which, by the way, would make him popular if he succeeds), then I guess Garcia's counterpunch has to be accurate to score a knockdown, or, better yet, a knockout to end the fight early.

Very difficult as to what style Duarte will used in this fight, but if we look at his records, he has a good knockout so it means he loves to get closer to his opponent and then deliver that knockout out punch. It's the question on how will Garcia adjust if this happens, will he turtle up and play defense (he is not use to do it), or go fire with fire just like what he does in the past and 99% of it, he is very successful.

The only blemish in his record is Tank Davis, but we later on know that he has to do a lot with rehydration clause. But here he is the A-side so he will be going with full of confidence specially with James as his new trainer and then there is weight draining for him and he will be full at 140 lbs.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: bisdak40 on November 25, 2023, 10:42:01 AM
Very difficult as to what style Duarte will used in this fight, but if we look at his records, he has a good knockout so it means he loves to get closer to his opponent and then deliver that knockout out punch. It's the question on how will Garcia adjust if this happens, will he turtle up and play defense (he is not use to do it), or go fire with fire just like what he does in the past and 99% of it, he is very successful.

The only blemish in his record is Tank Davis, but we later on know that he has to do a lot with rehydration clause. But here he is the A-side so he will be going with full of confidence specially with James as his new trainer and then there is weight draining for him and he will be full at 140 lbs.

I do think that Garcia will go toe to toe here if that is what Duarte will offer, i mean Garcia is the bigger fighter here in terms of weight because he has been on this division for quite some time and this is his advantage over Duarte who i think his power is still questionable on this division. Though Duarte KO ratio is impressive but the quality of opponent does matter here so again i think that Duarte will be on the defensive end of the fight while Garcia trying to showcase his talent on attacking once more to look good to his fans.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: Jating on November 25, 2023, 02:01:07 PM
Very difficult as to what style Duarte will used in this fight, but if we look at his records, he has a good knockout so it means he loves to get closer to his opponent and then deliver that knockout out punch. It's the question on how will Garcia adjust if this happens, will he turtle up and play defense (he is not use to do it), or go fire with fire just like what he does in the past and 99% of it, he is very successful.

The only blemish in his record is Tank Davis, but we later on know that he has to do a lot with rehydration clause. But here he is the A-side so he will be going with full of confidence specially with James as his new trainer and then there is weight draining for him and he will be full at 140 lbs.

I do think that Garcia will go toe to toe here if that is what Duarte will offer, i mean Garcia is the bigger fighter here in terms of weight because he has been on this division for quite some time and this is his advantage over Duarte who i think his power is still questionable on this division. Though Duarte KO ratio is impressive but the quality of opponent does matter here so again i think that Duarte will be on the defensive end of the fight while Garcia trying to showcase his talent on attacking once more to look good to his fans.

That's also very important factor to include, the quality of opponents that they have face before, and so far it's obvious that in that category, Ryan Garcia has the advantage as he has fought some good fighters along throughout his career. For Duarte, we all haven't heard of his name until Garcia offered him this fight. So this is the first time that we will see him, so maybe he will go toe to toe to show the fans what he got.

But still though, Garcia is above as far as tools and experience goes, and he can even knockout Duarte if this fight goes on that, directly standing against each other and throwing punches. And in Garcia social media post, he shows his speed as if he was challenge by Benavidez showing his speed during his public workout as he has a fight with Andrade. But others says that he can't or won't used this is fight and it's only for public showing.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: coin-investor on November 26, 2023, 03:54:24 PM
After the Andrade - Benavidez fight that ended in the way that we expected, this Garcia-Duarte is something to watch out for we all know Garcia has an edge and he is the heavy favorite in the match, but I'd like to see what are the things that change on Garcia's fighting style, did he improve, is he more on defense, because in his last fight against Davis, he is all attack with little defense that is why Tank easily beat Garcia being a counterpuncher that he is.

Will we all see a better Garcia someone who pressures his opponent and at the same time very calculated with his moves?
Garcia still attracts a lot of boxing fans but they need to see a Garcia who can become a multi-title boxing champion, not a social media king, and this will be answered on December 2.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: YuginKadoya on November 26, 2023, 05:53:32 PM
For this fight, Oscar Duarte looks huge, and his bodybuild for sure for me isis one tough fighter to crack open, Oscar Duarte really is a lightweight, and sure Ryan Garcia is looking for a big fight for his career, and this is it he found an opportunity to start his winning streak again, but for sure because Duarte has the durability I am seeing Garcia will have a hardtime against this guy for sure while Duarter for sure got the power he can surely smash anybody and if Oscar Duarte goes the distance then Duarte will surely make a point in knocking you down for sure,

While Ryan Garcia sure has the advantage on the speed with the power I really don't know if he can easily scare Oscar Duarte with that speed sure the striking output will be on his side and sure hydration clause was the one that has got him and was defeated by Gervonta Davis, but against Duarte, for sure that punching speed of Ryan Garcia, you can say that his speed with the accuracy was very dangerous combination for sure I think I will go with Ryan Garcia in this one,



Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: Baofeng on November 26, 2023, 09:41:46 PM
For this fight, Oscar Duarte looks huge, and his bodybuild for sure for me isis one tough fighter to crack open, Oscar Duarte really is a lightweight, and sure Ryan Garcia is looking for a big fight for his career, and this is it he found an opportunity to start his winning streak again, but for sure because Duarte has the durability I am seeing Garcia will have a hardtime against this guy for sure while Duarter for sure got the power he can surely smash anybody and if Oscar Duarte goes the distance then Duarte will surely make a point in knocking you down for sure,

He is one big physical specimen and probably that is the reason why he has power, because of how he was built in the first place. But we all know that there are boxers that might have a good power, however, if that chin is going to be tested by Ryan Garcia, we will have to see how strong Duarte's chin is.

While Ryan Garcia sure has the advantage on the speed with the power I really don't know if he can easily scare Oscar Duarte with that speed sure the striking output will be on his side and sure hydration clause was the one that has got him and was defeated by Gervonta Davis, but against Duarte, for sure that punching speed of Ryan Garcia, you can say that his speed with the accuracy was very dangerous combination for sure I think I will go with Ryan Garcia in this one,

That's what I'm saying, if Garcia landed a solid punch on Duarte's chin, we will see how he will react. If he can take that power and his chin hold, then it's going to be a problem for Ryan as for sure, Oscar will want to just steamroll on him, not worrying about his power and will likely go toe to toe. But if he felt it, then he might go on his bicycle and avoid those power from Garcia.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: Kemarit on November 27, 2023, 04:33:45 AM
After the Andrade - Benavidez fight that ended in the way that we expected, this Garcia-Duarte is something to watch out for we all know Garcia has an edge and he is the heavy favorite in the match, but I'd like to see what are the things that change on Garcia's fighting style, did he improve, is he more on defense, because in his last fight against Davis, he is all attack with little defense that is why Tank easily beat Garcia being a counterpuncher that he is.

Yes, he is one under the tutelage of Derrick James, the famed coach of Spence and the Charlo brothers and he has raised a lot of world champions already, and Ryan could be the next for him. But we will have to see how Ryan Garcia is, if he is mentally prepared after that devastating lost to Gervonta Davis.

Will we all see a better Garcia someone who pressures his opponent and at the same time very calculated with his moves?

And I'm expecting more than that from Ryan. I mean he has been with 3 coaches already so he should be by now, have some knowledge from the 3 and still be improving as he is still very young.

Garcia still attracts a lot of boxing fans but they need to see a Garcia who can become a multi-title boxing champion, not a social media king, and this will be answered on December 2.

He is a total package, handsome, knows how to use his mouth, and boasted of a lot of followers from his social media account. And if I'm not mistaken, he could be the most followed boxer, or at least top 3 or top 5.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: mirakal on November 27, 2023, 05:00:53 AM
Garcia still attracts a lot of boxing fans but they need to see a Garcia who can become a multi-title boxing champion, not a social media king, and this will be answered on December 2.

He is a total package, handsome, knows how to use his mouth, and boasted of a lot of followers from his social media account. And if I'm not mistaken, he could be the most followed boxer, or at least top 3 or top 5.

You can remove the 'handsome' part, as I'm quite certain that's not the primary reason why he has numerous fans eager to watch his fights. Besides, most boxing fans are men, and the focus is on a real fighter who can dominate opponents in the ring and deliver an impressive win.

I believe the reason he has a good number of fans is his ability to generate buzz by talking a lot. He easily captures attention and gains traction in the boxing world.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: Dave1 on November 27, 2023, 05:32:41 AM
Garcia still attracts a lot of boxing fans but they need to see a Garcia who can become a multi-title boxing champion, not a social media king, and this will be answered on December 2.

He is a total package, handsome, knows how to use his mouth, and boasted of a lot of followers from his social media account. And if I'm not mistaken, he could be the most followed boxer, or at least top 3 or top 5.

You can remove the 'handsome' part, as I'm quite certain that's not the primary reason why he has numerous fans eager to watch his fights. Besides, most boxing fans are men, and the focus is on a real fighter who can dominate opponents in the ring and deliver an impressive win.

I believe the reason he has a good number of fans is his ability to generate buzz by talking a lot. He easily captures attention and gains traction in the boxing world.

He has the talent definitely and he can back him his talk, not until he faces Tank Davis and he was just over run by Tank. He has a solid career though, even before he become a pro, I think he has some buzz in his name in the amateurs and around the California area.

And when he turn pro, he was compare to Oscar, who is also like him, pretty boy and has the charisma not only to boxing fans, but also non-boxing fans specially the ladies.

But first, if he wants to continue with his fame and the money that it is going for him, he needs to get pass Duarte first in December 2.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: mirakal on November 27, 2023, 07:39:06 AM
Garcia still attracts a lot of boxing fans but they need to see a Garcia who can become a multi-title boxing champion, not a social media king, and this will be answered on December 2.

He is a total package, handsome, knows how to use his mouth, and boasted of a lot of followers from his social media account. And if I'm not mistaken, he could be the most followed boxer, or at least top 3 or top 5.

You can remove the 'handsome' part, as I'm quite certain that's not the primary reason why he has numerous fans eager to watch his fights. Besides, most boxing fans are men, and the focus is on a real fighter who can dominate opponents in the ring and deliver an impressive win.

I believe the reason he has a good number of fans is his ability to generate buzz by talking a lot. He easily captures attention and gains traction in the boxing world.

He has the talent definitely and he can back him his talk, not until he faces Tank Davis and he was just over run by Tank. He has a solid career though, even before he become a pro, I think he has some buzz in his name in the amateurs and around the California area.

And when he turn pro, he was compare to Oscar, who is also like him, pretty boy and has the charisma not only to boxing fans, but also non-boxing fans specially the ladies.

But first, if he wants to continue with his fame and the money that it is going for him, he needs to get pass Duarte first in December 2.

One loss shouldn't be the determining factor for him to quit his career. In fact, I commend him for his bravery in facing a boxer who had the potential to defeat him. Unlike other boxers who carefully select opponents to maintain a clean record, Ryan chose to take on a challenging fight against Davis. While he may have garnered some critics, he showcased courage in providing a good fight, even though he lost via KO.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: Hirose UK on November 27, 2023, 08:22:58 AM
The fight is only matter of days because in less than week they will actually meet and this is the first fight for Ryan Garcia after previously experiencing fatigue for the first time against Gervonta Davis.
In this fight, it looks like Garcia will experience some pressure because Oscar Duarte is quite tough fighter.

This is fight to save his name because after the knockout loss to Davis and of course Garcia must win this fight to stay at the peak of his career.
Moreover, this fight is also the beginning for him with the new coach, Derrick James.

Who knows what the final result will be but Oscar Duarte won't just give up and he will put up fight that will really make Garcia feel the pressure for the second time.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: Kemarit on November 27, 2023, 08:32:32 AM
Garcia still attracts a lot of boxing fans but they need to see a Garcia who can become a multi-title boxing champion, not a social media king, and this will be answered on December 2.

He is a total package, handsome, knows how to use his mouth, and boasted of a lot of followers from his social media account. And if I'm not mistaken, he could be the most followed boxer, or at least top 3 or top 5.

You can remove the 'handsome' part, as I'm quite certain that's not the primary reason why he has numerous fans eager to watch his fights. Besides, most boxing fans are men, and the focus is on a real fighter who can dominate opponents in the ring and deliver an impressive win.

I believe the reason he has a good number of fans is his ability to generate buzz by talking a lot. He easily captures attention and gains traction in the boxing world.

I'm talking about his social media presence because that factor also includes why Ryan Garcia is popular. Take for example his Twitter (X) account, https://twitter.com/RyanGarcia. It has almost 300,000 followers, do you think all of them is boxing fans? Of course, not, majority of the followers could be ladies, because of his good looks (no homo).

And again we compare him to his boss Oscar Dela Hoya, this is an old 17 year article from the Internet.

Quote
De La Hoya, for his part, can’t match Ali’s braggadocio, nor does he try. That’s not to say, however, that people don’t take notice of his looks. But where Ali gained fans by actively outshining the opposition, De La Hoya has actually lost support due to his slick appearance. Why hate a fighter for being beautiful?

https://www.popmatters.com/peterson060522-2496177344.html

So perhaps that's one reason as well why there are some hate on Ryan Garcia.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: bisdak40 on November 27, 2023, 10:38:11 AM
The fight is only matter of days because in less than week they will actually meet and this is the first fight for Ryan Garcia after previously experiencing fatigue for the first time against Gervonta Davis.
In this fight, it looks like Garcia will experience some pressure because Oscar Duarte is quite tough fighter.

This is fight to save his name because after the knockout loss to Davis and of course Garcia must win this fight to stay at the peak of his career.
Moreover, this fight is also the beginning for him with the new coach, Derrick James.

Who knows what the final result will be but Oscar Duarte won't just give up and he will put up fight that will really make Garcia feel the pressure for the second time.

The pressure to win is so much on Team Ryan Garcia considering that he is coming from a knockout loss to Tank Davis.

But we should also note that Oscar Duarte is a 135-pound fighter/boxer, meaning this would be his first fight at 140 which Ryan Garcia is comfortable at. I don't know if Duarte still has that power at 140 but definitely, this fight favors Garcia though on paper, this an interesting match but the truth to it is that for me this is still a cherry-picked opponent.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: Saisher on November 27, 2023, 11:18:59 AM


You can remove the 'handsome' part, as I'm quite certain that's not the primary reason why he has numerous fans eager to watch his fights. Besides, most boxing fans are men, and the focus is on a real fighter who can dominate opponents in the ring and deliver an impressive win.

I believe the reason he has a good number of fans is his ability to generate buzz by talking a lot. He easily captures attention and gains traction in the boxing world.

Boxing is not a beauty pageant your skill and power and your behavior are what will get you more support and fans boxing is mainly a man's sport so looks don't matter, Garcia gained a lot of fans because of his speed and skill that he showed off in his social media account and the way he fights but if he keeps losing like the way he loses against Gervonta I don't think he can maintain his followers and supporters, you will only retain your supporters if you keep on winning but once you take a lot of losses your reputation and popularity will slide.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: TravelMug on November 27, 2023, 11:22:12 AM
The fight is only matter of days because in less than week they will actually meet and this is the first fight for Ryan Garcia after previously experiencing fatigue for the first time against Gervonta Davis.
In this fight, it looks like Garcia will experience some pressure because Oscar Duarte is quite tough fighter.

This is fight to save his name because after the knockout loss to Davis and of course Garcia must win this fight to stay at the peak of his career.
Moreover, this fight is also the beginning for him with the new coach, Derrick James.

Who knows what the final result will be but Oscar Duarte won't just give up and he will put up fight that will really make Garcia feel the pressure for the second time.

The pressure to win is so much on Team Ryan Garcia considering that he is coming from a knockout loss to Tank Davis.

But we should also note that Oscar Duarte is a 135-pound fighter/boxer, meaning this would be his first fight at 140 which Ryan Garcia is comfortable at. I don't know if Duarte still has that power at 140 but definitely, this fight favors Garcia though on paper, this an interesting match but the truth to it is that for me this is still a cherry-picked opponent.

Most likely it was a good cherry pick fight for Ryan Garcia, no offense to Oscar Duarte, but as you have said, he seems to be a 135 lbs fighter and he just go up in weight and thinking that he can bring his power to this division. And with that, he was carefully hand pick by Oscar dela Hoya, so that Ryan's tools can be magnified. In paper Duarte looks very good, but perhaps they know that he can't last against the power of Ryan. And this is going to be 140 lbs, Ryan is going to be comfortable as he doesn't need to drain his body. Maybe just careful eating but not fully going into the motions of counting each calories every meal just to be able to make that weight. So all the advantage should be with Ryan Garcia and he could disposed Duarte by a knockout win.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: inthelongrun on November 27, 2023, 11:52:48 AM
Garcia still attracts a lot of boxing fans but they need to see a Garcia who can become a multi-title boxing champion, not a social media king, and this will be answered on December 2.

He is a total package, handsome, knows how to use his mouth, and boasted of a lot of followers from his social media account. And if I'm not mistaken, he could be the most followed boxer, or at least top 3 or top 5.

You can remove the 'handsome' part, as I'm quite certain that's not the primary reason why he has numerous fans eager to watch his fights. Besides, most boxing fans are men, and the focus is on a real fighter who can dominate opponents in the ring and deliver an impressive win.

I believe the reason he has a good number of fans is his ability to generate buzz by talking a lot. He easily captures attention and gains traction in the boxing world.

I'm talking about his social media presence because that factor also includes why Ryan Garcia is popular. Take for example his Twitter (X) account, https://twitter.com/RyanGarcia. It has almost 300,000 followers, do you think all of them is boxing fans? Of course, not, majority of the followers could be ladies, because of his good looks (no homo).

And again we compare him to his boss Oscar Dela Hoya, this is an old 17 year article from the Internet.

Quote
De La Hoya, for his part, can’t match Ali’s braggadocio, nor does he try. That’s not to say, however, that people don’t take notice of his looks. But where Ali gained fans by actively outshining the opposition, De La Hoya has actually lost support due to his slick appearance. Why hate a fighter for being beautiful?

https://www.popmatters.com/peterson060522-2496177344.html

So perhaps that's one reason as well why there are some hate on Ryan Garcia.

I think a lot of women are also following Ryan just like Oscar when he was still fighting. Oscar used to be cheered by a lot of women even during his weigh-ins. Although Oscar is more decorated being a gold medalist in the Olympics before becoming a 6 division world champion. But Oscar marketed Ryan just like himself who also started from humble beginnings. Both have similar storylines as both are inspired by their moms and were marketed as sweet handsome kids who have ambitions to conquer. Ryan at 20 years old purchasing his mom a brand new house and a Mercedes became a trend outside the boxing community. Ryan is also more active on Instagram with over 10 million followers and it made him financially well.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: xLays on November 27, 2023, 06:08:20 PM
Garcia still attracts a lot of boxing fans but they need to see a Garcia who can become a multi-title boxing champion, not a social media king, and this will be answered on December 2.

He is a total package, handsome, knows how to use his mouth, and boasted of a lot of followers from his social media account. And if I'm not mistaken, he could be the most followed boxer, or at least top 3 or top 5.

You can remove the 'handsome' part, as I'm quite certain that's not the primary reason why he has numerous fans eager to watch his fights. Besides, most boxing fans are men, and the focus is on a real fighter who can dominate opponents in the ring and deliver an impressive win.

I believe the reason he has a good number of fans is his ability to generate buzz by talking a lot. He easily captures attention and gains traction in the boxing world.
He's not here to win a beauty pageant, he's in the ring to deliver knockout punchlines and leave his opponents speechless! Just kidding 😂. His fans aren't just here for looks they're ready for a verbal uppercut followed by a real one! Just kidding again! Lmao.

Of course looks might be a bonus but Ryan Garcia boxing skills and charisma that truly package a punch with the fans. I'll go with King Ryan for this match.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: target on November 27, 2023, 06:25:58 PM
Garcia still attracts a lot of boxing fans but they need to see a Garcia who can become a multi-title boxing champion, not a social media king, and this will be answered on December 2.

He is a total package, handsome, knows how to use his mouth, and boasted of a lot of followers from his social media account. And if I'm not mistaken, he could be the most followed boxer, or at least top 3 or top 5.

You can remove the 'handsome' part, as I'm quite certain that's not the primary reason why he has numerous fans eager to watch his fights. Besides, most boxing fans are men, and the focus is on a real fighter who can dominate opponents in the ring and deliver an impressive win.

I believe the reason he has a good number of fans is his ability to generate buzz by talking a lot. He easily captures attention and gains traction in the boxing world.
He's not here to win a beauty pageant, he's in the ring to deliver knockout punchlines and leave his opponents speechless! Just kidding 😂. His fans aren't just here for looks they're ready for a verbal uppercut followed by a real one! Just kidding again! Lmao.

Of course looks might be a bonus but Ryan Garcia boxing skills and charisma that truly package a punch with the fans. I'll go with King Ryan for this match.

For fans expecting a Bromance lol De la Hoyaa had this charisma as well when he started boxing that's why he is called Golden Boy. And seeing Ryan was ditched by his wife, a Bromance opportunity will be likely for those with a pronoun.

Will he ever KO Duarte?  Many of the bettors will expect so and Ryan is the fave.
Garcia, Ryan 1.23
Duarte, Oscar 3.90


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: darkangel11 on November 27, 2023, 06:55:05 PM
The pressure to win is so much on Team Ryan Garcia considering that he is coming from a knockout loss to Tank Davis.

But we should also note that Oscar Duarte is a 135-pound fighter/boxer, meaning this would be his first fight at 140 which Ryan Garcia is comfortable at. I don't know if Duarte still has that power at 140 but definitely, this fight favors Garcia though on paper, this an interesting match but the truth to it is that for me this is still a cherry-picked opponent.

The pre-fight odds are reflecting exactly this, people seem to be favoring Garcia heavily, even though he has less fights to his name, but he's younger and ranked higher. They put these two against each other bacause they both have just a single loss, so on paper this looks like a good match, like they both have a lot to lose, but Duarte is going to need some mistakes from Garcia to win. If they both are in good form on the day of the fight he will be at a disadvantage and people know it, which is why bookies are paying much more if you bet on Duarte.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: Dave1 on November 27, 2023, 11:12:14 PM
Garcia still attracts a lot of boxing fans but they need to see a Garcia who can become a multi-title boxing champion, not a social media king, and this will be answered on December 2.

He is a total package, handsome, knows how to use his mouth, and boasted of a lot of followers from his social media account. And if I'm not mistaken, he could be the most followed boxer, or at least top 3 or top 5.

You can remove the 'handsome' part, as I'm quite certain that's not the primary reason why he has numerous fans eager to watch his fights. Besides, most boxing fans are men, and the focus is on a real fighter who can dominate opponents in the ring and deliver an impressive win.

I believe the reason he has a good number of fans is his ability to generate buzz by talking a lot. He easily captures attention and gains traction in the boxing world.

He has the talent definitely and he can back him his talk, not until he faces Tank Davis and he was just over run by Tank. He has a solid career though, even before he become a pro, I think he has some buzz in his name in the amateurs and around the California area.

And when he turn pro, he was compare to Oscar, who is also like him, pretty boy and has the charisma not only to boxing fans, but also non-boxing fans specially the ladies.

But first, if he wants to continue with his fame and the money that it is going for him, he needs to get pass Duarte first in December 2.

One loss shouldn't be the determining factor for him to quit his career. In fact, I commend him for his bravery in facing a boxer who had the potential to defeat him. Unlike other boxers who carefully select opponents to maintain a clean record, Ryan chose to take on a challenging fight against Davis. While he may have garnered some critics, he showcased courage in providing a good fight, even though he lost via KO.

I do agree, and I didn't say anything about a loss that could make him retire, he is still very young, if he is like in his 30's maybe he will retire for good like Hatton when he faces Pacquiao and same with Margarito.

He is young and as I have said, everyone in boxing is being motivated by money and fame, so he will definitely go and continue with his career as he knows he can make a lot of money at his prime years. Just a matter on how he is going to carve his career after that lost to Tank Davis. So if he wins against Duarte at 140 lbs, there are a lot of big names in this divisions that he can fight and get big paycheck after paycheck.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: Hirose UK on November 28, 2023, 03:28:39 AM
The fight is only matter of days because in less than week they will actually meet and this is the first fight for Ryan Garcia after previously experiencing fatigue for the first time against Gervonta Davis.
In this fight, it looks like Garcia will experience some pressure because Oscar Duarte is quite tough fighter.

This is fight to save his name because after the knockout loss to Davis and of course Garcia must win this fight to stay at the peak of his career.
Moreover, this fight is also the beginning for him with the new coach, Derrick James.

Who knows what the final result will be but Oscar Duarte won't just give up and he will put up fight that will really make Garcia feel the pressure for the second time.

The pressure to win is so much on Team Ryan Garcia considering that he is coming from a knockout loss to Tank Davis.

But we should also note that Oscar Duarte is a 135-pound fighter/boxer, meaning this would be his first fight at 140 which Ryan Garcia is comfortable at. I don't know if Duarte still has that power at 140 but definitely, this fight favors Garcia though on paper, this an interesting match but the truth to it is that for me this is still a cherry-picked opponent.
Yes, but many people also criticize that actually this fight is not worth it or is not worth it for Ryan Garcia because it will only have a bad effect on his own name in the future.
If he wins, maybe there is chance to stay at the top, but if he loses, it is very likely that he will lose the popularity at the peak of his career when he was previously an undefeated boxer.

So that what is meant by not being equal because the difference between the two is around 5 pound and from this difference, Oscar Duarte is also not an easy fighter to beat so the situation will become complicated if Garcia loses.
But this is the fight that Garcia chose and he really wants him to be able to fight Oscar Duarte in the fight after his defeat.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: stadus on November 28, 2023, 03:29:49 AM
The pressure to win is so much on Team Ryan Garcia considering that he is coming from a knockout loss to Tank Davis.

But we should also note that Oscar Duarte is a 135-pound fighter/boxer, meaning this would be his first fight at 140 which Ryan Garcia is comfortable at. I don't know if Duarte still has that power at 140 but definitely, this fight favors Garcia though on paper, this an interesting match but the truth to it is that for me this is still a cherry-picked opponent.

The pre-fight odds are reflecting exactly this, people seem to be favoring Garcia heavily, even though he has less fights to his name, but he's younger and ranked higher. They put these two against each other bacause they both have just a single loss, so on paper this looks like a good match, like they both have a lot to lose, but Duarte is going to need some mistakes from Garcia to win. If they both are in good form on the day of the fight he will be at a disadvantage and people know it, which is why bookies are paying much more if you bet on Duarte.

It's not surprising at all since Garcia is a popular boxer and became a champion before getting KO'd by Tank Davis, while Duarte has not won a championship yet, and his current division ranking is not even in the top 3. So, I can't blame people for thinking that this is just a cherry-picked fight for Garcia to increase his ranking after his loss to Davis. Regardless, I still consider this fight interesting for the reason that Duarte is a KO artist.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: bisdak40 on November 28, 2023, 10:29:33 AM
The fight is only matter of days because in less than week they will actually meet and this is the first fight for Ryan Garcia after previously experiencing fatigue for the first time against Gervonta Davis.
In this fight, it looks like Garcia will experience some pressure because Oscar Duarte is quite tough fighter.

This is fight to save his name because after the knockout loss to Davis and of course Garcia must win this fight to stay at the peak of his career.
Moreover, this fight is also the beginning for him with the new coach, Derrick James.

Who knows what the final result will be but Oscar Duarte won't just give up and he will put up fight that will really make Garcia feel the pressure for the second time.

The pressure to win is so much on Team Ryan Garcia considering that he is coming from a knockout loss to Tank Davis.

But we should also note that Oscar Duarte is a 135-pound fighter/boxer, meaning this would be his first fight at 140 which Ryan Garcia is comfortable at. I don't know if Duarte still has that power at 140 but definitely, this fight favors Garcia though on paper, this an interesting match but the truth to it is that for me this is still a cherry-picked opponent.
Yes, but many people also criticize that actually this fight is not worth it or is not worth it for Ryan Garcia because it will only have a bad effect on his own name in the future.
If he wins, maybe there is chance to stay at the top, but if he loses, it is very likely that he will lose the popularity at the peak of his career when he was previously an undefeated boxer.

So that what is meant by not being equal because the difference between the two is around 5 pound and from this difference, Oscar Duarte is also not an easy fighter to beat so the situation will become complicated if Garcia loses.
But this is the fight that Garcia chose and he really wants him to be able to fight Oscar Duarte in the fight after his defeat.

You've got a point there mate, but this is Garcia's fight and he should win it. If things go sour and it goes the full 12 rounds, for sure the judges will favor Garcia if nothing significant that somehow could sway the fight in favor of Duarte.

I've read on his social media that he will go for the Davis rematch but not sure about what weight because if that would still be held at 135-pound then the outcome would still be the same but I don't also think that Davis would go up in weight to fight him so most likely he would a rematch would not happen if Garcia won't go down in weight.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: Yaunfitda on November 28, 2023, 12:04:18 PM
The fight is only matter of days because in less than week they will actually meet and this is the first fight for Ryan Garcia after previously experiencing fatigue for the first time against Gervonta Davis.
In this fight, it looks like Garcia will experience some pressure because Oscar Duarte is quite tough fighter.

This is fight to save his name because after the knockout loss to Davis and of course Garcia must win this fight to stay at the peak of his career.
Moreover, this fight is also the beginning for him with the new coach, Derrick James.

Who knows what the final result will be but Oscar Duarte won't just give up and he will put up fight that will really make Garcia feel the pressure for the second time.

The pressure to win is so much on Team Ryan Garcia considering that he is coming from a knockout loss to Tank Davis.

But we should also note that Oscar Duarte is a 135-pound fighter/boxer, meaning this would be his first fight at 140 which Ryan Garcia is comfortable at. I don't know if Duarte still has that power at 140 but definitely, this fight favors Garcia though on paper, this an interesting match but the truth to it is that for me this is still a cherry-picked opponent.
Yes, but many people also criticize that actually this fight is not worth it or is not worth it for Ryan Garcia because it will only have a bad effect on his own name in the future.
If he wins, maybe there is chance to stay at the top, but if he loses, it is very likely that he will lose the popularity at the peak of his career when he was previously an undefeated boxer.

So that what is meant by not being equal because the difference between the two is around 5 pound and from this difference, Oscar Duarte is also not an easy fighter to beat so the situation will become complicated if Garcia loses.
But this is the fight that Garcia chose and he really wants him to be able to fight Oscar Duarte in the fight after his defeat.

You've got a point there mate, but this is Garcia's fight and he should win it. If things go sour and it goes the full 12 rounds, for sure the judges will favor Garcia if nothing significant that somehow could sway the fight in favor of Duarte.

I've read on his social media that he will go for the Davis rematch but not sure about what weight because if that would still be held at 135-pound then the outcome would still be the same but I don't also think that Davis would go up in weight to fight him so most likely he would a rematch would not happen if Garcia won't go down in weight.
He can only go for a rematch at 140 lbs,  but we ain't sure if Davis will go that weight class, he even hasn't had a real belt in 135 lbs and maybe that will be his goal, at least win one belt before he can move up to the next division. Davis is well protected the way I see it, so they are taking first that will not be a big risk for him as it's obvious that hey want to maintain that 0 L on his record.

Hopefully though, Garcia will not be obsessed of chasing that rematch. I mean if he wins here, there are a lot of fighters that he can face and still make a lot of money. Forget about that rematch, and look first for a great win at 140 lbs against Duarte.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: yazher on November 28, 2023, 01:05:43 PM

Boxing is not a beauty pageant your skill and power and your behavior are what will get you more support and fans boxing is mainly a man's sport so looks don't matter, Garcia gained a lot of fans because of his speed and skill that he showed off in his social media account and the way he fights but if he keeps losing like the way he loses against Gervonta I don't think he can maintain his followers and supporters, you will only retain your supporters if you keep on winning but once you take a lot of losses your reputation and popularity will slide.

That's right and the pressure is on this guy because he was all hyped and it was proved by Davis in their last fight now that he already got his first loss, he should strive to improve himself by not exaggerating in his videos rather he needs to show the world how skillful he is in this upcoming fight. Honestly, he cannot afford to lose this one and expect to have a blockbuster fight once again, he needs to keep winning in order to convince the fans that he deserves to be watched and supported in all of his fights.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: TravelMug on November 28, 2023, 08:28:59 PM

Boxing is not a beauty pageant your skill and power and your behavior are what will get you more support and fans boxing is mainly a man's sport so looks don't matter, Garcia gained a lot of fans because of his speed and skill that he showed off in his social media account and the way he fights but if he keeps losing like the way he loses against Gervonta I don't think he can maintain his followers and supporters, you will only retain your supporters if you keep on winning but once you take a lot of losses your reputation and popularity will slide.

That's right and the pressure is on this guy because he was all hyped and it was proved by Davis in their last fight now that he already got his first loss, he should strive to improve himself by not exaggerating in his videos rather he needs to show the world how skillful he is in this upcoming fight. Honestly, he cannot afford to lose this one and expect to have a blockbuster fight once again, he needs to keep winning in order to convince the fans that he deserves to be watched and supported in all of his fights.

I do think that Ryan Garcia still has the hype behind him, even if he get his first lost against Tank Davis. I mean Davis is one of the best on that division, we can argue that he is, besides the unified champion in Devin Haney. So there's nothing that he can do in that weight and there are many stipulations that go against him when he sign the contract. So they are slowing rebuilding his name again by fighting a good knockout artist but haven't been in 140 lbs in Oscar Duarte. It's just me though, even if he afford to lose, maybe he can salvage his career but it might take sometime again. Just like what AJ is right now, back to back loses from Usyk, and yet he is still wanted to fight and will have to go against Wilder in the future as both of them have tune up fights schedule.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: inthelongrun on November 29, 2023, 08:33:04 AM

Boxing is not a beauty pageant your skill and power and your behavior are what will get you more support and fans boxing is mainly a man's sport so looks don't matter, Garcia gained a lot of fans because of his speed and skill that he showed off in his social media account and the way he fights but if he keeps losing like the way he loses against Gervonta I don't think he can maintain his followers and supporters, you will only retain your supporters if you keep on winning but once you take a lot of losses your reputation and popularity will slide.

That's right and the pressure is on this guy because he was all hyped and it was proved by Davis in their last fight now that he already got his first loss, he should strive to improve himself by not exaggerating in his videos rather he needs to show the world how skillful he is in this upcoming fight. Honestly, he cannot afford to lose this one and expect to have a blockbuster fight once again, he needs to keep winning in order to convince the fans that he deserves to be watched and supported in all of his fights.

I do think that Ryan Garcia still has the hype behind him, even if he get his first lost against Tank Davis. I mean Davis is one of the best on that division, we can argue that he is, besides the unified champion in Devin Haney. So there's nothing that he can do in that weight and there are many stipulations that go against him when he sign the contract. So they are slowing rebuilding his name again by fighting a good knockout artist but haven't been in 140 lbs in Oscar Duarte. It's just me though, even if he afford to lose, maybe he can salvage his career but it might take sometime again. Just like what AJ is right now, back to back loses from Usyk, and yet he is still wanted to fight and will have to go against Wilder in the future as both of them have tune up fights schedule.

Well, Ryan has over 10 million followers on Instagram which made him rich even if he stops boxing. So I can't blame him for his exaggerated videos because he's got a lot of fans on social media. But I'm a hardcore boxing fan so I want him to get knocked out again. :D

I don't know if Tank Davis is one of the best in the division because he's unproven. He's been in the division for years already but he never thought about fighting for the belts except talking and hyping himself. Haney, Shakur, Loma, and even Kambosos fought for the belts and proved their place in the division. I heard Kambosos and Loma might fight for the vacant IBF belt if Haney wins over Prograis. I guess Tank can get a free belt since his paper belt can be elevated by the WBA as its real champion if Haney vacates all his belts in favor of staying at 140.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: TravelMug on November 29, 2023, 11:54:25 AM

Boxing is not a beauty pageant your skill and power and your behavior are what will get you more support and fans boxing is mainly a man's sport so looks don't matter, Garcia gained a lot of fans because of his speed and skill that he showed off in his social media account and the way he fights but if he keeps losing like the way he loses against Gervonta I don't think he can maintain his followers and supporters, you will only retain your supporters if you keep on winning but once you take a lot of losses your reputation and popularity will slide.

That's right and the pressure is on this guy because he was all hyped and it was proved by Davis in their last fight now that he already got his first loss, he should strive to improve himself by not exaggerating in his videos rather he needs to show the world how skillful he is in this upcoming fight. Honestly, he cannot afford to lose this one and expect to have a blockbuster fight once again, he needs to keep winning in order to convince the fans that he deserves to be watched and supported in all of his fights.

I do think that Ryan Garcia still has the hype behind him, even if he get his first lost against Tank Davis. I mean Davis is one of the best on that division, we can argue that he is, besides the unified champion in Devin Haney. So there's nothing that he can do in that weight and there are many stipulations that go against him when he sign the contract. So they are slowing rebuilding his name again by fighting a good knockout artist but haven't been in 140 lbs in Oscar Duarte. It's just me though, even if he afford to lose, maybe he can salvage his career but it might take sometime again. Just like what AJ is right now, back to back loses from Usyk, and yet he is still wanted to fight and will have to go against Wilder in the future as both of them have tune up fights schedule.

Well, Ryan has over 10 million followers on Instagram which made him rich even if he stops boxing. So I can't blame him for his exaggerated videos because he's got a lot of fans on social media. But I'm a hardcore boxing fan so I want him to get knocked out again. :D

I think majority here is at least a knowledgeable boxing fans, not hardcore but know their boxing. Maybe it wall started with the Manny Pacman bandwagon or they really love the sports of boxing.


I don't know if Tank Davis is one of the best in the division because he's unproven. He's been in the division for years already but he never thought about fighting for the belts except talking and hyping himself. Haney, Shakur, Loma, and even Kambosos fought for the belts and proved their place in the division. I heard Kambosos and Loma might fight for the vacant IBF belt if Haney wins over Prograis. I guess Tank can get a free belt since his paper belt can be elevated by the WBA as its real champion if Haney vacates all his belts in favor of staying at 140.

I do agree, Tank doesn't have the belt at least at 135 lbs because Haney have it. He fought Garcia for the obvious reason of the biggest paycheck that he will get and I think he will continue to do that. So we might not see him fighting the likes of Haney or Shakur yet, yeah, I also saw that news about Loma and Kambosos, and as far as we remember that is the place before, however, Loma changes everything when he goes to his native country to defend and then Kambosos losing the belt already. But still good though to see them fight, all in-house money again for TR.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: Hirose UK on November 29, 2023, 01:53:27 PM
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You've got a point there mate, but this is Garcia's fight and he should win it. If things go sour and it goes the full 12 rounds, for sure the judges will favor Garcia if nothing significant that somehow could sway the fight in favor of Duarte.

I've read on his social media that he will go for the Davis rematch but not sure about what weight because if that would still be held at 135-pound then the outcome would still be the same but I don't also think that Davis would go up in weight to fight him so most likely he would a rematch would not happen if Garcia won't go down in weight.
His name, popularity and career are greatly influenced in this fight so Garcia must really be able to survive to win no matter what, I sure his new trainer has prepared Garcia to face Duarte.
It just what the fight will be like because if Garcia can't finish with knockout victory and it ends in the 12th round then there is also chance that Duarte will win.
But let just wait, we'll really see how it goes and can see whether Garcia will be what we expect or not.

Indeed, there are rumors that Garcia could have rematch with Davis, but yes, it is also true that there are weight issues between the two that make it possible that they will never be the same.
But if there is rematch, it will be quite dangerous for Garcia because if he loses again to Davis, you can be sure that Garcia name will decline drastically.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: cryptomaniac_xxx on November 29, 2023, 08:20:49 PM
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You've got a point there mate, but this is Garcia's fight and he should win it. If things go sour and it goes the full 12 rounds, for sure the judges will favor Garcia if nothing significant that somehow could sway the fight in favor of Duarte.

I've read on his social media that he will go for the Davis rematch but not sure about what weight because if that would still be held at 135-pound then the outcome would still be the same but I don't also think that Davis would go up in weight to fight him so most likely he would a rematch would not happen if Garcia won't go down in weight.
His name, popularity and career are greatly influenced in this fight so Garcia must really be able to survive to win no matter what, I sure his new trainer has prepared Garcia to face Duarte.
It just what the fight will be like because if Garcia can't finish with knockout victory and it ends in the 12th round then there is also chance that Duarte will win.
But let just wait, we'll really see how it goes and can see whether Garcia will be what we expect or not.

Indeed, there are rumors that Garcia could have rematch with Davis, but yes, it is also true that there are weight issues between the two that make it possible that they will never be the same.
But if there is rematch, it will be quite dangerous for Garcia because if he loses again to Davis, you can be sure that Garcia name will decline drastically.

But the odds shows that Garcia is the favorite, Duarte is a long shot, a huge 4:1 underdog in this fight. So I don't see this going into full 12 rounds, and it could end in a knockout win by Ryan Garcia. Even the over and under, it's listed at 8.5 rounds.

Which means sport bookies knows that again, this fight is not going to last, the judges scorecard won't dictate who will win. And Ryan Garcia is the clear favorite and so with that, this is a comeback fight for him to show that he still be a great fighter at this new weight class and will be announcing his arrival with a great victory against Duarte.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: BChydro on November 29, 2023, 11:54:55 PM
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But the odds shows that Garcia is the favorite, Duarte is a long shot, a huge 4:1 underdog in this fight. So I don't see this going into full 12 rounds, and it could end in a knockout win by Ryan Garcia. Even the over and under, it's listed at 8.5 rounds.
Ryan Garcia is the favorite but he is coming back to this fight against Oscar Duarte after an upset loss in the last fight and the import thing is that Ryan Garcia has changed his fight camp completely after the loss and now he is with the new trainer and he was complaining about his weight cut, so it is interesting to see how he returns after the loss with a new head coach.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: TimeTeller on November 29, 2023, 11:57:43 PM
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But the odds shows that Garcia is the favorite, Duarte is a long shot, a huge 4:1 underdog in this fight. So I don't see this going into full 12 rounds, and it could end in a knockout win by Ryan Garcia. Even the over and under, it's listed at 8.5 rounds.
Ryan Garcia is the favorite but he is coming back to this fight against Oscar Duarte after an upset loss in the last fight and the import thing is that Ryan Garcia has changed his fight camp completely after the loss and now he is with the new trainer and he was complaining about his weight cut, so it is interesting to see how he returns after the loss with a new head coach.

This will be a good one to bet if you happen to believe on Duarte's boxing skills.
Your money can easily be multiplied if upset will happen on this match.
Also, we will see if there will be improvement on Garcia's side. Is he ready to face elite boxers?
Duarte on the other hand, has very good record as well. So Garcia's camp should have not taken this fight lightly.
Duarte is only 27 years old with 26-1-1 record. So not bad at all, he has the capacity to upset Garcia in my opinion.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: Kemarit on November 30, 2023, 02:08:53 AM
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But the odds shows that Garcia is the favorite, Duarte is a long shot, a huge 4:1 underdog in this fight. So I don't see this going into full 12 rounds, and it could end in a knockout win by Ryan Garcia. Even the over and under, it's listed at 8.5 rounds.
Ryan Garcia is the favorite but he is coming back to this fight against Oscar Duarte after an upset loss in the last fight and the import thing is that Ryan Garcia has changed his fight camp completely after the loss and now he is with the new trainer and he was complaining about his weight cut, so it is interesting to see how he returns after the loss with a new head coach.

This will be a good one to bet if you happen to believe on Duarte's boxing skills.
Your money can easily be multiplied if upset will happen on this match.
Also, we will see if there will be improvement on Garcia's side. Is he ready to face elite boxers?

Duarte is far from being elite, this is just a test for him. GBP pick a good fighter for Ryan. Sort of more to build his confidence back. We can only see improvements on Ryan if let's say a Teo Lopez fight or any of the top 5 boxers in this division.

Duarte on the other hand, has very good record as well. So Garcia's camp should have not taken this fight lightly.
Duarte is only 27 years old with 26-1-1 record. So not bad at all, he has the capacity to upset Garcia in my opinion.

And that is somewhat what most of the fans see, a good record, high percentage of knockout. But has he face a fighter with Ryan Garcia's caliber before? And in addition, this is Oscar's first time to go to 140 lbs, so maybe there will be questions if he can bring his power to the new weight class.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: FinneysTrueVision on November 30, 2023, 04:07:14 AM
Duarte is far from being elite, this is just a test for him. GBP pick a good fighter for Ryan. Sort of more to build his confidence back. We can only see improvements on Ryan if let's say a Teo Lopez fight or any of the top 5 boxers in this division.

Teofimo revealed that he turned down a $1.5 million offer to fight Ryan Garcia. Perhaps it was a bit of a lowball offer from Golden Boy, but I also don't think Teo is worth nearly as much as he thinks he is. The long layoff due to Covid and personal issues followed by a loss to Kambosos and a lackluster split decision win against Sandor Martin really hurt his value.

Ryan still has several options but at 140 the only champion he is capable of beating, in my opinion, is Rolly Romero. That should be his next target if he beats Duarte.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: Jating on November 30, 2023, 03:29:31 PM
Do Ryan and Bernard Hopkins has a beef?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6bytr02m4_M

Probably this is a sign that Golden Boy and Ryan Garcia are really not in terms. I don't know what is the terms between Ryan and Golden Boy, but if it seems that this could be his last fight with Oscar's promotion.

Or is this the way that they wanted to promote this fight as everyone knows that as much as Oscar Duarte looks good in paper, this is a total mismatch and so they need to create more hype in this fight?


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: Baofeng on November 30, 2023, 04:18:17 PM
^ There's another interview from Bernard wherein he said:

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“I will see how Ryan looks and then make my personal decision on whether he should fight again.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/ryan-garcia-lashes-out-golden-boy-hopkins-why-you-disrespect-your-only-superstar-fighter-right-now--179606

You can read Ryan's rant about it and decide who has a point or who is just hyping the fight.

As far as promotion goes, it is still done by Oscar, even though he is a partner of GBP, Bernard usually is in the sideline and he let Oscar do all the talking during promotions.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: coin-investor on November 30, 2023, 11:19:32 PM
^ There's another interview from Bernard wherein he said:

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“I will see how Ryan looks and then make my personal decision on whether he should fight again.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/ryan-garcia-lashes-out-golden-boy-hopkins-why-you-disrespect-your-only-superstar-fighter-right-now--179606

You can read Ryan's rant about it and decide who has a point or who is just hyping the fight.

As far as promotion goes, it is still done by Oscar, even though he is a partner of GBP, Bernard usually is in the sideline and he let Oscar do all the talking during promotions.
Well, here's a video of that

Ryan Garcia RIPS Bernard Hopkins & De La Hoya over criticism! LASHES OUT at final presser! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYrXwCUYDCY)

Check the look on Oscar Dela Hoya's face while talking about that, it's pretty obvious that the two camps are headed to split and Ryan wants out of Oscar's The Golden Boy Promotion, he cannot stand the two managers of The Golden Boy, it's just good to see that he is very motivated to get back winning and hopefully, this is the fight that will bring him back, so he can humiliate Bernard and Oscar.
Can't wait to see the fight happen and the interviews after the fight.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: Dave1 on November 30, 2023, 11:56:01 PM
^ There's another interview from Bernard wherein he said:

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“I will see how Ryan looks and then make my personal decision on whether he should fight again.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/ryan-garcia-lashes-out-golden-boy-hopkins-why-you-disrespect-your-only-superstar-fighter-right-now--179606

You can read Ryan's rant about it and decide who has a point or who is just hyping the fight.

As far as promotion goes, it is still done by Oscar, even though he is a partner of GBP, Bernard usually is in the sideline and he let Oscar do all the talking during promotions.
Well, here's a video of that

Ryan Garcia RIPS Bernard Hopkins & De La Hoya over criticism! LASHES OUT at final presser! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYrXwCUYDCY)

Check the look on Oscar Dela Hoya's face while talking about that, it's pretty obvious that the two camps are headed to split and Ryan wants out of Oscar's The Golden Boy Promotion, he cannot stand the two managers of The Golden Boy, it's just good to see that he is very motivated to get back winning and hopefully, this is the fight that will bring him back, so he can humiliate Bernard and Oscar.
Can't wait to see the fight happen and the interviews after the fight.

And this is what Oscar has to say: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ckwOoKAzuWA

I do believed that the split is imminent in the future for Ryan and GBP. There are even interviews that Ryan is now cool with his former trainer, Eddy Reynoso and Canelo Alvarez.

But I do like what Bernard says though, "boxing will call your bluff".


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: btc_angela on December 01, 2023, 11:45:07 AM
Duarte is far from being elite, this is just a test for him. GBP pick a good fighter for Ryan. Sort of more to build his confidence back. We can only see improvements on Ryan if let's say a Teo Lopez fight or any of the top 5 boxers in this division.

Teofimo revealed that he turned down a $1.5 million offer to fight Ryan Garcia. Perhaps it was a bit of a lowball offer from Golden Boy, but I also don't think Teo is worth nearly as much as he thinks he is. The long layoff due to Covid and personal issues followed by a loss to Kambosos and a lackluster split decision win against Sandor Martin really hurt his value.

Yeah, I think that was an obvious low ball offer from GBP. If I'm not mistaken, he is close to $5 million on that lost to Kambosos. But he was able to quickly bounce back after winning a belt against Josh Taylor at 140 lbs. And with that he is the lineal champion.

Ryan still has several options but at 140 the only champion he is capable of beating, in my opinion, is Rolly Romero. That should be his next target if he beats Duarte.

Weakest amongst the 140 lbs is Romero but the scary champion is Matias with that power and good chin. He might not be very technical but he could knockout everyone in the division, even Ryan Garcia. So I think GBP will stay away from Matias for now unless they want a biggest risk, bigger reward fight.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: coin-investor on December 01, 2023, 01:55:44 PM


But I do like what Bernard says though, "boxing will call your bluff".

Take it from someone who's been here for 28 years he knows what he's talking about, the boxing community demands so much from boxers if they want to be called elite, Bernard just wants Ryan to step up and motivate him there's a misinterpretation between the two camps.
Seriously this is very hard for Ryan, as a boxer you don't want to step into the ring with issues within your camp, your camp should have 100% support for you so you can perform at your best.
I'm now very curious about how things will unfold but one thing is clear the wounds are so deep that I don't think they can be patched, Ryan needs a new promotion and it's going to be a big disaster if Ryan gets upset by Duarte.
Let's see if Ryan can fight or perform under pressure, he badly needs this win if he wants to continue his trail to his legacy, that has been halted by a loss from Gervonta.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: inthelongrun on December 01, 2023, 02:27:43 PM
Do Ryan and Bernard Hopkins has a beef?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6bytr02m4_M

Probably this is a sign that Golden Boy and Ryan Garcia are really not in terms. I don't know what is the terms between Ryan and Golden Boy, but if it seems that this could be his last fight with Oscar's promotion.

Or is this the way that they wanted to promote this fight as everyone knows that as much as Oscar Duarte looks good in paper, this is a total mismatch and so they need to create more hype in this fight?

Well, Ryan is just forced to honor his remaining contract with GBP. Earlier, Ryan tried to get out of it but GBP filed a case citing the contract is still active. It could be 1 or 2 fights under his contract. But Ryan is heading to another promotion after his contract with GBP. Oscar just remained professional but Bernard another owner of GBP said something that offended Ryan. Ryan's talkative as always so he's expected to respond. But Bernard has a point, Ryan is more like bluffing and calling champions but I doubt he is facing a champion anytime soon.

And even if Ryan wins in an impressive fashion against Duarte, it's never a good basis that he is ready for anybody at 140 since he's only facing a 135 fighter.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: aioc on December 01, 2023, 02:41:52 PM
Duarte is far from being elite, this is just a test for him. GBP pick a good fighter for Ryan. Sort of more to build his confidence back. We can only see improvements on Ryan if let's say a Teo Lopez fight or any of the top 5 boxers in this division.

Teofimo revealed that he turned down a $1.5 million offer to fight Ryan Garcia. Perhaps it was a bit of a lowball offer from Golden Boy, but I also don't think Teo is worth nearly as much as he thinks he is. The long layoff due to Covid and personal issues followed by a loss to Kambosos and a lackluster split decision win against Sandor Martin really hurt his value.

Ryan still has several options but at 140 the only champion he is capable of beating, in my opinion, is Rolly Romero. That should be his next target if he beats Duarte.

Honestly this is a foolish decision from Teofimo he should have taken the offer regardless of the price or he can negotiate so the fight could happen because this was his chance to make a comeback from those lackluster performances, Teofimo's last three fights were forgettable and he needs a big comeback fight from someone who is a big a name, and since he turned him down right away without negotiating he loses that chance.

But let's see if he will renegotiate after Garcia's fight, this is a pressure fight for Ryan but I expect him to win and from there negotiate to a much bigger name and could possibly offer Lopez a better price since Teo looks like an easy fight for Ryan.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: cabron on December 01, 2023, 02:53:14 PM
Do Ryan and Bernard Hopkins has a beef?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6bytr02m4_M

Probably this is a sign that Golden Boy and Ryan Garcia are really not in terms. I don't know what is the terms between Ryan and Golden Boy, but if it seems that this could be his last fight with Oscar's promotion.

Or is this the way that they wanted to promote this fight as everyone knows that as much as Oscar Duarte looks good in paper, this is a total mismatch and so they need to create more hype in this fight?

Well, Ryan is just forced to honor his remaining contract with GBP. Earlier, Ryan tried to get out of it but GBP filed a case citing the contract is still active. It could be 1 or 2 fights under his contract. But Ryan is heading to another promotion after his contract with GBP. Oscar just remained professional but Bernard another owner of GBP said something that offended Ryan. Ryan's talkative as always so he's expected to respond. But Bernard has a point, Ryan is more like bluffing and calling champions but I doubt he is facing a champion anytime soon.

And even if Ryan wins in an impressive fashion against Duarte, it's never a good basis that he is ready for anybody at 140 since he's only facing a 135 fighter.

Ryan is battling against the mouth that feeds him, sure the production will not make it easy for him.  And it's possible for the whole GBP gang including the judges not to give Ryan a proper scoring. Just what my gut feeling is that Ryan will have to do the extraordinary win but if they finish the whole 12 rounds, the decision might just be biased and Duarte could win by Decision.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: Hirose UK on December 01, 2023, 06:14:48 PM
His name, popularity and career are greatly influenced in this fight so Garcia must really be able to survive to win no matter what, I sure his new trainer has prepared Garcia to face Duarte.
It just what the fight will be like because if Garcia can't finish with knockout victory and it ends in the 12th round then there is also chance that Duarte will win.
But let just wait, we'll really see how it goes and can see whether Garcia will be what we expect or not.

Indeed, there are rumors that Garcia could have rematch with Davis, but yes, it is also true that there are weight issues between the two that make it possible that they will never be the same.
But if there is rematch, it will be quite dangerous for Garcia because if he loses again to Davis, you can be sure that Garcia name will decline drastically.

But the odds shows that Garcia is the favorite, Duarte is a long shot, a huge 4:1 underdog in this fight. So I don't see this going into full 12 rounds, and it could end in a knockout win by Ryan Garcia. Even the over and under, it's listed at 8.5 rounds.

Which means sport bookies knows that again, this fight is not going to last, the judges scorecard won't dictate who will win. And Ryan Garcia is the clear favorite and so with that, this is a comeback fight for him to show that he still be a great fighter at this new weight class and will be announcing his arrival with a great victory against Duarte.
Soon, in just matter of hours we will see the battle between the two knockout kings meeting and it is clear that Garcia is increasingly the favorite in this fight to win, but worthy victory is knockout.
As I said before, it could end in 12 rounds so Duarte has chance to win because he has fighting style with almost perfect punches or you could say they always go in.
For now, I actually feel doubtful about choosing one of them as favorite and indeed this is fight that is difficult to predict, especially since Duarte also looks quite confident in facing Garcia.
But if you are brave enough to take risks, Garcia can be viable option and he still has decent Odds.

Yes, that absolutely true and it's clear that anyone will make Garcia their favorite because this is very important fight and Garcia must be able to win.
The deciding factor for Garcia in the WBA super light class is this fight because if he loses then what Garcia has achieved during his career as boxer with the undisputed knockout king will be lost.
The bookie will always favor whoever has greater chance of winning, like Garcia.
But honestly, now I have doubts.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: Baofeng on December 01, 2023, 10:10:32 PM
Here is the weigh-in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd1ZvW4EztA

Ryan Garcia - 143 pounds
Oscar Duarte -142.8 pounds

Both are their heaviest, but still their body is in good shape. Awkward situation with Bernard and Oscar in their with Ryan Garcia, and yes as others have said, this is just for Ryan to honor his contract and after that, we all know the feeling that Ryan will not extend his contract with them with the recent spat that we have heard between GBP and Ryan himself.

Another not so good message thrown by Oscar is that Ryan might not be in a good mental state again with his recent statements and reactions to Bernard. Duarte after this weigh in is now 4:1 underdog.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: lionheart78 on December 01, 2023, 11:13:49 PM
Another not so good message thrown by Oscar is that Ryan might not be in a good mental state again with his recent statements and reactions to Bernard. Duarte after this weigh in is now 4:1 underdog.

I watched Duarte's highlight fights and I see his performance is quite good, I like how he keeps up his defensive stance even when throwing punches his mannerism of having his hand right back on guard after the punches may be the key for this fight to keep him going. unless Ryan Garcia timed him well and hit him on the bucket.  If I had the fund I would go with Duarte on this one, who knows, upset happens and the 4:1 odds is really tempting. 

Btw, Duarte loss is from a split decision so this guy had never been KO'ed in his career.  So we might say that the guy is tough and this toughness will be tested in this coming fight against Ryan Garcia.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: Yaunfitda on December 01, 2023, 11:33:44 PM
Another not so good message thrown by Oscar is that Ryan might not be in a good mental state again with his recent statements and reactions to Bernard. Duarte after this weigh in is now 4:1 underdog.

I watched Duarte's highlight fights and I see his performance is quite good, I like how he keeps up his defensive stance even when throwing punches his mannerism of having his hand right back on guard after the punches may be the key for this fight to keep him going. unless Ryan Garcia timed him well and hit him on the bucket.  If I had the fund I would go with Duarte on this one, who knows, upset happens and the 4:1 odds is really tempting. 

Btw, Duarte loss is from a split decision so this guy had never been KO'ed in his career.  So we might say that the guy is tough and this toughness will be tested in this coming fight against Ryan Garcia.
Yes, when I see the odds and the face-off, I want to think that Duarte might have a chance against Ryan. I mean the dude is also big, and they have almost the same height and it seems that Ryan Garcia is really pissed with GBP and so this might have to play in his mind in this fight.

But let's see, I haven't put any bet yet, as you have said it's very appealing for bettors who love to go with the undercard.

Duarte possessed a knockout power and who knows, maybe just one big punch will do it for him and put Garcia on the matt never to stand up.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: inthelongrun on December 02, 2023, 04:46:49 AM
Ryan Garcia talking about wanting to become a world champion yet here is another issue with him not making the 140 limit. Luckily this is not a title fight and he is cherry-picking a 135 fighter. Duarte looked bigger than Ryan but let's not get misled that this guy is not used to fighting in this weight. So Duarte might be slower and at the same time not used to getting hit by opponents at this weight. No wonder the odds are nearing x4 already on Duarte. I'm just hoping Duarte can take Ryan's power punches so he can go near and unleash his power punches.



Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: btc_angela on December 02, 2023, 07:46:15 AM
Ryan Garcia talking about wanting to become a world champion yet here is another issue with him not making the 140 limit. Luckily this is not a title fight and he is cherry-picking a 135 fighter. Duarte looked bigger than Ryan but let's not get misled that this guy is not used to fighting in this weight. So Duarte might be slower and at the same time not used to getting hit by opponents at this weight. No wonder the odds are nearing x4 already on Duarte. I'm just hoping Duarte can take Ryan's power punches so he can go near and unleash his power punches.

Yes, we will have to see both sides, Ryan's fighter carrying to 140 lbs or not or if he can take the power of Duarte. And this is Ryan supposedly first fight at 140 lbs although both are over the weight class limit. Duarte is huge no doubt about it, but we will question if he can used that power and if Ryan chin can hold with that power.

The odds though, Duarte being a huge underdog, personally, I might skip this one and probably just watch it for fun.

As for Ryan vs his boss, it's understood by now, once that contract is up, he will go and shop for other promoter, I reckon it could be just Match Room or Premier Boxing Champions of, how you call him? Al Hymen?  ;D


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: Kemarit on December 02, 2023, 09:03:59 AM
Ryan Garcia talking about wanting to become a world champion yet here is another issue with him not making the 140 limit. Luckily this is not a title fight and he is cherry-picking a 135 fighter. Duarte looked bigger than Ryan but let's not get misled that this guy is not used to fighting in this weight. So Duarte might be slower and at the same time not used to getting hit by opponents at this weight. No wonder the odds are nearing x4 already on Duarte. I'm just hoping Duarte can take Ryan's power punches so he can go near and unleash his power punches.

I'm thinking that both of this 2 fighters doesn't have the intention to make that 140 lbs weight limit. I do agree that Duarte is somewhat the bigger fighter based on their physical body as he looks more dense that Ryan Garcia.

I was surprised that the bookmakers put Duarte at 4:1 underdog against Ryan. For sure they know something after the weight-in. So obviously, this is a cherry pick for Ryan just to be comfortable at 140 lbs. But still very interesting how Ryan chin will react. As I think that Duarte will go head hunting from the very first round to really put pressure on Ryan and test if he is ready from those power bombs.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: Maslate on December 02, 2023, 10:01:00 AM

I was surprised that the bookmakers put Duarte at 4:1 underdog against Ryan. For sure they know something after the weight-in. So obviously, this is a cherry pick for Ryan just to be comfortable at 140 lbs. But still very interesting how Ryan chin will react. As I think that Duarte will go head hunting from the very first round to really put pressure on Ryan and test if he is ready from those power bombs.

That odds hasn't change from the start I guess. Well, personally I'm not surprise with the odds as Ryan Garcia is still considered as a superstar in boxing while Duarte hasn't created a name yet in boxing, maybe after he'll beat Garcia, but that would be a tough job for him, but let's see.

It's a great challenge for Garcia, proving to the fans that he's back and he is still mentally healthy after losing a big fight, so just like most of us here, I'm excited to withness this fight and I'm rooting for King Ry to win via KO.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: inthelongrun on December 02, 2023, 10:52:07 AM
Ryan Garcia talking about wanting to become a world champion yet here is another issue with him not making the 140 limit. Luckily this is not a title fight and he is cherry-picking a 135 fighter. Duarte looked bigger than Ryan but let's not get misled that this guy is not used to fighting in this weight. So Duarte might be slower and at the same time not used to getting hit by opponents at this weight. No wonder the odds are nearing x4 already on Duarte. I'm just hoping Duarte can take Ryan's power punches so he can go near and unleash his power punches.

Yes, we will have to see both sides, Ryan's fighter carrying to 140 lbs or not or if he can take the power of Duarte. And this is Ryan supposedly first fight at 140 lbs although both are over the weight class limit. Duarte is huge no doubt about it, but we will question if he can used that power and if Ryan chin can hold with that power.

The odds though, Duarte being a huge underdog, personally, I might skip this one and probably just watch it for fun.

As for Ryan vs his boss, it's understood by now, once that contract is up, he will go and shop for other promoter, I reckon it could be just Match Room or Premier Boxing Champions of, how you call him? Al Hymen?  ;D

This is supposedly Ryan's 3rd fight in the division. He moved up in weight probably after suffering his first career knockdown against Luke Campbell. So it's a valid reason for moving up in weight to make him stronger and more comfortable.

I think Duarte has real power even if he only came from 135. The only question however is if he can manage to pin Ryan and corner him in the ropes. Ryan is more comfortable in this weight so he will be faster. And it will only bring disaster on Duarte if he becomes very slow at this 143 catchweight.

Yeah, Al Hymen will try to take Ryan in the PBC umbrella. But if Ryan is all about money then I guess he'll be in Matchroom because it has the deepest budget in boxing and a chance for the WBC belt which is held by Prograis. Al Hymen however can tempt Ryan by assuring him a fight against the undeserving and weakest champion in the division, Rolly Romero. I still see Top Rank as having the best talents in the division but Ryan may not like it as it will only bring disaster to his career.

I'm thinking that both of this 2 fighters doesn't have the intention to make that 140 lbs weight limit. I do agree that Duarte is somewhat the bigger fighter based on their physical body as he looks more dense that Ryan Garcia.

I was surprised that the bookmakers put Duarte at 4:1 underdog against Ryan. For sure they know something after the weight-in. So obviously, this is a cherry pick for Ryan just to be comfortable at 140 lbs. But still very interesting how Ryan chin will react. As I think that Duarte will go head hunting from the very first round to really put pressure on Ryan and test if he is ready from those power bombs.

Yeah, I think Duarte is a little underrated with that odds here. But maybe it's the bettors' money that moved the odds. Ryan has a huge fan base so it's possible.

Although it happened at 135, it's still possible that Ryan can be dropped when hit hard in the chin and the body. So Duarte has to go to the body more often than just headhunting. But before that, Duarte has to show at least decent speed or he can corner Ryan, then use his strength and turn the fight into a brawl. Ryan is trained by James so I expect him to become more faster and will try to box in the outside.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: cryptomaniac_xxx on December 02, 2023, 01:33:29 PM

I was surprised that the bookmakers put Duarte at 4:1 underdog against Ryan. For sure they know something after the weight-in. So obviously, this is a cherry pick for Ryan just to be comfortable at 140 lbs. But still very interesting how Ryan chin will react. As I think that Duarte will go head hunting from the very first round to really put pressure on Ryan and test if he is ready from those power bombs.

That odds hasn't change from the start I guess. Well, personally I'm not surprise with the odds as Ryan Garcia is still considered as a superstar in boxing while Duarte hasn't created a name yet in boxing, maybe after he'll beat Garcia, but that would be a tough job for him, but let's see.

It's a great challenge for Garcia, proving to the fans that he's back and he is still mentally healthy after losing a big fight, so just like most of us here, I'm excited to withness this fight and I'm rooting for King Ry to win via KO.

I think the odds started 5:1 Duarte underdog, now it's 4:1. But I'm looking at the over and under rounds, I think this will be a good and 'safe' bet. I'm look at Duarte's win and although he has the power, I see some vulnerabilities and that is he is open for the left hook.

And we know that Ryan's best weapons is his left hook. So I don't think that this fight is going to distance. It will be under 8.5 in my opinion and Ryan winning by stoppage or by a brutal left hook.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: coin-investor on December 02, 2023, 01:53:20 PM


And we know that Ryan's best weapons is his left hook. So I don't think that this fight is going to distance. It will be under 8.5 in my opinion and Ryan winning by stoppage or by a brutal left hook.

Ryan lives and dies with his left hook we have seen it in all his past fights, It is just unfortunate that Gervonta does not want to open for that left hook he is fully aware that the left hook will unload anytime because that was Ryan Garcia's best weapon.

Now if Duarte did his assignment and was fully prepared to counter that left hook then we have a fight and Ryan needs to improvise or change his plan, that has been Ryan's weakness he has no alternate plan when his left hook cannot deliver he has no other course of action.

Another of Ryan's weaknesses is his poor defense, the counter can easily get in, but anyway, Duarte is not Gervonta who is a veteran of tough fights and a thinking fighter, something that cannot be said of Duarte.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: AmoreJaz on December 02, 2023, 02:21:57 PM
And we know that Ryan's best weapons is his left hook. So I don't think that this fight is going to distance. It will be under 8.5 in my opinion and Ryan winning by stoppage or by a brutal left hook.

Ryan lives and dies with his left hook we have seen it in all his past fights, It is just unfortunate that Gervonta does not want to open for that left hook he is fully aware that the left hook will unload anytime because that was Ryan Garcia's best weapon.

Now if Duarte did his assignment and was fully prepared to counter that left hook then we have a fight and Ryan needs to improvise or change his plan, that has been Ryan's weakness he has no alternate plan when his left hook cannot deliver he has no other course of action.

Another of Ryan's weaknesses is his poor defense, the counter can easily get in, but anyway, Duarte is not Gervonta who is a veteran of tough fights and a thinking fighter, something that cannot be said of Duarte.

with duarte's record, ryan should have alternative plans other than throwing his left hook because for sure duarte's camp will do their research. they won't go inside the ring without checking his past history and look for his weaknesses.
garcia's name may be more familiar over duarte but am not totally convinced about the odds given to duarte. an upset may possibly happen on this match.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: cabron on December 02, 2023, 07:56:05 PM

And we know that Ryan's best weapons is his left hook. So I don't think that this fight is going to distance. It will be under 8.5 in my opinion and Ryan winning by stoppage or by a brutal left hook.

Ryan lives and dies with his left hook we have seen it in all his past fights, It is just unfortunate that Gervonta does not want to open for that left hook he is fully aware that the left hook will unload anytime because that was Ryan Garcia's best weapon.

Now if Duarte did his assignment and was fully prepared to counter that left hook then we have a fight and Ryan needs to improvise or change his plan, that has been Ryan's weakness he has no alternate plan when his left hook cannot deliver he has no other course of action.

Another of Ryan's weaknesses is his poor defense, the counter can easily get in, but anyway, Duarte is not Gervonta who is a veteran of tough fights and a thinking fighter, something that cannot be said of Duarte.

with duarte's record, ryan should have alternative plans other than throwing his left hook because for sure duarte's camp will do their research. they won't go inside the ring without checking his past history and look for his weaknesses.
garcia's name may be more familiar over duarte but am not totally convinced about the odds given to duarte. an upset may possibly happen on this match.

Oscar said it would end in a KO, whoever it will be we yet have to see https://twitter.com/DAZNBoxing/status/1730664888219861265
Ryan in Spence training camp I think will make him better though so I think he can make it.

Ryan after the loss against Tank somehow woke up and learned GB doesn't care about their star but just cash grab out of them. But now he is also on crazier ground, his promotion disrespects him despite him being the only popular fighter in GB.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: Johnyz on December 02, 2023, 08:27:19 PM
Oscar said it would end in a KO, whoever it will be we yet have to see https://twitter.com/DAZNBoxing/status/1730664888219861265
Ryan in Spence training camp I think will make him better though so I think he can make it.

Ryan after the loss against Tank somehow woke up and learned GB doesn't care about their star but just cash grab out of them. But now he is also on crazier ground, his promotion disrespects him despite him being the only popular fighter in GB.
Ryan have to bounce back here and make his name known again in the field of boxing, his first loss was a huge shock to many but that’s ok as long as he rise and bounce back again, I’m sure he can have a good promotions again. Few more hours and we will witness this two great boxer fighting for the belt, I’m rooting for Garcia here and he should be more confident this time and be more wise in throwing punches because Duarte is not an easy opponent for sure.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: Jating on December 02, 2023, 08:34:31 PM
Oscar said it would end in a KO, whoever it will be we yet have to see https://twitter.com/DAZNBoxing/status/1730664888219861265
Ryan in Spence training camp I think will make him better though so I think he can make it.

Ryan after the loss against Tank somehow woke up and learned GB doesn't care about their star but just cash grab out of them. But now he is also on crazier ground, his promotion disrespects him despite him being the only popular fighter in GB.
Ryan have to bounce back here and make his name known again in the field of boxing, his first loss was a huge shock to many but that’s ok as long as he rise and bounce back again, I’m sure he can have a good promotions again. Few more hours and we will witness this two great boxer fighting for the belt, I’m rooting for Garcia here and he should be more confident this time and be more wise in throwing punches because Duarte is not an easy opponent for sure.

I wouldn't say that it's a huge shock to many, Ryan was the underdog that time, what's shock us is the manner on how he lost that time. His offense was not there, and there is nothing that he can do against Tank Davis. But later on we heard that the was a rehydration clause and it looks like Ryan wasn't able to rehydrate obviously.

But this time with no weight issues, he even goes above the 140 lbs here. So we shouldn't here any excuse after the fight if ever he lost that he was weight drain. Of course, I think majority of us here will be rooting for him. Maybe we are fans or just wanted to see this kid grow and become a world champion. So if he wins here, we wanted him to see against Teo Lopez or Haney.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: cabron on December 02, 2023, 08:41:57 PM
Oscar said it would end in a KO, whoever it will be we yet have to see https://twitter.com/DAZNBoxing/status/1730664888219861265
Ryan in Spence training camp I think will make him better though so I think he can make it.

Ryan after the loss against Tank somehow woke up and learned GB doesn't care about their star but just cash grab out of them. But now he is also on crazier ground, his promotion disrespects him despite him being the only popular fighter in GB.
Ryan have to bounce back here and make his name known again in the field of boxing, his first loss was a huge shock to many but that’s ok as long as he rise and bounce back again, I’m sure he can have a good promotions again. Few more hours and we will witness this two great boxer fighting for the belt, I’m rooting for Garcia here and he should be more confident this time and be more wise in throwing punches because Duarte is not an easy opponent for sure.

I wouldn't say that it's a huge shock to many, Ryan was the underdog that time, what's shock us is the manner on how he lost that time. His offense was not there, and there is nothing that he can do against Tank Davis. But later on we heard that the was a rehydration clause and it looks like Ryan wasn't able to rehydrate obviously.

But this time with no weight issues, he even goes above the 140 lbs here. So we shouldn't here any excuse after the fight if ever he lost that he was weight drain. Of course, I think majority of us here will be rooting for him. Maybe we are fans or just wanted to see this kid grow and become a world champion. So if he wins here, we wanted him to see against Teo Lopez or Haney.

He said he felt his team abandoned him that time when he was to fight with Davis. Maybe it's true but I think he should have stayed with Canelo.
Ryan by the way claimed he made $30M in Davis fight, it must be worth it but if he only wants money he could haave agreed to fight with Manny Pacquiao when De la Hoya was trying to hyped it. I think this is where the relationship started to sour.

Ryan could come up as winning against Duarte. Hoping this will not be as controversial UD.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: FinneysTrueVision on December 03, 2023, 04:34:10 AM
Ryan gets the win by KO. There was nothing too remarkable about his performance but he was able to execute his game plan effectively. Duarte was at a disadvantage because of the 143 lb catchweight. His style was very basic and Ryan had no problems landing shots. After this tuneup it seems like Rolly Romero might be next for Ryan. Both fighters are at a similar level so it should be an intriguing matchup where we will see if either of them is ready to step up to the elite level once again.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: robelneo on December 03, 2023, 04:54:51 AM
Ryan gets the win by KO. There was nothing too remarkable about his performance but he was able to execute his game plan effectively. Duarte was at a disadvantage because of the 143 lb catchweight. His style was very basic and Ryan had no problems landing shots. After this tuneup it seems like Rolly Romero might be next for Ryan. Both fighters are at a similar level so it should be an intriguing matchup where we will see if either of them is ready to step up to the elite level once again.

Duarte could have gone up but he chose to get up when the count is over, there's a lot of boos going on because Ryan is running to much I think that's the improvement in Ryan's game, a good defensive stance to run too often and not very eager to engage, a deviation from what he did against Gervonta, not a great performance but a win is still a win I guess The Golden Boy will finally get him a title shot after this win.
I'm waiting for the press conference so we'll know where Garcia is heading now after this win, in his interview in the ring he wants Rolly so lets see if he will get Rolly.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: lionheart78 on December 03, 2023, 07:05:31 AM
Ryan gets the win by KO. There was nothing too remarkable about his performance but he was able to execute his game plan effectively. Duarte was at a disadvantage because of the 143 lb catchweight. His style was very basic and Ryan had no problems landing shots. After this tuneup it seems like Rolly Romero might be next for Ryan. Both fighters are at a similar level so it should be an intriguing matchup where we will see if either of them is ready to step up to the elite level once again.

Duarte could have gone up but he chose to get up when the count is over, there's a lot of boos going on because Ryan is running to much I think that's the improvement in Ryan's game, a good defensive stance to run too often and not very eager to engage, a deviation from what he did against Gervonta, not a great performance but a win is still a win I guess The Golden Boy will finally get him a title shot after this win.
I'm waiting for the press conference so we'll know where Garcia is heading now after this win, in his interview in the ring he wants Rolly so lets see if he will get Rolly.

Yeah I watched the replay, Duarte could have continued but he chose to get up at 9 and a half sec making him late to beat the 10 counts.  It is also surprising that there are lots of angle where Duarte is at an advantage but fails to take the opportunity.

Anyway, I feel that this fight is made for Ryan to win but who knows,  that shot on the temple/near back on the top of the ear made Duarte lose his balance and eventually failed to beat the 10th count.  I hope this win will give Ryan Garcia a huge boost in his career.  I am a bit surprised on the KO though since I see Duarte defending but still Ryan's shots went through the defense and Duarte is all fine on his knee waiting for the count and eventually missed beating it. Looks like a deliberate loss though... (just my thought)


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: Slow death on December 03, 2023, 09:37:13 AM
I didn't watch the fight live but I was able to watch a replay of the entire fight, I confess that during the replay of the fight I couldn't understand how there was so much change in the final result of the fight, and that for me Duarte was doing well throughout the fight, he had more counterattack initiatives, in some cases he was even successful and in others he had to retreat because the opponent retreated to the ropes and that no longer gave Duarte space to counterattack, meanwhile Ryan Garcia really looked like he had learned He learned the lesson from his previous fight very well and he started not to make the same mistakes, he avoided getting too close to Duerte and didn't attack in the first place at the beginning of the fight.

This must be because he realized his mistake in the last fight in which he lost, so the guy started to protect his stomach well and kept running all the time to make Duerte chase him and consequently Duerte would get dizzy and tired, soon that would be enough. some strong punches to knock out Duerte, it was a very good strategy that Ryan used and this type of way of fighting can work very well against opponents who are good at knockouts and who have little resistance in fights that go until the last round, because they become more exhausted in the last rounds due to the fact that they want to end the fights early. We'll see what Ryan Garcia's next fight will be and congratulations on his victory


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: Saisher on December 03, 2023, 09:52:47 AM



Yeah I watched the replay, Duarte could have continued but he chose to get up at 9 and a half sec making him late to beat the 10 counts.  It is also surprising that there are lots of angle where Duarte is at an advantage but fails to take the opportunity.

Anyway, I feel that this fight is made for Ryan to win but who knows,  that shot on the temple/near back on the top of the ear made Duarte lose his balance and eventually failed to beat the 10th count.  I hope this win will give Ryan Garcia a huge boost in his career.  I am a bit surprised on the KO though since I see Duarte defending but still Ryan's shots went through the defense and Duarte is all fine on his knee waiting for the count and eventually missed beating it. Looks like a deliberate loss though... (just my thought)
It looks that way but I don't want to take anything away from Ryan, Duarte has a lot to gain if he upsets Garcia so I doubt its deliberate, and Duarte admit it in the interview, it's obvious he is not yet ready to take hits like that because what I've seen on many of Duarte's fight is he is always the one giving the beating but its good that Garcia takes the win, he cannot afford another loss, he is eyeing a match against Teofimo but I hope he can renegotiate against because Rolly looks an easy fight than Teofimo.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: TimeTeller on December 03, 2023, 10:40:47 AM
Yeah I watched the replay, Duarte could have continued but he chose to get up at 9 and a half sec making him late to beat the 10 counts.  It is also surprising that there are lots of angle where Duarte is at an advantage but fails to take the opportunity.

Anyway, I feel that this fight is made for Ryan to win but who knows,  that shot on the temple/near back on the top of the ear made Duarte lose his balance and eventually failed to beat the 10th count.  I hope this win will give Ryan Garcia a huge boost in his career.  I am a bit surprised on the KO though since I see Duarte defending but still Ryan's shots went through the defense and Duarte is all fine on his knee waiting for the count and eventually missed beating it. Looks like a deliberate loss though... (just my thought)
It looks that way but I don't want to take anything away from Ryan, Duarte has a lot to gain if he upsets Garcia so I doubt its deliberate, and Duarte admit it in the interview, it's obvious he is not yet ready to take hits like that because what I've seen on many of Duarte's fight is he is always the one giving the beating but its good that Garcia takes the win, he cannot afford another loss, he is eyeing a match against Teofimo but I hope he can renegotiate against because Rolly looks an easy fight than Teofimo.

That is true, another loss for Garcia may give him so much mental stress. So yes, this will be a good motivation for him to fight next.
Bookies got it right as they heavily favored Garcia on this one. But not an easy fight for Garcia.
If Duarte was really prepared for this fight, upset was on the corner, easy. However, Garcia got it this time. Lucky for him though.



Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: bisdak40 on December 03, 2023, 11:53:40 AM
Ryan gets the win by KO. There was nothing too remarkable about his performance but he was able to execute his game plan effectively. Duarte was at a disadvantage because of the 143 lb catchweight. His style was very basic and Ryan had no problems landing shots. After this tuneup it seems like Rolly Romero might be next for Ryan. Both fighters are at a similar level so it should be an intriguing matchup where we will see if either of them is ready to step up to the elite level once again.

Duarte could have gone up but he chose to get up when the count is over, there's a lot of boos going on because Ryan is running to much I think that's the improvement in Ryan's game, a good defensive stance to run too often and not very eager to engage, a deviation from what he did against Gervonta, not a great performance but a win is still a win I guess The Golden Boy will finally get him a title shot after this win.
I'm waiting for the press conference so we'll know where Garcia is heading now after this win, in his interview in the ring he wants Rolly so lets see if he will get Rolly.

I also don't understand why Duarte didn't get up on time, maybe his legs was not still there so he didn't bother to beat the referee's count.

Yeah, many people inside the arena seem to not like the new style of Ryan Garcia, for me he seems afraid on brawl type of fight, had he not connected that left hook, that booing would have continued until the 12th round.

Garcia did the job but for me that wasn't impressive, he was caught with that left hook of Duarte a couple of times, luckily it was not so lethal that he still stood despite all of that.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: Japinat on December 03, 2023, 11:58:52 AM
Ryan gets the win by KO. There was nothing too remarkable about his performance but he was able to execute his game plan effectively. Duarte was at a disadvantage because of the 143 lb catchweight. His style was very basic and Ryan had no problems landing shots. After this tuneup it seems like Rolly Romero might be next for Ryan. Both fighters are at a similar level so it should be an intriguing matchup where we will see if either of them is ready to step up to the elite level once again.

Duarte could have gone up but he chose to get up when the count is over, there's a lot of boos going on because Ryan is running to much I think that's the improvement in Ryan's game, a good defensive stance to run too often and not very eager to engage, a deviation from what he did against Gervonta, not a great performance but a win is still a win I guess The Golden Boy will finally get him a title shot after this win.
I'm waiting for the press conference so we'll know where Garcia is heading now after this win, in his interview in the ring he wants Rolly so lets see if he will get Rolly.

I also don't understand why Duarte didn't get up on time, maybe his legs was not still there so he didn't bother to beat the referee's count.

Yeah, many people inside the arena seem to not like the new style of Ryan Garcia, for me he seems afraid on brawl type of fight, had he not connected that left hook, that booing would have continued until the 12th round.

Garcia did the job but for me that wasn't impressive, he was caught with that left hook of Duarte a couple of times, luckily it was not so lethal that he still stood despite all of that.

I think that wasn't really the style of Garcia, he was probably feeling some injury on the rib that he was protecting it to be the target of Duarte. The win wasn't impressive, he failed our expectations but at least he was able to win the fight via KO. I don't know what's next for him, i think he needs more tune up fights like this and see if he can bring his old self, the one that isn't afraid to fight toe to toe, and wins via KO.

Who won here with their prediction Garcia win by KO in the 8th round, or the range for founds 7-10?


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: coin-investor on December 03, 2023, 12:55:39 PM


I also don't understand why Duarte didn't get up on time, maybe his legs were not still there so he didn't bother to beat the referee's count.
You are right I replayed that moment when he was being counted his legs were not there and when he got up his legs were shaking, there were 11 seconds to go before the bell, and in those 11 seconds left Garcia could seriously hurt him, so its right that the referee stop the fight even though he barely made it

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Yeah, many people inside the arena seem to not like the new style of Ryan Garcia, for me he seems afraid on the brawl type of fight, had he not connected that left hook, that booing would have continued until the 12th round.
Yes and if Garcia won by decision fans would not like it, because he just keeps on running and refuses to engage, not the Garcia that people used to see.
This is not surprising since he has a new trainer and his trainer has mapped out a plan for Ryan, he wants Romero next but he doesn't want the money being offered to him by The Golden Boy promotion, let's see who will Garcia fight next I like to see him get a rematch against Gervonta.



Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: stadus on December 03, 2023, 01:10:24 PM
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Yeah, many people inside the arena seem to not like the new style of Ryan Garcia, for me he seems afraid on the brawl type of fight, had he not connected that left hook, that booing would have continued until the 12th round.
Yes and if Garcia won by decision fans would not like it, because he just keeps on running and refuses to engage, not the Garcia that people used to see.
This is not surprising since he has a new trainer and his trainer has mapped out a plan for Ryan, he wants Romero next but he doesn't want the money being offered to him by The Golden Boy promotion, let's see who will Garcia fight next I like to see him get a rematch against Gervonta.

Maybe we can blame the fans for chanting the name of Duarte, that was probably the reason why Duarte got so aggressive and forgot to pay attention to his defense, disrespecting the power of Ryan Garcia. What Ryan Garcia showed was something new, I never thought he'd be so fast that Duarte could not catch him despite the latter was the one who keeps attacking.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: Distinctin on December 03, 2023, 01:16:12 PM

Garcia did the job but for me that wasn't impressive, he was caught with that left hook of Duarte a couple of times, luckily it was not so lethal that he still stood despite all of that.

Yeah, if he were to face a champion or even a fighter with a good rank, he would probably suffer another knockout. It appears that he was truly exposed, not the same guy as when he lost to Tank Davis. I wouldn't be surprised if his camp finds it challenging to secure a championship match due to his recent performance.

I guess he's done for this year; we can't expect to see him in another fight. Hopefully, next year, even in the second half, we will witness him in a championship match again. While Tank Davis is enjoying his champion status as one of the best now, Ryan Garcia is in the process of rebuilding his career, climbing the ladder once more. I now understand why boxers with undefeated records may be hesitant to risk fighting against a champion who has a real chance of beating them.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: cryptomaniac_xxx on December 03, 2023, 08:22:00 PM

I was surprised that the bookmakers put Duarte at 4:1 underdog against Ryan. For sure they know something after the weight-in. So obviously, this is a cherry pick for Ryan just to be comfortable at 140 lbs. But still very interesting how Ryan chin will react. As I think that Duarte will go head hunting from the very first round to really put pressure on Ryan and test if he is ready from those power bombs.

That odds hasn't change from the start I guess. Well, personally I'm not surprise with the odds as Ryan Garcia is still considered as a superstar in boxing while Duarte hasn't created a name yet in boxing, maybe after he'll beat Garcia, but that would be a tough job for him, but let's see.

It's a great challenge for Garcia, proving to the fans that he's back and he is still mentally healthy after losing a big fight, so just like most of us here, I'm excited to withness this fight and I'm rooting for King Ry to win via KO.

I think the odds started 5:1 Duarte underdog, now it's 4:1. But I'm looking at the over and under rounds, I think this will be a good and 'safe' bet. I'm look at Duarte's win and although he has the power, I see some vulnerabilities and that is he is open for the left hook.

And we know that Ryan's best weapons is his left hook. So I don't think that this fight is going to distance. It will be under 8.5 in my opinion and Ryan winning by stoppage or by a brutal left hook.

As I have said in my prediction, this is going to happened in this fight, under 8.5 round and Ryan by stoppage.



And I do like what Ryan did here, it seems there's some improvement when he jump trainer and move to Derrick James. We've seen movement, and not just relying to his power and his chin is more tuck although there are instance that he is almost going or showing his back against Duarte.

Not sure though his relationships with Oscar and GBP promotions. I think it has been damage already.

Teo Lopez or Rolly Romero should be next for Ryan to win a belt here.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: Kemarit on December 03, 2023, 08:26:07 PM
Ryan gets the win by KO. There was nothing too remarkable about his performance but he was able to execute his game plan effectively. Duarte was at a disadvantage because of the 143 lb catchweight. His style was very basic and Ryan had no problems landing shots. After this tuneup it seems like Rolly Romero might be next for Ryan. Both fighters are at a similar level so it should be an intriguing matchup where we will see if either of them is ready to step up to the elite level once again.

Duarte could have gone up but he chose to get up when the count is over, there's a lot of boos going on because Ryan is running to much I think that's the improvement in Ryan's game, a good defensive stance to run too often and not very eager to engage, a deviation from what he did against Gervonta, not a great performance but a win is still a win I guess The Golden Boy will finally get him a title shot after this win.
I'm waiting for the press conference so we'll know where Garcia is heading now after this win, in his interview in the ring he wants Rolly so lets see if he will get Rolly.

I also don't understand why Duarte didn't get up on time, maybe his legs was not still there so he didn't bother to beat the referee's count.

Yeah, many people inside the arena seem to not like the new style of Ryan Garcia, for me he seems afraid on brawl type of fight, had he not connected that left hook, that booing would have continued until the 12th round.

Garcia did the job but for me that wasn't impressive, he was caught with that left hook of Duarte a couple of times, luckily it was not so lethal that he still stood despite all of that.

It seems that Duarte took a dive in this fight, or maybe he was really hit so hard that he felt dizzy and cant' get up. We can see though that his legs was not there once Ryan touches him with those barrage of punches. So we must say that he still has that power, although there's a lot of loopholes on him.

He has the feet already, but ne needs more, still looks very flat footed to me. In any case, still a win for Ryan, so the hype continues for this kid and Golden Boy should get him another good fighter in his next fight to boost his confidence. Yes a Rolly Romero will be a great test for him, and I think he can beat Rolly. He just need to be smart and cover his chin and again uses more feet and movement.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: goaldigger on December 03, 2023, 08:32:42 PM
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Yeah, many people inside the arena seem to not like the new style of Ryan Garcia, for me he seems afraid on the brawl type of fight, had he not connected that left hook, that booing would have continued until the 12th round.
Yes and if Garcia won by decision fans would not like it, because he just keeps on running and refuses to engage, not the Garcia that people used to see.
This is not surprising since he has a new trainer and his trainer has mapped out a plan for Ryan, he wants Romero next but he doesn't want the money being offered to him by The Golden Boy promotion, let's see who will Garcia fight next I like to see him get a rematch against Gervonta.

Maybe we can blame the fans for chanting the name of Duarte, that was probably the reason why Duarte got so aggressive and forgot to pay attention to his defense, disrespecting the power of Ryan Garcia. What Ryan Garcia showed was something new, I never thought he'd be so fast that Duarte could not catch him despite the latter was the one who keeps attacking.
Duarte might got overwhelmed from the chants of the fans and I didn’t expect that he will lose via KO.
What Ryan did is a great statement that he is still a good boxer and lucky to those who bet with Ryan via KO. His running strategy works and loading a heavy punches landed him into a huge victory, there’s no doubt that he can still fight and I’m sure bigger fights are coming for Garcia.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: AmoreJaz on December 03, 2023, 09:08:58 PM
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Yeah, many people inside the arena seem to not like the new style of Ryan Garcia, for me he seems afraid on the brawl type of fight, had he not connected that left hook, that booing would have continued until the 12th round.
Yes and if Garcia won by decision fans would not like it, because he just keeps on running and refuses to engage, not the Garcia that people used to see.
This is not surprising since he has a new trainer and his trainer has mapped out a plan for Ryan, he wants Romero next but he doesn't want the money being offered to him by The Golden Boy promotion, let's see who will Garcia fight next I like to see him get a rematch against Gervonta.
Maybe we can blame the fans for chanting the name of Duarte, that was probably the reason why Duarte got so aggressive and forgot to pay attention to his defense, disrespecting the power of Ryan Garcia. What Ryan Garcia showed was something new, I never thought he'd be so fast that Duarte could not catch him despite the latter was the one who keeps attacking.
Duarte might got overwhelmed from the chants of the fans and I didn’t expect that he will lose via KO.
What Ryan did is a great statement that he is still a good boxer and lucky to those who bet with Ryan via KO. His running strategy works and loading a heavy punches landed him into a huge victory, there’s no doubt that he can still fight and I’m sure bigger fights are coming for Garcia.

at least his winning via KO won't raise so many doubts but if it was split decision, i guess he will be booed up until the end or up until they announced the decision. duarte on the other hand, put a good fight. if he was more careful, he can really upset garcia by the looks of it. don't know if duarte's camp would like to get their re-match. but more then likely, garcia's camp is already looking for bigger name for his next fight.
and the running strategy? hope he won't practice that more often in his upcoming fights. else, he will be the next mayweather in the making here.. ;D just thinking on the technical side and not what boxing fans want inside the ring. a toe-to-toe fight.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: Baofeng on December 03, 2023, 10:56:32 PM
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Yeah, many people inside the arena seem to not like the new style of Ryan Garcia, for me he seems afraid on the brawl type of fight, had he not connected that left hook, that booing would have continued until the 12th round.
Yes and if Garcia won by decision fans would not like it, because he just keeps on running and refuses to engage, not the Garcia that people used to see.
This is not surprising since he has a new trainer and his trainer has mapped out a plan for Ryan, he wants Romero next but he doesn't want the money being offered to him by The Golden Boy promotion, let's see who will Garcia fight next I like to see him get a rematch against Gervonta.
Maybe we can blame the fans for chanting the name of Duarte, that was probably the reason why Duarte got so aggressive and forgot to pay attention to his defense, disrespecting the power of Ryan Garcia. What Ryan Garcia showed was something new, I never thought he'd be so fast that Duarte could not catch him despite the latter was the one who keeps attacking.
Duarte might got overwhelmed from the chants of the fans and I didn’t expect that he will lose via KO.
What Ryan did is a great statement that he is still a good boxer and lucky to those who bet with Ryan via KO. His running strategy works and loading a heavy punches landed him into a huge victory, there’s no doubt that he can still fight and I’m sure bigger fights are coming for Garcia.

at least his winning via KO won't raise so many doubts but if it was split decision, i guess he will be booed up until the end or up until they announced the decision. duarte on the other hand, put a good fight. if he was more careful, he can really upset garcia by the looks of it. don't know if duarte's camp would like to get their re-match. but more then likely, garcia's camp is already looking for bigger name for his next fight.
and the running strategy? hope he won't practice that more often in his upcoming fights. else, he will be the next mayweather in the making here.. ;D just thinking on the technical side and not what boxing fans want inside the ring. a toe-to-toe fight.

There were times in the fight that fans boo them, it's because there's not much action between the boxers and then Ryan doing those roll with his chin tuck, but Duarte was able to get some shots inside, so he hasn't perfected it by maybe this new trainer teaches him that defense. And I will also says that there's some improvement at least. Ryan is not that plodding, there is some feet movement.

Yes, their next target is Rolly Romero, he is a WBA champion, however he was supposed to full fill his mandatory until he got injured. So I think if the organization wanted to set up the fight, they can by pass it as what others governing body is doing right now.

At least as they are  going to benefit, the mandatories can wait. However, still depends on the timetable for Rolly as he is injured. Let's wait for him to heal first, for sure he would like to fight Ryan and both have big mouths too, so there will be good to promote this side. And we will see who will do good numbers, Romero vs Davis (reportedly 250,000 PPV buys), or Romero vs Garcia.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: Dave1 on December 03, 2023, 11:05:53 PM
Ryan gets the win by KO. There was nothing too remarkable about his performance but he was able to execute his game plan effectively. Duarte was at a disadvantage because of the 143 lb catchweight. His style was very basic and Ryan had no problems landing shots. After this tuneup it seems like Rolly Romero might be next for Ryan. Both fighters are at a similar level so it should be an intriguing matchup where we will see if either of them is ready to step up to the elite level once again.

Duarte could have gone up but he chose to get up when the count is over, there's a lot of boos going on because Ryan is running to much I think that's the improvement in Ryan's game, a good defensive stance to run too often and not very eager to engage, a deviation from what he did against Gervonta, not a great performance but a win is still a win I guess The Golden Boy will finally get him a title shot after this win.
I'm waiting for the press conference so we'll know where Garcia is heading now after this win, in his interview in the ring he wants Rolly so lets see if he will get Rolly.

I also don't understand why Duarte didn't get up on time, maybe his legs was not still there so he didn't bother to beat the referee's count.

If you look at the replay, his legs where gone after the first or second hit that he got from Ryan. And then he goes down and take a knee. The referee was right there in front of him and counting loud and he wasn't responded when he hear the 8 count and chooses to go up at 9 wherein it was obvious that he wants to take some more time to recover.

Ryan got the W is that's what important for him. You can see that his trainer if very happy. I mean we have seen James losing his best so now he is 2 out of 4.

Garcia winning and then last week Charlo winning against Benavidez Jr.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: Japinat on December 04, 2023, 05:34:17 AM
At least as they are  going to benefit, the mandatories can wait. However, still depends on the timetable for Rolly as he is injured. Let's wait for him to heal first, for sure he would like to fight Ryan and both have big mouths too, so there will be good to promote this side. And we will see who will do good numbers, Romero vs Davis (reportedly 250,000 PPV buys), or Romero vs Garcia.

We will patiently wait for this fight, Garcia deserves to be in a championship fight again, and knowing Rolly, he has some talent and also good in selling fights, so it's expected to generate lots of PPV subs but for sure not going to surpass what Davis vs Garcia has earned in the past.

I don't know if the ranking here https://www.boxingscene.com/rankings... is already updated, but as of now, Ryan is ranked at number 4, so I like to ask, can he be a mandatory fighter to the champ if he's not on the number 1?


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: TravelMug on December 04, 2023, 10:47:11 AM
At least as they are  going to benefit, the mandatories can wait. However, still depends on the timetable for Rolly as he is injured. Let's wait for him to heal first, for sure he would like to fight Ryan and both have big mouths too, so there will be good to promote this side. And we will see who will do good numbers, Romero vs Davis (reportedly 250,000 PPV buys), or Romero vs Garcia.

We will patiently wait for this fight, Garcia deserves to be in a championship fight again, and knowing Rolly, he has some talent and also good in selling fights, so it's expected to generate lots of PPV subs but for sure not going to surpass what Davis vs Garcia has earned in the past.

I don't know if the ranking here https://www.boxingscene.com/rankings... is already updated, but as of now, Ryan is ranked at number 4, so I like to ask, can he be a mandatory fighter to the champ if he's not on the number 1?

I think they can, if the governing body (because of corruption and the huge money that it will generated), so we will see. But what about Ryan's doing the shoulder roll though? I mean it looks very bad and I see interview of Teo Lopez, mocking him with that kind of defense. Did Derrick James really taught him to roll like that? But he goes to the extreme that he is somewhat exposing his back already. But the media is 60/40 I would say, mostly favorable results for Garcia and winning by TKO and see some footwork and then the uppercut. While others thinks that he is still a diva and this fight is tailor made for him to look great and now calling champions like Rolly Romero.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: aioc on December 04, 2023, 11:07:27 AM


I don't know if the ranking here https://www.boxingscene.com/rankings... is already updated, but as of now, Ryan is ranked at number 4, so I like to ask, can he be a mandatory fighter to the champ if he's not on the number 1?

I don't think it has already been updated Matias already beats Shohjahon Ergashev but he is still in the number 3 rank while Garcia is in number 7 even though he has an impressive win, but it's not about being mandatory its more on what the boxing community wants and where will the promoters are likely to make money.
Until now whoever Garcia fought has been sold out, he is still a crowd drawer, I'm sure promoters will push Garcia to have a title fight, either with Teofimo Lopez or Rolly Romero.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: Hirose UK on December 04, 2023, 11:33:09 AM
At least as they are  going to benefit, the mandatories can wait. However, still depends on the timetable for Rolly as he is injured. Let's wait for him to heal first, for sure he would like to fight Ryan and both have big mouths too, so there will be good to promote this side. And we will see who will do good numbers, Romero vs Davis (reportedly 250,000 PPV buys), or Romero vs Garcia.

We will patiently wait for this fight, Garcia deserves to be in a championship fight again, and knowing Rolly, he has some talent and also good in selling fights, so it's expected to generate lots of PPV subs but for sure not going to surpass what Davis vs Garcia has earned in the past.

I don't know if the ranking here https://www.boxingscene.com/rankings... is already updated, but as of now, Ryan is ranked at number 4, so I like to ask, can he be a mandatory fighter to the champ if he's not on the number 1?
Oscar Duarte lost humiliatingly because he was warned several times by the referee for throwing prohibited blows and in the 5th, 6th and 7th rounds, Garcia seemed to have little difficulty facing Duarte until he seemed to run out of energy.
However, after that, Garcia was able to throw several punches and in the 8th round he threw left hook which made Duarte fall and couldn't stop the referee count and was declared knockout defeat to Garcia.
As I previously predicted, if Garcia wins it will be KO victory, but if he reaches the full round , Duarte has the chance to win on points.
With this victory, Garcia regained his name and can still be one of the best boxers in his class.

Now Ryan Garcia has the opportunity to challenge Davis again in the future to maintain what he has so far.
Garcia was previously one of the most undefeated boxers with multiple championships under his belt, but with the loss to Davis, he had the pressure weighing on him.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: yazher on December 04, 2023, 11:43:49 AM
Duarte might got overwhelmed from the chants of the fans and I didn’t expect that he will lose via KO.
What Ryan did is a great statement that he is still a good boxer and lucky to those who bet with Ryan via KO. His running strategy works and loading a heavy punches landed him into a huge victory, there’s no doubt that he can still fight and I’m sure bigger fights are coming for Garcia.

It was a great achievement and a great win to be back in the ring and now he gonna be once again a major threat in their weight division with some intense training, he could improve his stamina and won't look worn out in the 8 rounds just like he was in this fight. I wonder who would be the next boxer to challenge him because he is now fully confident that he can beat anyone as long as they have the same weight. Congratulations to Ryan Garcia and welcome back to him, it's nice to see him doing his thing again, knocking out opponents with his signature super fast punches.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: mirakal on December 04, 2023, 11:51:47 AM
It was a great achievement and a great win to be back in the ring and now he gonna be once again a major threat in their weight division with some intense training, he could improve his stamina and won't look worn out in the 8 rounds just like he was in this fight.

I don't know about that, what i know is that I'm not impressed with his performance despite winning via KO. His style was too boring, I mean when did he learn how to run? Ryan Garcia suppose to be a killer in the ring, he goes directly think of knocking out his opponent, and that against a non caliber fighter, it took him 8 rounds to KO and he wasn't even dominating, so have doubts if he ever be a champion again.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: Yaunfitda on December 04, 2023, 11:53:14 AM
Duarte might got overwhelmed from the chants of the fans and I didn’t expect that he will lose via KO.
What Ryan did is a great statement that he is still a good boxer and lucky to those who bet with Ryan via KO. His running strategy works and loading a heavy punches landed him into a huge victory, there’s no doubt that he can still fight and I’m sure bigger fights are coming for Garcia.

It was a great achievement and a great win to be back in the ring and now he gonna be once again a major threat in their weight division with some intense training, he could improve his stamina and won't look worn out in the 8 rounds just like he was in this fight. I wonder who would be the next boxer to challenge him because he is now fully confident that he can beat anyone as long as they have the same weight. Congratulations to Ryan Garcia and welcome back to him, it's nice to see him doing his thing again, knocking out opponents with his signature super fast punches.
Yes, good to see Ryan Garcia back in the limelight at the 140 lbs division. He still has that power and speed, but it looks like there are several flaws that needed to be corrected. But with a good trainer behind him, for sure we will see another improvement, like more of this footwork and movement as others have seen from him in this fight.

Not that just standing in front of his opponent and trying to exchange and trade blows. He needs to be a thinking boxing now as he is maturing and obviously he needs to be a champion here at this division to get more money and at least get a true belt. Bigger fights for him is Teofimo Lopez and the winner of Haney and Prograis. Or he if wanted a quick belt then Romero is the best option.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: Natalim on December 04, 2023, 12:29:38 PM
Not that just standing in front of his opponent and trying to exchange and trade blows. He needs to be a thinking boxing now as he is maturing and obviously he needs to be a champion here at this division to get more money and at least get a true belt. Bigger fights for him is Teofimo Lopez and the winner of Haney and Prograis. Or he if wanted a quick belt then Romero is the best option.

Big improvement as he was able to improve his defense but the same time he slowly try to join the boring boxer to watch. But anyway, a win is a win for him, actually a big comeback win and I'm sure soon enough he'll get closer to be in a championship fight.

As for Rolly, it would be entertain to see him fight Garcia, but I choose the latter to win as I believe Garcia is a more smarter fighter.

However, if he would fight the winner of (Haney vs Prograis) fight which I think Haney would win, I doubt Garcia has a chance as Haney is probably bigger and the quicker fighter, his undefeated record is pretty much convincing that he's a tough opponent to be with in the ring.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: btc_angela on December 05, 2023, 09:35:10 PM
According to Oscar Duarte, he was just caught by Ryan

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“His speed didn’t surprise me. He just caught me good on the chin,” Duarte insisted during the post-fight press conference. “I felt like I acclimated to his power but he caught me with a good shot in the end. That was it.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/duarte-ryan-garcias-speed-surprise-me-he-just-caught-me-good-on-chin--179761

Yeah and that's what we are trying to avoid, if you face a powerful puncher like Ryan, if you get caught then you don't know what will be your reactions to it. And so in his case, his chin didn't hold. We thought that Duarte has a better chin at least, but it's not and so it was over for him and still Ryan supporters are very happy for that big win he got and so silencing his detractors again.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: Baofeng on December 05, 2023, 10:34:11 PM
^^ And that's why we said that this is a tune up or cherry pick fight for Ryan Garcia as we all know that Duarte can't last full 12 rounds against him. So very good choice for Oscar, to boost Ryan Garcia's confidence with this "great win" from him. And that's what really happen here, Duarte charging as that what his style and Ryan with his improved movement is just waiting to counter him all night.

Although he admit that he did worst impression of the shoulder roll and Derrick James didn't train him to do that. It just come to him maybe from watching other boxers from James stable doing that, hehehe.

Next year will be this division will be one of the hottest I believed, specially on the outcome of the Regis Prograis vs Devin Haney fight. As we might see money fights here with Haney, Lopez and Garcia potentially.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: bisdak40 on December 06, 2023, 04:24:44 AM
^^ And that's why we said that this is a tune up or cherry pick fight for Ryan Garcia as we all know that Duarte can't last full 12 rounds against him. So very good choice for Oscar, to boost Ryan Garcia's confidence with this "great win" from him. And that's what really happen here, Duarte charging as that what his style and Ryan with his improved movement is just waiting to counter him all night.

Although he admit that he did worst impression of the shoulder roll and Derrick James didn't train him to do that. It just come to him maybe from watching other boxers from James stable doing that, hehehe.

That shoulder roll looks awkward for me but if he can improve that aspect of his defense then provably Ryan Garcia will be hard to hit as he also have that power punch to counter whenever his opponent missed. That win was really a morale booster for him, though not so impressive but a win is still a win and for me he need two or more tune-up fight before facing the big boys of this division.

Next year will be this division will be one of the hottest I believed, specially on the outcome of the Regis Prograis vs Devin Haney fight. As we might see money fights here with Haney, Lopez and Garcia potentially.

True, this division will be second to the heavyweight division as there are a lot of sellable names that could face each other. After Prograis vs Haney, and if the latter wins, who knows that Lopez vs Haney will materialize, that fight will be an acid test to Haney's career.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: TravelMug on December 06, 2023, 06:45:51 AM
^^ And that's why we said that this is a tune up or cherry pick fight for Ryan Garcia as we all know that Duarte can't last full 12 rounds against him. So very good choice for Oscar, to boost Ryan Garcia's confidence with this "great win" from him. And that's what really happen here, Duarte charging as that what his style and Ryan with his improved movement is just waiting to counter him all night.

Although he admit that he did worst impression of the shoulder roll and Derrick James didn't train him to do that. It just come to him maybe from watching other boxers from James stable doing that, hehehe.

That shoulder roll looks awkward for me but if he can improve that aspect of his defense then provably Ryan Garcia will be hard to hit as he also have that power punch to counter whenever his opponent missed. That win was really a morale booster for him, though not so impressive but a win is still a win and for me he need two or more tune-up fight before facing the big boys of this division.

Next year will be this division will be one of the hottest I believed, specially on the outcome of the Regis Prograis vs Devin Haney fight. As we might see money fights here with Haney, Lopez and Garcia potentially.

True, this division will be second to the heavyweight division as there are a lot of sellable names that could face each other. After Prograis vs Haney, and if the latter wins, who knows that Lopez vs Haney will materialize, that fight will be an acid test to Haney's career.

Don't forget Matias as well, he might be unknown for some boxing fans, but last weekend he shows that he is a tough champion in this division. And maybe he was overlook right now because of the big names that we have in the current weight class, Lopez, Romero and the winner of Prograis vs Haney. Hopefully, Matias should also be in the mix or if either of the champions wanted to test him and get his IBF belt for next year. Ryan is targeting Rolly Romero so that is a good fight as well and hopefully it could be rescheduled by GBP. And with that shoulder roll, maybe James will teach Garcia the proper way next time so that it won't be as awkward as f**k watching Ryan doing it.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: Kemarit on December 06, 2023, 11:23:16 PM
And just like the rest of us here commenting on the shoulder roll of Ryan, this is what Devin Haney has to say,

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ZTl0eqT4yJY

The title though is a bit misleading, he didn't clown Ryan Garcia, he just shares his opinion with that stance of Garcia and again, majority of us see it as horrible and it seems that Ryan is learning that defense though.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: AmoreJaz on December 06, 2023, 11:33:59 PM
^^ And that's why we said that this is a tune up or cherry pick fight for Ryan Garcia as we all know that Duarte can't last full 12 rounds against him. So very good choice for Oscar, to boost Ryan Garcia's confidence with this "great win" from him. And that's what really happen here, Duarte charging as that what his style and Ryan with his improved movement is just waiting to counter him all night.

Although he admit that he did worst impression of the shoulder roll and Derrick James didn't train him to do that. It just come to him maybe from watching other boxers from James stable doing that, hehehe.

Next year will be this division will be one of the hottest I believed, specially on the outcome of the Regis Prograis vs Devin Haney fight. As we might see money fights here with Haney, Lopez and Garcia potentially.

i don't think it was a cherry pick for garcia. because if duarte was really prepared on this fight, i honestly believe garcia would have hard time  inside the ring. i guess it was his lucky day and at least giving a boost morale to himself for his career.
now he can focus on his upcoming fights. and good thing for him as he will be heading to positive direction. because if he lost this one, he may suffer another mental breakdown. so the results of this fight will help him to dedicate himself to improving because he has bigger fights to look forward to.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: inthelongrun on December 07, 2023, 07:12:02 AM
And just like the rest of us here commenting on the shoulder roll of Ryan, this is what Devin Haney has to say,

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ZTl0eqT4yJY

The title though is a bit misleading, he didn't clown Ryan Garcia, he just shares his opinion with that stance of Garcia and again, majority of us see it as horrible and it seems that Ryan is learning that defense though.

I'm surprised Haney did not laugh or bash Ryan. But probably because he wants Ryan not to get offended so he can take him after Prograis. If Haney wins impressively over Prograis this weekend, I don't know who's next since I cannot think of any fighters in the division that are popular aside from Ryan. If I remember correctly, someone here mentioned Ryan still has a fight remaining under GBP.

Oscar also clarified he never offered Teofimo $1.8M to fight Ryan. So if Teofimo was not lying then Ryan and his team may be the ones making the laughable offer probably just to hype that they are ready for the champions.

^^ And that's why we said that this is a tune up or cherry pick fight for Ryan Garcia as we all know that Duarte can't last full 12 rounds against him. So very good choice for Oscar, to boost Ryan Garcia's confidence with this "great win" from him. And that's what really happen here, Duarte charging as that what his style and Ryan with his improved movement is just waiting to counter him all night.

Although he admit that he did worst impression of the shoulder roll and Derrick James didn't train him to do that. It just come to him maybe from watching other boxers from James stable doing that, hehehe.

Next year will be this division will be one of the hottest I believed, specially on the outcome of the Regis Prograis vs Devin Haney fight. As we might see money fights here with Haney, Lopez and Garcia potentially.

i don't think it was a cherry pick for garcia. because if duarte was really prepared on this fight, i honestly believe garcia would have hard time  inside the ring. i guess it was his lucky day and at least giving a boost morale to himself for his career.
now he can focus on his upcoming fights. and good thing for him as he will be heading to positive direction. because if he lost this one, he may suffer another mental breakdown. so the results of this fight will help him to dedicate himself to improving because he has bigger fights to look forward to.

It's an obvious cherry-pick. Otherwise, why choose someone from 135 when you're fighting at 140? And then later on changed the catchweight to 143. So that was already 2 divisions north of Duarte's usual weight.

Also, I doubt James and even Ryan himself do the awkward Phelly Shell experiment if they did not pick someone slow and will get even slower when moving up 2 divisions.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: cryptomaniac_xxx on December 07, 2023, 09:45:57 AM
^^ And that's why we said that this is a tune up or cherry pick fight for Ryan Garcia as we all know that Duarte can't last full 12 rounds against him. So very good choice for Oscar, to boost Ryan Garcia's confidence with this "great win" from him. And that's what really happen here, Duarte charging as that what his style and Ryan with his improved movement is just waiting to counter him all night.

Although he admit that he did worst impression of the shoulder roll and Derrick James didn't train him to do that. It just come to him maybe from watching other boxers from James stable doing that, hehehe.

Next year will be this division will be one of the hottest I believed, specially on the outcome of the Regis Prograis vs Devin Haney fight. As we might see money fights here with Haney, Lopez and Garcia potentially.

i don't think it was a cherry pick for garcia. because if duarte was really prepared on this fight, i honestly believe garcia would have hard time  inside the ring. i guess it was his lucky day and at least giving a boost morale to himself for his career.
now he can focus on his upcoming fights. and good thing for him as he will be heading to positive direction. because if he lost this one, he may suffer another mental breakdown. so the results of this fight will help him to dedicate himself to improving because he has bigger fights to look forward to.

For sure no boxer is not going into the ring un-prepared specially against Garcia, you can even here what he says in the pre fight that he is ready and that he will bring Garcia with a knockout. And with that there's hype on this fight as others said, in paper he really looks scary with that knockout ratio.

But Garcia is well prepared in this fight and that's why sport bookies knows what the rounds are it's over/under at 8.5 round (you can look at my previous comment).

So yeah, it's no surprised if you see Duarte's previous fight and how he will be open for Ryan's left or his power. So I disagree with that being a "lucky" win for him. It was not like a one punch that knockdown Duarte, it was a barrage of punches and Duarte's leg was not there and referee stopping it was the right decision.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: TravelMug on December 07, 2023, 10:10:20 AM
And just like the rest of us here commenting on the shoulder roll of Ryan, this is what Devin Haney has to say,

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ZTl0eqT4yJY

The title though is a bit misleading, he didn't clown Ryan Garcia, he just shares his opinion with that stance of Garcia and again, majority of us see it as horrible and it seems that Ryan is learning that defense though.

I'm surprised Haney did not laugh or bash Ryan. But probably because he wants Ryan not to get offended so he can take him after Prograis. If Haney wins impressively over Prograis this weekend, I don't know who's next since I cannot think of any fighters in the division that are popular aside from Ryan. If I remember correctly, someone here mentioned Ryan still has a fight remaining under GBP.

Oscar also clarified he never offered Teofimo $1.8M to fight Ryan. So if Teofimo was not lying then Ryan and his team may be the ones making the laughable offer probably just to hype that they are ready for the champions.

Yeah, I think it's good on his part not to attack or criticize Ryan and just see him good winning his fight against a bloated 135 lbs in Duarte. Maybe Haney's focus right now since this is what we call fight week in with Regis Prograis and the interviewer trying to put words in the mouth of Haney, but he dodge that question intelligently. I also read that as well, Dela Hoya says that it is not true, that they didn't low ball or even offer a fight to the Lopez's. Maybe this is just way for Teo and his father to be sending the signal to GBP and see what Oscar's reaction with that numbers in the line. But let's see if GBP and Ryan Garcia will continue with their partnership as there are serious strain between the camp of Ryan and Oscar and BHop.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: lionheart78 on December 08, 2023, 09:45:19 PM
For sure no boxer is not going into the ring un-prepared specially against Garcia, you can even here what he says in the pre fight that he is ready and that he will bring Garcia with a knockout. And with that there's hype on this fight as others said, in paper he really looks scary with that knockout ratio.

But the increase in weight took a toll on Duarte. From 135 lbs to 143 lbs, that is too much for a boxer IMO.

... and referee stopping it was the right decision.

It is really the right decision if the boxer is counted out  ;D or else there will be a huge controversy if the referee continues the fight after Duarte was counted 10 on his knees.  Ryan Garcia's punch is too much to take for a much lighter boxer expecially when the fight is brought to almost two divisions higher.  The situation is favorable to Ryan Garcia and I wonder why Duarte's camp agreed on this.


Title: Re: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)
Post by: bisdak40 on December 09, 2023, 03:08:16 AM
For sure no boxer is not going into the ring un-prepared specially against Garcia, you can even here what he says in the pre fight that he is ready and that he will bring Garcia with a knockout. And with that there's hype on this fight as others said, in paper he really looks scary with that knockout ratio.

But the increase in weight took a toll on Duarte. From 135 lbs to 143 lbs, that is too much for a boxer IMO.

That's the biggest advantage Ryan Garcia had on Duarte, i think it was the first time that the latter fights at that division which for me he need a tune-up fight, i mean fight boxers whose talent is south of his before taking big names in that division but it was done and that fight was for Garcia to look good on the ring and Oscar was successful of that. Definitely, his next fight would not be against Tank Davis.

Locking the thread now guys and thanks for your usual support.